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VaBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
12:45 pm
Lew
I’m betting the Braves 2 year offer was for less than 6 million total. He rather take a 1 year deal and also play for what looked to be a great team the RedSox. Figured he’d could have a good season and re-enter the market to cash in.
Jeff R
October 14th, 2012
12:45 pm
Hope MLB playoffs do not became like the NBA where sub .500 teams get in and fans that support teams should get to see all thier teams playoff games. PLEASE NO NUTERAL SITES. I think even in NFL SUPER BOWL should be played in city of team that has the best record, just as WS home advantage should GET RID OF SILLY ALL-STAR GAME determining it.
I’m with you on this, George.
Carl Farvman
October 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
“Wren can earn his next extension if he stops the JS-ish win now folly – tossing away young talent for geezers who may add 1-2 games to the win pile.”
How refreshing. You build a competitive team over time with an occasional FA signing and timely/smart trades here and there, combined with a farm system that yields home grown talent. All without the expectation that you have a God-given right to be in the last game of the MLB season every year. Fans of clubs with winning traditions don’t expect to make the playoffs each and every year. They want to be consistantly competitive and make a run every few years. If it happens more frequently that’s fine, too. Good article about the Cards win of game 5 and a first-hand account from the players perspectives as it was playing out after going down early by 6 runs…in stltoday.com. It’s exactly the kind of roster you’d want to get in 1 dugout. And it doesn’t happen by picking up a bunch of FAs with decent stats.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
Woody I honestly think they can make it work with the two wild cards because they want to draw more teams into the races and create more excitement. That’s still less teams than nba, nfl, nhl. I think they should either gives the 2 best teams in each league a weekend bye and have the wc face off against the other two division winners with all 3 games played at the division winners place or have the wc teams face off for a weekend series with the top wc team getting to host the series and let all the division winners take the weekend off. Just no one gamers. Not what the game is about imo.
DS1
October 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
I think what Ross was looking for out of Boston was a better guarantee of starter’s AB’s. With Atlanta’s situation, he was going to be the 4th outfielder and the sub when Chipper sat.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
12:50 pm
If the NFL championship is determined by one game, I think it should be played in a neutral site.
74bravesjersey
October 14th, 2012
12:53 pm
@VaBravesFan;I’d go w/ that plan; Denard Span seems very intriguing; Good Batting Avg.’s , I wouldn’t mind throwin’ Angel Pagan w/ that mix.
DS1
October 14th, 2012
12:54 pm
Jake
Problem with letting the two best teams sit is that oft times teams that sit too long lose the edge. I don’t think I’d want my team sitting if they had finished with the best record in the NL. Too much of a chance they would lose the edge.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
12:55 pm
I have every hope that during the winter meetings the OWNERS and GMS DEMAND NO GOOD BUD change that awfull one game playin game. BUD must have gotten the idea from the NCAA basketball tourament and is sure screwed us this year. If a team that is 6 games better than the other team over 162 games has to prove it all over again it MUST be a 2 out of 3 series.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
Math was off on one of those scenerios but I believe thay can make the 10 postseason qualifiers have more of a postseason experience.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
12:56 pm
I still don’t mind the play-in.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
12:59 pm
DS1 I don’t believe one weekend is that long. My second scenerio makes more sense than the first, fudged on the math there, but if you add an extra team you have to have a series of some sort.
kenhotlanta
October 14th, 2012
1:01 pm
Nowhere man: Why do you remind me of ACE?
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:07 pm
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
12:49 pm
Woody I honestly think they can make it work with the two wild cards because they want to draw more teams into the races and create more excitement. That’s still less teams than nba, nfl, nhl. I think they should either gives the 2 best teams in each league a weekend bye and have the wc face off against the other two division winners with all 3 games played at the division winners place or have the wc teams face off for a weekend series with the top wc team getting to host the series and let all the division winners take the weekend off. Just no one gamers. Not what the game is about imo.
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I like your idea of best record division winner getting bye and the two WCs playing division winners. I LIKE IT A LOT because if WC teams play each other even if 2 of 3 series means every year it could be a situation like this year where a team 6 games better than another has to prove it all over again.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:10 pm
TONIGHT IS ZOMBIE NIGHT!
