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TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
5:33 pm
Mac will and should be here next year… we reevaluate after we win the World Series next year. If he performs well, he’ll be the best catcher on the market, hell, he will probably be the most attractive free agent. Hopefully we can bring him back for 3 more years. 5-6 if they add the DH to the NL. If he does poorly, we look for our next catcher. Only 2 spots to fill next year… 2 SP spots and C. No need to have Frank looking for catching earlier than necessary.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm
About as close to a never as you can come to in baseball.
Right up there with landing a power-hitting LF.
Lew
October 23rd, 2012
5:35 pm
They wouldn’t decline the option and then turn around and sign him to an extension – they would convert the option year to a longer term deal for more years at increased dollars. No need to turn down the option to extend him. They did it like that with Chipper’s last deal.
HooRah
October 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm
I swear sometimes that P-Town Brave is Robert. same attitude, same quickness to snark when argued with, same opinions on most things
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:38 pm
Don’t insult my intelligence….and also to say I agree w/ that *ss clown….
WOW…
HooRah
October 23rd, 2012
5:39 pm
I just don’t think players think in terms of just getting a 2 year deal so that they can possibly make more down the road, @Shaun
Ross specifically stated that the took a shorter deal so that he could make more down the road. He must not have checked with you first to find out that it just is not done
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm
Fredi managing to keep his job next year? Or is he just about a lock to be back in ‘14 (Braves hold an option)
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:41 pm
BTW….you must be reading the articles from a few days ago….
I haven’t had a single argument I can recall of today….at least not one Ive actively participated in…..
And Nolie….yeah, he doesn’t seem much like the Braves style….I personally like his brashness, but then again, I much prefer the boss who tells me how he feels to my face rather than hearing it from other mediums
HooRah
October 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm
If they have a decent year he will probably be back, and no that does not necessarily mean getting to the post season
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:42 pm
Hoorah-
Thats really hard to pinpoint…..a lot goes into what guys look for and what guys take….value, age, position, market, agent….
In Ross’ case, I can’t see anyone offering him more than that at least in terms of length….
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
5:43 pm
Bobby told them to their face, he just didn’t do it in public
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
5:45 pm
I don’t know what Ross will get this year, but he did turn down a two year offer from the Braves for a one year deal.I’ll guess that he gets 3/27 maybe
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:46 pm
Nolie-
Agreed….I wasn’t comparing Braves to Ozzie…..
More to that statement was comparing bosses I have had….and yeah, definitely prefer one over the other because at least you when you’re doing a good job and when not
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm
Woah…woah woah…
You think David Ross is gonna get a 9M AAV?!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
5:47 pm
I’d give Ross that… Delgado is worth the 2mil to me
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm
sorry wrong Ross, I was referring to Cody since that is whom HooRah brought up
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:55 pm
Nolie-
Ok…whew….I guess I assumed you guys were talking the resigning of David Ross since every 5th message is what we’re doing about the catchers spot….
BTW….I dunno if you saw my post earlier today, but what do you think about Gaby Sanchez as a bench guy? Could backup at 1b well and hits lefties really well career
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
5:57 pm
Hoorah-
BTW….in case you didn’t pay attention back in the day, I am one of the people that tried to run ole Robert off….
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
6:00 pm
Anyways, have a great night guys….time to head off towards home.
jim
October 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
David Ross is in his free agency year where he will get his last crack at a lucrative offer. He is the best back up catcher in baseball and that will attract a lot of attention from the rest of MLB. I would not be surprised if he were to get a three year offer from some suitor at five million per year or a two year offer for more money. Can the Braves afford to keep both McCann and Ross and pay the catcher position about 18% of their payroll?
Ken Stallings
October 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
Show of hands, please.
Worst baseball owner in America — Jeffery Loria?
Evidence for voting “Yes:”
Has hired and fired (assuming he finds anyone to replace Ozzie Guillen) his fifth manager since 2012 — in only two years!
Has hired a huge payroll obligation of talented veterans, and suddenly offloaded them in fire sales.
Heavily leveraged himself on a new stadium that is routinely criticized for being a dungeon where hard hit fly balls go to die. This will ensure the odds of getting any free agent power hitter is less than zero.
Singled himself out as the only curmudgeon short-sighted enough to stiff retiring legend Bobby Cox by not providing any parting gift when every other team in baseball did so in Bobby’s farewell tour.
