Schafer is back, but not to replace Bourn
The Braves reacquired Jordan Schafer from Houston on waivers Thursday, but quickly made it clear the enigmatic former Atlanta prospect was a low-cost addition for depth, not a contender to replace center fielder Michael Bourn if they lose the All-Star leadoff man to free agency.
Schafer, the Braves’ Opening Day center fielder in 2009, has a .221 career average and .305 on-base percentage with eight homers and 51 stolen bases in 238 games, including a .211 average with four homers and 27 steals in 106 games for the Astros in 2012.
“We saw him on the waiver wire and felt he would improve our depth in the outfield,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “It doesn’t affect how we pursue or try to put together our team this winter. But he’s very talented. He has above-average talent in three areas – run, throw and defend.”
Also Thursday, the Braves announced the hiring of Dave Bialas as a minor league fielder coordinator and outrighted three players off their 40-man roster: catcher J.C. Boscan and pitchers Erik Cordier and Robert Fish, a left-hander and Rule 5 Draft pick who missed the 2012 season after having ligament-transplant elbow surgery.
Rather than accept the outright assignment, Boscan opted for free agency and could re-sign with the Braves, as he did a year ago.
Bialas has spent 41 years in pro baseball as a minor league player, coach and team official, most recently as the Cubs’ Triple-A manager. He replaces Dave Trembley, who left to join Houston’s major league coaching staff.
Meanwhile, Triple-A Gwinnett manager Dave Brundage left to take a similar position with the Phillies’ Lehigh Valley affiliate. The Braves haven’t named a replacement for Brundage.
Schafer, 26, was the main piece of the trade package the Braves sent to the Astros in July 2011 in the deal for Bourn, who became a free agent this week and is expected to seek a long-term contract worth between $80 million and $100 million.
Bourn is represented by high-powered agent Scott Boras and is expected to be pursued by multiple teams including Philadelphia and Washington. Under baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement, teams have until 5 p.m. Friday to make one-year qualifying offers to their own free agents in order to be guaranteed a compensatory draft pick after the first round should that player sign with another team.
The qualifying offer is based on the average of the top 125 salaries in baseball from the previous season, and for this year it’ll be about $13.3 million. Free agents have until 12 days after the World Series to accept or decline the offers, and if a player accepts he becomes a signed player for 2013.
Wren wouldn’t disclose the team’s intention, but the Braves seem certain to make a qualifying offer to Bourn, since he’s likely to command a higher salary than $13.3 million in a five- or six-year deal on the open market. In the unlikely event he accepts the offer, the Braves would welcome him back atop their lineup and still have plenty of money left to fill their other primary need – a left fielder or third baseman.
Martin Prado will move from left to third base to replace retired Chipper Jones if the Braves find it easier to acquire a power-hitting left fielder than a third baseman. The Braves plan to pursue another center fielder/leadoff man if Bourn leaves.
If a player receiving a qualifying offer signs elsewhere, that team surrenders its first-round draft choice (or its second-rounder if the first-rounder is one of the draft’s first 10 picks). Free agents can sign with any team beginning Saturday at 12:01 a.m., six days after the World Series.
Schafer is out of options, and the Astros hoped to sneak him through waivers. If he doesn’t stay on the Braves’ 25-man roster, the team would have to put him through waivers again before he could be sent to the minors.
If Schafer has a good spring training he could earn a spot as a fourth or fifth outfielder with the Braves, potentially providing some speed off the bench and the versatility to play strong defense at all three outfield positions.
It’s been a circuitous and troubled path for Schafer, a third-round pick by the Braves in 2005. He led minor league baseball in hits in 2007, then served a 50-game suspension in 2008 at Double-A Mississippi after being linked to performance-enhancing drugs, though he insisted he never used and didn’t fail a drug test.
A few months after being traded to the Astros, he was arrested for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia after the 2011 season.
Between injuries and off-field incidents, Schafer has shown flashes of considerable talent. He homered in his first major league game in 2009 and went 8-for-19 with two doubles and two homers in his first five major league games, but broke his wrist on a swing in the fourth game and was slowed for much of two seasons before and after eventually having surgery.
He’s not been the same player for any sustained period since, but Schafer has been solid for several weeks at a time on a few occasions. In 2012 he hit .276 with two homers, eight steals and a .351 OBP in 23 games in April, and went 18-for-57 (.316) during a 15-game stretch in May. But Schafer hit just .156 (24-for-154) with two homers and 55 strikeouts in 63 games after May 30, and spent time on the disabled list with a separated shoulder.
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David from Athens, AL
November 1st, 2012
6:18 pm
Thanks DOB. Busy day with you … on twitter and blog!!!
jw
November 1st, 2012
6:25 pm
Thanks for the blog. People seem to be freaking out over this acquisition. Good to see some level-headedness.
Glen
November 1st, 2012
6:28 pm
Not that I’m expecting it, but I’d love to see Schafer play up to his potential.
Bob
November 1st, 2012
6:38 pm
I think it’s a good move…cheap, plenty of upside, and not much downside. Jordan has been as good as Uggly, but without a $60M price tag. Let’s see how he performs in ‘13.
Who Me?
November 1st, 2012
6:38 pm
He has the physical skills, it’s the noggin that gets him in trouble.
Matt
November 1st, 2012
6:44 pm
Anyone who’s ever followed this guy on twitter knows he’s a clown of a poser. No way this guy brings a positive vibe to the clubhouse. He might steal us some bases and, indeed, provide some needed depth but… He’s gonna act like a teenage girl doing it. I’d unfollow buts its kind of a train wreck scenario.
Here’s to Bourne not wearing just red and white next season! Cheers!
Chop Chop
November 1st, 2012
6:44 pm
He can’t hit.
Bob
November 1st, 2012
6:46 pm
@Matt…I thought only teenage girls followed folks on twitter. Get real. man.
Paul
November 1st, 2012
6:51 pm
WOW!! Exactly what the Braves needed. Yet another left handed, light hitting bat who is a mental case on top of that. Whoop-peee!!
Disgusted
November 1st, 2012
6:58 pm
Bad charachter issues — Very bad move. He is not worth the space he takes up.
eddie57
November 1st, 2012
7:00 pm
What do you guys expect from Wren? He’s not been exactly a successful GM when it comes to personnel decisions, Ugglier, Hanson, Hinske and worst of all Fredi the Freeloader are prime examples.
Dave
November 1st, 2012
7:03 pm
I hate to see him take up one of the 25 roster spots. Rather have Constanza or R. Johnson serve as the 4th or 5th outfielders.
Ken Stallings
November 1st, 2012
7:09 pm
I can see Washington paying Bourn between $80 to $100 million. But, the Phillies are already over-extended with their payroll. Then again, I see more of a difference between what Scott Boras says is “discounting” versus actual market value.
I don’t see Bourn getting that kind of money from any team.
Ralph
November 1st, 2012
7:11 pm
You gotta be really quick to beat Wren to the dumpsters.
Old timer
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
Not very pleased with this. You sure don’t see the real contenders jumping all over the place to pick up this guy.
AdirondackDave
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
Let’s see what kind of spring he has and how he fits in. He’s an asset on defense, that’s for sure and can fly on the bases… but can he hit more than his weight?
Ken Stallings
November 1st, 2012
7:16 pm
As a low cost option, getting Schafer off waivers is a low risk move that might have good potential. Beyond just cheap trolling, I see no reason to take this move as being anything other than what Wren said it is.
Long time fan
November 1st, 2012
7:17 pm
Lets see how the winter plays out before we get out the Frank Wren dolls to burn in effigy. This is not the starting centerfielder for the Braves in 2012.
I dont see Constanza as a starter either. The Braves will make the offer to Bourn taking half of Chipper’s money and adding it to what Bourn got in 2011.
