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Ward
November 12th, 2012
12:09 am
There still is a chance for Span, but it’s been quiet on that? Swisher could end up in Seattle? Pagan is expected to sign with San Francisco. Bourn could sign with the Nats? Youkilis is expected to sign with Cleveland most likely.
Ward
November 12th, 2012
12:10 am
VJ -Have a good one! My fellow denizen friend……
DS1
November 12th, 2012
12:27 am
Patience Ward
It’s still early. We are probably going to see a smattering of signings and deals in the next 2-3 weeks between now and the December Winter Meetings.
I have my own ideas about what I would do if I were Frank Wren, but I am usually wrong. So it’s just easier to speculate and let the cards fall where they may.
I trust Frank Wren to make some decent moves for the Braves. Not going to lose a lot of sleep over it one way or the other though.
Sad to see David Ross go, as he was a steadying force in the clubhouse from what I could tell. But he had to go for the pay day. I understand that. I also understand that he probably wasn’t worth 3% of our team salary. If it were a 1 year deal, I would have done it with Mac’s situation. But not at 2 years.
Shoppach might be a good addition for the Braves. He hits lefties well and is a pretty good catcher. Might match up well with Mac in a modified platoon.
Ward
November 12th, 2012
12:36 am
Just followig the rumor trails….. I have an idea who the Braves won’t get.
1. Hamiliton truned down Rangers offer! Braves won’t go after him.
2. B.J. Upton turned down the same type of offer, which is out of Braves range.
3. Swisher turned down the same type offer, and Braves will probably not sign him.
That leaves Victorino, Span, and Willingham, and possible Fowler from the Rockies. If Braves don’t make a trade? That leaves Victorino, and I think he will be the one. There is still time for a trade, but the big question? Will Wren, make a trade?
DS1
November 12th, 2012
12:42 am
Ward
Wren WILL make a trade or two. No doubt. He has what other clubs want; starting pitching and prospective starting pitching.
Why the doubt? What has Frank done in the past to give you the impression that he won’t make deals (either trades or free agent signings) that are needed to help the team?
You are worrying way too much about something you have no control over. Just sit back and enjoy the discussions.
DS1
November 12th, 2012
12:45 am
There are a lot of players out there that are potentially available that we don’t even know about…………..
Ward
November 12th, 2012
12:50 am
DS1 – Do you think Wren will sign some one we never heard of, and pull some magic again? I some times wonder? It’s all good though. It’s fun to guess!
Ward
November 12th, 2012
12:55 am
DS1- Have a good one! Talk tomorrow some time! Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” It’s been good all…….
Bay Area Steve
November 12th, 2012
2:11 am
Hit A-7 v. 9,10? check
Double A-8 v 6? check
Soft doubles done whipped my ass? check
Reno’s over, work is here? check
F’
Half Empty
November 12th, 2012
3:02 am
hmm I wonder what that means
Mitchie-sand
November 12th, 2012
3:19 am
Blackjack?
abeeeewright
November 12th, 2012
7:14 am
Braves need a CF,3B/LF, backup C, some bullpen pieces, and most of a bench.
I think Wren is not yet done with this off season.
Ray
November 12th, 2012
8:02 am
I hope he is not done yet since nothing has been done.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
8:22 am
We need most of a bench…. lets add a poor hitting catcher, Janish (a no hitting infielder), Mejia (unproven, Ks a lot in the minors), and JuanFran… a guy who Ks constantly and sukks as a PH.
Need to get Reed or Hairston. A vet 1B would be nice also
Bravedan
November 12th, 2012
8:44 am
Braves need a CF,3B/LF, backup C, some bullpen pieces, and most of a bench.
I think Wren is not yet done with this off season.
