Wren discusses Braves’ future, offseason to-do list

(more...)

1,736 comments Add your comment

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
4:48 pm

Murph-

Bringing up The Rock….

Did I miss something there? I don’t even like The Rock….unless you’re counting Fast Five…he was ok in that…..and Gridiron Gang…that was a good story

cricket

October 10th, 2012
4:48 pm

Wren is building a young team not an older one especially if he’s going to trade away young arms.

to he** with young team. dig out and sign the Babe if that means postseason success.

N8

October 10th, 2012
4:50 pm

I’m not playing devil’s advocate and I don’t TRUST that the surgery will solve it.

What part of my 300 posts today do you two not understand. I don’t think Brian McCann will EVER be what he once was. Which was a great hitting catcher and a mediocre defensive catcher.

He will continue to be a mediocre defensive catcher and I don’t think his shoulder will ever be the same.

THAT is my opinion and guess.

I don’t think that a catcher is a position that a team wants to build it’s offense around. Been saying that for years.

We’ll just agree to disagree and next year if Mac is the old Mac, I’ll apologize and say I was wrong and that I was a fool to ever doubt him. Or…..

When he bombs out and can’t swing a bat and either misses a ton of time or stinks while trying to play through it…… you guys won’t. :-)

ncscoots

October 10th, 2012
4:50 pm

to he** with young team. dig out and sign the Babe if that means postseason success.

…and frozen heads. I think they have a deep, deep need for a frozen head on the team.

Tumbledown

October 10th, 2012
4:51 pm

Shaun – Stack the best hitters at the top and make sure they are bunched together. Higher on-base, lower power guys hit the highest. Higher slugging guys next. Weak hitters at the bottom . . . . The most important thing a manager can do is make sure he arranges his lineup so that he can keep a rally going and decrease the chances that there are three easy outs in a row.

I am far from a genius, but doesn’t your theory make it more likely that you will have three outs in a row at the bottom of the lineup?

nolie

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

the Babe wore a cabbage leaf under his hat and swapped it out every other inning. Helped him stay cool.

ncscoots

October 10th, 2012
4:52 pm

next year if Mac is the old Mac, I’ll apologize and say I was wrong and that I was a fool to ever doubt him.

Oh, horsebleep. You’ve said similar things a hundred times and you never follow through, LOL. Who do you think you’re talking to here, n8, newbies? We know better. :-)

keyLargo

October 10th, 2012
4:55 pm

Lot of wah, wah, wah and idiotic scenarios being discussed. Glad most of the posters here aren’t the Braves’ GM.

Holy Crap, I’m glad none of them are on the grounds crew.

nolie

October 10th, 2012
4:55 pm

Which was a great hitting catcher and a mediocre defensive catcher…N8

except of course that Baseball America’s best tools editions ranked him in the top 4 NL catchers every season. but of course what the heck do they and the myriad of baseball folks they interviewed know compared to our resident blog experts????

ncscoots

October 10th, 2012
4:56 pm

Holy Crap, I’m glad none of them are on the grounds crew.

Line of the day. I can go feed my animals now, zenith has been achieved. :-)

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
4:58 pm

We’ll just agree to disagree and next year if Mac is the old Mac, I’ll apologize and say I was wrong and that I was a fool to ever doubt him. Or…..

This made me laugh. N8, you’ve had some doozies over the years in your novels of posts. Specifically some nasty, nasty things about Heyward last August, if I recall correctly. Brava like.

Murph

October 10th, 2012
4:58 pm

except of course that Baseball America’s best tools editions ranked him in the top 4 NL catchers every season.

Offense carries a lot of weight.

DAP

October 10th, 2012
5:01 pm

scoots there are several guys with better numbers than that that will be free agents. they would make less $$$ and we wouldnt have to trade anyone

DAP, I don’t think you really mean this. There is no FA OF who has a career OPS better than .845 and is going to play 2013 for less than $7MM.

oops! didnt mean to post the “overall OPS” part. i was referring to the #’s vs. lefties. yes, there are players available who hit lefties better than willingham. oh, and for the most part, they are younger, less injury prone, more athletic and better defensively!

like really like willingham. im just sayin’…

nolie

October 10th, 2012
5:02 pm

no, this is not the same voters who vote GG, it is scouts and players and coaches from all the teams. different group and scouts in particular have no reason to think offense when asked about defensive prowess, they are trained to know the difference

CB

October 10th, 2012
5:02 pm

Efrim, you probably have a diary on bloggers who have ever disparaged Heyward. :-)

Shaun

October 10th, 2012
5:02 pm

Seems to me that it’s pretty obvious a pitcher with an a shoulder injury is less likely to bounce back to something close to his previous levels of performance than a catcher with a shoulder injury. It’s not impossible, I’m sure. McCann could have messed up something so bad that he will never be close to what he was. But just going by the nature of being a catcher versus being a pitcher, I would bet on McCann over Hanson.

