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richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:14 pm
nowhere man:
Dude, we’re trying for a two-week record here 12,134 hits in 15 days.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:15 pm
sorry Rich but thats the truth
Couch Tater
November 1st, 2012
7:16 pm
1984 Bean Brawl starring Pasquel Perez (RIP) & Donnie Moore (RIP) …
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=5955859&target=Z&source=PJ_AD:Z:MLB&affiliateId=21181&clickId=483617703&affiliateCustomId=skim725X72308X3190429816499554d9a4aa8ae7527462
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:20 pm
flange1
November 1st, 2012
7:12 pm
Rich,
All good here.
Any news on the grandson?
He’s going to a week-end with the BRAVES saturday-sunday…..he and 180 other possibles from the BRAVES mid-atlantic division. Hopefully, he will comport himself well. Something like that warning track get in right CF in YANKEE stadium in August and assist at 1B, or going 5-12 in a PERFECT GAME tourney in JUPITER last week.
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:24 pm
nolie:
Are you serious about SCHAFER? A ML deal?
If that’s the case, I’m hoping the BRAVES will draft my grandson in June. Plenty of opportunity in this organization. Course, they’ll have to beat out the ROYALS who appear serious especially since his showing on their scout team..
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
just do not look at OPS, that is all, would rather look at doubles and HRS. .disgusted
what is it that you think makes up OPS?
OBP and Slugging%. which is determined in large part by how many extra base hits a guy gets
Couch Tater
November 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
richbrave –
Get on Keith Law’s Chat and start asking about the phenom at the Perfect Game Tournament. You’ll get Efrim all excited about your grandson. hee
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
if Schafer does not make the team he can be sent through waivers again and if he clears he could accept a stint in AAA or he can refuse and leave. The same rules for all waiver claim pickups apply.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
Not going to get that many hits in 15 days. Maybe 30.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:29 pm
ooooh thats mean Tater
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:30 pm
Couch Tater:
Heh! Yeah, Efrim does follow KEITH LAW pretty closely.
Couch Tater
November 1st, 2012
7:33 pm
CB – Wow. Not many folks at the game in Miami.
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:34 pm
nolie:
I’m thinking SCHAFER takes what he can get from the BRAVES after not being claimed out of ST. Whew! Thank goodness he’s not on anything other than a waiver look-see. So I can see the BRAVES are giving him a last shot at redemption. Maybe there’s hope for my middle grand-son after all.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
The Giants don’t plan to make a qualifying offer to any of their free agents.
Go get em, Wren.(Pagan)
flange1
November 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
Rich,
Sounds like things are looking bright for the boy!
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:35 pm
EVERYBODY hates the coach down in MIAMI U especially the players.
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:37 pm
flange1:
Many a slip, but the sun shines all the time on the way up. It’s the other end of things that’s a real bummer.
flange1
November 1st, 2012
7:37 pm
You really want Pagan, Efrim?
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:39 pm
couldn’t happen to a better school IMO’
ok yeah I hate them for all those wide field goals. they might have cost us as many as 2 or three more titles
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:40 pm
I’d take Pagan for maybe 3/30
Couch Tater
November 1st, 2012
7:40 pm
nolie –
If, it weren’t for my buddy[suck up, after the jab], Efrim; I’d have to follow all that draft and prospect stuff myself.
flange1
November 1st, 2012
7:42 pm
Rich,
So true
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:43 pm
Let’s see 20 million for five for BOURN, 14 million for four for PAGAN. Price looks pretty steep either way to me. Of course we’re not dealing with BORAS in PAGAN’s case……OCTAGON-soap?.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:49 pm
IMO 14 mil( which I think might be a bit more than he gets) is better than 18 or 20 when the biggest difference between them is defense
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:51 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
DESERT DOGS
SS NICK AHMED [.333 BA] 0-2, 1 R, 2 BB, 2 SB [4].
3B ED SALCEDO [.119 BA] 0-4, 2 SO.
No errors! Yes!!!!
Trader Jack
November 1st, 2012
7:53 pm
OK so we have Schafer, now go after Lowe for the RH in the bullpen. With the money saved we sign Hamilton.
The Braves may or may not contend, but the clubhouse will be party central. In addition, DOB’s work load will increase to not only covering the Braves, but also monitoring the police blotters in every town they play in
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:55 pm
“….nolie
November 1st, 2012
7:49 pm
IMO 14 mil( which I think might be a bit more than he gets) is better than 18 or 20 when the biggest difference between them is defense…..”
