5:38 pm November 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 10th, 201210:25 pm
Need someone to lay down abunt? Huddy, Meeds, Hanson. Heck, even RRev can do it. He executed a perfect squeeze with Ourn. And he’s much more of a threat at the plate than Yawnish.
November 10th, 201210:27 pm
You are 100% correct! The sec west is reaaly tough now.
Lee in S GA
November 10th, 201210:29 pm
lets gets Salty back…..
November 10th, 201210:30 pm
Think back to the final week or so before Simmons came back. We played Prado at SS. You can’t have 200 hitting position guys with no power making sitting on the bench.
Yea, I get that & we really do not know if Janish can play another position. I am sure he can play second.
As you say, Gwinnett is a cab ride away. And its not like he was great at drewing walks or getting on base.
If Janish is not your main U inf — do you go with Pastornicky who really did not show much in is first yr. I do not like his range and he is not that much better than Janish at the bat.
I am not a Pastornicky fan. There is nothing in his game that is anything more than servicable and even that is giving him a stretch. He is not very good.
November 10th, 201210:33 pm
I don’t think the Red Sox want to move Salty — 25 HRs last yr.
Not the best all around C but in Boston he became a real major league player after flopping in Texas.
November 10th, 201210:36 pm
Hey-I had the next-to-last post on the previous page. According to the rules of George_George, am I supposed to repost? And should I capitalize most of the words?
November 10th, 201210:37 pm
Not a real Rev fan either and I think he is too young to sit on the bench. Thats no way to give him the opportunity to develop as a player. I would not be surprised to see Rev included in a deal this off season anyway.
My idea would be to keep Flabcisco as a 3B/pinch hitter. He can deliver some pop off the bench and could play 3rd in a pinch. Prado is the key. If need be he could play SS in a pinch for a game or two until Yawnish could be called up in the event of an injury.
November 10th, 201210:53 pm
only capitalize when you know little of what you speak of. that way the louder youy present yourself, the stupider you sound
November 10th, 201210:54 pm
November 10th, 201210:55 pm
November 10th, 201210:58 pm
Eddie Perez sounds as good as that list of available backups and he hasn’t played in 10 years. We just need someone until BMac gets back or Gattis is ready, whichever comes first.
Yes, Bat, the Dawgs looked really good today on both sides of the ball and just at the right time, too.
November 10th, 201211:39 pm
Wasn’t Matt Diaz the emergency catcher? Bring him back to handle this emergency.
November 10th, 201211:40 pm
Notre Dame does not pass the eye test. In fact they would be the 3rd best team in the ACC IMO Behind FSU and Clemson. ND is getting by on smoke and mirrors oh yeah…. and luck as usual.
November 11th, 201212:08 am
Hello everyone! Notre Dame hater!!!!!!! Dadgum….. How about Daddumd……
November 11th, 201212:10 am
Braves wll e fine, and I’m gad Ross is gone. 36 years old, and showed signs of it too. Now Braves can move on, and get some one else. I’m for Gattis, or Bethancourt back up. I’m also for trying things new.
November 11th, 201212:11 am
Dadgum DDDDDD Dumbed……..
November 11th, 201212:22 am
Ward – not sure about him, but the Securities and Exchange Commission backers are apoplectic – you must forgive them…
November 11th, 201212:23 am
I apologize for the political comment – the Securities and Exchange Commission does fill a vital role to protect us from fraud and deceitful behavior…
November 11th, 201212:28 am
I thought this “bears” repeating
Come on White Bear, come on! Get after it!
November 11th, 201212:38 am
Javy Lopez anyone?
November 11th, 201212:42 am
Your point? Do you have one?
November 11th, 201212:49 am
I did recall reading that Braves might trade for a veteran catcher? We will have to see what happens. I believe there is no time to panic. People forget that Ross will be 36 years old.
November 11th, 201212:55 am
They don’t have to trade for one, Ward. Laird would be fine and cheap. And he’s RH. That has nothing to do with Gattis.
November 11th, 201212:56 am
Also, like hearing that Francisco is working out, and working hard to improve his swing. Sounds like it could work out like Heyward. I’m willing to go along with that too. that’s if it comes down to Francisco at 3rd? Prado in LF.
