Beachy working on patience as he begins throwing program

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien.)

While the rest of the baseball world is winding down, Braves right-hander Brandon Beachy is just getting cranked up in his recovery from elbow reconstruction surgery.

And he couldn’t be more excited about it. The night before Beachy threw for the first time in four months, he laid out his clothes like it was the first day of school.

“I felt giddy, like a little kid,” Beachy said. “It was fun.”

The sling and the long face are long gone for Brandon Beachy

The sling and the long face are long gone for Brandon Beachy

Beachy is four months removed from his June 21 surgery and a week into his throwing program. He’s still simply lobbing the ball from 30 feet, playing catch with Braves physical therapist Lloyd Van Pamelen in a grassy lot outside his rehabilitation clinic in Gwinnett.

“If I was throwing it left-handed you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference,” Beachy said. “But it’s better than nothing.”

On Wednesday he’s scheduled to move back to throwing from 45 feet and the progression will begin. But Beachy, who counted down the days until he threw again, has stopped counting.

As regimented as the typical rehab schedule is, he knows he could be throwing off a mound again in a “few months” barring setbacks. But he doesn’t want to get ahead of himself.

“I’m not patient at all,” Beachy said. “So it’s better for me not to know when that’s coming than to sit here and think about it and get even more anxious.”

So while Braves fans project that the typical 12-14 month recovery from “Tommy John” surgery could put Beachy back sometime around the All-Star break, Beachy is only checking off milestones he’s already reached on the calendar he keeps in Gwinnett.

In some ways, at least maybe for his barber, he’s actually ahead of schedule. Beachy vowed he wouldn’t cut his hair until he started throwing a ball again. But he still hasn’t cut it yet, even though his last haircut was a week before his June 21 surgery.

“I’m just going to let it keep going for a little while,” Beachy said. “Don’t expect me to show up to spring training with a ponytail or anything like that.”

No, Beachy still wants to be his recognizable self, and that goes for pitching especially. When he blew out his ulnar collateral ligament June 16 against the Baltimore Orioles, Beachy was leading the National League in ERA at 2.00.

He had spent the first 2 ½ months of the season showing how much more economical a pitcher he could be, and as a result, highly effective. Beachy was the Braves most consistent starter when he got hurt.

“That was such a long time ago,” Beachy said. “I felt like I was doing some really good things and I was getting closer to that point where I was establishing myself to where people and myself knew what to expect. I’ve got a long road to start building that back up. I’m going to have to work at it.”

Kris Medlen has given him a pretty good template to follow. Medlen went 9-0 with a 0.97 ERA in 12 starts coming down the stretch in his first full season after “Tommy John” surgery.

“What I saw Medlen do the final couple months of the season couldn’t have helped me more mentally to show me how quickly and how well he’s come back from it,” Beachy said. “There’s no reason for me to think that I can’t come back and be just as good as I was before.

Medlen has encouraged Beachy to be patient, to keep the “hump” in his 30-foot throws, even when he feels like he can throw it through a wall.

Beachy got his full range of motion back within a few weeks of the surgery. He’s been lifting weights again for a month. His shoulder is as strong, he said, as it’s ever been.

The bigger challenge has been the mental side and warding off any doubts. Patience is key for that too.

“I’m cerebral,” Beachy said. “And I’ve thought about every scenario. It all comes down to just doing what I can do and taking it step by step.”

Free agent compensation

Free agent movement won’t begin until after the World Series, but figured I might go ahead and take a stab at explaining the new compensation rules, if nothing else, to educate myself a little bit!

Braves could get supplement pick if Bourn signs elsewhere

Braves could get supplement pick if Bourn signs elsewhere

Compensation for departing free agents has changed this year based on the new collective bargaining agreement, and there are no longer Type A and Type B free agents. Teams can only get only one supplemental round pick as compensation now, instead of both a supplemental pick as well as a first round pick from the signing team, as Type A free agents have in the past.

Michael Bourn is likely the only Braves soon-to-be free agent who would command compensation if he signs with another team. Here’s how it would work, as I understand it:

If Bourn signs with another team, the only way the Braves can receive a supplemental first round pick as compensation is if they have first made Bourn a qualifying offer. This year the qualifying offer would be one year for $12-$13 million, which is based on the average salary of the top 125 players from 2012.

