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ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:32 pm
BAS, you manage to communicate just fine, LOL.
Though I’m frantically searching the memory banks to remember what ceiling I myself gave Minor. Just to be on the safe side.
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
4:33 pm
playing up a pitcher who had 3 very good months and is STILL the owner of a career 4.37 ERA.
“If you ignore all the bad starts and injuries, he’s really good.”
nolie
October 31st, 2012
4:34 pm
I think you said mid-rotation scoots, but I might be misremembering being an old f@art and all
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
Horacio Ramirez, right? I can never remember if that’s Ramirez or Reyes.
O.M.G.
October 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
Murph, there you go again, running Samantha off again…..THANK YOU!!! It is going to be a long off season.
Dadgum.....
October 31st, 2012
4:36 pm
Just be careful with this bunch. Some turn on others faster than a trailer park pitbull on a youngun….Phil
Phil may I use that line without paying royalties? Priceless!
Candie
October 31st, 2012
4:37 pm
Jeff R is real nice, but that Murph guy is clearly a cyber-bully.
I’ll be back on later. When he is gone.
My friend Linda was sure wrong about this place. I’m going to tell her what happened.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
4:38 pm
Reyes – all four pitches better than Minor’s, and seemingly couldn’t even get me out. Baseball is a beautiful game.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
4:39 pm
Linda didn’t warn you about Murph, huh?
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
4:39 pm
I feel it necessary to state for the record:
If I had any sort of control over a pirate hooker, I wouldn’t be sending her to Texas.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
4:40 pm
Maybe not the changeup. Three of four, then. Baseball is still a beautiful game.
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:42 pm
Baseball is a beautiful game.
A cruel and disdainful beauty, at times.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
4:43 pm
who was it that had the great changeup but flamed? All those bumbs just kinda run together in my mind any more
DAP
October 31st, 2012
4:43 pm
p-town Even after the TJ and all do you think we could afford him?
i dont know what he would go for, but youre right…even with the injury he would likely be more expensive than a scrap heap addition, which is who he would be replacing. (durbin). maybe not the route to go.
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:43 pm
Chuck James, nolie.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
4:43 pm
oh yeah, the window washer dude
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2012
4:44 pm
who was it that had the great changeup but flamed?
Chuck James?
Murph
October 31st, 2012
4:44 pm
My friend Linda was sure wrong about this place. I’m going to tell her what happened.
If you ruin things between me and Linda… look, I don’t want things to get out of hand. Just walk away from the blog, forget about Kerrville, and don’t tell Linda a word… do that and you and I can get along just fine.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2012
4:47 pm
Ha, took me too long to remember his name.
I was trying to remember the commenter here………… Chuck James was great till the 5th or 6th or something
Hell, never mind
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:49 pm
Hell, never mind
Might be a good topic for later: alltime famous blog monikers. Not the posters themselves, but the monikers. Make a note.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
4:49 pm
Bat,
Saw you ask the other day. Move done. Commute longer. I’d rather not talk about it…
Seems ridiculous to whine about it in the face of what you and your family are going through. Not that it’ll stop me, of course, but still ridiculous. Best wishes, brother.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2012
4:50 pm
Didn’t James break both his wrists, or something like that, going all “Almost Famous”
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
4:51 pm
I’m going as a left field umpire….still ticked at that sum bi**h.
Who has ever heard of such a thing?
P-Town Brave ©
October 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
DAP-
Yeah its amazing how many expletives I had to describe Durbin at the beginning of the year…
And even worse, near the end of the year I still wasn’t convinced….I was just as the point to where every time it was like “this is gonna be the night he blows up”….
Reminds me of Hot Tub Time Machine if any of you guys have seen it, where they keep expecting the bellman to lose his arm and he gets into situations where he might and doesn’t…
Efrim
October 31st, 2012
4:52 pm
Please don’t do what you accuse ‘OB of; we’ve talked before, no?
Real quick, before I respond to the rest – Please understand this and I really hold you in high regard, in no f!cking way is what I wrote back to you what O’Brien did to me earlier. Nada, bud. Pretty clear as day and YOU need to take the time to brush up on your reading comprehension if you don’t see that.