N8

October 10th, 2012
5:05 pm

“Oh, horsebleep. You’ve said similar things a hundred times and you never follow through”

Really? Both Heyward and Chipper caused me to say I was wrong this season for doubting them last winter. I also admitted I was wrong that Uggla would rebound. He didn’t. I said Beachy would be a Cy Young candidate. We wasn’t.

I probably posted around 10 times this year how wrong I was about Chipper.

But that’s OK. I wasn’t counting.

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
5:05 pm

oops! didnt mean to post the “overall OPS” part. i was referring to the #’s vs. lefties. yes, there are players available who hit lefties better than willingham. oh, and for the most part, they are younger, less injury prone, more athletic and better defensively!

Oh boy. DAP on his “we don’t need no stinkin RHH’s”.

The goal is to maximize offensive run production – and the best route in doing so is finding a RH banger for LF that is an overall very good hitter….that can also(like a lot of really good RHH’s) cream LHP.

The Shin Soo Choo’s of the world would not do this, based on their poor numbers vs. LHP. And Prado, Simmons aren’t middle of the order thumpers…

I think the priority should be findind a really good hitter – who creams LHP and certainly holds his own weight vs. RHP.

TennesseePaul

October 10th, 2012
5:06 pm

I don’t TRUST that the surgery will solve it.

Well that’s too bad. Pretty sure Wren and co. do, and because of that, they will not be taking direction from you. So we can move on to the next subject.

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

Efrim, you probably have a diary on bloggers who have ever disparaged Heyward.

Go to August 2011 of the right side of this site and look at some of those comments. Good lord. It’s sickening. People downright wanting the young man to fail so that they can pound their chests and tell everyone how right they were.

TennesseePaul

October 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

But just going by the nature of being a catcher versus being a pitcher, I would bet on McCann over Hanson.

Exactly.

Shaun

October 10th, 2012
5:10 pm

I am far from a genius, but doesn’t your theory make it more likely that you will have three outs in a row at the bottom of the lineup?

Yes. But spreading your worst hitters out between your best hitters is even worse. All hitters are likely to make outs. The best hitters are going to make outs in 60 percent of their plate appearances. You throw in a hitter who is going to make in out in 70-80 percent, between the guys who make outs in around 60 percent, and it makes it less likely you string together baserunners before three outs are made. That’s the basic idea.

Better to string together baserunners, increase the chances for a rally than to worry about the bottom of your order not producing. The higher in the order and the more bunched together the best hitters, the more often the chances for a sustained rally.

Also, let’s say you have rather high on-base guys hitting high in the order. Well, there is at least some chance that by the time you get to the bottom of the order, there are going to be guys on base and you aren’t going to need a hitter to do something spectacular to score a run. In that scenario, a weak hitter can just ground out or hit a fly ball and score a run, thanks to the work of the good hitters in the lineup.

DAP

October 10th, 2012
5:13 pm

nolie Say What? who exactly are you referring to who hits 850 and costs less than 7mil? I truly want to see that list of several guys.

well, what i menat was against lefties. jonny gomes and cody ross have both hit lefties better than willingham in thier career, and will be free agents. they probably wont make much more per year than willingham is making.

other freeagents that hits lefties close to as well as willingham does include delmon young, andruw jones, torii hunter, scott hairston, juan rivera. and that doesnt include guys that will make more money than willingham, but are also free agents (so they wouldnt cost a trade) like victorino and swisher.

but again, thats just against lefties. i guess my point is, finding a hitter who kills lefties…not that hard. theres lots of them.

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:14 pm

Efrim-

But thats the point though….

Just because a guy is a RHH and can play LF and hits a lot of HR doesn’t make him a great hitter or fit on this team….

With that guy, I am just not seeing it….

keyLargo

October 10th, 2012
5:14 pm

I can tell you in one sentence about Bryan McCann’s throwing.

It is a lot like Chippers errant throw – high, to the right and uncatchable.

I bet he lucks out and misses on 20 (TWENTY) throws a year that are uncatchable by the man covering second. No error is given though unless the runner advances a base and usually the other infielder or CF is backing the play up.

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:16 pm

Efrim-

Thats when it gets really sad…

Frankly, I want EVERYONE to do well….but I am a realist…and when they aren’t doing well, I don’t want to push them in front of a car, I just may want to pack a bag for them….