Evidence for voting, “No:”
…… ugh …… let me get back to you on that one!
Ken Stallings
October 23rd, 2012
6:08 pm
Type … meant to say “since 2012…”
cricket
October 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
nobody here can seriously even consider the possibility that the Braves would ever hire Ozzie, can they?
no, but he can supplant DOB as a “tough-questions-asking” sumbich
N8
October 23rd, 2012
6:12 pm
“Can the Braves afford to keep both McCann and Ross and pay the catcher position about 18% of their payroll”
If they choose to keep Mac and somewhat build their team around him…. then it’s a MUST to have Ross back, no matter the cost.
When a guy like Mac is that important to your offense, you can’t have that significant of a drop off to the back up and expect things to flow the same if you need your back up at some point.
That would be like having Arod n his prime at SS and then having your back up be Janish and not expect a significant difference when needed.
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
6:27 pm
“Find me another team who used their catcher as one of the main “cleanup” hitters in their lineup?”
This is not the most challenging question. Buster Posey hit 3rd in 4 World Series games and clean-up in the other 2 in 2010. And since he just hit clean-up last night, there is a decent chance he does so again tomorrow night.
BFChris28
October 23rd, 2012
6:31 pm
I hope Braves kick tires on Micah Owings and turn him into a position player. Dude can rake.
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
6:31 pm
To a larger point, David Ross needs to be brought back because David Ross is a wildly underpaid asset. And I would feel that way if his next contract paid him double, maybe even triple.
I live in hope that David Ross manages the Atlanta Braves one day in the not too distant future.
rramo
October 23rd, 2012
6:39 pm
Hello everyone bigtime braves fan here! My take on some moves I would like 2 c. If Anyone could give me an idea of payroll after these moves I would greatly appreciate it!
1st- trade the 3-4 prospects it would take to put J Upton in lf
2nd- re up bourn for 12-14mill a yr. 4-5 yrs
3rd- prado 2 third
4th- ship Hanson off while we still can
5th- starting rotation 1 Hudson 2 medlin 3 malholm 4 minor 5 Delgado
Bonus move- moving uggla, prado to 2nd, the “big guy” at 3rd! I no we can all dream right!
Any comments on payroll and moves would b appreciated!
rramo
October 23rd, 2012
6:43 pm
A little clarification, the “big guy” is juan francisco, and all the other basic moves including picking up Bmacs option.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Rramo….I really like your bonus move.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
6:57 pm
Oh….rramo. I no longer like your big move.
David O'Brien
October 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Fair. That’s funny. — N8
I guess if that’s where you find your humor, it would be.
No one ever said it was fair the way Justice was dealt. But if you don’t see any differences in the situations, well, you’re not looking closely. Did they pick up a one-year option on Justice when he was coming off surgery, then trade him?
And Smoltz and Glavine. Again, no one said it was fair the way either was let go (or pushed out the door, or however you want to view it). But again, very different cases, so not much use in comparing 28-year-old McCann to two iconic pitchers at end of their careers (Braves released Glavine, who didn’t pitch again; Smoltz took better offer from Red Sox and had brief stints with Boston and St. Louis, but couldn’t regain his form after shoulder surgery).
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
6:58 pm
Bourn is unlikely to sign that cheaply rramo
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
6:59 pm
I live in hope that David Ross manages the Atlanta Braves one day in the not too distant future.
Honestly, I don’t care who manages the Braves as long as he’s not sac bunting like it’s going out of style.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:03 pm
Ross as manager? where did that come from?
David O'Brien
October 23rd, 2012
7:04 pm
I’m sure you can comment on this better DOB because you know the situation down there a bit more in depth, but does anyone at this point really want to work for Loria?! — P-Town Brave
As tenuous and maddening as that might seem working for Loria, fact of the matter is, there are only 30 managerial jobs, and very few guys looking for one would turn down that position if it was offered and no other managerial job was available or offered to that particular person.
Von Trapp
October 23rd, 2012
7:05 pm
Go see das movie “Cant handle the Curve” and das crazy baseball will be put in perspective
David O'Brien
October 23rd, 2012
7:06 pm
I believe you DOB. After what you’ve said, I don’t believe that the Braves WILL pick up Mac’s option and then trade him. Doesn’t seem like their style. — N8
I didn’t flat-out say they wouldn’t do it. I said I can’t see them doing it, and that I think it’d be a mistake if they do.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
7:07 pm
McCann will get a 5 year deal. Everyone knows that. No matter what Atlanta would offer, if they do, would make sense for McCann. Even a discount wouldn’t bring the Braves into the fray as players in that deal. Why would McCann go way below market to stay in Atlanta in his final contract. Just not seeing it at all. Braves can get better defense and cheaper. Wren should think the same. Go for 3rd and outfield players.
