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Jay Dubu
October 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
Can we just get the World Series over so that the Braves can start work on the 2013 Roster!!!?
cricket
October 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
Who do you want at team doctor?
with those moves, braves will need a platoon of team doctors too..
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
So you’re not ok with this in the 2 hole:
.287 .351 .436 .787
But say its not a big deal to hit .169 over multiple years in the playoffs…..
What criteria is it some of you guys go by…..beer foam and funyons?!
phil
October 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
Gary Sizemore?
Instead, trade Prado for Harper and sign him for 22 years, deferring all compensation for 5 years after that.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
I want to go after Gary Sizemore in the OF and Placido Polanco for 3rd base.
2005 called, they want their wish list back.
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
If Bryce Harper even comes close to being the player everyone thinks he will be, considering he’ll hit free agency at, what, 26, he could get a $250M-$300M contract.
Heyward had a better rookie year. Guess they’ll have to give him his own team to own, then.
Jay Dubu
October 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
If the Braves aquire a player of Pagan’s status, it will be via trade where they can control cost for the next year or two. If they sign a Pagan type out of free agency, it’s going to cost $10+ per season at least.
phil
October 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Placido Domingo still kickin?
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Heyward had a better rookie year. Guess they’ll have to give him his own team to own, then.
Geez, Posey might get his own team full of Harpers!
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
I think they will get one player who costs 10 mil or more, and trade for another cheaper player
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
Geez, Posey might get his own team full of Harpers!
Posey was too old as a rookie to be conferred demi-god status.
Gary O.
October 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
Shaun,
Chase Headley or Alex Gordon would be a dream come true..
You’ll probably disagree, but I don’t think the Braves will go after another lefty in Alex Gordon. We already have Heyward, Freeman, and BMac (assuming his option is picked up) as left handers, not to mention Bourn if he is resigned.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:19 pm
So you’re not ok with this in the 2 hole:
.287 .351 .436 .787
Yes. Absolutely nothing wrong with a .351 OBP and .436 SLG in the 2 hole. I would be okay with that.
But say its not a big deal to hit .169 over multiple years in the playoffs…..
“Multiple years”? What exactly does that mean? Multiple years could be 46 games. You want to judge any player on any 46 games, especially games when he’s probably facing better pitching than he faces in regular season competition?
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:19 pm
Placido Domingo still kickin?
I dunno, but Enrico Pallazzo would make a hell of an addition to the team. Especially in case Reggie Jackson tries to shoot the queen during a game.
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:19 pm
FSU boy, college guys are old farts
Ward
October 19th, 2012
4:22 pm
Hello everyone! Cards sucess = Steroids…….Wright it down. I was right one the Melky, and you have to be crazy to believe in the Cards now. Something just smells in all this, and who is their hitting coach? I’ll leave it at that for now. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tonight…..
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
When the guys continuously sh*ts the bed in the postseason yes….
What do you think ARod is getting sh*t for his regular season…
F no he’s not….
He’s getting sh*t because he’s flat out sucked in the playoffs….S-U-C-K-E-D
Sadly, guys like Cano, Granderson, and Swisher have been worse….and Swisher has been worse for years….
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
Posey was too old as a rookie to be conferred demi-god status.
I realized it as soon as I typed it. Should have gone with Trout. I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH TROUT!!!!!
(sobbing)
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Swisher, a player with an onomatopoeic name…SWISH
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
I think they will get one player who costs 10 mil or more, and trade for another cheaper player
Yes, I agree. When have they ever spent the full amount that was perceived to be available? Even in 2008/2009 – they didn’t spend it all and optioned for Garrett Anderson for LF.
And I do not think both the players acquired will be in their 30’s. I see one younger player being acquired – that’s always been Wren’s deal, even if we already have three 23 year olds in the opening day lineup. Perhaps not another one at that age, but still a relatively younger player.
