5:38 pm November 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
November 7th, 20122:15 pm
DS1, You and I used to talk quite a alot, before you left the blog for however long you left.
But, you don’t seem to understand the rules or just choose to ignore them!
Most of the people on the blog are grownups that have their own views and do not need your guidance or your running diatribe on politics.
You act like a petulant teenager that didn’t get the new car for his birthday that he was expecting.
So, I will be completely happy to never address you again.
Just the politics or another place and time.
November 7th, 20122:18 pm
Garrett Anderson,I heard, is making a comeback playing in the Zimbabwe winter league and is really mashing the ball. Several videos are up on youtube.com proving such and rumors are Wren has sent scouts to confirm for a possible minor league contract.
Bay and Constanza platoon in LF is the way to go. Make it happen,Frank.
November 7th, 20122:19 pm
Hello everyone! Good to check in again, and see what’s going on. I have a feeling the longer Wren, doesn’t do anything . We will see the same. Braves have 20 t0 25 million, and they won’t be able to do much. I think Wren, will ge a Ludwick type player, or Victorino type. I just don’t see Wren spending the big bucks, and we could see a trade with Rockies, or the Twins. It doesn’t look like Wren is going to spend 20 million on one player…..The longer this goes….The longer I see a cheap player signing.
November 7th, 20122:21 pm
The enemy is whatever team we face in the playoffs
braves are making playoffs?
DS1 you are preaching to the choir brother.
I’d rather sign Jonny Gomes than Jason Bay.
November 7th, 20122:23 pm
I apologize for bending/breaking the rules from time to time. I do not apologize for my opinions and passions. And I despise the reference of “drinking the kool aid”. I actually care about the future of our children. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
We keep overlooking Garrett Anderson….
Garrett Anderson moves too slowly to be detected by naked eye
November 7th, 20122:24 pm
Jason Bay is still around?
Actually, it’s like I’m the Baptist preacher on a street corner in Benghazi!
November 7th, 20122:25 pm
outta here, people can’t keep their politics out of this place either
I see Wren, signing a player for aorund 10 million, and 8million, and saving some money for the 2014 season.
November 7th, 20122:26 pm
It’s gonna be slow for a bit longer Ward. Offseason just started. Waiting on guys to accept/turn down their qual. offers. The fun will start soon enough
November 7th, 20122:28 pm
cricket – Just ignor them. We need to move on, and talk baseball.
November 7th, 20122:29 pm
Sorry folks, I’ll leave.
November 7th, 20122:30 pm
TOBF – I hear you my friend, but we should see Wrens’, pattern by now. I’m just getting ready for some unknown player to be signed that we haven’t heard of. little humor…..
Kinda like Shane Victorino’s bat speed.
November 7th, 20122:32 pm
Our polished lefties throw even slower than that….
DS1 – Sorry you are bummed. Kinda how I felt in 2004, my friend. Time to move on…you aren’t going to change it, and this isn’t the place.
I like you r baseball input. Don’t make me start scrolling past you.
November 7th, 20122:33 pm
Damn it Wayne, cease and desist old friend. its over and ain’t worth getting tossed at this point
November 7th, 20122:36 pm
Wayne,you have lost a lot of respect from a lot of good people on this blog from your refusal to play by the rules of the blog. Some may agree with what you say,some may not but what is clear is you need to stop or you need to go away and not come back.
Nowhere – I’m IN the choir…35 years…and he’s NOT preaching to me! This is why politics isn’t discussed here.
November 7th, 20122:41 pm
I hope we can do better than a Jason Bay/Constanza platoon in LF
November 7th, 20122:43 pm
Just looked at trade rumors, and Torii Hunter is tagged to the Braves on trade rumors.
DOB–we really need some news from the GM meetings today so we can get refocused here. Anything really.
The only thing on TV worse than the NBA is these people that try to pull off the “Sasquatch” was here last night. I can guarantee these people have been fired from frying french fries from somewhere.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 7th, 20122:48 pm
In the spirit of lightening things up around here a little, try this:
I can live with Hunter for two years tops
November 7th, 20122:52 pm
Waht if Braves get Torri Hunter for a couple of seasons? Maybe that will be enough for Todd Cunningham to get ready, and we bring up Gattis. Gattis in LF this year maybe? In 2014 Todd Cunningham. We sign Reed Johnson, and go with Schafer until Gattis is ready? Just some crazy idea.