Maybe I called him less than a #3 starter, but I absolutely didn’t keep up with that into 2010 when his velocity spiked and he was missing more bats than anyone ever expected and despite your saying it’s not about strategy – that’s what the 750 posts about Minor were mostly about – unless you can’t take a joke and get the Polished and Signable thing.
I guess having a strong opinion on something equals “black and white” and if that truly is the definition, than no comment made on here is with “gray area”. And honestly, if I did say he was a #4/5 starter at best – then I needed to be EVEN MORE critical of the move as it’s as stupid as stupid gets to draft a player with that sort of ceiling in the Top 10. Man, I need to be much more harsh in my draft criticism in the future then, which I know you will enjoy.
Efrim got a little shot today from O’Brien (mistakenly) and Lew was poking the bear yesterday, so he may be a little paranoid, is all.
He’s gotta read the blog and take it in and understand who he is talking to.
I’ve gotten into it will nolie before and I really to this day feel terrible about it. Sort of the type of guy I am, hard to let it go. I won’t do that again. There is a fine line between disagreement and coming out of nowhere to clothesline someone like what happened earlier to me this morning and yesterday(which folks are entitled to do since it’s a blog……. but yes, I consider some folks here who I’ve talked with here to be my friend and disagreements need to be handled in the right way.
But, I don’t how that works. VJ and cab were friends for years, and one post turned me despicable and cowardly, so, your call.
Two regs is too many, BAS. I don’t think you are cowardly or despicable – but in this case(and that’s #3, I guess) you are about as short on your delivery as Shaq is with his free throws. And maybe you don’t care or get it – as I didn’t with noles – but there is a way to go about things and I don’t think wordsmithing will do it in this case.
You’ve made like one comment to me in the last year, and the only one was about Minor and the draft….so to come out today, and again do so, well, clearly there isn’t as much “love of my posts” from you. And that’s okay. It is. Still love when YOU do post and it isn’t as much. So maybe if you post more and disagree with me more – it won’t look and feel like a chair to the back of the head while I’m about to get a 3 count.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
4:54 pm
“who was it that had the great changeup but flamed?”
Jurrjens. I might be ever more bummed than I was watching Andruw decline. RH paint. One-pitch outs on sinkers. Late-game Ks with elevated 94. Weak slider, but change-up so good he could throw it to both sides. I’m gettin’ teary-eyed…
P-Town Brave ©
October 31st, 2012
4:54 pm
Going as a LF ump…
Do you just throw your arms up and mutter Infield Fly to yourself…?
Candie
October 31st, 2012
4:55 pm
OK, just got off the phone with Linda. She’ll tell her husband about how mean that Murph was to me. He comes on this place alot. She said he is BravesPacks on here.
This is a mean place. Why? Is it because I am a young, attractive, uninhibited woman?
I don’t think I’ll be back.
Venice Jim
October 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
I was unaware of the reversal of friendship status my oft-apologized-for comment caused…
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
I’m gettin’ teary-eyed…
But here’s the thing. Detroit traded him, in part, because of concerns about his health. And, in fact, they were eventually proven correct. But, meantime, the guy delivered, what, 40-odd wins to the Braves? For a trade cost of basically zip. They got their money’s worth and more. It’s distressing that he won’t deliver more value to the Braves, I agree, but I can’t feel bad about what value they did get.
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
Sorry, but the good, long-term regulars have either allowed them to take over by humoring them, egging them on or at least encouraging them by responding to the bile, or some of those good, long-term posters have just given up while the games are going on and sometimes altogether.
It’s the offseason. Now all the crazy people are gone, right?
CB
October 31st, 2012
4:58 pm
We REALLY need a couple of big trades.
Efrim
October 31st, 2012
5:00 pm
Though I’m frantically searching the memory banks to remember what ceiling I myself gave Minor. Just to be on the safe side.
Not necessary. Or shouldn’t be.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:00 pm
Damn, Murph runs off another hot babe. BAD MURPH!!!
Fredo
October 31st, 2012
5:00 pm
Ervin Santana already off the market, he’ll be going to KC (unknown right now who LAA gets in return)
ncscoots
October 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
We REALLY need a couple of big trades.
