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McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm
Efrim You’re killing me, Buster. You. Are. Killing. Me…..and McFann.
Knife in the heart…right…through…the heart…
I’d be pretty livid if the Braves decided to decline Brian McCann’s option and follow it up by giving Michael Bourn a five or six year deal. That’d be all sorts of awful.
Yes, it would be.
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm
Murph, often we say that we are victims of bad luck if there is an unexpected rain storm after we wash our cars, for example. That’s not anything supernatural. It’s just something that didn’t work out in our favor that had nothing to do with what we have any sort of control over. That’s essentially what we are talking about when we refer to “luck” in baseball. If you are uncomfortable with the term “luck,” feel free to use any other appropriate term.
If you are uncomfortable with the fact that complete chance is a major factor in results, I can’t help you there. Perhaps you need to rethink how much control we actually have over things.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm
Lew Seems to me that a catcher who plays a full season with the injuries McCann suffered last year and STILL hits 20 HR has a good bit of value – especially after being surgically repaired.
I agree. Too many people around here just can’t stop looking through their dung-colored glasses…
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm
Buster Olney Even if the Braves chose to pick up McCann’s option for next year, he almost certainly would be gone in 2014.
Ah, geez, he’s been drinking the same thing Bowman has!!……
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm
Pence is basically the 2012 Dan Uggla (in terms of overall offensive production), if Uggla could be a corner-outfielder and provide replacement-level defense or slightly below (i.e., add no defensive value). That’s not a particularly good player, at least not for the cost of Pence.
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm
Good comeback, but jeffrey d is the KING OF COMEBACKS.
You guys see that? I’m king.
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm
My first royal decree is that everybody overreact and go crazy about the Brian McCann situation.
George_George
October 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm
Why are the BRAVES putting McFann though all this? Pick up the option already.
jeffrey d
October 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm
Next, I’m going to need somebody to make a crazy trade proposal.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm
jeffrey d My first royal decree is that everybody overreact and go crazy about the Brian McCann situation.
I like a king who’s not afraid of new ideas…
Juan
October 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1335037-mlb-free-agency-2013-new-destination-predictions-for-top-50-available-players#/articles/1335037-mlb-free-agency-2013-new-destination-predictions-for-top-50-available-players/page/52
Wow….this prediction is out of this world….Cody Ross,Bourn, Greinke to the Braves….If this happen by this time next year will be in the WS.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm
George_George—
Ha! Thanks—I think I’ll be alright…not the worst thing a person could go through for sure…not even close…
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
12:31 pm
Tumbledown. …the players I know very well were a pitcher and 1st baseman. Junior years. 6-8 months rehab each. Scholarships were taken by under classmen and basically they were kinda kicked to the curb since they were heading into their senior year. Stellar players both and drafted out of high school. The timing of McCann’s injury has a parallel to that in that he too was in his last year. Bad timing. You have to let the labrum heal no matter the position of the player. McCann most likely can’t make any big difference before May 1st. Too late. Wrong injury wrong timing. Braves need to move on.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
12:32 pm
Cody Ross and Greinke to the Braves I like… Bourn not so much. Price and years on Ross depend as well.
Next, I’m going to need somebody to make a crazy trade proposal.
Delgado+ for Willingham. That’s crazy enough!
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:33 pm
Diligence is the mother of good luck.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:34 pm
Next, I’m going to need somebody to make a crazy trade proposal.
Where the heck is CraZy?? Isn’t that his job? He’s shirking his blog responsibilities!
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm
If this happen by this time next year will be in the WS.
I would stop reading articles from bleacher report.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:36 pm
Wow….this prediction is out of this world….Cody Ross,Bourn, Greinke to the Braves
Is Wren going to win the lottery or something? How’s he going to pay for all that? That’s $40+ mil in contracts for a team that has a little over $20mil to spend.
Juan
October 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm
We all Love Big Mac….but i will predict that Mac will not be a Braves no longer…Braves going to sign Napoli & Ross.we will sign Cody & Bourn & Trade Hanson to the Twin for a couple of minor leaguer.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm
That BR article sending some good talent to the Marlins… Napoli, EJax, Melky. Can’t see that happening. No FA would want to go there. Wish we could get Nap
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm
I would pitch Vogelsong on three days rest in Game Two if I were the Bochy/Giants. Regardless of the outcome of Game One.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:42 pm
I’m going to print out that bleacher report article just so I can say it isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, then let the 4 year old wipe her hiney with it.
