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MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:36 pm
Chipper Jones .287/.377/.455/.832
Josh Willingham: .261/.362/.483/.845
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:38 pm
you have no proof that Bourn would get 9 hits in 35 at bats, and I said so.
there is no reason for you not to like Willinghan, but I argued no harder for him than you did against him. how exactly is that negative of me? If anything it is nergative of you since you are the one duissing him
as for the self awareness and the snark, that is no different than you usually are and i an certain that other posters recognize that in you.
MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:39 pm
“We need an MVP type player Fin….Gotta step it up to the next level at some point”
Ok. Well the only real option for that is Josh Hamilton in LF for the Braves. [.304/.363/.549/.913]
T-Dawg
October 12th, 2012
5:40 pm
I love how people on this blog only show certain stat categories in order to support their already made conclusions. Must be a lot of MSNBC or Foxnews folks.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:40 pm
nolie can keep talking about this 35 YEAR OLD superstar who is the Braves savior for LF for the rest of the offseason..BravePack
do you think all that hyperbole helps your argument? No body has called him any kind of star and both Scoots and I have said several times that he has warts, so why lie about what we said?
Murph
October 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
Let’s get crazy here for a second:
1. Prado (3B)
2. Heyward (RF)
3. Willingham (LF)
4. Hamilton (CF)
5. Uggla (2B)
6. Freeman (1B)
7. Simmons (SS)
8. BMac (C)
There’s just enough in the coffers to be able to afford both Hamilton and Willingham’s contracts… maybe.
No, not recommending the team do this, just a thought.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:41 pm
Are you really gonna go THERE again?
Chipper @ 33 – .296 .412 .556 .968
Chipper @ 34 – .324 .409 .596 1.005
You gotta look at 2 guys not replacing players by who but by HOW they make a team better
How does he make the team better?
BTW…. 57/51 is what should be looked at…..because thats something that won’t be seen anymore in ATL
MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:42 pm
So would you rather go…
Pagan/Victorino/Bourn & Willingham
OR
Constanza/Schafer & Hamilton
Mountain Braves Fan
October 12th, 2012
5:42 pm
TOBF
Willingham will be 35 next year. He won’t be our savior.
Willingham was born on 2/17/79. Wouldn’t that make him 33 now and 34 in February of 2013?
Murph
October 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
I love how people on this blog only show certain stat categories in order to support their already made conclusions.
wOBA is the only stat that matters. I just figured this out yesterday, though.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
Murph-
Doubtful that would happen….
Have already heard theyre not willing to give anyone that kind of AAV on a deal
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
I don’t think the Braves are going to be bringing in two players over the age of 30 years old into CF and LF. I don;t care that we have three 23 year olds in the everyday lineup. Just doesn’t seem like Wren’s deal. If they trade for Willingham, the other get for CF will be a younger player, imo.
Willingham will be 35 next year. He won’t be our savior.
He is making 7 million dollars a year and his career low for OPS since becoming a regular is .807 in Oakland. He would be a bargain at that rate.
DAP
October 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
ptown I didn’t think it was that dumb….but how does that fix 3/4/5 other than moving Prado to 3 in the order?
youd have to put some guys in places you wouldnt normally, i think. but a 1-5 of pagan, heyward, victorino, prado, freeman will probably be pretty good no matter how you stack them.
MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
“There’s just enough in the coffers to be able to afford both Hamilton and Willingham’s contracts… maybe.”
Yeh, but either Uggla or McCann isn’t coming back. Hamilton is easily at $20 million a year. We have $22 million. Gonna have to get rid of some more payroll to get both those guys. Hamilton and a 500k CF would work though.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
how are we gonna afford Hamilton and another if we have about 22 mil to spend, Murph?