You think? LOL
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
8:47 am
This is shaping up to be on awesome off-season. First we learn the useless Schafer is back. Then the “best back-up catcher in baseball” left. And all the rumors are this team is eyeing “premium players” such as Angel Pagan.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
8:55 am
OnlyBravesFan is awfully upset about the prospects of a weak hitting back up catcher coming to town. But I suppose you WOULD need someone to play those 70 or so games a year who could hit if you plan on bringing Bourjos and his (lack of a ) bat to Atlanta to play CF.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
9:03 am
But I suppose you WOULD need someone to play those 70 or so games a year who could hit if you plan on bringing Bourjos and his (lack of a ) bat to Atlanta to play CF
C’mon Lew. We all know that if you have elite defenders at all positions, you don’t need to hit. Unless it’s a pitcher, then you need a DH.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:04 am
TenPaul – But, but, but…….He did hit OK two years ago, right?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:06 am
Some free agents are franchise changers — players who alter the look of the team immediately and, more often than not, expensively. While identifying these players is easy, pursuing and signing them is not. General managers interested in top players must be prepared for an involved process that expands beyond the reach of the baseball operations department.
Take it from Dave Dombrowski, the president and GM of the Tigers. Dombrowski said he needed considerable involvement from owner Mike Ilitch to sign Prince Fielder for $214MM last offseason
“I think realistically when you start talking about those type of guys and the dollars that are invested, owners have to be involved,” Dombrowski told MLBTR. “I don’t know of a general manager or a president that has the authority to make a $200MM deal on their own … You don’t pick up the phone as a general manager and sign someone at eight years and $25MM per year and say ‘surprise.’ You don’t do those types of things.”
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
9:07 am
I do like this qual-offer business. That’s pretty slick. I am curious, how many of the FA this year would have been a Type A, or Type B under the old system, costing a comp pick.
I know Greinke would have been in that group. Probably Hunter… So that’s at least two players who would have had comps attached to them.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:08 am
No need to say surprise when you don’t do those things to begin with.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:11 am
Bourjos can hit more than you think…. good enough to start regularly. He’s a career .247 hitter as a starter. Are we gonna have .280+ guys all over the field? He plays great defense, near Bourn’s level. I’d rather him than Pagan…. Especially if we had a masher in LF who can’t defend at all. There will be a lot of balls headed to the wall.
As for the BU catcher situation… I’d prefer a hitter at that position, considering we will be without Mac, and if Janish makes the bench, we’ll have a poorer one already. If we want to add some non-hitters though, use CBet or Boscan. They’re already here. I’m not all that enthused by the bench prospects right now
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:12 am
No need to say surprise when you don’t do those things to begin with.
When you can’t, you mean. “Premium” players my foot!
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
9:15 am
He did hit OK two years ago, right?
Oh sure. I’m certain he’s still got it. Just look at the through age 25 seasons…
Through age 25 season:
__________PA___AB__BB___K__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS
Bourn.. 0658 0594 051 135 .237 .299 .313 .613
Schafer 0893 0782 091 239 .221 .305 .301 .606
Bourjos 0940 0851 053 208 .247 .301 .402 .703
Pierre. 2289 2077 140 131 .307 .357 .372 .729
Fowler. 1613 1379 192 355 .262 .355 .412 .767
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:19 am
Wow – He’s really hit .247? I had NO idea he was so good.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:20 am
Your foot is a premium player?
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:21 am
Well, compared to Bourjos, I suppose I could see it.
CB
November 12th, 2012
9:25 am
Man, am I ready for some real moves to get these old conversations off the blog. Wren usually doesn’t wait too long, thank God!
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:29 am
CB – Yeah. Then we can spend the rest of the offseason disagreeing with the move that was made, dissecting it non stop and ad nauseum and predict how the Braves will never win more than 78 games next year.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
9:29 am
We are not going to get Olt and Gentry unless we are offering them Simmons and Teheran at least.
I think Texas offered that and they turned it down, or at least Olt for Simmons. Texas doesn’t have a ton of need for Teheran, imo. More need for a frontline starter with experience and not a prospect to plug in at #5.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:30 am
RF/9 (RangeFactor/9innings)
Bourn- 2.61
Bourjos- 2.76
RF/G (RangeFactor/Games)
Bourn- 2.26
Bourjos- 2.37
And Bourjos has a higher CF avg. Rtot and Rdrs per 1200 innings (a season of play) than does Bourn. But yeah, he’s totally a scrub, not worth taking a chance on. Our defense doesn’t matter all that much in CF. I get it. Bourn was a scrub at age 25 then too….