It will be interesting to see where they go but I think it will be okay because some money will be available.
Mountain Man
November 1st, 2012
7:18 pm
Well said Ralph, well said…
panamajack
November 1st, 2012
7:18 pm
Exactly right Ralph, Wren is getting off to a good dumpster digging season, by March we should have a whole beanch full of trash. Anyone who believes Wren is going to do anything good please give me a call, I have some beauiful ocean front property I would like to sell you in Conyers.
AdirondackDave
November 1st, 2012
7:19 pm
As for Bourn, Boras is a great agent but he can’t hid all those Ks and mediocre on-base numbers. I like him for 13m but not for more than that and I’ll be surprised if he gets more than 15 per from anybody.
Ralph
November 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
DOB, maybe you think Schafer isn’t here to replace Bourn but I wouldn’t bet my Braves Cap on it.
Seattle Braves
November 1st, 2012
7:23 pm
This is a move to me Frank Wren look good. Think about it for a sec. Schafer was a major factor in the Bourne deal. Now we have both on our team, if Bourne re-signs. That makes Frank Wren look like a genius. Remember the keyword is LOOK.
This is nothing more than a lightning in a bottle pick up. Or a lottery ticket purchase. Hopes and Dreams are Frank Wrens way of Business.
panamajack
November 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
Let us just hope he has options left, I think he does.
AdirondackDave
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
Ralph — You might be right… If the braves decide to go big for Hamilton, Schafer could get a long and hard look for a starting job. Not that I expect them to be serious about Hamilton, unfortunately.
Seattle Braves
November 1st, 2012
7:28 pm
Hey Frank, Kerry Wood found Andre Dawson in the Chicago Ivy at Wrigley Field. Call Him quick before he is picked up…
Seattle Braves
November 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
Yeah Hamilton and Schafer would be a match made in Heaven.
Darryl Blackberry
November 1st, 2012
7:30 pm
This is a low-risk move that could pay off, especially in April and May, when Jordan’s generally got good numbers. If this guy were a possible detriment to the team in any way, I seriously doubt if Frank would’ve picked him up again. Expecting a good spring training and a lot of energy from this guy.
Darryl Blackberry
November 1st, 2012
7:31 pm
No way the Braves get Josh Hamilton. Josh Willingham, perhaps…
BravesFanInNashville
November 1st, 2012
7:31 pm
We need to use some of the available money to get a RH bat to play LF, 3B or CF then have Martin play either 3B or LF. If we pick up a legitimate stick at any of those positions it’s easier to go with defense first in CF with a good contact hitter that has a speed component.
Also as good a defender as Freeman is and considering he throws right handed he could play 3B if Meija spelling? is ready to play at the major league level. I know he saves a lot of errant throws at 1B but he has one of the best arms on the team and if it helps the team to have Meija’s bat in our line-up it might be worth considering. Kevin Youkolis did this with the Red Sox and it worked well.
Matt
November 1st, 2012
7:32 pm
Bob, nice addition to the blog. Only on twitter for Braves news.
Everything I said is true as was your post before mine. He brings depth and speed no doubt. He’ll also bring in revenue from DUIs and RMIs so maybe it’s all good after all.
He might grow up one day if he’d just grow up.
panamajack
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
Darryl Blackberry
You sound like someone who would be interested in my Conyers ocean front property.
Seattle Braves
November 1st, 2012
7:34 pm
Concerns: David Ross – Has he been signed yet?
Are the Braves looking for a marquee player or patch holes?
Would it be cool Moment:
Would it be cool if the BRaves sirgned both Upton Brothers. Think about that outfield for a min….. Hopes and Dreams
Ralph
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
Anyone care to guess who might sign JJ after he is non-tendered, bet someone will, could Wren sign him to a Minor League Contract?
Matt
November 1st, 2012
7:45 pm
That was funny Ralph.
panamajack
November 1st, 2012
7:48 pm
Ralph, that would be something, Wren digging in his own dumpster.
panama,
November 1st, 2012
7:49 pm
Enter your comments here
Seattle Braves
November 1st, 2012
7:49 pm
•Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports suspects Hamilton destination is Atlanta and Bourn to Cincinati.
Ralph
November 1st, 2012
7:51 pm
@panamajack
Nothing would surprise me!
Ray
November 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
I really like Hamilton however not for a 5-8 yr deal unless its a bargain and that just isn’t going to happen. Bourn is going to end up with Washington and watch all of the Wren haters come out.
Same Ole, negative dumbazz comments
November 1st, 2012
8:07 pm
Oh boy! The negativist are starting already.
I have to agree with all of you negative dildos.
Especially you, Ralph.
Brownie
November 1st, 2012
8:09 pm
I don’t believe Hamilton will land in Atlanta – too old, too expensive, and too much baggage/risk for the Braves’ taste.
least of the east
November 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
Schafer will not make 25 man roster and be put on waivers. someone , maybe even Houston, will claim him. much ado about nothing.
hopefully, Bourn is given a qualifying offer and rejects it. then, we can get a high pick and not overpay for a guy who doens’t make enough contact as a leadoff guy (and hits lefty)
Braves will sign a stop gap minor leaguer to replace Bourn at a low salary.
with Liberty Media, Wren and Gonzalez, the Braves are never winning anything again. it’s a fact of life- like death and taxes.
Brownie
November 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
As far as Bourn goes, when he played (hit) well the Braves won, when he didn’t they won much less. However, as the season went along, he fell off. He’s approaching 30, is a player who is totally dependent on his legs – NOT worth $15m for multiple years. Gonzo.
Give me Victorino @ ~ $5m for a couple years – check his career #’s…nearly equal to Bourn as a fraction of the cost. Last year was poor, but he also was off to LA and didn’t adjust.
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November 1st, 2012
8:13 pm
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Brownie
November 1st, 2012
8:16 pm
Everyone chill about Jordan S – he’s very cheap insurance going into spring training. And face it, he’s very good defensively AND can play all 3 OF spots. Reed J will be back also. The Braves have to rebuild their depth in the OF, because Diaz and Hinske are outta here. The last year or so, the only thing they did well was convert oxygen into carbon dioxide.
Turner Field
November 1st, 2012
8:18 pm
I GUESS!
Ray
November 1st, 2012
8:19 pm
If Wren doesn’t sign bourn he will get ripped on here no matter what he signs for elsewhere. I remember last winter how he got ripped for not signing cody ross. Many were saying he should offer him this and that. My argument then was how do you know he didn’t offer a deal which ended up that he did. Ross just chose the Sox.
Crank My Wren
November 1st, 2012
8:24 pm
This guy’s a complete tool. Was really happy to get rid of him….waste of a roster spot.
Jay
November 1st, 2012
8:25 pm
Your 2013 starting center fielder.
urban redneck
November 1st, 2012
8:28 pm
i always liked shafer. that being said, the astros trash can is an especially crappy trash can. the good news is he can probably get some great medicine for my glaucoma.
please no josh hamilton. i am a definitely a fan of his, but i don’t want us to pick up any more albatross contracts just because a couple of them are coming off the books this year. i really don’t see him going over to the NL unless some team offers him crazy money for a shorter deal. just the humble opinion of another couch manager who couldn’t hit a ball of a tee.
hit a single
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Schafer is not any part of the answer. I love the Braves but until they get guys that can hit in situations they will never compete in the postseason.
hit a single
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Schafer is not any part of the answer. I love the Braves but until they get guys that can hit in situations they will never compete in the postseason.
AdirondackDave
November 1st, 2012
8:42 pm
I think I would prefer to see the Braves go for Pagan or Victorino and use big bucks for a real slugger. Sure, there is risk with Hamilton but he can also put them in the WS for a couple years. I’d give him a shot… especially since it’s not my money.
jimmy
November 1st, 2012
8:56 pm
Tori Hunter and Josh Hamilton are Braves target s
THE ATLER
November 1st, 2012
9:01 pm
Why???!!!!