Said the same thing about Francoeur when the writing was on the wall for him…knew it was time for him to go….wasn’t angry or bitter about it, just knew he wasn’t gonna get it done any longer in ATL.

Murph

October 10th, 2012
5:16 pm

Andruw’s going to be a free agent? Well, there you go. CF problem is solved.

DawgDad

October 10th, 2012
5:17 pm

“I don’t think that a catcher is a position that a team wants to build it’s offense around. Been saying that for years.”

Hallelujah! Somebody “gets” it. You take the offense you get from the catcher position as a bonus. Relying on it is a good way to get fired. I have no problem with Mac hitting .230 or whatever he wound up at; I had a problem with Fredi batting him third.

DAP

October 10th, 2012
5:17 pm

efrim Oh boy. DAP on his “we don’t need no stinkin RHH’s”.

and theres goes efrim, mischaracterizing everything i say on the topic! nobody said anything about choo, dude. why are you obsessed with him? ;-)

DAP

October 10th, 2012
5:21 pm

perhaps it would be easier and cheaper to set up a good platoon in LF, and reserve some $$$ and trade pieces to address CF and maybe SP?

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:21 pm

Murph-

Yeah, if only we could use the way back machine….

Or get him Melky’s “trainer” :lol:

nolie

October 10th, 2012
5:23 pm

Ok I getcha DAP. I am not interested in a guy who only hits lefties though, I am interested in a guy who hits both well. Yeah Willingham is not a good defensive player, but that is not unusual with LFers, he has played 140 games the last two seasons so that ain’t bad, and yeah he is getting older, but he is just got two years left. I would like to have him, but my guess is that they will want more than Wren will give

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:24 pm

DAP-

I’d rather reserve CF for Victorino or Pagan or Span and go all out after a RHH LF All-Star (OBVIOUSLY not named Willingham)

Like I said, the more I look at our lineup construction, it seems more and more obvious that we need a RH All-Star potential hitter to hit between Freeman and Heyward in the middle of order as much as we need a leadoff hitter….

MFin04

October 10th, 2012
5:25 pm

“Just because a guy is a RHH and can play LF and hits a lot of HR doesn’t make him a great hitter or fit on this team….”

No, but he is the best hitter that is “available” and is cheap. An .850 OPS hitter for $7 million is a bargain. Heck we barely had an .800 OPS hitter this year (Chipper and Heyward). Going into next year with only one .800+ OPS hitter is scary. I mean I’m cool with other people coming up with right handed LFers who can hit .850 that cost around $7 million a year. If someone can give me a list of those guys, I’ll gladly consider all the options.

Murph

October 10th, 2012
5:26 pm

Or get him Melky’s “trainer”

I was just thinking the exact same thing. Sign Andruw for $1mil, get him nice and juiced up, and then ride that pony until it breaks down or gets pulled from the race.

At this point, given the way the season ended, I’m not above a little cheating to win.

Shaun

October 10th, 2012
5:27 pm

“I don’t think that a catcher is a position that a team wants to build it’s offense around. Been saying that for years.”

Hallelujah! Somebody “gets” it. You take the offense you get from the catcher position as a bonus. Relying on it is a good way to get fired. I have no problem with Mac hitting .230 or whatever he wound up at; I had a problem with Fredi batting him third.

This presupposes the Braves are intentionally building their offense around the catcher position. I think the Braves, like all teams, are just trying to get as much total value as they can from each position while remaining within their budget and without hampering the long-term health of the franchise.

I don’t think teams take it easy in their search for one position because they have a star talent at another. Now, having a star talent at one position might affect what you can afford and what you want to do at another. But I don’t think teams want any one or two guys to carry the load. They are trying to get as much as they can out of each and every position and spot on the roster.

MFin04

October 10th, 2012
5:27 pm

“We need a RH All-Star potential hitter to hit between Freeman and Heyward in the middle of order”

Sad part is, we actually HAVE that guy and he WAS an All-Star this year. He just didn’t hit much after the first month of the season.

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:29 pm

Nolie-

May want to consult the guide where the DH doesn’t translate over to the NL….

He played 96g in 2011 and 119g in 2012 in the field….

And going from a possible Gold Glove winner and scary good OF D, I’d like the player replacing Prado to be a bit more rounded than just a 1 tool pony

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:32 pm

Fin-

I am not concerned about the cost right now….

I want someone BETTER….

