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Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:24 pm
Watching two teams that could combine and make a team and could not of beat our Braves makes me sick.
What?
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:25 pm
Efrim i give my opinion and you call it nonsense but I speak the truth. It is not nonsense in my book and that is the bottom line. I think Prado is the best player in the MLB. He can play any position and is a asset that can not be denied. I even heard he has a knuckle ball that can not be hit. What you think about that now?
Jimmy
October 25th, 2012
4:25 pm
Homer – Can you post something that makes sense and is accurate.
Like maybe – “I am a real numbnutz!”
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:26 pm
You heard me Murph, these two teams could unite and not beat our Braves
Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:26 pm
Efrim i give my opinion and you call it nonsense but I speak the truth. It is not nonsense in my book and that is the bottom line. I think Prado is the best player in the MLB. He can play any position and is a asset that can not be denied. I even heard he has a knuckle ball that can not be hit. What you think about that now?
What?
Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:27 pm
You heard me Murph, these two teams could unite and not beat our Braves
What?
Lew
October 25th, 2012
4:27 pm
Jimmy – My view on it? Just going by the way they’ve done things since Wren took over. Is that the way it will shake out? I have no idea, but they copuld have anounced it by now and they haven’t. So looks like I could well be right. If not? Well, I guess I’ll just concede that Wren did it differently than usual.
But honestly? WTF difference does it really make? How come no one’s actually come up with a reason that it actually matters?
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:28 pm
Jimmy all you can do is call me names to make you feel better? I give my opinion just like anybody else and none of us are Wren or are smart enough to be Wren so just give your opinion and I will give mine and let real ppl that are smart like Wren make the real choices. But it is fun to give your opinion. Why call me names? You will not shut my voice down
Lew
October 25th, 2012
4:29 pm
An asset? Without a doubt. Best player in MLB? Not even close.
cricket
October 25th, 2012
4:30 pm
i’m betting Rangers get Shohei Otani
Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:30 pm
You will not shut my voice down
Huh?
Shaun
October 25th, 2012
4:31 pm
Lew and Jimmy, I think he’s waiting as long as he can just to be on the safe side because that’s usually what you do when you’re investing millions in a player coming off surgery. I don’t think the Braves are not confident that the surgery “didn’t take” or whatever. I don’t think they are going to decline the option. I just think they are waiting it out because they can and it’s the safe way to go.
Jimmy
October 25th, 2012
4:32 pm
Lew – No, it really doesn’t matter. Pure speculation on my part.
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2012
4:32 pm
I don’t like seeing back to back or 2 outta 3
So, you’re good with the Braves winning once every 20/25 years then… and pleased they didn’t win in 91, 92, 96 and 99?
cricket
October 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
Worst MLB contracts: The A-Rod debacle
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2175/2175
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:33 pm
Mets getting Willingham and Soo Chin, Gnats getting Bourn, Phi. getting Hamilton. The Braves better get in the game and do some things
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:35 pm
IMO Prado is the best player in baseball. I can back it up and you can back it up that it is not true. It is just someones opinion
Jimmy
October 25th, 2012
4:36 pm
Homer – Your “opinons” are baseless.
Prado is my fav Brave, but he is not the best player in MLB. What do you base that comment on?
And the Tigers + Giants couldn’t beat the Braves? That is just plain stupid to think that. Never mind, typing it out on the blog.
You have now moved up to Numbletard.
Got to go. See you good folks later.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:38 pm
IMO Braves can rock n roll without spending money and save the money for the all star break when more ppl come available. Ones that are having a good season. The Braves are the front runners to win in 13. Time for it to happen for us fans.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:39 pm
I could see Hamilton going to something like 10 teams. No one knows. Guy could go absolutely anywhere with available funds.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:39 pm
When they don’t like what you say they call you names to make your opinion look weak. Calling me names makes you look weak.
Lew
October 25th, 2012
4:40 pm
Prado’s my favorite Brave, too and I seriously believe he’s as valuable to the Braves as any other player they have right now. But I can’t (and I’ve been called a Homer here for years) in all honestly claim he’s the best player in baseball. That’s more of a stretch than Mr. Bill could have gotten from torturing Gumby on the rack.
Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:41 pm
The Braves are the front runners to win in 13
They’ll win at least once, yes.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:41 pm
It is just someones opinion
So is saying Miguel Cabrera is the best defensive 3B in the sport – but that would make me a fool. Similar to saying Prado for Trout is something you’d turn down if you were a Braves fan.