If Bourn doesn’t accept that offer and signs with another team, the Braves would get a supplemental first round pick, and the team he signs with would have to forfeit a first round pick (assuming it’s not in the first 10 overall picks, which are protected, and in that case the team would forfeit its next highest pick). The Braves wouldn’t be rewarded that first round pick, though, it would just disappear. The first round would just get shortened.

Bourn could still sign with the Braves if he doesn’t accept the qualifying offer.

Players can file for free agency as soon as the World Series ends. Teams can make qualifying offers for five days after the season. Free agents have an additional seven days to accept or decline that offer.

Other Braves due to become free agents, but who wouldn’t command a qualifying offer are: David Ross, Eric Hinske, Lyle Overbay, Chad Durbin, Peter Moylan, Jeff Baker, Matt Diaz, Reed Johnson, and Miguel Batista.

The Braves have until three days after the World Series to come to a decision on the options for Brian McCann ($12 million), Tim Hudson ($9 million) and Paul Maholm ($6.5 million). I’d be surprised if all three aren’t picked up, but we’ll see how that goes. In case you missed it, here’s DOB’s story on McCann’s shoulder surgery and Mark Bradley’s take on the Braves’ upcoming decision.

Braves players eligible for arbitration this year are Martin Prado, Eric O’Flaherty, Jair Jurrjens (likely to be non-tendered), Tommy Hanson, Kris Medlen, Paul Janish, Jason Heyward, Jonny Venters, and Cristhian Martinez.

Gattis watch

The Braves have about two dozen players playing winter ball in Latin America and in the Arizona Fall League – players like Evan Gattis, who are trying to make up for time they lost during the season because of injuries. It looks like the power-hitting catcher/left fielder and Fredi Gonzalez favorite is making the most of his time in Venezuela.

Gattis, who missed six weeks of his Double-A season with strained ligaments in his left wrist, got off to a hot start with the club in Zulia, Venezuela.

He opened winter ball with a six-game hitting streak, while batting 9-for-23 (.391) with four doubles, a home run and eight RBIs over that stretch. It looks like the pitchers caught on a little bit after that – he was 2-for-14 in his next four games – but Gattis was still hitting .297 (11-for-37) in his first 10 games through Sunday.

Gattis probably doesn’t figure into the Braves immediate plans, but he should get his second straight invitation to big league camp in spring training, and if keeps doing what he’s doing, who knows? He could give the Braves a power-hitting right-handed bat they’ve needed.

Before Gattis’ injury last year, he had hit .336 with 12 doubles, 13 home runs and 43 RBIs in 140 at-bats between high A Lynchburg and Double-A Mississippi. He hit 22 home runs in 88 games a year ago in Class A Rome.

6,466 comments Add your comment

Gustopher

October 22nd, 2012
9:16 pm

jeffrey d

October 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Thanks, Carroll!

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm

Be patient Brandon — if you rehab right you will be back in full force.

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:26 pm

Now I lead this blong in posts.

jeffrey d

October 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm

A blong, eh?

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm

Hold on to it SF — you are making some Braves fans happy.

Its worth staying up to see the Cards go down in defeat.

Jake W. (The original)

October 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm

From the last blog,

Would be very fitting if the cards lost this series by blowing it. They have spent the last couple of years capitalizing on everybody else’s mistakes, this time they are the ones that blew it. They’re a good team but this run over the last two years wasn’t entirely of their making.

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm

eh — blog– blong yea its only spelling lol.

Jake W. (The original)

October 22nd, 2012
9:30 pm

Now to support the NL in the world series or root for the tigers, I just hope it is a good series. If I can’t watch my favorite team play I at least want to be entertained.

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:31 pm

I don;t think the Cards are a great team, but they are a pretty good team playing in the Central who have been the beneficiary of circumstance.

Still have to give them credit for winning the big gmes they have but I still think the Braves were the better team in both yrs, but we did not get it done.

Is it sour grapes??? Yea, sort of.

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:34 pm

I am rooting for the Tigers cause I like that owner Mike Illitch who has been a great sports steward in his ownership of both the Red Wings and Tigers.

Jim Leyland helped bring that franchise back on the map.

Would we not love to have an Illitch in our city. Well, we would still have our hockey team had we had a guy like that on our side.