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:25 pm
gotta get there B4 what they do there means anything
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH TROUT!!!!!
Yes. It’s much easier for me to believe that Trout might command half the money in all of Creation when he hits FA (if he ever does). Another year like this one and maybe the Angels just give him the bank and tell him to pick a number of years.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Besides, why would anyone in their right mind want to give Swisher a 9 figure multi year deal….
Guy wants Werth money, but is nowhere near the player Werth is, especially come crunch time….
FYI, Werth OPS’d .960 over his playoff career….thus what makes him worth the $
Swisher .589
Since when was it about just making it to October?!
That guy isn’t even a focal point on his OWN team…..why would anyone think making him one would be such a great idea, especially when he’s an absolute CHOKER come October
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Gary O., any platoon disadvantage to having Alex Gordon would be more than made up for by the fact that he’s one of the better players in the game. The reason the Braves probably won’t get him is because of the cost.
Heyward had a better rookie year. Guess they’ll have to give him his own team to own, then.
I’m not sure what that has to do with what everyone thinks Harper is capable of. Pat Listach had a pretty good rookie year.
P-Town Brave, what is the criteria for someone who has a problem with a .351 OBP and .436 SLG in the 2 hole and is overly concerned about a player’s performance in 46 games?
And I missed who you are referring to who is at .351/.436. I’m not sure if I would be okay because that is not enough information. But if you told me a player was going to on-base .351 and slug .436 and I had to bat him 2nd, I would be just fine with that.
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
Since when was it about just making it to October?!…P-Town
its always been about making it to October, that’s what sets baseball apart from all the other sports
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
Ryan Spilborghs is another one the Braves should look at
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
Shaun-
That is in 2100 PA as well….
Didn’t realize I had to give you a name just so you can figure out how to change your argument to suggest its bad or wrong
And please tell me you didn’t just compare Bryce Harper OR Jason Heyward to Pat Listach, a guy who hit a WHOPPING 1 HR his rookie year and 5 in his entire total….
Color me unimpressed there
HooRah
October 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Spilborghs? the guy who hit 210 his last seasin in Coors?
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Nolie-
What I mean there is since when was just making it good enough…..
Maybe some of us would actually like to WIN once we get there….
A guy w/ a .169 career average, low OPS, and propensity to choke in the playoffs won’t get us to where we need to be.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
Spilborghs
I don’t care who you are….that there is FUNNY!
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
I’m not sure what that has to do with what everyone thinks Harper is capable of.
Sure, you do. Part of the allure for Harper is his age (if he’s this good now, what about when he’s whatever?), and that’s an easy trap to fall in. I was only pointing out that Heyward, hurt, had better offensive production at just as tender an age. Thus, if Harper might be worth astronomical dollars at FA (based on one year of performance and projection), it’s only reasonable to assume that Heyward (using the same basis for comparison) would be worth even more.
Plus, I was making a joke, which is the important part.
The sniffer
October 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
How about Alex Rodriguez to replace Chipper? I am sure the Yankees would pick up 20 of his 25 million and Alex could take Chipper’s place chasing all the Atl women.
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
Wren’s going to get all defense, speed oriented and trade for Dexter Fowler for LF and sign Victorino for CF…………………………
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
Wren’s going to get all defense, speed oriented and trade for Dexter Fowler for LF and sign Victorino for CF
Well, at least Simmons will be happy, since he won’t have to hit 8, LOL.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
October 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
DOB Spoke with someone today familiar with the McCann situation who said the catcher was a “tough guy” to be able to play at all with that torn labrum.
Boy, I’ll bet. No one cann ever question his toughness again…
Or, they shouldn’t. I’m sure someone will at some point…
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
Wren’s going to get all defense, speed oriented and trade for Dexter Fowler for LF and sign Victorino for CF
If those two players are on the same team, Fowler is the one playing CF.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
When the guys continuously sh*ts the bed in the postseason yes….
