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TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
2) Which team will sign Zack Greinke? For how many years and how much money?
Responses: Los Angeles Angels 11; Los Angeles Dodgers 6; Atlanta 2; Texas 1; Kansas City 1; Milwaukee 1.
“He’s an elite pitcher,” a National League front office man said. “He’s a different cat, but he’s very meticulous and competitive. He has great command and great stuff and he’s very athletic. As much as any of these guys, he will take his turn and give you a great effort. I don’t think he’s a gamble at all.”
A National League scout was more circumspect.
“He doesn’t dominate as much as he used to,” the scout said. “The guy is a gifted pitcher, no question. But I don’t think he’s that shutdown, slam-dunk guy anymore. He has to work harder for his outs than he did in the past. The year he won the Cy Young [in 2009], he was the best pitcher in the American League by far. He was Maddux-esque with his ability to add and subtract off his fastball. It was absolutely incredible what he could do with the baseball. I don’t know if it’s age or innings or what, but I haven’t seen him quite come back to that. He’s more of a No. 2 now for me.”
I agree with the front-office man (duh!), but even if he’s only a #2 as the second scout says, that’s pretty good. We don’t have a #2 right now. But boy, I sure hope those 2 guys who picked Atlanta are right….
6) After Zack Greinke, which free-agent starter do you think will be the best signing — Anibal Sanchez, Edwin Jackson, Kyle Lohse, Ryan Dempster or Dan Haren?
Responses: Sanchez 14; Jackson 3; Haren 3; Lohse 1. One American League GM took a pass. “I’m not sure any of them will be good signs,” he said.
Gotta agree. None of those guys are really good. Haren’s probably the best, but that’s not saying much.
Shaun
November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
Here’s Fangraphs’ 25 best and 5 worst free agent values: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-25-best-and-five-worst-free-agent-values/
I know it’s a Fangraphs’ assessment so it doesn’t count
but I thought I’d post the link anyway.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
1:23 pm
the biggest determinant by far for leadoff should be OBP followed by base running ability
fewer Ks might be nice but that is down the list a ways
Thank you for the link DOB. Pretty realistic I think
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
1:25 pm
DS1…… How many times did bourn strike out with less than 2 out? An adam jones or mccutchen or granderson would be nice but it is what it is
raleighbravefan
November 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
phil – Is there anyone that you don’t have a low opinion of?
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
1:28 pm
No. You can’t. Unless by “similarly”, you mean “not in the same zipcode, but maybe the same universe.”
defensively… the offense is a work in progress, yes, but his offensive stats are better than Bourn through age 25. I don’t think he’s a bad hitter. He just needs to play.
But if Hunter is leaving, there’s a good chance he won’t be available.
Yep. Hunter needs to go back. Fan favorite as well. If he doesn’t go back, we may go after him. Hunter’s a nice player, but I’d rather have 3-4 years of a young Bourjos (with a possibility for a long-term stay), than 2 years of Hunter, and then he’s gone.
cricket
November 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
from DOB’s link -
the Giants could opt to non-tender Hunter Pence rather than pay him $12 million-plus in salary arbitration.
so, braves sign him?
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
and at worst hit like Bourn did in the 2nd half of the season. Where we had a better winning %.
This is a totally specious argument. Bourn’s splits half-to-half in his career are close to identical. Yet, you would base his offensive worth on a single bad half in 2012 while chalking up Bourjos’ career feebleness to whatever straw in the wind you manage to to grasp. This is not a logical argument, and does nothing to further your championing of Peter Bourjos. Who, by the way, is a scrub of the first order and has no place getting 500 PAs on a team that deems itself a contender.
Juan
November 5th, 2012
1:29 pm
Realitic of the Braves Org.
The Braves will not sign any mayor free Agent this Year….Opening Day Outfieder:
LF= Constanza/Johnson/Gattis, CF= Schaefer/Johnson Rf= Jason(Gold Glove) Heyward.