The guy you mentioned who I have decided I am no longer mentioning by name does NOT make us good enough to overtake the Nats or challenge what seems to be the Cardinals….

nolie

October 10th, 2012
5:33 pm

yeah, but that does not mean he would not have played about the same number if the DH was not available, simply that the manager wanted him there. I heard nothing that indicated that he was having health problems, not that i couldn’t have missed something

MFin04

October 10th, 2012
5:38 pm

“guy you mentioned who I have decided I am no longer mentioning by name does NOT make us good enough to overtake the Nats or challenge what seems to be the Cardinals….”

Well heck, no ONE player makes us better than those teams. Gonna need 2 or 3 at minimum. The Cardinals can hit, that’s for sure. I’ve never seen a team score runs at will like this team does even in pressure filled games.

This team is going to need a lot to even match itself from last year.

You’re losing your best leadoff guy and your best cleanup hitter. You have to do at least equally well offensively and defensively at those two positions as well as upgrading at a 3rd position to be better than this past year. That is a tough task.

Gonna need A LOT of production out of CF and LF next year.

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:40 pm

Nolie-

You willing to bet your house on that?

The guy has chronic back issues…..pretty certain he hasn’t played that many games in the OF since his mid 20s

cricket

October 10th, 2012
5:40 pm

other freeagents that hits lefties close to as well as willingham does

willingham would be starting, not platooning. there are more righty pitchers in majors, just like more righty people in world (and rightfully so :) ). why would braves prefer someone who hits lefties about as well as willingham but doesn’t come close to hitting same against righties over willingham?

i can see reverse of TOBF — Hanson relationship developing here..

keyLargo

October 10th, 2012
5:42 pm

Has catcher become a Latin position? Too much work and sacrifice for an American HS kid?

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:45 pm

People will jump all over me here, but I think both positions will not be that much to fill…

Granted you’re filling a future HoFer’s spot, but also a guy who has been less than $’s worth for quite some time now albeit the best BB/K guy on the team…

The other spot, you’re filling for a guy who while he was exciting if he got on the bases, his SB/CS numbers weren’t all that much to write home about, and he K’d at an alarming rate for anyone let alone a leadoff guy w/ little pop in his bat…

They can go a few ways…they can go defense…they can go speed….they can go power…or they can go a combination of those….

The question really is, what fits well on this team given the current roster makeup of McCann, Freeman, Uggla, Simmons, Prado, and Heyward?

Maybe this is a case that Shaun actually COULD help w/ his vast array of math and stat logic….it’ll keep him busy ;-)

So Shaun….what TYPE of players would fit in at the two spots LF/3b and CF given what the Braves currently have?!

N8

October 10th, 2012
5:48 pm

Shaun if a team has a 90 million dollar budget and is about to shell out 12-13 million to a guy….. then they are CHOOSING, for lack of a better term….. “build around” that guy/position.

It’s not rocket science.

MFin04

October 10th, 2012
5:50 pm

“What fits well on this team given the current roster makeup of McCann, Freeman, Uggla, Simmons, Prado, and Heyward?”

Well that is a REALLY slow lineup. I mean gotta get one speed guy. Clearly they need a speedy guy who can play CF and bat leadoff. Bourn or someone like Bourn (Pagan, Victorino, Jay, etc).

That gives you the lineup of:

1 Speedy CF
2 Prado 3B
3 Heyward RF
4 Uggla 2B
5 Freeman 1B
6 RH Power LF
7 McCann/Ross C
8 Simmon SS

OR

1 Speedy CF
2 Prado 3B
3 Heyward RF
4 RH Power LF
5 Freeman 1B
6 Uggla 2B
7 McCann/Ross C
8 Simmon SS

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:53 pm

Cricket-

Maybe because the AA Cardinals hit lefties better than the MLB Atlanta Braves….

When you go under .500 for like 3 years straight against them, I think its time to do something about it….

Or do you forget about Hamels, Lee, Santana, Gonzalez, Lannan, Detweiler, Capuano, or all the other countless lefties we got bent over by….

Oh wait….I forgot Stultz….

NO MORE FREDI

October 10th, 2012
5:55 pm

Sure is a lot of smiling in these pictures after being booted from the playoffs AGAIN.

To do list…

1. Fire Fredi. The team was there but manager not.
2. Trade Mac and Hansen.
3. Get a bat to play LF or 3B.

This team was set for a run in the playoffs but I believe a manger should inspire the team come postseason. Can’t just put it in neutral like regular season. The look on Fredi’s face was over matched and out of place. He was nervous. Is that what you want when going to battle? A nervous uncertain leader?

Shaun

October 10th, 2012
5:56 pm

N8, well, if you don’t blow your wad on one player, you won’t have to make that kind of choice.

P-Town Brave, I would put Prado at third. That’s his best position. I view him as a thirdbaseman.

