Wren discusses Braves’ future, offseason to-do list

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ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
10:03 am

My guess is Bethancourt restarts at Mississippi next season, and if he improves, advances to Gwinnett in the summer. Maybe he gets to Atlanta in September.

I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year. :-)

Cecil34

October 9th, 2012
10:04 am

Lew, I do think the attendance decline from the 3 million mark that was being hit routinely in the late 90’s also has a lot to do with the decline of native Atlantans as well as income.

DAP

October 9th, 2012
10:05 am

scoots There’s much more wrong with his swing than just his length, from what I’ve seen.

im no expert, but to me it looks like every chance fransisco has to do something wrong in his swing, he does it. timing with his leg kick, the head, the swing itself, everything. id trade him for a bullpen arm for 2013.

Black Boortz

October 9th, 2012
10:07 am

I don’t know about re-signing McCann, but one thing I CAN say is this organization has pretty good track record of knowing just WHEN to get rid of fan favorites. It hurts to see these guys go, but the two cases Immediately come to mind when I think of the Braves parting with fan favorites: John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. The Braves were correct in both cases for allowing these two to walk. I can also look at Javy Lopez, and boy did Baltimore regret that one.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:07 am

The Braves drew 3+ mil for six seasons in the middle of their run of 14 consecutive championships – 6 times in the past 21 seasons. in 91 they pulled in 2.1 mil, 94 – 2.5, 95-2.5 96 – 2.9. – right in line with the numbers since 2000.

Jeff R

October 9th, 2012
10:07 am

For thirteen million dollars,I believe the braves could find a better clutch hitter than McCann. Give me a break – Last place with RISP.

If McCann goes, who’s going to catch, other than Ross, who likely can’t hold up to the daily grinding of being the regular, for reasons discussed?

DS1

October 9th, 2012
10:07 am

DAP

Depends on how teachable JF is. Otherwise, I’d agree with you. But you can’t teach that sort of power so you don’t dismiss him without giving it a lot of work and time.

Jeff R

October 9th, 2012
10:08 am

I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year.

Stranger things have happened. And where is Bethancourt from, anyway? ;)

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:08 am

Cecil – I don’t know – maybe the loss of the natives is telling. But I really don’t think we ever really were a city destined to attreact that many fans long term. It’s just unrealistic.

Powder Blue

October 9th, 2012
10:08 am

“Last place with RISP.”

I’ve been wondering about that but hadn’t looked it up. If so, I’m not surprised.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:10 am

Except we don’t need more bullpen arms (got more coming up) and we DO need aback up third baseman.

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
10:11 am

And where is Bethancourt from, anyway?

Panama. So, I guess he could go voodoo on us and purchase some pitch recognition and strike-zone judgement, LOL.

Couch Tater

October 9th, 2012
10:18 am

Not much in the free agent market will tighten the trade market. I don’t expect anything overwhelming this offseason.

So what’s the over/under

If, a 7 game World Series. 24 days + Winter Meetings 5 days = 29 days. Turkey Season.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
10:20 am

Bite the bullet and break the bank and get rid of Uggla. Prado to second, Josh Hamilton to left and David Wright at 3rd. See how simple it is?

Simple? Sounds more like stupid… We’re gonna pay to get rid of Uggla, pay for Hamilton (who struggles massively at times and will decline) and trade 2-3 top prospects for Wright.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:22 am

2014 Free Agent Catchers:

John Buck (33)
Jesus Flores (29)
Ryan Hanigan (33)
Ramon Hernandez (38)
Wil Nieves (36)
Brayan Pena (32)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (29)
Geovany Soto (31)
Kurt Suzuki (30) – $8.5MM club option with a $650K buyout

Blech.

Powder Blue

October 9th, 2012
10:23 am

I like Hamilton and have pulled for him since his substance abuse struggles. However, I don’t like the idea of giving him a long-term contract. He’s very injury-prone, he’s aging, and there’s always that “what if” factor. I’ll pass.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
10:23 am

I think we can do better than Juan as backup 3B (would prefer a better contact hitter). However, he does have power and is cheap. No need to trade him just to trade him.