TarHeel We. have a playoff team but no manage
November 1st, 2012
9:03 pm
Freeman was a 3b in the minors
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:15 pm
Yep….
Jordan will be the opening day starter in CF…..
Sigh.
Not Understanding
November 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
Chris Woodward as an outfielder.
Steve
November 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Frank must be smoking some of that stuff Schafer was peddling.
RichB
November 1st, 2012
9:37 pm
Evan Gattis in left, Victorino in center and spend the money on tieing up Heyward, Freeman, Simmons and Prado
Bob the Blogger
November 1st, 2012
9:38 pm
I hope Schafer does not displace Constanza on the 25 man roster. Schafer has a .220 average and .305 on-base-pct in the majors; Constanza has a .281 average and .332 on-base-pct. In the minors, which is a much larger sample size for both players, Constanza has Schafer beat .293 to .260 in BA, and .366 to .327 in OBP.
Not Understanding
November 1st, 2012
9:42 pm
I don’t understand the word “insurance” as it’s being used here.
Insurance it would seem would be David Ross. A guy who could get the job done part time and for extended periods if called on without much drop-off in production from your starter.
Schafer ain’t no insurance. He’s a warm body, who until he can steal first base, is no better than Constanza. He may not be much of an investment financially, but you can bet the Braves will try to shoehorn him onto the opening day roster. The investment the Braves make will be in time trying to make Schafer a ballplayer. Didn’t work the first time around. Why waste valuable time flogging a dead horse?
Amber
November 1st, 2012
9:52 pm
On the list of former Braves I’d least like to re-acquire, he’s in the top 3. Why God, WHY?!???
Fan since 66
November 1st, 2012
9:57 pm
Schafer is junk–ie..Braves have lost there character standing in my book. How low can you go Mr Wren. Make me sick!
RBI
November 1st, 2012
9:59 pm
Bad move. I have never really liked the idea of reacquiring a former player. It is sorta like rehiring someone you fired. If they were not good enough before, why would they be now?
Mike McDonald
November 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
Schafer seems to have nine lives. This black cat just may turn out to be a lucky one for the Braves. Neither he nor the Braves have anything to lose with this signing. He is fast, feisty, and while the past suggests that he is somewhat physically fragile (and perhaps mentally so, as well), he has a certain dramatic flair that suggests that if the demons that have bedevilled him can be controlled, he could be a sensational late bloomer. This is a cat that Chipper should adopt.
Kujohn
November 1st, 2012
10:07 pm
The braves are gonna make a run big run at Hamilton Schafer is a low cost high upside talent He will compete with costanza for center and will win. He is only 26 After they get Hamilton nobody will care who plays center or lead off Braves need a star Chipper is gone and no one draw fans in like he did. So here comes Hamilton a southern boy and a superstar to market around.
They have the money this year and the rest of the team is set
Mitchell
November 1st, 2012
10:08 pm
Wow, great pick up by the Braves.
I hear nothing but good things about this Schafer guy.
northbeach Scott
November 1st, 2012
10:13 pm
Well said, RBI. Not sure what the typicaly blogger’s obsession is with ex-Braves rejoining the team. I suppose unsophisticated fans enjoy the familiarity with the mediocre.
That said, I was a Schafer fan and was pulling for him to grow up and become a player, but this is a failed experient. I suspect he is just keeping a 25 man roster spot warm and will never make it past New Year’s on the roster, much less, spring training.
Fan since 66
November 1st, 2012
10:15 pm
Browie thats a pretty damn poor excuse…Need to fire Wren.. when are the Braves going to stop picking up someone else trash. A Fan 45 years and it comes to this sh*t. I’ll not attend another game as long as JS is on team. Of course they don’t give a crap where I go are not.
Mitchell's Mom
November 1st, 2012
10:16 pm
Michell, you little douche bag, pull your pants up and get off your sisters laptop. Stop lurking in the basement wearing Granny’s false teeth and slip.
Larry30
November 1st, 2012
10:21 pm
This is really starting to look bad. Schafer is a loser, period. Wren claims he has above average skills in three areas………I don’t think so unless the skills are rolling, toking, and bogarting. It’s obvious that Wren really doesn’t have a plan.
Fan since 66
November 1st, 2012
10:22 pm
agree Larry
bobbymahlon
November 1st, 2012
10:23 pm
Oh boy with Janish and Schafer on the bench we do not have to worry anymore about having good pinch hitters. This blows my simple little mind. One should hit around .175 and the other .220 and you think this is how championships teams are made.
cornjolio
November 1st, 2012
10:23 pm
The Frank Wren Kool Aid drinkers on here are making me puke !
What is the Braves’ infatuation with Jordan Schafer?
Hitting .211 he’ll blend in nicely with Dan Uggla and Brian McCann.
Insurance? (should I laugh or cry?)
Bud
November 1st, 2012
10:24 pm
Sign Ludwick, solid hitter with power and decent glove, to play left; Prado goes to third; and sign Angel Pagan to play center and bat lead-off. Resign R. Johnson and have and Constanza as the extra outfielders.
Larry30
November 1st, 2012
10:28 pm
People carry insurance for catastrophes…………
MikeY
November 1st, 2012
10:29 pm
Schafer could not stick with the Astros, arguably the worst team in MLB in 2012. So the Braves pick him up. As long as his role is to play CF in AAA (or maybe AA), so be it. But, I would say there are better cheap options for a 6th OF out there…
Mike McDonald
November 1st, 2012
10:49 pm
Any knowledgeable observer of modern day MLB playoffs over time would have to conclude that after 162 regular games, all bets are off. The 2012 season was no different and the playoffs could be disected sixteen ways to Sunday and the outcome would be as unfathomable as most.
So, in the end, the real drama is during the season. if your team puts an exciting product on the field and is truly in contention for 162 games, that is about as good as one can expect in an uncertain world.
Despite misgivings about the holy grail of perfection, the 2013 Braves should be a reasonable fans delight.
The pitching seems solid and might be improved with luck and adroitness. The position players are young, exceptionally fast and competantly defensive.
The organization would be well served to call upon the talents of distinguished
Larry
November 1st, 2012
10:52 pm
Can’t see anyone paying Michael Bourn 80 million dollars. Why? I think 60 mil at 5 years is what he’s worth. Not that he’ll settle that low, not with Borax as an agent. I really hope to see Angel P. and/or Josh W.
Mike McDonald
November 1st, 2012
10:59 pm
alumni such as Jones, Smoltz and glavine to play active roles as distinguished mentors. In this way, all of the latent assets of the past two decades can be put to productive use to insure that the Braves full season is an enjoyable one. Then let the play-offs be the crapshoot they are destined to be under the convoluted structure and dictates of the likes of Bud Segal, et al.
Oregon Brave
November 1st, 2012
11:01 pm
Just what the team needs. Another light hitting lefty that can’t pitch. How will he earn his money? Will he be replacing that overweight light hitting lefty we already have but is good in the club house?
stupid gm
November 1st, 2012
11:18 pm
Wren cleaning out the trash cans …maybe Schafer will get caught again before ST and go to jail this time. Catch ya twice three times u out.
Joe 12-Pack
November 1st, 2012
11:35 pm
The Braves are telling you signing Schafer is not to replace Bourn but that is what’s going to happen. Bourn will go elsewhere, the Braves will make feeble attempts at getting anyone else, and Schafer will end up in the line-up and stink up the joint.
Wren, you cannot fool us anymore!
This is not even a good Plan B. It’s a Plan F.