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:33 am
Not saying that Bourjos is a better defender than Bourn yet, but he may come close. And I’m sure he can hit enough to make starting him worth it.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
9:33 am
I could see the Phillies signing B.J. Upton nice and early for five or six years, $70-90 million. That’d be an Amaro move.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:34 am
Sigh – Love that alphabet soup. But I’d really prefer someone who could actually hit.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:40 am
All right – even granting that Bourjos IS that good defensively (and if he is you have to wonder why he isn’t starting), how many runs per year would he save compared to an option like Pagan or the other available CFers?
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:44 am
I think I’d prefer paying Bourn $16 mil a year before I’d pay it to BJ Upton.
Efrim
November 12th, 2012
9:53 am
Philly needs two outfielders(CF and a corner OF), a third baseman and a RH reliever. They can probably get away with starting John Mayberry Jr. and Dom Brown in a platoon situation in a corner outfield spot. They have around $35 million to work with this offseason after the Pence trade.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
9:53 am
I’d pay it to Bourn first Lew
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
9:54 am
Save defensively? At least 20, possibly more. He has more range than BJ Upton, Pagan, or Victorino (who I wouldn’t play in CF).
Lew
November 12th, 2012
9:58 am
OnlyBraves – NO – I want you to do a definitive comparison using your hieroglyphics. I have a feeling that the number we’re dealing with is similar to the Olympics, where the difference in times between the winner of a race and the tenth person finishing is mere tenths of a second.
And then I want you to compare their offensive numbers and see how many runs more a better hitter is than the others. I bet that what you end up with is a few runs difference over the course of a 162 game season.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
9:58 am
and if he is you have to wonder why he isn’t starting
No. With Trout on that team, you know exactly why he isn’t starting. Trout can defend and hit like a Hall of Famer. A team drops off considerably if it benches Trout for Bourjos… and shortly there after the manager and GM are fired.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:01 am
And even IF the difference is 20 runs over the course of 162 games, that averages out to ONE run every eight games. I’m almost certain that the difference in offensive production and of the others would provide more than makes up for that paltry number.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:02 am
according to Fielding Bible/Bill James site Bourjos saved 12 runs in ‘10, 13 runs in ‘11 and 8 runs last season.
Pagan saved 10 runs in ‘09. 13 runs in ‘10, -8 runs in ‘11 and -6 runs in ‘12
so the difference would depend if Pagan could get back up closer to where he used to be.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
10:05 am
Pagan saved 10 runs in ‘09. 13 runs in ‘10, -8 runs in ‘11 and -6 runs in ‘12
so the difference would depend if Pagan could get back up closer to where he used to be.
Is that cumulative? I know he played LF and CF. Curious if the split is there for position.
TennesseePaul
November 12th, 2012
10:06 am
Also, as I haven’t looked at those numbers, is that “above average” or total? And if total, what is “average”?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:07 am
The Angels are letting Hunter go so they can move Trout into LF and put Bourjos back in CF… they must be stupid
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:08 am
So in other words, even IF Pagan were no better than last year, the diufferenc ebetween he and Bourjos is 14 runs defensively over 162 – one run every 11 games?
And how many more than that would the increased offense account for?
Honestly, I’m not all that impressed.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:09 am
I could see the Phillies signing B.J. Upton nice and early for five or six years, $70-90 million. That’d be an Amaro move.
@Efrim — Too bad we do not make moves like that but I’d perfer Justin over BJ.
ITs the principle behind it — our ownership is too cheap to get something good. In essence, expect mix and match low cost players for the OF this yr.
And I don;t think we will tie up Heyward and Freddie through their arb yrs and beyond like other teams do.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:13 am
The Angels are letting Hunter go so they can move Trout into LF and put Bourjos back in CF… they must be stupid
@TOBF — One of the buzzez I have heard is that since Boston is having trouble agreeing with Cody Ross, they might want to give two yrs to Hunter.
C. Ross wants a 3 yr deal and they are balking at giving it to him. So Hunter is a fit there.
I think we will go cheaper then Torri Hunter who should still command 7 or 8 mil a yr for 2 yrs even at his age. He had a good yr last yr.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:13 am
just CF 10P, they do not have any numbers other than CF since ‘10 and BBRef shows just CF last two years
could part of the reason he came down the last two seasons might be that he hasn’t gotten a rest in right or left all year like he used to ??
