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Efrim
November 6th, 2012
10:54 am
why doesn’t Hunter make sense for braves?
Well, I’d rather sign Torii Hunter than to pay Nick Swisher big dollars plus the loss of a pick. But, I think him being in his late 30’s and lack of good walk rates scare me. Greay clubhouse guy and good defender in an outfield corner. But I’d stay away,
Lew
November 6th, 2012
10:56 am
W keep hearing about how great Bourjos was in 2011 – But I fail to see much there. He has a pretty pitifful OBP even in that” stellar” season you keep siting (.327) and has never even approached .300 in his other two partial years. He doesn’t walk (32 time in 552 PA in THE year), strikes out a ton (124 times in said year) and he won’t hit 13 HR in ATlanta.
Unless this Kid is freaking Andruw Jones in CF, I jjust don’t see hebrings all that much to the Braves we don’t already have.
Like I said – a fair year playing full time, yet you have all the confidence in the world in this klid, yet can’t give credit where due to our own players who didmuch better than all right. Not seeing much rationality here.
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:03 am
But I’d stay away [from Torii Hunter]
Placeholder for Gattis, maybe, if they’re thinking that way. Hunter doesn’t nearly fill the need for more RH sock, though, which would make Uggla’s return to form a bigger bet.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:04 am
so we are trading a starter and JuanFran to “stabilize the back end of the pen”? and here i thought that was one strength of this roster. looks like we are in way deeper doo doo than i imagined..
BP was a strength because Durbin had a good year. He’s an up year/down year kind of guy though, so I wouldn’t bring him back. Also isn’t a power arm, which I’d like to have in the pen. EOF and JV can pitch well against righties, but I’d like to have a RH pitcher I can trust in the 7th or 8th. The only guy like that we currently have is Kimbrel. This pitcher could also pitch against the toughest RH hitters that you probably don’t want Venters or EOF to face.
Arkansas Transplant
November 6th, 2012
11:04 am
I’d really care to trade for Bourjos. I’d rather have Gentry over him plus add Olt to that package.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:07 am
Minor only did it for half a season. Bourjos did it for a full season.
Efrim
November 6th, 2012
11:07 am
Placeholder for Gattis, maybe, if they’re thinking that way.
Are we seriously thinking this way? Like, this guy is our future LF? Man, I would not go that route if I were them. Great story, but I need to see it. And it would be best if they just think of him in a part time role to ease him in. I dunno.
Arkansas Transplant
November 6th, 2012
11:08 am
I don’t see a reason to add someone that we’ll be committed to long term, beside maybe an ace for the top spot in the rotation. Outside of that, we’ll have a lot of options internally for most of these positions over the next couple of years. I say we should stay away from any 4,5 or 6 year offers on the FA market unless we’re getting someone of Hamilton’s stature which isn’t likely to happen.
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:08 am
and here i thought [back end of the bullpen] was one strength of this roster.
Wouldn’t hurt to have a swing-and-miss righty down there. Maybe Venters gets his movement back, maybe not. Some options against RH batters is not a bad idea.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
11:08 am
Hey, IT guy who upgraded the blog and then went on vacation for a month, when you get back to your desk, can you please roll back your changes? You aren’t very good at your job.
I’d love to be on here, staring at ads all day long, but you’re keeping me from doing so with your botched hatchet job of blog upkeep.
Did you start the upgrade and then just blindly hit the “Yes” button as it stepped through the different blog setting questions? Couldn’t pull yourself away from your game of Angry Birds long enough to actually pay attention?
Fix it, doodie head!
Lew
November 6th, 2012
11:08 am
OnlyBraves – I’ll agree with you there – Durbin is iffy two years in a row (though he was suroprisingly good last year) and we DO need a RHRP. Not sure Moylan will be a consideration, though I know many here would love to see him back. Not too sure he still has it after all those surgeries, though.
