7:34 pm October 10, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 10th, 20127:46 pm
the SOA version of lost boy has a longer piano intro…i gotta have that version…not available anywhere yet?
October 10th, 20127:48 pm
If you are going to trade a Tehran/Delgado to the Twins see if they would expand the deal to include one of their other outfielders–Span or Rivera. Pagan would be great pick up–saw where some speculate the phillies will offer bourn 5/55 million
October 10th, 20127:50 pm
hahhhhh I’m 3rd yeah !!!!!
October 10th, 20127:54 pm
but you keep making it sound like that is the big reason he (Willingham) is wanted
Nope. That’s a reason why I want to stay away. I don’t think he’ll be worth the price in prospects. And, okay, throw road numbers out. That’s fine (though hitting on the road is good).However, his splits vs. lefties the last 2 years have been quite poor. Can we ignore that? I mean, we are acquiring him to be our RH power bat that mashes lefties, right?
So how smart is the pop-up slide when the pop-up slide costs you an out because you couldn’t hold the bag?
Not the first time I’ve seen someone hold the tag while a guy using the pop-up gets called out for losing the bag on the pop up.
This is very similar to the headfirst slide and all the hand injuries. Always going to be someone to defend it even if it causes lots of injuries and trips to the DL.
October 10th, 20127:56 pm
Medlen’s dominance during the season’s second half, combined with Minor’s impressive second-half turnaround, essentially negated the need for the Braves to enter this winter bidding for Zack Greinke or any other potential starting pitchers. The most pressing question entering the 2013 season will center around who will serve as the fifth starter.
Darn shame. We need an ace. Figuring out who between Delgado, Teheran, Gilmartin, or Hanson makes the team isn’t really that big.
October 10th, 20127:57 pm
Great article DOB! This should be a very interesting off-season, i’m still feeling very optimistic about this team.
October 10th, 20127:58 pm
WE need to be bringing back MICHEAL BOURN, especially if WE can and CHIPPER JONES will be TOTALLY TOUGH to replace,but I’M TOTALLY SURE the BRAVES can TOTALLY OVERCOME replacing a baseman from the FARM OF COURSE.
October 10th, 20127:59 pm
Victorino another option, DOB? Or you worried about the 2012 stats? I like Pagan. I guess it all depends on cost, as usual. I’d probably stay away from Swisher. Just think he’ll want too much. Pagan will probably get a four year deal on the open market. Not sure I’d go that high, but his AAV shouldn’t be ridiculous.
Chipper's Southern Bell
October 10th, 20128:00 pm
Im sure Bourn enjoyed this story but he is probably in Houston
October 10th, 20128:01 pm
They should also kick the tires on Torii Hunter. Solid RH bat for LF.
October 10th, 20128:04 pm
I think the priority should be findind a really good hitter – who creams LHP and certainly holds his own weight vs. RHP.
Cody Ross. Career split of .284/.353/.575/.928 vs. lefties in almost as many ABs as Willingham has.
Willingham is at .250/.369/.503/.872 vs. lefties. Both do okay vs. righties.
Also, no need to trade a top prospect to get Ross.
October 10th, 20128:05 pm
I agree with virtually everything you said DOB, with the exception of Hanson.
“And while Hanson had another erratic season and disappointing second half, he’s too young and talented to let go, and his trade value wouldn’t be high enough this offseason to warrant a trade.”
He’s not too young to be Chuck James right handed version. His velocity is down. His mechanics are circus like.
Cut your losses, trade for a bag of balls! He is NEVER going to be worth any financial investment and is going to cost too much to keep. He is arm/shoulder surgery waiting to happen.
And finally, he is represented by Boros.
October 10th, 20128:11 pm
I would leave Pagan alone— I disagree with Wren- lineup will not just improve on a wish– I would really trade Uggla if possible- and if you could get a young CF-and a catcher trade BMac again if possible with his shoulder. If yanks lose to baltimore they could be had or Boston is a prime target with their bad season. They have a good core-leave some xtra bucks to get a big time starter mid year
October 10th, 20128:14 pm
Good stuff DOB. Although I’d rather have Tehran than Hanson, if possible. Sad to see JJ go, but his performance is just so disappointing. And I REALLY hate to see Bourn go, but there’s no way we can afford him. Getting Pagan would be the only consolation that would make me feel better. I think Bourn is one of the best leadoff guys we’ve had in a long time, and he’s demonstrated why guys like Nixon, Lofton, et al were so important to the team way back when. Overall, hard not to be thrilled with these young pitchers. Such a bummer not to be in the NLDS. This was the first year in a while where I was really confident that we could do some damage. Peace.
