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Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
11:31 am
Zeke’s my boy, everybody here knows that, but his best use to the Braves is going to be as a trade piece. I’m reconciled to that.
Yes. I’d rather send Spruill to the frozen north (Minnesota) than Delgado. And Salcedo… despite all the write-ups on his potential, is the kid ever going to catch fire? Send him north, too, I say!
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
11:32 am
Zeke’s my boy, everybody here knows that, but his best use to the Braves is going to be as a trade piece. I’m reconciled to that.
No way.
I’m shooting for the best Triple-A rotation in the International League: Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill and Graham.
We’re guaranteed of one trophy next year……..
N8
October 11th, 2012
11:33 am
“I think I may go as Sam Holbrook and when I open the door to treaters just raise my arm and yell
INFIELD FLY….”
My middle son who is 12 (and not a Braves fan – but has the best sarcasm out of all of my kids), pretty much yells INFIELD FLY at every fly ball that’s been hit in the playoffs since then.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
11:33 am
Plus, once again not to compare bc I really don’t want either, but Ross has actually performed in the postseason…so a been there done that….
Willingham as Ive said before gets traded AWAY from teams to help them get closer to the playoffs….
He’s played on a TON of last place teams….
Is that really the guy you want in the cleanup spot?!
SPS
October 11th, 2012
11:33 am
I’d like to see Pastornicky play some outfield in winter ball. He has no future at short, but is a solid athlete and has some potential with his bat. Plus he is cheap. Nothing to lose with that experiment.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:36 am
Ross has hit lefties much better than Josh, and is 3 years younger. No top prospects required in a trade. His salary may be about the same, or just a bit more than Willingham’s.
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
11:37 am
I’m shooting for the best Triple-A rotation in the International League: Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill and Graham.
That is a heckuva rotation, though I’d like to subtract Delgado and plunk him into the Atlanta rotation in place of Mr. 5.2 innings per start.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2012
11:38 am
I’d rather send Spruill to the frozen north (Minnesota) than Delgado.
Probably have to send both. A high-ceiling kid plus an innings-eater, that’s not bad. Maybe add some lower prospects from both sides as balance.
Some of any attraction due a trade package depends on the Twins’ own view of their horizon of contention. So, that one might look good or it might not.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:38 am
.300/.347/.545/.893
That’s Cody Ross’ career line at Turner Field. Better than Willingham
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:39 am
in the exact same number of PAs, I might add
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:40 am
Delgado alone for Willingham is too much…
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
11:42 am
So why can’t Constanza get on base at this level? He would be a cheap option on the bench at least for base running if not C/LF relief. Is it because he always has 2 Ks to start an at bat, then has to try to slap his way on? Is he too busy licking the bat? What?
He should be able to get on with a drag bunt at least once in a while, just like Mikey forgot how to do this year too.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
11:43 am
That’s Cody Ross’ career line at Turner Field. Better than Willingham
Any other meaningless stats you want to drop on us?
Delgado alone for Willingham is too much…
Uh oh. I’m seeing a trend with hatred for Willingham and Hanson. I hope this will not continue.
TennesseePaul
October 11th, 2012
11:43 am
That’s Cody Ross’ career line at Turner Field. Better than Willingham
Too bad, if the team signs him, he won’t get a chance to hit against Braves pitching at Turner Field…. otherwise that might mean something.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:44 am
Jeff R – I’ve always been up on Delgado who might well turn out a bettr MLB pitcher than Teheran, but it might interest you to know that he has average 5.1 IP in his Atlanta starts.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
11:44 am
Don’t like Ross….and didn’t thumb to nose us last year when we talked about it? Rather play in Bean Town.
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
11:45 am
Probably have to send both [Spruill and Delgado]. A high-ceiling kid plus an innings-eater, that’s not bad. Maybe add some lower prospects from both sides as balance.
That would be a lot – too much, IMO – for Willingham.
cricket
October 11th, 2012
11:45 am
.300/.347/.545/.893
That’s Cody Ross’ career line at Turner Field. Better than Willingham
i don’t think MLB will allow them to face braves pitching at Turner Field if braves sign either one of them..
ok, that was my last one. i can easily see this someone quoting Ross’s 40-yard time being better that Willingham’s as a big positive. i don’t see Ross signing here and unfortunately, chances of trading for Willingham are also not very good IMO.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:46 am
Actually, it might not be quite that many IP per start – I figured it based on all his IP and he made a couple of relief appearances.