What do you think ARod is getting sh*t for his regular season…
F no he’s not….
He’s getting sh*t because he’s flat out sucked in the playoffs….S-U-C-K-E-D
Sadly, guys like Cano, Granderson, and Swisher have been worse….and Swisher has been worse for years….
Do you understand the concept of sample size? Not trying to be condescending, honestly. Just wondering. It may come across that way but I apologize in advance.
Multiple years doesn’t constitute a large enough sample size to judge a player if those multiple years are only 40-something games.
Also, Alex Rodriguez has been pretty solid in the postseason: .263/.369/.464 in 75 games and 326 PA.
I don’t that anyone is advocating a Werth-type deal for Swisher. I’m just stating that he’s a solid player. No reason to take the argument there unless you are trying to twist it to improve your position.
And, yes, cost would be my major concern with the Braves going after Swisher. I have no problem with his performance and neither should anyone else.
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
Has there ever been an above average defender who played CF in Coors Field? Can we rely on the +/- or UZR for a player that plays half of his games in that sort of a park with huge alleys? Not saying we can’t, just not sure about it.
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
That is what they said when Nate Mclouth, Kelly Johnson, and Adam Laroche but once they left Atlanta and got a new scene all them have had some success. Yes I give Ryan Spilborghs, Placido Polanco, and Grady Sizemore a contract.
ga gator
October 19th, 2012
4:42 pm
Get rid of Ugla and move Prado to 2b, then pursue David Wright for 3b, offer Bourne a deal he will refuse and then go for Torii Hunter and bring up whoever wins the job from the best of the Brave minor league prospects for the other OF spot.
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:42 pm
If those two players are on the same team, Fowler is the one playing CF.
That’s the thing, I believe according to +/- and UZR, Fowler is a pretty terrible defensive CF. I think, although I could be wrong.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
If we want defense and speed, Bourjos.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
October 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Efrim, after their nine inning debacle of a post season I think it would be wise for Wren to concentrate on DEFENSE.
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:46 pm
That’s the thing, I believe according to +/- and UZR, Fowler is a pretty terrible defensive CF. I think, although I could be wrong.
Yeah, you are right. I actually thought the exact opposite until I looked up the numbers. I wonder how much the ballpark plays a factor in his ratings (Coors being larger than most parks, not to mention balls not carrying the same as they do in thicker air)?
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
4:46 pm
I would also like to see the Braves sign back Matt Diaz.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:47 pm
That is in 2100 PA as well….
2100 PA is a pretty good sample.
Didn’t realize I had to give you a name just so you can figure out how to change your argument to suggest its bad or wrong
I’m saying that just throwing out a player’s past stats without anything else (age, skill set, etc.) doesn’t give us enough information about whether we’d want that player going forward.
And please tell me you didn’t just compare Bryce Harper OR Jason Heyward to Pat Listach, a guy who hit a WHOPPING 1 HR his rookie year and 5 in his entire total….
No. You obviously missed the point. The point is the player with the better rookie year doesn’t necessarily mean that player will have the better career.
ncscoots, pay attention here. Projecting a player’s future is more than just looking at what he did his rookie year. Yes, that matters. Any information that’s out there matters. But just because one guy was better as a rookie or in any single season doesn’t mean that guy is the better bet for a career. That point seems so obvious that I’m surprised I have to make it, amongst seemingly hardcore baseball fans.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
October 19th, 2012
4:47 pm
I really like Bourjos. Od course I also admire the Angels organization too.
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
I see you guys punching these CF names out there, and it amazes me that folks think these are better options than picking up some 5-WAR pitcher, instead. I gasp, slack-jawed.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
Then you obviously haven’t seen all the reports that Swisher is looking for at least 6 years and over 100 mil….
And what the F are you talking about…..you’re telling me 200 PA isn’t a big enough sample size….
Ya know Shaun, most teams don’t make the playoffs every year and most players don’t play in all of them by their 30th birthday…..