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:13 pm
ACE was not really a bad guy, he just annoyed DOB for that reason he also annoyed the kool-aid drinkers.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:15 pm
TONIGHT IS ZOMBIE NIGHT!
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George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
WALKING DEAD returns with new shows.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
I’d prefer it if they went back to just one wc and extend the first round playoff series. They probably aren’t though so just shorten the season and extend the postseason.
74bravesjersey
October 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
@richbrave; How many atbats does Gattis(Evan Almighty) have? I think he’s a pretty disciplined hitter himself, minor league stats say he’s struckout a little over 40 times in what, over 400ab’s, hits for good avg., knowing he was hurt for a while this year, really, REALLY Hopeing they’ll give him a real good look this spring. Could be another homegrown Thumper, a diamond in the rough, our on middlebrooks, or Trumbo, I’m pull’n for em’ big time. Everybody read’n this, pullup his stats, & yeah, he’s 261/2 yrs old mabey almost 27, but look R.A. Dickey, in his mid to late 30’s now bidding for CY young. 27 yrs. to me is a mature young. I’m also pull’n for Earnesto Mejia, Hope he can get a shot. The 2 E’s boys, hope they can make the roster this year, at least have the opportunity.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:20 pm
jeffery guess everyone but us left to watch NFL so T am outta here also. Have a good one.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:23 pm
You too, George
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:18 pm
Jake that is what I would really like, the more teams in the more it cheapens the sport. Some how it does not seam right that NATS 98 WINS and BRAVES 94 WINS are out of it and two teams with 88 wins are still playing.
Lew
October 14th, 2012
1:25 pm
A lot of teams would not want a buy on the first series – too easy for a team to lose momentum and get cold if they’re playing hot. Not as if they’re missing one game by sitting out a series – they’d be sitting out a week or a bit more. That’s fine for a football team – not so much for a baseball team.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:27 pm
Some how it does not seam right that NATS 98 WINS and BRAVES 94 WINS are out of it and two teams with 88 wins are still playing
But it’s not like each team didn’t have a chance. The Braves blew theirs with 3 errors and the Nats had a 5 game series
kenhotlanta
October 14th, 2012
1:28 pm
George_George: I was actually talking about the “good” ACE…he knew a lot about music.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:29 pm
I was actually talking about the “good” ACE…he knew a lot about music.
But he also bated people like a 12 year old
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:30 pm
baited?
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:30 pm
Lew I really don’t think 2 or 3 days off will hurt that badly especially when the other teams rotation is a little out of whack. Its no different than one team going the distance in a series and one team not. There is no need for a day off between series.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
Plus, a team has pitchers and hitters. If they’re scared of getting rusty, get a few ABs in.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:34 pm
Lew
October 14th, 2012
1:25 pm
Lew, I would have the WCs playing division winners only be 2 out of three with no days off, all games at division winners home.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:36 pm
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:30 pm
baited?
He only “baited” DOB. lol
Lew
October 14th, 2012
1:36 pm
Carl Farvman@12:49 – I agree.
Lew
October 14th, 2012
1:38 pm
George-George – Doesn’t matter – hot baseball teams NEVER want three days off.
George_George
October 14th, 2012
1:41 pm
Now outta here for football and Peanut needs walk. Have a good one y’all.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:45 pm
There is no way any team would approve a playoff series that does not guarantee at least one home game for both teams. Never.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:45 pm
Have a wild card weekend, best 2 out of 3. Either start division series on Sun or Mon. No breaks unless the weather plays a part. 2 or 3 days off with the other team forced to use their best pitcher doesn’t sound like a big deal to me.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:48 pm
No breaks unless the weather plays a part
This, also, I think is unrealistic, especially if you have teams from opposite coasts playing each other. Can’t play one night in Atlanta and the next in San Francisco, especially with the funky start times of play off games.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:48 pm
No breaks unless the weather plays a part
This, also, I think is unrealistic, especially if you have teams from opposite coasts playing each other. Can’t play one night in Atlanta and the next in San Francisco, especially with the funky start times of play off games.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:49 pm
But they will approve of one game winner take all. A series on the road or at home sounds better than a one gamer imo.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:49 pm
(sorry!
