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uga-brave
October 12th, 2012
1:41 am
cc and gio. both at home.
will one of these two lose?
love elimination games.
David O'Brien
October 12th, 2012
1:55 am
Despite the willingness of DOB and many on this blog to trade away Delgado for a 34-year old veteran, he could be a big part of the future of this club. — jim
Actually I’d be more willing to trade away Teheran than Delgado.
uga-brave
October 12th, 2012
2:05 am
dob, have you been catching up on BOSS?
really good show. for those that are not up on it.
jj
October 12th, 2012
2:50 am
I dont like any of these options. get me the Upton brothers
Rafael
October 12th, 2012
3:30 am
Reed “NO upside” Johnson WILL be the Brave’s 2013 opening day starting CF.
You can laugh and scoff at this, but I KNOW how Frank Wren and Liberty CHEAPIA work. “Journeyman” BUM Reed Johnson is their type of player… “AFFORDABLE.”
Just watch, our starting OF for 2013 will be “Double Play” Matt Diaz (Fredi’s nephew) in LF, Reed “NO upside” Johnson in CF, and Jason Heyward in RF.
Oh yes, as horrific as it sounds, Matt Diaz is NOT going to go away. Diaz is a stiff who could NOT make ANY other MLB roster; however, our Braves seem to love this NO-talent BUM who (and I quote the AJC) “managed to keep his sense of humor despite the Brave’s playoff collaspe.”
Matt Diaz “rakes lefthanders you know.” Yes, about TEN (10) years ago.
Ward
October 12th, 2012
3:51 am
Hello everyone! I didn’t realize that Upton had a high salary contract. I would say the Braves won’t be interested in him. Braves will get some one, but within the budget. I also think he will be good, but not expensive. Wren has plans, but not going after really high priced players that won’t amount to much. He want’s players at the right price, who can actually play. High priced players, are not always what they appear to be. I think Wren want’s to sign the right one, and not get cheated again. He will get us that player, but just not over spend, and get burned. I think Wren will look for chemistry instead of a player who just want’s to be paid. A team player……
Ward
October 12th, 2012
3:54 am
I don’t think Wren will over trade either. I think he will get some one big, but not at the expense……..Just my take…..
Ward
October 12th, 2012
3:57 am
All, I looking forward to the winter meetings…….Will be interesting to see where Wren goes. I feel he will improve the Braves……All, have a good one, and Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk tomorrow……
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
4:07 am
Matt Diaz “rakes lefthanders you know.” Yes, about TEN (10) years ago
Thanks for putting the number in parenthesis. I’m a huge baseball fan and I can read numbers but not numbers spelled out. Finally someone who gets me.
Oh, and hey, Ward.
DS1
October 12th, 2012
4:47 am
Insomnia sucks!!
Bo Graves, or should I say Bo Geaves?
(and I hope FW invites Matt Diaz to spring with an offer of a minor league contract, to see if he still rakes. MD is an incredibly nice person, and I’d love to know four shore whether he is finished or not, and not take the word of some less than intelligent bloggers)
DS1
October 12th, 2012
4:50 am
DOB
In case you pick up this question, do you think Martin Prado has a preference of where he would like to play, in a perfect world? Or is he really the true team guy that will play anywhere and love it?
We need to ink this guy for 4-5 years four shore.
DS1
October 12th, 2012
4:51 am
Tinnitus Sucks too!
ncgary
Prayers are going up for you tonight, my friend. Hang in there buddy!
DS1
October 12th, 2012
4:54 am
At least with the Braves dropping out of the playoffs, it made it an easy choice for me to watch the VP debate last night. Not going to comment on who I thought won. Doesn’t matter, as nobody votes because they like a guy’s running mate. Kinda like me saying I really follow the Braves because I just LOVE their front office folks.
But it was interesting viewing four shore.
DS1
October 12th, 2012
4:56 am
Going to go try it again. G’nite silent blog! This is why I don’t keep a gun around the house!
Bill M.
October 12th, 2012
7:08 am
Stay away from Willingham, Swisher & C. Ross. Trade for the snakes Parra and sign Pagan. Pitching & defense is the way to go. Do not trade Delgado or Teheran. Trade Hanson and pick up McCann’s option and let him and Hudson go in 2014. The Braves have alot of pitching but no power pitching. Spend the money on Greinke, since he’s from Florida, I believe the Braves would have a chance to sign him.