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:14 am
So if the Angels are going to start him in CF next year, then WTF are we even having this freaking stupid debate?
Jeff R
November 12th, 2012
10:14 am
Still think Span or Fowler for center-field duty. Willingham in left (if Wren doesn’t acquire Span).
Laird (who I now know is a free agent
) gets an offer from Wren as backup.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:14 am
My hunch is that the Angels want to keep Bourjos for themselves.
They really know his strengths, so why not finish developing him. If he is healthy he could breakout.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:16 am
And there’s a big difference in having one of your own draftees play and trading for him to fill a position that needs to be filled with a more offensively inclined player.
Jeff R
November 12th, 2012
10:16 am
There’s a lot of chatter about Bourjos on the blog. But are there any reports that the braves have the least bit of interest in him? What confirms the speculation?
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:17 am
If we do get Span or Fowler (and I like both), it will be a two yr rental before its time for them to walk away;.
Still, we still should matter for a couple more yrs unless the system bulks back up.
I don’t see us tying up anyone. We do not do that anymore.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:18 am
none that I have read Jeff, it revolves mostly around TOBF’s obsession with him
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:19 am
Good question Jeff R — I think the Bourjus stuff took off from a few posters who would like him on the team but I have not heard anything about him from other sources like mlb rumors, etc.
But hey, most trade speculation never comes to fruition anyway, so its just fan chatter.
DAP
November 12th, 2012
10:21 am
theonlybravesfan BJ Upton, Pagan, or Victorino (who I wouldn’t play in CF).
total side not from what your talking about, but victorino is probably he better centerfielder out of those 3 you just mentioned. its funny that he the one you decided to single out and say you wouldnt play him in CF.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:23 am
fruition? Is Disgusted smarter than he pretends to be, or did he stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:24 am
Bourjos 25runs defensively, 90 offensively, 115 runs 500k
Pagan -5 to -10runs defensively, 120 offensively, 110-115runs 10+mil
Victorino -5 to -10runs defensively, 110 offensively 100 to 105runs 5-7mil
BJ Upton -10 defensively, 120 offensively 110 runs 14+mil
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:24 am
Between Span and Fowler I might want Fowler cause he is a prospective FA in 2016 as opposed to 15 when its Span’s time.
That is one more yr of control.
By then we should have some prospect in the system ready to take over. (I hope we develop one anyway).
The system as far as every day players go is like that of an expansion team now — thank god for the pitchers.
Murph
November 12th, 2012
10:26 am
I gotta say I was really shocked at the news of the Ross signing. I thought he’d end his career as a Brave.
Don’t know if I’m all that excited about Gattis being the backup. I would rather he start out in AAA getting lots of playing time in LF, but he may not get that luxury being the only catcher in the organization who can actually hit.
I’ve got a bad feeling about this offseason. Seems that the guys available will either cost too much money, too many prospects, or both. I’m sure Wren has something up his sleeve, but the lack of chatter regarding the Braves is starting to make me nervous.
Jeff R
November 12th, 2012
10:26 am
Between Span and Fowler I might want Fowler cause he is a prospective FA in 2016 as opposed to 15 when its Span’s time.
That is one more yr of control.
Can we assume that Fowler would be cheaper to obtain too?
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:28 am
90 runs defensively based on what? Career numbers or the fabled 2011 season which may or may not ever be repeated.
And I repeat – IF thAngels are going to start him in CF this year then why do you think we will (or should) trade for him or that they would so willingly give him up. And yeah, he costs less in cash, but much, much more in talent that could better be utitlized in other ways.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:29 am
Excuse me – 90 runs Offensively.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:30 am
Look at DWar… Bourjos already has 4.2. Pagan is at 3.1, Vic at 4.8, Upton at -3.2
Bourjos is about 20runs above avg. defensively (I’d go higher than that), Pagan is 9, Shane is 3, BJ is 9 (yet he’s rated poorly for his defense)
Not 1 of the last 3 guys have the range that Bourjos does. NOT 1. If he can hit competently, and I’m sure he can, I’d take him out there in CF any day.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:31 am
Nolie — In 5 yrsor so, I will look smarter than I supposedly pretend to be when my long term prognosis for the Braves baseball operation starts looking like the gloom and doom I expect it to be.