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
“Ross as manager? where did that come from?”
Smart catchers always make the best managers. I knew Scioscia would be great, I knew Matheny would manage one day and I expect Brad Ausmus to get a gig in the next 30 days, a year and 30 days at the latest. Ross is that kind of baseball person.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:08 pm
I’ll be kinda surprised if they do anything but pick up the option, but I think perhaps Frank is a little less likely to do that than John S would have been
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
I knew Matheny would manage one day
And sac bunt like it’s going out of style……
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm
I have never heard of Ross being in that league, not to say that he isn’t. and of course smart catchers make the best managers, they make the best anything in baseball…..
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:16 pm
S³, but not all impressed with what I saw of Metheny so far
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
“I have never heard of Ross being in that league, not to say that he isn’t.”
It’s about what is heard. It’s about what you see. Think about all of those bunt hits he’s had when the 3B was sleeping. Think about how calm the pitching staff is when he’s the receiver. Ross is a natural.
And yes, catchers make the best anything in baseball. That’s why the thought of losing McCann and Ross upsets me.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:19 pm
actually I think they had a better ERA with Mac catching, but I might be wrong about that
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
He came within a game of the World Series as a rookie manager. If that’s not enough, you’re asking for a lot. With Carpenter out indefinitely and Pujols gone, that team was left for dead.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:25 pm
not a believer that the manager makes all that much difference so I’m not gonna credit him as the guy who got them there, , but i do not like many of his decisions so far, course you and I do not really agree on the best way to play ball, so it is no surprise that we have somewhat different takes on Matheny.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
on the other hand I’m not gonna blame him because they lost the last three in a row
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:28 pm
McCann was 3.35 this year; Ross was 3.63. In 2011, Ross was at 3.13 and McCann had 3.61.In 2010, Ross was 3.19 and McCann was 3.71. In 2009, Ross was 3.45 and McCann was 3.67. Among qualified catchers, McCann was #3 (out of 14) in 2009, #5 (out of 12) in 2010, #2 (out of 15) in 2011 and #3 (out of 11) this year.
These guys spoil us.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:30 pm
I sure agree with the spoil us part
and find the level of Mac-hate here hard to believe at times
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:32 pm
What’s the best way to play ball and how do we disagree, nolie? I don’t recall that conversation.
Also, do you really believe Bobby Cox didn’t make much difference for the Braves? That surprises me.
Ken Stallings
October 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
I have absolutely no idea how I could have typed 2012 twice, but let me be very careful here and type 2010 — again “since 2010 — just two years!”
Good grief!!
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
“and find the level of Mac-hate here hard to believe at times”
The only reason why I was posting today is because Bowman seems to be trying to pack Mac’s bags for him. I simply do not understand that thought process.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
7:35 pm
He came within a game of the World Series as a rookie manager. If that’s not enough, you’re asking for a lot.
Yeah, in no way was that a product of the players on the roster.
Ron Washington made back to back World Series and is certainly not a great in game manager.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:36 pm
you seen to be more traditional, small ball etc, less stats oriented from what I have read, we’ve never really discussed it much or argued about it either IIRC, just my impression over time. You are one who I respect though even when I don’t necessarily agree
ChipperisGod
October 23rd, 2012
7:45 pm
If Efrim’s link is correct, we could give them one of our prospects for Revere, maybe two. Depends on which ones. I don’t want to get rid of Delgado, would rather lose Tehran, but I want Revere to be our CF of the future. The guy can play. Just look at his OBP, AVG and SB total. He’s a younger, possibly better than Mike B. Or on his way to being better. He’s only going to get better while Bourn’s skills are already on the decline.
While I love Bourny, he’s going to want too much money and we can’t blow most our wad on him.
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:46 pm
“Yeah, in no way was that a product of the players on the roster.”
Their starters included Allen Craig, Daniel Descalso, Matt Carpenter and Pete Kozma. I follow them more carefully because of my wife but I defy anything to say with sincerity that they believed the four players above would be key contributors on a championship-caliber team. Craig’s season was one of the most pleasant surprises in baseball this year.
