4:50 pm October 8, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 9th, 201210:03 am
My guess is Bethancourt restarts at Mississippi next season, and if he improves, advances to Gwinnett in the summer. Maybe he gets to Atlanta in September.
I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year.
October 9th, 201210:04 am
Lew, I do think the attendance decline from the 3 million mark that was being hit routinely in the late 90’s also has a lot to do with the decline of native Atlantans as well as income.
October 9th, 201210:05 am
scoots There’s much more wrong with his swing than just his length, from what I’ve seen.
im no expert, but to me it looks like every chance fransisco has to do something wrong in his swing, he does it. timing with his leg kick, the head, the swing itself, everything. id trade him for a bullpen arm for 2013.
October 9th, 201210:07 am
I don’t know about re-signing McCann, but one thing I CAN say is this organization has pretty good track record of knowing just WHEN to get rid of fan favorites. It hurts to see these guys go, but the two cases Immediately come to mind when I think of the Braves parting with fan favorites: John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. The Braves were correct in both cases for allowing these two to walk. I can also look at Javy Lopez, and boy did Baltimore regret that one.
The Braves drew 3+ mil for six seasons in the middle of their run of 14 consecutive championships – 6 times in the past 21 seasons. in 91 they pulled in 2.1 mil, 94 – 2.5, 95-2.5 96 – 2.9. – right in line with the numbers since 2000.
For thirteen million dollars,I believe the braves could find a better clutch hitter than McCann. Give me a break – Last place with RISP.
If McCann goes, who’s going to catch, other than Ross, who likely can’t hold up to the daily grinding of being the regular, for reasons discussed?
Depends on how teachable JF is. Otherwise, I’d agree with you. But you can’t teach that sort of power so you don’t dismiss him without giving it a lot of work and time.
October 9th, 201210:08 am
I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year.
Stranger things have happened. And where is Bethancourt from, anyway?
Cecil – I don’t know – maybe the loss of the natives is telling. But I really don’t think we ever really were a city destined to attreact that many fans long term. It’s just unrealistic.
“Last place with RISP.”
I’ve been wondering about that but hadn’t looked it up. If so, I’m not surprised.
October 9th, 201210:10 am
Except we don’t need more bullpen arms (got more coming up) and we DO need aback up third baseman.
October 9th, 201210:11 am
And where is Bethancourt from, anyway?
Panama. So, I guess he could go voodoo on us and purchase some pitch recognition and strike-zone judgement, LOL.
October 9th, 201210:18 am
Not much in the free agent market will tighten the trade market. I don’t expect anything overwhelming this offseason.
So what’s the over/under
If, a 7 game World Series. 24 days + Winter Meetings 5 days = 29 days. Turkey Season.
October 9th, 201210:20 am
Bite the bullet and break the bank and get rid of Uggla. Prado to second, Josh Hamilton to left and David Wright at 3rd. See how simple it is?
Simple? Sounds more like stupid… We’re gonna pay to get rid of Uggla, pay for Hamilton (who struggles massively at times and will decline) and trade 2-3 top prospects for Wright.
October 9th, 201210:22 am
2014 Free Agent Catchers:
John Buck (33)
Jesus Flores (29)
Ryan Hanigan (33)
Ramon Hernandez (38)
Wil Nieves (36)
Brayan Pena (32)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (29)
Geovany Soto (31)
Kurt Suzuki (30) – $8.5MM club option with a $650K buyout
October 9th, 201210:23 am
I like Hamilton and have pulled for him since his substance abuse struggles. However, I don’t like the idea of giving him a long-term contract. He’s very injury-prone, he’s aging, and there’s always that “what if” factor. I’ll pass.
I think we can do better than Juan as backup 3B (would prefer a better contact hitter). However, he does have power and is cheap. No need to trade him just to trade him.
October 9th, 201210:24 am
2014 Free Agent Catchers:…Blech.
October 9th, 201210:26 am
October 9th, 201210:27 am
Who’s out there?
DS1 But you can’t teach that sort of power so you don’t dismiss him without giving it a lot of work and time.
the braves dont have time to give him. hes not gonna start, because we expect to win, and hes likely to make too many outs to be worth it. i think the braves use him as a chip, let some team that has time to let him develop take a chance.
lew Except we don’t need more bullpen arms (got more coming up) and we DO need aback up third baseman.
you always need bullpen arms.
