9:11 pm October 22, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
October 30th, 20129:18 pm
56 more pages and we can have a new record
That WC loss was a team effort of a lack of situational hitting and overall sloppy defense. Three bad defensive mistekes on Chipper, Uggla and Simmons.
And a bad baserunning mistake by Simmons that cost a rally.
Not to mention a bad luck infield fly rule that you would seldom see called.
A bad rotten day in the history of the Braves.
Can we ever win in post season again???????? Anything can happen but I choose not to expect it cause its disappointed me too many times in this century.
October 30th, 20129:20 pm
yeah they got peavey for d lowe money
October 30th, 20129:22 pm
Wasn’t a good play granted certainly by his standards but good teams overcome things and keep them from snow balling. Didn’t stop snow balling.
Little things make a huge difference and not many Braves do the little things that aren’t really noticed by most.
Example, and I think McCarver of all people finally brought it up, but the game where Fielder was tagged out at home was all Fielders fault. Very poor slide that changed the game and remiainder of the series. He slides to the only place Posey could catch the ball and tag him. Just crazy.
One thing we have to remmeber about these players is this = Several on this blog are more students of the game than some of these players. They have great talent and can hit 90 plus mph FBs but many are poor students of the game.
Yeah, good luck with that, gary. Hope it does.
October 30th, 20129:23 pm
Efrim: you just said “wow.” DOB said “wow” about some other deal. I would love Pagan, but I wonder if the price would not just kill us in a lot of ways. There will be lots of “wows” in the weeks to come.
October 30th, 20129:25 pm
Chipper lost the WC game for us. We didn’t overcome his error. But that is what lost it for us. Pure and simple.
October 30th, 20129:27 pm
Whoever we get just make sure they dislike Ks as badly as Chipper and Prado.
Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out:
Swing at strikes not balls and hit the ball – More balls hit = better chance of getting hits!
October 30th, 20129:29 pm
Not sure how the League deal is structured, but the Dodgers will now have $200 million guaranteed in 2013 to the following players: Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, Hanley Ramirez, Ted Lilly, Andre Ethier, Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, Juan Uribe, Clayton Kershaw, Brandon League, Matt Guerrier, Yasel Puig, Chris Capuano, Aaron Harang, Mark Ellis, Jerry Hairston, Jr., and Nick Punto.
That’s 18 players, 17 if you exclude Puig who will still be in the minors. AJ Ellis is their lone arbitration eligible player.
Not a lot of room for minimum salaried players. Insane.
October 30th, 20129:31 pm
We now have two “wows” and one “insane.”
October 30th, 20129:32 pm
Can I have an “un-effing-believable?”
October 30th, 20129:35 pm
Of all those guys you listed for the dodgers, if you could steal 2, who would you take?
October 30th, 20129:36 pm
October 30th, 20129:38 pm
Kershaw and Kemp, Mark. Easily.
October 30th, 20129:39 pm
What do you think about getting Scott Rolen for 3B
I know. Been declining for years but will be cheap and may get lucky. Veteran, knows how to hit and field when healthy…
October 30th, 20129:40 pm
exactly Efrim. Two great players. Most of those other guys, wouldn’t touch em!
October 30th, 20129:42 pm
If you check Rolen’s numbers for the past 5 years, he’s been beat up worse than Chipper was during that same time. And he will be 38 right after opening day.
Rolen is done.
October 30th, 20129:43 pm
When I think about Chipper Jones, in the future, somehow I doubt it’ll be about that last game.
Then again maybe I will.
Probably think about people throwing stuff on the field. That was pretty wild
Probably not the right thing to do
Or helpful really, all things considered
Still, if they were gonna lose anyway
I have to admit I kind of liked it
October 30th, 20129:44 pm
Let’s pass on Rolen…
Good nite folks.
I’d pick Koufax and Piazza!
October 30th, 20129:45 pm
In addition to the 17 players I listed above aside from Puig, the Dodgers have Ellis eligible for arbitration, and Kenley Jansen, Javy Guerra, Ronald Belisario, Dee Gordon, Luis Cruz, and Scott Elbert all under control and worthy of making the roster next year. That’s 24 players…… Crazy.
October 30th, 20129:46 pm
thanks phil and bat
saw where israelis
used brain stem cells on a rabbi
that was at deaths doorstep
and now has no symptoms,
my nurse says yeah but they dont even know if he had als
and im like well yall dont know that i have it either
cause theres no test for it
you just rule everything else out, id been going for 6 years with breathing issues
all tests showed normal, so they diagnosed me with acid reflux
im like how can it be that, i never even have heartburn
October 30th, 20129:47 pm
I have more confidence that Gattis will be MLB ready in 2013 than I do in Scott Rolen. I’m not kidding one bit.
