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DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:25 pm
flange1
You know, Wayne is dead to me! Gotta try to keep up, ok.
phil
October 15th, 2012
2:25 pm
Well, long term, can we afford to keep Heyward, Freddie, Simmons and Kimbrel?
If not, dangle which ever one is the bigger jerk!
MFin04
October 15th, 2012
2:25 pm
I don’t think you bring back Andruw just because it ruins the memory of a great player. I mean the guy was a .200/.300/.400/.700 player this year vs lefties AND vs righties. Not even platoon worthy numbers and played in a lot of friendly hitting ballparks.
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
2:25 pm
East European lefty soft-tossers are well-known for their mound presence…
Also very astute at repeating their landing spots to avoid the landmines.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:26 pm
Arrest DS1 for even mentioning a trade of Simmons. Blasphemy!
rich: Oscar would be nice, but I’d rather they move him up to play CF for them next year and give us Jay.
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
2:26 pm
couple of the cliches which would accompany a Braves signing of him.
From the FO or from the blog?
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
2:27 pm
I mean the guy was a .200/.300/.400/.700 player this year vs lefties AND vs righties
The guy is done. Sad. That really wasn’t even in the ballpark of my reasonable expectations for him back in the early 00’s.
Murph
October 15th, 2012
2:27 pm
Bring back Andruw Jones for 2 years in LF……
I’d love to see him back in ATL as a 4th OF.
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
Also very astute at repeating their landing spots to avoid the landmines.
…and people think pitching is easy. You play in the Bosnian Summer League, you best be ready, bubba.
phil
October 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
Andruw just misses the love….
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
From the FO or from the blog?
From the FO to the blog. There would be a few diehards who’d cling to them for security reasons.
flange1
October 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
Sorry about that Oh Sensitive One, I will try to keep up!
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:28 pm
TOBF
How can you arrest me, when I’m already in Leavenworth doing life without parole. A blogger ticked me off one too many times back 5-6 years ago…………
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
2:29 pm
Even if Kimbrel was the biggest jerk ever, do we really want to “dangle” him now?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:30 pm
They’d also point out that he averages 20+ HR a year, when he has been over 20 just 3 times in his career….
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
2:30 pm
OK then, Ryan Ludwick it is. Next!
MFin04
October 15th, 2012
2:30 pm
“I’d love to see him back in ATL as a 4th OF.”
I think you love the IDEA of him being back in Atlanta, but not actually his production. He is basically identical to the offense and defensive production of Juan Francisco.
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:31 pm
but the warden here is real nice……….. except he’s a Royal’s fan. But that’s like almost being a Braves fan………
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
2:34 pm
He is basically identical to the offense and defensive production of Juan Francisco
But, he wouldn’t curl up with his back to the field before every swing of the bat… so there’s that.
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:35 pm
Tumbledown
I only mention Simmons because it is entirely possible that you might be selling high with him. We really don’t know what he’s going to do offensively for the next 10 years. And Janish is a great SS, albeit one of the worst hitters in the game.
But would you trade a guy like Simmons if it could get you a young, elite RH masher?
Knowing we have someone who could field the position (SS), I’d pull the trigger. But only for a true stud. Not the stud wannabees.
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:35 pm
Tumbledown
I only mention Simmons because it is entirely possible that you might be selling high with him. We really don’t know what he’s going to do offensively for the next 10 years. And Janish is a great SS, albeit one of the worst hitters in the game.
But would you trade a guy like Simmons if it could get you a young, elite RH masher?
Knowing we have someone who could field the position (SS), I’d pull the trigger. But only for a true stud. Not the stud wannabees.
Murph
October 15th, 2012
2:35 pm
I think you love the IDEA of him being back in Atlanta, but not actually his production. He is basically identical to the offense and defensive production of Juan Francisco.
He was actually more Hinske-esque this season…
That being said, he’d be cheap, he plays average defense (better than Hinske at least), and he’s still good for 10-15HR a year.