October 9th, 201210:32 am
a year ago, the reds traded fransisco for jj hoover. thats a good arm. braves ought to be able to get a comparable player for him this off season.
I don’t think Bethancourt has it in him to develop into an legit MLB hitter in a single season, at least not based on his 2012 performance. Hope he pleasantly surprises people, but I wouldn’t count on it.
Don’t you have to see if the team can re-sign Johnson, first? I would think the bench roster decisions kinda depend on whether he’s on the squad or not.
October 9th, 201210:33 am
Fontenot, Theriot, and Eric Chavez.
Shortest distance between two points is a straight line. We need two outfielders. Straight line says that’s what we’ll get and not branch out in all sorts of different directions, looking to trade everyone fans have given up on, haven’t had much of a chance to prove themselves or tweaking positions that don’t need tweaking.
Keep in mind this is a 94 win team and not some 100 game loser that needs rerworking. Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.
October 9th, 201210:36 am
I know Gattis was a long-shot and not really an option at any position, but I’m still sad that he got hurt. Would have at least made for an entertaining offseason, plugging him in to LF (or C) and coming up with more tales of his supernatural abilities.
I think that sums it up.
October 9th, 201210:37 am
Outside of Chavez, not much power…
Juan has power, but that’s about it. Very little contact, a poor eye, leading to many strikeouts. Doesn’t seem like the recipe for a good pinch-hitter.
October 9th, 201210:39 am
Sorry to hear about McFann…she was a spot of sunshine on the ever darkening blog. I have enjoyed the lively and (mostly) thoughtful discussions here since 2006. However, over this past year, (most notably since the Sept swoon), it has become increasingly a refuge for the clueless and imature whiners to collectively work each other up into a vitriolic and hateful frenzy. I have continued to come on, to pick up the few knowledgeable nuggets from the serious baseball fans, which have become a smaller and smaller portion of the discussion. I find that I have lost a lot of interest in most of what is being said here. Reminds me a lot of the current state of politics. You will likey hear a lot less from me, at least for the time being.
As Lew said, many of you should really feel proud of yourselves for bullying a teenage girl off of the blog. McFann, whereever you are, keep the faith.
“Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.”
That’s pretty much what Wren said in his interview with DOB.
Francisco starting at 3rd is not an option for next year. We have to get someone either at 3rd or LF with numbers we can count on(track record). Francisco might provide some pop but doubtful it would be in key situations and he just doesn’t hit LHP. He could end up with a .215.,.280,.440 slash line. with his power coming in low pressure situations with tons of strikeouts. If Uggla doesn’t rebound then that would be 2 blackholes back to back in the lineup. Only proven players please.
October 9th, 201210:42 am
Sorry to hear about McFann…she was a spot of sunshine on the ever darkening blog.
I see as dangerous the notion that the SP is fine without adding a front-line starter. After Hudson, there just isn’t enough experience with the guys who will be asked to go toe-to-toe with the best pitchers in the league.
raleighbraves – she said she’s staying in touch with several bloggers – CAB, VJ, Myself and a few others and might return (albeit briefly) sometime in the future.
October 9th, 201210:43 am
Murph – She got fed up with the hate, and has left the blog.
October 9th, 201210:44 am
Murph – No – she just got sick of a lot of the negative commentary, McCann and player bashing and left the blog – at least temporarily
October 9th, 201210:46 am
lew looking to trade everyone fans have given up on, haven’t had much of a chance to prove themselves or tweaking positions that don’t need tweaking.
theres alot of wisdom there. this is a 94 win team. but lets be real. this team, whether we like it or not, will be drastically different next season. we have some free agents, but most importantly, we have the face of the franchise over the last two decades gone. this team by necessity needs more than a tweak. thats just my opinion. i know chipper didnt play full time, but the hole he leaves is substantial. in addition to the holes in LF and CF, the bench needs to be rebuilt (or reassembled). almost all of those guys are free agents. there is at least one big hole in the bullpen, too. our inning leader is a free agent. so, im not seeing a straight line to getting this team ready to win 90+ games again in 2013.
MEDLIN HUDSON BEACHY MAHOLM MINOR IS YOUR STARTING ROTATION RELEASE HANSON TODAY.