Juan
October 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm
Murph….Did you read the article?……Thay explain how th braves will sign greinke with back contract deal…..
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm
50/50 on picking up the option from Bowman:
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
@jamesnhicks Nothing has changed. That’s basically the same thing I wrote last week. I’d say it’s 50/50. We’ll know after the WS
They have until three days after the World Series. I sure hope they pick it up.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
12:46 pm
On a positive note.
Troy Glaus had a torn labrum in ‘04. He was an all-star in ‘06. Vernon Wells had a cyst and labrum surgery in ‘07 and was an all-star in ‘10.
Wow, I never thought I’d see Troy Glaus and Vernon Wells production mentioned as “On a positive note”.
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
12:46 pm
Diligence is the mother of good luck.
All the diligence (or design) in the world couldn’t stop a spry, young player from getting injured or a ball from taking a bad hop or a bad call by an umpire or a rain storm from cropping up out of nowhere and making your newly washed car all muddy or any things of those sorts.
But apparently humans are capable of controlling the universe on some supernatural level and there is no such thing as stuff like this happening.
Juan
October 23rd, 2012
12:46 pm
There’re another bleacher report that include the Ideal place for 10 free agent and only mention Shane Victorino as a Braves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm
The Braves barely touched the 2011-12 free-agent class, but their time to splurge has come. GM Frank Wren will lock up Michael Bourn with the largest contract that the franchise has ever presented to a position player (possibly $100 million guaranteed).
It’s impossible to replace a center fielder with his defensive prowess and on-base ability.
Defense can be done with Bourjos… OBP, eh. Not worth 100mil over 5-6 years.
Starting pitcher Zack Greinke has enjoyed his stint in Los Angeles, but Atlanta is an ideal fit.
Most importantly, they are poised to contend for the foreseeable future. Plus, the team is not subject to the criticism of nosy media or a die-hard fanbase.
Even after inking Cody Ross and Michael Bourn, the Braves can fairly compensate Greinke with a back-loaded contract.
That bold is so true. God, I hope this comes true.
Bat Masterson
October 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm
Enter your comments here
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm
But apparently humans are capable of controlling the universe on some supernatural level and there is no such thing as stuff like this happening……
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Infield fly! Infield fly! Infield fly!
Gone Viral
October 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm
I haven’t been keeping up. Why is Bowman so ready to ship McCann out of town next year?
RC
October 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm
There’re another bleacher report that include the Ideal place for 10 free agent and only mention Shane Victorino as a Braves.
That’s what you get for reading bleacher report.
Juan
October 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm
The only way i see the Braves sign Mac is with a long term contract now.. and insurance the next 6 month salary….Is not a good business for the Braves to pick up Mac 12 mil now when yo don’t know how he will be back.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm
God does not play dice with the universe.
Bat Masterson
October 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm
The Braves would be idiots not to pick up McCann’s option. He has been a damn god value so far for them. All those people that love Ross’ defense will end up disappointed in it if he has to play everyday because it will surely suffer.
If I’m Jason Heyward I’m paying close attention to how the team treats Brian, here.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm
Most importantly, they are poised to contend for the foreseeable future. Plus, the team is not subject to the criticism of nosy media or a die-hard fanbase.
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Oh but those blog denizens are pure hell.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:53 pm
Shallow men believe in luck or in circumstance. Strong men believe in cause and effect.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
After how Smoltz and Glavine were let go…. they better treat Brian right.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 23rd, 2012
12:54 pm
Juan We all Love Big Mac
That doesn’t appear to be true around here…
Jimmy
October 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
Bat – You do understand that McCann may not be back until June?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
Joe @BravesRed
Braves will have the 28th pick in the MLB draft in 2013. Last time Braves had that pick, Sean Gilmartin was drafted.
Let’s get another college polished lefty…
RC
October 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm
After how Smoltz and Glavine were let go…. they better treat Brian right.
What’s interesting about both of those situations is that their performance after the Braves let them go essentially proved the Braves front office right…..they were DONE.
Bat Masterson
October 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm
Jimmy_
Let’s not kid ourselves here, okay. You would dump Heap no matter what.
Tumbledown
October 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm
Murph – I was just looking up that “Shallow men” quote, by chance.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm
It’s funny how everyone is saying they better “treat Brian right”. What would that be exactly? Exercising his option so that he plays next year for $12 million? Offering him a long-term contract prior to finding out how he will recover from surgery? It could be argued that “treating him right” would mean declining the option so that he has the opportunity to leave and make mega-bucks by signing with an AL team to be catcher and part time DH. I think both parties are going to act in what they believe to be their own best interests, and hopefully those interests will overlap enough that a deal can be worked out between them. If not, then I wish him the best of luck wherever he ends up playing.
