5:38 pm November 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 8th, 20124:13 pm
good point which I had totally forgotten about murph, I guess scoots gets called the dummy afterall…..
Lemme see, where did I put my gun cleaning kit?
November 8th, 20124:14 pm
I think Delgado is likely going byebye
I think Delgado’s on the block. But if a trade partner is looking for veteran starting pitching, I wouldn’t exclude Maholm.
November 8th, 20124:15 pm
All, Have a good one! Will talk later tonight, if get a chance? Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
November 8th, 20124:16 pm
Robert Nkemdiche de-commts from CLemson
He found out the cheerleaders we turned loose on him during his visit graduated.
November 8th, 20124:17 pm
sorry scoots, a bullet is just a bullet but the 4 year old might steal my soul….
November 8th, 20124:18 pm
‘S OK, nolie. I haven’t been to the range in months, probably couldn’t hit you.
November 8th, 20124:19 pm
no cheerleaders in farm system?
I heard somebody slipped in a cross-dresser on him scoots
November 8th, 20124:20 pm
Minor and Delgado both have no. 3 potential – will be braves’ lethal one – two jab combo for years …
Hah! Good one, cricket.
November 8th, 20124:21 pm
i would give up soul to save body
prolly some Criminoles fan…..
November 8th, 20124:22 pm
Oh sure, but you don’t waste those on a guy who is already in school.
heard somebody slipped in a cross-dresser on him
Wrong university. That would have been his South Carolina visit, LOL.
November 8th, 20124:23 pm
If I lose my soul I won’r be able to hang around Heaven and keep an eye on the blog cricket
November 8th, 20124:27 pm
The 4 year old is locked and loaded 24/7. Watching… waiting…
November 8th, 20124:31 pm
Seriously, this Nkemdiche kid is a fairly good example of the recruit who is used to being pampered because of football and thus is mostly unmindful of consequences. He made a visit, some of his high school buddies are going to school there, and he made a snap decision to verbally commit. His mother (who lives in Nigeria) then goes totally ape-bleep, in print, and the kid naturally says, “Oops. I didn’t really mean I was going to your school.” Standard stuff.
November 8th, 20124:32 pm
Just as I expected, everyone is so quick to make rude comments and critisize instead of actually admitting there is some truth in what I posted. Any fool can be “brave” sitting behind a keyboard by talking smack. But I wrote what I wrote because I care about the Braves winning another world series and not becoming a team that’s always on the outside looking in, a place where top tier free agents don’t want to go….and that’s the direction they’re heading in. It’s sad to see that no one cares about that. They’d rather make stupid and sarcastic comments.
I will definitely come on here and admit that I was wrong if how I think the offseason goes is different than what I predict. But once all the moves are made and the experts make their assesments, picks and projections….I believe that I will proven right.
Only time will tell.
November 8th, 20124:33 pm
thats where we really miss Bobby Bowden, guy was a great a recruiter as there ever was, though thingsare looking up again lately
November 8th, 20124:34 pm
Any fool can be “brave” sitting behind a keyboard by talking smack. But I wrote what I wrote because I care about the Braves
What did you write? I missed it.
CB – Me stone age? Isn’t that a bit like the Pterodactyl calling the triceratops old?
November 8th, 20124:35 pm
that would likely be a first for you, right Pat?
November 8th, 20124:37 pm
though thingsare looking up again lately
I like your guy down there. He seems to be a good one, X-and-O and recruiting both.
I know one thing: if a team is faster than Florida State or Clemson, they ain’t human.
November 8th, 20124:38 pm
Wait, was Patrick the guy who wrote the 8 paragraph novel a page or two ago? You guys actually read that??
November 8th, 20124:40 pm
faster on offense or defense? what about oregon?
If Seattle is gonna try and pry Wil Myers from KC, we should as well.
First sentence or two….
Patrick @4:32 – It could happen. Blind squirrels, and all…
November 8th, 20124:43 pm
both CB. FSU has always been about speed
November 8th, 20124:44 pm
Offense. I’d call Oregon in the same tier, though. Maybe a tick slower, if you held a gun to my head. Kansas State is awfully quick, too, from what I’ve seen. But I don’t see those teams nearly as much as I see the ACC, so I could be off in those evaluations on the low side.
Them Criminoles and them Tigers, though, have mercy.
November 8th, 20124:48 pm
oregon seems even more faster with that hurry-up offense. they are averaging / or aim to average 16 sec. between plays, if i remember correctly. that USC game was insane. K-state is pretty fast too. would love to watch a team like alabama play oregon, just to see what happens (since i’m neutral).