They will sign Reed Josnson,David Ross. and that it’s folks….same mo….same mo
nolie
November 5th, 2012
1:32 pm
this site is SUCH a PITA
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
1:33 pm
phil – Is there anyone that you don’t have a low opinion of?
phil and I are starting to get on the same bandwagon, I think, LOL. At least, when it comes to the names mentioned here as possible acquisitions.
DAP
November 5th, 2012
1:33 pm
DS1 How many times did Bourn K with runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs. (or better yet, what was his rate of K’s in that situation).
9 times in 50 PAs. thats 18%.
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
1:36 pm
I believe the braves make a trade to get a center fielder and we part with either delgado or tehran…. thats the only way I see them getting a cf unless bourn tells boras to screw and signs with the braves for 10 mill a season
DAP
November 5th, 2012
1:36 pm
whoops, sorry DS1, thats WITH 2 outs. RISP and less than 2 out is 15 times in 67 PAs. thats 22%.
DS1 (getting a thrill up my leg!)
November 5th, 2012
1:38 pm
DAP
That’s a lot better than I though it would be four shore.
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
1:38 pm
9 times in 50 PAs. thats 18%.
And, as expected, that game scenario just doesn’t come up all that often for a leadoff guy. The Ks just aren’t that much more meaningful than outs as a whole for the guy hitting 1.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
1:39 pm
so, braves sign him (Pence)?
Sure hope so.
Bourn’s splits half-to-half in his career are close to identical.
Yes, I know. But in 2012, when he had a bad half, our team still did fine. It would be nice to get a great hitting CF, but as there are few (or no) good CF on the market, I’d at least consider using a cheaper player who has the potential offensively, while keeping my up the middle defense strong.
DS1 (getting a thrill up my leg!)
November 5th, 2012
1:40 pm
Elite: McCutchen, Wright, Headley, Braun, and ???
Pretty Darned Good Slugger: Willingham and ???
scoots, fill in the rest of the blanks there as to whom would be good enough to suit you (not being snarky, just curious)
Burrito Time, back in a bit…
nolie
November 5th, 2012
1:41 pm
well if it doesn’t matter what our CFer hiys, just throw Georgie out there then
Bay Area Steve
November 5th, 2012
1:45 pm
“braves sign him (Pence)?”
I hope not. I can’t believe how many RH sliders he swung through with the Giants. Maybe just slumping, but dude looked blind to anything with even a hint of spin. He’s gonna get, minimum, 4 and 10, if the Giants non-tender? More? Seems like the Giants’ll have to pay him, to keep the obligation to one year. But, they didn’t offer Pagan, so who knows what they’re doing.
I just don’t know if I could take it. He’s gonna swing and miss more than Uggla, and look a whole lot more goofier doing it.
phil
November 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
raleighbravefan
November 5th, 2012
1:27 pm
phil – Is there anyone that you don’t have a low opinion of?
************
You wear yourself out worrying about my opinions. Plenty of folks, since you ask.
But did we win one single playoff game with Bourn out there? Did he not strike out repeatedly down the stretch? With the bases loaded on two straight fastballs right down the middle in the bottom of the eighth with the year on the line? I’m sick of his pouting crap and don’t want to spend umpteen millions on the guy. He isn’t worth it.
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
ellsbury wouldnt be a bad piece to add (through trade) but he has boras as his agent
JoeFan
November 5th, 2012
1:46 pm
Gattis, unless he forgets how to hit or the Braves need him behind the plate will be the opening day left fielder. Wren will use the extra money to find a centerfielder and maybe even go after a Grienke. The wildcard will be whether Liberty Media says just send us the extra cash. Otherwise the Braves should be able to upgrade in several areas.
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
1:48 pm
well said phil!
phil
November 5th, 2012
1:48 pm
Or maybe he is….
How the hell would I know.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
1:48 pm
Seriously doubt that Joe
Gary O.