Hamilton will likely get that much or at least close to it on his own.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:44 pm
Yeh, but either Uggla or McCann isn’t coming back…MF
next season? dream on
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:45 pm
T-Dawg-
No, if we were FOXNews folks wouldn’t we just walk around shooting people in the head and making sure we had a camera on us?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
2012 International League Top 20 Prospects
By John Manuel
October 11, 2012
1. Matt Harvey, rhp, Buffalo (Mets)
2. Starling Marte, of, Indianapolis (Pirates)
3. Chris Archer, rhp, Durham (Rays)
4. Julio Teheran, rhp, Gwinnett (Braves)
5. Chris Parmelee, 1b, Rochester (Twins)
6. Ryan Lavarnway, c, Pawtucket (Red Sox)
7. Didi Gregorius, ss, Louisville (Reds)
8. Jacob Turner, rhp, Toledo (Tigers)
9. Jeff Locke, lhp, Indianapolis (Pirates)
10. Tim Beckham, ss, Durham (Rays)
11. Jose Iglesias, ss, Pawtucket (Red Sox)
12. Cory Kluber, rhp, Columbus (Indians)
13. Cody Allen, rhp, Columbus (Indians)
14. Jeurys Famila, rhp, Buffalo (Mets)
15. L.J. Hoes, of, Norfolk (Orioles)
16. Zach McAllister, rhp, Columbus (Indians)
17. Jennry Mejia, rhp, Buffalo (Mets)
18. Casey Crosby, lhp, Toledo (Tigers)
19. Tyler Cloyd, rhp, Lehigh Valley (Phillies)
20. Christian Garcia, rhp, Syracuse (Nationals)
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
DAP-
I agree w/ you completely….but as I said, I was told it was stupid….
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
5:46 pm
34…
I’m not totally against Willingham, but if we’re gonna be trading a top prospect for him, he’d better be a complete player. Pence was one and we didn’t trade Minor to get him. Teheran/Gilmartin/Delgado/Graham are off limits.
T-Dawg
October 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
Murph
October 12th, 2012
5:43 pm
I love how people on this blog only show certain stat categories in order to support their already made conclusions.
wOBA is the only stat that matters. I just figured this out yesterday, though
Thanks Murph aka Bill O’Rielly you just proved my point.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
Teheran was the IL’s most valuable pitcher and wins leader (15) in 2011, but his ERA nearly doubled this year as he gave up 18 homers—nearly matching the total from his first pro four seasons. Managers either didn’t want to discuss Teheran’s troubles publicly or couldn’t put their finger on why he struggled.
Teheran’s fastball just wasn’t the same 93-95 mph premium pitch that it used to be, dropping to 91-93 and sitting flatter up in the strike zone. Some scouts speculated that his move to the first-base side of the rubber cost him deception on the pitch, which hitters sat on and hammered. He didn’t throw strikes with either his curve or the slider he used more later in the season, though his fading, sinking changeup remains a plus pitch.
“I saw him throw well,” said Syracuse manager Tony Beasley, whose Chiefs beat Teheran 1-0 in mid-August. “He had fastball command and got some confidence. The stuff and the numbers didn’t add up, because he was on the good side with all his stuff on that day.”
MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
nolie – Murph said it, not me. Gotta get rid of Uggla or McCann to avoid Willingham and Hamilton. No way around it.
Braves aren’t going after Hamilton though. Frank Wren already made that clear.
I could see Pagan/Victorino at $7-9 million and Willingham at $7 million, with $6-8 million left over to pocket or use on the bench.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:47 pm
Efrim-
Um, and thats why the Twins will try to FOXNews us to give him up…..or Penn State us if you don’t get the first one….
old man
October 12th, 2012
5:49 pm
Here are Pagan’s monthly splits last year:
2012 M/A .250 .281 .478 .760
2012 May .375 .422 .462 .884
2012 Jun .245 .302 .306 .608
2012 Jul .210 .244 .309 .553
2012 Aug .342 .415 .588 1.003
2012 S/O .276 .317 .448 .765
And for his career:
M/A .240 .305 .375 .681
May .344 .397 .466 .863
Jun .281 .346 .394 .740
Jul .259 .303 .424 .727
Aug .291 .335 .477 .812
S/O .277 .327 .391 .718
He had one real bad month last year, but compared to others we have, this does not seem very streaky to me. Pretty consistent. No swoon at the end.
Murph
October 12th, 2012
5:50 pm
Thanks Murph aka Bill O’Rielly you just proved my point.