BosnianBaller
November 1st, 2012
11:47 pm
“It doesn’t affect how we pursue or try to put together our team this winter” Key word pursue so they are pursuing a new centerfielder and not keeping Bourn
Tip O' the Cap
November 2nd, 2012
12:03 am
Maybe the Melk man is available? We could have a PED tag team playing center!
Train Wreck Bystander
November 2nd, 2012
12:12 am
If Schafer is the answer… can someone remind me what the question is?
Sooner or later one of FW’s longshot crap shoots has to pay off…
Nevada Roy
November 2nd, 2012
12:24 am
If we are Bourn-less in 2013 … try Simmons leading off. His OBP was .335 vs. Bourn’s 2nd half .325. Try Schaffer in center batting 8th … he might hit .250 with some homers and good speed.
Merrill Guice
November 2nd, 2012
12:45 am
Free Money. Watch him get traded again.
SeaTrout
November 2nd, 2012
1:02 am
Wren took a good low cost move for the Braves. This move could have alot of upside. Schafer will go to work immediately with our two highly regarded hitting coaches. Spring training games will determine if Schafer can implement what he has learned. If he doesn’t hit in spring training….he will be an x-brave for the second time.
Chet
November 2nd, 2012
1:20 am
well then…seems we had pretty much the same thing offensively and more speed with constanza…wasn’t there some “character” issues with schafer as well?
carney johnson
November 2nd, 2012
1:34 am
oh come on…who hasnt smoked weed? lay off shafer. half of you are drinking your 5th beer right now criticizing him.
Shhh!
November 2nd, 2012
1:37 am
I think bourn will at least get 80… I also think he’s worth it! True enough he fell off in the second half but he’s still very solid! Almost every players has a slump his just came at the end of the yr b4 contract time. He will sign for at least 80 and be very productive a the top of the lineup elsewhere!
Everything Old is New Again
November 2nd, 2012
2:04 am
Well, in honor of Schafer returning, let’s continue the theme.
Among new Free Agents I see Alex Gonzalez (SS), Kyle Farnsworth, Joey Devine, Mike Gonzalez, and George Sherrill (RP), Nate McLouth & Melky Cabrera (OF), Kelly Johnson (2B), Mark DeRosa (UT), Casey Kotchman (1B), Jason Marquis & Kevin Millwood (SP). There is also Andruw Jones (OF) & Derek Lowe (SP) and though he would probably be too pricey for us, Rafael Soriano (RP).
Bring ‘ em all back! Let us relive the nightmares of so many many failed seasons from our recent past. Boy oh boy, 2013 will be the “bestest” year ever to be a Braves fan with all of our old goats…. er… heroes back on the team.
mace224
November 2nd, 2012
3:45 am
Hamilton and Gattis patrolling the outfield? Yes!
bostonbravo
November 2nd, 2012
4:43 am
joke.
next comes McClouth..
BS
Ted
November 2nd, 2012
6:56 am
Schafer .221 avg. Wow, can the NL title be far away? Can’t wait for another off season of meaningless moves while other teams load up.
bruce
November 2nd, 2012
6:58 am
When did Shafer separate his shoulder? and what were his 2012 season stats before the separation? Maybe comparable to Bourn’s second half stats?
jerry
November 2nd, 2012
7:07 am
Mr. Wren, my advice to you is to try and find someone dumber than you are and dump Uggly on to them. It won’t be easy.
Carl Farvman
November 2nd, 2012
7:32 am
“What is the Braves’ infatuation with Jordan Schafer?
Hitting .211 he’ll blend in nicely with Dan Uggla and Brian McCann.
Insurance? (should I laugh or cry?)”
Insurance for what? They can’t get a young AAA player to put up his numbers and start developing a major league player. What is it about these retreads that seem to stick even though a truckload of minor league guys would be as good or better….and then bloggers will jump on board with this made up ‘insurance” schtik.
Kramer
November 2nd, 2012
7:56 am
It is football season and we are in the heat of the election. I am too consumed with both to care about this move. Good, bad or indifferent.
Wanted, new Manger.
November 2nd, 2012
8:00 am
STUPID, to bring back this BOZO. When he was with, the Braves, the first time. His, play, didn’t EMPRESS,ANYONE. He’ll be riding, the pine pony. Braves, need to get Josh Hamilton.
Coach D
November 2nd, 2012
8:15 am
“Not that Constanza could play at the major league level consistently…….”
I think the same thing was said of Gregor Blanco who contributed to getting the SF Giants a world series ring…. I’m tired of seeing homegrown minor league talent groomed to the major league level & then not given a chance!!!
Give Constanza a chance! Schafer, send him to another team in a trade!
Darryl Blackberry
November 2nd, 2012
8:28 am
Constanza, Schafer, Gattis…let them all compete this spring for a job, and may the best player win a spot on the 40-man roster. There’s no reason to think that just because Wren picked Schafer up off the slag heap will signal any kind of job security for him. If Jordan doesn’t do well, the Braves can always put him back on waivers, so why worry about a relatively minor, low-cost move?
don
November 2nd, 2012
8:34 am
Schafer could be a very good pickup. Fans should give him a chance. His overall numbers aren’t much lower than Bourn’s numbers after the all-star game. Bourn won’t be worth what he gets in free agency. Dump him and look elsewhere.
Braves fan 1957
November 2nd, 2012
9:10 am
Ref Schafer, he reminds me of a hockey player, who will remain nameless, once said” I have all the tools to play this game, the only problem is, I don’t have a tool box to put them in”! Enough said!!!
Old Braves Fan
November 2nd, 2012
9:34 am
MY goodness, aren;t we awful quick to criticize Wren for picking someone off the waiver wire at very low cost with no risk. HE does have some talent and who knows he may finally mature enough to play well and if not, he is gone and nothing lost. Wouldn;t it be nice if we could all be G.M.’s and have our own teams to screw up?
Bob the Blogger
November 2nd, 2012
9:35 am
I agree, he’s just swinging at too many pitches, according to the stats. Swinging at strikes on the corners is not really being selective. In order to determine if a batter is selective, we need to analyze hitters’ strikes vs pitchers’ strikes, understanding that there are locations in the strike zone that one batter can hit that another batter can’t.
Bob the Blogger
November 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
Never mind above post, I posted it on the wrong blog.
Carroll
November 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
@Brownie: LOL! Hamilton is too much risk for the braves’ taste? This is a franchise that has historically shown willingness to take chances on guys with previous drug issues, image problems and baggage such as Deion Sanders, Otis Nixon, Lonnie Smith, Bobby Bonilla, Gary Sheffield, John Rocker, and Raul Mondesi, just to name a few. Hamilton is worth the risk if the numbers are right.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
9:56 am
McClouth was never the same after his collision with Heyward. I think his concussion issues were THE issue. He finally seemed to come back for the O’s . But no, the Braves shouldn’t sign him. Not sold on Hamilton (or Shafer). Addiction demons, even controlled, are still demons. I’d could see Pagan or Victorino in CF or even an Upton. Martin to 3rd is the no-brainer. Sign Ross ASAP. I wouldn’t go too high for Bourn, MAYBE 85-90m tops. Willingham could be worth a reasonably priced shot.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
9:56 am
McClouth was never the same after his collision with Heyward. I think his concussion issues were THE issue. He finally seemed to come back for the O’s . But no, the Braves shouldn’t sign him. Not sold on Hamilton (or Shafer). Addiction demons, even controlled, are still demons. I could see Pagan or Victorino in CF or even an Upton. Martin to 3rd is the no-brainer. Sign Ross ASAP. I wouldn’t go too high for Bourn, MAYBE 85-90m tops. Willingham could be worth a reasonably priced shot.