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
11:46 am
Jeff R – I’ve always been up on Delgado who might well turn out a bettr MLB pitcher than Teheran, but it might interest you to know that he has average 5.1 IP in his Atlanta starts.
Ah! But he’s a kid learning the ropes, Lew, versus Hanson who’s in a world of hurt right now.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
11:47 am
That’s didn’t “he” thumb to nose us…
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
11:47 am
Also pretty important to see what Minnesota needs in terms of their system, if they are to sell. They actually have four Top 100 prospects in OF’s Aaron Hicks, Oswaldo Arcia, Miguel Sano(not a 3B) and 2B/OF Eddie Rosario. They need pitching badly.
I’m in the camp that still feels Teheran has a higher ceiling than Delgado. I just have a hard time trading Teheran for any player in their mid-30’s. Chase Headley? Where do I sign?
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:47 am
Ross reportedly already turned down a multi year Braves’ deal last winter.
Gary O.
October 11th, 2012
11:48 am
A Braves mention/criticism from Mark DeRosa (currently with the Nationals).
From the 4 letter network.com;
But no more than 25 feet away, in that same locker room, another veteran of many Octobers, utility man Mark DeRosa, had a different take. He’s now played for five teams that made it this far — the Braves, Cubs, Cardinals, Giants and Nationals. And after seeing what he’s seen, after living what he’s lived, he no longer believes the way to go, at times like this, is just to “do what we’ve done all year.”
“I’m different,” said DeRosa, who has battled injuries and got left off the roster for this series. “A lot of people go: ‘We’ve got to play the same way we’ve played all year.’ Coming through the Braves’ organization, and seeing us win all those division titles and not advance far in the postseason in the times I was there, I always felt like that was the mentality that we took: Just play it like any other series during the regular season..
“But I like putting the added pressure on and [embracing] the finality of it, the football mentality of it. So that’ll be my little speech to the guys tomorrow:”.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:48 am
Uh oh. I’m seeing a trend with hatred for Willingham and Hanson. I hope this will not continue.
No hatred. I like Willingham, and would be okay with him for the right price. Delgado is not the right price in my mind.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:49 am
He’s a kid learning the ropes? You mean as opposed to Hanson who is ancient and knows it all already?
JoeFan
October 11th, 2012
11:49 am
Would not be surprised to see Wren go cheap in CF as he waits to see if Cuunigham can fill that slot. LF may be where he spends to fill the need for a RH power bat. Still think the Braves will bid for Greinke and if successful move Hanson plus others in a package to fill other needs (bench, catcher….) Braves have several picthers ready for at chance at the major league level Gilmartin, Delgado, Graham, Teheran, so they have plenty of flexibilty to go with the extra cash to drastically improve the big club.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
11:49 am
Ok….so my last blog post was eaten because I made a reference to OPS and prostitutes…..
Anyways, my point was that for all the reasons that some are wrong to play LF for the Braves in 2013, Shane Victorino is perfect to play the OF somewhere for the Braves in 2013….
- He crushes LHP
- He hits outstanding at Turner
- He hits power pitchers well
- He crushes w/ runner at 3b and < 2 outs
It just makes way too much sense given his positives and negatives…..he fits REALLY well.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
11:50 am
Ross reportedly already turned down a multi year Braves’ deal last winter.
Must have told him he was getting the lucky locker…can’t blame him….Atlanta can make you forget how to hit.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2012
11:50 am
That would be a lot – too much, IMO – for Willingham.
Does it appear to you that Zeke Spruill will pitch meaningful innings for the Braves in the next two years? Or ever?
Does it appear that both Delgado and Teheran will appear as mainstays in the ML rotation in the next couple of years?
I gotta go with “No” on both. That makes them trade currency, in my view.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
11:51 am
Gary-
Not surprising in the least….
That was always my problem w/ the Bobby Cox way of thinking….
Always felt like it made them sound like morons for stating “its just like any other game”….
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:52 am
Fly – Never even thought of that. It would make a difference.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
11:53 am
Joe-
Good points there….
And I mean cmon….does everyone really think Frank is gonna tip his full hand as to who he likes and what he really truly wants to see come out of this offseason….