November 11th, 201212:57 am
MIBravesFan – Whatever!!!!!!
November 11th, 20121:02 am
All, have a good one! Good day for Notre Dame! Happy for the Fighting Irish…..Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tomorrow……
November 11th, 20121:35 am
if some of y’all haven’t noticed how devoted the Braves are to great defensive backups, you need to pay more attention. they have almost always valued defense above offense in BU infielders
November 11th, 20121:36 am
it will surprise me if they trade for a catcher unless it is part of a bigger deal for an outfielder
November 11th, 20121:37 am
Great point, Nolie
Nail in the Road
November 11th, 20121:58 am
“if some of y’all haven’t noticed how devoted the Braves are to great defensive backups, you need to pay more attention. they have almost always valued defense above offense in BU infielders”
if u can’t score defense don’t mean a damn lot
November 11th, 20122:02 am
And if a team built to score runs can’t hit great pitching, a great offense is rendered helpless.
November 11th, 20122:07 am
just pat attention to what they, and most other teams, do. there is usually one great defender and one who hits better. it is not friggin’ Fantasy ball, it does not all revolve around offense
November 11th, 20122:24 am
November 11th, 20122:42 am
That’s not politics – that’s guitar.
November 11th, 20122:50 am
Venters, Teheran, Gilmartin, and Ahmed for Justin Upton. Done deal i would think…
November 11th, 20123:29 am
Jarvis is the real deal. He made the right decision to play for the Bulldogs. Lots of primetime face time on ESPN.
Ellis Johnson should have stayed with Spurrier at USC. His 1st year may be his last year at Southern Miss. On paper, it was a good move…
November 11th, 20123:43 am
It did not hurt them, at all, today that they played Alabama one week after BAMA played LSU. That’s life in the SEC.
Yep. And, when the Vols and Barn get back up, lookout. Tough to run the table.
November 11th, 20124:10 am
This guy was a good singer/songwriter.
November 11th, 20124:38 am
And then there is this – which is . . . .
November 11th, 20126:49 am
DOWN ON THE FARM
C CORY BROWNSTEN [.333 BA] 2-4, 2 RBI , 1 E [3, throw].
Looks like the young man is stepping up his game at the plate, but his defense is ????
RHSP ZEKE SPRUILL [L 1-2, 3.63 ERA] 4.0 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 SO.
November 11th, 20127:17 am
Its not all about offense?Sweet. Get a defender in CF like Bourjos. And he does have potential to hit well eenoughmto lead off. But all I hea is he sukks as a hitter and we need two hitters… We should havve six or seven other good hitters. We even have hitters in primarily defensive positions. Catcher, 3B, possibly SS as well…..
November 11th, 20127:19 am
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
PH/CF JOSE CONSTANZA [.360 BA] 0-0, 1 BB.
C CHRISTIAN BETHANCOURT [.211 BA] 0-2.
RHSP RANDALL DELGADO [4.70 ERA] 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB, 6 SO.
Best outing down south to date.
CF FELIX PIE [.239 BA] 0-4, 1 $, 1 BB, 1 SO, 1 E [1, throwing].
Lead-off CF TODD CUNNINGHAM [.222 BA] 0-3, 1 SAC, 1 SO.
1B RUBEN GOTAY [.250 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 SO.
C JEAN CARLOS BOSCAN [.326 BA] 0-3, 1 BB, 1 SO.
The heir-apparant to DAVID ROSS?
1B JOSE YEPEZ [.167 BA] 0-1, 1 R.
RF JORDAN PARRAZ [.143 BA] 0-4, 1 SO, 1 E [1, fielding].
Recently re-signed with the BRAVES and having a miserable winter session.
Game suspended after the top of the fifth.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.323 BA] 0-2, 2 SO.
LF EVAN GATTIS [.269 BA] 1-2, 1 R, 1 HR , 1 RBI , 1 SO.
November 11th, 20127:21 am
Oh, did you want the Braves to get Bourjos, TOBF?
November 11th, 20127:23 am
Holy crap, this guy’s like a slightly less crappy Jordan Schafer
November 11th, 20127:25 am
I shall be looking forward to seeing Janish pinch-defend…er, be a defensive replacement for Simmons late. Or Uggla. Or Prado at 3rd……
Will be great to have a 3man bench as well since we dont/can’t PH our BU catcher. I guess he’s a good pinch bunter, eh? We sure used Wilson alot to do so……..