That’s probably the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me on this blog, and that includes Shaun’s condescending Assbooger’s Syndrome rants.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:50 pm
To me, it just doesn’t make sense to invest as much as the Braves did in Teheran, and to sell low on him this offseason. He was too good a prospect, and is still only 21 years old – a year younger than Delgado.
And again, the Braves had Delgado traded to Chicago for 2 months of a 36 year old pitcher.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:50 pm
truly a head scratcher about Teheran, with no indication so far that he is hurt in any way.
anybody can jump from AAA to the majors and be a disappointment, but back to back AAA seasons do not usually change for the worse that drastically. ??
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
Thing is, I am thoroughly against JW because of what I feel will take to get him….
If it were another Wren type deal like he did over the Marlins with, then I’d probably not be as upset….
But giving up Delgado/Graham/Teheran or anyone at that level for Josh Willingham is just ridiculous
Murph
October 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
how are we gonna afford Hamilton and another if we have about 22 mil to spend, Murph?
Backload his contract, of course. $15mil this season, $22mil next season, $25mil in 2015, etc.
I didn’t say it was a good idea, but it could be done.
MFin04
October 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
“Braves had Delgado traded to Chicago for 2 months of a 36 year old pitcher.”
I go back and forth on this one. Just because our front office was stupid, doesn’t mean we have to be!
I don’t think we should give Delgado away, but if they are gonna give him away, Willingham is a better choice than Dempster.
TK
October 12th, 2012
5:51 pm
I would not mind seeing the Braves talk with the Red Sox about Will Middlebrooks. With Bobby V gone from the Red Sox. They could bring back fan favorite Kevin Youkilis for 3rd. Middlebrooks would not be cheap. But, you get a young right handed bat that you can put between Heyward and Freeman. Leave Prado in LF or move him back to 2nd if you can trade Uggla for a LF (wishing on the last part). Victorino for CF if price and years are right.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:52 pm
Kelly (Atlanta Georgia): Despite his struggles this year, would you still consider Teheran to be the Braves’ #1 overall prospect?
John Manuel: Truth be told, I’m not sure who the Braves’ No. 1 prospect is right now. It should be Andrelton Simmons, but he logged too much MLB time. Among pitchers, I almost prefer J.R. Graham; always liked the quick-armed, athletic little guys who spin it and throw hard. Terehan’s breaking ball always was a question mark. Now you throw in a velocity dip and iffy fastball command … doesn’t sound like a No. 1 to me. I like Sean Gilmartin and Lucas Sims but not over Teheran right now, and Christian Betancourt doesn’t hit enough to be a No. 1. It’s a vexing question. If I had to pick right now, I suppose it would be Graham for me, and believe me, I’m shocked that I am saying that.
Hah! Wow. Sigh…..
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:53 pm
Efrim-
Thing is, I talked to some around the Chi area in the know and there isn’t a single person there that truly believes that Randall Delgado was for sure THE guy on the table….
So outside of Bowman, where has it been completely unequivocally established that Delgado was headed to Chicago
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
5:54 pm
Willingham will be 35 next year. He won’t be our savior.
He is making 7 million dollars a year and his career low for OPS since becoming a regular is .807 in Oakland. He would be a bargain at that rate. — Efrim
You gotta understand, some people here don’t see how he’s a better fit on a team with a $92 million payroll than the baggage-heavy Rangers OF who’ll make THREE TIMES that much and command a contract of at least 6-7 years. No reasoning with folks like that, for one reason: They’re star-struck. No offense to those folks, but the whole Hamilton story, plus the home-run derby episode and the Sports Illustrated cover, makes them push aside all logic and any flaws he might have, and disregard the fact that Texas with its much higher payroll and its connection to Hamilton, knows enough that the Rangers are seriously considering not re-signing him.
Star-struck. That is the only way someone can look at Hamilton’s track record, his missed games for issues from too many energy drinks to … well, we don’t need to go there –and conclude that at more than $20 million a year, at age 32 (in May), he’s a wise investment for a team with a mid-market payroll. They really believe that paying Hamilton more than 20 percent of the entire payroll, and paying him that huge salary until he’s 37 or 38 years old, is a wise investment.