And Ron Washington has the funniest line in Moneyball the book *and* the movie (different lines, by the way) so I like him.
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
7:53 pm
“you seen to be more traditional, small ball etc, less stats oriented from what I have read, we’ve never really discussed it much or argued about it either IIRC, just my impression over time. You are one who I respect though even when I don’t necessarily agree”
I sincerely appreciate the final statement and I think it’s clear you’re my favorite poster here (except for the one person I know from a different board who just beat me by 0.7 in fantasy football this weekend).
Having said that, you’re wrong about my baseball preferences. I was a Bill James guy back when he was begging the Red Sox to give him the time of day. When Moneyball came out, I gave copies to all of my friends so that they would finally understand how stupid they sounded when they talked about Wade Boggs “clogging up the basepaths” by being a slow runner but a tough out. My day job as a numbers cruncher/content creator even gets my name in the paper from time to time.
I’m respectful of the history of baseball but I’d let computers call balls and strikes tomorrow if I could pull of a coup d’etat of Old Man Burns-Selig.
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:55 pm
too early to know about Revere IMO. his first year was poor, this year a bit better, but still a crappy OPS. His OBP came up a bit but we have no idea if that will continue and at this point it is too low for a quality leadoff hitter. My biggest concern is that he has 275 hits and only 33 of them are for extra bases
not only do doubles and triples make a leadoff guy move likely to score, but most players with that small amount of pop just do not have very good careers, too easy for pitchers to simply overpower them.
I would not give much for him at this point, better to see another year at least
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
7:58 pm
guess I misremembered some stuff GV
but thanx for the props
N8
October 23rd, 2012
8:07 pm
I get that the circumstances were different DOB. And even though I agree with Wren’s choices in letting smoltz walk and showing glavine the door…..
But you keep citing McCann’s resume and what he’s done and meant to the Braves. I’m saying that 3 guys (Justice, Smoltz and Glavine) were shown the door having been just as (or more) important throughout their careers….. because the GM at the time deemed it a move that wouldn better the club.
At this point, we’re nit-picking over details with each other. No point in arguing (though I didn’t consider this an argument at any point).
I guess I wouldn’t put much past Wren when it comes to improving this club.
How did you feel after the Braves official let you know how they felt about your article/blog entry? That has to kind of suck having somebody who technically isn’t your boss getting on you for doing your job, huh?
nolie
October 23rd, 2012
8:09 pm
I guess I wouldn’t put much past Wren when it comes to improving this club….N8
which is why I said that I think Frank is a bit more likely than John would have been to let Brian go one way or the other.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
8:10 pm
Gone Viral Bowman seems to be trying to pack Mac’s bags for him. I simply do not understand that thought process.
I don’t get that, either. I would be int’rested to know where that’s all coming from. Maybe BMac spends more time with DOB…?
George_George
October 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm
Fredi managing to keep his job next year? Or is he just about a lock to be back in ‘14 (Braves hold an option)
*************************************
NO! NO! NO! PLEASE NO! let next year finish out his contract and be his final year as BRAVES MGR. He has ruined enough of our pitchers.
N8
October 23rd, 2012
8:24 pm
“actually I think they had a better ERA with Mac catching, but I might be wrong about that”
It varies and some of the sample sizes don’t give much info.
Minor: w/Ross (3.93), w/Mac (4.04)
Huddy: w/Ross (4.35), w/Mac (3.15)
Hanson: w/Ross (3.63), w/Mac (4.90)
Delgado: w/Ross (4.70), w/Mac (4.15)
Beachy: w/Ross (4.05), w/Mac (1.58)
Maholm: w/Ross (3.86), w/Mac (3.44)
Medlen: w/Ross (0.81), w/Mac (1.75)
Kimbrel: w/Ross (0.00), w/Mac (1.45)
Beachy only had 2 starts with Ross catching. Mac mostly caught Medlen’s relief innings. Only 16 of Kimbrel’s outings wer with Ross behind the plate.
Clearly, Huddy had better success with Mac catching. Clearly Hanson had better success with Ross.
Delgado, Maholm and Minor pretty much had similar results with both.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
8:32 pm
Their starters included Allen Craig, Daniel Descalso, Matt Carpenter and Pete Kozma.