Doing that you lose leverage
reckingball
October 11th, 2012
11:54 am
I hope that Mr. Wren will not trade Delgado.
If he keeps Hanson, I hope that Hanson starts off good, and the Braves will trade him, when he has a some value.
Whoever he gets for position players, it would be nice if they can hit a little with RISP.
what of it?
October 11th, 2012
11:55 am
I think we can find an adequate replacement for a year if we dump McCann. He’s not pulling his weight at $11.5 mil w/ a .230 avg and he’s been in steady decline for two years now. yadier molina only makes $7 mil and he’s twice the catcher
I think Victorino would be a steal, and he finally won’t be snagging our homeruns any more. Someone will greatly overpay for Bourn. i just hope it’s not us.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:55 am
I don’t see the stat as being entirely meaningless. I mean, over the course of 30 games, there should be some kind of trend emerging, right? Or did all Braves pitchers over the years just own Willingham, and Ross owned all Braves pitchers over the years.
The Hanson situation is the same as the JJ one last year to me. He is injured, and in JJs case finished the last 2 season injured, and due for a raise. I wanted JJ traded last year, it didn’t happen. I’m a little more optimistic about Hanson getting better, but there isn’t room for him in Atlanta.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
11:58 am
That would be a lot – too much, IMO – for Willingham.
Wow, guys. Zeke Spruill and Ed Salcedo? Too much?
Some of you have gotten very, very spoiled. Last prospect trade in the offseason that “hurt” was for Big Game Javy. Lots of cries for trading Tyler Flowers.
I can’t remember the last one we’ve made where it hurt. Tex?
I think it’s time for one of those……can’t fleece everyone.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
11:59 am
I’m a little more optimistic about Hanson getting better, but there isn’t room for him in Atlanta.
…and unless he can change that delivery (I don’t think he can) he needs to be gone ASAP.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
11:59 am
Might surprise you to know that starting in 2013 and for the next six years, Yadier Moina has a contract calling for $14 mil, $15mil , $15 mil, $14 mil $14 mil and $15 mil per year.
DAP
October 11th, 2012
11:59 am
scootsWatch it, DAP, or I’ll dress up as a tea partier for Halloween and scare your kids out of their education
ha!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
11:59 am
I gotta go with “No” on both. That makes them trade currency, in my view.
I’d hope that for Delgado at least, we can do better than a 35 yr old slugger.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
In in the offseason, I guess JD Drew and Eli Marrerro for Marquis and Waino was the last one that hurt.
Dan Uggla certainly didn’t.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
TOBF-
You mean kinda like someone trying to tell me that K rate is meaningless even though the Braves struck out at 30% rate w/ a runner on 3b this past year….or a 23% rate w/ runners on….
Somehow I am thinking if we put it in play we would’ve had much better results….
Oh wait….we did….when we put it in play, we hit 40+ points higher….
Imagine that….
Jean
October 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
These are the same stupid reasons the Braves win during the regular season and can’t win the Championship. Get some well known players and get rid of the up starting bunch, I hate being disappointed by the Braves every years. It is good to win games but the Braves always manage to have one team that shuts the dorr on them. Come on mgmt get real..
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
Jim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
NO on McCann!!!! A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY. He has been paid well for what he has done for the franchise, whatever that means.
IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE! he is a POOR defensive catcher and a double play machine.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
Efrim-
Don’t forget Porky Ray King in that deal too
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
Wow, guys. Zeke Spruill and Ed Salcedo? Too much?
That’s a good trade in my opinion. To trade one of the top 4 arms is too much.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
I’d hope that for Delgado at least, we can do better than a 35 yr old slugger.
Newsflash, son. Randall hasn’t won a Cy, yet. He isn’t even the Braves’ best pitching prospect, fercrissake. Just how much, exactly, do you think you can get for the kid?
Mercy.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
I’d hope that for Delgado at least, we can do better than a 35 yr old slugger.
How about for 2 months of a 36 year old starting pitcher? Cuz, ya know, that actaully just happened.
Just to give you a sense of where Frank Wren and the organization’s head is at.
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
Shaun-
So you’re not in the least bit concerned that with a runner on 3b, we struck out more than HALF the time…..?!
I seriously hope you’re joking!