Ahh, we always start eating our young at the beginning of the hot stove. We’ll get by.
Efrim
October 31st, 2012
5:01 pm
We REALLY need a couple of big trades.
Amen. Or at least Wren needs to oversleep and miss the qualifying offer deadline.
Efrim
October 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
The Royals have acquired Ervin Santana from the Angels, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter).
Not knowing what they got in return, I like that pickup for Dayton. Some upside there. More than Jonathan Sanchez, I think.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2012
5:03 pm
BAS_
I appreciate the update. Never much cared for long commutes, either. I loved the craigslist, like ants story.
Thanks for the well wishes. It’s something has been coming on for a long time, so not unexpected, still….. Anyway, I think hooking up with a well know, and established, fundraising org will help. Hell of a lot easier than setting up my own nonprofit. I should have that going in a week or so.
I was kind of hesitant to bring that up here, to be honest. I mean, I come here to learn stuff and be entertained, so I don’t want to do anything that inhibits that.
MFin04
October 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
“Ervin Santana already off the market”
That’s tough for the Braves. I always envisioned him as a LF/3B platoon for the Braves.
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
who was it that had the great changeup but flamed?
Chuck James?
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
Fair-enough, Ef.
I don’t really engage in the day-to-day. I just sit back and learn, and then comment when I have a question/issue that somebody hasn’t already raised, or ramble when I’m drunk. Please don’t think that because I don’t engage regularly with you, I’m not reading and appreciating it all.
The ‘OB line was simply about knowing your audience. I would contend you oughta know me as well as ‘OB oughta know you. So again, I realize it’s ceiling, I may even agree with your position on the draft-strategy, my issue is with you saying the whole world had him a three. That is not true.
“Two regs is too many.”
This is my worry. Clearly it’s a me problem if several take issue. I’m just afraid my way is always going to be too direct, too short, as you call it. I’m lazy, typing blows, and my vocabulary is limited. So, just assume I drop a drunken’ “I frickin’ love you, man” in front of every comment. (This applies to virtually all of you. )
Bonus points for the Shaq-line, and for saying “Maybe I called him less than a #3 starter.” That’s really all I was looking for.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:04 pm
good, that means Frankie can’t covet him
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
Do you just throw your arms up and mutter Infield Fly to yourself…?
When people ask you what you’re costume is, wait until just before they start to walk away and then tell them.
Murph
October 31st, 2012
5:06 pm
Whoever is playing the role of Candie today, while it’s appreciated, it just feels a bit too forced. The magic that was the Rally Stripper blog(s) can never be repeated. Continue if you must, but I’m moving on to something else.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:06 pm
Hi there Gal, good to see you around again. How is life treating you?
DS1
October 31st, 2012
5:08 pm
DOB was complaining earlier about the blog being overrun by idiocy from time to time. Much of that would be solved by a blog registration. But then again, that would decrease total blog hits. Don’t think that one will fly by the AJC folk.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
maybe we can get Haren for a PTBNL
Murph
October 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
If the Royals are going to start stockpiling mediocre arms we’ve got one in particular who can be had without asking much in return.
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
Hey nolie! It’s ok, except I keep getting attacked by babies and weddings. How are you doing?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:09 pm
Efrim…Maybe I should post less?
No, cuz I may end up the lead poster then.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
some of us post more “forcefully” than others for want of a better term, we tend to draw flak
DS1
October 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
So which FA did we sign, and who did we trade for today………..
Murph
October 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
maybe we can get Haren for a PTBNL
I don’t think they want much in return… could probably get him for Boscan at this point. I just don’t want to see the team get stuck with that $15.5mil salary for one year.
If the Braves acquire him, turn down his option but make a qualifying offer… they don’t actually get the draft pick, right?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:11 pm
Well, we won’t be paying too much for Haren… only helps the Angels keep Greinke though. Wonder what the Royals gave up.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:12 pm
thats good Gal, glad to hear it. I’ve had a coupla health bouts but right now things are Ok.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:12 pm
At least we won’t have to hear that Hanson could be the Royals ace anymore
DS1
October 31st, 2012
5:13 pm
nolie
and some of us are just so darned good at being an azz hole, we can’t really be held back!