If the choices were Hinske, Diaz, or Andruw, same money for each, I’d go with Andruw.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:37 pm
Royals fan, eh? Can he talk Dayton Moore into trading us Myers…
Murph
October 15th, 2012
2:39 pm
.244/.326/.535/.862
11 HR
22 RBI
14 BB
40 SO
Andruw’s 2012 first half numbers… not sure why the bottom dropped out on his 2nd half, but it was like watching the guy parachute to earth from space. Straight down at the speed of sound.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:40 pm
He (Andruw) was actually more Hinske-esque this season…
He was better than ‘Ske.
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:40 pm
Just say “No” to Andruw!
MFin04
October 15th, 2012
2:41 pm
“That being said, he’d be cheap, he plays average defense and he’s still good for 10-15HR a year.”
.200/.300/.400/.700 is not good at all. I suppose if you are talking about him being a defensive replacement and full-time pinch hitter I’d take it. But he isn’t starting any games in your theory is he? .182/.280/.455/.735 as a pinch hitter.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
2:43 pm
DS1, Janish is an adequate shortstop. Simmons has an 80 glove and an 80 arm. He might win the next 10 Gold Gloves. He’s also younger than Janish.
I’m all for trading anyone, as long as it’s worth it. But if the Braves trade Simmons, it better be for at least one absolute stud and another quality player with very little to no major league service time. In other words, it ain’t happening.
Corey
October 15th, 2012
2:43 pm
DOB estimates we will have 25 million to fill two holes and sure up the bench (including other assumptions including picking up McCann’s option)… And with that, he has recommended signing Pagan and trading for Willingham as best options….
I love McCann. But would we not be better off giving Ross the everyday job and having 37 million to spend? We could re-sign Bourn, leave Prado in LF, and sign David Wright to play 3B. Is the drop off between McCann and Ross (right handed/ better defense) that big of a difference now?
I know I can’t see McCann/Willingham/Pagan being better than Ross/Wright/Bourn…. Plus we could hold on to our prospects!
Thoughts?
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
2:44 pm
Coem on, guys. Andruw is cooked. Basted, tasted, and put on the dinner table cooked.
Murph
October 15th, 2012
2:44 pm
MFin, I said I’d like Andruw coming back to the Braves as a bench bat. I’m not in any way talking about him as Bourn’s or Prado’s replacement on a fulltime basis.
I’ve been saying it for years that I think you’d see an uptick in his production if he were to come back to ATL. No, I don’t think he’d suddenly regain form, but I think he’d do better in Atlanta than he would elsewhere. It’s a comfort thing.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
2:45 pm
Saw Janish on the TV, said he had popped his shoulder out of the joint 6 or 7 times before, but it had always popped back in, until this last time.
It ain’t going to get no better, at popping back in, only worse.
Trade Simmons…….berry, berry bad idea.
go braves 2013(if they can find the rest of that Mayan calender, before December)!!!!!
DiamondbackMac
October 15th, 2012
2:45 pm
McFann
I knew I couldn’t stay away forever…
Good link, very appropriate.
Murph
October 15th, 2012
2:45 pm
Coem on, guys. Andruw is cooked. Basted, tasted, and put on the dinner table cooked.
So was every other player we had on our bench this last year.
Again, for the bench, I’d take him over the bums Fredi had at his disposal any day of the week.
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:46 pm
One stud RH masher would be enough for me Shaun.
And Janish is much better than adequate defensively.
But I agree, it’s probably never going to happen. Just thinking outside the box to improve the team.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:46 pm
I love McCann. But would we not be better off giving Ross the everyday job and having 37 million to spend? We could re-sign Bourn, leave Prado in LF, and sign David Wright to play 3B
If only it were that easy. Ross isn’t a starter, and we need to see what Mac has left. I don’t think he’s done. Let Bourn go, too expensive. Move Prado to 3rd. We’d have to trade for David Wright, and I doubt the Mets would trade w/ us.