Gattis is not a young pup. He has obviously figured out something, physical or mental, at a relatively late stage of his career, and he is going maximize and accelerate it. In the end, it may not be enough, but we will know pretty soon one way or the other.
October 30th, 20129:48 pm
Here’s a chart every Brave hitter should take advantage of.
0 – 0 count .186
0 – 1 count .199
0 – 2 count .118
1 – 0 count .386
1 – 1 count .269
1 – 2 count .151
2 – 0 count .342
2 – 1 count .290
2 – 2 count .169
3 – 0 count .267
3 – 1 count .329
3 – 2 count .192
The chart above is helpful in understanding what counts provide the highest level of probable success – what counts are the best for swinging. Pitchers are forced to be more aggressive “in the zone” when they fall behind, offering better pitches for hitters. Batting averages decline when pitchers get ahead early and keep hitters in a defensive position.
The throwing of items on the field is against everything I’ve ever been taught or have tried to teach my children. You can’t control what happens to you, but you can control how you deal with it.
But I’d of been darned tempted to join in the tossing!
My upset is almost gone from that fiasco, but I still insist that Fredi MUST get tossed in that situation. Imperative to the team at that point. You MUST make that strong of a statement.
I would have loved to have seen him go out to shortstop and count the steps it took to get to the ball. Then he should have went around in circles once he got to where the ball dropped, until he got dizzy and feel down. And don’t leave the field without a police escort.
That was my biggest disappointment. That, and losing the game of course.
October 30th, 20129:49 pm
I’d bet Hamilton, Bourn, Upton, Swisher, Jackson, LaRoche, Kuroda, Lohse, Pagan, Ortiz and Soriano all receive offers.
LaRoche, Kuroda, Pagan, and Ortiz all good possibilities to resign with their current teams, I think. Make sense for Kuroda to just accept the offer.
Agreed on the throwing stuff. Find myself hoping that next year when those umps come back next year they have rabbit ears and hear an ear full.
October 30th, 20129:50 pm
I not really looking forward to the stock market opening in the morning
I hate all these damn constitutional amendments of the ballot, here.
You have to watch these assclowns. Sometimes if you don’t want to amend it you have to vote yes.
October 30th, 20129:52 pm
I found myself wondering and picturing Bobby managing at that time. He might still be out there cussing those guys!
And you know that the pitchers know this. That is why so many of them throw that first pitch for a strike to try to get ahead.
So, as a batter you obviously want to be selective, but you also don’t want to pass up a grooved one on the first pitch. Because if the pitcher gets ahead of you, then it’s all downhill from there.
October 30th, 20129:54 pm
Yes, Fredi had to get tossed. I was disappointed in him too.
October 30th, 20129:56 pm
See ya later, phil
I would have loved to have seen him go out to shortstop and count the steps it took to get to the ball DS1
Would have made for some fine TV, Wayne. Replayed for years to come, a hit on you tube.
It would have taken 2-3 others to have gotten Bobby off the field. The team did well this year, so you can’t be too critical of Fredi. But I still think he is substandard as a major league manager. A good team masks a lot of faults with the manager.
Actually, the chart explains why many batters, like Prado, habitually take the first pitch. 0-0 versus 0-1, very little drop off. But get ball one, and you zoom to .386. Based on that chart, I’d take the first pitch every time.
October 30th, 20129:57 pm
FB on the outside corner for called strike one
FB off the plate inside so far he can only hit it foul for strike 2
Curve ball either in the dirt low and away or just outside for swinging strike 3.
Don’t think he has ever seen the count chart.
October 30th, 20129:58 pm
In fact, no drop off at all. 0-1 and 1-0 are better than 0-0. So NEVER swing at the first pitch, statistically speaking.
October 30th, 201210:01 pm
Not many guys have the bat control of Teeen.
Guys that take first pitch FB strikes consistently aren’t good hitters!
Good hitters hit FB strikes and if it isn’t there they et in hitters counts. As witnessed by the chart.
October 30th, 201210:03 pm
Of course if I was watching some other fans behaving that way, say with my nephews, I would have told them that’s no way to behave.
A lot of pent up frustration on display that night.