November 11th, 20127:27 am
I heard Doumit is good also.
November 11th, 20127:28 am
I doubt very much that the Braves’ backup catcher comes internally – Boscan, Gattis, etc, – unless Wren can’t acquire a solid veteran backup.
Boscan is a lifer AAAA. Gattis is/was being converted to the outfield. Wren’s going to want a catcher who’s got experience handling major league pitchers. And there is no guarantee that McCann returns on schedule, or when he does if his play will be limited in any way.
November 11th, 20127:32 am
Doumit is good. Not nearly as good defensively as Ross, and I’m not sure he’s in Ross’ league when it comes to handling pitchers, but he’s good enough and he hits. He’s also versatile, in that he plays the corner OF positions and 1B.
Whether or not he’s available and what his cost would be is another matter. And there’s Span and Willingham to consider. What would getting Doumit from the Twins do in terms of acquiring either Span or Willingham?
November 11th, 20127:33 am
We got spoiled by Ross. Backup catchers are usually awful hitters. That’s why they’re backups.
That said, I don’t see how we couldn’t have spent $3 million a year for Ross, especially considering McCann’s going to be out in April.
November 11th, 20127:36 am
Actually Schafer is a crappy version of Bourjos
November 11th, 20127:38 am
……that’s what I said.
November 11th, 20127:52 am
Not surprisingly, the Indians have been targeted young starters as they begin the process of taking offers for Asdrubal Cabrera and others, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.
Indians get Bauer, DBacks get Cabrera, we get Upton. Just a starting point…. I’d bet Teheran needs to be included somewhere.
November 11th, 20128:05 am
Before last night I don’t think I had heard the name “Johnny Football.”
This morning I have been watching ESPN for the first time in a long, long time and I must have heard it 20 or more times. Hell maybe many more…….. If i was playing a Johnny Football drinking game I would be wasted by now.
November 11th, 20128:07 am
I always think of Fish Bisch when I read the name, Asdrubal Cabrera.
November 11th, 20128:10 am
Copy and prepare to paste if I’m wrong but
1. Yawnish will not be on the big club roster when the season starts next year because he can’t hit.
2. Obviously Simmons is good defensively and even Uggs isnt a train wreck at 2nd so Yawnish isnt coming in late in games.
3. Imagine next year when we need a pinch hit against the Nats next year for a chance to win a game and the only guy available is Yawnish off the bench. That would make for some good blogging!
Not gonna happen!
November 11th, 20128:24 am
Gattis is/was being converted to the outfield.
I hope he can stick at catcher. At least be below average there – not awful. If that is a possibility, he has a ton more value to the Braves.
November 11th, 20128:25 am
Imagine next year when we need a pinch hit against the Nats next year for a chance to win a game and the only guy available is Yawnish off the bench. That would make for some good blogging!
Why would Janish be the only one on the bench?
November 11th, 20128:38 am
Why wopuld he be the only one one the bench? Cause some here deal in absolutes?
November 11th, 20128:41 am
Prado proved he really can play shortstop in a pinch, and do quite well. Amazingly well, in fact. That’s a factor to consider on whether Janish makes the club.
November 11th, 20128:46 am
I think Prado made the plays he ranged to. But he is not a great middle infielder. His best spot is 3rd base or LF.
November 11th, 20128:48 am
Haven’t been on here in awhile….
Has Torii Hunter been discussed as a possibility in CF for the Braves if a few trade ideas fall through?
I can see it now…. a bench of Reed, Juan, Janish, Boscan, Mejia. Only 1 good MLB hitter (Reed), a whiffer in Juan, 2 no-hitters like Boscan and Janish, and Mejia (unproven)
And even if our BU catcher is a good hitter, we can’t pinch-hit w/ him anyway… that’ll be a nice small bench there. Use Reed in the 7th, and our hope lies in Juan, Mejia, or Janish late. Yowza.
November 11th, 20128:53 am
We don’t even have JC Boscan now….he elected to become a Free Agent on November 1st.