Murph
October 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm
Shaun, you won’t see this as you’re busy typing out a 5 paragraph explanation of luck or chance or circumstance in which you’ll be condescending towards me in an attempt to prove your point… but… I wanted you to know that I’m simply copying/pasting quotes about luck i found on the interweb in an effort to get your worked up.
That is all.
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
1:04 pm
God does not play dice with the universe.
Something could look like a dice-roll from our perspective. For example, a ball taking a bad hop. That still is something outside of a player’s skills as a player that affects results.
Shallow men believe in luck or in circumstance. Strong men believe in cause and effect.
What if you think things are vastly more complex than either/or and believe in both? I suppose I’m strong and shallow.
Jimmy
October 23rd, 2012
1:04 pm
Bat – No, what I’ve always been against a long term extention after 2013. I was counting on him being here next year.
It just makes no sense for $12 mill for four months or so. And you don’t know what you’ll be getting from him.
Carroll Rogers
October 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm
Efrim, I need to double check on that. You might be right. Saw that in another report on ESPN but you’re right that it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm
For the record, it’s not that I don’t like McCann. It’s a timing issue with him. He is heading into the biggest contract he will ever sign most likely. Why would he settle for less than 5 years at say 70 mill. Braves aren’t paying that for sure. So why pay 12 mil now coming off surgery and missing at least a month of the season when there is zero chance he is staying. Makes no sense to me at all. Quite frankly, this has been an issue sans injury for most of the year. Many conjectured that the Braves wouldn’t pick up or extend McCann last spring. The injury just makes the decision seem obvious to me. If the Braves really wanted him long term they should have locked him up sooner. Didn’t happen.
DAP
October 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm
RCIt’s funny how everyone is saying they better “treat Brian right”. What would that be exactly?
first, its having a very open and honest discussion with brian and his agent. brian needs to be aware of EVERYTHING that is happening relating to his status with the team. it needs to be handled like a relationship between two equals. second, brian wants to stay here, so the braves need to accommodate that. they can simply pick up the option, or they can discuss with him the option of a short extension. they CANNOT decline the option without talking with him, and then try to negotiate anything. nor should they exercise it without making sure he knows exactly the nature of thier relationship.
bottom line is, brian needs to be treated like a person, not a business expense or investment.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm
I think one of the more underrated interesting stories of the Braves next year is how they will deal with Pastornicky. You’ve got to assume his trade value is close to nothing at this point, seeing as how the team made it obvious they don’t think he’s defensively good enough to play SS in the majors. They could keep him on the team as a utility guy, but Janish is around for that role, and Pastornicky is still young enough you’d like to see him develop with regular at-bats. On the other hand, he’s done about all he can in the minors, and utility seems to be his future. It’s a very strange situation for him right now, and I hope the Braves find someway to extract value from him while getting him into a situation that enables him to thrive.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm
bottom line is, brian needs to be treated like a person, not a business expense or investment. – DAP
That’s a pretty good explanation. And I think it’s true that a conversation of that type should go on with any player in a position similar to his, although I disagree that he should be privy to EVERYTHING happening regarding his status on the team. Wren and front office are paid to make decisions which are best for the Braves organization, and sometimes those can be difficult decisions which might not make all of the players happy. They need to be able to discuss those decisions among themselves openly and coldly in order to make the tough calls when needed. If they don’t do that, they are neglecting their duty to the organization.
However, I completely agree with you that there needs to be an open line of communication. The worst situation in my mind would be for McCann to find out on ESPN, MLB.com, or the AJC that his option isn’t being exercised. I trust the front office to get that part of it right, even if in the end they make a decision on the option that I don’t agree with.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm
Bat, I think Heyward will do what he(and his agent) wants, regardless of the McCann decision.
If Heyward wants to risk it, play the next three years out through arbitration and hit the free agent market as a 26 year old, than he can do so.