Possibly, but I think the GIANTS will still make a very good FA offer to keep him. If we get lucky maybe we reel him in for 12.5 or so. He’s at 4.85 now.
And I whole-heartedly agree on your point about BOURN vs. PAGAN.
richbrave
November 1st, 2012
7:58 pm
Too much eye-strain gang. I’ll come back late with the reports from down south. Later.
VaBravesFan
November 1st, 2012
8:00 pm
3/30 seems a too much for Pagan. I mean he’s a solid player but isn’t great at anything. He’s a average defender and has been somewhat inconsistent offensively over the past few years.
His past 3 seasons where he played alot (Average Season)
143 Games 281/334/415/749 9 HR 60 RBI 33 SB
I’d probably go 2 years 15 million with a Mutual Option for 3rd year at 9 million or 1 million buyout.
VaBravesFan
November 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
I’d really almost rather trade for Peter Bourjos if the price makes sense instead of overpaying Pagan.. I think Bourjos if given the playing time could produce numbers around what Pagan will, also while playing much better defense. But of course it’d be risky still. But the defense is there for sure and if we could land the RH masher for LF that we desire I think Bourjos makes sense.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
8:06 pm
I kind of like getting JORDAN back. I like the kid, but don’t know if he is the answer in CF. BRAVES must think he might be.
kenhotlanta
November 1st, 2012
8:08 pm
Couch Tater: I have the complete Atlanta-San Diego game from 1984 on tape…unfortunately it’s a Betamax tape and my Betamax player is long broken. I have watched it 3 or 4 times and it’s a hoot. Bob Horner became a hero that day and finally got the boo birds off his back…and he wasn’t even playing, he was in the broadcast booth with a cast on his arm.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
8:12 pm
S/O nolie
I would like your thoughts on something. As a scout is it harder to evaluate a pitching prospect or a position player?
Powderfinger
November 1st, 2012
8:17 pm
Hearing about the departure of Brundage got me to thinking. Did we ever hear why Hubbard was removed from the coaching staff (no crime there), but wasn’t put to work somewhere else in the organization? I always thought the man bled Braves blue…
George_George
November 1st, 2012
8:23 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
November 1st, 2012
4:56 pm
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
Gwinnett will have a new manager next year. The Phillies announced Dave Brundage will manage Triple A Lehigh Valley next year. #Braves
Lateral move…. traitor
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BRUNDAGE should be replaceing FREDI.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Brundage is now in place to replace Charlie.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
David O’Brien
November 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
Hey, where’s that guy who said (repeatedly) during the season that I’d be off for most of the offseason, except a few days during Winter Meetings and a couple of trades or signings? Of course, he wouldn’t listen then, so no sense trying to explain now either….
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I have been trying to be nice to you, afterall I have nothing to complain about, this is the time of year you should have a lot of time off.
Trader Jack
November 1st, 2012
8:44 pm
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Brundage is now in place to replace Charlie.
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More likely, he’s in line to be bench coach for Ryne Sandberg, who will replace Manuel
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-san-francisco-giants/giants-talk/Giants-do-not-plan-to-make-qualifying-of?blockID=796599&feedID=10850&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Honestly, now that a draft pick won’t be tied to Pagan – his value just went through the roof in my opinion.
Give up your first rounder and sign BJ Upton to a megadeal or sign Pagan for nothing but the dollars in the megadeal.
He and his agent are pretty happy right now, I’m sure.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:48 pm
George just face it you will never be part of the herd, regular guys, non ingamers or dobers.
Then again who would want to be??
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
8:49 pm
Lew, yeah, I think anyone right of center is going to have issues with Silver’s model. Most everyone believes what they want to believe when it comes to politics. The electoral college has some flaws, certainly, and it’s surprising that people don’t get that there is no way around it. It is the system by how we decide who the president is.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
Dick Morris, former Clinon Aid, is predicting a Romney landslide win.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
8:52 pm
Get on Keith Law’s Chat and start asking about the phenom at the Perfect Game Tournament. You’ll get Efrim all excited about your grandson. hee
Hah! I follow all of those guys pretty closely. Get as much information from the Keith Law, Jim Callis, Kevin Goldstein’s of the world. Also liking this Bernie Pleskoff guy in twitter. Writes for rotowire and contributes to MLB.com. Just try and get as much info as possible on a guy.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:53 pm
Prado at third and Constanza, Schafer and Heyward in the outfield.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
8:54 pm
Dick Morris, former Clinon Aid, is predicting a Romney landslide win.