November 5th, 2012
1:50 pm
I think the Braves will end up signing Pagan for CF and trade for Willingham to play LF. And of course, I have nothing to back it up (not even Ms Cleo’s crystal ball)
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
1:50 pm
well if it doesn’t matter what our CFer hits, just throw Georgie out there then
Georgie isn’t a good defender….. Also doesn’t have the SLG ability that Bourjos does.
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
DOB are you going to the winter meetings this week?
cricket
November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
sign Pagan and Hunter and call it a day..
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
1:56 pm
well if it doesn’t matter what our CFer hiys, just throw Georgie out there then
Truthfully, I have some days when I think these guys will do something only marginally better than that, and half the folks here will believe they’re practically in the WS. I’m being beaten down by the constant mentions of the possible acquisitions who provide near-zero improvement to the team, I guess. Maybe I’ll buck up after the meetings.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
1:59 pm
agree scoots, with the money we have why in the world would folks talk about Bourjos etc, if we can’t get two quality players this winter when in the hell are we gonna get them?
GaryinBham
November 5th, 2012
2:01 pm
If we had J-Hey, Pagan and Willingham for opening day OF, with Freeman, Uggla, Simmons and Prado for IF, David Ross with Schafer and Gattis to back up (Gattis functioning as an additional catcher), I’d like our chances. It’s a good, not great, lineup. Nobody there yet with Chipper’s “rise to the moment,” but we could be in the hunt. Be better if Josh Hamilton was there, but ain’t no way. Willingham is solid. We missed out on him last time around. What a difference it would have made.
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:02 pm
if we can’t get two quality players this winter when in the hell are we gonna get them?>/i>
Damifiknow.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
2:03 pm
if we can’t get two quality players this winter when in the hell are we gonna get them?
Very few quality players in the FA market this winter, or even next. Our farm isn’t great either.
I can easily think of 1 quality player we can get, but he’s a pitcher. We supposedly don’t need one though….
On the hitting side, who of quality is truly available on the FA market, or on the trade? Pence/Willingham/Gordon haven’t been shopped. And we may not even be able to offer enough to get any of those.
phil
November 5th, 2012
2:04 pm
If this Gattis guy hits as much as .250 over the course of next season, minimum 200 PA, I will eat roadkill, live on the blog…
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:05 pm
Very few quality players in the FA market this winter, or even next.
that’s why hunter (2 yrs) and pagan (3/4 yrs) makes sense, also fit the budget
phil
November 5th, 2012
2:06 pm
And I would LOVE for Gattis to light things up….is that clear enough for those out there concerned with what I think?
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:06 pm
we have no idea who might be available in the trade market, and there are a few free agents worth pursuing
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:07 pm
the thing with gattis is they have to decide now if he is gonna start in LF next season and it is perhaps too early to make that decision with no AAA and no spring training to look at
David O'Brien
November 5th, 2012
2:10 pm
DOB are you going to the winter meetings this week? — BravesFanInMaine
Winter Meetings aren’t till next month in Nashville. This week is the GM Meetings in Indian Wells, Calif. Yes, I’m going.
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:11 pm
the thing with gattis is they have to decide now if he is gonna start in LF next season and it is perhaps too early to make that decision with no AAA and no spring training to look at
I’m a fan of the guy, and even I think it would be insane to insert him into LF next year. That’s hanging off the ledge with all ten toes.
jeffrey d
November 5th, 2012
2:13 pm
the thing with gattis is they have to decide now if he is gonna start in LF next season and it is perhaps too early to make that decision with no AAA and no spring training to look at
I’m worried he’ll be too good for the majors. What comes after the majors?
BravesFanInMaine
November 5th, 2012
2:15 pm
Thanks DOB…. I will look forward to some gm talk…. always have excellent points Dave
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:19 pm
I’m worried he’ll be too good for the majors. What comes after the majors?
HOF.