October 9th, 201210:47 am
scoots -This is the year when you’ve got to bring the kids up, let them show what they can do or trade them. Next winter is when they’ll revamp the staff (after this year’s evaluation), when Hudson and Malholm’s contract expire and they’ll have that additional $15 mil to play with..
October 9th, 201210:48 am
Others have made great suggestions in their postings. I humbly suggest that the Braves need to target players from teams who have experienced success in the playoffs. The Braves as a whole have spit the bit come playoff time over the last ten of so years. Players like Uggla and Bourn rarely or never come up with a key late season or post season hit. We got them from losing franchises such as Houston and Florida.
I suggest we target players like Swisher or Victorino for the outfield. At least I can remember these players being clutch in the playoffs. There are certainly more targets out there to fulflll the Braves’ needs. I am tired of the team alway coming up short in pressure situations. I remember back in 1990-91, the Braves acquired free agents Sid Bream, Terry Pendleton, and Rafael Belliard. All three of these players had played with teams who made it and/or had some success in the playoffs. These clutch players (even Belliard) made big contributions for the Braves during a time when they had great young talent as well.
Brave New World
Thankfully, we will not be the team that signs Josh Hamilton. He is injury-prone, has an addictive nature, and he struck out 162 times in 2012. He will want $25 million or more per season for 5-7 years. He will likely go to a team with deep pockets, and he will have unbelievable pressure to perform – this is a recipe for disaster (even if he stays physically healthy). For less than what Josh will command we can have both Shane Victorino and Angel Pagan, two switch hitters with speed. GO BRAVES!
Wren is a Schuerholz wannabe. Fredi is a Bobby Cox poseur. The Braves will never win anything again until they’re both gone.
October 9th, 201210:49 am
It’s not like we need to deal JF. The return we would get is not going to be a huge piece, and unless he is packaged to go somewhere that desires him, then I’d say keep him and let him learn under the tutelage of Walker and company.
October 9th, 201210:50 am
DAP – I see what you’re saying, but disagree about what might be done about it. They’ll get the pieces they need and not mess with the areas thae relatively set. You lose a lot of clubhouse leadership with Chipper and 100 games of offense.The offense can be made up – and that’s another reason Mac won’t have his option declined – they need his clubhouse presence now that CJ is gone.
McFann, you are wise beyond your years in taking time away from here. “Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are pure,whatsoever things are lovely….think on these things.” Best wishes.
October 9th, 201210:51 am
There isn’t much good SP next offseason… Josh Johnson, Matt Garza, and Lincecum are the 3 biggest names. Doesn’t really compare with Greinke, Haren, McCarthy in my opinion.
I’d rather add that top SP this winter, especially since our guys outside of Huddy/Maholm are all “young”. Next year, they’ll all be a bit more seasoned.
October 9th, 201210:52 am
How about Johnny Damon to PH off the bench? (he says only half kidding)
October 9th, 201210:53 am
So McFann joins a long list of people who have taken their ball and gone home. I have no more tears to shed over the loss of another quality blog contributor.
I hope that the rest of you, at least the few of you that I like and have managed to stay the course through this season’s blog unrest, continue to utilize your scroll wheels and thick skins into 2013 and beyond.
Much like the Braves, we may lose some solid players, but the games still go on, regardless.
OnlyBraves – You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.
October 9th, 201210:55 am
Is there any indication that FW wants to hang onto any of the group of Reed Johnson, Lyle Overbay and Jeff Baker? How about Chad Durbin in the pen? (I’m guessing a lot might depend on what kind of contract they are looking for) — DS1
Since he says the bullpen will be intact, to me that likely includes Durbin, as he was one of the handful of key guys (not as big as Kimbrel and O’Flaherty, obviously, but as important as anyone else if you look at the entire season of work).
Off the bench, of those three I would say Reed Johnson is most likely to return, provided the contract is reasonable. He liked it here and Braves liked him a lot. But if another team offers significantly more, who knows?
October 9th, 201210:56 am
The guys we will be adding next off season to the SP will be names like Beachy, Delgado, Teheran and Graham.
Why do we need to go out and get SP’ing when we are growing our own?
What about Hinske? Are his Braves days over?
I sure hope so.