We currently have 25mil or so to spend, but outside of Greinke, there’s not really a player deserving to get a majority of that.
abeeeewright
October 15th, 2012
2:47 pm
Wren is about to sign a Polish lefty out of college? What?
DS1
October 15th, 2012
2:48 pm
Gotta run folks………….. Warden says it’s time to go before the parole board.
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
2:48 pm
So was every other player we had on our bench this last year.
So, your point is that you wouldn’t mind another bowl of gruel next year?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:50 pm
Andruw Jones w/ his 14 HR and 34 RBIs would have led our bench this season… Our bench was poor this season, I wouldn’t add a guy in the hopes that he does better than he has recently.
Rev is a lock imo. Mejia possibly. Depends on if we replace Juan as backup 3B.
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
2:51 pm
DS1 – I agree with what you propose about Simmons. For the right price, I would consider trading anyone. Of course, the key is for the right price.
phil
October 15th, 2012
2:52 pm
Trade reckingball to the phillies blog for a northerner to be named in February…..
raleighbravefan
October 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
TOBF – Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water….here you come again with the GreinkeShark. Duh Duh, Duh Duh, Duh Duh…
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
Rays need a SS I believe. Simmons for Price!
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
I meant for the right haul in return. Ultimately, I would be reluctant to part with any of Kimbrel, Simmons, Freeman, Heyward, Prado, Delgado, and Teheran. They are the cornerstone of a good future. especially given the braves’ payroll limitations.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
2:53 pm
How many HRs and RBI did Andruw Jones have starting vs off of the bench?
Efrim
October 15th, 2012
2:54 pm
DOB estimates we will have 25 million to fill two holes and sure up the bench
Since when have the Braves used ALL of the projected cash available? They almost always leave a little for mid-season trades.
But they did have $91-92 million in the team last year……
……except of course $10 million of it was on Cleveland/New York.
They have $64-65 million in 11 players for 2013, but when you factor in utility/middle relievers making slightly more and other minimum salaried players, the number is more around $20 million for those two offensive holes.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:56 pm
Just making a point, RBF. He’s the only “premium” player on the market. I’m already resigned to the belief that he won’t be a Braves… maybe he’ll go to my AL team, the Rangers. Just a shame we’re missing out on the best FA pitcher in my recent history (and better than next year’s class, that we’ll likely be picking from)
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
2:56 pm
I only mention Simmons because it is entirely possible that you might be selling high with him. We really don’t know what he’s going to do offensively for the next 10 years. And Janish is a great SS, albeit one of the worst hitters in the game.
Even if Simmons doesn’t do much of anything offensively, he could still be a legit first-division shortstop because his defense is that good.
Andruw Jones posted an OPS+ of 88 and he’s 35. He was at 126 in 2011 and 120 in 2010 but I’m not betting on a 36-year-old coming off an 88 OPS+ season to bounce back to anything close to the 120’s. And he’s no where near the fielder he once was. I hope he gets a shot to keep playing somewhere, if that’s what he wants to do. I just don’t think it should be with Atlanta.
I still say Andruw’s a Hall of Famer. One of the best defensive players of all-time and a very good hitter for a good 8-10 years.
Efrim
October 15th, 2012
2:57 pm
Rays need a SS I believe.
Rays need present day offense. Holes at 1B, DH, C, middle infield and potentially the outfield. All depends on where Zobrist plays. Longoria, Zobrist, Jennings, Joyce are locked in, with Joyce needing a platoon mate. Hak Ju Lee will need another year in the minors, so they may use Zobrist there for another year.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
2:57 pm
Non-tender or release Phil.
What’s the difference between non-tendering, or releasing a player(or blogger, in phil’s case) anyways?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
2:58 pm
How many HRs and RBI did Andruw Jones have starting vs off of the bench?
11 HR when starting (234 PAs) , 3 of the bench (35 PAs)
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
I’m too nice and good looking to be traded to a Phils blog, anyhow.