Seriously, there are some ways to go, if they get the good feeling on Gattis for 2014. They could go for a thumper in CF (and that’s really only Upton, among the FA), get a vet with a one-and-option for LF, and give Gattis 300 ABs at AAA to make or break. But you can’t get some light-hitting CF, plus some marginal guy in LF, plus risk Gattis going bust. That would be a bad, bad idea.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:23 pm
Pagan and Hunter
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
2:24 pm
I’m a fan of the guy, and even I think it would be insane to insert him into LF next year. That’s hanging off the ledge with all ten toes.
Why exactly? He just keeps hitting, I don’t see why that can’t be an option. Sure, I’d like to have Willingham or Pence out there, but if/when Gattis comes up, he’d be a starter. Don’t want him blocked.
Simmons almost made the big-club in ST when he’d only played A+. Uggla (probably the closest player to Gattis) never played in AAA. Heyward hardly played AAA. McCann only had 40+ AA games before he was called up. Even Bourn only played 38 AAA games.
If they see something special in him (which I believe they do, and I can’t blame them, look at his stats), I’d have no problem with him starting in LF on Opening Day.
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:26 pm
that’s why hunter (2 yrs) and pagan (3/4 yrs) makes sense, also fit the budget …cricket
Pagan and Hunter…nolie
i think this pretty much seals it
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:26 pm
Pagan and Hunter
Maybe, I guess. I don’t think that actually addresses the issue of RH OF sock for 2013 (and it’s probably the worst use of $20MM I’ll ever see in my lifetime), but I could see that, in a big-picture-down-the-road sorta way.
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
2:26 pm
How much can we really read into those winter-league games anyway…. if Gattis plays the whole season, and performs really well, could that count as a AA/AAA trial?
Murph
November 5th, 2012
2:27 pm
Why exactly? He just keeps hitting,
Hitting against AA and Venezuelan league pitching is one thing, but hitting against Strasburg or Halladay is going to be a little different.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:27 pm
yeah but you have no problem with a schlub like Bourjos either. Bourjos and gattis= potential recipe for disaster
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:28 pm
Bourjos and gattis= potential recipe for disaster
I just threw up a little.
richbrave
November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
RHRP WIRFIN OBISPO has been out three times in relief for the ORIENTE STARS in the DOMINICAN LEAGUE. 3.60 ERA, 0.67 GO/AO, .200 AvgAg, 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 2 BB, 6 SO
Shaun
November 5th, 2012
2:29 pm
nolie and ncscoots, they could get some sort of decent player for leftfield who wouldn’t kill them if Gattis isn’t ready and could be a bench guy or a platoon guy if Gattis is ready. But a better strategy is probably to go get the biggest impact leftfielder (and centerfielder) that fits in to their budget and/or trade scenarios and let the Gattis situation work itself out in some way. If Gattis shows that he can’t be kept in the minors any longer, after the Braves have signed impact outfielders, it will be a nice problem to have.
They could have Gattis catch this coming season in Triple-A in case McCann walks the following year. Even if Gattis is merely an okay hitter once he reaches the big leagues, if he can catch, he’ll provide plenty of value.
What happens with Gattis may depend on what happens in the free agent and trade markets this off-season.
kenhotlanta
November 5th, 2012
2:30 pm
Murph: I didn’t realize you were in the insurance business, I thought you ran a strip club.
My mailbox is overflowing with Medicare Supplement offers and they are very confusing…any suggestions on a good reasonable choice?
richbrave
November 5th, 2012
2:32 pm
“……If they see something special in him (which I believe they do, and I can’t blame them, look at his stats), I’d have no problem with him starting in LF on Opening Day……TOBF
Now you talkin’
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
November 5th, 2012
2:33 pm
Nolie, would you rather have Pence bat clean-up, or double up lefties with Freeman no. 4?
phil
November 5th, 2012
2:34 pm
I’m exhausted from the late night at the Dome and the long wait in traffic and drive home….
But it was worth it to see us go 8-0.
Are we really 8-0? The Falcons? I never, ever, for a second, thought I would live to see such a thing.