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Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:49 pm
But they will approve of one game winner take all. A series on the road or at home sounds better than a one gamer imo.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:52 pm
Treat it like a weekend series, day games followed by night games if the series goes to all 3. I think we are making this more complicated than it has to be. This stuff happens all the time during the regular season.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:53 pm
In a one game playoff, the team with the better record gets rewarded with the home game. In a multi-game playoff, no team is going to be ok with playing all the games on the road. Too much money involved, and too much atmosphere.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
This stuff happens all the time during the regular season.
Actually, it doesn’t. Not flying across the country (at least not west to east) without a day off between those games.
ChattTownBrian
October 14th, 2012
1:55 pm
No. More. Left. Handed. Hitters. PLEASE! Span I don’t want here and because he hits left.
ChattTownBrian
October 14th, 2012
1:58 pm
Me and Sarah were wanting to go to this Falcons/Raiders game. ONE ticket was like $150. Or that’s what she told me anyways. Uh, no thanks.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
1:59 pm
Anyways, just stopped by for a moment. Now I’m off to watch more football. Y’all have a pleasant Sunday
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
1:59 pm
Anybody can win one game anywhere. I also wasn’t aware you had to get approval from everybody to do something because I doubt the one game play-in is a popular thing. Win your division and get rewarded with rest and homefield, these things are designed to put the teams with lesser wins at the disadvantage.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
2:06 pm
You don’t have to get approval from everyone, but there does need to be approval (believe it is simple majority) from the owners to change the format. And again, it’s more about revenue than about not being able to win on the road.
Jake W. (The original)
October 14th, 2012
2:08 pm
Braves played in NY sun then next day in SD. It is possible, not popular, but possible. Or just give the day off , whatever they want. Not that big of a deal imo
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
Braves played in NY sun then next day in SD.
Yes, but there is a mandatory day off flying from the west coast to the east coast.
cabravesfan
October 14th, 2012
2:11 pm
Anyways, not going to spend anymore time on this. Have a good one.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
2:17 pm
His (Cody Ross) track record isn’t very consistent.
What track record? An OPS higher than .883 vs. lefties every season but 2011?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
If Ross turned down a multi year offer last winter from the Braves and chose, instead, to ign a one year deal with Boston, why would he accept one this year?- Lew
I think he wanted to set himself up for a longer and more lucrative deal this offseason. His performance likely will get him that. Unfortunately for us, it may be with the Red Sox again
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
2:23 pm
Darn shame about Jeter last night. I pull against the Yankees, but I have a lot of respect and admiration for Derek Jeter.
Well said. I was quite surprised by the number of my friends who were happy that he’s hurt. That’s sickening.
I want the Tigers to win, but I wouldn’t necessarily mind seeing the Yankees come back from this and get to the WS. At least then, no one will blame Jeter’s injury as being the reason they lost the series.
Doc Holliday
October 14th, 2012
2:39 pm
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
1:27 pm
Some how it does not seam right that NATS 98 WINS and BRAVES 94 WINS are out of it and two teams with 88 wins are still playing
But it’s not like each team didn’t have a chance. The Braves blew theirs with 3 errors and the Nats had a 5 game series
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This one game stuff, has to stop right now………….
Somebody mentioned 4 divisions with 4 teams and 2 seven game series………….that sound better to me than the crap we have right now……..
Sometimes………. the number of wins in a season does not tells you which team is the better one.
You think the yankees are the best team in the AL?
I think Tigers, Texas and O´s were better………..
Same goes for the NL……… Cards are the better team…….. we have a much better pitching staff and it gave us a better record…………but on the field…………they execute much better than us and maybe better than the nats……….
They just know what to do, how to win when crunch time arrives, we dont, period……..so we are not the better team, we are the team with the better stats, thats all.
but this 1 game (sudden death) crap and even 5 game series, I think is not something that is good for the sport and authorities should know better.
They are just thinking……….money, business………… Reds and Braves were more complete teams than cards and SF and yet they are out………and I firmly believe this is because of the short series format.
Same goes for…………..texas and Os.
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
2:50 pm
Like Nowhere Man who is probably the same person, ACE baited people all the time like a teenager, not just DOB. Glad he is gone, wish we could get rid of Nowhere Man too.
Nothing more worthless that some one who has nothing to offer about baseball and does nothing but bait posters who actually do.