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:00 pm
Shaun – You really think Andrew Jones belongs in the Hall of Fame? I would disagree but don’t have all the relevant numbers before me. I would vote in Dale Murphy over Jones, but maybe I am way off base.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
3:01 pm
Hmm, so how about Simmons to the DBacks, 1of Upton/Young/Parra going to the Rays, and we get Price.
Dreaming again.
Efrim
October 15th, 2012
3:01 pm
David Price isn’t going anywhere yet. They aren’t trading him this offseason. I could see them trading Shields, I guess. Although that’s not the route I’d go. Stay strong in the staff with Price/Shields/Moore/Hellickson in the rotation Rodney/McGee/Davis as the pen. Make smarter decisions on the bargain bin free agent market than Carlos Pena and Luke Scott. They have to be able to do better than that, even with their limited funds.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:01 pm
Andruw Jones w/ his 14 HR and 34 RBIs would have led our bench this season
Too bad his homerun and RBI totals tell us very little about what he was worth as a player.
88 OPS+, 35-years-old, hasn’t played more than 17 games in centerfield in a season since 2008.
Efrim
October 15th, 2012
3:02 pm
Hmm, so how about Simmons to the DBacks, 1of Upton/Young/Parra going to the Rays, and we get Price.
No need for Simmons when they have Zobrist able to play the position and Hak Ju Lee in the minors as a Top 50 prospect.
Ric Flair to Right
October 15th, 2012
3:05 pm
If you look closely the Tigers and Cardinals are both built for short 5 to 7 game series but not a 162 games. This is the new model with 5 playoff spots. It sucks because it dosent lend its self to prospects and traditional baseball, now its nore like a fast pitch softball tourneyment.
Ric Flair to Right
October 15th, 2012
3:05 pm
If you look closely the Tigers and Cardinals are both built for short 5 to 7 game series but not a 162 games. This is the new model with 5 playoff spots. It sucks because it dosent lend its self to prospects and traditional baseball, now its nore like a fast pitch softball tourneyment.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 15th, 2012
3:07 pm
Simmons to Arizona…. they need the SS, and the Rays get an OF.
Don’t need to be trading Simba anyway, so it’s moot.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:07 pm
Tumbledown, I think Andruw’s defensive value, which was among the best of all-time, combined with very good offense over a long enough period makes him Hall worthy. He’s probably not the best eligible candidate not yet in but I think he’s worthy of induction.
Murphy wasn’t near the defensive player and, though he had bigger seasons offensively, wasn’t good offensively for any longer than Jones.
Murph’s a good candidate considering Jim Rice and Andre Dawson are now in.
Murph
October 15th, 2012
3:11 pm
So, your point is that you wouldn’t mind another bowl of gruel next year?
I’d gladly eat a bowl of gruel instead of the bowl of dog sh*t that was a our bench this season, yes.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:11 pm
Ric Flair to Right, I think the Tigers are definitely built for short series. They are top-heavy with a potent middle-of-the-order and high-strikeout pitchers.
I think the Cardinals are deeper, though their best players aren’t as talented.
I don’t know that there’s a new model. No team is going to intentionally risk just missing the playoffs in order to build for the playoffs.
nolie
October 15th, 2012
3:15 pm
you guys have a group of your own, Mixxo and George
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:16 pm
I used to disagree with those who wanted to shorten the season and add playoffs. But now, if MLB wants more playoffs, I’m taking a second look at that view.
If there are going to be 4 or 5 or more playoff teams, I would rather see more 7-game series (or even a 9-game series) over one-and-done games and 5-game series. The only way to add 7-game series would probably be to shorten the season. But I think all series should be at least 7 games.
I don’t know that this will ever happen. Teams still probably want that regular season revenue.