Of course, we still haven’t won a playoff game under this regime. Sound familiar?
Murph
November 5th, 2012
2:41 pm
Murph: I didn’t realize you were in the insurance business, I thought you ran a strip club.
I sell stripper insurance.
Juan
November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm
It Jordan Parraz still in the Braves Org?…..He start playing in the Dominican
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm
yes Shaun, I’m just saying that they will have to make that decision now, maybe they will and maybe they won’t. but two unproven bats like Bourjos and Gattis could be disastrous IMO
DAP
November 5th, 2012
2:42 pm
how about victorino and willingham? that and a couple of bench/bullpen guys and we in bidniss.
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:44 pm
I am a big Bourjos booster, but I agree that planning on a Bourjos/Gattis duo is uber risky. We need to work over the winter on the assumption that Gattis is AAA, maybe on the bench in ATL until McCann is back.
But dangit, Gattis has progressed very quickly, and his plate discipline is really unbelievable for a power hitter. And his age, which seems to explain his maturity, is a factor. What a luxury, to be in the position of having an extra OFer with power and market appeal, during the first half of the season before the trade deadline. If we have a pitcher break down in May or June, we could really look at that as a godsend.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
2:47 pm
yes Gattis is very promising from a numbers standpoint so far. hopefully it is not a mirage. I only saw the one at bat so I have no way to evaluate him.
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:47 pm
Murph, “I sell stripper insurance.”
What does that cover, exactly? Falling off of tables?
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:49 pm
I suppose the coverage is voided if you don’t have any, er . . . coverage.
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm
Melky Cabrera is the Giants’ finalist for the “Heart and Hustle” award..
http://mlbpaa.mlb.com/mlbpaa/news/heartandhustle.jsp
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm
phil
November 5th, 2012
2:34 pm
I’m exhausted from the late night at the Dome and the long wait in traffic and drive home….
But it was worth it to see us go 8-0.
Are we really 8-0? The Falcons? I never, ever, for a second, thought I would live to see such a thing.
Of course, we still haven’t won a playoff game under this regime. Sound familiar?
Remember 2010? Eerily similar to that year. After what happened to the Falcons courtesy of my Packers I bet most Falcon fans would hate to see Rodgers and Co. coming to the dome this year again in the Playoffs.
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm
meant to say if you HAVE coverage.
(distracted by mental image)
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
2:50 pm
What does that cover, exactly? Falling off of tables?
Popped g-strings, broken six-inch heels, like that. Not much money, but great claims estimates.
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:52 pm
Are there any “openings” for “adjusters” in that line of work?
old man
November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm
Forget it. I’m so old, I probably don’t meet the minimum job qualifications.
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm
Joel Peralta will be staying in Tampa Bay, as the free agent reliever and the Rays have agreed to a two-year, $6 million contract with a team option for 2015.
penny-pinching Rays make this move..how does it compare to EOF situation with braves?
Bay Area Steve
November 5th, 2012
2:53 pm
Nicely played, old man. Both times.
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:54 pm
how about victorino and willingham?
i think that’s my entry in Murph’s “what will braves do?” contest from other day
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:55 pm
now i have to fly more southwest bcim unemployed and out money need help
— Ozzie Guillen (@OzzieGuillen) November 5, 2012
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 5th, 2012
2:55 pm
Bourjos and Willingham/Pence/Ross isn’t as risky though…. we could “easily” trade Ross/Willingham, or use Willy as a bench bat. If Pence is on a 1 yr deal, he could be traded or just have Gattis wait til year’s end to get the position outright.
Carl Farvman
November 5th, 2012
2:57 pm
“Thanks DOB…. I will look forward to some gm talk”
Yeah, these meetings are always interesting. Interviews consist of GM-types saying insightful things: “Of course, we can always get better as an organization. Anything is possible. I’m sure while I’m here there will be plenty of opportunties to speak with my peers and you never know what might happen. But, regardless, we believe we have a solid core group of guys who can help us win a championship.”