November 8th, 20124:53 pm
Patricks, most free agents will go to whoever is willing to pay them. And I remember a couple years ago (so granted it was still when Cox was managing) there was a survey among players what team they would most like to play for besides their own. If I remember correctly, the Braves were at least in the top five.
November 8th, 20124:55 pm
would love to watch a team like alabama play oregon, just to see what happens
I think Bama has the defensive speed to handle it, it’s just a matter of catching breath for 80 snaps. These speed offensive teams just run so many plays that it gets hard to react, eventually. And they have so many weapons that it’s nearly impossible to get enough three-and-outs to keep the defense fresh.
Patricks, most free agents will go to whoever is willing to pay them.
fixed it – Patricks, most ALL free agents will go to whoever is willing to pay them.
November 8th, 20124:57 pm
hese speed offensive teams just run so many plays that it gets hard to react, eventually.
yes, that’s why Saban started his pre-whining last week complaining that hurry-up offense is not real football etc.
November 8th, 20124:58 pm
now they are playing fake pointyball?
Cricket, I just said most because there are the exceptions who take hometown discounts, or will settle for a specific team because of location or other reasons.
November 8th, 20125:00 pm
Run the ball. Keep the nikes on defense.
November 8th, 20125:01 pm
Where’s DOB been today? Haven’t heard a peep outta him.
Mountain Braves Fan
November 8th, 20125:02 pm
On the subject of the elusive right handed power bat to play left field, consider the following. These are free agent outfielders who could potentially fill the role. I have included OPS versus LHP since this is a perceived need. I have included road OPS since some of these outfielders play half their games in hitter friendly home parks.
NAME AB HR RBI OPS OPS LHP ROAD OPS
C. Jones 387 14 62 .832 .821 .720
J. Hamilton 562 43 128 .930 .853 .924
N. Swisher 537 24 93 .837 .769 .841
T. Hunter 534 16 92 .817 .868 .832
C. Ross 476 22 81 .807 1.010 .684
R. Ludwick 422 26 80 .877 .937 .856
J. Gomes 279 18 47 .868 .974 .987
I know Josh Hamilton bats lefty and plays centerfield, but I included him because he is a legitimate power hitter who hits lefties well (.853 OPS LHP). And if the Braves did land him, it would make more sense for him to play left than center to preserve his health for the duration of the contract. His projected $25 million a year salary just doesn’t fit the Braves payroll structure. Most interesting stat from above is that Hamilton is not a product of playing half his games in Texas as his .924 road OPS illustrates.
Nick Swisher is a solid switch hitter who gets on base and drives in runs. He had a down year versus LHP (.769 OPS) but over his career he has handled them well. His .841 road OPS was actually higher than his home OPS (.834) in Yankee Stadium. At one point he was talking about wanting Jason Werth type money, but I believe he has since come back to earth. He might be worth 3 years/ $35-$40 million with a fourth year club option, but he may want and get more than that. And the Yankees made a qualifying offer so he will cost a draft pick.
Torii Hunter had a good season for the Angels. At 37 he isn’t getting any younger, but he does take care of himself, he is a solid defender, a positive clubhouse presence, and he hits lefties well (.868). He is said to be looking for 2 years/$20 million, and I think he would be worth it. No qualifying offer from the Angels so no draft pick attached.
Cody Ross had a career type season in Boston. Defensively he can play all three outfield positions, and offensively he crushes lefties (1.010). His .684 road OPS is a big red flag that his offensive renaissance was largely Fenway driven. Because of his .729 OPS versus RHP, he is more of a platoon player than a regular. Said to be looking for 3 years and $25 million. Too much for too little.
Ryan Ludwick came back from the dead in Cincinnati, and his .937 OPS versus LHP is significant. But not significant enough to overlook his .674 OPS in 2011. Until this season, Ludwick hasn’t had an OPS over .800 since 2008. He turned down his half of a $5 million mutual option to go back to the Reds. He is probably looking for at least a two year deal, and at 35, I don’t think there is enough left in the tank to go there.
Jonny Gomes is mentioned in case the Braves should consider doing the left field/third base platoon with Prado and Francisco. Gomes would be a monster (.974 OPS) versus lefties and would be a valuable right handed bat off the bench when not starting. He would be cheap, and he could be a placeholder for Gattis.
hometown discounts don’t apply at all to what you were talking about players not wanting to come here
November 8th, 20125:05 pm
you left off Willinghan who is the most cost efficient player out there and a better all around hitter than most of those since he has the 28th highest career OPS+ of all current players
Team coming off of 98 wins, and in the possession of friggin Strasburg, Zimmermann, and Gio Gonzalez is looking to better their starting rotation.