B MONEY
November 6th, 2012
11:09 am
LaRoche has been at 1B his whole career…but maybe he could play 3b
phil
November 6th, 2012
11:11 am
I suspect Flabsisco would hit at least as well as Uggla, if not better, so why not try his lard butt out at third next year…
It’s not as if we go anywhere in the end anyway, so let’s have at it!
cricket
November 6th, 2012
11:11 am
Hunter doesn’t nearly fill the need for more RH sock
but he will not cost too much, no need to trade away prospects, can play some CF along with LF, can hit about 16 – 20 homers and most importantly, last year he got 92 RBI
Lew
November 6th, 2012
11:14 am
“Maybe Venters gets his movement back”
You mean like he did in his last 28 relief appearances last year where he pitched scoreless outings in 26 of those 28 after returning from the DL?
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:15 am
Are we seriously thinking this way? Like, this guy is our future LF? Man, I would not go that route if I were them.
Yeah, but they may be forced to have their cake and eat it, too. What if there isn’t a good option for LF this year? I mean, that could happen. Maybe they punt on a guy such as Hunter, then look for a better fit next year. At that point, Gattis is probably either in the mix or unlikely to ever be.
Much as I hate it, Willingham may not be available, most of the FA don’t appear all that enticing. I wouldn’t like to see them spend dollars and years on the wrong player, just because the money is burning a hole in their pocket.
cricket
November 6th, 2012
11:16 am
i would like a RH power pitcher in BP too, but would he be so much more valuable compared to, say Durbin, that giving up Hanson and JuanFran for him makes sense?
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:17 am
You mean like he did in his last 28 relief appearances last year where he pitched scoreless outings in 26 of those 28 after returning from the DL?
Scouting the stats, man. No one who watched him could possibly think he was the same pitcher as the year before.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
11:18 am
You mean like he did in his last 28 relief appearances last year where he pitched scoreless outings in 26 of those 28 after returning from the DL?
I still find it disturbing that he only recorded 4 1-2-3 innings over that 28 appearance span… something about a reliever always working with men on base scares me.
He got out of most jams he created, so that’s good, but I wish he wouldn’t create the jams in the first place.
Efrim
November 6th, 2012
11:18 am
Want no part of Durbin. I’d focus a bit more on RH set up man than the Linebrink/Durbin types. Durbin was signed in Spring Training for 900K. Let’s try and get a guy earlier than that.
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:19 am
i would like a RH power pitcher in BP too, but would he be so much more valuable compared to, say Durbin, that giving up Hanson and JuanFran for him makes sense?
You can feel comfortable that no one is going to trade a starter and a bench guy for a setup reliever. I don’t know who would have come up with that scenario.
TNScott
November 6th, 2012
11:19 am
If we make a trade, I’d rather the Braves make pitch, no pun intended, to San Diego for Chase Headley. Leave Prado in LF and sign Pagan. Headley is 28, 3.4 mil last year, SH, and really good stats playing in a ballpark that is nowhere near hitter friendly.
Efrim
November 6th, 2012
11:19 am
Venters was not all that good last year. Out of control, even in the 2nd half. I think he can return to form, but he may not – and a better RH reliever would helpo the situation. There are plenty out there too.
Arkansas Transplant
November 6th, 2012
11:20 am
I wouldn’t like to see them spend dollars and years on the wrong player, just because the money is burning a hole in their pocket.
Amen to that, let’s be smart and look not just at the up and coming season but also keep an eye to the future.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
11:20 am
And no one who watched him could possibly think he was the same pitcher as he was early in the year.
keyLargo
November 6th, 2012
11:26 am
Oh I don’t know. Getting a big bat 35 homer guy for CF who k’s less than 166 times with serviceable defense might just make me forget about Bourn.
The last one of those I can remember was chemically enhanced and had a Home Run bounce of his head.
phil
November 6th, 2012
11:26 am
Venters was shaky, at best….
cricket
November 6th, 2012
11:30 am
You can feel comfortable that no one is going to trade a starter and a bench guy for a setup reliever. I don’t know who would have come up with that scenario.
i am naming names
TheOnlyBravesFan at 10:34 am
btw – Cody Ross wants a three-year, $25 million deal
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:30 am
JV did improve on his 1st half, but he still wasn’t the dominant reliever of 2010-1. Very few 1-2-3 innings recorded, as Murph showed.
old man
November 6th, 2012
11:31 am
richbrave, my Spanish sucks, but it looks like Francisco has 2HRs and is hitting .290 in about 8 games played. Right?