I can’t wait!
cricket
November 5th, 2012
2:59 pm
Once I was done venting, I thought back to Tom Glavine and the last game he pitched in a Mets uniform _ September 30, 2007, when he lasted just one-third of an inning against Florida, losing the season finale at Shea Stadium to complete the Mets’ stunning collapse from up seven games (on Philadelphia) with 17 games to go to out of the playoffs altogether.
Glavine took questions afterwards, and one of the first _ it might have been the very first _ was “How devastated are you?” Glavine, in a response that drew him a great deal of grief, responded, “I’m not devastated, but I am disappointed.”
As Glavine explained a few months later in this story , he understood what a charged word “devastated” was, and he was able to separate himself from the emotions of the moment, take the bullet and declare that no, this was not “devastating.” And he did this during a time of peace and tranquillity. There wasn’t something terrible occurring that prompted his reaction.
Just as he loss of a baseball game is not “devastating,” the cancelation of a race, given what’s going on around us, is hardly “crushing.”
Five years later, I finally get what Tom Glavine meant. And I applaud him for holding things in some sort of perspective. More people could use that skill.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/baseballinsider/look_marathon_fiasco_free_agent_YMg1BGi3oiFRYkWSDb3QnL#ixzz2BNcsrjJw
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
3:00 pm
If your LF choices are going to be the likes of Pence, Ross, Swisher, and the like, none of whom can hit in the middle of the order, then Gattis starts to look pretty good, LOL. At least, he’d be a 7 hitter paid like one.
Carl Farvman
November 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
“After what happened to the Falcons courtesy of my Packers I bet most Falcon fans would hate to see Rodgers and Co. coming to the dome this year again in the Playoffs.”
My Packers? They’re no more your Packers than my Packers..and I’ve never stepped foot in Green Bay…Thank God. Anyway, your claim–My Packers–ends right after you buy more hats,jackets, and other GB garb,maybe a cheeshead deal. C’Mon,man.It’s a money grab and you get nothing from it except more debt buying their junk and claiming the team is “My Packers.” What an Illusion.
phil
November 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
At this point, I’m more concerned with the Bears and Niners….
And Giants.
And yes, the Packers.
But the Bears are scary good at the moment.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 5th, 2012
3:04 pm
nolie
But a supposed bad clubhouse guy who will get big $ because of a decent playoff run and a 40 year old are the answer for our offensive problems?
Venice Jim
November 5th, 2012
3:05 pm
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Hey, that’s pretty funny. RT @FeitCanWrite @jazayerli With our luck, the Royals sign Hamilton and Ned starts Frenchy over him.
DS1 (getting a thrill up my leg!)
November 5th, 2012
3:07 pm
scoots
Who is on your LF list then? I know you’re big on Willingham, but whom else is on your wish list?
Carl Farvman
November 5th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Five years later, I finally get what Tom Glavine meant. And I applaud him for holding things in some sort of perspective. More people could use that skill.”
Tom’s response was logical and rational. I lean on the literal side, as well, and don’t casually throw about words like disaster, tragedy, and devastation lightly. Let’s save these for non-sports events.
Murph
November 5th, 2012
3:10 pm
My Packers? They’re no more your Packers than my Packers..and I’ve never stepped foot in Green Bay…Thank God. Anyway, your claim–My Packers–ends right after you buy more hats,jackets, and other GB garb,maybe a cheeshead deal. C’Mon,man.It’s a money grab and you get nothing from it except more debt buying their junk and claiming the team is “My Packers.” What an Illusion.
Aren’t the Packers “fan owned”? If there’s one team in all of professional sports that a fan can claim ownership of, that’s the team.