Just f!cking depressing, man.
Indeed…. esrpecially since you shouldn’t upgrade your rotation when it’s supposedly “good”. They have 3 guys who performed for an entire year. We have 2 who performed for 2.5 months.
On Delgado…. I think he’s at least a 2 in the future. I think he’ll be better than Minor, and Minor is a projected 3. Could possibly end up better than Teheran. It’s been that way so far.
November 8th, 20125:06 pm
only pumas can track down and hunt nikes
November 8th, 20125:08 pm
Haha! Thankfully, one of those guys works 91-93….
November 8th, 20125:09 pm
if he is ever regarded as a two across baseball I’ll eat my Braves hat
November 8th, 20125:10 pm
only pumas can track down and hunt nikes</i.
Only if they pre-whine.
I think he’ll be better than Minor
i bet Delgado will be a better RH pitcher than Minor..
November 8th, 20125:12 pm
are you going to wash it?
November 8th, 20125:14 pm
the chocolate one of course. I also have some chocolate guns in case I wanna make that speech….
November 8th, 20125:18 pm
Adam Foster (who has written for baseball America) in a 2010 report said that Delgado could become a durable 2-3.
From a different writer…
Delgado has polish and two plus pitches; he’s durable, somewhat MLB-tested, and just turns 22 in February. That’s a collection of positives few can boast; however, his lack of any deception or a third pitch is a hindrance, and while we can excuse a lot of his statistical inconsistency to youth, it’s still cause for some trepidation. It’s easy to see Delgado tightening up his breaking ball, learning how to pitch inside more, and becoming a great #2 starter, but if he doesn’t make those adjustments, he’ll be more frustrating. I’ll put it this way–he could have the age-25 season of Edinson Volquez, but he could also have the age-27 season of Edinson Volquez.
I still see #2 potential in him. With a chance to be even better
November 8th, 20125:26 pm
effin Internal Server error. I musta clicked on the Submit Comment button the wrong way again. Silly me.
November 8th, 20125:27 pm
lets hide and watch. when the general feeling across all of baseball is that he is a number two you will have won. don’t hold your breath though
Fire the IT team!
November 8th, 20125:28 pm
I think Delgado has a great shot at being a solid starter for years to come, but I don’t ever see him being better than a #3, but that still has plenty of value.
November 8th, 20125:29 pm
The numbers are so overwhelming that teams that kick field goals on fourth and short at the 20-yard line aren’t just wrong, they’re so wrong it’s ludicrous. For the Texas Hold ‘Em players out there, kicking a field goal in that situation is like folding pocket aces pre-flop against a smaller pocket pair.
November 8th, 20125:30 pm
November 8th, 20125:31 pm
so if they are claiming it is our fault it will likely never get fixed
November 8th, 20125:35 pm
my observation – effin Internal Server error is encountered when you have refreshed current page and try to submit a comment before it has finished the refresh completely.
sometimes i do ctrl R for refresh, browser is supposed to take me to the last comment i was at but since it takes forever, i do page down/End to go all the way down and try to submit one of my witty comments – and boom – effin Internal Server error !!
November 8th, 20125:39 pm
not for me, I always wait till the spinning arrow has stopped after a refresh. some things go through ok, some are slow, some are slower and when it is slow enough I lose the connection, and then it usually takes several attempts B4 I can get connected again. like I said B4 I have always had that trouble with this site , since the changes it is much worse. no other site I use ever acts like that
November 8th, 20125:41 pm
cricket,thanks for ctrl R info,that is quicker on mine than simply refresh button.
November 8th, 20125:44 pm
I get the internal server error at random times. Usually not when I try to comment, just when I’m hitting refresh to see every else’s comments.
So far this year they’re batting a big 0′fer. Meebo bar, WordPress update, etc. Whiff, whiff, whiiiiiif.
Time to put the editor’s kid back in the mailroom and give the IT responsibilities to someone who actually knows what they are doing.
November 8th, 20125:49 pm
being an IT guy, i hate those “editor’s kids”
November 8th, 20125:51 pm
gee I can remember the days when all IT meant was that you got tagged last ….
November 8th, 20125:58 pm
Chuck (Durango, CO)
Why would the D-Backs want to move J. Upton? Nick Piecoro was reporting Upton’s thumb injury nagged him for much of the season. He started to perform as expected in September. Do you like him for a bounce back in ‘13?
Klaw (1:07 PM)
I do, but I like him more if he’s dealt. The D-backs front office clearly doesn’t like something about his personality. That can’t be an easy environment in which to play.