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
2:52 pm
a previous blogger talked about not being able to get SOA on the Dish Network and I’ve heard about a few more talk about series they can’s get pn Dish. Just out out curiosity, why does anyone have the Dish Network?
Mitchell
October 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
I hate the Yankees and normally Derek Jeter but his broken ankle officially marks October 2012 as the worst, most demoralizing post-season in baseball history.
jeffrey d
October 14th, 2012
2:59 pm
Nothing more worthless that some one who has nothing to offer about baseball and does nothing but bait posters who actually do
What about a murderer?
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
3:01 pm
jeffrey d — Depends
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:04 pm
almost as worthless as a carny, but less so than Nowhere Man
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
3:04 pm
I’d stay away from Ross, Swisher and Upton. I just don’t think Ross provides enough pop. Swisher and Upton will cost a draft pick as well as a four-five year deal and at least 12 million per year. Too much, even if we have something like 22-25 million. Still have to make smart moves. I’d rather go the trade route.
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
3:05 pm
jeffrey d – and i agree wholeheartedely. We have several here and it Depends on whether they are asking to learn or telling you how is should be.
Carl Farvman
October 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
Doc: we have a much better pitching staff and it gave us a better record.
Doc, have you even looked at the Cards staff? Lynn,Wainright, Garcia,Lohse,Carpenter,Mott, Boggs….I’m not sure where this belief that the Braves had a top-notch staff comes from.
Mitchell
October 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
If I’m not mistaken, the Yankees were the only team to win a series, or wild card game, at home.
Even if you’re not a fan of either team playing, no one wants to watch the road team celebrate on somebody else’s field.
The more I think about it, the more I’m grateful for fans throwing *&#% at the umps.
It was refreshing for once to see the team that beat us in the playoffs run off the field after the last out in fear.
I actually enjoyed watching that.
Mitchell
October 14th, 2012
3:09 pm
Or perhaps I should say I rather enjoyed it.
Mmm? Mmm?
Yes.
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:10 pm
I’m not sure where this belief that the Braves had a top-notch staff comes from. Farvman
shouldn’t that be Farbman?
and the idea probably comes from the great second half they just had
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
3:16 pm
I’d stay away from Ross, Swisher and Upton. I just don’t think Ross provides enough pop
Maybe not Cody Ross, but we better get David Ross signed. He’ll end up starting 80 games next year and play in 120. IMO the Braves should talke $6 M and sign David Ross, for $3, a primary back up for $2 and a third catcher for $1. $6 M and you’re set at catcher for $6 less than with the defenseless one.
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
3:26 pm
2013 Draft Order and budget allocation
1. Astros ($10,880,000)
2. Cubs ($9,822,500)
3. Rockies ($9,490,700)
4. Twins ($7,700,700)
5. Indians ($7,693,000)
6. Marlins ($8,870,700)
7. Red Sox ($6,341,900)
8. Royals ($7,741,200)
9. *Pirates ($8,226,500)
10. Blue Jays ($5,941,300)
11. Mets ($6,487,300)
12. Mariners ($5,694,600)
13. Padres ($6,330,400)
14. Pirates (see above)
15. Diamondbacks ($6,766,200)
16. Phillies ($5,601,800)
17. Brewers ($5,660,200)
18. White Sox ($4,864,100)
19. Dodgers ($4,780,900)
20. Cardinals ($4,698,300)
21. Tigers ($6,035,500)
22. Angels ($4,584,300)
23. Rays ($4,525,900)
24. Orioles ($5,940,000)
25. Rangers ($4,419,900)
26. Athletics ($5,541,900)
27. Giants ($4,317,500)
28. Braves ($4,266,800)
29. Yankees ($4,216,300)
30. Reds ($5,596,600)
31. Nationals ($4,116,500)
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:30 pm
Atlanta had an ERA a third of a run lower than St Louis and gave up almost 50 fewer runs.
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:31 pm
28th and 4.2 mil? That totally sucks
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:32 pm
how are those budget allocations figured?
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:38 pm
why do the Reds have a higher allocation? Anybody know?
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
why do the Reds have a higher allocation? Anybody know?
Sorry, that was the 2012 budgets, but in the now 2013 order – and some of the teams had more money because of supplemental draft choices, I think.
