Wren discusses Braves’ future, offseason to-do list

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TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
9:38 pm

Can’t truly say that Willingham is on the decline, but I do expect him to do so, beginning next year. Hit .235 from August1. Uggla hit .243.

Hoping we can fill our OF needs with cheap good players though. Maybe then, Frank will make a run for Greinke/Haren/McCarthy. Those guys would be a big upgrade to our staff.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
9:39 pm

Give you guys one name ….Mark Trumbo.. who would you trade to get him?

DS1

October 8th, 2012
9:39 pm

Brava

Here’s the rub with Hanson. If you package him this winter, you’re only getting minimal return for him. But it’s entirely possible that minimal return might be the most that you could EVER get for him.

But it’s also entirely possible that he could improve. I know a lot of folks on here are down on Hanson, but take a look at Maholm’s early career. He really stunk it up for years. Then got better.

So I would not be opposed to keeping him in hopes that he improved enough to get more for him, or to keep him long term.

I just don’t like selling low.

Heath

October 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

If not Willingham… I could live with signing Ross.

Blackman, Colvin, Gonzalez, and Fowler at the big league level, and Rafael Ortega, David Dahl other OF prospects coming up… Still think they could part with Fowler. Just about ANY of their OF prospects that are doing well in Colorado Springs will see SP pitch count limit too! (Yes, that last line was tongue and cheek.)

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

As for Victorino, since I read about his involvement in the binoculars cheating scandal with the Phillies, I’ve had no use for the guy. I don’t like cheaters of any stripe. Just a pet peeve.

ATLcracker

October 8th, 2012
9:40 pm

DOB Did you see DHD comment at 5:16 pm ? That is brilliant! Such a simple fix to a difficult rule for the umpires to interpret. Call infield fly – if you catch it you get an out – or drop it you still only get a chance at one force out. Perfect. Please see this recommendation gets to the proper ears.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
9:42 pm

Trumbo really dropped off in the 2nd half. Major drop off. Not sure if he is good enough to patrol LF full time. He might need to do some DH’ing.

And he K’s a LOT. I’d sure love to get a few more players that are more selective at the plate.

Well folks, I have enjoyed the conversations. The winter is sure going to be fun to follow.

FW will probably pull a few rabbits out of the hat the surprises us. Should be fun!

Later on………

Bo Graves!!

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:45 pm

I see your point, Wayne. Still, I hope he’s traded. He’s not a good pitcher and I just don’t see him becoming one with that ridiculous delivery. Frankly, I see more injury in his future and think we should trade him before that happens.

Heath

October 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

The blog jumbled up my last post…

…last part was supposed to say: “Just about ANY of their OF prospects that are doing well in Colorado Springs will see similar success in Denver. Plus, Hand fits in well with theri SP pitch count limit too! (Yes, that last line was tongue and cheek.)”

Not sure what happened…

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

Talk at you later DS1 be safe

TarHeel We. have a playoff team but no manage

October 8th, 2012
9:46 pm

Will the Braves knw the full extent of McCann’s injuries before acting on his 12 million $ option? Is it smart to spend 12 million on an often injured catcher who is not aging gracefully?

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
9:48 pm

A staggering number of moronic Monday Morning GMs. All Frank Wren has done is a build a team that has the foundation to be good/great for years. Not sure if some of you noticed, and based on your comments, you haven’t, but the Braves were in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years and only a miracle kept them out last year. Do you know who built that team from the ashes of Schuerholz’s trading away EVERYTHING to the Rangers. You know the team that went to the World Series 2 years in a row with our players?

I have all the faith in the world that Wren will find a CF if Bourn chooses to sign elsewhere. He will find a LF to replace Chipper. What else is there? A replacement for Hanson? Sure, if you’re ready to throw him away for nothing, like Jurrjens. Even if you are, this is our rotation:

Medlen
Hudson
Minor
Maholm
Delgado/Beachy (2nd half)

We’re stuck with Uggla, so deal with it. Hopefully he gets his head out of his arse. Then there’s the idiot that is ready to jettison Mac after an injury riddled season. He should have another drink and drive home. Mac is going to be here until Bethancourt is ready to take over, so get used to it. There are no other holes unless you’re blind.