Either way, you sound like a real fun guy to hang out with. Want to tailgate before Arthur Blank’s team plays their next game?
kenhotlanta
November 5th, 2012
3:12 pm
I took my Ex shopping to Dillard’s several years ago, and we were in the Lingerie dept where I was sitting in a chair next to the checkout counter waiting on her. They were remodeling a large area right behind me and had several signs up stating that it was going to be a “Bra-fitting Department”…it was a huge area with mirrors, dressing rooms, fancy displays and first class all the way. They also had “now hiring” signs up for “Bra-fitting Advisors”.
I had a lot of experience trying to remove bras in the backseat of my car at the drive-ins back in the day, so this was right up my alley and area of expertise, I told my wife I was going to apply for that job…she didn’t get the joke at all.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
3:14 pm
I like Willingham and Pagan better but I just don’t think we have what it would take in trade for Willy, at least not that we would be willing to give up
Carl Farvman
November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Aren’t the Packers “fan owned”? ”
Yeah, I’m aware of that……..But I think you get the drift of my comments. Until I gain something more than the right to spend money on teams I follow, well I won’t refer to them as mine. Of course,it might make me feel better if I just picked out a winning club and referred to them as My Team, just like the Packer ‘My Packers” guy.
nolie
November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm
who is a bad clubhouse guy??
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm
Who is on your LF list then?
Dunno. Maybe Frank does, though.
Seriously, I don’t really know. I’m more interested in a profile than an actual guy, I guess. Maybe some guys that fit that profile are available in trade . Maybe not. Maybe a trade comes out of nowhere that puts some sock in CF rather than LF, and that changes the dynamic of the need in LF. I don’t know their minds and don’t know how they view their needs.
So, all I can do is tell you what’s wrong with the guys who are mentioned, LOL. I’m as bad as an in-gamer, in that respect.
jfp
November 5th, 2012
3:18 pm
DOB,
Don’t know whether to thank you for metioning how good Sons of Anarchy is or not. Started watching it on Netflix and ended up watching 7 shows back to back. Kind of addictive, thank goodness there are only 53 episodes. Great show, just seems to keep getting better.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 5th, 2012
3:20 pm
You are right Murph, as usual, and yes I am a shareholder so I can say My Packers proudly. While it may only be a piece of paper with my son and my name on it, it’s a very proud piece of our collection. My $ will go towards renovating the beautiful Lambeau field(the Fenway Park of football) where football is played the way it is meant to be played…outdoors.
BravePack(FreeFan)
November 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
Carl Farvman
November 5th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Aren’t the Packers “fan owned”? ”
Yeah, I’m aware of that……..But I think you get the drift of my comments. Until I gain something more than the right to spend money on teams I follow, well I won’t refer to them as mine. Of course,it might make me feel better if I just picked out a winning club and referred to them as My Team, just like the Packer ‘My Packers” guy.
I can still see you are bitter and upset about the ass beating the Falcons received at the hands of My Packers in 2010. It’s alright Carl let it all out, you’ve held it in for too long.
Murph
November 5th, 2012
3:23 pm
Until I gain something more than the right to spend money on teams I follow, well I won’t refer to them as mine.
I’m the same way when people ask me for rides. I tell them that I can’t drive them, because it’s not my car, it’s the bank’s car, and I don’t know how the bank would feel about me driving people all over town.
It’s like referring to a child as “my child”. What are you, a slave owner? You don’t own that child. Am I right?? That sort of stuff kills me. It’s like Abraham Lincoln never existed. Um, excuse me, but “your child” is an emancipated little person, not something you can claim ownership of.
You and me, Carl, we’re on the same page.
ncscoots
November 5th, 2012
3:24 pm
who is a bad clubhouse guy??
Pagan was supposedly rather churlish in the Mets’ clubhouse, his last year there.
David O'Brien
November 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
Kasten and Dodgers hired longtime former Bobby Cox coaching-staff member Pat Corrales as a special asst. to GM Ned Colletti. Good for Pat. Like to hear that. Good baseball man.
Lew
November 5th, 2012
3:27 pm
Ellsbury puts up great numbers when he plays. Unfortunately he rarely plays.