Lew
October 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
Hell yeah – trade Prado for Trout and trade for David Wright.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2012
4:43 pm
Ahh, come on. You have to admit that it’s a more interesting day when Ward and Homer show up, no?
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:44 pm
Prado extension – Four years, $36-38 million. Hope that happens. I think him and Heyward get locked up this offseason.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:45 pm
Yes, you can argue Inge is the best 3rd baseman defense. It is just opinion
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:45 pm
i know you were making a joke but I show you it is a opinion
ncscoots
October 25th, 2012
4:47 pm
but that would make me a fool.
Well, now, I think that’s a little harsh. I don’t think any of your friends here would say that.
Not out loud where you could hear it, anyhow.
Murph
October 25th, 2012
4:47 pm
Ahh, come on. You have to admit that it’s a more interesting day when Ward and Homer show up, no?
It’s like the blog Special Olympics… you can’t help but root and cheer them on.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:48 pm
Prado has the X factor that all always say they need that X factor. I trust Prado yr. in and out to be the man he has shown he is.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
4:49 pm
i’m betting Rangers get Shohei Otani
Can we get Darvish then? … Really love his pitching. He’s a free agent, what, 5 years from now, at age 30? I hope we have a need for an ace then, he’ll fit right in.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2012
4:50 pm
you can’t help but root and cheer them on.
People might skip a post from you or me, Murph, but I bet nobody scrolls a Ward or Homer post. Just sayin’…
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:52 pm
The Angels are highly unlikely to re-sign right fielder Torii Hunter, MLBTR has learned from a source close to the situation. The Angels are highly prioritizing pitching improvements, and Hunter will have a chance to explore the open market.
Stay away Wren.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
4:52 pm
Angels Unlikely To Re-Sign Torii Hunter
The Angels are highly unlikely to re-sign right fielder Torii Hunter, MLBTR has learned from a source close to the situation. The Angels are highly prioritizing pitching improvements, and Hunter will have a chance to explore the open market.
Frank! Frank! He won’t be staying out there, like some have claimed…
A week ago, Bob Nightengale of USA Today wrote that the Angels offered Hunter “only a one-year contract at a heavy pay cut from his $18 million salary,” and that Hunter is aiming for at least a two-year deal.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:53 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…… “Hello everyone!” is my favorite post of the day.
Just brings a smile to my face.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:55 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan, I thought he said he would give them a discount because he not happy with his performance?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
4:56 pm
Stay away Wren.
Why? I know he’s not a premium player and is getting older, but he’s been solid against lefties. .288/.354/.461/.815 over his last 4 years. 2 years, 20-24mil might be reasonable.
Not my first choice, but he’s available.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2012
4:57 pm
Hunter will have a chance to explore the open market.
I sometimes had to give an employee a chance to explore the open market, my own self.
Though I just called it “fired”.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
4:57 pm
LF Trumbo, CF Trout, RF Wells/Bourjos
3B Callaspo, SS Aybar, 2B Kendrick, 1B Pujols, C Ianetta, DH Morales
SP Weaver, Wilson
RP Frieri, Downs, Walden, Jepsen
Yeah, I’d focus on pitching too.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
4:58 pm
Tori Hunter would be a great sign for the Braves
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
4:59 pm
Why Efrim?
Whats wrong w/ Torii Hunter that I am missing…..I sure as hell would take a shortened gamble on him before I took one on Willingham….you keep your prospects and get a guy who is a good hitter, great defender, and VERY solid in the clubhouse….a guy who simply just wants to win….
Whats so wrong with that?!
Shaun
October 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
Fired would be more like releasing a player, though even that’s not really like a firing, since contracts are guaranteed and he’s getting paid no matter what.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
They could use a corner outfielder too. Kaleb Cowart is a stud, so I don’t see them looking for a long term solution at 3B with him in the fold.
Really wish we drafted Cowart. Sweet swing.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:00 pm
Scoots-
Can’t get fired if you’re a free agent….
Thats how that whole thing called “Free Agency” works
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:02 pm
I am still made that FG did not pull a Rome Braves Randle Ingle move when it called a infield fly rule and I am one of the proud Braves fans that threw a miller lite can at the ump. I get emotional when it comes to our Braves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
5:02 pm
Hunter for LF, Bourjos for CF, trade Hanson and Maholm, wrestle Greinke away from LAA.