200 PA is good enough for me when the guy has 5000 in the league, its good enough for the entire state of NY, and its good enough for most sports writers and some on this blog….
The guy has 6 years of playoff experience and nothing has changed…..not one bit….
So take that small sample size of yours, turn that sumb*tch sideways….
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
Efrim, after their nine inning debacle of a post season I think it would be wise for Wren to concentrate on DEFENSE.
I’m sure he will, but it’s worth noting that during the regular season this year the Braves had the highest rated defense in the major leagues. By a pretty significant margin. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but I do remember that 1, 2, and 3 were Atlanta, LA Angels, and Oakland, respectively, and that Atlanta’s “score” was twice as good as whatever Oakland’s was.
Jay Dubu
October 19th, 2012
4:48 pm
I don’t think Swisher fits well with the Braves.
They wanted to get him a few years back, so they may well go after him again…but the last time they were finally able to get a player that they had coveted in years past, he was not very good.
That was Linebrink.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
Scoots-
Yes….make sure you pay attention there….
Its all about Shaun and his “small sample size”
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
after their nine inning debacle of a post season I think it would be wise for Wren to concentrate on DEFENSE.
Weren’t they the best defensive team in the league? Unfortunately, anything can happen in a one game sample and the Braves have clearly angered the baseball gods and had rotten, terrible luck since 1995.
DAP
October 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
efrim That’s the thing, I believe according to +/- and UZR, Fowler is a pretty terrible defensive CF.
thats correct, and here s a serious question about that…his UZR numbers vary wildly. how can a players defense really swing nearly 20 points season to season? and how can someone be -10 in CF but +10 in RF/ thats a big difference too.
what im saying is, those UZR numbers are fishy. i dont put alot of stock in them.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
RC-
Well, its pretty telling that they could sweep GG awards in the OF and would have a winner at SS if he played enough games to get the votes
ncscoots
October 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
pay attention here.
Bite me.
TennesseePaul
October 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
Enter your comments here
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:50 pm
I see you guys punching these CF names out there, and it amazes me that folks think these are better options than picking up some 5-WAR pitcher, instead. I gasp, slack-jawed.
Hey, you know where I stand with that. Craig Gentry in CF, Prado at leadoff and James Shields as the opening day starter. I’m game.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
The Nationals’ bullpen might be overhauled this offseason, Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post writes. Sean Burnett will likely hit free agency and Tyler Clippard could be traded. The Nationals figure to tender Tom Gorzelanny a contract and should have interest in re-signing Mike Gonzalez. Kilgore wonders if Ryan Madson could be a free agent target for Washington.
Wonder what they’d want for Clippard, if they’d even trade him to us. He is ARB1, but could be our power RHP in the bullpen.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
I love the critical thinking and logic skills of some.
Me: Bryce Harper is probably going to make a lot of money if he comes anywhere close to living up to his promises.
Someone else: Heyward had a better rookie year than Harper, so Heyward is going to make even more.
Me: Well, Pat Listach had a good rookie year. Rookie years don’t necessarily tell us much about careers.
Someone else: Oh!! You just compared Listach to Heyward and Harper! Gotcha!
What? When did you learn to read English?
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
Never really been a fan of Fowler….
Always have felt like he’s below replacement anywhere but Coors
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
This isn’t the number I saw, but it’s similar enough and arrives at the same conclusion. Sort the chart by “UZR/150″.
Atlanta’s defense was crazy good last year.
DAP
October 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
p-town you obviously haven’t seen all the reports that Swisher is looking for at least 6 years and over 100 mil….
it doesnt matter all that much what he is looking for, does it? will the market support that for him? i have my doubts.
TennesseePaul
October 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
If Bryce Harper even comes close to being the player everyone thinks he will be, considering he’ll hit free agency at, what, 26,…
Doubtful he’ll hit FA. I know he is a Boras client, but them Nats like to toss money around, so they may very well be able to work something out.