Disgusted
October 12th, 2012
7:38 am
I would not be so quick on letting Hudson go — even after 2013.
If he has a good ‘13, the Braves might be wise to give him two or three yrs even at his advanced age . Huddy might even give a reasonble hometown discount so long as LM does not insult him.
I agree with Bill M about holding on to Delgado and Teheran (unless someone blows us away). And I do want to sign Pagan. There should be enough $$$$$$$ to sign him.
There is not a heck of alot for LF, we might have to go with a cheap platoon for LF.
Reed Johnson is going to be a part of this team in 2013 and a substantial one. And no way we are bringing back Hinske and Diaz, FW will find better players without spending alot.
We might even be competitive again (we have under Wren) but then we will have the post season blues again, post season failures alwaays will happen even if Joe Spend corp ran the team. We will win about 90 again and lose the WC game again. That is the best we can ope for.
Peter
October 12th, 2012
7:46 am
Please fire Wren……… I have been talking all along how we had the pieces in place, Blanco and infante……. Please look at what they did to help their clubs move on in the playoffs the past series.
Blanco was sent packing because of the lack of Pop in his bat, but scored yesterday, and hit a home run the day before. Infante was sent packing for Uggla…. and he scored the winning run the night before and another last night batting .353 for the series. The Braves have Uggla the walk machine, and 218 hitter.
We had the ability to play small ball with both of those players. Instead we oped to go for a Softball format with Ankiel, and Uggla… Ankiel is out of baseball, and well Uggla…..who knows if he will ever live up to the HUGE Contract he was given……DUMB in my opinion.
Talk about incredible..Bourne led the majors in steals until he gets HERE !
Now we are looking to fill the shoes of a center fielder…… All we would have needed was one outfielder as Prado could have played third next year. Infante was a multi position player, and was great as a Brave.
DUMB, DUMB, DUMB……. So when one of those guys who seems a heck of allot more clutch then we have currently……wins a Title….. I will keep talking about how ridicules WREN and the Braves management actually are.
The Braves need a New GM, and new management……. Or we can just keep fielding a softball type team, and hope we shut out everyone we play…that would do it wouldn’t it ?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
7:47 am
I’m sure we can get a player we control for longer by trading Teheran. The Royals may be trading either Myers or Gordon (more likely Gordon though)
There may also be an MLB ready prospect who is blocked… I’d look there. Not really excited about trading a top arm for a 34 yr old Willingham. We didn’t add Minor to get Pence in his prime, but I sure hoped they would.
Carl Farvman
October 12th, 2012
7:52 am
“id offer bourne 2 yrs at 25 million or whatever ……….”
I’ve never read a sports board that has a bunch of GMs cutting and pasting salary info and, then, declaring all the moves they would make. If left to these folks we’d have a mess of a team with an average age of about 35.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
7:52 am
Diamondbacks Considering Trading Kubel Or Parra
By Mark Polishuk [October 11 at 10:17pm CST]
The Diamondbacks are weighing whether Jason Kubel or Gerardo Parra is a better fit as their everyday left fielder in 2012, GM Kevin Towers tells Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic. The Snakes are also looking for help at shortstop and third base this winter, and Towers said those decisions will affect the direction that Arizona takes in left field.
Piecoro projects the 2013 D’Backs outfield as Justin Upton remaining with the team and playing right field, Adam Eaton playing center, and one of Kubel or Parra in left, leaving A.J. Pollock as the fourth outfielder. The loser of the Kubel/Parra decision would become expendable along with Chris Young, who has already been rumored to be on the trading block. Young is owed $8.5MM in 2013 and his $11MM option for 2014 carries a $1.5MM buyout, and Piecoro reports that the D’Backs expect to eat some of that money in any Young trade.
Kubel signed a two-year, $15MM deal with Arizona last December and he hit 30 homers with a .253/.328/.506 batting line in 2012, though he slumped in the second half of the season, posting just a .745 OPS after the All-Star break. Parra posted a .727 OPS in 430 plate appearances last year and provided his usual excellent glovework, recording a +13.8 UZR/150 rating. It’s a clear choice between hitting and defense for the Snakes, though contracts also play a role — while Kubel will earn $7.5MM next year, Parra is arb-eligible for the second time this winter and is under control through 2015 as a Super Two player.