November 11th, 20128:54 am
Yes, Prado IS capavble of playing multiple positions – which is a very good thing and he certainly will be asked to move around every now and then – but he can’t be a starter AND the middle infield utility player. In order to do so, you’d have to have the versatile bench some are trying to avoid so there would be someone to fill in where he ordinarily plays.
November 11th, 20128:55 am
Schafer and Bourjos are not even on the same page.
Bourjos has some upside (showed it two yrs ago) and has some pop and good D.
Schafer cannot do anything right at the MLB level — and he is a headcase. He is not even that good a defender – speed is not necessarily guarantee that a guy has the fundamantals to play defense.
Schafer is a last resort ballplayer. Jordan “HGH” Schafer. That is the sie of it.
I hope Wren can do better than either one of em.
November 11th, 20128:56 am
Boscan becomes a Free Agent EVERY year at this time and then signs with the Braves so he can be the Spring Training Catcher. Apparently, it’s his mission in life.
November 11th, 20128:57 am
If I were Prado’s agent I;d be asking 4 yrs for 50 mil. By the time he is ready to go he probably will get it if not here than somewhere else.
You do not measure that kind of versitility in numbers, advanced or traditional.
I will still be a Bourn fan regardless of what. He was an excellent yr and a half rental.
November 11th, 20128:58 am
TommyP – I think they’d want to use Hunter in LF if they signed him. Not sure he’s as viable as a CFer as he was a few years ago.
November 11th, 20129:00 am
Boscan is very replacable. He will probably be back.
AAAA guys are a dime a dozen.
Just trying to say without going through it all that the other guys have already been used and Yawnish is it. He surely wont be the first guy off the bench to drive in a run.
November 11th, 20129:01 am
The 2012 Braves bench was pretty poor. It would take work on FW’s part to make the 2013 version worse.
They’ll find a back up catcher and a pinch hit specialist, I have no doubt.
They’ll find a scrap heap bullpen arm or two.
Then, maybe Wren will start work on a center fielder and 3B/LF.
November 11th, 20129:02 am
I see Hunter staying in the A.L.. He has been there all these yrs & the switch might not be all that easy for a guy his age.
There are some good opportunity AL teams like Boston who would be a fit for him.
They realy really need a corner OF and they are having trouble re-upping Cody Ross. Don’t want to give him three yrs.
I do not think Hunter would be another Garrett Anderson if he were here (gosh I would hope not)
November 11th, 20129:06 am
Braves had dreck behind McCann and Ross because the start and back up were both above average. Why put any resource into your third string catcher.
With Ross gone and his salary off the books, Braves will prolly get a not- as-good back up and a not-as-bad third stringer, for about half the price.
November 11th, 20129:10 am
On paper the bench was not that poor once they goe Reed Johnson and Overbay.
Overbay did zilch, Johnson helped some and bad yrs by Hinskie and Diaz did not help.
Pastornicky did near nothing and the defense of Simmons and Janish saved the shortstop position.
Ross would have meant more than just a bench player this yr — at least in te early going. But he is gone so that is the way it is.
Scares me to see the cheap players we are getting to fill the holes the rest of the winter.
November 11th, 20129:13 am
abeeewright — Have you seen the list of available prospective back up catchers available?????
Save for maybe Shopach it a list more frightening than a series of My Bloddy Valentime and Fiday the 13th horror movies.
All for half the price?????? Most of that list should not be a fourth the price of what Ross got.
November 11th, 20129:14 am
How about a platoon of Ankiel and Schafer for CF????
Pretty cost effective.
November 11th, 20129:15 am
Save for maybe Shopach it a list more frightening than a series of My Bloddy Valentime and Fiday the 13th horror movies.
Can you name one team, besides the Red Sox, who has a good hitting backup catcher?
November 11th, 20129:17 am
Scratch that 9:14 post — no platoon for left handed hitters.
That was a funny one.
I’ll fill in for Freeman in a pinch too!
November 11th, 20129:18 am
When there is constant debate about having enough money to pick up acceptable starting players, I’m not certain where people think the money is coming from to get starting level bench players like many here want.
November 11th, 20129:19 am
jeffreyd — I have to research and look who has a good hitting BU catcher.
But, for the available list to replace Ross– I would not want to pay a mil a yr for any of those guys save for maybe Shoppach.