But I’m guessing Jason and his agent Casey Close, are smart enough to know that $45-50 million over the next five seasons is awaiting him if he decides to give up two years of his free agency. He will still be a 28 year old hitting free agency if he does so, I think.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm
Did you guys read the articles yesterday about the Italian scientists who got 6 years in jail for not predicting an earthquake? An earthquake?? Despite hundreds of scientists around the world saying that earthquakes cannot be predicted, they still got 6 years… in JAIL… MURPH
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Keep this in mind, everyone, the next time you want to bash our country. Be damn glad we have a constitution and a court system that prevents this kind of travesty.
Now, back to trying to get rid of Mac before we waste 12 million on damaged and out of shape goods.
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
1:21 pm
Dadgum….., I don’t think long-term has an bearing on the 2013 option. If McCann is likely to be worth approximately $12M, why would they not pick up the option, unless they know that they can get another catcher who is likely to be at least as productive for a lot lower cost. I’d rather them take the chance on McCann, at least for 2013. But who knows. Maybe they have some sort of great trade for a catcher worked out. You worry about 2014 when the time comes.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm
Sigh….
I have great respect for long time, no see, Bat Masterson. Since he says keep Mac, I’ll change my tune and vote to pick up the option.
Where’s the checkbook?
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm
FWIW, that BR article is a month old….
Would take little from it….
Its nice though they assume we will be contending for quite some time….and that we could spend some cash….
And while I’d love to have the 3 guys mentioned, I’d settle for Greinke, Span, and someone else….I still don’t think we have the cash for Greinke though as much as I wish we did
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm
I hope the Braves find someway to extract value from him Pastornicky) while getting him into a situation that enables him to thrive.
Me too… I really hope and think he should be our utility IF, but with Janish around, and the Braves loving their defense, it’s gonna be tough. No reason for him to toil in the minors any longer either.
25-man roster him or trade him.
TennesseePaul
October 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm
Thank you for the work CR. I’m late to reading this but I do have a question, which, once I post this, I will skim the comments to see if it is explained further…
Bourn could still sign with the Braves if he doesn’t accept the qualifying offer, but the Braves would have to forfeit a first round pick.
What? The Braves would lose their pick if they resign their one guy? Would they get the supplemental, or is this just out-right punishment for signing your own guy?
I thought I had this down, but that’s certainly a new wrinkle…
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Powder Blue
October 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm
Should be a good World Series if you like pitching…and I like pitching.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm
I can’t say I’ve even thought about Tyler Pastornicky over the last couple weeks. He seems sort of insignificant at this point. Ceiling of a utlity player, but isn’t really a great glove. He’s going to have to improve the defense to be trusted in the infield.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:29 pm
Thanks for checking, Carroll. I think it makes more sense that they wouldn’t lose their own 1st rounder for resigning one of their own players.
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm
I don’t get that either….
How exactly do you get punished for resigning a player?!
That would lead to very few qualifying offers and players staying in one place if thats the case
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm
Would they get the supplemental, or is this just out-right punishment for signing your own guy?
It would be more of a negative to making any sort of qualifying offer. It would mean you are basically punting on the guy, because you certainly wouldn’t want to lose your first rounder if you signed him to a long term deal. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense if that’s the way it’s set up. And I have to imagine it would of been talked about at length among the baseball media.
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm
RC, what about making Pastornicky a secondbaseman in the minors and seeing if he can hit enough to be a decent secondbaseman? He’s probably not going to have a lot of power but there’s some chance he can do enough other things offensively to be a major league secondbaseman. Or maybe even thirdbase, since replacement level at thirdbase is rather low these days, if he has the arm for it. If he can develop as a hitter, maybe he could be something sort of like a Placido Planco type.
Seems this would be the best way to extract as much value as possible from Pastornicky without playing him in the big leagues and without pretending that you think he’s a shortstop, since that ship has sailed.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm
back-load Greinke’s contract… trade Maholm and Hanson. Fill LF and CF for under 10-12mil. Getting Jay or Bourjos for CF makes this easier.
ncscoots
October 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm
Shallow men believe in luck or in circumstance. Strong men believe in cause and effect.
The better version is “Shallow men are defeated by luck or circumstance. Strong men are only delayed.”
P-Town Brave ©
October 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm
Shaun-
I am thinking more Ryan Theriot level
phil
October 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm
If we received EVERY first round pick, would we then win some playoff games?
Even one such game?
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm
Yup. I’m about ready for the offseason to officially start. Let’s get this World Series over with. Detroit in 5. Verlander and Scherzer with their combined three starts with Verlander pitching a complete game in Game Five.
TennesseePaul
October 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm
This year’s free agent class is not good… Next year’s free agent class could be even worse, in overall quality.