Oh, and the fix for the infield fly is if the ball isn’t caught all runners and the batter are awarded 1 base and can advance beyond that at their own peril. This way the offense is never punished when the defense doesn’t catch the ball AND they can’t drop it intentionally to get multiple outs. That’s the way it should be since the rule is in place to protect the offense, not the defense. Not to mention the runners don’t have to worry about tagging up/going halfway.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:48 pm

Talk to you later, Wayne. Have a good one.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
9:48 pm

I agree with you Brava, I keep expecting that shoulder to explode any time he pitches! deal him now! before he becomes Len Barker the II

Efrim

October 8th, 2012
9:49 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
@votanoel2016 Medlen, Maholm, Hudson, Minor and then Teheran, Delgado or Hanson. Beachy returns by July

Lot of it is going to depend on what we trade to fill the voids in LF and CF. Could see Delgado going in a trade.

Heath

October 8th, 2012
9:49 pm

Any time I type in Tommy’s last name…messes up. Hmmm

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:50 pm

A staggering number of moronic Monday Morning GMs.

And you are?

People here are just having a good time voicing their opinions. I doubt anyone here truly thinks they are going to influence what Frank Wren does over the off-season. No need to drop a turd on the blog, Rowsdower.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:53 pm

Or Jair Jurrjens, JoeBrave.

Heath

October 8th, 2012
9:55 pm

Brava -

I don’t think Tommy’s value is all THAT low right now…especially for teams that need pitching depth. (You didn’t say it was, that was just my lead in…) As such, I’d move him too. The Braves have better options and I agree his is an injury risk. Heck, he may already be experiencing reduced velocity because of his mechanics and the wear on this shoulder. Agree with you, trade him. Colorado? You need pitching right?…

Dick Dodge

October 8th, 2012
9:56 pm

Tommy Hanson will soon become too expensive to be “patient” with. He’s already eligible for arbitration this off season. Package him with Dan Uggla to a team that is willing to absorb Uggla’s contract who is in need of starting pitching (like the Dodgers and Red Sox)..and use their salaries for players who are a better, more productive fit for the Braves.

Pick up Hudson’s and Maholm’s 2013 team options (very economical)….decline McCann’s $12 mil team option (or pick it up if a trade can be worked out to an American League team who can DH McCann), let Bourn walk if he isnt willing to sign for $10-$11 mil a year (in that case, go after Josh Hamilton…who will put up beast-like numbers in our line-up), go after Cody Ross to be a right handed power bat to play left field (which would enable Prado to move to either 2nd or 3rd…depending on what the Braves do with Uggla) and non-tender Jurrjens.

vegas

October 8th, 2012
9:56 pm

i will give you a guy that i would love to have on this team, norichika aoki…only had a 1 million dollar deal with the brewers this year….could be a nice pick up, can hit for average and steal some bases.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
9:57 pm

LOL @ Brava. Jurrjens sheesh! what a waste, I truly believe that guy has head problems, a change of scenery is exactly what he needs, or some time with Dave Duncan

Brava

October 8th, 2012
9:59 pm

Heath, exactly. I think he still has enough value to get us something decent. Heck, he did win 13 games this season. I really think now is the time to trade him because I don’t see him improving and am really concerned that he’ll get injured and be of no value if we hang on to him.

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:00 pm

Brava – Just tired of everyone ripping Wren for building a great team. It gets old.

And the suggestion for the infield fly rule is flawless.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:01 pm

2013 is Tommy Hanson’s last year of affordability unless he really steps it up. I’d trade him now, just to give us a chance at getting something for him. Plus, I doubt there is any room for him. After the JJ debacle (and I was for trading him for anything we could last year), I’d rather not wait until it’s too late with Tommy.

Dick Dodge

October 8th, 2012
10:01 pm

Rowsdower, McCann has had two injury riddle seasons in a row. A pattern is developing here, and the bottom line is that the potential risk is too much for the kind of money that McCann is going to command after the 2013 season. If McCann becomes a free agent after 2013…some American League team will either outbid the Braves for McCann…or force the Braves to overpay McCann big time!