BTW, they’re expected to decline Haren’s option, but may give him a qual. offer, so he would probably be off the table if we wanted to keep a draft pick.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
5:02 pm
Hunter had a very, very lucky year with balls in play and he’s 37 years old. No. Absolutely not. We need a true middle of the order hitter, for chriss’ sakes.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:02 pm
*mad
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:04 pm
Press say Braves fans are not into the game then we go buck wild and they put us down. We can’t win for nothing
Shaun
October 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
P-Town Brave ©, Willingham is a much better hitter at this point in their careers, his hitting probably makes up for the difference in defense at this point in their careers and I wouldn’t question Willingham’s desire to win. In fact, I wouldn’t question most players’ desire to win. I think it’s ridiculous to throw in that one guy “simply just wants to win,” as if every player doesn’t.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:06 pm
Efrim-
Not saying he’d be my first option, but he sure as hell would beat out Willingham….
Would he beat out giving a boatload away for Upton…meh, probably not…..
But he fits one criteria Willingham never has….WINNING
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:07 pm
Oh….and before I let this go….
Thats what she said….
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:08 pm
Shaun-
Im not going to get into another debate with you over Willingham….I’m just not….THE END
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:09 pm
We had neon tomahawks that night and took it to another level and our Braves buckled under the pressure of our homefield advantage. They were not ready for the game like us fans were. We had brooms and neon tomahawks in hand and it not scare the cards but it scared the umps and the Braves. Braves better get use to us fans being the greatest fans in all of sports cause we thirsty and ready to rumble in 2013
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:10 pm
That what she said, Office ranks with the best as far as comedy goes
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:11 pm
I throw a bottle at Dexter for not taking blood slide of his victim anymore. What’s next?
Shaun
October 25th, 2012
5:11 pm
So Willingham doesn’t want to win? Can anyone substantiate these claims?
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
5:11 pm
Who should get qualifying offers?
By Ben Lindbergh Baseball Prospectus
For the next several days, much of the baseball world will be watching the Detroit Tigers and San Francisco Giants fight it out in the Fall Classic. But for the 28 teams whose seasons have already ended, the focus will be on what to do once the World Series is over and the winter’s work begins.
As soon as the World Series ends, eligible players will become free agents. Under the new CBA, teams can still seek draft-pick compensation for departing free agents, but the old system of classifying free agents as “Type A” and “Type B” based on past performance has been abolished. Now, a team that wants to receive a compensatory pick at the end of the first round in the following year’s amateur draft has to make a “qualifying offer”: a one-year contract equal to the average of the top 125 salaries from the previous season (in this case, $13.3 million).
A player’s former team can continue to negotiate with him if he rejects the offer, but if he signs somewhere else, his new team will have to forfeit either a first- or a second-round pick (the first 10 picks are protected). A team can’t be compensated for a free agent unless he spent the whole season on its roster, which rules out mid-season trade targets like Ryan Dempster, Zack Greinke, Anibal Sanchez, and Shane Victorino (not to mention the amazing Marco Scutaro).
Qualifying offers must be extended by 5:00 PM Eastern on the fifth day after the World Series. Players who receive them will have until the seventh day after the Series to accept or reject. So which players are good candidates for qualifying offers, and what will their teams decide to do?
Easy decisions
Josh Hamilton, Texas Rangers
Kyle Lohse, St. Louis Cardinals
David Ortiz, Boston Red Sox
Jake Peavy, Chicago White Sox
Rafael Soriano, New York Yankees
Nick Swisher, Yankees
Difficult decisions
Michael Bourn, Atlanta Braves
A qualifying offer would be a sizeable raise for Atlanta’s free-agent outfielder, but Bourn is a Scott Boras client, and his agent will want to pursue a bigger payday. The Braves might still bring him back, but they’ll make sure to get themselves a draft picking before deciding whether to up their offer.
Will he receive a qualifying offer? Yes
Edwin Jackson, Washington Nationals
Hiroki Kuroda, Yankees
Shaun Marcum, Milwaukee Brewers(No)
Mike Napoli, Texas Rangers (No)
B.J. Upton, Tampa Bay Rays
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:13 pm
Homer-
Were there neon tomahawks?