That’s a HOT woman Enquiring Minds!!!! Do you think she can get me out of my trailer park?
Guys,I was kidding about Bay/ Constanza platoon. My gosh
November 7th, 20122:53 pm
Nolee will be after that woman with all that jewelry.
I know my idea looks crazy, but it’s a path I bet Wren, would go with, and saving more money.
November 7th, 20122:55 pm
Jason Bay / Melky platoon in LF sounds about right for typical LF for the Braves.
November 7th, 20122:56 pm
My wife can handle that driving on the left side, she already does that.
November 7th, 20122:58 pm
I would rather read political posts than read about a Bay/Melky platoon.
Crazy – How much is owed on Jason Bays contract? If it’s over 14 million? I don’t see Wren, getting him either.
November 7th, 20122:59 pm
Or root canal. Root canal would be OK, too.
November 7th, 20123:03 pm
Hurricane Sandy & now Winter Storm “Athena”????? in two week?????/ you guys have to see outside my window now….3 inches of snow in the Ground….WTH
Just arrived. Very much enjoyed the D-back/Indians/Braves three-way discussion, to get Justin Upton. I did not understand adding a top 3B prospect–Justin Upton would mean Prado would block any third baseman (—-unless Prado was at 2B in 2014—is that the idea?). Generally, I thought the various proposals were painful for us, but smart.
Worried about what is left in Torii Hunter’s tank.
November 7th, 20123:04 pm
I’m just trying to be realistic, and accept that Wren, might not spend big, but make a trade, and spend small.
November 7th, 20123:07 pm
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November 7th, 20123:09 pm
Crazy – How much is owed on Jason Bays contract? If it’s over 14 million? I don’t see Wren, getting him either.
Zero dollars. He negotiated his way out of his contract. He’s a free agent.
Bay/Melky in LF and Schafer/McLouth in CF.
November 7th, 20123:12 pm
nolie, shes too young for you.
if Bay will pay us, I ….nah I still wouldn’t consider it
Trade Heyward for Blanco and we are set in OF.
November 7th, 20123:13 pm
is she over 16???
November 7th, 20123:16 pm
I don’t know really what to think except that I don’t think Wren will spend beig like most think. I see a possible trade? A small signing. Prado at 3rd base.
November 7th, 20123:17 pm
Meant to say spend big. I just don’t see it happening.
November 7th, 20123:24 pm
At the begining of the month I thought Wren, would spend big, but now it’s starting to look to me the other way. The longer we wait….. I feel he longer…. We will see small spending, and a possible trade.? Just the way I see Wren, working.
November 7th, 20123:27 pm
Ward, it is still extremely early, the GM meetings just started for cripes sake
seldom all that much action yet
P-Town Brave ©
November 7th, 20123:30 pm
My 3B spec added would be for depth reasons….if we resign Prado to an extension it wouldn’t matter…
…And this just in….From @Ken_Rosenthal: DBacks ARE once again shopping Justin Upton….so he IS available
November 7th, 20123:33 pm
KEN ROSENTHAL…..UPDATED NOV 7, 2012 3:02 PM ET
INDIAN WELLS, CALIF.
Once again, the Arizona Diamondbacks are trying to trade right fielder Justin Upton.
Maybe the third time will be a charm. The Diamondbacks discussed moving Upton at the 2010 general managers’ meetings and also before the July 31 non-waiver deadline last season.
Ken Kendrick, the team’s managing general partner, told a Phoenix radio station in October that Upton was “highly likely” to return. Major-league sources, however, say the team is again engaged in active discussions about Upton, and one estimates the chances of him playing elsewhere next season are “80-20.”
The Diamondbacks need a shortstop, and Upton possibly could bring them a player such as the Rangers’ Elvis Andrus.
Upton, 25, is signed for $9.75 million next season, $14.25 million in 2014 and $14.5 million in 2015.
His no-trade list last season consisted of four teams: the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Cleveland Indians and Chicago Cubs.
The list has since changed, a source said.
Without Upton — and Chris Young, whom the Diamondbacks traded last month to the Oakland Athletics — the team would still be fairly deep in outfielders.