News must travel slow down here below the mason/dixon line, but the Cards won 8-0 today as well. Seems AJC is “forgetting” to post the Cards-Nats scores since Sunday….hmmmm….Thanks again for your “southern hospitality” letting us in two years in a row now!!! “12 in 12″ let’s go Cards:)
October 10th, 20128:15 pm
To me regardless of having 22 million and prospects to fill 2 everyday spots in the outfield, I still think there’s a good chance it doesn’t happen. But anyways…
#1 need in my opinion is RH power bat who plays LF that can bat cleanup between Heyward and Freeman.
For CF, I think defense is priority. Target a player who plays great D with some offensive potential threw trade. Angel Pagan and Shane Victorino would be at the tops of my free agent list for CF mainly based on price, commitment, and realism. I wouldn’t go no more than 3 years for either of them.
October 10th, 20128:16 pm
Thank you DOB, very interresting.
Bobby's Beer Belly
October 10th, 20128:18 pm
It all depends on how the free agent market turns out when it comes to where Prado will play.
Scenario 1: We get a left fielder like Ludwick, Hunter, Ichiro, or Willingham. Prado would play third base.
Scenario 2: The left field market screws us and Martin plays left field. For third base we sign Scott Rolen or Kevin Youkillis, both of which should fit in well with this team.
I caution against Nick Swisher. He would be for our clubhouse a menace on par with Yunel Escobar.
October 10th, 20128:19 pm
No, no, no on Angel Pagan. The name itself is an oxymoron! He even looks evil, like one of those “voodoo doctors” in South America. If the Braves get AP, it will end up being an even worse “pox” on them, and believe me, they need all the help they can get from ABOVE, not down BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 10th, 20128:20 pm
On Pagan, he won’t repeat his triple numbers however his doubles and homers could increase.
Look folks, I really believe Uggla is due for a solid year. I think the law of averages is on our side that his head will be straight again.
I would deal for Zack Grienke, if at all possible. He would completely dominate on this team.
October 10th, 20128:21 pm
Possible CF targets for Trade would be
Great read, sounds like the path the Braves will probably go. The off season has to start with rewarding Prado, Heyward, Kimbrel, Hudson, Minor and that guy Medlen. At least the Braves have the advantage of knowing what happened with Bourn before they make a decision because besides his defense I don’t see why you would pay someone that kind of money who only plays for half a season.
October 10th, 20128:22 pm
Pagan could be a good option, but I also like Ben Revere a lot personally. Revere/Pagan or Willingham/Swisher would be great options.
Bourn is gone and I’m ok with that. Loved having here, he did great, but he’s asking for too much and tires in the second half. Mac is a tough option. Terrible last couple of years, but he showed me in July that when he’s healthy, he is still capable of going into beast mode. So… considering what he’s done for us, I say get him and hope he’s able to get healthy.
I am awfully concerned about old Mac though.
Worst case scenario, he has a bad year, we lose him in 2014 and Bethancourt will hopefully be ready by then. And while everyone is high off of Ross (as am I) let’s all remember how he did in 2011 when Mac went down the oblique. He’s not an everyday catcher, amazing back up. The best there is. But not an everyday starter for an extended period of time.
If Mac and Uggla can rebound and have big years, we can win the East. Freddie and Heyward are on the brink of becoming beasts, our pitching rotation is going to be very solid. No 8 game losing streaks here. If we can just somehow someway find some good players via free agency or trade to fill the void in either LF, 3B or CF pending wherever we put Prado, we could be great next year.
Just need a couple of pieces and a little more maturity and growth.
I do disagree with you on one thing, DOB. Hanson… I’ve personally seen enough. I know he was thought to be our next great pitcher, but he’s declined so much over the last year and a half that I don’t know about running him back out there again and again is going to solve anything. He needs to either learn to be a finesse pitcher or find that lost velocity. If he can’t, and I don’t think he will given his performance, we gotta trade him asap. There’s no room for him once Brandon comes back.