HooRah
October 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Fielding Bible has Fowler ranked between 19th and 30th in runs saved the last 4 seasons.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
TOBF-
Basically what they’re saying is after the Storen collapse (or mismanagement by Johnson), they’re looking for a closer
Efrim
October 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
what im saying is, those UZR numbers are fishy. i dont put alot of stock in them.
I usually like +/- more. And I believe Fangraphs goes off of UZR – which then effects WAR, I think.
That’s why while I’ll use WAR, it’s tough to put all my chips in that basket.
I like wOBA for hitters, and OPS+. Or a good ole fashion slash line with some thought into where he hit in half of his games.
Gary O.
October 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
Nolie,
its always been about making it to October, that’s what sets baseball apart from all the other sports..
Unfortunately this has not worked out in the Braves favor. Since 1995 when the Braves won their WS, we have seen the Marlins win 2, Boston win 2, Yankees win 5, Cardinals win 2 (and might be playing for their 3rd). It still frustrates me that despite 14 straight trips to the playoffs by winning the division, the Braves only won one WS.
And to make matters worse, the Marlins, Red Sox and Cardinals have won the WS as Wild Card teams.
TennesseePaul
October 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
I SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH TROUT!!!!!
lol. Alright. That one did it. Kudos.
I’m outta here. There’s too much beer to drink and too little time.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
4:55 pm
I would also like to see the Braves sign back Matt Diaz.
Why?
I really like Bourjos. Od course I also admire the Angels organization too.
I do as well. I think he could end up being a good hitter, he’s done it before. Look at what Bourn through age 25. Bourjos is better, and like Bourn did, has potential to improve with the bat.
I see you guys punching these CF names out there, and it amazes me that folks think these are better options than picking up some 5-WAR pitcher, instead. I gasp, slack-jawed.
Only CF I think is better than a pitcher is Jay… he provides lots of offense. Otherwise, I want Greinke (or Shields/Price if the price isn’t overly outrageous) along with a defense first CF
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
Weren’t they the best defensive team in the league?…Efrim
they were the best in baseball not just the league, and by a fair margin to boot
Tumbledown
October 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
Maybe we need to bring the pie discussion back. I am getting hungry on this Friday afternoon.
RC
October 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
I love the critical thinking and logic skills of some.
Me: Bryce Harper is probably going to make a lot of money if he comes anywhere close to living up to his promises.
Someone else: Heyward had a better rookie year than Harper, so Heyward is going to make even more.
Me: Well, Pat Listach had a good rookie year. Rookie years don’t necessarily tell us much about careers.
Someone else: Oh!! You just compared Listach to Heyward and Harper! Gotcha!
What? When did you learn to read English?
I read it more like this:
Shaun: Bryce Harper is probably going to make a lot of money if he comes anywhere close to living up to his promises.
ncscoots: Joke
Shaun: Misunderstanding of joke, followed by extended diatribe overexplaining his position.
ncscoots: More poking of the bear, now that he’s realized its agitated and he can have some fun at it’s expense.
Shaun: The quoted text above.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
4:57 pm
DAP-
Everyone doubted Werth would get that kind of money…..
I wouldn’t doubt he gets somewhere close to that when he was paid over 10 this year…especially when you consider what his agent got recently for both Albert Pujols and Jimmy Rollins
Gary O.
October 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Shaun,
Also, Alex Rodriguez has been pretty solid in the postseason: .263/.369/.464 in 75 games and 326 PA..
But if you dig deeper, I think he has had 3 good years in the playoffs, and 6 bad years.
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
P-Town Brave, no. 200 PA is not all that big a sample. That’s 40 games, if a player gets 5 PA per game. There’s no way I would trust 200 PA more than 5,000 PA. No GM, no scout, no type of talent evaluator, no one within the game would. Perhaps we should start trying to look at the game like those folks instead of like the state of New York, sports writers and some on this blog.