I know I got one on my ATL trip during the Mets series…
Reason I ask….it doesn’t exactly show well to the fan at home w/ a neon tomahawk during daylight….
Pretty stupid PR move if you ask me….should’ve went w/ the white tomahawks
Murph
October 25th, 2012
5:13 pm
Braves better get use to us fans being the greatest fans in all of sports cause we thirsty and ready to rumble in 2013
Most rabid 22k fans in the MLB.
Efrim
October 25th, 2012
5:13 pm
10 offers. That makes sense, however I think they left out Angel Pagan. I believe he will get an offer from the Giants.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:14 pm
Ben Lindbergh, don’t know wth he is talking about.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
5:16 pm
Games started in the field for Willingham since ‘09… 115, 106, 94, 118 (not counting DH) avg. 108gm
for Hunter… 114, 143, 134, 127 avg. 130 gm
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:16 pm
Hawks did a white out during the playoffs and it not work out. Stay away from white, IMO
abeeeewright
October 25th, 2012
5:20 pm
scoots – ” This isn’t some radical, unheard-of-and-never-tried-before surgery he’s had, after all.”
Really? Couldn’t tell that from reading this blog.
I thought they might call it Brian McCann surgery if it were successful. Kind of like Tommy John got that surgery named after himself.
BM surgery for short.
Badum. Bing.
abeeeewright
October 25th, 2012
5:31 pm
Assuming 13 players get offers (Lindbergh’s + Pagan) and those 10 players sign with teams that do not have 1-10 picks, the pre-supplemental round (formerly called the first round) will be 17 picks deep.
How are the supplemental picks organized? Could Braves get like the 14th and then 18th picks?
abeeeewright
October 25th, 2012
5:32 pm
Did BM surgery kill the blog?
Is this thing on? Hello?
Murph
October 25th, 2012
5:33 pm
Just read on MLBTR that the Angels aren’t likely to bring Hunter back… they offered him a one year contract at a price way below his $18mil salary, but he’s looking for a 2 year deal.
What’s a fair price for a guy like him? $9-10mil per season?
bravedan
October 25th, 2012
5:40 pm
Ideally speaking;
CF Bourn
LF Prado
RF Heyward
3B Headly
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
abeeeewright
October 25th, 2012
5:40 pm
If Hunter is worth $9M but expects $18M, I bet he doesn’t sign a contract.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:42 pm
i want the best known of the unknown. Need some just mean players that know losing is not a option. Chipper always knew losing was a option. I want ppl that have 4 fingers or one eye that have something to proof to the world. Give me 2 sec with Hamilton and we would drink his 30 million contract up. Don’t need players like that. Don’t need players rep by Boras. Boras going be in jail soon with Rizzo for that BS they bring to the MLB. I want players that take losing is not a option mentality. I want players that did not have a prom date in H.S.. I want the players that make up the drity dozen or the first not the remake but the first of Inglours Bastards movie.
Murph
October 25th, 2012
5:43 pm
Ideally speaking;
CF Bourn
LF Prado
RF Heyward
3B Headly
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
I’d be pretty happy with that. Use the cash to get Bourn, the prospects to get Headley, and all is right with the world.
Problem is that I don’t know that we have what SD would want. Hopefully Wren is at least inquiring. Never hurts to ask.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:44 pm
Murph-
Well, according to fangraphs his WAR was at 5.3 this past season and he was worth 23.6M but this was frankly his best overall year as far as WAR is concerned and while he did play great, he is 37…
As far as value is concerned though, he slots in only behind Heyward, Bourn, and just behind Prado
So I dunno…maybe 2/22
Murph
October 25th, 2012
5:44 pm
I want players that take losing is not a option mentality. I want players that did not have a prom date in H.S.
Wouldn’t not having a prom date make them losers, though? Which is it? You want winners or losers?
DAP
October 25th, 2012
5:44 pm
efrim Prado extension – Four years, $36-38 million. Hope that happens. I think him and Heyward get locked up this offseason.
one can only hope. you gotta figure that a team like the braves, with a stagnant payroll and lots of young talent HAS to operate by locking up young players. they just have to, if they want to sustain success.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:45 pm
^^^ BTW those all were according to Fangraphs
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2012
5:46 pm
Stay away Wren.