October 9th, 201210:57 am
DOB I missed the question about Fredi calling a bunt with one out and men on second and third with a nohitting pitcher up next. The announcers were apologizing for Simmons because he made a rookie mistake by bunting — bill
You missed it because it was asked — by me — in the group interview with Fredi immediately after the game. Go back to the quotes after Friday’s game, and Fredi answers the question about bunting in that situation.
October 9th, 201210:59 am
I think if you can get a decent return for Hanson you have to move him. IMO he was protected moreso than any of our other starters by FG. As soon as he started looking tired or was about to get into trouble FG went and got him. So in other words, his ERA was protected from exploding to an even higher number if he had been given the chance to pitch through some situations. But he was treated much like a rookie pitcher. (Just couldn’t seem to make it through 6) FW thinks he just needs to build up his stamina,could be,or it could be that the 3rd time through the order, either the breaking ball isn’t as sharp or teams begin to sit on it.
Off-season Targets (free agent or trade): Zack Grienke, P (LAA), Ben Revere, CF/LF (MIN), Dexter Fowler, CF (COL), Wil Myers, OF (KC), Nick Swisher, LF (NYY); Prado moves to 3B with Juan Francisco backing up. Reed Johnson is the fourth outfielder. Pick up the options on BMAC, Huddy, and Maholm. Re-sign Ross and Moylan. Trade bait: Tommy Hanson, Delgado, or Teheran (Only in the right deal and if Grienke is signed; You have to give up something to get something.)
October 9th, 201211:01 am
DS1 – And if your plan is to utilize the young pitching, somewhere along the line you have to let them pitch and evaluate them at the big league level. This is the year.
“Keep in mind this is a 94 win team and not some 100 game loser that needs rerworking. Fill the needs that need filling with the best players we can find and play some baseball.”
I think my only concern with that (and it’s more a “cautious/curious” outlook), is that we were a 94 win team with Chipper playing above the level everybody thought he would in his final season when in the lineup and he was also the leader. Mac for a short while (and Uggla) played very well, but Mac’s possible injury could hinder him moving forward and who the hell knows what you’re going to get with Uggla? Add in that it’s not reasonable to expect Medlen to do for a full season what he did.
October 9th, 201211:02 am
Announcers said Loshe was a free agent. Cant imagine St. Louis letting him get away, but the guy is filthy. Would love to have him.
Chipper is a hall of famer no doubt. Before the Wild Card game, I argued extensively with a friend that he he is a first ballot hal of famer. But, I was thoroughly disappointed about everything he did in connection with the Wild Card game.
First, Chipper comminicates before the game that he knew it was time to hang it up because he was not nervous at all. I beleive at that point the team leader needed to promote enthusiasm and an attitude of laying it all out. Rather, it seemed to me that he was looking more forward to the end as opposed to launching a great playoff run.
Second, he makes the crucial error of the game that spins it in the Cardinals’ direction. Rather than recalling past glory plays by Chipper in the post season, this play recalled to me past playoff misteps by Chipper in the field.
Finally, his effort on his final at bat seemed to establish that he really wanted it all to end. Very disappointing. I know the Braves will miss his production, and he was a leader in many respects. He is a hall of famer (not a first ballot in my eyes anymore when considering his post season career). But, the Braves need new leadership in the clubhouse. That day is at hand.
October 9th, 201211:05 am
this is my mock 25 man roster for 2013 with the players under contract inserted where we can reasonably expect them to be. there are alot of holes to fill. i didnt assume on here that anyone will be re signed (although im pretty sure about david ross). also, im not absolutely positive that guys like o’flarety or fransisco will make it through the offseason without getting traded, and not sure that guys like gearrin or pastornicky will make the team.
Braves 2013 25-Man
1. Brian McCann C
2. Freddie Freeman 1B
3. Dan Uggla 2B
4. Andrelton Simmons SS
5. Martin Prado 3B
8. Jason Heyward RF
9. Tim Hudson SP
10. Tommy Hanson SP
11. Paul Maholm SP
12. Kris Medlen SP
13. Mike Minor SP
14. Craig Kimbrel CL
15. Jonny Venters (LHP) RP
16. Eric O’Flarety (LHP) RP
17. Cory Gearrin RP
19. Christhian Martinez RP
20. Luis Avilan (LHP) RP
24. Juan Fransisco 3B
25. Tyler Pastornicky INF
For the same reason you don’t let kids drink alcohol until they are at least a little bit grown up: maturity and experience.