Gerardo Parra, Jason Kubel and Adam Eaton could form the D-Backs’ outfield next season, with A.J. Pollock in reserve.
the question is do we have enough to beat other teams and is he really worth what it will take in a bidding war? My answer to both is prolly not
November 7th, 20123:36 pm
You never know what tricks Wren has up his sleeve. Go get Upton Frankie…and then his brother would sign for a discount to play with his brother.
November 7th, 20123:38 pm
Another good sign is we know Wren likes to do his work at the GM meetings so maybe he is the one having “active discusions” with Towers.
November 7th, 20123:39 pm
World is full a dreamers……
nolie, if justin upton isnt worth getting i dont know who is.
the bad thing is that it would probably cost us andrelton simmons.
The Zimbabwe Winter League? You mean they have a league? Or for that matter winter?
November 7th, 20123:40 pm
How much of a discount…. 4 for 45 and an option?
November 7th, 20123:41 pm
I agree…you just never really know what Frank is gonna do….
And now having a completely ridiculous conversation on the merits of not trading any of our pitching….
Man do I LOVE prospect hoarders
Pastornicky qualifies as a SS, right? I think those 3-way scenarios that were discussed earlier may work. The SS goes to AZ from the 3rd team.
November 7th, 20123:42 pm
Not necessarily….IF the Braves can figure a 3rd team to be involved like CLE was mentioned earlier we could get it done….
No, we cant get it done completely on our own merit if they truly want a SS
November 7th, 20123:44 pm
All, just remember 20 to 25 million. A possible trade, or a small signing. I can’t see Wren, spending 20 million on one player. What will Wren, do? Just enough to get Braves by. All, I’ll talk later tonight, and peace my friends and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
No, it’d most certainly have to be a SS coming from another team….
Three way trades rarely happen in MLB.
I think y’all allow his numbers in an extreme hitters park to overwhelm you. he has not yet put two good years together back to back and he will get expensive soon. comparing what would need to be given up, I think he is not all that worth what a bidding war will bring
November 7th, 20123:46 pm
Pastornicky may have played shortstop, but that’s a far cry from qualifying as a shortstop.
the question is do we have enough to beat other teams and is [Justin Upton] really worth what it will take in a bidding war?
Hey, their GM loves him some relief pitchers. Who knows what he might take? But he’ll ask for Simmons, and I imagine that’s a non-starter. So, where would the discussion go from there? They have young pitching of their own, so the Braves’ best currency is not all that engaging, in a vacuum. It could work if Arizona has a fish on the line for a SS, and wants to include one of their own young pitchers in the deal. Something like that.
November 7th, 20123:47 pm
The real problem is this….
MANY teams would like to have Upton and I’m sure many teams could probabably match up better
November 7th, 20123:48 pm
Ok, good luck
November 7th, 20123:49 pm
And the guy crushes LHP….
Thats about all I need to hear to know that he’d look good in between JHey and Freddie
Get Marlins involved,they would probably be happy to get rid of Reyes.
November 7th, 20123:53 pm
SMH nolie SMH nolie SMH nolie…always gotta be one buzzkill in the group.
Good point….even if the 3 way doesn’t work out, maybe we offer a young pitcher or two to replace their depth and we do have the LH reliever they could use….
You never know, I said a few weeks ago tho I just don’t see the matchup
November 7th, 20123:55 pm
Actually they were thrilled w/ what they got from Reyes
November 7th, 20123:56 pm
I can’t see giving up Simmons as he’s gonna be a good one I think.You never know though what Wren would do to get that bat. I just can’t see that happening.
November 7th, 20123:57 pm
ANYONE could qualify as a SS…Pete Kozma proved that in the playoffs….
Doesn’t make you a good one tho either
comparing what would need to be given up, I think he is not all that worth what a bidding war will bring
Probably not. Wanna talk some more about Jason Bay?
November 7th, 20123:58 pm
Simmons is an off limits for me….as well as Heyward, Freeman, Prado, Medlen, Minor, and Kimbrel….
I think everyone else would be available for the right price
November 7th, 20123:59 pm
P-Town,look at back end of that contract. Last 4 years at 22 million,wise to move him soon if they can find someone dumb enough to take him.
According to Bowden, the DBacks are more concerned w/ upgrading at 3B, LH reliever, and PROVEN starter than anything….