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
10:24 am

2014 Free Agent Catchers:…Blech.

Exactly.

Jeff R

October 9th, 2012
10:26 am

Panama. So, I guess he could go voodoo on us and purchase some pitch recognition and strike-zone judgement, LOL.

Bingo!

Jeff R

October 9th, 2012
10:27 am

I think we can do better than Juan as backup 3B (would prefer a better contact hitter). However, he does have power and is cheap. No need to trade him just to trade him.

Who’s out there?

DAP

October 9th, 2012
10:27 am

DS1 But you can’t teach that sort of power so you don’t dismiss him without giving it a lot of work and time.

the braves dont have time to give him. hes not gonna start, because we expect to win, and hes likely to make too many outs to be worth it. i think the braves use him as a chip, let some team that has time to let him develop take a chance.

lew Except we don’t need more bullpen arms (got more coming up) and we DO need aback up third baseman.

you always need bullpen arms.

DAP

October 9th, 2012
10:32 am

a year ago, the reds traded fransisco for jj hoover. thats a good arm. braves ought to be able to get a comparable player for him this off season.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:32 am

I don’t think Bethancourt has it in him to develop into an legit MLB hitter in a single season, at least not based on his 2012 performance. Hope he pleasantly surprises people, but I wouldn’t count on it.

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
10:32 am

Who’s out there?

Don’t you have to see if the team can re-sign Johnson, first? I would think the bench roster decisions kinda depend on whether he’s on the squad or not.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
10:33 am

Fontenot, Theriot, and Eric Chavez.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:33 am

Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. We need two outfielders. Straight line says that’s what we’ll get and not branch out in all sorts of different directions, looking to trade everyone fans have given up on, haven’t had much of a chance to prove themselves or tweaking positions that don’t need tweaking.

Keep in mind this is a 94 win team and not some 100 game loser that needs rerworking. Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:36 am

I know Gattis was a long-shot and not really an option at any position, but I’m still sad that he got hurt. Would have at least made for an entertaining offseason, plugging him in to LF (or C) and coming up with more tales of his supernatural abilities.

Jeff R

October 9th, 2012
10:36 am

Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. We need two outfielders. Straight line says that’s what we’ll get and not branch out in all sorts of different directions, looking to trade everyone fans have given up on, haven’t had much of a chance to prove themselves or tweaking positions that don’t need tweaking.

Keep in mind this is a 94 win team and not some 100 game loser that needs rerworking. Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.

I think that sums it up.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
10:37 am

Outside of Chavez, not much power…

Juan has power, but that’s about it. Very little contact, a poor eye, leading to many strikeouts. Doesn’t seem like the recipe for a good pinch-hitter.

raleighbravefan

October 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Sorry to hear about McFann…she was a spot of sunshine on the ever darkening blog. I have enjoyed the lively and (mostly) thoughtful discussions here since 2006. However, over this past year, (most notably since the Sept swoon), it has become increasingly a refuge for the clueless and imature whiners to collectively work each other up into a vitriolic and hateful frenzy. I have continued to come on, to pick up the few knowledgeable nuggets from the serious baseball fans, which have become a smaller and smaller portion of the discussion. I find that I have lost a lot of interest in most of what is being said here. Reminds me a lot of the current state of politics. You will likey hear a lot less from me, at least for the time being.

As Lew said, many of you should really feel proud of yourselves for bullying a teenage girl off of the blog. McFann, whereever you are, keep the faith.

Powder Blue

October 9th, 2012
10:39 am

“Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.”

That’s pretty much what Wren said in his interview with DOB.

monty

October 9th, 2012
10:39 am

Francisco starting at 3rd is not an option for next year. We have to get someone either at 3rd or LF with numbers we can count on(track record). Francisco might provide some pop but doubtful it would be in key situations and he just doesn’t hit LHP. He could end up with a .215.,.280,.440 slash line. with his power coming in low pressure situations with tons of strikeouts. If Uggla doesn’t rebound then that would be 2 blackholes back to back in the lineup. Only proven players please.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:42 am

Sorry to hear about McFann…she was a spot of sunshine on the ever darkening blog.

She died?