A guy who, in six seasons, has only once played more than 148 games and who has had games-played totals of 90, 89, 133 and 121 — and that’s when he was 30 and younger!
So there’s not much reason to try to convince them otherwise.
“He’ll put fannies in the seats.” That’s the kind of logic we’re dealing with. In a town where no player, from Gary Sheffield to Mark Teixeira to Jason Heyward, has had any recognizable affect on attendance that declined for nearly a decade and finally stayed about the same the past couple of seasons.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
5:54 pm
Joe R. (Newport News, VA): Teheran’s struggles remind me of Chris Tillman, in a way — a very young pitcher dominating at AAA then struggling the following year(s). Is it possible that the struggles are due to simple physical maturity — mechanics that worked before don’t work as the pitcher gets bigger/stronger?
John Manuel: I have not heard that explanation; it’s worth asking about, and the comparison to Tillman is an intriguing one. Tillman regained fastball velocity this year and found an answer to LH hitters. That’s not Teheran’s problem; with his changeup he handled LH hitters better than RH ones. He lost velo and didn’t locate well enough, but most of the managers I talked to thought his biggest issue was confidence. He pitched with a lot of swagger last year and this year, without the 95-96 when he wanted it, he just didn’t have the same confidence and mound poise.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
Thing is, I am thoroughly against JW because of what I feel will take to get him…P-Town
I have said several times that he is probably gonna cost more than Wren will give, and i understand and agree with that if they want too much.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
5:56 pm
Here’s a puzzler for some….
How do the Atlanta Braves have 3 pitchers who all of a sudden lose their velocity….?
JJ, Hanson, Teheran
How does this happen and to the same organization in such a short amount of time?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
5:57 pm
And again, the Braves had Delgado traded to Chicago for 2 months of a 36 year old pitcher.
Just because we were stupid then doesn’t mean we need to be stupid now.
People can’t easily say that Teheran is our #1 prospect? Sigh… what a shame
Sopheee
October 12th, 2012
5:59 pm
Did Yankee fans forget there was a game today?
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
how are we gonna afford Hamilton and another if we have about 22 mil to spend, Murph
Backload his contract, of course. $15mil this season, $22mil next season, $25mil in 2015, etc. — Murph
Yes, by all means, pay him $30 million in 2016 and $35 million in 2017, when he’s 36. That’d be a great economic situation for a team with a mid-market payroll, not to mention a team with a bad TV contract that will prevent them from raking in the revenues that many big-market teams have or will have with their upcoming exponentially increased TV deals.
Brave New World
October 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
The team that signs Josh Hamilton to a 5 year deal for $25 million or so will come to regret that decision big time.
Murph
October 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
Did Yankee fans forget there was a game today?
Seems like their hitters forgot.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:01 pm
TOBF, Manual can’t, but that doesn’t mean others won’t.
I’d still say the Braves Top 5 prospects are Teheran, Graham, Sims, Bethancourt, and Gilmartin. No particular order, although that’s probably mine.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
DOB-
About 90% of us don’t agree that we have enough for Hamilton….
Its more about Willingham v the Field….not Hamilton
Murph
October 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
Don’t be that way, DOB. You clearly glossed over the last sentence of that post where I said it wasn’t a good idea, but could be done.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:03 pm
How does this happen and to the same organization in such a short amount of time?
You must not follow the Baltimore Orioles and every top pitching prospect they have had over the last 6-8 years.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
6:04 pm
People regret any decision involving that kind of money….
But usually its the YEARS you regret and not the AAV if you can afford it….
Anyways gotta jet yall
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:05 pm
unfortunately Bal’mer isn’t hitting either. Go Birds!!!
N8
October 12th, 2012
6:06 pm
Trey, i told you georgia was over rated chokers and south carolina would crush them, told you assclown!!!
brian
October 12th, 2012
6:06 pm
Hamilton will not and should not be a Brave.
How much are the Yankees loving ARod’s contract right now?
Their $25 million man gets benched for a deciding game in a playoff series.
jj
October 12th, 2012
6:07 pm
First the Twins don’t wish to trade Willingham who has two more years at very reasonal $7 million a year. If they did trade him they would want the farm for him and like DOB said two of out best young pitchers plus…I say hell no.