Not much to those numbers, one way or the other. Can you keep his numbers posted for us?
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 6th, 2012
11:31 am
Murph
November 6th, 2012
10:47 am
Kimbrel probably on track to receive $7 million in 2014, $10 million in 2015 and $13 million in 2016 through arbitration.
I just can’t comprehend paying a bullpen guy, even one as awesome as Kimbrel, $13mil a season. Does not compute
I don’t want to get into this discussion already but when the time comes if there is one guy I would pay it would be Kimbrel. I know a lot can happen from now until then but given what I’ve seen the last 2 years from this guy he definitely deserves it. If there is one consistent thing on this team right now it’s our closer. He is worth the price of admission to watch this guy pitch. Closers like him don’t come around often and we are lucky he’s in the Braves pen, he makes the best hitters look silly.
cricket
November 6th, 2012
11:33 am
Kyuji Fujikawa is available
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:33 am
You can feel comfortable that no one is going to trade a starter and a bench guy for a setup reliever
Angels just did something similar… got a good lefty specialist. Hanson is cheaper, possibly better. Diamondbacks need a 3B. Throw those 2 together, we can get a very good setup-man, not a specialist. Sounds good to me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:33 am
btw – Cody Ross wants a three-year, $25 million deal
That’s all? Do it! Unless of course, Pence becomes available
Delgado/Teheran+ is worth that extra mil in salary. To me, at least.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:34 am
r. I don’t know who would have come up with that scenario.
i am naming names ….TheOnlyBravesFan at 10:34 am
TheOnlyCrazyTradeManFan
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:35 am
btw – Cody Ross wants a three-year, $25 million deal
How much for the other half of the platoon?
George_George
November 6th, 2012
11:37 am
Lew
November 6th, 2012
11:14 am
“Maybe Venters gets his movement back”
You mean like he did in his last 28 relief appearances last year where he pitched scoreless outings in 26 of those 28 after returning from the DL?
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Good morning all
I thought FREDI ruined VENTERS. but if Lew’s 26 of 28 is correct, then VENTERS is not compleatly ruined, of course something was wrong with him, he was on DL.
raleighbravefan
November 6th, 2012
11:43 am
Lew – I understand why a few would have legit concerns Re Minor, consider small sample size. I believe it’s mostly about confidence, and his potential was always there.
That said, I believe most of the “doubters” just don’t wish to admit that they may be wrong about minor, and would prefer to continue to B & moan that he was drafted to high, and that we waste that pick.
cricket
November 6th, 2012
11:43 am
George_George admitting the possibility that something in this universe may not be completely Fredi’s fault?
can folks with window access check if pigs are flying?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:46 am
JV only recorded a WHIP under 1.300 in 1 month. September. He also pitched to a lesser K/9 rate in the 2nd half.
In 2010-1, save September of 2011, he had pitched to a WHIP under 1.200 every month.
JV was nowhere near being the same pitcher at any point of 2012 that he had been in prior years.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:47 am
In 2010-11, save September of both years, he had pitched to a WHIP under 1.200 every month.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 6th, 2012
11:47 am
Maybe they punt on a guy such as Hunter, then look for a better fit next year. At that point, Gattis is probably either in the mix or unlikely to ever be. — ncscoots
If I were FW, and Willinghham were not available at an acceptable price, that is exactly what I would do. The financial upside to Gattis being able to do that job is immense. If you want to be struck by lightening, sometimes you’ve got to stand in the rain.
jeffrey d
November 6th, 2012
11:47 am
Of course it was Fredi
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:49 am
just don’t wish to admit that they may be wrong about minor
I’ll be more than happy to admit being wrong about Minor, just as soon as he pitches to a sub-3 ERA over 200+ innings in a single season.
Until then, I’d say evaluation of the youngster is still up for grabs.
raleighbravefan
November 6th, 2012
11:49 am
I’ve never had a comment that is “awaiting moderation” actually post. Thus the revision.
ncscoots
November 6th, 2012
11:51 am
If you want to be struck by lightening, sometimes you’ve got to stand in the rain.