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
10:42 am

I see as dangerous the notion that the SP is fine without adding a front-line starter. After Hudson, there just isn’t enough experience with the guys who will be asked to go toe-to-toe with the best pitchers in the league.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:42 am

raleighbraves – she said she’s staying in touch with several bloggers – CAB, VJ, Myself and a few others and might return (albeit briefly) sometime in the future.

raleighbravefan

October 9th, 2012
10:43 am

Murph – She got fed up with the hate, and has left the blog.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:44 am

Murph – No – she just got sick of a lot of the negative commentary, McCann and player bashing and left the blog – at least temporarily

DAP

October 9th, 2012
10:46 am

lew looking to trade everyone fans have given up on, haven’t had much of a chance to prove themselves or tweaking positions that don’t need tweaking.

theres alot of wisdom there. this is a 94 win team. but lets be real. this team, whether we like it or not, will be drastically different next season. we have some free agents, but most importantly, we have the face of the franchise over the last two decades gone. this team by necessity needs more than a tweak. thats just my opinion. i know chipper didnt play full time, but the hole he leaves is substantial. in addition to the holes in LF and CF, the bench needs to be rebuilt (or reassembled). almost all of those guys are free agents. there is at least one big hole in the bullpen, too. our inning leader is a free agent. so, im not seeing a straight line to getting this team ready to win 90+ games again in 2013.

BILLY JACK

October 9th, 2012
10:46 am

MEDLIN HUDSON BEACHY MAHOLM MINOR IS YOUR STARTING ROTATION RELEASE HANSON TODAY.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:47 am

scoots -This is the year when you’ve got to bring the kids up, let them show what they can do or trade them. Next winter is when they’ll revamp the staff (after this year’s evaluation), when Hudson and Malholm’s contract expire and they’ll have that additional $15 mil to play with..

Tumbledown

October 9th, 2012
10:48 am

Others have made great suggestions in their postings. I humbly suggest that the Braves need to target players from teams who have experienced success in the playoffs. The Braves as a whole have spit the bit come playoff time over the last ten of so years. Players like Uggla and Bourn rarely or never come up with a key late season or post season hit. We got them from losing franchises such as Houston and Florida.

I suggest we target players like Swisher or Victorino for the outfield. At least I can remember these players being clutch in the playoffs. There are certainly more targets out there to fulflll the Braves’ needs. I am tired of the team alway coming up short in pressure situations. I remember back in 1990-91, the Braves acquired free agents Sid Bream, Terry Pendleton, and Rafael Belliard. All three of these players had played with teams who made it and/or had some success in the playoffs. These clutch players (even Belliard) made big contributions for the Braves during a time when they had great young talent as well.

Brave New World

October 9th, 2012
10:48 am

Thankfully, we will not be the team that signs Josh Hamilton. He is injury-prone, has an addictive nature, and he struck out 162 times in 2012. He will want $25 million or more per season for 5-7 years. He will likely go to a team with deep pockets, and he will have unbelievable pressure to perform – this is a recipe for disaster (even if he stays physically healthy). For less than what Josh will command we can have both Shane Victorino and Angel Pagan, two switch hitters with speed. GO BRAVES!

Brett

October 9th, 2012
10:48 am

Wren is a Schuerholz wannabe. Fredi is a Bobby Cox poseur. The Braves will never win anything again until they’re both gone.

DS1

October 9th, 2012
10:49 am

It’s not like we need to deal JF. The return we would get is not going to be a huge piece, and unless he is packaged to go somewhere that desires him, then I’d say keep him and let him learn under the tutelage of Walker and company.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:50 am

DAP – I see what you’re saying, but disagree about what might be done about it. They’ll get the pieces they need and not mess with the areas thae relatively set. You lose a lot of clubhouse leadership with Chipper and 100 games of offense.The offense can be made up – and that’s another reason Mac won’t have his option declined – they need his clubhouse presence now that CJ is gone.

monty

October 9th, 2012
10:50 am

McFann, you are wise beyond your years in taking time away from here. “Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are pure,whatsoever things are lovely….think on these things.” Best wishes.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
10:51 am

There isn’t much good SP next offseason… Josh Johnson, Matt Garza, and Lincecum are the 3 biggest names. Doesn’t really compare with Greinke, Haren, McCarthy in my opinion.