What some here are saying is that the young pitching can go out on the town tonight, LOL, and let’s not quibble over that legal drinking age thing.
I like our young pitching, but they haven’t proven anything yet. As a contender, we can’t really just fill 2-3 spots with them and hope they stick. Look at Minor and Delgado this year. Both almost lost their rotation spots (in fact Delgado did).
In our rotation next year, we’re counting on a 38 yr old (Hudson), a guy with 30 career starts who just had the best 12 of his young career (Medlen), another who had a good half-season (Minor), a 30 yr old who averaged a 3.66 ERA his last 2 years (and has had an ERA under 4.00 3 out of 7 years), and Delgado (who has made all of 19 career starts) or Teheran (who has 4)
In 12 seasons, Lohse has had a sub-4 ERA only 3 times. No thanks.
October 9th, 201211:07 am
Nathan – I think those are questions that could be asked every year with every team. Last year it was could Prado and Heyward come back to form (of course, they did) and could Hanson and Jurrjens return (some and not at all).
Always going to be questions no matter the year or the team. I’m much more concerned with filling those outfield positions. Prado will give us a full year offense at third (not just 100 games) and better defense by far than Chipper. Like I said before – I’m more concerned losing Chipper’s presence than his bat or glove. But it all hinges on who FW gets to fill those outfield spots.
October 9th, 201211:08 am
I didn’t mention Bourne, but with Boras as his agent, we are not going to be the team that over pays for his services, so he’s not likely to resign in my mind. He’ll be looking for Carl Crawford money and we all see what happened to Carl Crawford after age 30. Sorry Michael thanks for the year and half of solid baseball.
October 9th, 201211:09 am
I’d look for signs of alien inhabitation if that guy were to make three levels in a year.
A September call up is, in my view, hardly a three level jump. He could very well be called up in September much like Boscan was called up. Spend all the post-minor-league-play time sitting on the bench and then start the next season at AAA.
He gets called up mid-season, then I’d think it was a three level jump brought on by a surprise outburst in talent and productivity, or a colossal meltdown of talent and productivity throughout the entire organization.
Forgot to mention – NO, unlikely that Meds pitches like he did for a full season, but then again, it’s also unlikely that MInor pitches like HE did the first half and much more likely he pitches like he did after the AS break.
Heck, even Brandon Beachy only has 40 career starts! Didn’t pitch a full season yet (had an oblique issue in 2011, elbow this year)
The rotation has some “ifs” in it.
Double Zero Eight
October 9th, 201211:12 am
Trade Hanson while you can still get somene of value.
Get a big bat. The Braves have enough starting pitchers.
Give Tehran and Delgado a chance, or trade them
Without the addition of a big bat, it will be “one and done”
in the playoffs again.
October 9th, 201211:13 am
I agree that 2013 is the year that a couple of those guys must get some serious innings in the bigs. Teheran and Delgado.
Starting pitching is not going to be reliable until they get some experience. See answer to Lew above. We can’t just expect these guys to come up and get a handful of starts and then be at their potential. Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz all required some seasoning.
Gotta run folks.
Thanks DOB for the response on the bench.
October 9th, 201211:15 am
OnlyBraves – Well, Delgado only was up because Hudson was hurt – otherwise, he likely would not have made but a couple of starts late in the year. As for Minor? I think maybe you have to look at his second half performance and admit that he’s turned into a much better pitcher already than many believed was even possible.
Somewhere along the line, the Kids need to pitch and to prove themselves – it’s just the nature of the beast. Since we’re already hearing form the “we won’t ever win anything ever again crowd a mere three or so days after a pretty damned good year, why not give them their shot – I mean we’re going to lose anyway……..
October 9th, 201211:18 am
lew You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.
thats not what he said, and not how i read it. besides, havent we learned that what the GM doesnt always mean what we think he does when he says something?
October 9th, 201211:19 am
it’s also unlikely that MInor pitches like HE did the first half and much more likely he pitches like he did after the AS break.
2.16 ERA is likely for Minor next year? I’m expecting an ERA near 3.70 or so.
Bottom line is this: We have some very good and talented prospects that are on the cusp of making it or not in the bigs. They will take some time to develop, but if we (the Braves) truly believe they have what it takes to be mid to top of the rotation arms, it would be wise to bring them along and not go chasing after someone else’s already developed starting pitching ($$).