Well, the polls don’t support any sort of a landslide victory from either candidates. Difficult to understand how anyone could come to that conclusion.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
8:54 pm
didn’t I read that the Giants will not make a qualifying offer to him? That would be 13.3 mil which kinda indicates to me anyway that they are not willing to make that high a regular offer. Who knows?
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
How is the info about the qualifying offers going to come out? Little different than arbitration offers I would think, but maybe it’s as simple as just getting the confirmation from Braves people and players agents?
Disgusted
November 1st, 2012
8:55 pm
I would not give Pagan 3 for 30, he is a good player but not a 10 mil per yr player.
Someone will overpay but let it not be us.
Boras will find a sucker — he always does.
If we give anyone 10 mil per let it be given to Prado who will be getting paid soon, I think its one more yr before we need to extend him. Or do we go cheep on him. Prado is a better player than Pagan.
It helps to have a nice post season and come off a real good yr on a WS champ team.
A humdred mil for Bourn is plain DUM DUM.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
George, position players are easier and there is a higher overall success rate with them than there is with pitchers
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
8:58 pm
I agree with you Efrim I think the race will be razor thin.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
nolie – yeah, apparently they aren’t making an offer to him. Makes him a better option, imo. But that also may mean that other teams will have more interest and drive up the bidding.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
9:00 pm
Rush Limbaugh says there is three possible outcomes.A Romney Landslide, A Romney close victory or an Obama close victory. No chance of an Obama landslide.
Sounds like covering all your bases.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:01 pm
I have a beef. I am on the national “no call list”. My question is, Why do they exempt political calls and allow them to call? I get about 4 or 5 a day and am sick of it.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
consider the source, Rush is slightly right of Attila the Hun
Disgusted
November 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
Bourjos has more power than Pagan and he does give U the stellar defense.
Why could he not produce more on par with his 2011 numbers? He is still young.
I am still not understanding which team would pay Bourn what Boras is asking for. Not the Yankees who have Granderson. The Mets, Cubs and Red Sox are former big market teams in a downsize mode & the Dodgers, well, they do not have the need or that much more flexability with their current roll
So who has a humdred mil for Mikey????????? Washington???? Nah, not that much $$$$$$$$$$.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:03 pm
4 or 5 is all? consider your blessings. I haven’t answered the phone in months, leave a message and if I know you I might call back….
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
nolie
November 1st, 2012
8:57 pm
George, position players are easier and there is a higher overall success rate with them than there is with pitchers
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Thank you nolie, I was sure position players were easyer, but wanted to hear it from you.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:04 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Angels-Indians have a lot of common ground on possible dealings. LAA needs closer(like Perez),CLE needs OF (like Bourjos, bought-down Wells)
Yeah, ain’t no way Chris Perez returns to that team after criticizing ownership and management. I feel bad for Indians fans. Probably best to rebuild, yet again. Not a great farm system and some tradeable assets at the major league level in Choo, Masterson, Perez, and maybe even Asdrubal Cabrera.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
9:05 pm
Nolie that was good to hear. Consider the source was one of my Dad’s favorite sayings. He has been gone many years.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:06 pm
Is there a left equivalent of Rush? Is that even possible?
Trader Jack
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
Disgusted
The Nats have the money, and have a good working relationship with Boras. My money is on Washington
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
Rush is an imbecile……period.
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that impending free agent Hiroki Kuroda is willing to accept a one-year deal.
That’s probably the one free agent who is going to accept the $13.3 million dollar qualifying offer. He made $10 million last year, pitched well in NY, and wants to go year to year because he may want to go back to Japan. Makes sense for the Yanks too.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:12 pm
DS1 makes Rush look like a commie…….
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:13 pm
yeah If I were the Yanks I’d keep him
Interested Bystander
November 1st, 2012
9:14 pm
October 22, 2012 WOW
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Nova. I guess that’s their 5 next year.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
Indeed Bystander.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:17 pm
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:08 pm
Rush is an imbecile……period.
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I tend to be conserveitive but TOTALLY AGREE with you on RUSH.
Nowhere man
November 1st, 2012
9:18 pm
Be careful you will upset the herd with such observations.
Interested Bystander
November 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
Oh My, this is still Atlanta – Georgia. Jordan in CF not Bourn to make the Braves team pitcher.
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:22 pm
Lol at the herd talk….
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:23 pm
Jordan is not gonna start in CF
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
no political herd I have ever seen here, we are strung out over the entire political spectrum
ChattTownBrian
November 1st, 2012
9:25 pm
Hey everybody!
