4:50 pm October 8, 2012, by David O'Brien
P-Town Brave ©
October 9th, 20125:33 pm
I agree….I’ll also be interested to see what adjustments Simba makes and if Freddie can get back to a .290 type hitter….
Frankly I think FF is a .300 hitter waiting to happen…just needs to get out of the pull happy racking up the K type slumps
October 9th, 20125:37 pm
Who was it on telecast that said Fredi would win a batting crown? I don’t know about that one.
October 9th, 20125:38 pm
You know what I meant you bunch of jerks.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#mets will start at around $100M in hope to make david wright a met “for life.” @CBSSports
I hope you are right P-Town, but I don’t see him as a regular 300 hitter, more like a 280 something hitter long term
October 9th, 20125:39 pm
bunch of jerks? I thought we were pretty funny, and right in the vein that you would likely have used too
October 9th, 20125:46 pm
My comment was not directed to anyone in particular, but to those who after a number of days after the game, can’t let it go and move on
October 9th, 20125:55 pm
Thats because since I live in IL I have to hear the constant incessant sniping over and OVER and OVER again from all the Cardinal fans around me…and there are TONS of them….
The worst of it are the ppl just jumping on me because I am a Braves fan in the Midwest….
So for me, no I can’t get over it because it NEVER ENDS!!!
I thought we were pretty funny
Harry Flugelman: But then came “Those Darn Amigos”. A box office failure. Nobody went to see it, because nobody cares about three wealthy Spanish landowners on a weekend in Manhattan. We strayed from the formula and we paid the price.
Ned Nederlander: I thought we were quite good in it.
Lucky Day: Good? We were great!
October 9th, 20125:58 pm
DS1 10/8@10:58 Very well said! Wish all these denigrating fanatics would consider those sentiments.
True, their salaries put their performances at much higher expectation levels, but all are human in the end, not perfect beings that can play at perfect levels every minute of every game.
October 9th, 20125:59 pm
Murph – The clutch conversation in question has been on-going for months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months and months.
Having not participated in the main blog for months and months and months and months . . ., I was unaware that the clutch conversation had been exhausted to death. This was the first time I had engaged in such a conversation.
I apologize for not researching every previous blog for months and months and months and months … to determine which particular discussions have been discussed ad nauseum. If it is any consolation, I now have a big headache and feel that I wasted valuable time in debating the topic.
I can appreciate your feelings. As a Braves fan living in NJ across the river from Philly, I feel your pain
October 9th, 20126:01 pm
Months and months? Shaun’s been ranting on that topic for years and years.
October 9th, 20126:03 pm
I guess its the pessimist in me that knows never to talk before games…..
But Cardinal fan is so cocky that they’ll call their shot well in advance not only because they fully believe their team is that good, but because they seem to get all the crazy breaks and seem to always back it up come playoff time….
Makes me SICK!
Best approach is to not respond to Shaun – it will always translate to a severl day rant and return periodically to continue for more days on end.
October 9th, 20126:07 pm
If it is any consolation, I now have a big headache and feel that I wasted valuable time in debating the topic.
We all feel that way after talking to Shaun. Welcome aboard!
October 9th, 20126:10 pm
That’s probably the same thing with Mitchell, Lew, but folks will still do that, too. Unfortunately.
“If it is any consolation, I now have a big headache and feel that I wasted valuable time in debating the topic.”
Hogwash. There’s no such thing as a headache when talking to a specific blogger. Every blogger is the same. The situations and conversation are the same. You’re imagining things.
That’s almost as absurd as thinking some players are clutch and others aren’t.
The clutch conversation has been around for so long, I think I can repeat it verbatim
October 9th, 20126:15 pm
Yeah, not sure why i brought it up. Wait…. yeah i am. Because I absolutely LOVE watching Shaun rant on that topic.
I imagine it’s like the scene in Austin Powers where the Fembot’s headh starts to spin and smoke and eventually explode.
It’s all good shaun. You know we like you…… most of the time.