Pitching can be so fickle. Pitchers seem to get injured much moreso than position players. Any time you go after someone else’s gem, you risk losing that guy for a year or forever to injury.
Better to risk it on your own prospects who don’t cost you nearly as much.
Now, if you don’t think they have what it takes, then trade them before everybody else finds out too!
October 9th, 201211:24 am
Starting pitching is not going to be reliable until they get some experience. We can’t just expect these guys to come up and get a handful of starts and then be at their potential.
Of course… I’d just like to have a good #1-2 leading them.
I’ve already outlined next years’ rotation. 2014 is looking like : #1 Medlen, #2 Beachy, #3 Minor, #4 Delgado/Teheran, #5 Graham/Gilmartin
I’m also taking a look at the FA market… we have better options available this year rather than next (when Frank will add at least 1, I’m sure). I’d go ahead and get the SP out of the way now.
What about Hinske? Are his Braves days over? — Murph
Writing’s on the wall with that. Hinske knew, it seemed, when they were cleaning out lockers. They’re gonna miss him a lot in clubhouse. But just hasn’t produced past two years to warrant bringing him back.
@ Joe Cool: I like the Myers idea a lot but I don’t thik he is available. It would take alot to pry him away from the Royals. Cain may be a more realistic option.
Agree with you there, Lew. I like our chances with Minor next season. Also, Meds won’t have to pitch like Verlander all year to be a solid contributor, so with those two guys and Hudson, we have three good pitchers, even if we don’t have an elite ace-type of arm. Not a terrible state to be in before you even enter your offseason. Some teams would kill for that.
The biggest focus will obviously be CF, which they’ve already said they would address in way that would also solve their leadoff problem. Wren has shown he’s very good at filling out a bench, so I wouldn’t worry about that. You have think there’s no way they let Ross leave, especially with B-Mac banged up. One things is imperative, though, and that’s improving the infield defense. We’ve made a string of embarrassing early exits from the postseason recently because of it, so its time to do some tweaking there. If only we could dump Uggla on someone…
October 9th, 201211:25 am
You’ve already had your answer on that topic from Wren – The rotation and bullpen spots are already filled.
…besides, havent we learned that what the GM doesnt always mean what we think he does when he says something?
So true. His interview-immediately-following-season-ending-heartbreak is usually not indicative of what moves he’ll make.
He look at what’s out there and what makes sense for the team. As he said, he’s trying to build a team, not add a player. He could very well make all sorts of moves no one saw coming. That’s generally what is stated as most plausible in off-seasons past, stands to reason it would still be the same this off-season.
On another note, those are just rumors from MLBTradeRumors. One could hardly lend them any credence.
October 9th, 201211:27 am
October 9th, 201211:29 am
Let’s assume that next year is Huddy’s last. Might not be, but that would be a logical assumption. How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.
And if you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin and Graham for 2014, why would you need to add another arm this winter???
It’s not like we have an overabundance of money to spend to go out and get big salaried pitchers “just in case” we need them.
And in all this discussion, we are still not talking about the fact that it’s possible that Hanson could fill a role with us too. I am not ready to write off anyone with that sort of stuff, weird release or not.
October 9th, 201211:33 am
I am not ready to write off anyone with that sort of stuff, weird release or not.
What sort of stuff? The stuff that keeps getting deposited 10 rows back of the CF wall?
Hanson hasn’t had “that sort of stuff” in 2+ seasons.
October 9th, 201211:36 am
The team isn’t going to have all those guys for 2014. I could not tell you which will not be present. Wren has stated that this off-season he has holes to fill and that the available players on the free agent market are not all that appetizing. As such, there will be trades and it takes talent to acquire talent.
How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.
Why? He’s likely to be no more than the fourth best pitcher on the team in 2013, let alone the year after.
In my view, the best option is to trade both Hanson and Maholm, pick up a stud pitcher, give Teheran the fifth spot, and pencil Beachy into take Hudson’s spot in 2014 (assuming Hudson retires). That allows Medlen and Minor to pitch at lower slots and get more favorable matchups in 2013, and gives them a chance to get more experience before asking them to front the rotation.
The FO may not think that way, but that’s how I see it. Might as well get it out there in front of the Winter Meetings.