Does Tommy Hanson even qualify as proven starter anymore? —- If so we cover 2 of 3 there
November 7th, 20124:00 pm
no there has gotta always be one with some damn common sense, which you sure as hell don’t have. all you have is a smart mouth and some kinda nervous disorder that seems to keep your head quivering all the time. try some neck exercises maybe
November 7th, 20124:06 pm
Hanson is as much of a pitcher as Pastornicky is a SS. Both sukk. Yet there are worse pitchers than Tommy, so I’m sure there are worse SS out there. Yuniesky comes to mind. Maybe AZ or some other team takes a chance.
November 7th, 20124:09 pm
sure I would take Hanson and Tyler in a heartbeat for Justin…..
November 7th, 20124:12 pm
I believe they wanted a proven lefty starter…. maybe I’m confusing rumors. Maholm, choice of EOF/JV, Pastornicky, and Ahmed get them talking. Hanson to LAA (who I’m sure will want some cheap pitching, even if it’s not all that good) with Cunningham or Spruill for Bourjos. Sign a pitcher. Get a few bench bats. A RH power pitcher for the pen (maybe from ‘Zona).
November 7th, 20124:29 pm
Calm down man….you’re gonna stroke out.
See now this confuses me TOBF…
If they wanted a proven lefty starter, why didn’t they just keep and extend Saunders….
November 7th, 20124:34 pm
Anyone ever read John Sickels over at minorleagueball.com? He’s a prospect guy, but I’m just not sure he’s that good. Always seems like he is(and I hate to use this term) – “scouting a stat line”. He had this to say about the Braves Top 20:
I am still working on the Braves Top 20. For some reason, I find myself extremely demoralized by this list, and I’m not even a Braves fan. There is a lot of Grade C that is tough to rank against each other, and while there are a few prospects I like, there just seems to be a lot of blah here. This system is nothing like it was a few years ago. The results from the 2012 draft are particularly depressing.
I don’t think they are a great system either, but there are at least 10 worse systems, imo. And I’m usually all about the elite prospects, but systems like Baltimore(Bundy and Gausman), Detroit(Castellenos), and LAD(Puig and Lee) have zero depth – so I’d rather have the Braves system, even though it’s probably no better than #15.
November 7th, 20124:37 pm
Damn nolie take an f’n joke. I know we disagree on a lot of stuff, no actually pretty much everything, but I was kidding around so calm the F down dude…relax….breathe…
November 7th, 20124:38 pm
I don’t think SS is the Snakes #1 priority. Veteran starter, LH reliever and a position player prospect, I think.
Upton clearly has warts – otherewise the D-Backs wouldn’t be trading him. But his age 26-28 year old seasons, man…..could be something to have Heyward, Upton, Freeman for at least the next three seasons in the middle of the Braves order.
But it comes down to what we can offer, and if some other teams get involved(Rangers, Yankees) we aren’t getting him.
November 7th, 20124:40 pm
The results from the 2012 draft are particularly depressing.
Wood and Sims are decent pitchers, no? And isn’t Fernelys Sanchez a guy with a lot of upside?
I dunno, I don’t pay much attention to the draft, but I thought 2012 wasn’t all that shabby.
November 7th, 20124:45 pm
3 years, $39 mil for J. Upton. I would do it (if we could agree on a package). And as somebody else mentioned, If we are able to get J. Upton, maybe BJ would give us a discount in order to play with his brother.
But when the smoke clears, I think we will end up with Pagan in Center (it gives him an opportunity to stick it to the Mets), and Willingham in LF.
This system is nothing like it was a few years ago.
Graduating three ROY candidates and other assorted front-line players will do that.
That’s no excuse for failing to make recent drafts more productive, but, geez, give a guy some slack, why dontcha?
Well, of course it’s not the same Farm System as a coupe years ago when they had Heyward, Freeman, Medlen, Hanson (pre injury), Venters, Simmons and KImbrel there instead of in Atlanta.
November 7th, 20124:47 pm
I don’t think SS is the Snakes #1 priority.
That right? I must have have misread something, somewhere. Or I’m thinking of another team, maybe.
November 7th, 20124:53 pm
Even aside from the graduating prospects and subpar drafts – the minors are not what they were a few years ago anyway. Systems like the Nationals, Angels, and Dodgers took big steps back this year, and the White Sox, Indians, Brewers, Marlins and Tigers have been bad for a while. Braves are still better than these systems with much more depth and still with a pitcher at the top who was elite a year ago.
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