This is true. ‘Course, they’ll be using a leaky umbrella for 2013 in that scenario, too, so depends on how wet you’re willing to get.
George_George
November 6th, 2012
11:51 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:46 am
JV only recorded a WHIP under 1.300 in 1 month. September. He also pitched to a lesser K/9 rate in the 2nd half.
In 2010-1, save September of 2011, he had pitched to a WHIP under 1.200 every month.
JV was nowhere near being the same pitcher at any point of 2012 that he had been in prior years.
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THANK YOU
jeffrey d
November 6th, 2012
11:52 am
We can’t say “B”? That’ll spoil one of my favorite nicknames (for Mitchell)
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
11:58 am
I believe most of the “doubters” just don’t wish to admit that they may be wrong about minor
I’ll do it when he pitches to a sub 3.00 ERA for an entire season. Until then, I’ll still stick with the scouting reports on him being a 3-4 pitcher. I’m not gonna say he’s a great pitcher off of 1 half. I’d do the same for a hitter as well. I need to see it done for a full season.
I’m not even a hater on him anyway… I much prefer him to Hanson, even when he was struggling. I knew he’d get better at some point.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 6th, 2012
12:02 pm
depends on how wet you’re willing to get.
With a short term signing, at least you’re only wet for a year.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:02 pm
1. Schafer (CF)
2. Prado (3B)
3. Heyward (RF)
4. Gattis (LF)
5. Freeman (1B)
6. Uggla (2B)
7. McCann (C)
8. Simmons (SS)
I’ve got $1 that says this is our lineup next season… maybe with some batting order changes like a swap of Uggla and Gattis, but the players will remain the same.
First taker gets the action.
old man
November 6th, 2012
12:06 pm
Did Juan Francisco get suspended for Sunday’s game by the Licey Tigers because he would not take off his earrings during a game???? Can anyone confirm that?
He seems to have 17 Ks in 16 games. Also not good. But his photo from last night gives the impression of being slimmed down a bit:
http://www.diariodigital.com.do/articulo.php?id=22653
Somebody needs to slap the crap out of him to make him realize that he could land a nice mid-level free agent deal someday, on the order of several million dollars, if he would just get serious about his occupation.
Very frustrating.
abeeeewright
November 6th, 2012
12:06 pm
Venters velocity was way down for 2012. After the DL stint, some of the velocity came back (hitting 95 instead of 97-98). But, he just wasn’t right all year long.
Hopefully, it was an off year with some unexpected aches and pains from two years of brutal workload and we see the 2011 Jonny Venters back again.
raleighbravefan
November 6th, 2012
12:09 pm
scoots – I was not referring to you in that comment. I count you in the “few that have legit concerns” category.
raleighbravefan
November 6th, 2012
12:12 pm
jeffrey – Using “B” was the revision to get it to post.
P-Town Brave ©
November 6th, 2012
12:12 pm
Happy late morning to you guys….
I see that even after being gone for a few days the same group of collective douchebags are still being discussed….
How goes it Murph, Lew, Efrim, BP, Scoots, TOBF…
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
12:12 pm
Somebody needs to slap the crap out of him (Francisco)
May I?
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 6th, 2012
12:15 pm
Murph, I’d take you dollar. Even if some horrible circumstance results in Schafer for CF, there’s no way they would bat him lead-off right away. No way.
Bat Masterson
November 6th, 2012
12:15 pm
I don’t think Ears will start in center. More likely a late inning defensive replacement for Biff.
P-Town Brave ©
November 6th, 2012
12:17 pm
BP-
Not sure if you stuck around, but I broke down and got WWE 13 and a couple other games during the B2G1 sale at Target….
And I can’t put 13 down during the little free time I get….I have found myself getting off work, making my drive, and then going right to the man cave and picking up the controller when I get home….
I got it for PS3 too because I found out that you can play w/ 6 offline players on PS3 instead of 4 on the XBox and the PS3 makes it easier to copy and load custom theme music to it…..