October 9th, 201211:41 am
I think next year is Maholm’s last as well… we have another who may be ready to go. He’ll be 32, and isn’t a dominant pitcher. He’s currently our 4th best pitcher. Not a must-have.
Also, we won’t have all the pitchers you named. I bet that at least 2 of them are gone before 2014.
Medlen, Minor, Beachy, etc. may be good pitchers. They haven’t shown enough though. I’m not ready to call them 1-2s yet. It’s a good rotation, but not great. I’d love to have an ace that strikes fear in opposing hitters, especially in the playoffs.
October 9th, 201211:45 am
My three days of mourning are over.
Good to see some regulars on here.
My take is that we have three needs: 3rd, CF and catcher. And as mentioned before, FA catchers list is thin.
October 9th, 201211:46 am
You said Hinsky has not done anything in the last two years to warrant bringing him back,what about Uggla who has not done anything in the last two years and is a everyday player?
What sort of stuff? The stuff that keeps getting deposited 10 rows back of the CF wall?
The painful truth but somehow you made it sound funny. lol
October 9th, 201211:47 am
I hope Rodger McDowell wants a change of scenery and someone hires away Tosca
October 9th, 201211:50 am
I do like Hinske, but letting him go seems like it is the best option.
Arizona Brave, Hinske’s contract is done. Uggla has three more years at 12 mil per year. Very different situations. And also Uggla has still contributed significantly more than Hinske.
“what about Uggla who has not done anything in the last two years”
Kind of stretching that out a bit, aren’t you?
October 9th, 201211:53 am
DS1 Let’s assume that next year is Huddy’s last. Might not be, but that would be a logical assumption. How about Maholm? If he does well in 2013, you’d probably sign him up for a couple more years.
you make alot of assumptions there that i wouldnt make. if im wren, i add a starter if i think i can get one about has good as huddy for a good price. this offseason.
scoots In my view, the best option is to trade both Hanson and Maholm, pick up a stud pitcher, give Teheran the fifth spot, and pencil Beachy into take Hudson’s spot in 2014 (assuming Hudson retires).
this is absolutely a solid plan.
P-Town Brave ©
October 9th, 201211:54 am
Back to the question that was asked of me before I was rudely interrupted w/ a work meeting (seriously I’m just kidding about that as I wouldn’t even be able to afford to keep the internet w/o my job)
Anyways, no, I don’t feel Hanson by himself will net ANYTHING of worth….and to think we can just throw Hanson in and get Alex Gordon is preposterous….
I mean jeez guys….yeah lets send Uggla out and move Prado to 2b and bring in Hamilton and while we are at it, we can make Paul Janish into a 20 hr guy and implode Turner Field and have a brand new park we don’t lose elimination games in all prior to next April….
Now….can you see how ridiculous that all sounds?
Yeah, about as ridiculous as some of the “fantasy draft” type speculation on here…..
I mean cmon guys, most of these trades you’re proposing won’t work on a video game, let alone w/ an actual human GM….
Gotta save a few trade pieces for the 2013 trade deadline… I’m sure there will be some unanticipated needs by then.
I just hope Hanson is moved by then… I’d hate for his value to drop even lower after a miserable spring and 1st half.
October 9th, 201211:56 am
Oh, and for all the people riding on McCann…
Cmon, how many of you have actually played that think you could still swing a bat w/ the greatest of ease and not lose your power w/ as bad as his shoulder was?
Yea some of the trade ideas are pretty silly. Like wanting Constanza to be a regular player is silly. BMac is still the best option at catcher until it is proven his injuries and vision problems have permanently impaired his offensive abilities. With no offense BMac is less than steller.
I’m not what to expect ERA wise from Minor, mid-3.00’s I suppose. But one thing I think he’s finally gotten over the hump on is using so many pitches to get through 5 innings.
I don’t think anybody ever saw him being an Ace. But I’d like to see him turn into a 3-4 guy (maybe a 2) that eats innings and always gives you a chance to win. Kind of like a Denny Neagle in his prime maybe?
Bottom line is this. Even if only by 1/3 of an inning over Huddy…. Minor led the team in innings.
That’s a good sign for him being a productive pitcher moving forward.
October 9th, 201211:57 am
And in my opinion Hanson is done. Just like JJ.
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