McCann has more value to an American League team..because of the DH that is available if the demands of the catching position becomes too great as he ages.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:02 pm

Rowsdower, most of us appreciate what Wren has done with the budget he’s had. Granted, there are a few who don’t, but they are definitely the minority.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:02 pm

13 wins, 12 before July 31. He struggled in the 2nd half yet again… declined every year, and mechanics haven’t gotten better.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:03 pm

for sure goners.
Jones
Lowe
Hinske
Wilson
Hernandez
Contreras
Diaz
Bourn most likely.
Jurrjens
Hanson(hopefully)
and more than likely EOF!
leaving a line up at Present
CF?
3B Prado
RF Heyward
LF?
1B Freeman
C?
2B Uggla
SS Simmons..
One cannot pencil in nor can he be counted on until his shoulder is properly diagnosed, if surgery is needed I believe Wren declines the option.

Sambo 4 Rambo

October 8th, 2012
10:03 pm

Is Josh Hamilton available?? I heard talks the other day…

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:03 pm

That about sums up how I feel, too, TOBF.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

Wren does a fantastic Job for the limitations placed upon him, the only flaw he has is he dearly loves to bargain shop, and he has a fierce loyalty to old friends those are the only flaws he has.

ChattTownBrian

October 8th, 2012
10:06 pm

I really do like Bourn a lot, but …

Maybe try and nab Jackson from DET and sign Victorino.

richbrave

October 8th, 2012
10:08 pm

Bench?

I’d lose DIAZ, HINSKI, OVERBAY, BAKER, JANISH

In fact, all but JANISH are certified gone.

Keep ROSS, JOHNSON

and based on ST results, FRANCISCO, PASTORNICKY or JANISH and one of CONSTANZA, GATTIS, MEJIA.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:08 pm

Josh Hamilton may possibly become a Brave. Anything’s possible. I doubt it will happen though.

I doubt EOF is gone. We have money.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:09 pm

When is Chris Berman going to RETIRE???????????????????

caleb

October 8th, 2012
10:09 pm

I agree with king of carrot flowers! Too much chipper worshiping this year. Distracting.

Ebenezer Snerdberg

October 8th, 2012
10:10 pm

I USE ALL CAPS BECAUSE I’M LEGALLY BLIND. IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME. I HOPE IT DOESN’T INCONVENIENCE YOU TOO MUCH!

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:11 pm

TOBF I doubt the Braves are paying 4 mill fir a lefty specialist, don’t recall the last time they did, correct me if I am wrong but I think the last one was Mike Stanton, or Kent Mercker.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:11 pm

Yeah, I don’t see them letting EOF go. Guy is just too good in that bullpen.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:13 pm

Not at all, Ebenezer. Sorry about your condition.

ChattTownBrian

October 8th, 2012
10:14 pm

Wren has done as good as he can from just things I read and see. Marlins, Mets and other organizations on and on throughout the game either with high payrolls or whatever fail time after time to even reach what the Braves have done the last three years.

Like the Cardinals are lucky more than anything, but baseball is a lot about luck and somebody is gonna have it. Look at the Nats, they’ve done this ONE year in decades of being doormats in the league.

One really consistant dominant team in baseball are the Yankees. Hasn’t it always been that way?

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:14 pm

Last year was the 1st time he didn’t hit .270 or higher and it was due to injuries, so I don’t consider any season before that bad. If you were the GM and traded away Mac, a local boy/6 time all star, the fans would burn you down.

I’m all for trading Hanson since there’s no room for him in the rotation and he isn’t getting any younger or cheaper. Not sure what we could get for him, but it would free up more payroll.

As for Hamilton, forget it. A 30 year old former heroin addict that gives away ABs and sits out with allergies while his team is collapsing…no thanks. Not to mention he wants $30M a year…

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:14 pm

EOF>Daniel Rodriguez

Mixxo

October 8th, 2012
10:15 pm

When is Chris Berman going to RETIRE???????????????????

Not soon enough!!!!!!!!!