I would go get the best bat I could possibly get in leftfield (or best platoon). I would be shooting for a big-time offensive player(s) for left. I would go after the best all-around centerfielder, focusing in defense but hoping for some offense, as well.

I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping Prado in left, if a big-time thirdbaseman somehow falls in to the Braves’ lap, a David Wright or a Chase Headley or someone like that. I don’t know how likely that is, at all.

MFin04

October 10th, 2012
5:56 pm

Well your new CF and your LF need to hit lefties. That’s for sure. Wouldn’t mind a switch hitting CF that can hit lefties and righties equally well. I mean I like Bourn too. Gotta work on the strikeouts and hitting lefties, but for the right price I’d love to keep him. There is some correlation between us winning 94 games in him playing CF and batting leadoff for us. Would be nice if we could avoid his 2nd half slump somehow.

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
5:57 pm

Fin-

Here’s a thought….

What about changing the way of thinking and going after both of those guys?

Pagan & Victorino….put Pagan in LF….

Them added to Prado, Heyward, Uggla, Simmons…you could have a baserunning clinic….

Pagan
Victorino
Prado
Heyward
Uggla
Freeman
McCann
Simmons

I still don’t like that as much as a RH RBI guy for the 4 hole, but at least w/ those two guys I have a name over someone I don’t know about yet…

P-Town Brave ©

October 10th, 2012
6:00 pm

Shaun-

Alright…yeah, good points there actually….

I’m really liking Victorino as a major piece…..he hits lefties amazingly well, runs the bases about as good as anyone, and he’s not going to give away outs in the OF….

Fin-

As I said before, I’d rather have Victorino….think he will cost less and produce more…albeit I don’t think he’s your leadoff guy….I think he’s either a 2 or 6 type….Pagan on the other hand is a leadoff hitter

cowdogit

October 10th, 2012
6:08 pm

The braves wasted fifteen million so Chipper could have his farewell tour, They also wasted ten million so Derrick Lowe could pitch for another team. Liberty Media knows that Wren can’t waste this type of money and be competitive with the top teams.

cricket

October 10th, 2012
6:14 pm

awesome

Amir Khan has a new trainer and has just announced his return to the ring — the former welterweight world champion from England will meet unbeaten American Carlos Molina in Los Angeles on Dec 15. So as a tuneup, Khan pummeled a gang of would-be car thieves in Birmingham, UK on Monday.

According to The Telegraph, Khan and his brother, Haroon, who is also a boxer, were traveling in Amir Khan’s new Ranger Rover when a gang of thieves blocked their way in another vehicle and attempted to steal their vehicle. A scuffle ensued, and Amir punched one of the would-be thieves, knocking him out. The brothers then fought with others in the gang before escaping in their SUV.

Asked yesterday how his hands were, Khan smiled and showed his undamaged fists to a packed news conference in London. “They are fine,” said Khan, although he refused to comment further on the event. His father, Shah Khan, was not impressed by the incident. “I’ve told them it takes a bigger man to walk away. Let them have the car,” he said.

The London Sun talked to someone who said he was a witness:

“One slapped Amir and clipped him on the lip, but Amir pulled back and knocked him out cold,” a witness told the site. “Then five of them went for Amir and Haroon — but they stood their ground and these guys got dropped one by one.”

Bloodied thief later at home, looking at the ceiling with clenched fists: “Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan!”

Kahn, who has held held Commonwealth, WBO Inter-Continental, and WBA International titles in the lightweight division, is 26-3, but has lost his past two fights — vs. Lamont Peterson and Danny Garcia, both of the U.S. The Garcia bout was for the WBC light welterweight title on July 14. Khan has since changed trainers from Freddie Roach to Virgil Hunter.

Khan won silver at the 2004 Athens Olympics at age 17 to become the youngest British Olympic boxing medalist.

Trey

October 10th, 2012
6:15 pm

So, I am probably going to end up having surgery on my shoulder. I wonder what the chances are, of me getting screws.