And another one goes on the list of players to avoid…
Angel Pagan
Shane Victorino
Michael Bourn
Torii Hunter
Peter Bourjos
Biff
Player(s) to go after:
PTBNL
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:47 pm
Oh and FWIW….
Willingham was slotted at 3.9 OR just slightly above the value placed to one Dan Uggla….
abeeeewright
October 25th, 2012
5:47 pm
I was shocked at the poor return mid-season for Delgado. I would think the Braves could make a package centered on a young pitcher with potential for a solid 3B/LF/CF (maybe they don’t match up for Headley, but someone).
TennesseePaul
October 25th, 2012
5:48 pm
one can only hope. you gotta figure that a team like the braves, with a stagnant payroll and lots of young talent HAS to operate by locking up young players. they just have to, if they want to sustain success.
The player can always say “no.”
Perhaps Efrim’s offer is a nice one. Prado may feel otherwise…
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
5:48 pm
haha 10Paul
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:48 pm
Fangraps war is like a computer trying to beat Bobby Fischer in chess not going happen. take that war stat and stick it give me Bobby Fischer over a computer any day
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:50 pm
TP-
Is that your list?
Or the list people have been incessantly b*tching about….because if its the latter it should be longer….if its the former thats fine…
We can bring back Garret Anderson or BJ Surhoff for you
VaBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
5:52 pm
To me Torii Hunter is gonna be disappointed. I really only see a 1 year deal for him between 4-7 million. Maybe a option for a 2nd year if a team is trying to outbid another. He’s not a fit for us in my opinion. 37 years old, just a solid defender at this point and on the decline with the bat. No thanks.
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:52 pm
Murph scrubs win all day so think having a HS date means you not a loser. Your kind of thinking not needed. Scrubs without dates that watch Bruce Lee took over this country and I want them to play for the Braves.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:52 pm
Homer-
I don’t make the stats…I was just reporting…
And frankly, they may not mean much to you….but I also don’t need a computer and bunch of nerds to tell me that Torii Hunter was REALLY good last year and that Josh Willingham flat out sucks when he’s put in the field
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:53 pm
“Murph scrubs win all day so think having a HS date means you not a loser. Your kind of thinking not needed. Scrubs without dates that watch Bruce Lee took over this country and I want them to play for the Braves.”
UM…..WHAT?!
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:53 pm
Stats don’t measure heart. Bottom line
Murph
October 25th, 2012
5:55 pm
PT, what does Fangraphs say about Bruce Lee’s WAR?
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:57 pm
Stats say Chipper Jones is great but after his last 10 yrs and a play that cost us the WS we all know he was not the ans.. He so weak he had to take time out of the lineup to stop dipping. Weak hearts like him which he cheated on 2 wives show how weak his heart is are not needed for leadership. I want some heart on this team and Bmac flips the bill. He is a killer
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
5:59 pm
Chipper lost us the WS and i can’t except that.
P-Town Brave ©
October 25th, 2012
5:59 pm
Murph-
I’m pretty sure Bruce Lee’s was off the charts….
But his would be listed under NAR or Ninja Above Replacement
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
6:00 pm
I am tired of Lonnie Smith base running BS as a Brave fan and that is the bottom line. Time to get some winners in here
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
6:02 pm
Bruce Lee would of ran to 2nd and throw out the runner at 1st. What Chipper did was a bad joke
Homer of A-town sports
October 25th, 2012
6:03 pm
Chipper said he glad it is over. His heart is a joke. I am only envy of him cause he can bang Hooter girls but he kept the Braves down
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
6:04 pm
Murph
October 25th, 2012
6:04 pm
Chipper lost us the WS and i can’t except that.
I’d expect you to accept, except you are exempt.
VaBravesFan
October 25th, 2012
6:05 pm
Wren said he only wants Premium players, wonder what his definition of one is?
While I think Josh Willingham would be a great fit for us I don’t view him as a premium player and never have. He’ll be 34 years old before the season starts and has had some injury concerns over the years. Average Defender at best, but is RH power bat who could bat cleanup between Heyward and Freeman. Past 8 season’s Willingham has averaged 131 games a season and owns a career 845 OPS. Salary Commitments is only 14 million total for the next 2 seasons. But will have to trade a couple prospects to land him as well. Helluva bargain if he produces close to career norms. Main reason I don’t believe he’s a premium player is his current age and also he’s never played more 145 games in a season.