You and all those others that you trust more than actual baseball people think that about a month and two weeks worth of games are enough to judge a player. That’s what you are arguing. A month and two weeks over about 8 years.
David O'Brien
October 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
For those wondering about Justin Upton, this from our notes network man in Arizona:
Dbacks GM Kevin Towers seemed to set the price in any Justin Upton deal, indicating it would take a high-level position player and a pitcher, both presumably available to plug right in, for the D-backs to consider a move. Towers, like managing partner Ken Kendrick, said he expects Upton to return in 2013, although also said he will field calls in case he gets a deal he cannot refuse.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
That’s why while I’ll use WAR, it’s tough to put all my chips in that basket.
Totally agree. Although my problem with Fangraphs WAR is less UZR and more the “positional adjustments”, where they seem to arbitrarily give a player extra wins because they play catcher, SS, or CF. I agree that those positions are more valuable if all other things are equal, but the way they apply that extra value is very fishy to me.
My understanding is that Baseball Reference WAR doesn’t make those adjustments, so I’m slightly more comfortable with it.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
RC-
I didn’t get the first part of it because I didn’t see it….
But joking or not, Pat Listach should never EVER be brought up….
EVER
Murph
October 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
We finally have money to spend and people want to bring back Diaz?
Maybe we could get Scott Proctor back from North Korea while we’re at it.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:01 pm
Dbacks GM Kevin Towers seemed to set the price in any Justin Upton deal, indicating it would take a high-level position player and a pitcher, both presumably available to plug right in, for the D-backs to consider a move. Towers, like managing partner Ken Kendrick, said he expects Upton to return in 2013, although also said he will field calls in case he gets a deal he cannot refuse.
Mr. Towers, I’ve got Jon Daniels on line 1. I think you’ll want to take this call.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
We finally have money to spend and people want to bring back Diaz?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no………no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
Crap, formatting took out my *break to rest fingers* joke in the middle.
P-Town Brave ©
October 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
I trust that there are guys that get it done in the postseason and guys that don’t
Carlos Beltran got paid greatly because of this….and he’s continued to be a good playoff performer….
You act as though I am the only one to take playoff performance into consideration when choosing a player….
Its not a new art there bud
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
Braves need to go after the smaller contract players and make a move on Greinke or Peavy and that guarantees 90 plus wins. You think Mad Med, MM, Maholm are all going to come back pitching great? Sure Hanson, Teheran, Delgado can hold down that 5th spot? Look at the Giants Lincecum. You just never know. Never go wrong going into the reg. season loaded with pitching. If pitching never breaks down, you going have a good season. Like for the Braves to have Greinke or Peavy and that will make sure our pitching never breaks down.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
Carlos Beltran got paid greatly because of this….and he’s continued to be a good playoff performer….
Don’t say that to a Mets fan. They still have nightmares of Beltran watching that Wainwright curveball.
RC
October 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
If pitching never breaks down, you going have a good season. Like for the Braves to have Greinke or Peavy and that will make sure our pitching never breaks down.
So they key to ensuring that pitching doesn’t break down is to sign Peavy? Got it.
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
Diaz has heart that the Braves need. YES YES YES. LHP are scared of him.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
October 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
nolie
October 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
Weren’t they the best defensive team in the league?…Efrim
they were the best in baseball not just the league, and by a fair margin to boot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
O boy, that’s funny.
nolie
October 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
Top 100 in Total runs
Originally published in The Fielding Bible Volume II, Total Runs calculates a total value for each player based on his contributions on offense and on defense. There are four elements to Total Runs: runs created, runs saved, baserunning runs, and a positional adjustment that enables a comparison of players across positions.