Heisenberg
November 2nd, 2012
9:58 am
I remember when Bill Walsh first took over the 49ers when they were the worst team in the NFL. He told his team that he sensed some of them were thinking they could hook up with other teams if they got cut. He then reminded them that SF is the worst team in the NFL. If you are not good enough to play for the worst team in the league, what makes you think you are good enough to play for anyone else.
So somehow the worst team in MLB has a player that is not worthy to be protected on their roster and the Braves think he can help them? Did Greg Norton not return their calls?
Bobo is Not the Problem
November 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
Woo Hoo!!! Jordan Shafer!!! World Series time!!! Another blockbuster move by the Braves!!!
Maybe he can give us as much production as McLouth!!!
Bobo is Not the Problem
November 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
Woo Hoo!!! Jordan Shafer!!! World Series time!!! Another blockbuster move by the Braves!!!
Maybe he can give us as much production as McLouth!!!
georgeo
November 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
The Frank Wren led Braves have made some of the dumbest moves in MLB history. Adding Jordan Schaefer to the roster confirms it. The fan base couldn’t stand Schaefer the first time and now this under performer is back?
His next move will be to resign McClouth
Bobo is Not the Problem
November 2nd, 2012
10:06 am
The best thing about the 2013 Braves is that they won’t be in the ugly shadow of that classless redneck thug, Chipper Jones, who famously bashed the fans in a February 2011 AJC article, after being called out for being lazy by fans and former teammates like Brian Jordan.
Chipper singlehandedly blew the wild card playoff game against the Cardinals, and had a series of mind-blowing choke jobs throughout his career, all while being hailed as one of the greatest 3B ever. In fact, he was a lazy prima donna bum who didn’t give a crap about defense or hustle.
Goodbye, good riddance, and I can’t wait to see a Braves team without this thug on it.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2012
10:09 am
Bobo, hilarious comment at 10:06 a.m.
Wait, you did mean for it to be hilarious, right?
bill
November 2nd, 2012
10:11 am
The Schafer thing is as inconseqential as the guy who was traded for a player to be named later and then returned to the original team as the player to be named later. Schafer will not help us win a pennant or world series. Once again the Braves need guys who can get the hit in the big game or pitch a shutout in the same situation and instead we dance around with Jordan Schafer and his ilk. I do hope this means Hinske is history.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2012
10:11 am
The Frank Wren led Braves have made some of the dumbest moves in MLB history. Adding Jordan Schaefer to the roster confirms it. — georgeo
With all due respect, the only thing that’s confirmed — by your comment — is you don’t quite understand the minimal cost and no-risk nature of a move like this, meant to provide potential bench depth and having no effect on the budget as the team prepares to address its main needs this winter.
RT (Riverdale)
November 2nd, 2012
10:21 am
Way to go Braves, Schafer is a loser just like Uggla and Fredi!!!!!!!!!
Reality Check
November 2nd, 2012
10:24 am
Chipper retired. Bourn likely gone.
We bring back broken down McCann who won’t be playing until May, if at all.
Jordan Schafer, who hit .211 and couldnt stick with the minor league Astros, returns as “insurance”, at a “minimal cost” of course. There are reasons this clown came at a minimal cost.
I feel for the Braves’ starting pitching and the lack of run support they get. With Uggla (.226), McCann (.230) and Schafer (.211) at the back of the lineup, this team is looking
at 3rd place at best in 2013.
Frank Wren needs to resign.
Braves' Nation
November 2nd, 2012
10:27 am
Constanza and Reed Johnson will likely lose their roster spots due to Schafer.
Schafer must have photos of Wren in the shower.
benchwarmer
November 2nd, 2012
10:28 am
Hamilton? NOOOO! Want a guy who has practically been run off by his last team? One of the biggest head cases of all time! Again NOOOO!
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2012
10:29 am
Chipper retired. Bourn likely gone.
We bring back broken down McCann who won’t be playing until May, if at all.
Jordan Schafer, who hit .211 and couldnt stick with the minor league Astros, returns as “insurance”, at a “minimal cost” of course. There are reasons this clown came at a minimal cost.
I feel for the Braves’ starting pitching and the lack of run support they get. With Uggla (.226), McCann (.230) and Schafer (.211) at the back of the lineup, this team is looking
at 3rd place at best in 2013. — Reality Check
Awesome. We barely turned the page to November and already we have a leader in the doom-and-gloom brigade. Congrats, sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHHQRodF88
benchwarmer
November 2nd, 2012
10:32 am
Reed Johnson will never be displaced by Shaeffer. The guy are on two seperate levels.
reckingball
November 2nd, 2012
10:32 am
Why are all of these “MLB experts” geting so upset about the Braves claiming Schaffer off of waivers?
It is a very inexpensive look-see, at a player that might possibly have a break-through, in his MLB career.
If he doesn’t, he will be cut loose, no big deal.
Here is the reason why they are all clamoring, THEY JUST LOVE TO COMPLAIN AND BAD MOUTH the Braves.
IF all of these complainers would use their brains, they would realize that the Braves have one of the best teams and organizations in MLB.
stupid gm
November 2nd, 2012
10:33 am
It don’t matter the cost (even if free) who wants the bum on the team..if thats the best Braves can do for bench help Lord Bless them..Last I heard Braves were not on Food Stamps although they could get them.
Bayou Brave
November 2nd, 2012
10:34 am
Sounds like a good, low risk, 4th outfielder to me.
Thanks for the update, DOB!
Delray Brave
November 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
Did anyone else see where MSN had Josh Hamilton signing this offseason? Talk about coming out of left field…
reckingball
November 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
Sorry, I meant to say “IF all of these compainers would(or could) use their brains,”
reckingball
November 2nd, 2012
10:39 am
make that complainers
reckingball
November 2nd, 2012
10:44 am
BTW, to all of you down-in-the-mouthers, the Braves organization is very fortunate to have Frank Wren as their GM.
Braves' Nation
November 2nd, 2012
10:57 am
Derek Lowe. Nate McLouth. Kinchen Kawakami. Dan Uggla. Jordan Schafer. Mark Texeira for Casey Kotchman.
Yeah, the Braves are fortunate to have Frank Wren as GM.
cornjolio
November 2nd, 2012
11:02 am
My favorite Frank Wren give away was Rafael Soriano for Jesse Chavez. Soriano has had almost a 100 saves total the past three seasons.
Jesse Chavez vacuumed my BMW at the car wash yesterday.
Frank Wren is a real genius. Gets a lot of value in return.
Atlanta Braves Links of the Day For November 2, 2012 | Atlanta Braves Dugout Online | Atlanta Braves Blog
November 2nd, 2012
11:13 am
[...] Schafer is back, but not to replace Bourn [...]
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2012
11:14 am
My favorite Frank Wren give away was Rafael Soriano for Jesse Chavez. Soriano has had almost a 100 saves total the past three seasons. — cornjolio
Now THAT was not a good trade. Didn’t understand the Braves’ gamble of offering him arb (I thought there was at least a 50-50 chance of him accepting it, which he did), then didn’t understand the need to trade him immediately, before the Winter Meetings had ended.
Might have been some bad advice from the folks who’d seen Chavez pitch and rec’d him. Then again, he did have a real good arm. Just didn’t have much else in the way of repertoire or ability to get out major league hitters.
georgeo
November 2nd, 2012
11:20 am
he Frank Wren led Braves have made some of the dumbest moves in MLB history. Adding Jordan Schaefer to the roster confirms it. — georgeo
With all due respect, the only thing that’s confirmed — by your comment — is you don’t quite understand the minimal cost and no-risk nature of a move like this, meant to provide potential bench depth and having no effect on the budget as the team prepares to address its main needs this winter.