Towers mentioned how defense was an important factor at Chase Field and that he wanted the team to be less reliant on home runs, leaving Piecoro to speculate that this could mean the D’Backs could move away from Kubel in left and Chris Johnson at third base.
In other team news, Piecoro hears that Trevor Bauer isn’t likely to be traded. D’Backs managing general partner Ken Kendrick sounded critical of Bauer last week, leading to some speculation that the team had soured on the highly-touted 21-year-old. If Arizona actually did make Bauer available, the 2011 third overall pick would instantly become one of the biggest trade chips on the market this offseason.
Carl Farvman
October 12th, 2012
7:57 am
“The Braves have Uggla the walk machine, and 218 hitter.”
Yeah,a lot is made of his walks and some overall key numbers, but having a player like Popeye and his propensity for 2 month slumps is hard to deal with.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
7:57 am
Parra might be a nice addition. Good LF, average CF it appears. He’s averaged 133 games a season, with a .280/.332/.400/.732 line (93 OPS+) and 81 Ks a year.
Carl Farvman
October 12th, 2012
8:00 am
Alert: Those posting thousand word comments should know that the average board groupie will not read it. I read only short postings that are to the point. Perhaps I’m the only one.
flange1
October 12th, 2012
8:02 am
DOB,
I agree with you, I would rather trade Teheran than Delgado.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
8:03 am
Talking Chop @gondeee
Braves extend GM Frank Wren through 2014.
That’s all?
ncgary
October 12th, 2012
8:06 am
well obviously cf a man of your many talents
takes the time out of his day to tell us of our weaknesses
can surely set us straight with his wealth of knowledge
Lew
October 12th, 2012
8:15 am
Nowhere Man – I wouldn’t worry too much about we old timers who know it all cause most of us are sick anyway and maybe you won’t have to listen to us much longer. Then YOU can know it all. We’ll be glad to leave you the knowledge – if only you listen to it.
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
8:23 am
Joe Biden would fit in great on this blog. He’s old, think he knows everything and scoffs at any opinion by anyone else.
Actually, this is true (though I doubt the poster in question sees the irony in his characterization). The veep is kind of a “Oh, horsebleep” guy, and frankly, so am I. The older you are, the more horsebleep you’ve smelled, you tend to recognize the scent awful darn quickly, and you tend to have less patience with the stench.
This forum, by the way, is a most excellent example of this very thing, LOL.
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
8:24 am
I agree with you, I would rather trade Teheran than Delgado.
I believe that would be short-sighted.
kazoo
October 12th, 2012
8:25 am
How pitchers rise and fall. Two years ago–or less–JJ and Hanson looked like studs on the front end of a boss starting staff. And now…? Don’t go after swisher or overpay for anybody who is in their 30s.
flange1
October 12th, 2012
8:32 am
scoots,
I know you have been a JT fan, I have always been an AV and Delgado fan.
I was stunned when Wren traded Delgado to the Cubs for a couple month rental and then was stunned when he traded AV to the Cubs.
I know folks on here wanted AV to start, but I wanted him in the pen. I think his 2013 is going to rival the first year of KRod, and our pen would be really tough with 2 good leftys and 2 power righties.
I hope JT can turn the corner, I really do.
I thought Delgado was turning the corner the same time Minor did, and was getting ready to be a “player” in the rotation.
I really would not have a problem with trading BOTH if we could get a hitter and a Shields like guy for the rotation.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
8:33 am
“Fight The Power!”
“Fight The Power!”
That old Public Enemy Still goes Hard!
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
8:34 am
kazoo
“How pitchers rise and fall. Two years ago–or less–JJ and Hanson looked like studs on the front end of a boss starting staff. And now…? Don’t go after swisher or overpay for anybody who is in their 30s.”
Co-Sign abt Swisher, He’s too streaky and will strike out 125+ times, we alerady have enough hitters who are like that…And good point about both Double J and Big Red….
Lew
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
And how many people wanted to lock up Jurrjens and Hanson to long term contracts two years ago?
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
8:37 am
flange, I really liked Arodys, also. Think he has a good chance to be really good.