name…………….runs created…runs saved…baserunning….position….Total
Trout, Mike 126 21 4 22 173
Cano, Robinson 119 15 -2 30 162
Braun, Ryan 131 7 -2 17 153
McCutchen, Andrew 123 -5 8 27 153
Beltre, Adrian 116 13 1 20 150
Cabrera, Miguel 131 -4 0 23 150
Gordon, Alex 104 24 1 19 148
Wright, David 106 16 1 24 147
Bourn, Michael 90 24 5 27 146
Molina, Yadier 92 16 -2 34 140
Posey, Buster 110 -1 1 30 140
Heyward, Jason 94 20 6 19 139
Hill, Aaron 108 -2 3 30 139
Prado, Martin 94 19 5 20 138
Verlander, Justin 0 5 0 2 137
Dickey, R.A. -1 6 0 2 134
Headley, Chase 113 -3 0 24 134
Kershaw, Clayton 2 6 0 2 130
Ramirez, Aramis 105 4 -1 22 130
Andrus, Elvis 82 8 5 33 128
Jackson, Austin 94 5 4 24 127
Pedroia, Dustin 88 11 1 27 127
Reddick, Josh 84 19 6 18 127
Zobrist, Ben 98 4 -3 26 125
Castro, Starlin 84 3 2 35 124
Fielder, Prince 120 -4 -5 13 124
Hamilton, Josh 109 -9 4 20 124
Rios, Alex 98 7 0 19 124
Price, David 0 5 0 2 123
Hardy, J.J. 67 18 1 36 122
Kinsler, Ian 89 1 4 28 122
Gonzalez, Adrian 98 14 -4 13 121
Holliday, Matt 108 -6 2 17 121
Rollins, Jimmy 87 -8 8 34 121
Barney, Darwin 56 29 6 29 120
Harper, Bryce 85 14 0 21 120
Reyes, Jose 98 -17 4 35 120
Hunter, Torii 84 15 5 15 119
Jones, Adam 103 -16 3 29 119
Stanton, Giancarlo 94 10 1 14 119
Cain, Matt 3 1 -1 2 118
LaRoche, Adam 98 8 0 12 118
Phillips, Brandon 76 11 3 28 118
Encarnacion, Edwin 115 -4 0 6 117
Hernandez, Felix 1 0 0 2 117
Pagan, Angel 91 -6 6 26 117
Pujols, Albert 101 9 -3 9 116
Granderson, Curtis 95 -10 3 27 115
Kuroda, Hiroki 0 2 0 2 113
Beltran, Carlos 91 5 -1 17 112
Escobar, Alcides 78 -2 2 34 112
Espinosa, Danny 74 7 0 31 112
Mauer, Joe 96 -7 2 21 112
Montero, Miguel 82 -1 -4 35 112
Uggla, Dan 73 5 4 30 112
Zimmerman, Ryan 89 -1 2 22 112
Hamels, Cole 5 -2 0 2 111
Cueto, Johnny -2 8 -1 2 110
Peavy, Jake -1 4 0 2 110
Span, Denard 69 20 -1 22 110
Swisher, Nick 91 5 -1 15 110
Votto, Joey 96 9 -4 9 110
Ethier, Andre 86 3 2 18 109
Ramirez, Alexei 57 14 3 35 109
Upton, Justin 85 2 4 18 109
Aybar, Erick 68 3 7 30 108
Jeter, Derek 98 -18 -2 30 108
Kipnis, Jason 77 3 -1 29 108
Scutaro, Marco 87 -10 2 29 108
Cozart, Zack 62 12 4 29 107
Harrison, Matt -1 3 0 2 107
Victorino, Shane 79 4 0 24 107
Wieters, Matt 72 5 -5 35 107
Cabrera, Melky 88 0 5 13 106
Moustakas, Mike 69 14 0 23 106
Ruiz, Carlos 76 3 2 25 106
Bruce, Jay 94 -4 -4 19 105
Goldschmidt, Paul 91 1 2 11 105
Greinke, Zack 2 6 0 2 105
Zimmermann, Jordan 4 3 0 2 105
Ackley, Dustin 60 11 4 29 104
Lee, Cliff 1 -2 1 2 104
Vargas, Jason 1 4 0 2 104
Cabrera, Asdrubal 75 -5 4 29 103
Desmond, Ian 81 -6 0 28 103
Freeman, Freddie 84 3 4 12 103
Infante, Omar 69 7 -1 28 103
Lawrie, Brett 62 20 2 19 103
Butler, Billy 108 -3 -4 1 102
Sale, Chris 0 -1 0 2 102
Upton, B.J. 77 -4 4 25 102
Aoki, Norichika 82 5 -2 16 101
Choo, Shin-Soo 98 -12 -3 18 101
Hart, Corey 91 -4 1 13 101
Murphy, David 81 6 0 14 101
Escobar, Yunel 53 15 1 31 100
Gonzalez, Gio -1 -1 0 2 100
Pierzynski, A.J. 76 -5 -2 31 100