I certainly agree that it is a no risk low cost move, but history will tell you,kind sir, that there will also be no reward. I would rather have a hustling,down and dirty journeyman minor leaguer getting his first chance then a proven flop like Schaefer.
monty
November 2nd, 2012
11:30 am
Not saying Schafer is in their league, talent wise, but ask JHey and BMAC how injuries to wrist and shoulders greatly affect your abilities.
jim
November 2nd, 2012
11:35 am
The Giants won the WS because they supplemented their strong pitching and middle of the order bats (Posey and Panda) with the likes of Scutaro, Pagan, Blanco, and Crawford — plus defenders and hitters willing to work the count, lay down a bunt, and put the ball in play when needed.
Of the big FA signings last winter, only Fielder paid immediate dividends and that contract could go south in a few years as the years and pounds accumulate whiule the dollars keep rolling out.
Pujols has had his best years as a Cardinal and he could not bring a ennant to the Angels.
The Marlins addition of Reyes, Bell, and Buehrle led only to a last place battle with the Mets and another fire sale.
The Yankees got swept out of the playoffs and now have to deal with more years of contracts with ARod, Tex, and CC.
The Red Sox loaded up with Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez in 2011 and unloaded them to the Dodgers along with Josh Beckett in 2012. With this bonanza in hand, the Dodgers sunk below the horizon in their quest for the playoffs.
For every FA winner like Greg Maddux, there are many more losers like Jason Bay, Dice K, and Derek Lowe. The free agent market is the place where you gamble on overpaying for an immediate success while taking on a long term liability (like the Lowe contract or worse).
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2012
11:48 am
Great post at 11:35 a.m, Jim.
jj
November 2nd, 2012
11:48 am
Monty..drugs not the wrist…
The Truth....
November 2nd, 2012
11:53 am
haha….Here we go again shopping at the flea market for players…Where has that got ya Frank? No where….Just like signing Diaz last year! haha..crAzy! You just can’t make this stuff up….
yogi
November 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm
adding Jordan Schafer is subtraction by addition. A another damn drug addict
cornjolio
November 2nd, 2012
12:30 pm
“Mr. Wren, my advice to you is to try and find someone dumber than you are and dump Uggly on to them. It won’t be easy.” – Jerry
Jerry, that was priceless !
Braves' Nation
November 2nd, 2012
12:35 pm
Lets package Uggla, Schafer, Hanson, Fredi & Frank to the Cuban National team, for a year’s supply of cigars.
59bulldawg
November 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
I like the move. I like the kid! And if he ever gets his act together Wren will look like a genius and all you naysayers will be first in line for his autograph. If he never pans out then we haven’t exactly broke the bank to get him. This deal has a lot more potential for good than bad.
Mark (another one)
November 2nd, 2012
12:47 pm
Wouldn’t it be funny if Schafer plays well in spring training and Wren trades him again for another starter? Seriously, what’s the risk of bringing him in, effectively on a tryout? Our current outfield is Heyward, a free agent (Bourn) and an opening. Our current reserves are Constanza and Schafer. We need to figure out LF and CF but Wren has time. If he can build a better bench depth than Schafer, it’s still nothing wasted when he’s released.
Schafer has the potential to be that late inning defensive replacement when one is needed. He can run and his hitting has been all over the map. Remember when Cox used to replace Klesko in LF when we had a late inning lead?
Wren, THE MORON
November 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
NO DOUBT, a no brainer. WASTED, roster, spot.
Powder Blue
November 2nd, 2012
1:02 pm
Hooray! Our outfield problems are solved!
Dan Uggla's Swing
November 2nd, 2012
1:03 pm
Enter your comments here
Heisenberg
November 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
If they brought him back on a minor league deal that would one thing. But he is taking a spot on the 40 man roster which creates 2 problems:
1) Another promising prospect in Braves organization will not be protected from rule 5 draft.
2) How many times have we heard the old “there is not room on the 40 man roster” to add __________
Felix
November 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Just like Wren to go out and get another 220 hitter. That’ll really help this anemic offense.
Great! Jsut great!
Felix
November 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
I’m with Braves’ Nation.
Braves' Nation
November 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
teams were just chomping at the bit to acquire the services of a .211 hitter
Hey Frank; the blue light is flashing !
Gregor Blanco
November 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
I could still be a Brave.
On the other hand I’ll be enjoying my World Series ring !
Dan Uggla's Swing
November 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
I was always a big fan of the kid, and hated he didn’t produce at this level. He had a lot of potential and still does if he ever learns to hit. Has good speed and defense, maybe with our “Dynamic Duo” hitting coaches (would love to see CJones make them a “triple threat”) he can turn it around and be a viable option. Some idiot is going to pay Bourn a ton of money and in the past two years he hasn’t proven offensively he is a big money player. I like Bourn a lot, great lead off hitter, but has not produced consistently in the 2nd half like we need. I would love to see the Braves go after some contact hitters, and forget their love with the 3 run homer. The Braves always built a team to win the division, but those ingredients dont translate well in the playoffs, just ask the Tigers.
Snowball's Chance
November 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Give Frank Wren some credit for the Bourn trade. Shafer was the main piece he threw in.
Kujohn
November 2nd, 2012
1:36 pm
Bringing Schafer back is a good move Has potential cost us nothing We go after a big name Hamilton or J upton Then the 3rd outfield spot will b up for grabs Schafer. Costanza. Gattis Or if Francisco loses weight an looks good prado back to outfield I am pulling for schafer Think our hitting coaches can make a diff
wheelz007
November 2nd, 2012
1:37 pm
In my humble opinion, we need 2 good players. Not necessarily super-stars. We don’t need a Josh Hamilton and his $20+ million dollar salary. Although his big bat in the middle of our line-up would look great on paper.
Our team is already good: Heyward, Prado, Freeman, Uggla, MAC and the pitching staff. Remember, some of these younger players haven’t reached their primes yet.
Schafer is going to be (a) bench depth, (b) a possible trade piece later, and at least (c) a low-cost, plan D/E/F for Centerfield.
Jim
November 2nd, 2012
1:37 pm
I could care less what people on this blog think. This is a good move by Wren. Schafer has the potential to be a starting center fielder and lead off man for a major league team. But, it is getting to be put up or shut up time for him. He should know that he will not have many more chances to reach his potential in the majors. Maybe that will bring out the best in him. If not, what have the Braves really lost out of the deal? It would not be a monumental mistake like giving Bourn $100 million. I really do not understand the anger over this move.
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
1:46 pm
be an x-brave for the second time.SeaTrout
November 2nd, 2012
1:02 am
Wren took a good low cost move for the Braves. This move could have alot of upside. Schafer will go to work immediately with our two highly regarded hitting coaches. Spring training games will determine if Schafer can implement what he has learned. If he doesn’t hit in spring training….he will be sent packing
I believe that Sea Trout has it right. Heyward started with his on batting instructor then moved to the two new Braves instructors. He began his journey to discover his 2010 swing in early Jan, 2112 and was for the most part successful.
Jan 1, 2013 Uggla and Schafer should begin reconstructing their swings with the Braves two batting instructors. Both need to cut down on their swings, learn to cover the plate and make a lot more contact than they are presently making. If Uggla could learn to cover the outside half of the plate and make contact he would have a very successful 2013.
If Schafer could cut down his swing and become a contact hitter he would raise his BA and OBP significantly. Schafer has tried to make it his way and it has not worked. If he is willing to listen to a different approach (contact hitter) he could start a lengthy and successful career.
Halbert
November 2nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Last time I saw Schaefer in a Braves uniform, he was having trouble catching up to 90mph fastballs down the middle. Look, I’m all for giving guys chances, but unless he found some bat speed he’s never going to be the guy the Braves were hoping for. He may be a flake, but I like the kid and he plays hard, but the last thing Schaefer or the Braves need is for him to have another stellar spring, make the team, then disappear after a couple of months and a .210 average.