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:18 pm
At the end of the day, I believe we are not going to see either Andruw Jones or Dale Murphy in the Hall of Fame (unless Jones has some sort of miracle late career surge).
nolie
October 15th, 2012
3:20 pm
nor do I Tumble
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
If I were the Commissioner and had total controll over the schedule, I would: (1) shorten the regular season to 154 games (try to get a more balanced schedule); (2) have wild card series play best of three with all the games at the home of the first wild card team); and (3) play 4 out of 7 in the divisional, LCS, and World Series.
phil
October 15th, 2012
3:22 pm
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
2:59 pm
I’m too nice and good looking to be traded to a Phils blog, anyhow.
*************
I’ll agree you’re nice enough in general.
Andruw to the HOF?
It will never happen.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
Did A. Jones have the talent and potential to be a HOFer, I think that he did.
Did he utilize it to his full ablility? I don’t think that he did.
But, that is just my opinion.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
Tumbledown, I don’t know. I think there is a decent chance at least one or both get in. I also think there’s a good chance that neither gets in. It will probably be a while before we know.
With Andruw I think eventually “greatest defensive centerfielder of all-time” (and solid offense) will carry a lot of weight. It will probably be way down the road when people start looking at his career on the whole, and aren’t focused as much on him gaining weight and losing his ability to produce for a time.
With Murphy, perhaps his support will rise as similar players like Rice and Dawson were voted in and he’ll have the nice guy thing going for him in the age of the PED candidates.
LawDawg
October 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Re: Swisher:
Cons: He is a very, very old 32; he stinks in the postseason; he is barely an everyday player; he costs too much.
Pros: Umm… His .264 batting average and 23 home runs he would give us next year are still a better deal than Uggla for about the same price.
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
If there are going to be 4 or 5 or more playoff teams, I would rather see more 7-game series (or even a 9-game series) over one-and-done games and 5-game series. The only way to add 7-game series would probably be to shorten the season. But I think all series should be at least 7 games.
There is a point of diminishing returns. People aren’t going to be tuning in en-mass to watch a 7 game wild card play-off. Nor will they follow that up with a 7 game DLS. This would stretch the post-season out almost two months. I’d even lose interest. Gave up on the NBA long time ago for a number of reasons, one of them being the playoffs negate the regular season… 30 teams, 16 make the play-offs which last from April through June.
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
(2) have wild card series play best of three with all the games at the home of the first wild card team); and (3) play 4 out of 7 in the divisional, LCS, and World Series.
You’d need the playoffs to start September 15 or so. I don’t think there is much way to sustain intense playoff interest for six weeks or more. You lose that sense of now-or-never that gives playoffs their adrenaline rush.
Your plan might indeed be more “fair”, but when you have to defeat three or four opponents and win 12 to 15 games, there’s little chance that the best team is going to come out of that alive. And if you buy that, then “fair” doesn’t have much relevance.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
I have been called buttally handso……….uh, make that brutally handsome.
TennesseePaul
October 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
No need for Simmons when they have Zobrist able to play the position…
I don’t know about that deal you are responding to, but from what I read in your repost-quote, Simmons was going to the DBacks…. why would he impact what Zobrist does. Isn’t Zobrist with the Rays, or did I miss something?
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
Shaun- Tumbledown, I don’t know. I think there is a decent chance at least one or both get in. I also think there’s a good chance that neither gets in.
I know you are an expert with stats, but you need to explain to me the difference between “decent chance” and “good chance” as it seems like you have all possibilities covered a little too well. Seriously, both Murph and Jones suffer from hpw dramatically their careers tailed off toward their respective ends.
phil
October 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
In typical phil fashion, even back in the mid-80s at roughly age 18, I remember hearing Mark Bradley and Bisher and Moore and that other guy, and folks like them, start referring to Murphy as the future hall of famer and thinking then that he would thenceforth be doomed or cursed….
Sure enough, by 1988, he was toast well before he should’ve been and thus, bye bye HOF.
I’ve worried for years that the same would happen with Chipper. Mercifully, it did not.
The Falcons playoff debacle of 1980. The Braves-Cardinals playoff debacle of 1982. Numerous Hawks playoff debacles in the mid to late 80s. The Braves and Falcons of the 70s. I grew up on these pathetic influences. It’s why I am what I am, sports-wise.