Brace your self — the bad yrs are comming soon. Real soon.
Assuming ownership & the busines strucure of the game stays constant.
Enjoy the few good yrs left.
Durned that stinking TV deal we have 20 yrs left on it — and it ain’t going away. And our corporate friends in Colorado are not going away. So be it.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:33 am
And yet if the Angels plan to start him then he won’t be playing in ATlanta. Makes it all a moot point, actually.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:34 am
Jeff R — I don’t think either will be cheap — we might have to give a bit more for Fowler but the needs of both the Twins and Rox are the same — young pitching they can build a staff around.
And those teams should start by asking for Teheran and or Delgado for starters.
Might have to give up a mid range prospect or two for Fowler more than Span cause of the 1 extra yr of control.
Wren will work on it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:36 am
Based on career numbers Lew, bu even in his poorer seasons, he wasn’t all that bad. Just didn’t have enough ABs. If he’d gotten 550 ABs this year, he’d project to be near 110 runs. In 2010, he’d have been near 70.
2010- 70….2011- 90…. 2012-110
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
10:37 am
Nolie — In 5 yrsor so, I will look smarter than I supposedly pretend to be when my long term prognosis for the Braves baseball operation starts looking like the gloom and doom I expect it to be.
Brace your self — the bad yrs are comming soon. Real soon. — Disgusted
It never stops from this guy…
Awesome. And you’re a “fan” of the Braves, you say, right? Can certainly see how being a fan of the team brings you much pleasure.
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:39 am
I’ve got a bad feeling about this offseason. Seems that the guys available will either cost too much money, too many prospects, or both. I’m sure Wren has something up his sleeve, but the lack of chatter regarding the Braves is starting to make me nervous.
Murph — Your bad feelings about this off season are justified especially when you look at what they tend to do in recent off seasons.
Look at last yr — Fortunately Simmons and the pick up of Janish bailed us out of a potential disaster at short. And we had a nice bounce back yr from Heyward. Solid play from 40 yr old Chipper and some other things that went right.
Do we get lucky in 13????? We will see.
Still early.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:40 am
I’m sure they could be persuaded to trade him… they need bullpen help, maybe a starter. Maholm and Varvaro for Bourjos! I mean, we’re stealing Greinke anyways…
Hanson, EOF or JV, and Cunningham may do the trick. Would allow them to bring back fan favorite Hunter as I’m sure he’d like to be back.
Murph
November 12th, 2012
10:40 am
TOBF, are you going to still be talking about Bourjos next May? August?
I see a restraining order in your future with the way you obsess over things. I pity the first girl to break your heart.
Lew
November 12th, 2012
10:45 am
I think I’ve got it figured out here – ONlyBravesFan wants Bourjos and Greinke on his team. Maybe he should just be an Angels fan. That would pretty much get him what he wants – much moreso than his letter writing campaign to the North Pole.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:45 am
Lew started it….. I didn’t bring him up
I’ll just be pointing out how Greinke and Bourjos are doing at the All-Star Break, Sept1, and end of season compared to our guys… will be interesting, I’m sure.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 12th, 2012
10:48 am
Nope, Braves fan here… I just have some players I like in other organizations. Those 2 guys just happen to be in the same organization right now.
That would pretty much get him what he wants – much moreso than his letter writing campaign to the North Pole.
I believe in hope… it’s our country’s motto right now.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:48 am
Bourjos 25runs defensively, 90 offensively, 115 runs 500k
I already quoted Bourjos saves and it was nowhere near 25 runs
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:48 am
That is right DOB — I am a fan of this team.
But I don’t hide behind rose colored glasses — I tell it as I see it.