I’d rather add that top SP this winter, especially since our guys outside of Huddy/Maholm are all “young”. Next year, they’ll all be a bit more seasoned.

DS1

October 9th, 2012
10:52 am

Tumbledown

How about Johnny Damon to PH off the bench? (he says only half kidding)

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:53 am

So McFann joins a long list of people who have taken their ball and gone home. I have no more tears to shed over the loss of another quality blog contributor.

I hope that the rest of you, at least the few of you that I like and have managed to stay the course through this season’s blog unrest, continue to utilize your scroll wheels and thick skins into 2013 and beyond.

Much like the Braves, we may lose some solid players, but the games still go on, regardless.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
10:53 am

OnlyBraves – You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.

David O'Brien

October 9th, 2012
10:55 am

Is there any indication that FW wants to hang onto any of the group of Reed Johnson, Lyle Overbay and Jeff Baker? How about Chad Durbin in the pen? (I’m guessing a lot might depend on what kind of contract they are looking for) — DS1

Since he says the bullpen will be intact, to me that likely includes Durbin, as he was one of the handful of key guys (not as big as Kimbrel and O’Flaherty, obviously, but as important as anyone else if you look at the entire season of work).

Off the bench, of those three I would say Reed Johnson is most likely to return, provided the contract is reasonable. He liked it here and Braves liked him a lot. But if another team offers significantly more, who knows?

DS1

October 9th, 2012
10:56 am

TOBF

The guys we will be adding next off season to the SP will be names like Beachy, Delgado, Teheran and Graham.

Why do we need to go out and get SP’ing when we are growing our own?

Murph

October 9th, 2012
10:56 am

What about Hinske? Are his Braves days over?

I sure hope so.

David O'Brien

October 9th, 2012
10:57 am

DOB I missed the question about Fredi calling a bunt with one out and men on second and third with a nohitting pitcher up next. The announcers were apologizing for Simmons because he made a rookie mistake by bunting — bill

You missed it because it was asked — by me — in the group interview with Fredi immediately after the game. Go back to the quotes after Friday’s game, and Fredi answers the question about bunting in that situation.

monty

October 9th, 2012
10:59 am

I think if you can get a decent return for Hanson you have to move him. IMO he was protected moreso than any of our other starters by FG. As soon as he started looking tired or was about to get into trouble FG went and got him. So in other words, his ERA was protected from exploding to an even higher number if he had been given the chance to pitch through some situations. But he was treated much like a rookie pitcher. (Just couldn’t seem to make it through 6) FW thinks he just needs to build up his stamina,could be,or it could be that the 3rd time through the order, either the breaking ball isn’t as sharp or teams begin to sit on it.

Joe Cool

October 9th, 2012
10:59 am

Off-season Targets (free agent or trade): Zack Grienke, P (LAA), Ben Revere, CF/LF (MIN), Dexter Fowler, CF (COL), Wil Myers, OF (KC), Nick Swisher, LF (NYY); Prado moves to 3B with Juan Francisco backing up. Reed Johnson is the fourth outfielder. Pick up the options on BMAC, Huddy, and Maholm. Re-sign Ross and Moylan. Trade bait: Tommy Hanson, Delgado, or Teheran (Only in the right deal and if Grienke is signed; You have to give up something to get something.)

Lew

October 9th, 2012
11:01 am

DS1 – And if your plan is to utilize the young pitching, somewhere along the line you have to let them pitch and evaluate them at the big league level. This is the year.

N8

October 9th, 2012
11:01 am

“Keep in mind this is a 94 win team and not some 100 game loser that needs rerworking. Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.”

I think my only concern with that (and it’s more a “cautious/curious” outlook), is that we were a 94 win team with Chipper playing above the level everybody thought he would in his final season when in the lineup and he was also the leader. Mac for a short while (and Uggla) played very well, but Mac’s possible injury could hinder him moving forward and who the hell knows what you’re going to get with Uggla? Add in that it’s not reasonable to expect Medlen to do for a full season what he did.

monty

October 9th, 2012
11:02 am

Announcers said Loshe was a free agent. Cant imagine St. Louis letting him get away, but the guy is filthy. Would love to have him.