Anyways, the Attitude Era mode has to be by FAR the best I think I have ever seen…just great stuff…and if you haven’t give that mode a play….they took video montages and all the audio throughout the 90s and incorporated it directly into the mode…just amazing stuff
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:18 pm
What’s up PT? How’s The Show going?
I still haven’t fired it back up… I’ll probably do so after the Braves make a move or two. I need to create a realistic version of Gattis and get him on the team, see how he does in a simulated season or two.
You’re a big South Park fan, right? Just heard this morning that THQ is delaying their new South Park title… and with the way they are going, they just might be out of business before it gets released.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:19 pm
Enquiring Minds, before you accept the bet, take note of my post where I included the disclaimer that the batting order might be different than what I listed, but that the players would remain the same.
The bet is not batting order specific, in other words. Just player specific.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 6th, 2012
12:24 pm
Murph, I accept the bet with the following caveat: The only way Schafer starts for the Braves is if the player they sign for that position, be it by free agency or trade, is injured in spring training. But that’s OK. I’ll take your dollar.
old man
November 6th, 2012
12:26 pm
Is it true Juan Francisco was suspended for Sunday’s Dominican league game because he would not take off his earrings? What a dilbert. And he has 17 Ks in 16 games?
But his photo from last night looks much slimmed down, or am I dreaming?
http://www.diariodigital.com.do/articulo.php?id=22653
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:27 pm
Murph – I could see a scena where they might put Gattis in LF and let him go for it, but just not seeing both CF and LF filled from within the organization with as much money as they have to spend. IF the use Gattis in LF, they will have signed a Free Agent for CF – maybe Pagan or Victorino – of course they WILL overpay, but not seeing them pocket the bucks and go with what already here.
P-Town Brave ©
November 6th, 2012
12:31 pm
Murph-
Put it down for a bit to play some WWE 13….but last I played I got dealt during the offseason to the Cardinals after missing the last 52 games from the Royals breaking my leg on a slide into 3b after a triple….
I was headed into my first arbitration year and the Royals wanted to low ball me w/ a 2M offer and I wouldn’t sign the offer sheet so they dealt me to St. Louis for a couple starting players and then St Louis only offered me 3M…..I went to an arbitration hearing and I asked the board for 8M and won the hearing….just wish they could figure out how to make money mean something next year….because frankly all it is now is me trying to amass the most and make it worthwhile towards the teams overall budget….
My Cardinal team is stacked though w/ Salty catching, Craig at 1b, Freese moved to 2b, Alcides Escobar at SS, Adrian Beltre at 3b, Holliday in LF, me in CF, and Beltran in RF w/ a rotation that includes David Price, Ian Kennedy, Adam Wainwright, and Lance Lynn…..just overall a great team and FINALLY I may be on a team that has a chance to make the playoffs after 2 years in Miami w/ a last place club and a year and 1/2 w/ KC where the highest they finished was 3rd.
And yes, THQ is in serious trouble….given WWE 13 is their major title, I am a bit worried about patches for the game or DLC updates that are scheduled to come out the next 3 months….
That said, I am curious as to what another company would do w/ Universe and the RPG story modes if given a shot.
CB
November 6th, 2012
12:31 pm
Dang,you guys need a $1 that bad I will send you one. Just post your full name,SS,and address and I will mail.
Shaun
November 6th, 2012
12:31 pm
Murph and PT, if you check the online roster vault for MLB 12 The Show, you can find OS Full Minors from the beginning of the season. I’m pretty sure this would have Gattis.
From what I understand a group of guys creates the real players that fill all of the minor league rosters on the game.
Also, I have my doubts that Schafer and Gattis will be the Opening Day starters in center and left, barring injuries. I think it’s more likely that Gattis will be in there but I think that’s even a long shot. Unless he completely destroys Spring Training pitching, I think he’ll spend at least a couple of months in Triple-A.
How about BJ Upton for center and Torii Hunter for left, if they think Gattis is for real as a starter in left. Hunter would provide a nice, relatively cheap short-term answer in left giving Gattis a chance to get more reps in Triple-A. And if Hunter is making, say, around $20M over 2 years, he should be fairly easy to trade for some value at some point.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
CB – You going to deduct the cost of the stamp?