I think Randall is ready to take that next step. Haven’t seen enough of Tehran. But Minor is only going to get better, Meds will hopefully continue to pitch how he has been, Huddy is always reliable and Maholm is very solid. If we get Beachy back, our rotation will be top notch with three excellent pitchers, a former ace and a solid workhorse in Paul.
Bullpen is the bullpen. They’re beasts and will continue to be. Hope Jonny can bounce back and have a better year in 2013. EOF deserves whatever he wants. Didn’t allow a run since July? He’s insane.
Thanks for the blog, DOB. I miss them.
Vote, vote then vote some more for Jason to win the Hank Aaron Award. We know he’ll have Hank’s vote!
October 10th, 20128:24 pm
And Maholm might be dealt at some point to make room for Beachy next year, if Brandon is ready for the rotation, and to make room for Dealgado.
McClouth looks like the guy the Braves traded for but who never showed up in Atlanta.
October 10th, 20128:29 pm
This McLouth guy seems pretty good for the O’s…I wonder if he could be had cheap…sorry, couldn’t resist.
DOB, I’ve read that Swisher could be asking for a Werthian type contract. I would love the Swisher/Pagan combo, but if he wants $15M or more (much less than Werth), I don’t see how Braves could have Swisher & a name CF, as even Pagan could reasonably make in the $7-9M range. If Wren is serious about his wanting more value than a specific player, I don’t see them getting both. Also, will this winter go like last year, with Hamilton going first, setting the market, then everyone else follows?
October 10th, 20128:30 pm
A good article with a well thought plan.I like all the moves if only they were a reality. Its gonna be tough waiting 4 months to find out how it wil come together. GO BRAVES!!! My choice for World Series is Baltimore and Cinncinati. Stinger2 are you out there?
October 10th, 20128:33 pm
Posey or Braun for the Hank Aaron Award; Posey if you want to vote for a Georgia guy.
Scott from Fairburn
October 10th, 20128:35 pm
DOB, stoking the hot stove. Good stuff.
October 10th, 20128:36 pm
Wren when you fix your attention on a position player, say 3B or OF. Would you please focus on the players (strikeouts and how he performs with runners in scoring position, not that interested in his home runs).
We just missed the playoffs because we could not convert scoring opportunies in the 7,8,9 innings. The Cardinal on the other hand scored 3 runs while just getting 1 hit, yes there was a big error but they put the runners on to capitalize on the miscue. They forced a bad throw from Simmons and Uggla felt the pressure as well. The Cardinals have professional hitters…bunting, giving up an out to move runners…they did the little things necessary to get the victory.
The Braves need to learn how to manufacture runs and not miss opportunities. Can the team as a whole learn to advance runners, get the sacrafice fly, bunt to shake up the defense, force them to make a play…ie David Ross. We need professional hitters. In the playoffs, you need professional hitters…ie Braves14 Division Titles and 1 World Series championship.
Time to spend money on productive outs and timely hitting…give me a team of Martin Prado(s)…the home runs will come!
October 10th, 20128:37 pm
Nick Swisher to me atleast is Dan Uggla in the OF mold.
October 10th, 20128:40 pm
I know it is probably sacrilidge, but the Hank Aaron award is a meaningless award.
Why? Look above at the poster who wants fans to vote for Heyward. Why? This award is for the best hitter in the league! If anyone thinks Heyward is the best hitter in the NL they are on crack!
Another popularity award that has nothing to do with actual performance.
October 10th, 20128:41 pm
I really don’t think the Braves should spend big bucks on Bourne. He’s actually not a great leadoff hitter – he has speed, but he strikes out way to much and doesn’t draw nearly enough walks to fully utilize his speed on the basepath. I also think that with speed being the primary factor associated with his value and defensive skills that a long-term contract would be an albatross for this team in 2-3 years time. The fact is he isn’t going to get any faster and historically the value that guys with his type of skill-set bring to a team fades pretty quickly. I could see the Braves stuck in a bad contract situation as early as Year 2 or 3 of a 5-6 year contract. I’d much go cheaper and not be stuck with yet another dead weight contact (ala Kawakami, Lowe and now Uggla).
October 10th, 20128:42 pm
Good starting point DOB.I would say goodbye to McCann and package Uggla with as many guys as it takes to rid us of that rally killer.
October 10th, 20128:43 pm
Dan Uggla before signing big contract at 31 years old.