At least we do have Art Blank, that is one nice thing to say about ATL sports ownership

BFChris28

October 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm

Keep the lead Giants!!!!!

rainman34

October 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm

I dont think you lose the pick if you resign your own free agent. It may have changed but that would be crazy.

BFChris28

October 22nd, 2012
9:37 pm

I am rooting for Tigers all the way, but I want it to be Tigers/Giants WS, just to get back at Cardinals :lol:

Disgusted

October 22nd, 2012
9:48 pm

I did not know the Braves could lose their first pick under those circumstances.

That is not good.

richbrave

October 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm

SOUTH OF THE BORDER

DOMINICA

No games

MEXICO

No games

PUERTO RICO

1B RUBEN GOTAY [.245 BA] 0-4

VENEZUELA

No games

phil

October 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm

The better team? Us?

No.

“Better” teams don’t consistently underperform under immense pressure like we do….

We’ll see what happens post-Chipper.

Nice write up, Carroll….

Chipper's Southern Bell

October 22nd, 2012
10:58 pm

Tired of Bourne speculation. I like braves farm guys that came up in the system

Braveone

October 22nd, 2012
11:09 pm

From the previous blog which had 6,738 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 471 posts. There were 387 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 TheOnlyBravesFan 471
2 Efrim 459
3 nolie 377
4 ncscoots 339
5 Murph 224
6 P-Town Brave © 223
7 Homer of A-town sports 219
8 Shaun 215
9 jeffrey d 191
10 Lew 181
11 DS1 142
12 Venice Jim 138
13 phil 130
14 TennesseePaul 122
15 raleighbravefan 119
16 Jeff R 115
17 RC 115
18 Nowhere man 105
19 David O’Brien 99
20 George_George 98
21 Ward 95
22 DAP 89
23 richbrave 89
24 HooRah 84
25 MFin04 81

menlobrave

October 22nd, 2012
11:33 pm

Yadier Molina says “The Giants played to win. We played the last 3 games like the choking losing dogs we are.” Things are happy here in NorCal, but I still would have preferred the Braves playing Detroit.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 22nd, 2012
11:42 pm

The Giants are going to the World Series!!!! Happy flight, Yadier.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 22nd, 2012
11:45 pm

infield fly to end it too

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
12:02 am

toldja all yesterday the Giants would go to the WS :D

rainman34

October 23rd, 2012
12:16 am

Had an idea today. What about a trade for choo to play left and leadoff. He has a lifetime obp over 380 and has 18 to 20 homer pop. He does struggle against leftys but we could through johnson in there every once in a while. He stands to make around 8 mill in arb and will be a free agent after 13 so it could be a one and done but my not take as much to get him because of that. Now if you dont like that part of it you’ll hate this we then could sign upton to play center for around 12 to 13 mill. Leaving anywhere from 7 to 10 mill for bull pin and rotation upgrades.
choo
prado
heyward
freeman
upton
mac
uglla
simmions
Go tigers sweep the Giants so we can start the offseason of the braves fans dreams.

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
12:19 am

we need another lefty who can’t hit lefties like we need cancer. What is so hard to understand about the fact that we have a losing record against lefty starters and twenty games over 500 against righties

nolie

October 23rd, 2012
12:24 am

right, we need somebody who can hit both, and that is usually , though not always, a RHed hitter

Kris

October 23rd, 2012
12:43 am

Evan Gettis is our Michael Morse. He will be our opening day left fielder in 2013.

nolie

October 23rd, 2012
12:46 am

I really seriously doubt that Kris

Nowhere man

October 23rd, 2012
12:52 am

Thanks Carroll. Good to see some new ink.

Bmac will be back no sense in debating it.

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
12:54 am

What is this a joke? i already knew Beachy bad azz now give me some info on what wren is thinking

Venice Jim

October 23rd, 2012
12:56 am

Thanks, Carroll !

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
12:59 am

how come Homer and Nowhere man show up together so often? They dating?

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:01 am

Tell me how the braves going after Pierre Inge or how sh fowler is in our sites or Revere is coming back to his homeland but I already know Beachy is good, I need some real stuff not stuff I already know

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:05 am

Brave one better go back to that site i am not done i go from 7th to 1 before it is all done the count is not over

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:05 am

yeah We know that AJC already knows just what Wren will do this winter. You are letting us down Carroll.