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
3:50 pm
so we draft 28th but 4.2 mil is not this year’s total?
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
4:06 pm
It’ll be more than that. All pick values will be more as revenues grew. Also, provided they receive a pick for Michael Bourn departing, they will have more to spend because of that extra pick – up to $1.5 million more.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
4:08 pm
I’d rather go the trade route.
Just as long as that doesn’t mean trading a top prospect for Willingham…
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
4:13 pm
Just as long as that doesn’t mean trading a top prospect for Willingham…
Sure thing. Delgado isn’t prospect eligible any longer.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
4:24 pm
Or a former top prospect.
kenhotlanta
October 14th, 2012
4:32 pm
keyLargo: I have had Dish for about 2 years and they have never gone offline, plus I like their DVR. Except for the issue with AMC and briefly with Fox Sports South, they have given me very good service.
I would prefer Comcast because they have a lot more free stuff On Demand (especially current TV shows that I might miss), but I can’t get Comcast right now.
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
I guess Directv is doing so much negative advertising about lack of HD and lack of channels that Dish has taken a beating. Plus I don’t think you can get MLB.TV on DISH>
keyLargo
October 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
I guess Directv is doing so much negative advertising about lack of HD and lack of channels that Dish has taken a beating. Plus I don’t think you can get MLB.TV on DISH>
Joe
October 14th, 2012
5:33 pm
So I am a huge braves fan and read about the everywhere I can. I read recently that they are going to have between 30-35 million to spend so here are my thoughts trade hanson to the twins for willingham to play left and go for the big fish hamilton to play center prado will play third and short the time being he will lead off but eventually simmons will move to the leadoff spot
Prado 3b
Simmons ss
Freeman 1b
Hamilton cf
Willingham lf
Mccann c
uggla 2b
Heyward rf
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
5:36 pm
Delgado for Willingham sounds great to me
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
5:41 pm
you need to read more Joe, DOB explained above that they will have 22 mil after raises and such. Since Hamilton will get at least 20 mil, there is no way that they could afford him and Willingham. Plus there is no way they can afford to tie up 20% or more of their payroll in just one player.
While a great dream, I’m afraid that your idea will not come to fruition.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
5:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
No
Lew
October 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
I can pretty much guarantee that no matter who they get this winter, Heyward will not be hitting eighth.
Lew
October 14th, 2012
5:46 pm
With that lineup (improbable though it may be, switch Heyward and Simmons.
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
5:47 pm
cute, but YES!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
in response to the Delgado for Willingham idea
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
5:52 pm
Jason behind Uggla and McCann? You trying to destroy his self-concept?
HooRah
October 14th, 2012
6:03 pm
Delgado is going somewhere. Prepare thyself!!!
Half Empty
October 14th, 2012
6:18 pm
I’d trade Delgado for Willingham in a heartbeat. Where do we sign?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
6:27 pm
Delgado is going somewhere. Prepare thyself!!!
The Braves rotation in 2013?
We’d have been better served to trade Delgado and Minor to get Pence, a guy with 2.5 years of control, and in his prime. We didn’t do that. I wouldn’t trade him for a 34 year old.
Untouchable for a prime player to completely touchable for an aging one? Hmm
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 14th, 2012
6:46 pm
keithlaw @keithlaw
Among the worst ever. And easily remedied with replay. “@BlogOffTheBench: Very very out. Terrible call @keithlaw #umpshow”
Fredo
October 14th, 2012
6:50 pm
infante = in-fon-knee????
Dum-Bass
October 14th, 2012
6:57 pm
Looks like our old friend Sam Holbrook is the first base umpire for the Yanks-Tigers game. How did he garner that since he is blind in one eye? Here’s hoping there is a bloop popup between the first baseman and the right fielder that could/could not be an “infield fly rule” and it kills the Yankees. World War III could start! (Although the Yanks are doing a good job of killing themselves right now) So Sad, So Sad!
Efrim
October 14th, 2012
7:02 pm
We’d have been better served to trade Delgado and Minor to get Pence, a guy with 2.5 years of control, and in his prime. We didn’t do that. I wouldn’t trade him for a 34 year old.
Thank you Frank Wren for not making such an awful trade. Pence is a nice player, but that would of not been smart as we clearly needed a CF at the time.