I think both Teheran and Delgado are in the Dominican this winter, though I don’t know when they might go. The league starts in the next couple of days, sometime. Maybe we’ll get some indication on Teheran, especially. If he can have some good outings there, then maybe he’s ironed out his mechanical issues. We’ll see.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
8:38 am
BREAKING!
Tom Glavine on 680 The Fan…The Glavinator is good to listen to….
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
8:40 am
And how many people wanted to lock up Jurrjens and Hanson to long term contracts two years ago?
About the same number that wanted all The Latin Trio to join them in the rotation.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:43 am
The Braves announced that they agreed to a contract extension through 2014 with general manager Frank Wren. Wren’s previous contract covered the 2012-13 seasons.
In related moves the Braves promoted Bruce Manno to the role of vice president and assistant GM/player development and John Coppolella to the role of assistant GM.
Well deserved. Although I’m surprised it’s not longer than just a one year extension. Oh well. Happy to see them promote Manno and Coppolella too.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
8:45 am
And how many people wanted to lock up Jurrjens and Hanson to long term contracts two years ago?
Not me. Never did. Wanted JJ traded last season though. Maybe I’ll get my “wish” and Hanson gets traded this winter.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:46 am
I believe that would be short-sighted.
As do I. And I think the Braves still value Teheran more.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
8:50 am
@TOBF
“Not me. Never did. Wanted JJ traded last season though. Maybe I’ll get my “wish” and Hanson gets traded this winter.”
Do you remember a year ago? How the Talk about trading Double J for Adam Jones was the Hot Rumor on The Streets?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
How about Verlander last night? Best pitcher in the sport.
Verlander
F. Hernandez
Kershaw
Price
Sabathia
Strasburg
Weaver
Hamels
Lee
Cain
Halladay(provided he is healthy)
Greinke
Bumgarner
Shields
Cueto
Wainwright
Darvish
Gonzalez
Zimmermann
Lincecum
Just off the top of my head there. Oh, wait. Forgot to put Medlen ahead of Verlander……….
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
8:51 am
I value Teheran more as well, but he does need to show some results. I hope he’s not back at AAA next year, that’d be disappointing.
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
8:52 am
Efrim, I did read one scouting report from mid-August where the guy absolutely trashed Teheran’s breaking ball, gave him a 40 on it and felt he could not project it any better, either. That’s worrisome.
Lew
October 12th, 2012
8:52 am
OnlyBraves – Believe me – there were plenty here who wanted them locked up. I never thought Jurrjens would be with the Braves long term – not with the rest of the younguns in the pipeline.
Still not sure you won’t see Hanson with a tomahawk on his uni next year, though.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:53 am
And there is definitely a few more I left out. Just really early in the morning.
CB
October 12th, 2012
8:55 am
Well, off to Grandfather Mountain this morning! Hoping to see a lot of leaves turning.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:56 am
Efrim, I did read one scouting report from mid-August where the guy absolutely trashed Teheran’s breaking ball, gave him a 40 on it and felt he could not project it any better, either. That’s worrisome.
Is Delgado’s that much better, though? I haven’t seen a good one. The movement on his fastball is certainly better from what I’ve seen.
He needs to work on the slider more. That needs to be incorporated into the mix. Perhaps ditch the curveball all together.
Isn’t it with curves, some guys can spin it and some guys can’t? It’s sort of something that’s just “in the wrist”?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
8:57 am
Zimmermann was 95-96mph last night out of the pen for the Nationals. With his fastball/slider combo, you’d think he’d miss more bats. Nationals have three strong 1/2 starters, man. Sucks.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:00 am
And when you look at Teheran’s release point, it looks like it really would be hard to deliver a consistent 12-6 breaker.
Steve
October 12th, 2012
9:01 am
Agree with all of DOB’s points except for keeping Hanson. The guy may have talent but his fastball has no movement and he can’t hold runners on. The hitch in his throwing motion kills him.
Steve
October 12th, 2012
9:01 am
Agree with all of DOB’s points except for keeping Hason. The guy may have talent but his fastball has no movement and he can’t hold runners on. The hitch in his throwing motion kills him.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
I think stuff wise, the top 6 up there would have to be on their own island:
Verlander
F. Hernandez
Kershaw
Price
Sabathia
Strasburg
Cain, Hamels and Lee aren’t too far off. Weaver really succeeds off that deception.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
Do you remember a year ago? How the Talk about trading Double J for Adam Jones was the Hot Rumor on The Streets?