Jay, Beltran, Holliday, Craig, Freese, and Molina was the best 1-6 in the National League. What are you talking about?
And in the playoffs, he had Trevor Rosenthal, Joe Kelly, Lance Lynn, Mitchell Boggs and Jason Motte coming out of the bullpen and throwing in the mid-high 90’s.
Craig, Freese, Jay, and Carpenter are all older prospects that seriously produced once they hit the major league level. One, okay. Four? That’s a great job by the folks upstairs and not Mike Matheny – who sac bunts more than any manager in the league.
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:32 pm
Imma just comment to get the number off of 666
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:33 pm
Efrim beat me to it
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
King Jeffrey D—
There you are! Soph and I need to to put an end to all this BMac bashing…
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
I’d much rather trade for Denard Span than Ben Revere. Maybe Revere can be Juan Pierre – but to me, that’s not a great player.
Nowhere man
October 23rd, 2012
8:36 pm
Mac is the face of the franchise now and a very good one. I know they are all different situations but I would hope the braves have learned their lesson with Glavine and Smoltz. Pick up Mac’s option and even if he were not to come back until the second half of next season that would be like making a great trade at the deadline if he comes back healthy.
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm
Henceforth, by royal decree, there shalt be no more McFann bashing which includeth but is not limited to fat jokes
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:38 pm
McCann….not McFann…..
VaBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
8:38 pm
When it comes to McCann’s option it all depends on how much of the season he’ll miss is what matters most. Even if insurance picks up some salary for when he’s out. Does it mean the Braves will have that extra cash to spend on more roster moves or no?
Or look at it this way. Say we just do the 500k Buyout and have another 11.5 million to work with. How much would that extra money help us bring in a legit RH power hitter for LF, how about that CF who can lead off? Or what about the top starting pitcher that alot of fans want.
Could we field a better team without McCann with the extra money we’d have? Who knows. We really don’t know how many games McCann will miss, plus he could have set backs, or even just still not be effective. Or he could bounce back into a top offensive catcher who helps us for 4-5 months.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
guess I misremembered some stuff
It’s more the draft stuff that I disagree with from GV. And that line about Matheny….
The Giants have made their 2nd World Series in 3 seasons…..but this does not mean that Brian Sabean is an above average General Manager, in my opinion. More principals and strategy that I look for. Playoffs are a crapshoot anyway.
VaBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
8:40 pm
Efrim
Juan Pierre has had a damn good career for the type of player he is if you ask me. Easily a better hitter than Michael Bourn.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
8:41 pm
Statistics…..
Please.
VaBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
8:43 pm
I believe Andrelton Simmons has contact skills close to Juan Pierre, Pierre’s been in the league a long long time. Only has struck out in 5% of his plate appearances.
George_George
October 23rd, 2012
8:44 pm
I can’t understand all the folks that have turned on BRIAN. He had a bad year but was injured for most of it, also J BENCH had a year like BRIAN’s in the middle of his career and came back fine from it.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
8:46 pm
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:37 pm
Henceforth, by royal decree, there shalt be no more McFann bashing which includeth but is not limited to fat jokes
*************
speak for yourself…..
But I don’t bash Mac, except when he stinks it up. I merely remind folks that Mac is as fat as a little piggy…..even if he maybe isn’t.
Besides, you guys are way too sensitive where he’s concerned.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
8:48 pm
Actually, after following the thread today, who was killing on Mac? I didn’t see much of anything.
jimmy
October 23rd, 2012
8:51 pm
DOB I have to wonder though. If the Braves are NOT going to re-sign McCann past his option year, and I have yet to see anyone that thinks they will (in print), would it not be better to deal him now while you can get something in return?
VaBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
8:53 pm
George
It’s not that people are turning on McCann, it’s that alot of us see that this could really be McCann’s last season in Atlanta anyways. We know for a fact that he’s rehabbing from major shoulder surgery which takes around 6 months. Plus were not 100% stuck with paying a player 12 million who will possibly miss time and so on. It’s a team option.
I love McCann, but I still think about the payroll. Could we possibly better utilize that 12 million that makes the overall team better? Which is a legit question.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
8:53 pm
Juan Pierre through his age 29 year old season: .301/.348/.374, 85 OPS+ – 5,235 PA’s
Michael Bourn through his age 29 year old season: .272/.339/.365, 90 OPS+ – 3,366 PA’s
Bourn has been a better defender too.