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:25 pm
Hi Brian, where you been?
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:25 pm
Jordan is the future, nolie…..
He is our destiny.
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
CTB, how do?
Powderfinger
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
nolie—You can shout it til you’re blue in the face, but that’s all we’re gonna hear on the blog until they sign someone else. And then there will be those who will continue to say it. Oh well…
ChattTownBrian
November 1st, 2012
9:28 pm
I see Schaf is back. I don’t care, whatever. He’s depth somewhere in the system.
Give me Victorino & Willingham and I’m a happy camper.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:30 pm
I am watching “THE 25TH HOUR” EDWARD HORTON gives a heck of a proformence SPIKE LEE great directing.
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:31 pm
Who thinks Jordan will start in center?
My hand is raised.
I lie.
ChattTownBrian
November 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Well they got me working like crazy at that place and hate to say it but facebook has sort of captured me in its web here lately. LOL! I’ve had the account there for a while, but just now reconnecting with some old friends and family.
Y’all know I’ll be back in action here once the trade stuff heats up.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:32 pm
Sorry NORTON
Efrim
November 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
Comment From Lee
What do you think is more rational, high ceiling or high floor? Does it depend on which club?
Mike Newman: high floor is more rational, but you are likely to be left with a bunch of quality bench players and a solid average starter or two. A mix of both is the general rule. Push too far to either end of the spectrum and it can set back the future of the organization like the Phillies when they drafted a bunch of big ceiling guys who flamed out.
I think that’s a good way of looking at it. Phillies could actually use some Gilmartin types. It’s a bad system and they have had terrible luck with the athletes they have selected. Could probably put together a good track team though.
ChattTownBrian
November 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
JHey wins the gold glove and much deserved. Man he was so improved there this year.
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
might be wrong but I believe the post I responded had racial overtones
Bat Masterson
November 1st, 2012
9:36 pm
Not going to get that many hits in 15 days. Maybe 30.
Had 12,009 in 11 days in Sept/Oct of 2011
nolie
November 1st, 2012
9:39 pm
I was thinking that we have broken 15 thou a time or two.
y’all remember back when the blog would disintegrate when it approached 1000?
Soph
November 1st, 2012
9:41 pm
Party at RG’s.
Welcome back, Schauffeurre.
George_George
November 1st, 2012
9:43 pm
Well outta here to watch rest of movie. have a good one, nite all.
Powderfinger
November 1st, 2012
9:50 pm
“Not going to get that many hits in 15 days. Maybe 30.
Had 12,009 in 11 days in Sept/Oct of 2011″
Talking about Gattis?
Bat Masterson
November 1st, 2012
9:52 pm
I heard about that, nole.
Before my time. The 12,000 last year was on the last game of the season blog. An effort to pass the reported, maybe mythological 10,000 comment one people had been claiming as the record. Maybe to help salve some wounds from the way the season ended, too. Some funny stuff on there, several good commenters that seem to have wandered away, as well.
phil
November 1st, 2012
9:53 pm
Who else….
Bat Masterson
November 1st, 2012
9:54 pm
Gattis had yet to be discovered last September. Undercover hero
old man
November 1st, 2012
9:55 pm
Part of the rationale for looking at Bourjos is that he had a crappy year last year, and may be very affordable because of that. By “crappy,” I mean he had a very good spring training, then started the first 3 weeks of the season in a bad slump, and got benched for some guy named Mike Trout. Then he sat on the bench because the Trout guy played fairly decent ball, and Bourjos only got playing time as a sub, and then hurt his wrist, was off for that, went down for a rehab assignment, etc.
So when people attack him as a bad option, I suppose there are certainly valid things to say, but to cite some bad stat from last year, like his batting average, slugging, or OPS, without explaining that he did not play much is either ignorant or intentionally misleading. If he had had a 2012 like his 2011, then there would be no way in hell we could afford the players and prospects it would take to get him.
So say something relevant.
Bat Masterson
November 1st, 2012
9:57 pm
Ears starting in Center for the Atlanta Braves
nolie
November 1st, 2012
10:00 pm
he didn’t play much because he stunk so much
Bat Masterson
November 1st, 2012
10:02 pm
and then hurt his wrist, was off for that, went down for a rehab assignment, etc.
Sounds a lot like a guy we know well. Is he into special peanut butter cups, too.
HooRah
November 1st, 2012
10:03 pm
relevant? relevant is that he has been terrible two of his three years in the bigs, overwhelmingly, sukingly terrible