Murph

October 10th, 2012
6:17 pm

Victorino also doesn’t strike out 150+ times per season.

cricket

October 10th, 2012
6:18 pm

Maybe because the AA Cardinals hit lefties better than the MLB Atlanta Braves….

guess i’ll leave you alone on subject of willingham since we’ll never agree, but what does this statement mean? you do know that Cards have been one of the best offensive teams, right?

anyway, peace out

Dr. JDM

October 10th, 2012
6:34 pm

Going to miss Chipper Jones. Just check out his career highlights against the Mets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1okTyeuUV4

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
6:58 pm

Cowdogit, the village idiot, is back with his foolish talk again. Funny stuff

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
7:01 pm

Willingham is almost ideal, hits both sides pretty well and is dirt cheap for the level of production. My guess is that the Twins will want a lot of talent though, probably too much

Nerdville

October 10th, 2012
7:04 pm

my imitation of wren in another one of his insightful interviews:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. and furthermore, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

old man

October 10th, 2012
7:06 pm

Tim Hudson, P YES
Brian McCann, C NO
Davis Ross, C YES
Tim Hudson, P YES
Matt Diaz, OF NO
Peter Moylan, P NO
Reed Johnson, OF YES
Paul Maholm, P YES
Lyle Overbay, 1B NO
Miguel Batista, P WHO IS MIGUEL BATISTA?
Ben Sheets, P NO
Jeff Baker, INF NO
Chad Durbin, P YES
Eric Hinske, 1B NO

old man

October 10th, 2012
7:09 pm

I forgot Bourne, YES.

Gone Viral

October 10th, 2012
7:09 pm

Given the success the Twins have had with Scott Diamond, I’m confident that they would love to acquire another polished starter from our farm system. I cannot believe we lost that trade yet thus far, it’s the inescapable conclusion.

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
7:15 pm

what trade? Diamond was a rule 5 draft IIRC.

Gone Viral

October 10th, 2012
7:23 pm

They did acquire Diamond via the draft. They were in danger of having his rights revert back to the Braves. In order to avoid that, they convinced Atlanta to accept a former second round pick named Billy Bullock instead. This was in March of 2011. Bullock is 24 now and had an ERA of 6.3 between AA and AAA. Diamond had an ERA of 3.54 and an ERA+ of 115 for them (Tim Hudson was 110 as a comparison).

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 10th, 2012
7:23 pm

More Willingham love I see… sad I missed it. Would have been great to back on P-Town on that (though I’m sure y’all already know my feelings). The guy has a good track record against lefties, but he hasn’t come close to that over his last 2 years. He’s hitting about the same against them as Uggla has. And everyone says/knows Uggla sucks against lefties (though he did have a really good 2010 vs them)

Also, Willingham just played his career high in games, PAs, and set personal records in HR, RBI. At the age of 34. It’s easily a career year. I doubt he’ll replicate or come very close to it, especially playing in Turner field. Add in the fact that he’s an aging slugger, and that makes it “worse”. I’d be okay with him, as long as we add another proven lefty masher for CF. And, don’t trade Graham, Teheran, Delgado, or Gilmartin for him. Not worth it.

Obviously, not including those guys likely means we won’t get him, but I’m fine with that.

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
7:28 pm

obviously they thought he was not part of their future when they left him available to rule 5, but yeah now that you explain, I do remember that transaction.
Diamond had a good year but his peripherals were not all that good so most here would just turn up their nose at him anyway :D

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
7:29 pm

wanting Willingham has nothing to do with his career year, I wish you’d let up on that. It is his career numbers, not just last season. Pretty much of a strawman every time you bring it up

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 10th, 2012
7:34 pm

Well his numbers over the last 2 years on the road and vs. lefties have been very, very bad. What exactly should cause us to believe that they will get better? He just had a career year and didn’t hit lefties very well.

Also, the price we’d be paying for him is based on his career year.

Besides, if career numbers were all that mattered, we’d have no problem trading Uggla, right? His career stats aren’t bad.

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:38 pm

I’m not sure Diamond is going to sustain this level of pitching, or anything near it given his stuff. But he’s already been worth Billy Bullock and more to the Twins.

Not Understanding

October 10th, 2012
7:40 pm

I’ve been watching the BBtonight crew drooling over Carpenter for the Cards.

I don’t mind giving a guy his due but Carpenter was in trouble all day, gave up 7 hits in 5 and was very lucky.

Why can’t the media just say, “the guy was nothing special. The Nat’s just didn’t do their jobs and swing the bats when they had runners on.

Sound familiar?

Not tipping my hat to Carpenter. I’m ragging on the Nats offense on this one.

Gone Viral

October 10th, 2012
7:41 pm

I think I’m enter off-season number five of wishing the Braves would acquire Willingham.

The last two times this happened for me were Robert Fick and Javier Vazquez, both of whom we did eventually acquire.

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:42 pm

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121010&content_id=39666824&vkey=news_atl&c_id=atl

Rotation: Medlen’s dominance during the season’s second half, combined with Minor’s impressive second-half turnaround, essentially negated the need for the Braves to enter this winter bidding for Zack Greinke or any other potential starting pitchers. The most pressing question entering the 2013 season will center around who will serve as the fifth starter.

Sigh….