Madison
November 6th, 2012
12:33 pm
good one here that i agree with: MLB Free-Agency: Destination Predictions for 15 of The Best Available Players – http://gral.in/mlb15
Shaun
November 6th, 2012
12:34 pm
Lew, could you define “overpay.” Not trying to be smart, honestly. I just don’t know if you realize how costly wins are on the free agent market. I don’t know that Pagan will be a bargain but I think there is a decent shot that Victorino actually will be, even if it seems like an overpay to you.
Chris
November 6th, 2012
12:34 pm
Enter your comments here
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 6th, 2012
12:36 pm
Geeze CB, lighten up.
CB
November 6th, 2012
12:36 pm
Lew,nah, I think I could handle that too.
CB
November 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
Enquiring, maybe it was a joke. Duh
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:38 pm
Lew, I know it’s not all that rational, but I can’t help but see a situation where the team pursues player after player only to watch them sign or get traded elsewhere.
I doubt that will happen, but it’s a possibility. The thought of Gattis in LF really intrigues me… it would make for a good story at the very least. If he continues to progress… well, who knows? Stranger things have happened in baseball.
Schafer in CF wouldn’t be all that much worse than Bourjos or Revere, two guys that have been talked about quite a bit over the last few months. He could also start to live up to his potential a little and maybe not be atrocious, or at least less atrocious than he’s been.
If BMac and Uggla return to form that’s still a very dangerous lineup 2-7. Prado, Heyward, Freeman, etc… not too shabby.
P-Town Brave ©
November 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
Shaun-
What do you mean by online vault?
Its not just the roster update where I get the screen on the game’s opening menu?
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:40 pm
Sahun – I’ll try. I think any player you get through Free Agency will likely cost more (due to the lack of quality players available in part -in part to the upcoming TV deals which will put much more $$$ in play) than most would realllike to pay or think is reasonable. Salaries in general are going to escalate and mid market teams will find the prices more prohibitive than usual.
Considering we actually have money for a change and have needs, we’ll overpay to get the player we want.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:41 pm
And will likely overpay in a trade, too.
Efrim
November 6th, 2012
12:41 pm
David Lee @David11Lee
Since Frank Wren became GM, the Braves’ highest-paid reliever is Billy Wagner at $6.75m. Papelbon will make $13m each of the next 3 years.
Good point. He will not pay big for relievers, and I don’t think that will change.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:45 pm
Murph – I see your point, but I think the Braves would radically overpay to get one of those two outfielders before they’d fill boith with already available players. Gattis might, indeed, be a worthwhile candidate to take a chance on, but if Wren ends up going with Schafer in CF, he won’t remain employed much longer IMO – nor will he deserve to.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
Overpay! Overpay! 18mil for Bourn. 12-15mil for Pagan. At least 30% more than they’re worth, and their are in/past their prime.
19mil for Greinke, who’s just about to reach his prime. Hmmmm
CB
November 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
Lew,why don’t we do the American way? We know we have money coming next year for national tv contracts,why don’t we use our credit cards and spend,spend,spend? It’s worked for our government for many years.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
Murph and PT, if you check the online roster vault for MLB 12 The Show, you can find OS Full Minors from the beginning of the season. I’m pretty sure this would have Gattis.
I’ll definitely check that out. Thanks for the info.
RC
November 6th, 2012
12:46 pm
If he became available, what % of Carl Crawford’s contract would the Dodgers have to eat for him to interest you as the Braves LF and leadoff man next year? He’s set to make a little over $20 million/year through 2017. At age 31, with his injury history, I’d think the Dodgers would have to eat around 60% of the remaining salary on that contract for the Braves to even consider it.
But if they were willing to eat that much? It’d certainly be worth looking into (especially if combined with a solid CF).