Patrick (1:48) – I’m one of the few that writes about the fact that the Braves will not be putting together a team that has any chance of a winning a championship. And things will stay this way and probably get worse. Let’s face the facts: Corporate ownership (which is the absolute worst), an awful TV deal, no new stadium to be built anytime soon, a mediocre General Manager. All of these facts point to one thing: A middle-of-the-pack team. Nothing will change until this team is sold to someone who cares about baseball, about winning.
Patrick (4:32) – But I wrote what I wrote because I care about the Braves winning another world series and not becoming a team that’s always on the outside looking in, a place where top tier free agents don’t want to go….and that’s the direction they’re heading in.
Your posts are heavy on the doom and gloom, and I am not sure how much this reflects on why you care more about the Braves than others. I believe that the Braves will put together a squad capable of reaching the playoffs next year. I guess I just don’t care enough.
November 8th, 20125:59 pm
So,are GM meetings over?
November 8th, 20126:00 pm
nolie – check out british comedy series “The IT Crowd” – i liked it. available on netflix
November 8th, 20126:01 pm
Hanson, Teheran, Delgado: Who do you deal first if your the Braves looking to get an outfielder?
Klaw (1:28 PM)
Hanson’s hurt and I doubt he’d fetch anything of value in trade, assuming the other team is paying attention. I’d shop Delgado over Teheran.
Erick (Washington, DC)
Keith, if you were offered a job by the Redskins, Indians, Braves, Chiefs would you turn it down simply because of the team name? Jobs in sports are limited and extremely hard to come by, but do you think people should refuse to work for them?
Klaw (1:30 PM)
I would refuse to work for those clubs, yes. Whether others choose to do the same is a matter of their own consciences.
yes, it’s already 6:00pm
November 8th, 20126:03 pm
I put the OF candidates into one of two groups. (1) Guys with more (Hamilton, J. Upton) or even a lot less (Wil Myers, Tim Wheeler, etc.) proven capacity, but who all project to be long term stellar performers. (2) Guys who will be decent to above average placeholders until a cheap alternative surfaces from our farm system, like Jonny Gomes in a platoon situation, until Gattis gets his shot.
You can’t have eight players like Myers, Heyward, Trout, etc. Certainly with our payroll, it ain’t gonna happen. So we can’t expect every player we acquire to be a “can’t miss” HOFer. Anyway, some of the phenoms don’t work out. And some proven stars like Hamilton succumb to demons.
I’m flexible. I suppose Wren is too. You can’t compare a player in category one to a player in category two. We MIGHT get one from category (1). At least one, and maybe both, will be from category (2). Anyone who passes judgment after we get one OFer is an idiot. We need to see who both of them are before knowing if the package is OK.
November 8th, 20126:04 pm
Pastornicky, Delgado, Gilmartin and Gattis for J Upton? Is this good enough to be listed as most preposterous trade proposal of the chat?
Klaw (1:43 PM)
Oh no, I’ve gotten worse.
Whether others choose to do the same is a matter of their own consciences.
think what you may about his baseball knowledge, but the guy is a d***
November 8th, 20126:05 pm
cricket,don’t make me come get you.
Jeff (St. Louis)
Mike Matheny never managed either. Does him getting to the NLCS in his first year change your thoughts on this matter?
Klaw (1:43 PM)
He didn’t get to the NLCS. His players got him there. He cost the team with his bunting obsession and other tactical flaws.
Klaw (1:43 PM)
Really, we need to stop acting like the manager drives the damn bus and the players are just passengers.
November 8th, 20126:12 pm
Anyone who passes judgment after we get one OFer is an idiot.
So when the team signs Rick Ankiel next week we’d be idiots for freaking out about it?
November 8th, 20126:14 pm
Jimmy (San Francisco)
What are your thoughts on Medlen in 2013? Due to regress? If so, by how much? Thanks.
Klaw (2:18 PM)
Regress from being Walter Johnson for three months, yes. But regress below, say, top 20 in the league? I’ll say no.
November 8th, 20126:15 pm
No. It’s only 3:15
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
November 8th, 20126:23 pm
“In a perfect situation, if there were no other deciding factors (money, another catcher), my ideal situation would be to play for the Braves,” Pierzynski said. “I grew up a Braves fan. That would be ideal, but with Brian McCann I don’t think it’s going to happen.”
Hot dang…BMac better not walk down any dark alleys in Pierzynski’s neighborhood…
November 8th, 20126:25 pm
McFann,he’s heard about you,he won’t hurt Brian. The wrath of McFann puts fear in all men.