Luis Avilan and Cory Gearrin seemed to show enough this past year to position themselves to begin the 2013 season in Atlanta’s bullpen.

Those two with C-Mart and a RH reliever not named Chad Durbin would be good with me. I’d like to see them acquire a RH power arm for the pen.

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:44 pm

I miss Vazquez. Very underrated.

HooRah

October 10th, 2012
7:46 pm

what does road numbers have to do with Willingham? He has been in different parks neither of which was an offensive heaven so it is likely coincidence, not the same thing at all as evaluating a player from a great hitters park.
I can think of no reason that poor numbers against lefties should continue either since he has hit them well enough before.anyway he hit 920 against them last year so other than BA he mashed against them.
Yes his value will be based on his career season, and many have said that he might be out of our price range because of that, but you keep making it sound like that is the big reason he is wanted

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:46 pm

I do not want to watch a Cardinals/Giants NLCS. Last two World Series champs. Yankees in the other ALCS would mean last three champs were in the final four. Rooting hard for the Reds to close it out and for either the A’s or Tigers.

David O'Brien

October 10th, 2012
7:47 pm

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:48 pm

Jason Hammel, Wei Yen Chen, Miguel Gonzalez, Chris Tillman, Zach Britton – how did the Orioles do this?

Efrim

October 10th, 2012
7:51 pm

NEW BLOGGAGE

Awesome, DOB. Very cool. Makes my night and keeps me from doing work!

ncgary

October 11th, 2012
1:03 am

if anyone is interested , here are some of the holistic health studies done on als and other motor neuron diseases
these are valid and may be able to help some of you.
im still going with the prayer option
its never failed me yet

http://www.alsuntangled.com/completed.html

http://www.alsuntangled.com/index.html

anyway holistic and natural methods through diet
and prayer and certain frequencys seem to work on some.

i know id like to see some more braves baseball
so i hope it works for me
lol

[...] in this city. Baseball-reference has many player nicknames, and others came from me more… Wren discusses Braves’ future, offseason to-do list – blogs.ajc.com 10/08/2012 Fifteen hours after the Braves lost 6-3 against St. Louis in the [...]

blackdog

October 11th, 2012
4:31 pm

Uggla’s gotta go-bite the bullet and find a second baseman who at least makes contact with the ball

blackdog

October 11th, 2012
4:35 pm

agree with old man

Wren-a-player

October 13th, 2012
1:30 pm

Wren should make these moves……………………Sign Angel Pagan for Center Field(leadoff hitter),move Prado to 3rd Base and trade Hanson and Teheran to KC for Wil Myer who can play left and hit 5th,6th or 7th..Also pick up Hudson,Maholm and McCann options for 1 year…..yes McCann so Bethancourt can develop in AAA another year…….keep Ross, Johnson,Janish and Francisco for backup/pinchhitter……………all should be good to go after these moves!

Don

October 15th, 2012
10:55 am

You do not build a winning team with a lead off man who strikes out this much – or for that matter with any players who strike out that much.
And certainly not with players who strike out as much as Uggla.
And certainly not with an infielder who is weak defensively.
And certaiinly not with giving long term contract, high salaries to these kind of players.
And you do not pick up a 12 million dollar option on a catcher who has both vision and shoulder problems with his skills going downhill and who has never been that good defensively.
When it comes to crunch time, you are going to do just what you have been doing in the past.

IceboxJewelry

October 16th, 2012
4:12 am

Nice post. I uѕed to be checking contіnuously this weblog and I’m inspired!Let me share a surprise that can take you a good mood, and jewelry financing no credit check .

George Kennard

October 17th, 2012
6:55 pm

The wild card play off scheme is lousy. The last team that gets in has the momemtum and less to lose – far less pressure. I disagree with many of the comments. i believe the Braves field a good team nearly every year and will add by subtraction with Chipper’s retirement.

Braves Junkie

October 25th, 2012
1:32 pm

Enter your comments here

Peter

October 27th, 2012
8:54 pm

Item #1 on to do list.

Wren to get a brain transplant……so he can think baseball !

Yup Blanco sucks good thing we traded him…… Triple .376 average, clutch. wow all ingredients we don’t want on the Braves !

Peter

October 27th, 2012
8:57 pm

blackdog . are you implying someone like Infante ?

Great Job Wren !!!!! $13 plus million for Uggla next year and for how long ?

Does this board know Wren built the most expensive roster in the history of Baltimore when he was there and finished below .500 ?

Please don’t tell me Wren is handicapped buy the Owners !

Wren is handicapped by his Brain for baseball !