–Buster
…Braves will have to do it via the trade route, as usual.
–Efrim
All the more reason to draft better.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm
.277/.342/.376/.719
The Rev’s line in 5 minor league seasons. He slugged over .400 in 2011, playing at both AA and AAA
.307/.354/.405/.758 line at AAA. I don’t think he needs any more time in the minors.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm
ncscoots
October 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm
Shallow men believe in luck or in circumstance. Strong men believe in cause and effect.
The better version is “Shallow men are defeated by luck or circumstance. Strong men are only delayed.”
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Meet our shallow Atlanta Braves…..or we could say defeated by lack of offense and errors.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm
All the more reason to draft better.
Yes, absolutely. With an emphasis on players that can pitch at the front of a rotation and hitters that can be above average regulars.
And for those folks who think this is always a consideration, well, you’re not seeing what has come into the organization since the 2009 draft. That has not been the thought process.
ncscoots
October 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm
phil, are you going to be grumpy the entire offseason? That is, is every…single…post going to be a mini-tirade on failure?
That’s your right, and all, if you so desire. But I think I might just skip over them for a while,and that’s why I’m asking.
Gary O.
October 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm
Shaun,
Sure, there is a chance that he doesn’t bounce back from injury but he’s still fairly young and I wouldn’t bet against medical technology these days..
BMac will not bet against medical technology either, so I doubt he signs an extension. I think he will gamble that he will return close to form, and can make more money by signing a free agent contract next offseason (hopefully with the Braves, but if not, I think he will have lots of interest from AL teams).
ncscoots
October 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm
Meet our shallow Atlanta Braves
…whereas I would call them only delayed, thus “our strong Atlanta Braves”.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm
what about making Pastornicky a secondbaseman in the minors and seeing if he can hit enough to be a decent secondbaseman?
I don’t think Tyler can hit enough to be a regular at any position other than SS. But since he can’t field well enough to play everyday there, he’ll have to succeed as a backup, imo.
Nowhere man
October 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm
In last nights debate Chipper E Jones picked Tilted Kilt as the winner. Good call Chipper. You have been burned by Hooters before.
Gary O.
October 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm
Efrim,
When JJ was off to a great start and made the AS team, I remember Buster wrote an article on whether or not the Braves should trade JJ since his value is at it’s highest. It turns out he was right.
As for his BMac article…I think Braves will pick up his option, because if nothing else, it buys them some time.
Hyperbole
October 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm
Bat – No, what I’ve always been against a long term extention after 2013
Okay, Jimmy. Fair enough.
Bat, I think Heyward will do what he(and his agent) wants, regardless of the McCann decision.
Efrim, yeah I’m sure they will. I’m still paying attention to how they treat Heap, a home grown by god star, who has given the team really great value over the life of his contract.
Nowhere man
October 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm
The braves will pick up Mac’s option. He will have a good season and then sign a long term deal with the braves.
Gary O.
October 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm
FA catchers next offseason (from MLB traderumors);
John Buck (33)
Jesus Flores (29)
Ryan Hanigan (33)
Ramon Hernandez (38)
Wil Nieves (36)
Brayan Pena (32)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (29)
Geovany Soto (31)
Kurt Suzuki (30) – $8.5MM club option with a $650K buyout.
If healthy, BMac will get paid.
rammerjammer
October 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Would McCann’s first season (59 games, 204 PA) count as a full season under the 10/5 rule?
Bat Masterson
October 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Hyperbole is the name I used to back a comment, a few weeks ago, on my desk top. Can’t remember what it was about but it must have been something way over the top.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm
yeah I’m sure they will
Or, they can be reasonable and understand that this is a business and things like this aren’t black and white.
The only reason this is at all in question is because of the injury McCann suffered this past year which effected his production. Otherwise the Braves would love to keep him. And honestly, if McCann never got hurt and played well through last season and 2013, he would of wanted a very large contract – and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if he bolts for an AL team for 2014 and beyond. Because it’s a business. Heyward, and his agent, should certainly understand that.
Bat Masterson
October 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm
I have great respect for long time, no see, Bat Masterson. Since he says keep Mac, I’ll change my tune and vote to pick up the option.
Ha………. thanks, phil. I’ve talked to several people that have told me they are going to be really ticked off if the Braves don’t pick it up.
I’ve been reading the blog some but I’m in full on freak out mode over some family health issues, and have been for quite a while now.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm
Relax, Scoots….
Hang tough, Bat.