Average of last 5 seasons before contract.
155 Games 263/349/488/837 31 HR 93 RBI 73 BB 152 K
Nick Swisher will also sign his new big contract at 31 years old.
Average of last 5 seasons.
150 Games 259/360/469/830 26 HR 84 RBI 82 BB 133 K
DOB has been reading my mail. I couldn’t have laid it out better
October 10th, 20128:46 pm
However, his splits vs. lefties the last 2 years have been quite poor. Can we ignore that?…TOBF
what in the deuce is poor about a 920 OPS? The only thing poor was his batting average, the rest of his numbers were awesome. Batting average i s way less important that the other numbers
October 10th, 20128:48 pm
How about sign Victorino and trade for Trumbo who I believe can play LF. Power RH.
Great blog DOB as always. DOB for GM
October 10th, 20128:49 pm
I wouldn’t want Span from the Twins. Pagan would be the best fit for the Braves
Trumbo is WAY overrated. fell apart the second half too
October 10th, 20128:51 pm
I like the idea of Victorino and Trumbo.
October 10th, 20128:52 pm
I believe Cody Ross played over his head this past season and whoever signs him in the offseason is gonna get burned. He might still be a solid addition but in terms of dollars I bet he doesn’t meet expectations. I’m willing to bet he get’s a 3 year deal around 30-35 million…
I think my wife said Angel Pagan is an ironic first and last name.
Dawgdad (The Original)
October 10th, 20128:55 pm
Pagan would be a great option, but I don’t know why you think SF is going to let him get away. He has been a star for them. We are one year too late to move on Pagan. Maybe we should have ID him and got him in the Franceour trade instead of Ryan Church.
October 10th, 20128:56 pm
I’ll take your word for it, nolie. I was just scanning over RH OF with pop on my PS3, I mean, the baseball stat sheet I have and Trumbo’s numbers look solid at first glance. But hey, you know more than I because you actually analyze instead of knee jerk.
October 10th, 20128:57 pm
I think I rather have Denard Span instead of Angel Pagan. Span is a much better defender and overall hitter. He’s had some injury problems but still in 129 games he doubled 38 times…. Has 20-25 SB speed and is a viable lead off option. There may be concerns about him playing away from Minny but I’d be willing to role the dice.
I like Pagan cause he’s a Switch hitter and is basically solid across the board. But he isn’t great at anything.
Both player fit budget wise, but Span is a trade target while Pagan is a free agent.
I say we get both Uptons!
October 10th, 20128:59 pm
dang Brian and here I was looking for an argument……
actually I have no idea what happened to Trumbo but he really took a nosedive in the second half. Some here last winter claimed his as the second coming. maybe not….
October 10th, 20129:00 pm
I know absolutely nothing about baseball with the lone exception of hitting a home run.
However, the Sons of Anarchy (on FX) is the absolutely best show on TV bar none. Well SOA and Game of Thrones..
October 10th, 20129:01 pm
I Say Both Uptons to.
October 10th, 20129:02 pm
I agree with Kevin post. Getting Span would be ideal replacement for Bourn
DOB, I’ve read that Swisher could be asking for a Werthian type contract. I would love the Swisher/Pagan combo, but if he wants $15M or more (much less than Werth), I don’t see how Braves could have Swisher & a name CF, as even Pagan could reasonably make in the $7-9M range. — AA
That’s why I said Willingham is atop my preferred list. I’d part with the prospect to get him and his very reasonable contract for next two years, then you’ve got enough to add Pagan or another CF and also sign Prado and Heyward to long-term deals (in case you need to go a little higher on Heyward in first year of deal than you might have in arbitration, etc).
Damn I’ve been depressed lately. Braves always get kicked out of the playoffs early, so it isn’t all that for a reason. Ever just get that feeling inside and can’t seem to shake it?
October 10th, 20129:03 pm
Good stuff DOB. Although I’d rather have Teheran than Hanson, if possible. — Borno
Yes, but Twins aren’t going to have any interest in Hanson, for same reason you and others would like to get rid of him.
not sure why you think Span is a better hitter, he is a 104 OPS+ and Pagan a 106. basically equal, Span is definitely a better defender though. That away stat for Span worries me a bit, but I see no real reason for it so it might be nothing
October 10th, 20129:04 pm
Breaking Bad to me is the best show I’ve ever seen and I’m sad its ending soon. The Walking Dead is up there too. I plan on eventually watching Son’s of Anarchy on netflix soon tho.