I believe they wanted Prado too? I wouldn’t have done that. JJ straight up for something, anything. Not the “Greinke-like return” that Frank wanted. I was really concerned about his knee; he’d also been injured in 2 straight 2nd halves.
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
9:06 am
He needs to work on the slider more. That needs to be incorporated into the mix. Perhaps ditch the curveball all together.
Whatever, can’t be a top starter without a breaking ball, unless you’re gonna channel Mario Soto or something.
One guy says he was tipping pitches, one guy says he’s dropping on his back leg too much, one guy says he’s showing the ball too much out of his hand, yada yada yada. Who knows? A top kid such as Teheran has a bad year, and folks start looking for all sorts of things to point to as the reason.
phil
October 12th, 2012
9:06 am
I just saw that Bobbi Christina is engaged….
phil
October 12th, 2012
9:07 am
Of course I have no actual idea who the heck she is….
and good morning all!
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:09 am
A top kid such as Teheran has a bad year, and folks start looking for all sorts of things to point to as the reason.
Very true. I still value the kid more than Delgado and I think most of the baseball world does, including Frank Wren.
phoenix
October 12th, 2012
9:11 am
First, thank God DOB isn’t running the Braves. Second, a contract extension for the GM who is paying $13 million a year to Dan Uggla: who has single-handedly kept the Braves OUT of the playoffs for 2 straight years.
Yep, makes sense to me.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:11 am
Johnny Cueto is a nice reminder that short guys can be frontline guys. He’s what, 5′10”?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:13 am
Second, a contract extension for the GM who is paying $13 million a year to Dan Uggla: who has single-handedly kept the Braves OUT of the playoffs for 2 straight years.
Yep, makes sense to me.
Again, same as folks not looking around the league at some of the other starting rotations. If the Uggla contract is Frank Wren’s big zero, then he’s among the Top 10 in the sport(which I think he is). GM’s make terrible decisions every year, Wren really doesn’t. He’s a strong GM.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:15 am
Reds had 4 starters top 200 innings – Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroryo and Mike Leake, their 5th starter finish with 179 – which would of tied for the lead on the Braves with Mike Minor and Tim Hudson.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
9:15 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:02 am
Do you remember a year ago? How the Talk about trading Double J for Adam Jones was the Hot Rumor on The Streets?—T-Hawkin
“I believe they wanted Prado too? I wouldn’t have done that. JJ straight up for something, anything.”
They Did:
They Wanted both Martini and Double J plus one of our young pitchers (Teheran, The Viz, or Delgado, pick your poison) If I’m not Mistaking?
What Is the Word on The Viz (A. Vizcaino) Is he gonna be able to start rehab by Opening Day?
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:15 am
Yeah, for the record (and Murph can look this up) I was a big proponent of trading Jurrjens when his value was sky high (a couple years ago in July when his ERA was like, .01)
Lew
October 12th, 2012
9:17 am
How many starters on the Reds are still healthy?
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
9:19 am
Yeah, for the record (and Murph can look this up) I was a big proponent of trading Jurrjens when his value was sky high
I’ll vouch for that, so that Murph doesn’t have to look it up.
Though I pretty much thought you were on crack to want to trade the guy who should have been starting the All-Star game that year. Even foreseeing the guy’s demise, it still would have been hard to pull the trigger on such a deal.
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:21 am
I was just a proponent of selling high. I won’t claim to have anticipated Jurrjens’ fall off the face of the Earth
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:22 am
How many starters on the Reds are still healthy?
4. Cueto hurt his back.
Pitching 200 innings is still a good thing, no matter what happened to Cueto in game one.
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:25 am
But I figured since the Braves had the 2nd lowest ERA before the All Star Break, and since Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino were all waiting in the wings, that trading our top starter (at a time when he was performing beyond his limits) wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2011/seasontype/2/split/181/league/nl
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:26 am
Today, what would we get for Jurrjens? Mitchell?
JW
October 12th, 2012
9:28 am
It’s ashame really…I think we could have beaten any team that’s left in the National league. Infield fly rule
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:28 am
Morning all!