Kujohn
November 2nd, 2012
1:52 pm
I agree w Jim Bourne is gone and should be if he wants more than 4 yr 12 mill. Like i said the braves are gonna go all out on Hamilton I said it last nite. Msn foxsports predicts he comes to Atl Chipper is gone an they need 1 super star to market around Hamilton Braves big splash to excite the fan base
Sugar Bear Blanks
November 2nd, 2012
1:52 pm
“maybe with our “Dynamic Duo” hitting coaches (would love to see CJones make them a “triple threat”) he can turn it around and be a viable option”
Are these the same hitting coaches that have worked with Dan Uggla?
Star Gazer
November 2nd, 2012
1:54 pm
ah, dreamers abound on this blog …
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Schafer has skills but has tried to be a player that he is not capable of being (home run hitter). What he is very capable of becoming is a contact hitter with plenty of speed and a base stealer. If he does that he would be a low cost player that is very disruptive to the teams we play. Given his outfield skills and his strong arm he could be a very good 4 tool player. He has to forget the home runs and concentrate on making the defense anxious and play in when he is at the plate. By cutting down on his swing he can use his hand / eye coordination to lift his batting average and help his team mates see more fast balls when he is on base. If Schafer is willing to reinvent himself, with the help of the Braves two hitting instructors, we could see Schafer in the outfield for a long time to come.
Kujohn
November 2nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Did you mean the same hitting coaches that turned Heyward around And had us top in the NL for runs scored
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
2:07 pm
Uggla needs off season help in reinventing himself as a hitter as well. Until Uggla decides to have total plate coverage, instead of just the inside half, he is going to continue to struggle. Uggla is so strong that just increasing his contact would increase his BA and OBP. He will always be able to turn on an inner half pitch (mistake) by the pitcher. He would see more inner half pitches if he was driving outer half pitches into the right / center gap. The busiest coaches this off season are going to be the Braves hitting instructors. They have the chance to take the players on the roster and turn this team into a very potent offence. Throw Francisco into the reinvent category as well. If they can teach him to hit left handers he would share the same characteristics of Sandoval.
Nativebird
November 2nd, 2012
2:08 pm
No harm no foul. Broken wrist changed this kids career forever.
Acid Queen
November 2nd, 2012
2:11 pm
He was on the juice; now he’s mortal
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
2:13 pm
Kujohn, I believe that the Braves hitting instructors are very good. What the team needs is more consistency in scoring runs. That takes making every plate appearance count, working the pitch count and making contact rather than striking out. Every player is going to go through slumps during the season but the length of the slumps can be lessened if some of the Braves players would change their approach. In terms of runs scored the Braves are bi-polar.
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
2:18 pm
Braves players with the right hitting approach:
Prado
Simmons
Heyward
Chipper (2012) doesn’t count now
Almost there:
Freeman
McCann when healthy
Those that need work:
Uggla
Schafer
Fransico
jmart1951
November 2nd, 2012
2:25 pm
If the Braves could successfully change the hitting approaches of Uggla, Schafer and Francisco (and this will sound crazy) they do not need additional help.
Fransisco has a huge upside
Schafer has a huge upside
Uggla is a proven veteran that has lost his way. Plate coverage and contact bring him back to the player he once was.
I believe that Uggla will return to form in 2013 (if he works hard during the off season
I believe that Schafer too will be a big surprise if he successfully changes his hitting approach (Would immediately be one of the top 4 center fielders in the National league)
I am not as certain that Fransisco has the inner make up to make the changes necessary for him to be a complete hitter. he does have tons of potential and is worth an offseason effort to help his appraoch with left handers.
jim
November 2nd, 2012
2:44 pm
Note — the person who posted as Jim at 1:37 was not me.
My only take on Schafer would be from the time he started as the regular CF and lead off hitter between the time he was recalled in 2011 and inserted as the regular CF until the injury and subsequent trade after the 18 inning game with Pittsburgh. I think that during this period he made a much more significant contribution to the team’s success than he was given credit for on the blog. The ultimate value of a lead off hitter is measured by runs scored. During this period of time Schafer’s runs scored/ games played average was better than Bourn’s in the year and 2 months during which he has been a Brave, albeit a very limited sample size. Schafer was succesful on 17 of 20 SB attempts during this span — a rate of attempts and success that exceeds that of Bourn during his time in Atlanta. He is a plus defender with a strong arm and he brought an aggressive attitude of which the Braves could use a bit more. As Bourn moves to the other side of 30 his base-stealing numbers will continue to diminish. If Schafer gives us some of the same intensity, defense, and offensive numbers as Blanco gave the Giants, this will not be a bad pick up at all.
Atl braves fan since inception
November 2nd, 2012
2:53 pm
WHY!!!!!@
Train Wreck Bystander
November 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
@ Jim 1:37 pm
I wouldn’t say the fans are angry (other than the usual trolls).
But come on now… the Hot Stove Season is upon us, and right out of the chute, we get this.
If this story had been a footnote to a more interesting deal, it wouldn’t have garnered nearly the angst it has.
But instead we have the splashy headline “Braves reacquire Jordan Schafer” w/ accompanying picture.
You expected the fans to respond with confetti, roses and fanfare?
TomTomClub
November 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm
Absolutely dumb and stupid beyond belief!! Date the tramp, dump the tramp and then start dating her again hoping things will be different this time around! Repeating the process will usually give you the same results!! A fool will lose tomorrow reaching back for yesterday. Hears to you, FRANK WREN.
If If If
November 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
If this guy can’t make it with the WORST team in MLB gthen I sure he can make it with the Braves. Why in the world would they waste the energy with this idiot? Write this down,,,, the Braves will be hot after Josh Willingham when he is no more than Eric Henske. The Braves are going to save about 30 mil next year and they will not want to spend anything to make the team better. Liberty Media is a joke.
If If If
November 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm
nativebird:
What changed his career is when he got caught with the JUICE in his system. Just like A rod and all the other Juicers. That is so strange how the Home Run totals have dropped the last few years. Why is that? Hmmmm.
Sam
November 2nd, 2012
4:09 pm
Trading for Justin Upton and signing BJ is sounding better and better.
Carl Farvman
November 2nd, 2012
4:29 pm
“I could care less what people on this blog think. This is a good move by Wren.”
Jim, I have no clue if this will be a benefit or not, but I do know that about 30 clubs didn’t want him.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
A waste of a roster move on Shafer, very un-Braves like.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
A waste of a roster move on Shafer, very un-Braves like.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
A waste of a roster move on Shafer, very un-Braves like.
Scott
November 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
A waste of a roster move on Shafer, very un-Braves like.
Rick C
November 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm
If If If, he never got caught with anything. He was suspected of using PEDs, but never had a positive test. Also I’m not sure what you’re talking about with his HR totals dropping. He’s never hit more than 4 in any season, and that was this year. He had 2 in 50 G in 2009, and 2 in 82 G in 2011.
ChipperisGod
November 2nd, 2012
5:05 pm
This move befuddles me. Resign Reed Johnson, keep Constanza to be your back up outfielders. And Constanza for pinch running purposes. Then you have David Ross as your back up catcher, Francisco at third (on bench), and Janish as a back up 2B, SS, 3B. That’s five bench players. And good bench players at that, that are useful and aren’t a waste of a roster spot. Schafer isn’t anywhere close to being the player that any of these guys are and doesn’t add any of this supposed “depth”.
There is no need for Schafer unless you lose Johnson, and even if you do, I’d rather see Evan Gattis out there than Schafer.
Darryl Blackberry
November 2nd, 2012
5:14 pm
If If If:
For those who’ve actually followed the Schafer saga, it seems pretty obvious he was covering for someone else. Jordan was never caught with PEDs in his system, but he had possession of a certain some’n some’n, which was good enough to get him suspended. Evidence of young stupidity, perhaps, but nothing more than that.