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:14 pm
yup, we are good at it, ain’t we?
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:14 pm
“some of us are just so darned good at being an azz hole, we can’t really be held back!”
This.
(Did I do it right? Is a non-italicized ‘this’ as good as the real thing? Life is hard.)
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
you are kidding right? Hanson has much better career numbers….
phil
October 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:05 pm
Do you just throw your arms up and mutter Infield Fly to yourself…?
When people ask you what you’re costume is, wait until just before they start to walk away and then tell them.
******************
Lol…it’s what I would do if i wore something like that. Of course, down here in middle georgia, i doubt many of these uptight morons would even get it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Ervin Santana for Brandon Sisk is the trade, sources tell http://FOXSports.com . @MLBONFOX
Orgazational depth… guess they just wanted him gone. Sisk is 27yo reliever, in AAA. 5 minor league seasons under his belt.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:16 pm
See, for instance, normally I wouldn’t comment, because somebody else would’ve, but is nobody gonna ask RG about the babies and weddings line? Photographer? Magician? Reverend Santa Claus? How did I miss this?
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:17 pm
Hah! BAS making an ingratiating attempt at acceptance now……
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:17 pm
nolie-
This probably moves me into creeper territory, but I’ve actually heard about some stuff. I keep up with some of y’all here.
I’m glad to hear you’re doing better.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:18 pm
Thank you Gal.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:19 pm
Half-kidding, though Haren does have a better WHIP, ERA+, and walk rate. Strikeouts are somewhat close, so his K/BB ratio is better as well.
Sisk is a lefty, maybe that’s the lefty reliever the Angels desired. Maybe they’ll take Salcedo for Bourjos now…
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:20 pm
but it wasn’t Haren, It was Santana wasn’t it who went to KC
Efrim
October 31st, 2012
5:20 pm
I don’t really engage in the day-to-day
This is different. I challenge you to “Randomize” – I like that – when you’ve last commented on a post of mine. I’d guarantee it was regarding Minor and the draft. So you must see how that might be taken from me, no?
I’m just afraid my way is always going to be too direct, too short, as you call it.
Well, I can’t help you there. I’m not aware of the details of your, Venice Jim and cabravesfan’s issues as it was probably long ago and overnight and I just can’t recall it.
But I will say, when another regular(and a person I’d consider a friend) comes out of nowhere(and I’d consider you coming out of nowhere today) and uses the type of Peter Moylan delivery(in a bad way, of course) on an issue such as the one that was discussed as aggressively as it was – then eyebrows will be raised. I’m okay. Really, I am. But it’s sort of weird, is all. And not like a daily, run of the mill disagreement.
That’s really all I was looking for.
Could of been obtained in a different way, I think.
some of us post more “forcefully” than others for want of a better term, we tend to draw flak
Unfortunately, and I don’t want the non-regulars to be offended, it’s just ………different when it’s to someone with you have history with. And to have the label as “regular” and to research and spend hours or many minutes trying to make a point – seems weird when you do not see this type of blogging in previous comments made from said regular.
CB
October 31st, 2012
5:20 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:21 pm
Royals getting cash too.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 31st, 2012
5:22 pm
wow, did I say Haren? geez
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:22 pm
BAS-
Too many people are gettin’ married and poppin’ out babies. What’s with that?
(PS: You’re one of my favorites. Don’t feel bad for being a drunken rambler. Some of us can appreciate it.)
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:23 pm
need some Visine, CB?????
DS1
October 31st, 2012
5:23 pm
RG’s back. Killed the fatted calf!
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:23 pm
HoRam, scoots. It was HoRam.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:24 pm
who was Ho-Ram?
DS1
October 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
The storm is pummeling predominantly “blue” states. Is this George W’s fault? Did he seed some rain clouds?
CB
October 31st, 2012
5:25 pm
nolie,I need to hear the name Bourjos less.
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:26 pm
Wayne, why you killin’ fat baby cows?