Peter

October 29th, 2012
12:29 am

I couldn’t be happier for Blanco, and any who doubts the Braves should have never traded him for the out of baseball Rick Ankiel, and forgot to look at the facts….. it screwed up the Braves chemistry…….

Well there you have it……. a team is not a bunch of long ball hitters, and the Braves need to figure that out !

Especially now in the non steroid era… speed wins and when we traded that away…..well here the Braves are with all that supposed Power….. and look at the Detroit team with all its power !

I also hope Infante is going to be OK… and I would still rather have him than Uggla any day of the week.

Folks with Wren in charge…….. I would seriously doubt the Braves will ever have that Championship feeling again !

woodhzxx

October 29th, 2012
5:01 am

Home 8250 Women 8250 Womens Shoes 8250 Vivienne Westwood 8250 Vivienne Westwood Black Gillie Shoelace Awake Womens Court http://www.viviennewestwoodsale24.co.uk Shoe Vivienne Westwood presents revealed http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com most of the 60 OFF Vivienne Westwood and Delivery in 24 Hour v Gillie Ribbons vivienne westwood uk Over Womens Ct Shoes during this Fall months Winter time vivienne westwood pirate boots brand . Ingesting desire magasin abercrombie via the abercrombie and fitch s shoes Irish Ballerinas http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com wear generally Gillie legally speaking http://www.viviennewestwoodsale24.co.uk footwear comprises of a crisscross wide lace in advance where it fastens on the ankle joint designing vivienne westwood bags k classy abercrombie pas cher m look at . Such a cool 60 OFF Vivienne Westwood and Delivery in 24 Hour womens the courtroom shoes or boots http://www.viviennewestwoodsale24.co.uk is manufactured out of a person’s Melissa brands brand plastic http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com textile vivienne westwood bags getting a abercrombie w charming smelling Abercrombie Pas Cher Abercrombie France Shop Official Site e perfume tend to be obtained by a small but successful Vivienne Westwood Orb Icon along the side of some of the http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com runners . A superb abercrombie and fitch collaboration amongst the two brands Next day Asks for put before you start 12 noon Monday Thurs shall be http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com/ p shipped http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com up coming executing http://www.abercrombiespaschers-fr.com/ day suggests vivienne westwood Courier service Township Service . Plan delivery around abercrombie and fitch france ninety five Monday Friday merely deliveries abercrombie et fitch f tend to be created over the weekend . All of my overnight delivery bill for is without question 4 . 99 Free Delivery Daniel Footwear are generally trying to give all our UK website visitors free delivery . End users who else hand over seventy five as well as over will definately normally secure free traditional UK delivery . Tackle based near to Olympic wedding venues may experience a small delay in about accepting asks for over a Olympic games A person nine Times to come back your purchase to pass on repay . Provide free UK gains next to Daniel Footwear . Simply call us by phone regarding return sections to prepare an arrangement . Our staff members you can ask that you come a simple abercrombie and fitch france t order placed in order to us your past infection together with the packing you can was sent kids while . If we have received materials back home analysis perhaps return as give back the product in the vivienne westwood shoes x full . Daniel Footwear does not reclaim daily . get more infomation FFSDKA122F

cheepercene

October 30th, 2012
3:39 pm

hello there and thank you on your information ? I have definitely picked up anything new from right here north face jacket sale . I did alternatively expertise several technical issues using this website, as I experienced to reload the web site many instances prior to I may just get it to load properly pandora bracelet sale . I had been thinking about if your web hosting is OK? pandora bracelet sale

obiwxielk

January 7th, 2013
6:13 pm

yjdikgldx

January 7th, 2013
6:13 pm

Marnie Segreto

April 16th, 2013
7:14 am

Numerous see becoming expectant mothers before marriage a way of wrecking their wedding holiday weekend. This was understandable when maternity wedding dresses.weren’t as widely available as regular wedding suits. However as time and thus society has changed, the competitors surely have been able which will see such a change and have acted accordingly. It is now possible to actually buy discount maternity wedding dresses with several designs, styles, hues and sizes time for fit every women’s individual need. So don’t discover pregnancy before wedding ceremony as a nightmare. As times have customized it is major to move pass with the culture and not back.*

Remember to take a look at our homepage
http://www.caramoan.ph/5-reasons-to-visit-caramoan/

Braves Roster Is Unfinished Business

August 6th, 2013
11:26 am

[...] the off season needing to improve their bench and fill the vacancies in left, center and at third. In an interview with David O’Brien of the AJC the GM put it this way. “I feel like this is a more focused offseason. I’m looking forward to [...]

GopayDom

September 23rd, 2013
4:09 pm

Add your comment