Wait till around 2018, or even in the 2020’s. I might be telling you “I told you so.”
nolie
November 12th, 2012
10:52 am
8 years down the road, you are kidding. The Pirates had a great decade or so and haven’t even broken even in 20 year since. Baltimore was great for years but has stunk recently, every team, even the fabled Yankees goes through spells of being bad, so of course eventually you will be right
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
10:53 am
I’ll just be pointing out how Greinke and Bourjos are doing at the All-Star Break, Sept1, and end of season compared to our guys… will be interesting, I’m sure.
Go for it TOBF — hey, given the holes on the team now we are all hoping for someone else’s players to fill in the gaps. Unless we go otr and unexpectedly sign Bourn.
If the Nats do sign Bourn I will cheer for him as an individual player — their org seems to want it more than ours do. That is fair and square. Good ownership group that gives a dam about baseball. I admire the way the Nats and Phillies do business.
Does not mean I have to be a fan of those teams though sometimes I’d like to.
abeeeewright
November 12th, 2012
10:57 am
“Disgusted, November 12th, 2012, 10:48 am … “Wait till around 2018, or even in the 2020’s. I might be telling you “I told you so.””
Actually, Braves are going to do OK through the 2020s. They’ll even win an NLCS between 2013-2020.
But, by the 2050s, the Braves are really going to go down hill. In fact, in 2070, they’re going to disband.
Bat Masterson
November 12th, 2012
10:58 am
So if the Angels are going to start him in CF next year, then WTF are we even having this freaking stupid debate? _ Lew
Debate, huh……… Seems more like some guy jacked up on cocaine at a party…… telling the same stories over and over……. I’ve never paid one bit of attention to Bourjos but I can tell you this now: I hate the SOB and hope to god he never even plays as a visitor in Atlanta.
David O'Brien
November 12th, 2012
11:05 am
I’ve got a bad feeling about this offseason. — Disgusted
No way. You? A bad feeling? I don’t believe it.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:05 am
Amen Bat !!
Disgusted
November 12th, 2012
11:07 am
Actually I was quoting another poster on having a bad feeling about this off season.
I am not the only one DOB.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:11 am
well you have a bad feeling every winter and are wrong every summer, you’d think you’d learn
Murph
November 12th, 2012
11:13 am
Actually I was quoting another poster on having a bad feeling about this off season.
I am not the only one DOB.
I am the second gunman on the grassy knoll… it was ME! MEEEEEEEEE!
I’m sure Wren will get us some quality players to root for, but there’s something about the search for LF/CF that feels like Wren’s search for SP… right before he signed Lowe and KK.
monty
November 12th, 2012
11:14 am
Someone said that Ross wasn’t worth 3% of our team salary. Really? I think he’s well worth it considering McCann’s absence. Now whether the team could afford to pay him his true value is another question altogether. But well “worth” it IMO.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:16 am
you know they could afford it with all the free money so they obviously think he is not worth it, they never think subs are worth paying much for, just go check the salaries over the years
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:19 am
he gets 160 at bats, he is mid 30s, they can get 2/3 his production for half his price
abeeeewright
November 12th, 2012
11:19 am
The Red Sox have “stolen” Smoltz, Cody Ross, and now David Ross from the Braves by offering to give them more money than the Braves thought they were worth.
These are fringy players by the time we get into this. I don’t think the Braves have really lost out by not bidding up these players further.
Bat Masterson
November 12th, 2012
11:22 am
nolie_
We really need something new to focus on here.
I went back to read O’Brien’s spring training Gattis story. Excellent writing by David. On a side note that is the blog where Samantha introduced herself. McFann and cab eagerly welcomed her……. Funny stuff
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:26 am
yeah Bat, Frankie needs to get it in gear, we are dyin’ here. at least get us our BU catcher so we can whine about him….
Arkansas Transplant
November 12th, 2012
11:26 am
Just get Olt and Gentry here. Then add a premium starting pitcher and a backup catcher.
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:28 am
Olt and Gentry? You really think they are gonna go that cheap and unproven with the money they have to spend? I sure as heck hope not
Murph
November 12th, 2012
11:29 am
On a side note that is the blog where Samantha introduced herself. McFann and cab eagerly welcomed her……. Funny stuff
Those were the days….
nolie
November 12th, 2012
11:30 am
Gentry has 12% XBH, that might be an all time record low. Yuck!!!