Pathetic collapse and heartbreak in the sports realm continue unabated to this very day, but for the 80 Georgia football team and the 95 Braves.
I am a product of my environment, though I will always remain hopeful deep down inside!
Nowhere man
October 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
@George George, Jason Aldean was recently caught with a woman who is not his wife. Chipper E. Jones must be teaching the young man well.
phil
October 15th, 2012
3:39 pm
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
I have been called buttally handso……….uh, make that brutally handsome.
********
Perhaps by Larry…..lol
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:39 pm
Did A. Jones have the talent and potential to be a HOFer, I think that he did.
Did he utilize it to his full ablility? I don’t think that he did.
But, that is just my opinion.
I would obviously argue that he did utilize his talent and potential enough to be a Hall of Famer, whether he fully utilized it or not. Seems like maybe you don’t think so.
I understand having an opinion on whether players utilized their potential. I just hope voters wouldn’t go there and it would purely be about whether the player was good enough, whatever the reason he was or wasn’t. I would hope the vote isn’t purely on the basis of whether a voter thinks some player did or did not outwork others.
I guess it bothers me when the media or we fans want to pick and choose which players are more and less moral than others. I’m not saying I’m okay with players doing whatever they want in their free time. I just get uncomfortable when folks start making sports about more than just enjoying athletic performance, almost moving in to the realm of hero worship.
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
ncscoots – Is my proposal really stretching out the playoffs much more than it is right now? Ok, we will keep the divisional series at 3 out of 5. I at least like the idea of having a best of three wild card series all at the home of the first wild card. They get a reward for being the best wild card.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
phil………..What ever happened to your good buddy, Larry?
Do ya’ll still keep in-touch with each other. That’s a haha.
Homer of A-town sports
October 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
I don’t want to give up Delgado or Teheran but I would be very interested in making a deal for Fowler. Another name on the trading block is Ellsbury and before you say he bats L…his stats on LHP are real good. The problem is he will be a free agent in 2014 and his agent is that clown Boras. One thing I have thought about is going the opposite way. Sign Greinke, platoon LF, and have Stanza play CF. Stanza best position is not CF so I am not sure he could do it. By mid season it would be huge if Cunningham shows he is ready to play MLB. He is a S hitter and only time will tell. Revere would be a perfect fit but he bats L. I really don’t know what Wren is going to do but I am excited to find out. I really don’t see Victorino, Upton, Hamilton, or Melky making a good fit for this team. Go Braves
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
Phil – I have been a lifelong Atlanta fan and share your pain. In 1980, Danny White to Drew Pearson in the playoffs basically seemed to doom the Falcons for many years. In 1988, the Hawks blew their best chance to get passed the second round against the Celtics. Then, there is Jim Leyritz in 1996. We also cannot forget the Eugene Robinson episode in connection with the Falcons’ lone Super Bowl experiences.
I remain cautiously hopeful that the tide will turn one day. I guess it could be worse, and we could be Cleveland fans.
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
Super bowl appearance.
abeeeewright
October 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
Personally, I’d play a double-elimination qualifying round leading into the 7 game LCS. Get rid of the NLDS entirely.
I guess, MLB just needs to figure out how many games they want to play in the playoffs from a revenue stand-point and how many teams they want to include in the playoffs. Prolly as many playoff games as possible and as many teams as possible.
If you played a DL tournament with the top seed getting a bye, and take the winner of the winners bracker versus the winner of the losers bracket into a 7 game LCS, you’d get seven p/o games per league VERSUS the current guaranteed 7 games with a possible 11 games. Some of those games could be gotten back by making the final loser’s bracket “game” a 3 game series.
the truth...
October 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
DS1….
You failed to mention that you’re in a prison for the mentally ill…………but then with posts about trading Simmons you pretty much proved it without anyone having to call you out on it…..