Tumbledown

October 9th, 2012
11:02 am

Chipper is a hall of famer no doubt. Before the Wild Card game, I argued extensively with a friend that he he is a first ballot hal of famer. But, I was thoroughly disappointed about everything he did in connection with the Wild Card game.

First, Chipper comminicates before the game that he knew it was time to hang it up because he was not nervous at all. I beleive at that point the team leader needed to promote enthusiasm and an attitude of laying it all out. Rather, it seemed to me that he was looking more forward to the end as opposed to launching a great playoff run.

Second, he makes the crucial error of the game that spins it in the Cardinals’ direction. Rather than recalling past glory plays by Chipper in the post season, this play recalled to me past playoff misteps by Chipper in the field.

Finally, his effort on his final at bat seemed to establish that he really wanted it all to end. Very disappointing. I know the Braves will miss his production, and he was a leader in many respects. He is a hall of famer (not a first ballot in my eyes anymore when considering his post season career). But, the Braves need new leadership in the clubhouse. That day is at hand.

DAP

October 9th, 2012
11:05 am

this is my mock 25 man roster for 2013 with the players under contract inserted where we can reasonably expect them to be. there are alot of holes to fill. i didnt assume on here that anyone will be re signed (although im pretty sure about david ross). also, im not absolutely positive that guys like o’flarety or fransisco will make it through the offseason without getting traded, and not sure that guys like gearrin or pastornicky will make the team.

Braves 2013 25-Man
Lineup
1. Brian McCann C
2. Freddie Freeman 1B
3. Dan Uggla 2B
4. Andrelton Simmons SS
5. Martin Prado 3B
6. LF
7. CF
8. Jason Heyward RF
Rotation
9. Tim Hudson SP
10. Tommy Hanson SP
11. Paul Maholm SP
12. Kris Medlen SP
13. Mike Minor SP
Bullpen
14. Craig Kimbrel CL
15. Jonny Venters (LHP) RP
16. Eric O’Flarety (LHP) RP
17. Cory Gearrin RP
18. RP
19. Christhian Martinez RP
20. Luis Avilan (LHP) RP
Bench
21.
22.
23.
24. Juan Fransisco 3B
25. Tyler Pastornicky INF

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
11:05 am

Why do we need to go out and get SP’ing when we are growing our own?

For the same reason you don’t let kids drink alcohol until they are at least a little bit grown up: maturity and experience.

What some here are saying is that the young pitching can go out on the town tonight, LOL, and let’s not quibble over that legal drinking age thing.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
11:05 am

I like our young pitching, but they haven’t proven anything yet. As a contender, we can’t really just fill 2-3 spots with them and hope they stick. Look at Minor and Delgado this year. Both almost lost their rotation spots (in fact Delgado did).

In our rotation next year, we’re counting on a 38 yr old (Hudson), a guy with 30 career starts who just had the best 12 of his young career (Medlen), another who had a good half-season (Minor), a 30 yr old who averaged a 3.66 ERA his last 2 years (and has had an ERA under 4.00 3 out of 7 years), and Delgado (who has made all of 19 career starts) or Teheran (who has 4)

Rick C

October 9th, 2012
11:05 am

In 12 seasons, Lohse has had a sub-4 ERA only 3 times. No thanks.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
11:07 am

Nathan – I think those are questions that could be asked every year with every team. Last year it was could Prado and Heyward come back to form (of course, they did) and could Hanson and Jurrjens return (some and not at all).

Always going to be questions no matter the year or the team. I’m much more concerned with filling those outfield positions. Prado will give us a full year offense at third (not just 100 games) and better defense by far than Chipper. Like I said before – I’m more concerned losing Chipper’s presence than his bat or glove. But it all hinges on who FW gets to fill those outfield spots.