Food for though..Jeff Keppinger 325-9-40 Rays rumor may trade..He can play 3rd which he did alot this year and 2b.
Eric Chavez NNY 3b Rumors to be traded.
Scott Hairston 262-20-57 plays all OF positions all masy be traded.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:08 pm
I’m actually not as worried about trading some of our prospects that can provide now value. I still believe we will go the trade route rather than sign high priced free agents – even Pagan especially if he’s going to ask for 4-5 years and 10-12 million per year.
If they don’t sign Nick Swisher or B.J. Upton(and I don’t think they will because of price), they will be getting TWO Top 40 draft selections in 2013. And even if it’s not a strong draft, that’s providing the farm with two players that will most likely be thrust into their Top 10 prospects and that’s pretty good. And yes, most all first rounders end up in teams Top 10 lists – unless they really screw up the pick.
Based on how down some of the other farm systems are around baseball, as of right now the Braves are in the 15-18 range in terms of org. rankings and that isn’t too bad.
Mountain Braves Fan
October 12th, 2012
6:11 pm
Alex Gordon is a fine defensive outfielder and has the potential to be a solid offensive contributor, but does he really fit the skill set the Braves need, given that he bats left handed and the Braves lineup is already too left handed? Does it make sense to have your three best hitters (Heyward, Gordon, Freeman), arguably your four best hitters if McCann gets the shoulder fixed and returns to his normal self, all hit from the left side? Major league lineups need balance, not vulnerability.
Heyward and Freeman are the foundation and future of the team. What they need to continue to develop as major league hitters is a right handed presence hitting between them in the lineup to take the pressure off, especially against LHP. The Braves have been searching for that elusive right handed power bat for some time. That Uggla has not proven to be the answer is no reason to stop looking. I believe Chipper’s retirement, and more budget flexibility than the Braves have had in some time, may be the catalysts Wren needs to finally fill this need and bring balance to the lineup.
Many people on here think that Josh Willingham is too old and too injury prone to be the solution to the Braves right handed cleanup hitter problem. Willingham (2/17/79) is almost two years younger than Carlos Beltran (4/24/77), another player purportedly too old and too injured to make a difference, and we all know how that worked out for St. Louis. And comparatively, two years of Willingham ($14 million) can be had for almost the price of the one remaining year for Beltran ($13 million). In terms of health, no player of whatever age comes with guarantees, but with Willingham the potential reward far outweighs the risk.
Alex Gordon is a fine complimentary player but he is not a cleanup hitter. He had 14 HRs and 72 RBIs and 140 Ks in 642 ABs. In contrast, Willingham hit 15 HRs in 156 ABs versus LHP, and had 35 HRs and 110 RBIs overall. Like most left handed hitting outfielders, Gordon struggled against LHP (.668 OPS). His presence in the lineup will not take any pressure off Heyward and Freeman versus LHP. If we thought teams were lining up their left handed starters to face the Braves this season, imagine what they would do next season with Chipper out of the lineup and Gordon in it.
Willingham has a unique skill set that only a handful of even remotely available players possess, so naturally he will be costly to acquire. Teams trade from positions of strength (in the case of the Braves, pitching) to fill perceived needs (right handed power bat). That is what GMs do. The Twins desperately need pitching, the Braves need a right handed power bat. Good match.
Some would argue it makes no sense to trade a promising young pitcher that the team could control for six or more years for two years of any hitter. Wren knows that, as things stand now, neither Randall Delgado nor Julio Teheran has a spot in the Braves 2013 rotation. Both have tremendous potential, but to this point the only thing either of them has proven is that they are not yet good enough to pitch their way into the Braves starting rotation. Willingham is a proven commodity. Teams change every year, and two years is an eternity in terms of what Willingham could do to help Heyward and Freeman develop, give balance to the lineup, and help the Braves possibly win the division instead of settling for the wildcard lottery. Willingham is not the only right handed power bat out there, but he might just be the best fit for the Braves. DOB got it right.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:11 pm
SS Nick Ahmed on base four times today for Phoenix in the Arizona Fall League. 3 for 3 with a 2B and a BB.