Shaun
November 6th, 2012
12:47 pm
P-Town Brave, I forget what the menu is called to get online. Maybe “Announcements.” But under that menu, you’ll go online and you should see a menu that’s called “Roster Vault” I believe. You can sort the rosters by ratings or downloads. OSFM (Operation Sports Full Minors) is probably one of the most downloaded. It will be the Opening Day rosters with pretty much every key minor leaguer you can think of.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
I didn’t realize Geinke could play LF or CF – cause that’s what we need to fill – not pitcher.
Patrick
November 6th, 2012
12:48 pm
I am predicting a very disappointing offseaon for the Braves this year.
One thing that will definitely happen though is show the entire Braves fan base two things.
1. It will show every Braves fan how tight pocketed the owners are or aren’t.
and
2. This offseason will show Wren’s true makeup as a GM. His creativity (or lack thereof). His schrewdness (if he has any). And also how much of a pushover he is (examples: The Dempster trade that saved Wren from making potential and probably his worst trade as GM of the Braves) and the subsequest trade that followed by giving up one of our top 3 prospects for a bench player (who did very little) and a #4 starter. Trading Arodys was a big mistake and also unnnecessary, I have always said on here that a better GM could have gotten those two players without having to give up one of the organizations top 3 prospects…and I still firmly believe that.
So, if nothing else, the offseason will reveal a lot of truths that I believe the Braves have been pretty good at hiding so far. Including the biggest lie of all which is their stance on trying to put together “a championship calibur team”. I really think by the new year, we’ll all know that is a bunch of BS!
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:50 pm
But of course several years ago we needed pitching and traded a KIng’s Ransom for Teixeira. Worked well, didn’t it?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
12:50 pm
why don’t we do the American way? We know we have money coming next year for national tv contracts,why don’t we use our credit cards and spend,spend,spend? It’s worked for our government for many years.
Shaun
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Lew, I guess my point is that salaries have always escalated over time, to one degree or another, for one reason or another. If a team is paying reasonable dollars for a player’s performance relative to the market, I don’t really consider that overpaying. The market (the price for wins on the free agent market) is often going to change.
Oh, and of course teams are going to pay more for players on the free agent market because that’s the freest market in the game. The player market before free agency is always going to suppress salaries relative to the market for wins on the free agent market, again, because the free agent market is truly a free market.
jeffrey d
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
I didn’t realize Geinke could play LF or CF – cause that’s what we need to fill – not pitcher.
So the Braves can only work on one thing at a time?
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Patrick with yet another Wendy Downer post. Of course it bears little resemblance to reality, but when has that ever stopped anyone here in DOBLand?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
12:52 pm
Zack Greinke, SP
Prediction: Los Angeles Angels (7 years/$170 million)
LA traded away the heavens and the earth to acquire Greinke, trading off three top-25 organizational prospects to land the ace pitcher for effectively only a couple guaranteed months in late July.
Traded the heavens and the earth? Sure…. they traded some very risky prospects. Can’t see him getting that much anyway
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 6th, 2012
12:54 pm
I didn’t realize Geinke could play LF or CF – cause that’s what we need to fill – not pitcher.
Impossible to multi-task or look ahead? Alright.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:54 pm
No, they could work on a couple things at one time IF that’s what they actually needed to do – but they don’t. They need a LFer/3B and a CFer. Like I said – Greinke doesn;t play outifeld or 3B.
Murph
November 6th, 2012
12:55 pm
Has that big check from the new national TV deal been confirmed by anyone? Will the Braves and everyone else really be getting all those extra millions and millions of dollars?
If true, I wonder what that means to the future of contracts… will FA prices go up as well with all of these teams now having an extra large bank account? Will teams like the Royals go all-in on FA pitchers and drive up the prices for everyone else?
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:56 pm
Obnstinate damned fools. But what’s new.
Jeff R
November 6th, 2012
12:56 pm
But of course several years ago we needed pitching and traded a KIng’s Ransom for Teixeira. Worked well, didn’t it?
Yep, that was a good one. I don’t think Braves’ execs are over the trauma.
Lew
November 6th, 2012
12:58 pm
Murph – From what I;ve heard it is a done deal and the money comes into play next year (though I see lots of people mortgaging the future soimewhat this year). And yes, it will raise prices.