Efrim
October 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Bat, I think it’s okay for fans to keep an eye on things. But I’m not sure it matters. Braves want productive players on their roster because the goal is to win a World Series every single year. Now, I still think the option should be picked up because he’s a great catcher when in the lineup and healthy. But I’d understand if they want to decline it if there was a better alternative. There isn’t though, and certainly not a good thing if they have to trade assets to fill a 3rd need.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Shaun,
Your 1:32 is a pretty good idea regarding Pastornicky. I guess my only concern with it is that he doesn’t appear to have a future at 2b with the Braves (they seem unwilling to move Uggla), and now that Atlanta has appeared to “give up” on him at the major league level, it would be hard for them to get much in return by trading him. But considering how quickly the future can change, it certainly doesn’t hurt to postpone his ML service time a bit and see if he can be something other than you originally planned for.
Carroll Rogers
October 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm
Efrim went back and double-checked the summary of the collective bargaining agreement. It simply says:
“A club that signs a player subject to compensation will forfeit its first round selection, unless it selects in the top 10, in which case it will forfeit its second-highest selection in the draft.” The only thing is says about the former club is “the player’s former club will receive a selection at the end of the first round beginning after the last regularly scheduled selection in the round. the former clubs will select based on reverse order of wining percentage from the prior championship season.”
So I think the assumption there is the club is not the same thing as the former club.
ncscoots
October 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
I’m still paying attention to how they treat Heap, a home grown by god star, who has given the team really great value over the life of his contract.
One cannot discount this, because players are not bloodless beings devoid of emotion. They’re human, emotions have currency, and no one can entirely separate the calculating businessman from the adrenaline-rushed baseball player.
At some point, the money is the money, but no player goes to a team just for money. There are always other factors at play, and respect is one of them. Oh, an organization can make hard decisions; they can even treat players as expendable assets; they just can’t be seen as doing it. Players (and people in general) don’t mind giving loyalty, they just want it to be a two-way street.
Lemke's Knuckler
October 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm
Is it just me, or did more prospects fizzle this past season than usual?
Shaun
October 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm
RC, I suppose another option would be to just play Pastornicky at short in the minors hoping he gets better there. That would obviously be the best-case scenario because that would maximize his value. But it could also come across as the Braves forcing the issue and, if he can’t play there, other teams will realize it. If it’s more likely secondbase is his best position, why not just play him there in the minors full-time in hopes that some other team sees some value in him there?
RC
October 23rd, 2012
2:03 pm
“A club that signs a player subject to compensation will forfeit its first round selection, unless it selects in the top 10, in which case it will forfeit its second-highest selection in the draft.” The only thing is says about the former club is “the player’s former club will receive a selection at the end of the first round beginning after the last regularly scheduled selection in the round. the former clubs will select based on reverse order of wining percentage from the prior championship season.”
So I think the assumption there is the club is not the same thing as the former club.
The language of the CBA is pretty poorly written here, but I think the catch is “a player subject to compensation”. If a player resigns with his “former club”, then they wouldn’t be his “former club”, and he therefore wouldn’t be “subject to compensation”. Since he’s not “subject to compensation”, no picks would be awarded to or surrendered by the signing club.
RC
October 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm
At some point, the money is the money, but no player goes to a team just for money. There are always other factors at play, and respect is one of them. Oh, an organization can make hard decisions; they can even treat players as expendable assets; they just can’t be seen as doing it. Players (and people in general) don’t mind giving loyalty, they just want it to be a two-way street.
No doubt. But I think it’s also true that players are more concerned with respect shown towards themselves than to other players. If the Braves release McCann and then approach Heyward with a really good multi-year offer, he’s not going to view that as them “disrespecting Brian”. He’s going to view that as “respecting me”.
That’s just human nature.
phil
October 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm
No way, Scoots….
I admire your notion that no player choses a team just for money, but I just don’t buy that. It’s just the way it is. Money is all that matters to these overpaid, whiny, sniveling brats that play the games we love.
Sure, they want to win, but who cares where as long as there are plenty of millions to waste in an orgy of excess before the inevitable bankruptcy filing.
Chipper is an exception and a rare one at that, but it’s not as if he didn’t make 140 million dollars anyway. If that’s not enough, then something is badly wrong. In other words, something is badly wrong somewhere.
Dadgum.....
October 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Meet our shallow Atlanta Braves…..or we could say defeated by lack of offense and errors.
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Infield fly! Infield fly! Infield fly!