Braveheart
October 23rd, 2012
8:55 pm
How many home runs do you think McCann would hit in Yankee Stadium? He sure seems to have alot of fly balls die on the warning track in right and right center at the Ted. If healthy, I think McCann would be a 30 home run hitter in Yankee Stadium.
jj
October 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Is Todd Cunningham playing winter ball?
If Braves can’t sign Bourn I would go after the following in this order–all would be cheaper than Bourn. ! 1. Shane Victorino, he can still get it and has been hot as hell in Atlanta. Give him 2 year deal. 2. Ben Revere, 23 years old and the kid would be cheap and we would have him for few years. He can flat our play, has speed to burn and hits for average just needs some power but that will come.3.Pagan, we all know what he can do from Giants playoffs etc but I believe Giants will sign him. 4. Todd Cunningham with Braves AA but he could step in and get the job done in cf..
I look for Wren to make a trade for a left fielder are 3b.. with D-Backs for OF’er are Padras for 3b ..
God bless America and GO Braves!
phil
October 23rd, 2012
8:56 pm
Was there a specific incident where Mac thinks he got hurt? Never heard a thing on that or was it wear and tear?
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm
phil – I don’t think I need to remind you that I’m king. Coronated by George George. Watch what you say.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
8:58 pm
Edward Salcedo is 5 for 42 – .119/.178/.238 to start the Arizona Fall League.
Simply amazing. Wherever he plays – the overall production is not there.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
8:59 pm
VaBravesFan – yes it is a legit question….
Which makes you and anyone else who thinks or says it a hater.
VaBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
9:01 pm
Juan Pierre through age 29 291 BB 286 K 389 SB MVP Consideration Twice (03-04)
Michael Bourn through age 29 296 BB 679 K 276 SB
phil
October 23rd, 2012
9:01 pm
Salcedo = Uggla
Braveheart
October 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
Mac is the face of the franchise now and a very good one. I know they are all different situations but I would hope the braves have learned their lesson with Glavine and Smoltz.
Depends upon what you think the lesson of Glavine and Smoltz was. Honestly, I think that every Braves team since 2004 has been just about as good as each other, even the 2008 team that won only 71 games. That 2008 team, on paper, was as good as every other team over the last 8 seasons, but had so many things go wrong. Two of the things that went very wrong that season was betting on Smoltz and Glavine a year longer than they should have.
David O'Brien
October 23rd, 2012
9:03 pm
Phil, no specific incident with McCann. It hurt some earlier in season, then got lot worse in late July, when he went from that nine-homers-in-18-games binge back to slumping. He had just gotten the problem with his swing figured out (wasn’t getting his arms extended, a bad habit he’d developed while protecting side after oblique injury late in 2011 season), and was on a tear when the subluxations got worse and more frequent, starting “biting” him on swings when he got out in front of an off-speed pitch and when he extended on some swings.
bojack
October 23rd, 2012
9:04 pm
If Yankees really want McCann like rumors say. Braves should pay his option and trade him to NYY therefore getting something off value back. In NY’s little park Mac would be the King as DH and part time catcher.
Kat
October 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
I was in Atlanta when Beachy left that game in June… was a tough loss… and can only wish him the best in his recovery. I’m a day late but thanks for the new blog Carroll.
N8
October 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
Juan Pierre on the right team was a nice “piece”. I guess I never realized how little he struck out. For a guy with such little power, he sure knew how to put the ball in play and let his legs do their magic.
If not for that Sally arm of his, he would have always been in higher demand.
David O'Brien
October 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
DOB I have to wonder though. If the Braves are NOT going to re-sign McCann past his option year, and I have yet to see anyone that thinks they will (in print), would it not be better to deal him now while you can get something in return? — jimmy
Do you really think they’re going to get anything of value for him right now, when he’s coming off fairly major shoulder surgery, facing about 6 months of rehab (if all goes well), and owed $12 million in 2013 if option is picked up? (And option would have to be picked up if Braves wanted to trade him, since he’s surely not going to sign for less money in order to be traded.)
I don’t. (That is, I don’t think they’d get anything of value for him in a trade before he’s healthy.)
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
9:05 pm
Salcedo = Uggla
Edward Salcedo, who has 32 minor league homeruns in 339 games, is equivalent to Dan Uggla, who has 209 major league homeruns?