Suzuki, Ichiro 74 6 1 19 100
Buehrle, Mark -5 12 0 2 99
Freese, David 81 2 -4 20 99
Gonzalez, Carlos 94 -13 3 15 99
Lohse, Kyle -2 1 -1 2 99
Niese, Jon 4 3 -1 2 99
Shaun
October 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
But if you dig deeper, I think he has had 3 good years in the playoffs, and 6 bad years.
This is exactly why you need large samples.
He was poor in 1995 in 2 PA. He was good in 1997. He was good in 2000. He was good in 2004. He was okay in 2005 (great OBP, poor SLG). He was bad in 2006. He was good in 2007. Good in 2009. Bad in 2010. Bad in 2011. Bad in 2012.
and the most games in a single year is 11.
VaBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
Safe to say our defense will take a step back in 2013. Losing Bourn in CF and looking to add a power bat for LF who will likely not be as good as Prado in LF. But I say Prado is an upgrade over Chipper on defense at 3rd, overall still not as good.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
Alex Gordon is 7th overall… similar player Prado w/ great defense in LF.
Diaz has heart that the Braves need. YES YES YES. LHP are scared of him.
Yep. They sure are…
nolie
October 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
oh yeah I agree, will likely not be as good defensively next season. got three possible GG winners in the OF this season
nolie
October 19th, 2012
5:17 pm
Atlanta led Baseball in Team Runs Saved with 71. next were the Jays with 59 and the Angels with 58
Bama Braves
October 19th, 2012
5:23 pm
Tommy Hanson And Nick Ahmed For Juston Upton. Move Marteen to Third. Sign Michael Bourn and Call It The Winter……
VaBravesFan
October 19th, 2012
5:25 pm
So many ways Wren can go about the offseason. We’ll have roughly 20-25 million to spend plus prospects and surplus SP to trade with.
1. Many of us believe we need to add a top of the rotation arm. Someone like James Shields for example. But we have alot of options right now but lack a big dog at the top.
2. Our bench, David Ross is easily a no brainer to resign and also Reed Johnson makes a ton of sense.
3. Can we finally bring in a RH power bat for LF?? Or does Prado stick in LF and we add a new 3rd baseman? Or another platoon situation?
4. CF and lead off is a huge need as well. Bourn covers both of those needs but he’s likely gone.
How much of this can Wren do?
nolie
October 19th, 2012
5:25 pm
neither are anywhere near what the would want for Upton
Homer of A-town sports
October 19th, 2012
5:26 pm
Does Tommy Hanson and Nick Ahmed sound like a deal he can not refuse? GET REAL. Shocked you did not put Dan Uggla in that deal. It would take a real player like J Hey or Simmons with Delgado to get Upton. Upton is not a option.
nolie
October 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
pretty willing to bet that they do not add a top of the rotation arm, most likely no starter at all unless in a big deal and that would be unlikely to be a big established arm