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:16 pm

rich, I agree. For me, Ross and Johnson (and I would keep Janish for his outstanding defense at SS) are the only definite keepers on the bench.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

Rowsdower, one very legitimate question, are you a team fan, or a player fan? if letting Mac go delivered a better shot at a title, much like when Murph was dealt would you be happy?
12 million dollars is way too much to squander on a guy that may or may not be there come time for the season to start.

sapelodawg

October 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

Move the team to Boston and get the Red Sox for Atlanta ………..both team have adequate to good personnel, and both suck in the front office …… Get Biff Pocoroba to solve the catcher situation …reduce ticket prices and sign 3rd party to run concession stands …. does beer really cost that much in Atlanta? no wonder he town is going to hell in a hand basket. Hire Bobby Cox !!

NORRIS CHUCK

October 8th, 2012
10:18 pm

JOSH HAMILTON WILL BE A BRAVE FOLKS!

Jerry

October 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

It does’nt matter if they sit for 1 game or sit for six, the Braves always loses their edge. They just don’t have a winning attitude. They play like they are just happy to be there

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:19 pm

Since when is O’Flaherty a left handed specialist? He was our 8th inning guy most of the year. He was incredible again this year after a slow start. Didn’t see any evidence to support your “lefty specialist” claim.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:20 pm

Ross, Johnson, Pastornicky are keepers imo

I’d lose Francisco (too long a swing for a PH). Mejia would get a chance to compete for backup 1B job, esp. since he’s RH.

Looking for a backup 1B and 3B this winter

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:22 pm

I don’t really get keeping Janish on the 25man for his defense. It’s not like we have Pastornicky roaming at SS. It Simmons goes down, Prado plays there for a day until Janish arrives. No need for him to be a late inning replacement, and his bat is pretty bad.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:27 pm

TOBF, I disagree. Prado is a versatile player, yes, but he’s a starting position player. He should not be the backup in case Simmons goes down. We need a backup SS on the bench, both to spell Simmons and in case of injury… and sorry, Rev just doesn’t cut it. I imagine he’ll be competing for a bench spot in ST like many others.

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:27 pm

@JoeBrave – I’ve been a Braves fan my whole life. I just don’t understand why you’re ready to throw away Mac after one bad/injury riddled season.

Who do you propose take his place? Ross? He’s 36 and wouldn’t survive. You think there’s another catcher of his ilk available for less?

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:28 pm

Back from my chores. Waiting for dinner to warm up.

TOBF

I am leaning towards not keeping a strictly defensive backup SS on the roster. I’d count on Prado (and Pastornicky if he makes the club) as your backups for Simba.

And I realize that you keep Mejia. I can understand the fascination with him, but don’t you think if he were all “that” then the Braves would have brought him up a LONG time ago. Must be something there that we aren’t seeing.

A team is not going to keep a guy down in AAA if there is any thought that he could help. Now, if he gets a spring invite, maybe he’ll get a chance to shine. But as an armchair GM in October, he’s not somebody I’m moving from the A tab (all Braves player I know about) to the B tab (possible players that can help in 2013) on my braves.xls spreadsheet.

:wink:

And yes, I do have one……….

gotigers72

October 8th, 2012
10:29 pm

You asked all the right questions DOB. Too bad Wren chose to not give the right answers.

Uggla has had 2 really bad years. Don’t see how FW can think that all of a sudden Uggs is going to become more consistent. Not gonna happen. As far as Hanson, you know he’s gone as soon as free agency hits for him. He loves SoCal, and with 3 teams there and 2 more in NoCal, well he’ll probably be playing in California, especially considering that Boras is his agent. So why not try to deal him now instead of waiting until his value goes down?

IMO FW and FG should be gone, should have been gone, but that’s just my opinion. It’s almost like they are albatrosses around the Braves neck the way things happened in the past two years.

sapelodawg

October 8th, 2012
10:30 pm

you must be the only braves fan …………. you see things no one else seems to see ……… Pope Pius XXIII is a better shortstop that Pastor Nicki !!

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:30 pm

Precisely Rows… 1 inning lefty specialist, he aint Venters nor is he Kimbrel, what he will be is a 4 million dollar 1 inning pitcher… been observing this team a long time, never have they paid that. would surprise me if they do.

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:31 pm

I am seeing a ton of comments about how Uggla and McCann suck, but we are stuck with them.

Actually, we’re not. We don’t have to re-sign McCann for 12M. We could trade Uggla and pay just 11M or so of his 13M. Look–I just saved us 14M in payroll. How are our options like Ross, Bethancourt, Prado, etc. not upgrades over what we got at 2B and C last year?