Murph
October 12th, 2012
6:13 pm
SS Nick Ahmed on base four times today for Phoenix in the Arizona Fall League. 3 for 3 with a 2B and a BB.
Trade him while he still has some value!
CB
October 12th, 2012
6:13 pm
Fire Simmons! Bring up Ahmed!
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
6:14 pm
First the Twins don’t wish to trade Willingham who has two more years at very reasonal $7 million a year. If they did trade him they would want the farm for him and like DOB said two of out best young pitchers plus…I say hell no. — jj
I did NOT say two of the best young pitchers plus. Not sure where you saw that, but it wasn’t anything I wrote.
I said it’d be costly and that if it were me, I’d be willing to give up one of the top pitching prospects in a deal.
GTSteve
October 12th, 2012
6:16 pm
Bring back Nate…..If the Orioles win today, he will prolly be the MVP of the series…lol
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:16 pm
I might prefer Zobrist from the Rays, Jefferson has been kinda up and down guy, Zobrist only one poor year
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:18 pm
Maybe Wren can get Ryan liquored up and trade him Spruill and Ahmed for Willingham. I hear those Winter Meeting trade talks can be done in a hotel room with a bottle of scotch and a cigar…..
Speaking of which, I need a drink….and a cigar.
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
6:19 pm
The Braves can definitely be players for his services. Call KC and see what they want for Alex Gordon. He can play either LF or 3B and has had two solid seasons. The Royals need pitching and might part with Gordon. Other OF options are available as well. I wouldn’t touch the Upton brothers, especially BJ as his numbers this year were clearly the result of a contract year.
For CF, I would make the attempt to resign Bourn, but don’t go to far over what you really want to offer him. If it doesn’t work out, then make an attempt to get another leadoff type hitter in his place. Pagan’s OBP looks rather bleak for someone who plays a position where you need a leadoff type of hitter, so I would stay away from him. Banned Poster (who’s not actually banned, but we’ll let him call himself that anyway if it makes him feel like he’s “gone rogue”)
1. Alex Gordon is left-handed and the Braves (badly) need right-handed hitters, not yet another lefty.
2. You said you’d stay away from Pagan and not over-spend for Bourn. So would you just go with Constanza in CF, since you made no suggestions on how to fill that spot?
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:19 pm
Hey, DOB how about some help with the nolie impersonator??????????
N8
October 12th, 2012
6:19 pm
nolie, how about mccan and prado for kyle kendrick and dom brown
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:20 pm
Tex with a stolen base.
Matt Wieters is a good player, but wow, has he not hit near what folks thought he was going to do.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:22 pm
Someone is stealing monikers. Lame.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
6:23 pm
Gordon hit leadoff quite a bit this year… had some last year as well. Hit 23 HR (87 RBI) in 2011, so he does have power.
jj
October 12th, 2012
6:24 pm
I stand corrected then DOB. I too would give up one for him..
I thought I read that somewhere?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:25 pm
It’s amazing how little RH power there is in baseball now. Just not available. Lots of LH hitters.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
6:25 pm
Maybe Wren can get Ryan liquored up and trade him Spruill and Ahmed for Willingham.
Switch Ahmed w/ Salcedo, maybe? From what I’ve read, Ahmed is thought of well, could be our 2nd baseman by 2015.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:26 pm
A middle of the order of Heyward, Gordon, Uggla, Freeman, McCann would get pretty chewed up by LHP’s. Especially late in the game vs. LH relievers – in the playoffs….for sure.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:26 pm
I doubt that hitting lead off cut his homers much, I think 23 is an outrider so far
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:28 pm
There are prospects you don’t trade, and Ahmed isn’t really one of them – especially with the presence of Simmons.
phil
October 12th, 2012
6:29 pm
Venice Jim
October 11th, 2012
11:07 pm
phil is very touchy about things that bother him – but he loves the fact that his Mac hatred helped drive McFann off the blog.
*************
good one, VJ….i guess she drove herself away.