Joe Cool

October 9th, 2012
11:08 am

I didn’t mention Bourne, but with Boras as his agent, we are not going to be the team that over pays for his services, so he’s not likely to resign in my mind. He’ll be looking for Carl Crawford money and we all see what happened to Carl Crawford after age 30. Sorry Michael thanks for the year and half of solid baseball.

TennesseePaul

October 9th, 2012
11:09 am

I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year.

A September call up is, in my view, hardly a three level jump. He could very well be called up in September much like Boscan was called up. Spend all the post-minor-league-play time sitting on the bench and then start the next season at AAA.

He gets called up mid-season, then I’d think it was a three level jump brought on by a surprise outburst in talent and productivity, or a colossal meltdown of talent and productivity throughout the entire organization.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
11:09 am

Forgot to mention – NO, unlikely that Meds pitches like he did for a full season, but then again, it’s also unlikely that MInor pitches like HE did the first half and much more likely he pitches like he did after the AS break.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
11:09 am

The guys we will be adding next off season to the SP will be names like Beachy, Delgado, Teheran and Graham.

Heck, even Brandon Beachy only has 40 career starts! Didn’t pitch a full season yet (had an oblique issue in 2011, elbow this year)

The rotation has some “ifs” in it.

Double Zero Eight

October 9th, 2012
11:12 am

Trade Hanson while you can still get somene of value.
Get a big bat. The Braves have enough starting pitchers.
Give Tehran and Delgado a chance, or trade them
Without the addition of a big bat, it will be “one and done”
in the playoffs again.

DS1

October 9th, 2012
11:13 am

Lew

I agree that 2013 is the year that a couple of those guys must get some serious innings in the bigs. Teheran and Delgado.

TOBF

Starting pitching is not going to be reliable until they get some experience. See answer to Lew above. We can’t just expect these guys to come up and get a handful of starts and then be at their potential. Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz all required some seasoning.

Gotta run folks.

Thanks DOB for the response on the bench.

Lew

October 9th, 2012
11:15 am

OnlyBraves – Well, Delgado only was up because Hudson was hurt – otherwise, he likely would not have made but a couple of starts late in the year. As for Minor? I think maybe you have to look at his second half performance and admit that he’s turned into a much better pitcher already than many believed was even possible.

Somewhere along the line, the Kids need to pitch and to prove themselves – it’s just the nature of the beast. Since we’re already hearing form the “we won’t ever win anything ever again crowd a mere three or so days after a pretty damned good year, why not give them their shot – I mean we’re going to lose anyway……..

DAP

October 9th, 2012
11:18 am

lew You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.

thats not what he said, and not how i read it. besides, havent we learned that what the GM doesnt always mean what we think he does when he says something?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
11:19 am

it’s also unlikely that MInor pitches like HE did the first half and much more likely he pitches like he did after the AS break.

2.16 ERA is likely for Minor next year? I’m expecting an ERA near 3.70 or so.

DS1

October 9th, 2012
11:19 am

Bottom line is this: We have some very good and talented prospects that are on the cusp of making it or not in the bigs. They will take some time to develop, but if we (the Braves) truly believe they have what it takes to be mid to top of the rotation arms, it would be wise to bring them along and not go chasing after someone else’s already developed starting pitching ($$).

Pitching can be so fickle. Pitchers seem to get injured much moreso than position players. Any time you go after someone else’s gem, you risk losing that guy for a year or forever to injury.

Better to risk it on your own prospects who don’t cost you nearly as much.

Now, if you don’t think they have what it takes, then trade them before everybody else finds out too!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
11:24 am

Starting pitching is not going to be reliable until they get some experience. We can’t just expect these guys to come up and get a handful of starts and then be at their potential.

Of course… I’d just like to have a good #1-2 leading them.

I’ve already outlined next years’ rotation. 2014 is looking like : #1 Medlen, #2 Beachy, #3 Minor, #4 Delgado/Teheran, #5 Graham/Gilmartin

I’m also taking a look at the FA market… we have better options available this year rather than next (when Frank will add at least 1, I’m sure). I’d go ahead and get the SP out of the way now.

David O'Brien

October 9th, 2012
11:24 am

What about Hinske? Are his Braves days over? — Murph

Writing’s on the wall with that. Hinske knew, it seemed, when they were cleaning out lockers. They’re gonna miss him a lot in clubhouse. But just hasn’t produced past two years to warrant bringing him back.