If they can get one of those guys for 5 or 600 thousand for 1 yr hey, we have to live with it.
None of em are worth half the cost of Ross’ contract.
November 11th, 20129:24 am
Lew — Ross was more than just any old bench player. His role is more important going into the 13 season so he might have been worth 3 mil a yr. Well, he was worth it to the Red Sox anyway.
He is gone so lets open the yr with a Henry Blanco or Humberto Quintero and see how it goes.
Most of the available guys on the FA list should not get much more than the minimum.
Giants do… Hector Sanchez.. BU to Posey. Allows Posey to play 1B regularly.
November 11th, 20129:27 am
The big question regarding catcher is Mac which we’ll not know until next year. Its not backup catcher. There are many viable options out there for that.
Disgusted – Ross’s value does nothing wehatsoever to change what I said – if you can’t afford the quality of starters you would like, why do you think we can afford to field starting caliber bench players.
I agree Ross was good – but he’s getting up there in age and the Red Sox just offered him double what he’s been making. Not so sure that the Braves paying him double pay would have been smart for them since – unlikew the Red Sox – they didn’t just dump mulitple millions and unload their undesireable contracts to the Dodgers.
November 11th, 20129:29 am
I don’t believe Ross is worth 6.2mil to Braves,as I said yesterday maybe the only mistake Braves made was not trying to work out a contract in Aug or Sept before he hit free agency. Ross seemed to be happy here, might have been signed much cheaper at that time. Who knows now?
November 11th, 20129:32 am
If we’re not getting Shoppach, Laird, or Doumit as part of a package trade, I’m really feeling CBet for Opening Day. Boscan can back him up. Let’s see what the youngster’s got.
Red Sox have made poor player choices the last 2 or 3 years. Ross, as much as I liked him, is another poor choice made by Sox for 6.2 mil for a 36 year old catcher.
I don’t believe Ross is worth 6.2mil to Braves
But it’s only 3.1M per year. I think the Braves could’ve spared $3.1M, especially considering McCann’s a question mark.
November 11th, 20129:34 am
Let’s see what the youngster’s got.
A .566 OPS in AA.
November 11th, 20129:37 am
Ross cant play every day so that would have been a poor option for us even with Macs injury. He would still have had to platoon. Sox will platton him just because Salty is such a poor catcher. I also think Ross hit better this year than he will again. 36 and catcher = Too old, unless he is a PED guy ala Pudge!
November 11th, 20129:38 am
Can we get Josh Thole?
November 11th, 20129:45 am
Considering Texas needs pitching and apparently an extra SS, I’d suggest we send them Teheren and Pastornicky for Olt and Gentry.
November 11th, 20129:46 am
I think Wren was right to decline to participate in a bid-up for Ross’ services. Of course, I don’t blame Ross for taking the money and running.
November 11th, 20129:48 am
I said last night I would not be at all surprised to see Rev included in a deal to address this years needs. Yawnish will play SS at Gwinnett and Rev doesn’t need to just sit on the bench in Atlanta.
November 11th, 20129:51 am
Be an interesting deal. Are the Braves ready to give up Teheran for that package?
I think Laird would be our best option for strictly backup catcher who can play regular for awhile if needed. Doumit would be ideal when used less regularly at catcher, instead used there along with 1B and corner outfield if we decide their is enough at bats available to warrant paying his salary.
November 11th, 20129:52 am
Blockbuster with the Twins
Braves get: Spahn, Willingham, Doumit and Glen Perkins
Twins get: Delgado/Teheran, Hanson, Venters/Avilan, Gilmartin/Spurill and Cunningham
Sign one of Anibal Sanchez, Dan Haren, Kyle Lohse, Joe Saunders or Joe Blanton (stretching it Grinke)
Rotation= Medlin, Hudson, Minor, Teheran/Delkgado, FA
Line UP: Spahn Prado Heyward Willingham Freeman Uggal Mac/Doumit Simmons
November 11th, 20129:53 am
Why would the Tigers give up laird and for whom?
November 11th, 20129:54 am
That’d be sweet, but no way the Twins trade us all those players. Doesn’t maximize the return. Gotta pick between Willy and Span, try to convince them to add Doumit.
(I also highly doubt that Willingham will be traded this winter)
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