ChipperisGod

October 23rd, 2012
1:07 am

Put Gattis on the bench. Guy sounds like he’s been tearing it up in the minors. Better him than Hinske, Overbay or Baker. And if he’s not the answer then big deal. He’s a high reward, low risk guy. Start him out on the bench, and see what happens.

Can’t wait for Beachy to get back, I know he’s anxious, but take it one day at a time Brandon. You are one of our three future aces.

If Beachy can regain his form and Meds, and Minor can pitch like they have been, we may have the next Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz. Maybe not as good, but we can finally have three shut down pitchers again that our young and about to enter their prime.

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:12 am

stick him on the bench and you pretty much slow down most of his development.
Most likely will start the season in the minors unless he has a huge winter and spring.

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:15 am

Durango and Gattis toss to the ladies and drink to the lads fill up the glasses 13 is ours

Nowhere man

October 23rd, 2012
1:16 am

Carroll can Hoorah be banned for being nonsensical?

Nowhere man

October 23rd, 2012
1:18 am

Hoorah’ s comments about Cancer and Gays should be enough to bozo him.

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:19 am

you should stay away from talking about bans Nowhere

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:19 am

Gays? where did I say anything about gays?

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:21 am

saying cancer is bannable? Really? What an idiot you truly are

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:22 am

rocky road to dublin aka WS it cross my mind for the road it cross my mind The Braves need some ringers some spiirits that the capt. knows the Chipper dayes over and thank God for that

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:24 am

Some struggle Braves oye

rainman34

October 23rd, 2012
1:26 am

You find a right handed hitter with a lifetime obp over 380 with a ops over 800 and then we will talk. I notice you made no suggestions on who we should go get. My lineup would give us 4 right handed hitters and 4 left as balanced as it gets.

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:29 am

Braves seen Gnat on DC and said ahhhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh welwolf of london, Tomahawks of the Atl again, ahhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh welworlves of Lodon, Stay away from them dc they rip out your limbs, Fool rizzo say i like to meet our tailor, but Wren’s hair was perfect

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:30 am

FOUND him and his name is Pierre

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:32 am

we need a lefty like we need cancer, or another Nowhere Man. We have too many of our important hitters as lefties already plus for his career Uggla hits righties better than lefties.
The facts speak for themselves, we are below average against lefty starters and you want to bring in yet another one who hits .249 .338 .358 .695 …UNDER 700 FCS- against lefties. Sick sick sick

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:34 am

We already lead the world in facing lefty starters, we’d be looking at even more when they saw that 695 OPS added to a lineup that can’t hit them anyway

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:34 am

Go on home DC let us be. You never beat Wren take a tip and let us be. for 14 str8 yrs this was our division so funk you gnats this is our division. fight you without fear. fought phi. without phi. back off Rizzo let us be we fight without fear, you got no home of your own you canada based mlb welfare team

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:38 am

Is your native language something other than English, Homer? Sometimes I have trouble understanding what you are sating.

rainman34

October 23rd, 2012
1:38 am

guessing pierre is a joke being he is at 346 obp and 709 ops. If it makes us better in the other 70 plus percent of the time against righties then yes. I also said play johnson some of the time. You still have not said who you would go after. 380 obp and 800 plus ops also speaks for its self. Something we didnt have on our team last year. So yes it would be sick to add that to our team.

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:40 am

Why you so worried about me hoorah? I promised I not the one that broke your marriage. let me be

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:41 am

Juan Pierre is not a joke, I like him

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:42 am

citing those stats are useless because we need help against lefties and he absolutely stinks against them. we do not need a platoon player who would cost us what he would in trade

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:45 am

not worried about you Homer, just trying to understand what you say most of the time. Its like you think it is cool to talk in some kind of street gibberish or drunken stupor most of the time saying nothing that makes any sense.
It probably wouldn’t make any sense anyway, but at least we would know for sure

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:45 am

I already beat A. Blank try to take my Falcons from the Southside, I think I can handle a boy yrs beyond his age of trying to poor a glass in a dirty glass that bites off more then he can chew. I bet you the first to point the finger and say Richard Jew. was guilty when he was a got dang hero

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:46 am

what is there to like about Pierre?

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:47 am

I bet you the first to point the finger and say Richard Jew. was guilty when he was a got dang hero @Homer

you see? who the hell can tell what you are babbling about?