Also: is it just me, or are the worst trolls on here the ones who still think the Braves are playing in the Nineties on Ted Turner’s dime? Times have changed. Besides, it’s not like Frank Wren is making minor moves like this — instead of, say, re-signing Bourn — ’cause he gets to keep the extra unspent money for himself or anything.
yogi
November 2nd, 2012
5:22 pm
lost another roster spot to this bum. how many young players will this druggie influence. at least Milky Carberra can hit
Mike McDonald
November 2nd, 2012
6:06 pm
Now that there seems to be a modicum of support for Schafer, perhaps Frenchy will appear stage left. Another multi-tool, never-say-die guy who might just thrive on home cookin’ and good batting coaching. Might just add up to two pairs of dynamic duos in 2013. Heyward/Freeman & McCann/Francoeur. Alttle help from Chipper and Brian’s dad might just be the medicine the Cobb County kids need.
JayBee
November 2nd, 2012
6:52 pm
The Angels did not tender a qualifying offer to Torii Hunter, so he could be an affordable option for LF. He had definitely lost some speed, but still hit .313 this year with 16 HRs and 92 RBI. Don’t know if he can be lured away from the West Coast, but he is a solid right-handed bat who is supposedly a good guy in the clubhouse.
longtimefan
November 2nd, 2012
7:36 pm
The truth is none of you know what Frank Wren’s plans are. The move costs us nothing. FW could acquire Verlander and Trout for a bag of balls and many of you would find the negative in it. It is the nature of many on this blog to constantly criticize his every move. Do you remember who he gave up to get Bourn? A year and a half service for Bourn and we will likely receive a first round equivalent draft pick if we don’t sign him. Sounds like some pretty savvy horse trading to me. and for those that continually like to point out FWs misses( as if all other GMs bat 1.000 on FA and trade acquisitions), lets give him credit for the young talent assembled on this team during his watch.
mpimentel
November 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm
Interesting game tonigth in DOM REP winter league, licey (teheran satrting ,delgado in the bullpen) against east’s bulls starting horacio ramirez ( a former brave) and constanza cf…btw constanza hit a rocket against teheral in the 1st…. You can follow the game on: http://www.lidom.com or http://www.licey.com
Nerdville
November 2nd, 2012
8:49 pm
schafer?! jordan schafer??!! wtf is going on in atlanta? it is only november and that numbskull wren is already bottom fishing again.
G
November 2nd, 2012
9:46 pm
Frank Wren strikes again with another below mediocre move that makes no sense.
bostonbravo
November 2nd, 2012
10:19 pm
At least now blog canhave more misspells….Schaefer & Medlin.
Jordan Schafer
November 2nd, 2012
11:38 pm
I am please to be back on the Atlanta Braves, I know I have allot of critics since I was dealt to the Houston Astros, but I can promise all of you, I will play my tail off and bring this team a championship in 2013!
Best wishes,
Jordan Schafer
#1 Atlanta Braves Outfielder
Kujohn
November 2nd, 2012
11:58 pm
Not sure if that’s Jordan or not But I’m sure he has taken a look at this blog I think he will be the braves center fielder Was pissed when they traded him I predict he will have a year similar to Bournes past season Shafer. Prado. Heyward ( Hamilton ) freeman uggla Mac Simmons
Teddy B
November 3rd, 2012
12:16 am
Here’s hoping that Jordan can stay clean. He had a lot of promise until that whole wrist injury and everything. I really liked him in ‘09, but he had some tough luck since then. Its nice to have speed like that on the bench but then again you have to consider that he’ll be around our young guys and hopefully he doesn’t corrupt anyone into following him on the dark side.
I’d just be cautious about him. When he’s on the right path he plays pretty well, so I hope he put all that stupid kid stuff behind him. He still has a shot of becoming an above average player. I’m glad to see him back but I’m also hoping he doesn’t drag anyone else down with him if he gets busted doing anything wrong again.
Peter
November 3rd, 2012
5:57 am
Schafer.. How exciting…… Really ? And they thought Blanco and Infante couldn’t play ?
All we need is another guy who want s to be a home run hitter, that will continue to fly out.
Wren doesn’t have a clue really does HE ?
Well at least the Braves can continue to be as boring as they have always been…. nothing like consistency !
Peter
November 3rd, 2012
6:03 am
If Schafer gives us some of the same intensity, defense, and offensive numbers as Blanco gave the Giants, this will not be a bad pick up at all.
HA HA HA HA HA H A……. All funny business with WREN…… too bad we don’t still have Rick Ankiel …that worked out great !
Harold Butler
November 3rd, 2012
11:02 am
Another great move by Frank Wren notjing like getting a solid 211 BA player to add to your depth. He gets hurt almost as much as Chipper.
cornjolio
November 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm
your 2013 starting centerfielder ….
Jordan Schafer !!!!
Bob the Blogger
November 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm
Schaffer is the outfield equivalent of Paul Janish. Great defense, but don’t expect much offensive. We have to have some bench players who can hit.
I like the idea of moving Pastornicky to the outfield. His speed should be an asset there, and he has always been projected to hit. Based on last year’s performance, I think the Braves will be leary of playing him in the infield similar to the way they got gun-shy of Brooks Conrad. Pastornicky could develop into a player who could play good defense at all three outfield positions while providing some decent offensive as a switch hitter – an ideal 4th outfielder.
bostonbravo
November 3rd, 2012
4:21 pm
bring bk Brooks Conrad!! couldn’t field or hit but fun to watch struggle.
Jerry Royster
November 3rd, 2012
10:44 pm
I don’t think much more of Shafer than a pinch hit or pinch run spot…not a fan of many historical Brave’s re-treads. Are we inviting Julio Franco to spring training too? I heard he has been working out at 3rd on his off days in the Mets minors.
Braves Fan
November 4th, 2012
1:21 am
It does not matter who the braves get, the minute he gets here he will completely forget how to hit. Are any of you seeing the management staff leaving year after year for winning teams or teams who will spend money to develop. The Braves have stopped developing players long ago. Once Liberty bought the team we have been a developmental team for other teams. Look at where all our talent has gone and what we actually got in return. I am no longer impressed with the owners, team or managers. None of them are top notch any more. Its a pity.
BlauserPower
November 4th, 2012
6:13 am
we do not need Bourne, as a matter of fact a full healthy year from (gasp!) Shaeffer would be very close to replacement lvl. Braves must change their offensive approach in order to compete fore titles and a good start would be not resign a player who whiffed over 150 times last year!
Aja hunt
November 4th, 2012
11:04 am
Don’t know about anyone else, but I’d take Constanza over this head case any day
Amber Girl
November 4th, 2012
9:18 pm
Braves have enough players in the system. They don’t need to get anybody. Go Braves!!!
Constanza
November 5th, 2012
1:19 am
I don’t understand the team’s handling of Constanza…he brings energy and speed to burn, a b.a. of 280-ish…did he eat Franks’ cookies or something?
John A.
November 5th, 2012
11:40 am
I have never been a Frank Wren supporter. When he was with Baltimore his performance was dismal, and since arriving in Atlanta he hasn’t improved. A lot of people want to poke their fingers in Liberty Media direction, but if you were a CEO of Liberty would you want to offer more money to the Braves based on the manner in which Frank has spent what was available? I didn’t think so, and neither would I. John S. needs to be replaced because his selection of Management people has made him look bad. When he was GM we consistantly were in the playoff, but since his departure everything has taken a nose dive, thanks to Frank and Dredi.
Rick C
November 5th, 2012
12:41 pm
Constanza, his BA is still pretty inflated from his first month in the ML. He only hit 250/321/276 this season. Speed is a useful tool but it is not the end all be all. Need to be able to get on base at a consistent rate and have at least some power.