Nice to wake up and head to work listening to Brian Kelly talk about ND on Mike & Mike for College Gameday and also great to hear Frank Wren was extended another year and Bruce Manno promoted….
TOBF-
Great find on the DBacks article…..Me, I have always been greatly enamored w/ Parra from afar and I think he’d be a good get for the team if they wanted to put him out in CF….rocket arm too so no more Bourn and McLouth lollipop throws into 2b….
My only real concern w/ him is whether he will hit away from Chase because I think the D is there wherever they put him….AND I think he would be a good leadoff hitter too
Comparing his numbers against LHP to Bourn’s since theyre both LHH…..Bourn has a bit more power against LHP but Parra gets on base more, though Bourn had probably his best year against lefties in 2012.
I certainly wouldn’t mind him though….he’s another scrappy gritty type of player we could use
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:30 am
Efrim-
You’re happy….I’m happy….
In fact, now I can post my picture I took w/ Wren during the final homestand and not feel the least bit bad about it
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:31 am
It’s ashame really…I think we could have beaten any team that’s left in the National league. Infield fly rule
I agree. I know I can be a homer, but so were fans of the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:32 am
BTW, for everyone giving crap about Wren, who the hell do you think found Eric O’Flaherty or Brandon Beachy?!
flange1
October 12th, 2012
9:32 am
T,
The Viz was traded to the Cubs for Maholm and R Johnson.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:33 am
I do remember that jeffrey. (I used to read and comment occasionally under random names). I would have been for that if we received a monster haul from selling on him then. I didn’t expect him to keep up the ERA, like with Dempster this year.
Lew
October 12th, 2012
9:34 am
Efrim – I wasn’t trying to make a point about IP – my toe is infected again and the osteomyelitis is back in the bone and I haven’t been paying much attention to the playoffs – thought I’d heard that Cueto had to have surgery and Bailey and Latos were hurt too.
ncscoots
October 12th, 2012
9:34 am
It’s ashame really…I think we could have beaten any team that’s left in the National league. Infield fly rule
Three errors. Without those, that ruling is just a footnote.
Jeff R
October 12th, 2012
9:34 am
Let’s see. Two years of 34-year-old Josh Willingham for, perhaps, Delgado or Teheran and who else?
Surrendering either of those pitchers for a ballplayer in his mid-thirties and likely only a two-season shelf life with the Braves seems steep. Giving the Twins a package plus either of the two aforementioned pitchers seems steeper.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Willingham in a Braves’ uniform, but the price has to be reasonable. Willingham is a short term fix. Is he worth a key prospect and more?
MiaBchBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:36 am
News & Notes: Braves extend GM Wren, promote assistants.
… and the idiocy continues…
Jeff R
October 12th, 2012
9:36 am
It’s ashame really…I think we could have beaten any team that’s left in the National league. Infield fly rule
Three errors. Without those, that ruling is just a footnote.
Some fans are just having a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that the Braves’ sloppy play cost them the WC game. I think it’s called denial.
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:37 am
I would have been for that if we received a monster haul from selling on him then
That’s why I was a proponent of trading him. In my eyes he was a solid starter who could easily put up a 3.something ERA. But during the first half of last year, he was ridiculous. And since we had depth at SP, why not consider trade options?
But on another note, since I poke fun at people who judge using hindsight, I can’t boast about this too much. Who would’ve known that after posting an ERA of 1.something that Jair would say, “eh…..I quit.”
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
9:37 am
flange1
October 12th, 2012
9:32 am
T,
“The Viz was traded to the Cubs for Maholm and R Johnson.”
Thanks, I totally forgot….
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:38 am
Jeff-
I agree….doesn’t seem reasonable in the least to me….
Would much rather come up w/ a FA player to fill a spot and/or trade for someone much younger.
Lew
October 12th, 2012
9:39 am
“and the idiocy continues” – Well, what are you going to do about it? Change your outlook maybe?
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:39 am
Mia-
You mean yours right?
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:39 am
Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that contract talks between Cody Ross and the Red Sox have gained “some momentum.”
Yeah, I don’t see Cody Ross getting to free agency. Him and Ortiz will be locked up before then.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
October 12th, 2012
9:40 am
P-Town Brave ©
“BTW, for everyone giving crap about Wren, who the hell do you think found Eric O’Flaherty or Brandon Beachy?!”