Otherwise maybe you can explain to ANYONE in the free world how a K rate doesn’t matter when we did that and hit .231 w/ RISP….
Or is this where I get another one of your bullsh*t that stat is meaningless diatribes?!
I’m concerned with the Braves getting good hitters. I hope that’s what they focus on, not what hitters do in this particular situation or that one. Focusing too much on that stuff is like focusing on a team’s record on Mondays. Overall performance means more because a lot of times it’s just coincidence when a guy doesn’t perform with RISP, on Mondays, or in other situations. If a team focuses too much on situational hitting instead of overall hitting when they are trying to acquire offense, they could be in trouble.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
Yes, well known players will solve all of our problems. Why hasn’t someone thought of that before now?
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
Newsflash Grandma….
Neither has Teheran….
Nor has anyone else on our pitching staff…..not even Hudson
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
He’s a kid learning the ropes? You mean as opposed to Hanson who is ancient and knows it all already?
Hanson’s health and his awful mechanics are big issues, Lew. Not saying Hanson can’t get past either (in fact, I hope he does). But Hanson’s going to have to exhibit a lot of discipline this winter, a lot of determination to make fundamental changes. Will he do that? Jury’s still out.
Besides, he’s a Boras client. If Hanson does right himself, his days are numbered in Atlanta.
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:06 pm
Jim, so who do you have in mind to replace McCann? And are you willing to bet that McCann’s performance in 2012 wasn’t primarily the result of injury, when you have an option that would be below market value if that was the case and he bounces back to something reasonably close to what he was before?
Zing
October 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
DOB:
Is Delgado regarded more highly than Teheran at this point, given the two most recent seasons each had?
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
Rooting hard for Reds and the A’s tonight.
I’d rather not see the Cardinals or Giants win the World Series this year.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
Posting it seven times doesn’t make it any more factual.
amorelle
October 11th, 2012
12:08 pm
Pagan will be cheaper than Bourn or Tampa Bay free agent B.J. Upton, – well, you get what you pay for. I’m asking this, not snarky. Who was the last GOOD leadoff hitter we had before Bourn? I don’t want him to go. If they have $95 million, let them make him an offer.
I’ve been a defender of Uggla because he used to murder us when he was in Florida but he’s like dead space when he comes up to bat now; you never know what to expect but lately you kinda do. I know he CAN be good but basically, he hasn’t been good enough.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2012
12:08 pm
Posting it seven times doesn’t make it any more factual.
No, but it is a record.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:08 pm
Although the only teams that would really bother me winning the World Series are in the NL except for the Reds. Don’t care if any of the existing AL teams win it, even the Yanks.
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
Jeff R, I think it’s pretty likely Hanson is determined to be a better pitcher than he’s been in over the last year or so. I think the issue is that injuries and pains have taken their toll on him more so than discipline and determination.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
But Shaun….
When you’re failing that much, isn’t it indicative of overall performance?! :scratch:
Good hitters that fit BETTER w/ this team are guys who put the ball in play….
Another 2 guys who strike out 120+ times adding to the 3 we already have is not a recipe for success….
For overall success….the Cardinals seem to be doing pretty well there Shaun….and its no secret they have the best TEAM batting average over the last few years….thats BATTING AVERAGE….not OBP…
But 40 points or so on the batting average by putting it in play could mean a much different outlook on a season if you actually have guys who do that.
Thus my peak interest in Shane Victorino
amorelle
October 11th, 2012
12:10 pm
Forgot – we can’t get rid of McCann – he’s the leader now that Chipper is gone. Give him a chance to get well. A bit of loyalty would be good.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
12:10 pm
How about for 2 months of a 36 year old starting pitcher? Cuz, ya know, that actaully just happened.
Just to give you a sense of where Frank Wren and the organization’s head is at.
That trade was horrible. I hope Frank has wisened up and won’t be doing that again.
Newsflash, son. Randall hasn’t won a Cy, yet. He isn’t even the Braves’ best pitching prospect, fercrissake. Just how much, exactly, do you think you can get for the kid?
Mercy.
He’s considered our 2nd best, but in terms of results, he’s #1. He’s pitched decently at the MLB level. Teheran struggled in AAA.
Delgado is a special prospect in my mind. I’d better be getting a good young player in their prime if I’m trading him. Willingham isn’t that.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:11 pm
scoots, not that we match up with them or he is even on the move, how about Hunter Pence? $13 million for one year and then a free agent.