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:49 am

your family failed apart and you not have the heart to finish what you started. I know your type. how about you leave me alone and i leave you alone you gave up and i still have my family your plan fail apart and you walked out that door for selfish dreams so leave me alone

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:51 am

more total crap. and did you mean Richard Jewel, and if so what did he have to do with a baseball blog?

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:52 am

You don’t know Richard Jewell a GA legend I rest my case

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:54 am

Richard jewell is a god in my book

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
1:56 am

you spelled you God’s name wrong dumbass

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:58 am

So So Def Jermaine dupri went to my elem. school and hs west clayton and north clayton hs. seen him in whodini video before he a star he was our west clayton elementry school legend before so so def

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
1:59 am

you don’t know my god i am a pagan i like shooting dice don’t bring religion in this

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
2:00 am

HooRah

October 23rd, 2012
2:00 am

you were the one who called someone a God, or did you forget already?

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
2:04 am

My God is the one Zack on Ghost adv. is scared of no matter how hard he cry for nick and arron to help him. he see the truth about my god

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
2:07 am

inner city kids cry moms on crack on the dirty looks of jealousy makes the dope man man this has to stop and a Braves championship can get us on the road to zion

Homer of A-town sports

October 23rd, 2012
2:10 am

Braves need to be ninja’s nobody kiss them just respect them

Astral

October 23rd, 2012
3:05 am

not a very good put-on Homer, nobody could really be that screwed up

Ward

October 23rd, 2012
3:34 am

Hello everyone! Just coming on for one post, and let the comedy keep rolling……. Just when you thought you heard everything, and will leave it as that! LOL…….Talk tomorrow, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”

Half Empty

October 23rd, 2012
4:40 am

I am something of a Choo fan, but I’m not sure he is a great fit for the Braves, nor do I think he would be all that cheap.

nolie

October 23rd, 2012
7:08 am

actually if you think of Choo as a leadoff guy, he makes some sense. Even though he is weak against LHed pitchers, his OBP is still around 340 he just hits with a lot less power. course he’d have to play LF so if the LFer is the lead off guy what does the CFer do since I can’t think of any feared RHed hitting CFers available. Maybe Choo hits second?
However from a practical standpoint the thing is that he only has one year left and would likely cost more in trade than they would want to go.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 23rd, 2012
7:55 am

toldja all yesterday the Giants would go to the WS

And I said they’ll win it. Let’s go Giants.

Choo is a Boras client as well…

CB

October 23rd, 2012
8:13 am

Is it ok to be happy Cardinals blew a 3-1 lead? I guess they quit playing to win.

Jeff R

October 23rd, 2012
8:15 am

Thanks for the new post, DOB.

So, the question of the day: What stings more to respective fans? The Braves losing the play-in to the Cards, or the Cards dropping a 3-1 advantage to the Giants?

CB

October 23rd, 2012
8:18 am

It just hurts,man. :-)

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 23rd, 2012
8:27 am

I’d have to say the Cards… 3 chances to win, and get beat soundly in all 3. Outscored 20-1.

old man

October 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

Gattis’ pre-injury at bats last year would be great even in Little League. That is better than one HR every 11 at bats. (Better than Babe Ruth’s number, and better than McGwire/Bonds steroid juiced numbers). Of course he can’t maintain that over a full season even in AA, and 2013 in ATL would be a stretch for him. But you certainly have to keep a close eye on him. If he just falls in our lap next spring as a starting left fielder with pop, don’t look for reasons to say no.

abeeeewright

October 23rd, 2012
8:31 am

Thanks for a blog on Beachy’s progress, Carroll.

Options, Bourn, and Beachy. Who will be nontendered?

Let the Silly Season begin.

old man

October 23rd, 2012
8:35 am

Giants in the World Series means that Pagan’s price goes up, unless he really flops. Just moderately good play, plus the constant TV exposure, will cause his price to rise. Especially if the Giants win, in which case he will be viewed as a “proven winner.” His price will go up even among sophisticated front office people. I reckon a Giants win in the Fall Classic would cost us a cool million per year if we sign him.

rainman34

October 23rd, 2012
8:38 am

nolie thats is why I said upton for center for his power. He would give j hey and freeman just enough protection from lefties.As far as what choo would cost im not sure what they will want for him as they know he will not resign with them. I was thinking maholm and a sprull type prospect might be enough. mlbtraderumors seem to think any roster player would do so a forth starter and a third to forth starter prospect might do.

braveshoo

October 23rd, 2012
8:39 am

Option 1: Trade Hanson, Uggla, and a tier 2 minor league pitcher to Minn. for Span or Revera and Willingham. Then sign Scuttoro. Option 2: Sign Pagan and Cody Ross.