Co-Sign and He got Bourn and a possible #1 Draft pick when he sells out for the Overrated/Overhyped Jordan Schafer and other Slop
Wren has done a A- job with the limited resources he has had to work with….
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:40 am
Three errors. Without those, that ruling is just a footnote.
I am never one to blame the umps/refs for a loss. But in this situation, you’re saying that if the Braves didn’t make errors then they would’ve won the game? Well what if the Cards didn’t make mistakes? Like……dropping a popup with 2 on and 1 out?
If one of the Braves’ mistakes had been ruled an out, that could’ve been the difference of 3 runs and oh…..that was the run differential.
But I’m over it. Really
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:41 am
While I agree that our errors cost us the game, the Cards did make an error that could have cost them the game. We never got to see what would have happened. Despite BMac’s troubles all year, I’d have loved to see him batting with the bases loaded and 1 out.
When Bourn came up, I was afraid that he’d strike out. Too many times, I’ve seen him in that situation and he Ks.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:41 am
Regardless, there could have been ten errors and a pig could have flown across the field…
The call still would have been a big deal, if not by the fans then by the media that covered the game….
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:41 am
thought I’d heard that Cueto had to have surgery and Bailey and Latos were hurt too.
Cueto went on the DL. No surgery. Bailey and Latos are good. They both do have a history of shoulder issues, but they bounced back from em.
Sure wish Tommy could/would.
MiaBchBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:42 am
My fear is that even either Teheran or Delgado straight up for Willingham is WAY too steep for what anounts to the two seasons of viable baseball that Willigham will be capable of.
Jeff R, I concur. I would consider Hanson, as well as one or two 2nd tier pitchers from the minors to be a suitable option. The Twins need ANY kind of pitching, and a Hanson to Minny trade would make sense for a fan base made up primarily of Norsemen.
jeffrey d
October 12th, 2012
9:42 am
Everybody the Avengers just assembled.
Also – I’m watching the Avengrs.
Jeff R
October 12th, 2012
9:42 am
P-Town Brave ©, I agree with your 9:38 am post.
I will say this in Wren’s defense. He’s been mostly shrewd in his deals (the Delgado for Dumpster deal would have been awful, IMO). But Wren hasn’t pulled any Schuerholz sell-the-future-for-one-more-post season gambits.
Wren might be able to wrangle Willingham for less than what’s being bandied about. That is, if the Braves decide to pursue Willingham.
Efrim
October 12th, 2012
9:43 am
But I’m over it. Really
I am. But I will admit, I’m less excited for the hot stove season than in previous years. Big sense of missed opportunity for me after the last two seasons. 91, 89, 94 friggin wins and one postseason series. That hurts. And we just gotta hope that the team can continue to be a force in the regular season, because the playoffs are a crapshoot anyway…..unless you’re the Cardinals, I guess.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 12th, 2012
9:44 am
Yeah, I don’t see Cody Ross getting to free agency.
Why does he want to stay with that organization? Who made the “playoffs” this year? They must still be bringing in some good KFC
I agree….doesn’t seem reasonable in the least to me….
Would much rather come up w/ a FA player to fill a spot and/or trade for someone much younger.
Agree. I’d trade Teheran or Degado+ for a player under 30 under control for at least 2 years. Not Willingham when he’s 34.
Myers or Gordon has to become available. Some way, please.
P-Town Brave ©
October 12th, 2012
9:46 am
TOBF-
Yeah, definitely would make more sense if theyre dealing one of those two to get someone like a Gordon or Headley or something of the like, under 30 and controllable….
Use the $$$ to nab the other open hole….
Oh…and once again….Teheran before Delgado
Jeff R
October 12th, 2012
9:48 am
Jeff R, I concur. I would consider Hanson, as well as one or two 2nd tier pitchers from the minors to be a suitable option. The Twins need ANY kind of pitching, and a Hanson to Minny trade would make sense for a fan base made up primarily of Norsemen.
MiaBchBravesFan, Not sure the Twins would bite on Hanson. But I think Wren could do as you suggest: mid-range pitching prospects for Willingham.
Of course, Wren has to compete with other teams for Willingham, I presume. That could jack up the price. But I’m a big believer in walking away when the price of anything or anyone, in this case, exceed the limits I’ve set.