October 30th, 201210:05 pm
Except that if you truly never swung at the first pitch, then the pitchers would get a book on you, and it would always be a fastball down Peachtree.
So you have to teach your hitters to ONLY swing at the first pitch if it is a fastball down the middle.
But then again, the best hitters are probably more instinctive. See the ball, hit the ball.
October 30th, 201210:07 pm
October 30th, 201210:09 pm
Then how do you account for 94 base on balls? Kinda contradicts your theory (though I do realize you are only saying that in jest).
Dan just needs to not try to totally kill the ball all the time. Just hit it hard when it’s in his wheelhouse. Probably way too much thinking going on.
The bigger question is what happened to his power?
October 30th, 201210:10 pm
October 30th, 201210:11 pm
Won the Gold Glove!
October 30th, 201210:12 pm
That same article said that a hitter ahead 1 – 0 hit .187 points higher than a hitter behind 0 – 1.
Sounds like it’s very important to get ahead in the count.
October 30th, 201210:13 pm
McCutchen and Cargo?? Then obviously Derek Jeter will win another one too, right?
What a joke of an award.
October 30th, 201210:14 pm
Good for him
Congrats to Heyward
Now, if the Braves hitters can just subliminally channel that info to the opposing pitcher………
October 30th, 201210:19 pm
Wayne – I think you’re right on the first pitch but from what the chart says, you better be set up for a 85 mph Tommy Hanson fastball with no movement on it and swing ONLY if you get exactly that.
October 30th, 201210:22 pm
I just took an opportunity to bash my favorite whipping boy.
They would mix in some balls on him and he did take a lot of pitches
I think one of his biggest problems is he guesses every pitch. I’ve seen him swing at good first pitch curves with no count and let FBs go right down the pipe at other times on the first pitch.
He walks a lot because he does take a lot of pitches. Gets called out a lot too unfortunately on border line pitches.
This is obvious, sounds silly but its true. He was just awful this year and really the last 2 years minus the month long streak last year. When he gets good pitches to hit and he is on them he either misses completely, pulls it hard foul or fouls it off straight back.
He is just agonizing to me but he is here for 3 more years and I haven’t seen him do anyhting to suggest he is gonna try to change.
I need to just deal with it, huh and treat it kinda like Andy told Barney regarding Aunt Bees pickles – Learn to love em. Well , we better just learn to love Uggla cause he aint going nowhere anytime soon.
October 30th, 201210:24 pm
And Rochy beats out FF…
October 30th, 201210:25 pm
Cheers for JHey winning the Gold Glove! Well-deserved for a very good season! Well done, Jason! Also good to hear Dawson’s praise for him.
Congrats to Jhey
Roach is better at 1B unfortunately
October 30th, 201210:33 pm
Heyward is Braves’ 1st Gold Glove winner since Andruw and Frenchy in ‘07
October 30th, 201210:39 pm
Jason’s tweet after winning the Gold Glove:
“Its tough to put it in words how grateful I am for being recognized as a #RawlingsGoldGlover! Thank you to all of my FRIENDS, FAMILY, FANS, FELLOW PLAYERS and COACHES AROUND THE LEAGUE and my TEAMMATES for the continued support. Honor and a pleasure to bring such a respected award to the city of ATLANTA. CONGRATULATIONS to all of the Gold Glove Award winners and finalist for the award! Again proud to win the award and wear a Rawlings Glove every time I stepped on the field this yr. Thank y’all again! “
October 30th, 201210:40 pm
Not trying to re-write history, but in 2011 Uggla started the 33 game hitting streak on the 87th game of the year. When the streak stopped, he was hitting around 230/300/450. And proceeded to hit at that level through the rest of the season (40 more games).
This past year, he was actually hitting very well through mid June, when he took the season long nose dive. Though he did have a bit of a resurgance the last month of the year, when he hit 280/380/440 in September.
So truthfully, he had 1 incredible month. 3 pretty good months. 2 OK months and 6 really, really bad months.
So truly, it wasn’t just 1 single good month and then all disaster.
October 30th, 201210:47 pm
October 30th, 2012
You would prefer Pence on your team over Heyward.
You’re an idiot. I stopped reading after you said that.
I agree that is an idiot and it is a shame
October 30th, 201210:48 pm
Guess its just hard for me to remember the good ABs snuck in among all the bad ones.
He just kills me. Just dispise that stupid toe tapping, bicep flexing, tobacco spitting, arm shaving, swinging and missing…
You are right though!!! Maybe he’ll figure it out this next year.