October 10th, 20129:05 pm
Tough to find the downside of bringing in Willingham unless you’re concerned about his age and price in prospects. His production and consistency can’t really be knocked in any way.
I probably wouldn’t trade Teheran or Graham for him, but I’d trade Delgado + others. Probably not enough to get it done though.
It’s hard to say if Pagan, Ross and others are options until we hear about their desired price. I mean, if Pagan wants 4-5 years and 11-12 million a year, I can’t make a case for giving him that.
October 10th, 20129:06 pm
I’m starting to wonder if Delgado is not gonna end up the better pitcher
October 10th, 20129:07 pm
Who cares what the Braves do? They could go 162-0 with all-stars and choke in the postseason just like they have done every time this millennium. They are a garbage organization with garbage coaching, garbage management, and garbage players. Crew them.
October 10th, 20129:08 pm
Braves are going to trade to fill one of these spots. I’d be all in for Chase Headley, but I see no real reason why the Padres(who already have a ton of minor league depth) would trade him away.
Wish Beltran was a free agent….this coming offseason.
October 10th, 20129:09 pm
Women can make you feel all sorts of stuff inside, so that could be it. This new chick with brown puppy dog eyes needs to leave my store. Not that I want her to, but …
That was a great read, DOB….
Thing is, no matter who we acquire, they will immediately slump. Collapsing into Ugglaesque oblivion won’t be far behind the ink drying on the ole contract.
Your right, both are very close with the bat. Span has the edge in OBP and walks more and strikeouts less, Pagan has the edge in power. Span is few years younger and could improve some. Toss up. Pick your poison lol
October 10th, 20129:10 pm
The Braves need to try and trade Uggla because $13 million is too much for a player that hits around .220 for at least have of the last two seasons. Even if we had to pick up have his salary it will still give us $6 million to pick up a very good ballplayer.
October 10th, 20129:12 pm
RESIGN BOURN. Trade Hanson and Delgado get an Ace. RESIGN BOURN. Get Youuuukilis, leave Martin in Left. RESIGN BOURN.
It could happen, but a lot of folks would be wrong. Delgado’s walk rates haven’t really gotten better. But he still gets more swing and misses than Teheran does – at least the last two years. Teheran needs to throw that slider more. That could be a real breakthrough. Braves sent that pitching guru down to Gwinnett to work on that delivery, and Wren had Delgado traded for 2 months of Dempster. I just have a strong feeling that if we’re going to get a bat, Delgado will be used for it.
October 10th, 20129:13 pm
I won’t go as far as this 7n3 character, but i must agree that until we win in the postseason, it really doesn’t matter what we do.
It has been one choke after another for moving on towards a generation now. Maybe Chipper’s retirement will actually be a good thing where the choking is concerned. Something has to give eventually.
Seems like the Twins, royals or whoever will want Teheran, but we will likely settle on Delgado – still a great get by any organization.
Royals and twins both need starting pitching in the worst way
October 10th, 20129:14 pm
Well said Erfim
October 10th, 20129:16 pm
Let Bourn go…..the quicker he cleans out his locker, the better.
I’m sick to death of the strikeouts and lack of hitting from the guy. His 8th inning whiff the other night on 2 fastballs right down Peachtree made me want to vomit. Goodbye, good riddance.
October 10th, 20129:17 pm
Guess y’all would rather talk baseball than my feelings. Whatever. Bye.
October 10th, 20129:18 pm
OF- willingham, span, Bourjos, trumbo, Alex Gordon, nick markakis
3B – Headley, e. Nunez (NYY)
I had a sneaky suspicion about something so did some checking. Sure enough it’s possible, and this will make some of you even “sicker”. You can actually field a team from ex-Braves now playing in the postseason. The only thing missing is a catcher, so maybe one of the two first basemen could be converted. (or maybe there is a catcher I don’t know about). Anyway here tis:
Laroche or Texeira-1B
Furcal-SS(he’s injured but on the team)
Betemit or DeRosa-3B
Blanco, McLouth, and Jones(Andrew)-OFs
Wainwright and Lowe-Starting Pitchers
That’s 12 players who are no longer Braves and now on playoff teams.