Just thinking out loud. Could be a guy that no one has thought of that comes out of nowhere to be available.
Lew
October 11th, 2012
12:11 pm
scoots – Careful there – now you’ll have other gunslingers trying to beat the record.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
12:12 pm
I still have hope for Uggs…might even buy me a jersey since Chipper is gone.
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
He’s considered our 2nd best, but in terms of results, he’s #1. He’s pitched decently at the MLB level. Teheran struggled in AAA.
Delgado is a special prospect in my mind. I’d better be getting a good young player in their prime if I’m trading him. Willingham isn’t that.
If it will make you feel better, Randall Delgado is no longer a prospect and Julio Teheran is.
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
amorelle, Bourn is unlikely to be all that great a leadoff hitter over the course of his next contract. He probably won’t be terrible but defense is where he is going to add a ton of value to a team. And I can’t see that it’s wise for the Braves to pay Bourn like he is a great hitter.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
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October 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
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amorelle
October 11th, 2012
12:14 pm
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NO MORE FREDI
October 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
Admit it Braves fans…
1. Would Chipper play if hurt like Jeter? NO.
2. Would Fredi pull a struggling star for a pinch hitter like Gerardi did putting the team first over a player? NO.
Braves fan for life but changes need to be made here before anymore banners go up. Chipper was soft and Fredi does not have what it takes to bring a championship here.
amorelle
October 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
My first post got eaten for some reason I think.
Question: WHO was our last GOOD lead-off hitter before Michael Bourn – you know, the kind that the visiting announcers talk about what a threat he is? I can’t see one good reason not to keep him. I CAN see a reason not to keep Uggla, who although he creamed us every time we played the Marlins, was mainy a guessing game every time he came to bat the last two seasons.
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
Jeff R, I think it’s pretty likely Hanson is determined to be a better pitcher than he’s been in over the last year or so. I think the issue is that injuries and pains have taken their toll on him more so than discipline and determination.
You may be right, Shaun.
DAP
October 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
no more fredi 1. Would Chipper play if hurt like Jeter? NO.
2. Would Fredi pull a struggling star for a pinch hitter like Gerardi did putting the team first over a player? NO.
its so weird that you are saying that because both of those things did happen in the last week of the braves’ season. chipper played 6 straight games for the fans in atlanta, despitethe aches, and was even hurting diring the playoff game. mccann got benched in favor of david ross in the one game playoff.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
Efrim-
I mentioned him a couple months back….
Only thing, he’s a poor CF and never played a game in his career in LF….
And everyone I talked to from Phily said he really struggled when Utley and Howard were down and he was asked to be The Man….they soured on him and dealt him and he hasn’t exactly done anything to redeem himself in SF , hitting .219 w/ them w/ a .671 OPS….
So he’d be a choice….but not sure for $13M and on verge of FA….itd be an overpay IMO….
He is pretty steady career wise and even v LHP/RHP and Home/Road….
But frankly, I’m not sure, he just bugs me….maybe its the way he goes about things or swings or fields or throws…..very unorthodox….
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
Admit it Braves fans…
Any of us can admit anything we want about Fredi, but as long as he’s got Braves’ execs in his corner, he’s managing the Braves. Right now, Fredi’s managing the Braves.
Fly On The Wall
October 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
Question: WHO was our last GOOD lead-off hitter before Michael Bourn –
The Flying Furcal.
amorelle
October 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Sorry for the multiposts – page is moving faster than I realized.
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
its so weird that you are saying that because both of those things did happen in the last week of the braves’ season. chipper played 6 straight games for the fans in atlanta, despitethe aches, and was even hurting diring the playoff game. mccann got benched in favor of david ross in the one game playoff.
Chipper was looking awfully pained in the last week or so.
single white dove
October 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
I would go with a wright/pagan move and not worry too much on the catcher ordeal..
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:21 pm
DAP-
True, but comparing an obviously injured McCann being sat in favor of Ross to a supposedly healthy ARod being pulled in the 9th inning of a 1-run game are apples to oranges IMO….
That said, I am not nor have ever been a Fredi guy BUT I gave him full credit for how he managed the last month of the season….
Like I said, its as if they had a meeting about his job security and he managed like his *ss was on fire….