Don’t trust me, look at the monthly splits. 1/2 (6 months) of his time with the Braves he’s been horrible. The other half (6 months) of his time, he’s been equal to or much better than his career norms.
But truly, what happened to his power after the break this year?
October 30th, 201210:49 pm
For those who’ve asked, here’s BBWAA Awards schedule: AL & NL Rookies of the Year, Nov. 12; Managers of the Year, Nov. 13; Cy Young awards, Nov. 14; MVPs, Nov. 15.
The finalists for all eight awards will be announced Nov. 7, which is something new for our (BBWAA) awards.
October 30th, 201210:51 pm
I understand what you are saying. But if he were hitting his norms more consistently, all those mannerisms wouldn’t bug you at all. You’d be an Uggla man.
I’ll certainly be pulling for him in 2013. I went out and bought an Uggla jersey/shirt in September of 2011, so he damned well better come around!!
October 30th, 201210:53 pm
I am happy for Jason, but that GG award is a crock. But Jason definitely deserves to be honored, as well as Bourn and probably Marteen.
Well, McFann must be surrounded by ICEE’s, in celebratory fashion of McCann’s 2013 return.
October 30th, 201210:54 pm
Bet you got that jersey dirt cheap!
I need to just deal with it, huh and treat it kinda like Andy told Barney regarding Aunt Bees pickles – Learn to love em. Well , we better just learn to love Uggla cause he aint going nowhere anytime soon
October 30th, 201210:55 pm
Tweet from Andrelton Simmons just now: Congrats to @JasonHeyward for winning his first gold glove award. This guy guided me a lot through my first year. You deserve [it] my man #defense
October 30th, 201210:56 pm
Wonder how many guys won Gold Gloves that don’t use Rawlings?
Think thats what screwed Chipper out of one a few years back when Wright got it!
Trey *Squeal like a pig, boy*
October 30th, 201210:58 pm
I tell ya what. I am so proud of Heyward.
October 30th, 201211:16 pm
No one knows how to respond to Trey’s name addendum…
October 30th, 201211:24 pm
I don’t know if New Jersey’s governor, Chis Christie, had an ocean view from his office before Sandy, but he has one now. Check this out (courtesy of CNN):
October 30th, 201211:38 pm
October 30th, 201211:52 pm
Yeah, VJ. It was a quote from Deliverance.
October 31st, 201212:04 am
Uggla has had sukko months about half the time since he got here, the other 6 have been close to or over 800. Big disappointment? damn straight.terrible except for one or two months? not in the real universe
October 31st, 20121:03 am
That pic looks mightily like a street just south of where my 1st cousin’s home is located [MARGATE, N.J.]. It’s on the east side of the barrier island near Point Pleasant, N.J. Guess it could be anywhere up and down the Jersey coast though..
October 31st, 20121:05 am
NED BEATTIE time….suey
October 31st, 20121:11 am
SS NICK AHMED [.350 BA] 1-4, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 1 BB, 1 SO.
C CORY BROWNSTEN [.273 BA] 1-4, 1 SO, 2 E [2, throw, throw].
3B ED SALCEDO [.127 BA] 1-4, 1 SB .
RHSP ZEKE SPRUILL [L 1-1, 2.92 ERA] 3.2 IP, 5 H, 1 HR, 3 R/ER, 1 BB, 4 SO.
October 31st, 20121:13 am
Oh where, oh where has my faithful WARD gone, oh where, oh where can he be?
October 31st, 20121:16 am
That picture is, supposedly, taken from the governor’s office.
October 31st, 20121:24 am
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
CF FELIX PIE [.294 BA] 0-3, 1 R, 2 BB, 1 SO, 1 SB .
RF OSCAR TAVARAS [.395 BA] 2-5, 2 R
C JC BOSCAN [.381 BA] 2-4,
LF EVAN GATTIS [.311 BA] 1-4.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.313 BA] 3-4, 1 R, 1 2B , 1 HR , 1 RBI 
October 31st, 20122:14 am
I’d like to take up a little space on DOB’s blog to wish cabravesfan & Venice Jim a very Happy Halloween!
There was one other thing, too, but I can’t seem to recall what it was. I guess it wasn’t too important…
October 31st, 20122:15 am
…oh yeah, it just came to me.