Kwajbraves

October 9th, 2012
11:24 am

@ Joe Cool: I like the Myers idea a lot but I don’t thik he is available. It would take alot to pry him away from the Royals. Cain may be a more realistic option.

Odelay

October 9th, 2012
11:24 am

Agree with you there, Lew. I like our chances with Minor next season. Also, Meds won’t have to pitch like Verlander all year to be a solid contributor, so with those two guys and Hudson, we have three good pitchers, even if we don’t have an elite ace-type of arm. Not a terrible state to be in before you even enter your offseason. Some teams would kill for that.

The biggest focus will obviously be CF, which they’ve already said they would address in way that would also solve their leadoff problem. Wren has shown he’s very good at filling out a bench, so I wouldn’t worry about that. You have think there’s no way they let Ross leave, especially with B-Mac banged up. One things is imperative, though, and that’s improving the infield defense. We’ve made a string of embarrassing early exits from the postseason recently because of it, so its time to do some tweaking there. If only we could dump Uggla on someone…

TennesseePaul

October 9th, 2012
11:25 am

You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.

…besides, havent we learned that what the GM doesnt always mean what we think he does when he says something?

So true. His interview-immediately-following-season-ending-heartbreak is usually not indicative of what moves he’ll make.

He look at what’s out there and what makes sense for the team. As he said, he’s trying to build a team, not add a player. He could very well make all sorts of moves no one saw coming. That’s generally what is stated as most plausible in off-seasons past, stands to reason it would still be the same this off-season.

On another note, those are just rumors from MLBTradeRumors. One could hardly lend them any credence.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
11:27 am

DS1

October 9th, 2012
11:29 am

TOBF

Let’s assume that next year is Huddy’s last. Might not be, but that would be a logical assumption. How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.

And if you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin and Graham for 2014, why would you need to add another arm this winter???

It’s not like we have an overabundance of money to spend to go out and get big salaried pitchers “just in case” we need them.

And in all this discussion, we are still not talking about the fact that it’s possible that Hanson could fill a role with us too. I am not ready to write off anyone with that sort of stuff, weird release or not.

Murph

October 9th, 2012
11:33 am

I am not ready to write off anyone with that sort of stuff, weird release or not.

What sort of stuff? The stuff that keeps getting deposited 10 rows back of the CF wall?

Hanson hasn’t had “that sort of stuff” in 2+ seasons.

TennesseePaul

October 9th, 2012
11:36 am

And if you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin and Graham for 2014, why would you need to add another arm this winter???

The team isn’t going to have all those guys for 2014. I could not tell you which will not be present. Wren has stated that this off-season he has holes to fill and that the available players on the free agent market are not all that appetizing. As such, there will be trades and it takes talent to acquire talent.

ncscoots

October 9th, 2012
11:36 am

How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.

Why? He’s likely to be no more than the fourth best pitcher on the team in 2013, let alone the year after.

In my view, the best option is to trade both Hanson and Maholm, pick up a stud pitcher, give Teheran the fifth spot, and pencil Beachy into take Hudson’s spot in 2014 (assuming Hudson retires). That allows Medlen and Minor to pitch at lower slots and get more favorable matchups in 2013, and gives them a chance to get more experience before asking them to front the rotation.

The FO may not think that way, but that’s how I see it. Might as well get it out there in front of the Winter Meetings. :-)

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 9th, 2012
11:41 am

I think next year is Maholm’s last as well… we have another who may be ready to go. He’ll be 32, and isn’t a dominant pitcher. He’s currently our 4th best pitcher. Not a must-have.

Also, we won’t have all the pitchers you named. I bet that at least 2 of them are gone before 2014.

Medlen, Minor, Beachy, etc. may be good pitchers. They haven’t shown enough though. I’m not ready to call them 1-2s yet. It’s a good rotation, but not great. I’d love to have an ace that strikes fear in opposing hitters, especially in the playoffs.

Jimmy

October 9th, 2012
11:45 am

My three days of mourning are over.
Good to see some regulars on here.