Sick, sick sick idea…………and you want to trade him for a young ‘”thumper”…………
Simmons is so much better than just a “thumper”…………he saves runs with his glove and swings the bat very, very well………..missing his bat for the time he was injured was very likely the difference in us having a real shot at catching the Nats. He is like a catalyst that in involved in lots of plays….and he should only get better, and better…..
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
They get a reward for being the best wild card.
Where you and I diverge is on the issue of the wild-card getting a reward for anything. I’m the meanie here on this matter, in that I think a team should penalized for finishing second, not rewarded.
Braves’ loss or no, I like the sudden-death thing for the wild-card teams.
reckingball
October 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Seems like maybe you don’t think so.”
I don’t think that Jone’s played good enough to be in the HOF.
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
TennesseePaul, I tend to agree with you there, regarding the playoffs. I’m for fewer teams and longer series, not more teams. I would like for the regular season to be the main factor in who gets the edge in the postseason. If an inferior team wins it all, they at least should have a tougher time doing it.
But where I see their side, if MLB is going to let more teams in, I would like them to not do it to the point where there is entirely too much randomness. I think the folks who want a shorter regular season have it right in trying to decrease randomness as a bigger factor in the postseason.
I don’t think Detroit, in particular, was at enough of a disadvantage in the postseason, for example. Relative to all the other playoff teams, they should have had a tougher road to the World Series because of how they performed in the regular season relative to those other teams.
I think there are some ways to keep the season at 162 games, do more to reward regular season success (i.e., success over the long haul) and have more than a couple of teams in the playoffs.
I will give MLB credit for trying to reward regular season success. But I think they are rewarding winning divisions over rewarding the most successful teams. I think that’s where they messed up.
Efrim
October 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
I don’t know about that deal you are responding to, but from what I read in your repost-quote, Simmons was going to the DBacks…. why would he impact what Zobrist does. Isn’t Zobrist with the Rays, or did I miss something?
Prior to that, TOBF was trying to get us Price with Simmons going to the Rays, as they need SS help….apparently.
Homer of A-town sports
October 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
Chipper is a HOF but I don’t know if he was a great leader. Maybe he was but I am not 100 percent sure he was a great leader. The Braves playoff record is 4-20 in last 24 playoff games I think. No way Chipper should even be questioned about HOF. He deserves that. I still think about 82 Braves winning (game one) and the umps called the game. Braves just needed 3 outs to make it a complete game. So much heart break being a fan of Atlanta but we will always come back and pull for our home teams. Let’s see how far our Falcons can take us this yr.
Roy Gibbs
October 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Enter your comments hereDOB: When will the Braves announce their complete 2013 Spring Training Schedule??
BravePack(FreeFan)
October 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Tumbledown
October 15th, 2012
2:29 pm
Even if Kimbrel was the biggest jerk ever, do we really want to “dangle” him now?
I can assure you out of the 4 mentioned Kimbrel is the least of a jerk. I’m not saying any of them are but I know for a fact having met Kimbrel he is one of the nicest, most humble guys on the team.
doug
October 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
I second the double elimination tournament idea. My idea is, go to no divisions, just AL and NL. Then the top eight teams in each league play a double elimination tournament. Winners play in the best of seven game World Series. The losers bracket elimination games probably draw huge ratings, especially when the Yankees or Red Sox get sent to the bottom half.
You get regular season drama of getting in the tournament, and playing for seedings and home field advantage…
You want a radical idea, there ya go!
Shaun
October 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
ncscoots, I just think regular season success should be rewarded over whether a team is a division winner. Whether a team is rewarded shouldn’t depend on whether they were lucky enough to play in a certain geographic location. How successful a team was should matter more. If a team was more successful than a division winner, that more successful team should face a greater reward and the less successful team should face a tougher road.
ncscoots
October 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
I second the double elimination tournament idea.
That would be a scheduling (and thus, TV) nightmare. Unless you plan all the playoffs to be in Omaha.
phil
October 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
Don’t know where Larry is keeping himself….I would see him sometimes on game blogs, but that’s about it.