I don’t get it. Do those two guys have photos of Frank Wren that we don’t no about?

Put Prado at second. Plug someone in at C. You are now miles ahead of last year at 2 positions, and you just netted 14M to spend on a left fielder.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:32 pm

Rowser

Hey, Joe will throw a guy away if he has 5 bad AB’s in a row!!!

(just kidding)

I’ve been a fan since the Braves arrived in 1966. I take a bit more of a patient approach to things with the team. Like not giving up on Hanson yet. Seen too many pitchers blossom after a few years, and TH has an INCREDIBLE curveball. He might have some of the best stuff on our rotation. Same with Mac. When you have a catcher who can hit, you go a LONG way towards hanging onto him until you are certain he is not capable any more.

But just my way……..

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:33 pm

Not even for 1 game? They can always call Janish back up for the next day. Our bench was bad this year, I’m not wanting to add a .200 hitter to hit.

Bench has 5 guys, w/ Fredi’s reluctance to use Ross, it’s really 4. Janish can’t hit, so it’s 3 guys left. If that happens, those 3 guys better be .260 hitters, one with power.

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:34 pm

Janish isn’t going anywhere. His D is too valuable. Neither is Fransisco. You don’t just throw away a player with 80 power. If Wren isn’t able to find a viable LF/3B option, Prado stays in left and Fransisco is our 3B.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:34 pm

old man

If it was super easy to just “plug someone in at C” like you state, Mac would be gone now!! Do you have any clue how hard it is to get a good hitting, decent defensive catcher?

But heck yes, let’s just “plug” someone in……………….

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:34 pm

Here’s one: “We’re stuck with Uggla, so deal with it.”

Please educate me. Why are we stuck with him?

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:35 pm

Rows I am not ready to throw mac away, what I am merely doing is looking at the ledger sheet side of things.
Uggla is ineffective at 13 mil
Mac is injured at 12 mil… that is 2 mill of yoour 90 mill payroll for 2 ineffective players at the moment..
Now say Mac isn’t hurt all that bad then he is worth the money… but unless Uggla can be moved Mac is most likely non-tendered if that shoulder is in need of surgery.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:35 pm

Trade Uggla and pay JUST 11 mil of his 13 million owed. Wow, I love your genius.

Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)

October 8th, 2012
10:38 pm

Great interview, lots of info…..that said.

I can’t get over Friday night’s debacle. Concerning both the lack luster defensive effort and Holbrook’s mind blowing brain fart that may have changed the outcome of the game.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:39 pm

TOBF, I’m not saying Janish has to be the backup SS, but we need someone on the bench who can do it. Heck, I’m not enamored of his hitting prowess by any means, but the guy is a wizard in the field.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:39 pm

You think there’s another catcher of his ilk available for less?

There is Napoli, but he struggled this year. Doubt he’d be much cheaper than Mac (Napoli made 9.5mil this year) and he’s 31 vs Mac being 28.

Janish isn’t going anywhere. His D is too valuable. Neither is Fransisco. You don’t just throw away a player with 80 power. If Wren isn’t able to find a viable LF/3B option, Prado stays in left and Fransisco is our 3B.

Janish would still be in the org. if it were me. Just not on the 25-man. We don’t pinch-defend, we pinch-hit! I’d trade Juan in a package if possible. Prado should/will be starting at 3B next year. Juan isn’t a good PH.

Also, we have 20-28mil to spend this offseason. Frank says he’s not getting a pitcher. If we go through this offseason, and Prado is still in LF w/ Juan at 3rd, that means we didn’t get a LF masher and didn’t really spend any money.

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:40 pm

Uggla is so crappy you would have to pay 11M of the 13M. Or more. But we could have played Pastornicky all year at 2B been ahead of the game. When a player is this profoundly crappy you are indeed better off by just finding a team to take a 2M gamble on Uggla rebounding. If you get that offer you say, “accepted,” and thank your lucky stars.

If you got that done, you would indeed be a “genius.”