My take is that we have three needs: 3rd, CF and catcher. And as mentioned before, FA catchers list is thin.

Arizona Brave

October 9th, 2012
11:46 am

DOB
You said Hinsky has not done anything in the last two years to warrant bringing him back,what about Uggla who has not done anything in the last two years and is a everyday player?

Kwajbraves

October 9th, 2012
11:46 am

What sort of stuff? The stuff that keeps getting deposited 10 rows back of the CF wall?

The painful truth but somehow you made it sound funny. lol

chipontheroad

October 9th, 2012
11:47 am

I hope Rodger McDowell wants a change of scenery and someone hires away Tosca

Trey

October 9th, 2012
11:50 am

I do like Hinske, but letting him go seems like it is the best option.

Rick C

October 9th, 2012
11:50 am

Arizona Brave, Hinske’s contract is done. Uggla has three more years at 12 mil per year. Very different situations. And also Uggla has still contributed significantly more than Hinske.

Jimmy

October 9th, 2012
11:50 am

“what about Uggla who has not done anything in the last two years”

Kind of stretching that out a bit, aren’t you?

Hater.

DAP

October 9th, 2012
11:53 am

DS1 Let’s assume that next year is Huddy’s last. Might not be, but that would be a logical assumption. How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.

And if you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin and Graham for 2014, why would you need to add another arm this winter???

you make alot of assumptions there that i wouldnt make. if im wren, i add a starter if i think i can get one about has good as huddy for a good price. this offseason.

scoots In my view, the best option is to trade both Hanson and Maholm, pick up a stud pitcher, give Teheran the fifth spot, and pencil Beachy into take Hudson’s spot in 2014 (assuming Hudson retires).

this is absolutely a solid plan.

P-Town Brave ©

October 9th, 2012
11:54 am

Back to the question that was asked of me before I was rudely interrupted w/ a work meeting (seriously I’m just kidding about that as I wouldn’t even be able to afford to keep the internet w/o my job)

Anyways, no, I don’t feel Hanson by himself will net ANYTHING of worth….and to think we can just throw Hanson in and get Alex Gordon is preposterous….

I mean jeez guys….yeah lets send Uggla out and move Prado to 2b and bring in Hamilton and while we are at it, we can make Paul Janish into a 20 hr guy and implode Turner Field and have a brand new park we don’t lose elimination games in all prior to next April….

Now….can you see how ridiculous that all sounds?

Yeah, about as ridiculous as some of the “fantasy draft” type speculation on here…..

I mean cmon guys, most of these trades you’re proposing won’t work on a video game, let alone w/ an actual human GM….

Murph

October 9th, 2012
11:54 am

Gotta save a few trade pieces for the 2013 trade deadline… I’m sure there will be some unanticipated needs by then.

I just hope Hanson is moved by then… I’d hate for his value to drop even lower after a miserable spring and 1st half.

P-Town Brave ©

October 9th, 2012
11:56 am

Oh, and for all the people riding on McCann…

Cmon, how many of you have actually played that think you could still swing a bat w/ the greatest of ease and not lose your power w/ as bad as his shoulder was?

benchwarmer

October 9th, 2012
11:56 am

Yea some of the trade ideas are pretty silly. Like wanting Constanza to be a regular player is silly. BMac is still the best option at catcher until it is proven his injuries and vision problems have permanently impaired his offensive abilities. With no offense BMac is less than steller.

N8

October 9th, 2012
11:56 am

I’m not what to expect ERA wise from Minor, mid-3.00’s I suppose. But one thing I think he’s finally gotten over the hump on is using so many pitches to get through 5 innings.

I don’t think anybody ever saw him being an Ace. But I’d like to see him turn into a 3-4 guy (maybe a 2) that eats innings and always gives you a chance to win. Kind of like a Denny Neagle in his prime maybe?

Bottom line is this. Even if only by 1/3 of an inning over Huddy…. Minor led the team in innings.

That’s a good sign for him being a productive pitcher moving forward.

benchwarmer

October 9th, 2012
11:57 am

And in my opinion Hanson is done. Just like JJ.

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