And the late night phil post or two wasn’t me.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:31 pm
phil don’t care who he drives away VJ. big ol’ meanie……
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
6:31 pm
He’s got good gap power… averages just over 40 a year. Prado was only Braves to reach that total this year, w. 41. Gordon set a career high w/ 51 doubles this season.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:32 pm
outrider? hmmm. back to my cowboying days…. Outlier
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:33 pm
Teheran, Graham, Bethancourt, Sims, Gilmartin, Spruill, Salcedo, Ahmed, Lipka, M. Cabrera, Wood, Peraza, Merejo, Gattis, Kubitza, Cunningham, Terdoslavich, Martin, Jaime, Moore – guess those would be my Top 20.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:33 pm
only thing I have against Gordon is that he is a lefty 238 .311 .389 .700
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:34 pm
pretty sad Ef
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:36 pm
Gotta be honest, huge J.R. Graham fan. How can you not love a 6′0” footer who throws mid-high 90’s, and can hold it through a start?
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:38 pm
he’ll be throwing 89 soon, has to fit in
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
6:39 pm
nolie: That’s first I was made aware of the nolie impersonator. Gone now. Banned. Let me know if another shows up, or the same one with different IP address. We’ll ban him/her too. Thanks.
darrell starks
October 12th, 2012
6:40 pm
Braves never listen to me if so atleast 2 worldseries since i became a blogg fanatic in 2010.
David O’ Brien, tell the Braves Owner ship to call me ASAP.
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:40 pm
pretty sad Ef
Yes. But…..at least there is a glimmer of some high upside arms/bats in the low-low minors. I really didn;t see that a year ago, noles. It was frightening. Got none of that from the drafts from 2009-2011. 2012 was solid in that regard, and they did well on the international front in the 2010 crop(Cabrera, Peraza, Sanchez).
I’m hoping for another strong 2013 draft and it really looks like Teheran will be the only one who isn;t prospect eligible next year at this time. Should be a better group provided they make good decisions.
I still sorta wish they drafted Richie Shaffer. But maybe they will go bats this next one. I do like Sims though. But Shaffer looks really good. Rays always do their thing.
Nowhere man
October 12th, 2012
6:42 pm
Chipper E. Jones was wearing his stetson while driving down peachtree today.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:42 pm
Thank you David, it had just started. We nipped it in the bud, bud
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:43 pm
he’ll be throwing 89 soon, has to fit in
Depressing. Hanson’s regression has been the saddest thing for this franchise. But at the same time, Medlen and Beachy’s out of nowhere above averageness is a great thing. Guess that’s the way it goes. Can’t hit on every prospect……unless you’re the St. Louis Cardinals.
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:43 pm
too bad you won’t walk up to Chipper and tell him what you think of him
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
6:45 pm
C.C. Sabathia and Matt Holliday. Can anyone else think of two better long term, 100M+ contracts that have worked out?
darrell starks
October 12th, 2012
6:46 pm
2013 ATLANTA BRAVES
1. CONSTANZA CF
2. SIMMONS SS
3. PRADO 3B
4. HAMILITON LF
5. HEYWARD RF
6. FREEMAN 1B
7. UGGLA 2B
8. MCCANN CATCHER
BRAVES WIN A TITLE IN 2013
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:49 pm
guess we are doomed to lose again….
Nowhere man
October 12th, 2012
6:49 pm
Chipper may have a stetson but I have a black belt among other skills so I am not worried.
Nowhere man
October 12th, 2012
6:51 pm
Maybe the imposter was Joe Biden. I told you old and cranky would fit right in.
phil
October 12th, 2012
6:51 pm
Well crap, Dave banned the nolie impersonator?
nolie
October 12th, 2012
6:51 pm
yeah right, that belt made outta bull ??
Nowhere man
October 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
Why does everyone hate constanza
Murph
October 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
I’m still here!
phil
October 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
A black belt?
Of course….
Where’s my world series ring?
Jimmy
October 12th, 2012
6:53 pm
That hit by Nate DID hit the foul pole. The blown-up replays clearly show a change in direction. How the umps didn’t see that, I don’t know.
Except it was against the NYY.
Honestly, homerun. Should be 1-1.
So the infamous ‘replay” got it wrong. We’ll hear about this later.