Anyone know of an X-Braves catcher on one of the teams still in it that I may have missed?
October 10th, 20129:19 pm
poor phil, life is soooo tuff for a sensitive Braves fan…..
I don’t want to trade Delgado. Much rather trade Gilmartin, to be honest. But Frank loves his LHP’s.
October 10th, 20129:21 pm
so what? are you claiming that they are the reason their teams are in the post season? not hardly
October 10th, 20129:22 pm
I agree about trading Gilmartin even if that makes me a traitor to FSU….
Bob the Blogger
October 10th, 20129:23 pm
Rather than pencil Prado in at 3rd, I would keep it open so that the Braves have the option of getting a third baseman or left fielder, which ever works best based on the player and his contract. However it works out, the Braves absolutely need to add one big bat.
I agree with not pursuing Bourn too much. His second have average and total season strikeouts are red flags, and his contract will taking him into his mid thirties, when most players are losing a step.
October 10th, 20129:25 pm
Rather than pencil Prado in at 3rd, I would keep it open so that the Braves have the option of getting a third baseman or left fielder, which ever works best based on the player and his contract. …BtheB
that is probably the approach Frank will take
October 10th, 20129:26 pm
Randall Delgado, Sean Gilmartin, and Navery Moore
Josh Willingham and Denard Span
Too much? Not enough?
October 10th, 20129:27 pm
Could definitely see Zeke Spruill getting dealt this offseason. I mean, they will want to not trade too much depth from Triple-A. But if they actually do keep Hanson, I certainly don’t see Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill and Graham at Triple-A. I mean, that’s better than the Twins major league rotation……
October 10th, 20129:28 pm
McLouth might actually be the reason the Os got in, but it makes no difference to us, if they had re-signed Nate 98% of the blog would have imploded, probably including dum bass
October 10th, 20129:29 pm
Dum Bass is Lou I think
October 10th, 20129:30 pm
that would be one helluva AAA rotation, huh?
October 10th, 20129:33 pm
You are correct nolie, his OPS is good, but I’d like him to have a better avg. I mean, we want a guy that hits lefties, right? Or just someone who hits them far when he actually connects.
Cody Ross had a better line vs. lefties last season than Willingham, and is better for his career. I’d rather pay him 9-11 mil than trade one of our prized prospects for Willingham. Also, Ross is younger.
@mlbbowman So are you saying if BMac has to have surgery, the Braves might not exercise his option
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman
@___ no, but if he is going to miss a significant part of the season, they will not exercise it.
I thought insurance would cover that, no?
October 10th, 20129:34 pm
As much as I’d like to see Hanson have another shot to bounce back to his old form, I think there’s a good chance that it could backfire and something similar to Jurrjens happens. Pass on trade offers and then get zero production leading to a non-tender. But maybe Hanson can atleast maintain what he is right now and be a solid #4/5 type.
Nah, life is great….
It’s the Braves and you head in the sand fellas that worry me.
Too much? Not enough?
If they trade both players, it’ll be in seperate deals. You can make a case that it’s just right for Willingham.
October 10th, 20129:35 pm
whats your thoughts on juan francisco?
Tough to find the downside of bringing in Willingham unless you’re concerned about his age and price in prospects. His production and consistency can’t really be knocked in any way.
Eh. He has a good SLG, but his avg. has been poor over the last 2 years. But, yes, the main issue for me is price. If we can get him for a mid prospect or 2 (like Spruill and Salcedo), all for it. That won’t happen though. They will want one of our top 4 arms. I say no.
October 10th, 20129:36 pm
very nice breakdown & plan, DOB. i absolutely agree with letting bourne go, and i like pagan as well. willingham would be a good addition, but my only question is Can we live with uggla at 2b again? his D is bad and seems to be getting worse. if willingham trade didnt work, i’d strongly consider playing prado at 2b, moving uggla to LF and trading for a 3b w/pop.
Arizona Fall League game for Braves prospects just started:
October 10th, 20129:38 pm
Was the alternate title to this blog “That’s what she said?”
October 10th, 20129:39 pm
Move Uggla to Siberia if that’s what it takes to be rid of his awful self……
October 10th, 20129:41 pm
But those 3 would be quite a bit for a 34 year old wouldn’t ya think? Being realistic we’d have to expect Willingham’s numbers to dip a little. Or possibly have a season like he had in Oakland.
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