HAPPY THIRD ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 31st, 20122:16 am
Hello everyone! 2 more days until the deadline for free agency begins on Firday. Don’t think Braves will spend all their money on Hamilton. Most likely like Swisher, B.J. Upton, Pagan, or Justin Upton. That’s accoridning to what I’ve been reading. Braves are not going to strap their budget for the next couple of years.(Bourn still a big question?
Hello everyone! I don’t think Braves will spend their whole buget on one player. They will go after some one like B.J. Upton, Pagan, Swisher, or Justin Upton. Wren, is not going to strap the budget for the next 2 seasons on one player.
October 31st, 20122:18 am
Just been waiting for Friday, and what Wren is going to do. He will get us 2 players, but at the right cost.
October 31st, 20122:22 am
My prayers, thoughts to all those people involved with the super storm. God Bless, and pray for your safety.
October 31st, 20122:31 am
Most likely Josh Hamilton, and Greinke won’t be in the picture.
October 31st, 20123:59 am
All, have a good one! Glad Braves are bringing Mac back! Peace my friends, and talk tomorrow, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
October 31st, 20125:29 am
Hrow away was on Uggla too. Late getting to the bag. Running across there because he broke late like an out of control bat out of you know where.
I didn’t think he was all that late to the bag. He was on the base as the ball sailed over his head. Uncatchable unless he were 6ft +.
Re the Giants having no player you would take over ours…….. You’re forgetting about Posey. Take him over McCann easy.
Hopefully we can get Pence as well next year, put him in LF.
October 31st, 20125:39 am
the Dodgers will now have $200 million guaranteed in 2013…Efrim
No Greinke for you Dodgers. Hope he doesn’t go there. Those guys are just wasting money.
How did Bourn not win GG??? Hell, not even Prado won. Seriously?
Yea, Freddie didn’t deserve to win. 12 errors and negative ratings on D. Roachy and Votto were better.
October 31st, 20127:08 am
LaRoche was always a solid glove man.
October 31st, 20127:29 am
October 31st, 20128:51 am
How long till pitchers and catchers report?
October 31st, 20128:55 am
What’s wrong with Steve Spurrier?
October 31st, 20129:07 am
Free agent players are eligible to negotiate and sign with any Club beginning 12:01 AM EST Saturday, November 3. We’ll be tracking the signings. Below this table of 137 are players that have club, player, or mutual options. See whether those are being picked up or declined, along with contract details
Here’s the table, if you want to mark it….
October 31st, 20129:13 am
He’s not Zack Greinke. Thought I’d get the Greinke thread going early today
October 31st, 20129:17 am
I know I’m late to the party, but I’m so glad Huddy will be back!
I adore that guy.
Also, Happy Halloween!
October 31st, 20129:20 am
True he’s no Greinke.
Greinke apparently has some kind of anxiety issues
Spurrier has no filter and creates anxiety for others that have to try to defend him.
October 31st, 20129:21 am
Happy Halloween, RG
October 31st, 20129:26 am
Just checking in for a minute.
Roman Gal – good to see you post. Been a while, hasn’t it?
Jeff R – “Zack Greinke” is like a cup of coffee. It’s here every morning. TOBF will be pleased.
I’ll check back in later…. to see who we traded Heap to.
October 31st, 20129:28 am
Misunderstanding yesterday….some here called me an idiot for saying I would take Pence over Heyward. I said nothing of the sort. The query from Old Man was would you take San Fran’s 8 over our 8. I listed San Fran’s players I would take not taking into account positions that was in the original post. Obviously, hell freakin no I wouldn’t take Pence over Heyward. Never. I would take Pence in our LF though. Posey, Pagan, and Sandoval too actually in their very positions. I would like Scutaro but not at the expense of Prado. If I took Scutaro I couldn’t take Panda or Pence. Gotta play Prado.
Rock on….Heyward, Freeman, and Prado are the only Braves I deem as untouchable. The rest of them can be removed for better players as needed. So yeah, I would take San Fran’s 8 over our 8 if someone put a gun to my head and said make a choice or die. Which I guess is the blog mandate.
October 31st, 20129:34 am
Doesn’t affect his pitching…
I’d bet Hamilton, Bourn, Upton, Swisher, Jackson, LaRoche, Kuroda, Lohse, Pagan, Ortiz and Soriano all receive offers.
MLBTR readers disagree a bit. On their poll, only Hamilton is over 80% (80.3), Bourn and Ortiz are over 60%. Upton, Swisher, LaRoche, Soriano over 50%. Everyone else under that.
October 31st, 20129:37 am
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