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
oh yeah me too CB, me too
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
I apologize for it seeming that way, Ef, and looking at it from your point of view, I can see why it looks far worse than I intended. Hopefully, my intention counts for something.
Also, I think a place like this results in a lot of back-slapping, a lot of yes-men, a lot of group think. Mostly because we agree on many things, but also in defense of the place from the Dentzes of the InterWebs. I know I learn a lot more, am more entertained, am more driven to return, when two people I’ve come to respect are apart on something. When they can argue, and still be friends. When they can present their side without too much condescension and name-calling. Please know I’m trying to be one of those people, and forgive that I’m not one of them.
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
I feel the need to back-track, BAS…
I don’t think of you as a drunken rambler, I just think you’re usually pretty dang funny; you
do(last I checked) did do a lot of drunk posting.nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:28 pm
better ERA, better W/L%
CB
October 31st, 2012
5:29 pm
nolie, of course we could talk about Mark Trumbo.
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
But here’s the thing. Detroit traded him, in part, because of concerns about his health. And, in fact, they were eventually proven correct.
From what I recall, the concerns were over his shoulder/arm, not his knee. They were “proven correct” if the sentiment was merely “We think he will be injured one day.” But then, that wouldn’t be news. You could say that about every single pitcher out there. Even Halladay eventually ran into an injury. When followed through with their concerns, they were never actually proven correct. His knee broke down on him before his shoulder had a chance to ruin his career.
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
Horacio Ramirez
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:30 pm
Hey CB,
I don’t think I’ve talked to you in a year; you know I still frickin’ love you, right?
MFin04
October 31st, 2012
5:31 pm
Michael Bourn didn’t win a Gold Glove? Unbelievable. I can’t believe Shaun isn’t on here with his WAR stats yelling at those folks.
But seriously. Guy was the best defensive CF in the majors last year and it wasn’t even close. The guy that won it was near the bottom of the league. Even the Pirates blog is complaining about him winning it. That’s pretty sad.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:32 pm
there was a general concern about his overall ability to hold up, not just his arm. Still have pretty good ties to their baseball scene.
CB
October 31st, 2012
5:33 pm
No doubt in my mind,BAS. Gives me a warm,glowy feeling too.
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:33 pm
But here’s the thing. Detroit traded him, in part, because of concerns about his health. And, in fact, they were eventually proven correct.
That’d be akin to the Braves ditching Hanson early in a trade for nothing because there were “concerns of health”… then having Hanson pitch well, to very well, only to be sidelined by an air show tragedy. “See! We were totally right.”
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:34 pm
I never read as much. Perhaps the case, but what was out there for all to whisper and gossip about was shoulder issues and potential arm issues. Nothing about a knee injury, which arose from a pick up basketball game 3 years after the trade.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:34 pm
James was the one I was thinking of. He had unbelievable numbers in the minors based on that change IIRC
Roman Gal
October 31st, 2012
5:36 pm
Peace out before I p!ss anyone else off.
Bay Area Steve
October 31st, 2012
5:36 pm
I didn’t even mean to start a Jurrjens worth/value trade discussion. Damn scoots.
I just meant the artistry. I think, at his best, he may have been the prettiest RHer in the league. I’m sayin’ I miss the guy nearly as much as TOBF’d miss Pastornicky.
The slow, lazy motion, the I’m better than you confidence, the 94 explosion. It’s gone forever.
And, worse for the Braves, it’s happened again with Hanson.
Bat Masterson
October 31st, 2012
5:37 pm
He had unbelievable numbers in the minors based on that change IIRC
Yeah, I think his K rate was 30/9 or something like that.
nolie
October 31st, 2012
5:38 pm
nothing about a knee but there were concerns about body build and conditioning. of course the arm was the immediate concern, and while I agree that something similar could be said about Hanson because of his mechanics, I don’t agree that it is exactly the same as what might be said about all pitchers
TennesseePaul
October 31st, 2012
5:40 pm
James was the one I was thinking of. He had unbelievable numbers in the minors based on that change IIRC
Yes. He did. He had crazy good numbers 4/1 K/BB ratio, sub 2.04 ERA prior to call up…