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:40 pm

Old man it aint that easy, I just looked at the money side of that scenario, now lets look at the player, yes he is hurt, maybe badly, maybe not, but his presence is felt in the clubhouse, and in the line-up, you just don’t plug that in, Bethancourt isn’t ready, Boscan is a Joke, and Ross cannot catch everyday, so what do you do here? too many times the team has flinched in a pinch, but if that cyst turns into a rotator cuff issue then what?
best to hope for some AL team to take Uggla and run with that nose and them stupid popeye forearms.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:41 pm

Janish is the kind of player that you convince to be happy for the time being at AAA. Heck, pay him major league minimum.

Work on his hitting with him. If he gets good enough, somebody will offer you a nice piece for him. If he doesn’t then he remains your SS insurance policy.

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:42 pm

Does anyone think a team would take Uggla, trade to us a bottom tier prospect, and agree to pay 2M of Uggla’s salary for each of the remaining years on his deal?

Any takers for that deal?

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:43 pm

I here and see the names being bantered but let’s not forget about Boston,those guys have a damn buttload of money to spend after cleaning the Dodgers clocks!

ohhhhYEAH

October 8th, 2012
10:43 pm

I think we need to trade Hanson to the D-backs for Parra. Plays one heck of a left field, decent obp, cannon strapped to his left shoulder, and has a little pop.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:44 pm

But we could have played Pastornicky all year at 2B been ahead of the game.

I am probably the biggest Pastornicky fan on this blog, heck, probably among all Braves fans, and I’m saying that your statement above is utter foolishness. Uggla was pretty good offensively among 2B, except for his batting average.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:44 pm

old man

Is Uggla worth 13 million at his present salary? Heck no. Is he useless, heck no.

He’s probably one of the 4-5 best second basemen in the league. He gets on base at a decent rate and hits a few homers. He has the potential to return to his mean (30 HR’s and 90 RBI’s).

And you want to replace him with a kid who has played very little second base, who may someday turn into a decent utility player, but today is a long shot to make the team in 2013??

Really?

ohhhhYEAH

October 8th, 2012
10:45 pm

For everyone screaming we are going to eat 11 MILLION in salary, you’re an idiot. We arent going to eat that much for anyone. Uggla will be back next year, unless we end up only having to eat about 6 or 7 mil of his yearly salary. But again, we arent going to pay 18M over the next three seasons. Wren will be avoiding another Derek Lowe situation at all costs.

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
10:45 pm

@old man – Uh, because noone is going to take his albatross of a contract when he’s had 2 terrible years in a row. There, you’re educated.

@JoeBrave – I complete agree with Uggla, but I disagree about Mac. When he’s healthy he is one of the best hitting catchers in baseball. He hit 20 HRs with one arm. He’s gonna have surgery this offseason and if he doesn’t rebound next year, he is a free agent. Worry about it then.

Dominant 8th inning bridges cost money, Joe. Flats isn’t going anywhere.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:46 pm

Wow, old man, Uggla isn’t THAT bad. He was starting to come around after Fredi benched him. Maybe that’s what Fredi will have to do to him when he goes into his slumps next season because I’m 100% certain he will be the Braves starting 2B.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:48 pm

DS1 , TOBF, the only Brave I would throw under a bus and run over twice is Pastornicky. Heck no he doesn’t deserve to start over Uggly.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:48 pm

I can’t understand why anyone would think that paying Pastornicky 11.5 million to play second base benefits this team in ANY way. Because that’s EXACTLY what you would be doing if you gave away Uggla and sent 11 million per year with him.

We dropped Lowe last year (for only 1 year, I might add) because we had a gridlock at starting pitching. Otherwise he would have been toiling in ATL for 2012.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 8th, 2012
10:50 pm

now that’s just cruel to the kid…

Brava

October 8th, 2012
10:50 pm

Oy, I shudder at the thought of Pastornicky at 2B. Give me Uggla any day.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:52 pm

Rowser, what if his Rotator cuff is shredded?
anything can happen, I hope for Mac it is a cyst, and some dipsquat GM will buy what Frank is selling and beg for Uggs. Did not want him before he got here, said trading for him was a mistake, and still believe he will eventually stink it up so bad he will sink Wren in the process!

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:54 pm

TOBF, I beeged this blog not to make me hate that kid, but alas giving an unproven weak armed guy a nickname before he earned it just made me sick to my stomach, I hope Wren trades him and Constanza to Siberia…. those two make me ill very ill.