Mixxo

October 23rd, 2012
8:48 am

We need hitting.

We DON’T need Brian McCann!

Jeff R

October 23rd, 2012
9:00 am

Carroll, apologies. I should read the by-lines! Thanks for the blog.

jeffrey d

October 23rd, 2012
9:02 am

We need hitting.

We DON’T need Brian McCann!

For real. What does that 6 time Silver Slugger know about hitting?

Jeff R

October 23rd, 2012
9:04 am

I’d have to say the Cards… 3 chances to win, and get beat soundly in all 3. Outscored 20-1.

I’d say the Cards loss stings a lot more for the reasons you stated.

In this case, close only counts in horseshoes.

Lemke's Knuckler

October 23rd, 2012
9:06 am

So if the Braves make a qualifying offer to Bourn and he doesn’t accept, and then the Braves sign him to a long-term contract, the Braves would forfeit their first round pick?

I’ll call that a win for the players and agents. Probably won’t see as many qualifying offers being made, which should open up free agency.

So I’m guessing if the Braves make a qualifying offer, we can probably assume they have no intention of bringing Bourn back. Can’t imagine he would accept a qualifying offer.

ncscoots

October 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

So if the Braves make a qualifying offer to Bourn and he doesn’t accept, and then the Braves sign him to a long-term contract, the Braves would forfeit their first round pick?

I love Carroll, truly I do, but I don’t think this is correct.

Rob P

October 23rd, 2012
9:10 am

I read that as well and found that weird. After doing some research, the Braves would NOT lose their first round pick if they make a qualifying offer to Bourn and he signs elsewhere. Summarized well here:

Once a team makes a qualifying offer, the player has two choices: he can accept the one-year deal or decline in it search of other offers. If he declines the offer and signs elsewhere, his new team will have to surrender a top draft pick (the selection doesn’t go to the player’s former team).

Teams that sign free agents who turned down qualifying offers will surrender their first round picks. However, the forfeited picks don’t go to other MLB teams. Instead, the first round simply becomes condensed.

Note that it says NEW team. Would be overly punitive to lose a pick for re-signing your own player. Don’t think even the players union would want that.

Efrim

October 23rd, 2012
9:15 am

Bourn could still sign with the Braves if he doesn’t accept the qualifying offer, but the Braves would have to forfeit a first round pick.

Carroll, are you sure about this? If the Braves make a qualifying offer to Bourn, he doesn’t accept it, but then he signs with his own team later in the offseason – the Braves have to forfeit their OWN first round draft choice? This is the first place where I have seen that documented, and to be honest, it doesn’t make a ton of sense, but maybe your right?

Finally the Cardinal's luck ran out!

October 23rd, 2012
9:15 am

Finally the Cardinal’s luck ran out! That is all they had thepast two years!

jim

October 23rd, 2012
9:16 am

Braves need RH impact hitter who can carry the team. I would see what it takes to get Ryan Braun from Milwaukee.

Efrim

October 23rd, 2012
9:18 am

Lemke's Knuckler

October 23rd, 2012
9:19 am

jim…”I would see what it takes to get Ryan Braun from Milwaukee”

How much you got? Take that and multiply it by infinity, then add in a few more on top of that.

RC

October 23rd, 2012
9:20 am

Bourn could still sign with the Braves if he doesn’t accept the qualifying offer, but the Braves would have to forfeit a first round pick.

Are you sure that’s accurate?? I will admit that I haven’t read the new rules all the way through, but I’d be very surprised if a team was penalized a draft pick for re-signing their own free agent. The entire point of the process is to give teams an upper hand in resigning their own guys.

ncscoots

October 23rd, 2012
9:24 am

The other thing is, the Braves don’t have to make the one-year offer at the qualifying minimum. As long as their offer to Bourn has an AAV at or above the qualifying minimum, it counts. Thus, if they plan to offer him 5/$75MM in any event, they can use that as a qualifying offer and have that small window of exclusivity to at least make the guy think a little. Bird in the hand, and all that.

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