David from Athens, Alabama
November 8th, 20126:32 pm
AL OF #SilverSlugger winners: Josh Willingham
Don’t think Twins will be trading him!
November 8th, 20126:37 pm
Pierzynski would be a nice get… but he’ll get a starting job somewhere. Shame. Seems to be a good guy.
November 8th, 20126:41 pm
I like Josh Willingham, makes tons of sense for us. My only beef is how much will he play. He’s played roughly 30 games as the DH for each of the past 2 seasons while putting together consecutive 30+ homer seasons.
Taking his time in the NL into consideration he played less. He averaged 20 homers and 60 rbi’s a season in the NL. Noting it was his younger days as well. The guy is 34 years old, I’d bet he play maybe 120 games for us at best. But he does fill the RH power need and fits the budget. But wouldn’t it be nice to get someone a little younger, durable, and athletic? Basically comes down to what it would take to trade for him.
November 8th, 20126:45 pm
It’s gonna be interesting too see what David Ross does, I can easily see many teams offering more money. He only made 1.6 million in 2012, probably safe to say he’ll double that.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
November 8th, 20126:47 pm
My day is ruined…Keith Law won’t work for the Braves as long as they have that awful name. If only they’d change it to the “Atlanta Guilt-ridden White Guys” he might grace us with his presence…
November 8th, 20126:49 pm
With the Diamondbacks in “active discussions” about Justin Upton, there has been no shortage of trade buzz about the former No. 1 overall draft pick. While the Braves and Yankees are reportedly not interested in Upton, teams as the Red Sox, Rangers and Rays are, though the Rays ironically can’t make a serious push until Justin’s brother B.J. rejects Tampa Bay’s qualifying offer, though he is expected to do so by tomorrow.
Guess we can give up on the chance of getting Justin Upton. Wren most likely isn’t interested cause of the price it would take to get em. But he’s definitely the top trade candidate out there who’s definitely a premium player and would fill a team need.
November 8th, 20126:54 pm
What about the rest of the Grayson team he told Clemson to sign?
November 8th, 20126:56 pm
Pierzynski would be a nice get… but he’ll get a starting job somewhere. Shame. Seems to be a good guy…TOBF
huh? He has a bad clubhouse rep and has been voted as one of the least liked players in baseball
November 8th, 20127:03 pm
oh wait, the fact that he grew up a Braves fan makes him a good guy, how could I miss that?….
November 8th, 20127:24 pm
What kind of package would it take to get both Span and Willingham in the same deal?
November 8th, 20127:28 pm
Va Brave — If he takes that $$$$$$$$$ elsewhere, than I say kudos for him cause he has really put his heart and soul into it in his time as a Brave.
I get that Liberty will not pay him that but there are some other teams that can and will.
That excremental TV deal — I despise Time Warner. They got us into that dung.
November 8th, 20127:30 pm
I would offer Hanson, Delgado and Teheran. The only one of the bunch I’d miss is Delgado.
Minnesota just might go for that. Just a fan’s guess and of course I am biased on my Braves. Don;t most fan proposals do that;.
November 8th, 20127:31 pm
That excremental TV deal — I despise Time Warner. They got us into that dung.
they are still getting 50 mil per year from MLB deals. ain’t like they have no money. more like they are only willing to spend a certain amount
Oh, BTW I would also throw in prospect on the verge of BUST Salcedo — he could be good DH material in the AL.
November 8th, 20127:33 pm
It i my understanding that the 50 mil begins in ‘14.
I could be wrong. And LM is probably not ever going over a 90 mil roll give or take a couple of so million plus or minue.
I do think in five, six yrs we will be a bottom 5 payroll team.
November 8th, 20127:34 pm
Would you also throw in a rusty bucket and a 1963 Marv Throneberry baseball card? That might do it.
November 8th, 20127:35 pm
I think Delgado’s on the block. But if a trade partner is looking for veteran starting pitching, I wouldn’t exclude Maholm.
Jeff R — I would move Hanson over Maholm. If I could. PM is going to be an important piece of this rotation for 13. I do not want to pay Hanson the ARB $$$$$$$ based on his last 2 second halfs.
Of course other GM;s might not want to either.
they have gotten 25 all along, the extra 25 kicks in next season, willing to bet that the payroll does not jump anywhere near 25 mil then
November 8th, 20127:37 pm
Why not Hugo. And on that note throw in a hunk of LM stock.
I want Willingham and Span or Revere here. Plain and simple.
Will even throw in the Fox Theatre and Stone Mountain Park on top of that
Six Flags too.
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