Playoffs!!!

October 8th, 2012
10:55 pm

Wren on JJ and Hanson —– with translation

JJ: ” there will be a determination this winter”——–HE”S HISTORY

Hanson: He won 13 games for us, but his outing got shortened” WE”LL HYPE HIM A LITTLE SO WE CAN SEE ABOUT TRADING HIM.

One new thing about the Braves’ postseason exit this year—-No one is blaming Bobby

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:57 pm

Actually, Prado should play 2B. I was just using Pastornicky to illustrate.

I suppose if Uggla was in a bad car wreck and lost a leg, you guys would insist on playing him at second base, just because we have so much invested in him.

The sad thing is that I might not be able to tell the difference.

DS1

October 8th, 2012
10:58 pm

I have a hard time “throwing” anybody under the bus (except for a few bloggers, from time to time). These guys are human beings. They are fathers, brothers, and sons of someone. They found in their early teen years that they were pretty darned good at baseball, and were hard working enough or just plain talented enough to get to the major leagues.

They don’t need to be denegrated or tossed under any bus. They DO need to be evaluated as to which ones will help the team win a lot of games. Pastornicky, Uggla and Mac are probably all great guys, all young enough to be my sons. I’d be proud to call any of them a son. I’m sure their mama’s love them!

So let’s keep a perspective here. Is Uggla worth 13 million per? Nah. Is he a bum? (it’s possible he has some bad habits, but he is a member of the human race like most of us) Will he work his tail off to try to give us value for the Braves money?

If you watch him play, you’ll realize nobody on that team hustles more. You gotta love a guy like that, and pull for him to get it back together.

NOW, if somebody came along and offered us a prospect we like for him, I might be tempted to send him and 2-3 million per year to that team so Dan got a fresh start. But I’d be very selective to any offers for him from other clubs.

I do think FW will entertain offers for Uggla. But I don’t think any of them will be good enough for us to pay salary and send him packing.

But just remember these guys are young men playing a kids game. And somebody’s son.

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:58 pm

And, actually, Prado is worth pretty close to 11.5M.

JoeBrave

October 8th, 2012
10:59 pm

Old Man, I am actually hoping Colorado is so enamored with 30 taters they flinch hard and bite on Uggla, Hanson, Teheran(will never be what he is hyped to be), and Pastornicky for CarGO

old man

October 8th, 2012
10:59 pm

DS1, you’re right, I need to dial it down.

LAC

October 8th, 2012
11:01 pm

Best thing CHICKEN wren needs to do is RESIGN… He has Killed this franchise, look at ALL the players he has traded away, and the World Series they have played in… Remember Adam Wainwright closing out the 2006 series as a Champion !!!!!

As long as this wren Thing is in charge, the Braves will be a BUST, and only get worse…
I’d rather have Omar Infaunte than dan uggla, and look… He is still playing !!!!

Why is Adam Laroche gone ? We would like to have his 30+ HR’s and over 100 RBI… And the list can go on and on and on… wren has traded away enough players, we would have been a WINNER, as long as he is here… We will NEVER BE !

old man

October 8th, 2012
11:01 pm

If I had reason to hope Uggla might turn around, I would love it. I’m sure he had a miserable time this season. He held up well under the strain. But I would eat a ton of salary to move him.

gy6

October 8th, 2012
11:03 pm

the first thing should be firefredigonzalez.com

DS1

October 8th, 2012
11:03 pm

old man

Wasn’t just going after you. Sometimes I just think we need to remember these are young men playing a kid’s game.

But it is big business, so decisions have to be made to make sure the owners money is being utilized for maximum gain.

But this winter is going to be interesting four shore.

Brava

October 8th, 2012
11:03 pm

Prado is….. priceless.

old man

October 8th, 2012
11:04 pm

I embraced the Uggla deal. What I wouldn’t give now to undo it, and have Infante at 2B and Prado at 3B or LF.

Rowsdower

October 8th, 2012
11:04 pm

If his rotator cuff is shredded he did a helluva (Fruiti speak) this year. I don’t think its that bad, but even it is, he’s not a pitcher. He was never good at throwing running out runners anyway, so it’s not a total loss. He would still be a great offensive catcher.

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