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:22 pm
P-Town Brave, a recipe for success, offensively, is getting on-base and slugging. If all that is equal, baserunning is equal, I’ll take lower strikeouts. But some good offensive teams strike out a lot, some don’t strike out a lot. All good offensive teams get on base quite often and slug quite well. That’s what to focus on.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:23 pm
Jeff-
Last week?
More closer to last MONTH….
I mean he did hit .231 w/ a .295 SLG the last month of the season….had the 1 big HR and then apparently checked out
Jeff R
October 11th, 2012
12:25 pm
P-Town Brave ©
I don’t think Chipper checked out. I think the guy was hurting. Wasn’t even running up the first base line; more of a trot. I think Chipper pushed it, but his tank was near empty.
what of it?
October 11th, 2012
12:30 pm
Lew – re: molina. it doesn’t surprise me at all. He’s worth it and unlike mccann he’s been getting steadily better while dominating McCann in defensive ability
Efrim
October 11th, 2012
12:30 pm
I could see a scenario where the Giants pay big for Josh Hamilton this offseason. They have a lot of money coming off of the books next year and a big need for some outfield pop. Spent $130 million in salary this year and 118 last year.
DAP
October 11th, 2012
12:31 pm
Question: WHO was our last GOOD lead-off hitter before Michael Bourn –
martin prado.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2012
12:31 pm
Shaun-
The Cardinals were 13th out of 16 in the league in strikeouts…..as in 4th LOWEST…yet they outnumbered the rest of the teams by 100 PA…
In fact, they had an entire players worth (185) hits more than the Braves did…..
Only Washington and Arizona finished in the top half in getting on base but also finished in top half in strikeouts….
Lets just say it for face value….the Braves offense was BAD….and we need professional hitters….
And by that, it doesn’t mean guys who hit in the .250’s….
Shaun
October 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
1. Would Chipper play if hurt like Jeter? NO.
Jeter left the game last night because he got hurt.
2. Would Fredi pull a struggling star for a pinch hitter like Gerardi did putting the team first over a player? NO.
Hopefully the Braves’ front office, Fredi and most other teams would realize that Rodriguez is a star in name only these days, because of injuries and age (Not because of being un-clutch. If that were the case, he wouldn’t have pretty good overall numbers in the postseason), and they wouldn’t be hitting him high in the lineup. And if he came up in a key situation and the match-up was more favorable to a player on the bench, they would make the move.
jj
October 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
Loyalty to Mac? He got paid well for his services and this is a business. When you stop getting it done there is no place for loyalty. His option is 13 million thats loyalty. His trade value is down and he has eye problems, slow and don’t block the ball are plate well, can’t throw anyone out anymore, bad knees, bad shoulder, fat,etc.
Leader? How do you judge a leader?
Now blast away..
BravePack(FreeFan)
October 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
It’s really sad that the discussions of OF’s fans want are centered around Willingham, a 34 year old who’s injury prone and not so good defensively, and Ross and guy who can’t find a home for more than 2 years, a journeyman if you will. These 2 names are certainly not the names that come to my mind when Wren said he would be going for impact players this offseason. JW and CR are not impact players the Braves need on this team. We are losing a HOF, albeit one way past his prime but still a presence in the line-up and more than likely our CF and lead off hitter. I’m not sure but I don’t think those 2 are gonna sell tickets and after the way the season ended and losing Chipper that may be on the agenda with $ to spend.
Like I said I can’t imagine what Wren has up his sleeve but I can assure you it is not JW and probably not CR, and I’m not a big fan of Pagan either…sorry DOB. I normally agree with a lot of your thoughts but I can’t agree with this one to improve the team. If I had to guess I could see a trade for an OF, maybe someone like Justin Upton, Ellsbury, Gordon, or longshot Headley and keep Prado in LF, or someone no one here has even mentioned yet knowing Wren. I can really see Wren trading away some pitching prospects for the OF and then signing someone like Grienke or trading for Shields. Whatever happens I think it will be much bigger than Willingham and Ross.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Cody Ross vs. RHP career- .253/.312/.415/.727
Martin Prado vs. RHP career- .300/.341/.431/.772
Aside from batting average (and consequently, OBP) those 2 guys hit roughly the same vs. RHP. Not sure why some believe that Ross is more of a platoon player.