October 9th, 20126:20 pm
Chipper E. Jones has never been clutch in the post season. Arod is still playing while Chipper is home with his parting gifts.
October 9th, 20126:23 pm
The Chipper E. Jones thing is a bit old already.
I think you have made your point.
Most of us saw the plays, some in person, and understand Chipper made a costly error.
Let it go.
October 9th, 20126:36 pm
The Giants want this!
October 9th, 20126:45 pm
Posey was out
October 9th, 20126:50 pm
You can’t expect Frank Wren to say anything other than what he did. However, they must do something with Hanson, Jurrjens, Bourne, and Pastornicky. They need to replace Chipper, the need a consistent hitter (with power) for Left field. Get some solid reserves for the outfield and infield. Catching is in good shape for now.
Sambo 4 Rambo
October 9th, 20126:56 pm
Dont we have a stud in double A behind the plate??
October 9th, 20127:01 pm
he’s just another OCD, flange. place breeds then like Drosophila melanogaster around a garbage can
October 9th, 20127:11 pm
Hydrocodone makes ya tired as hell. Wow.
October 9th, 20127:27 pm
Enough of the Chipper E Jones. It was one of the worst plays I’ve ever seen and breaks my heart, and unfortunately that’s the first thing I think of when I think of Chipper now. He makes that play, and we’re probably not here complaining and waiting for next year.
But time to move on, guy gave us everything and actually was clutch in the postseason at least early on. In 95 he hit the homers against the Rockies that won at least one of those games, he was big in the 99 NLCS as well. Could he have come through more? Sure. But he gave it his all, that can’t be denied.
I think Revere is a good way to go. Cheaper and had better numbers than Bourn and he’s younger. He’s still evolving. Give him a shot. Better than overpaying for Mike B, who while I really enjoyed watching, has shown that he gets tired in the second half for the second consecutive season.
And can someone clear something up for me? If Mac’s option IS NOT picked up does that mean he’s off the team? Or does that mean he stays on and then becomes a free agent for 2014 (Jesus can’t believe I’m saying that is going to be the year soon)?
Here’s what I’m hoping for, for next season.
Make a serious play for Headly, or Justin Upton. Someone who can give us some pop who is a right hander.
Bench should stay the same minus Hinske and Overbay. Bring up Mejia and see what he can do. Maybe even Gattis.
BP would stay the same.
GET RID OF TOMMY HANSON! He needs to have more stamina? Really? How about locating your fastball and not hanging your slider everytime a lefty comes up. Good lord. Tommy has always been a power pitcher, but not anymore. He doesn’t know how to finesse pitch.
If we have the money, we should make a run at Grienke perhaps, although I think Delgado has a chance of being great as does Tehran (to a lesser extent.) Plus we’re getting Beach Club back in July.
I’d also be willing to look and see who’d take Uggla. Honestly. I love the way he tries, but the results are not there. His midsummer slump is inexcusable. I know Wren won’t (which is why I didn’t predict the line up without him), but if I had it my way, I’d use him as a trade piece. People might be scared off by the contract but, who knows. At least try. That’d be a lot of money off the books that can be put somewhere useful. Wren has made some bad moves, but man, while Uggla isn’t the worst (Kawakami has to be), he’s a close second. Uggla was great on paper, but hasn’t performed. It’s time to ship him, I hate to say it, but his performance is inexcusable with the amount of money he’s being paid.
Pay Prado, but whatever you do, do not pay Tommy Hanson anything, trade JJ, trade Hanson. It’s time to get their under performing and injury riddled selves out of here. I hate to sound like the negative nancies on here, but facts are facts. Wren is DELUSIONAL if he thinks Hanson should stick around here.
Been a fun year minus the BS on Friday. Had fun with you all, even the negative nancies. Will be around, but not as regularly because sadly while the Braves should be playing tomorrow in game 3 of the NLDS, they won’t be playing until April because of those horrid errors. Most notably Chipper’s. So sad….
October 9th, 20127:31 pm
Josh Hamilton. Enough said
October 9th, 20127:33 pm
And can someone clear something up for me? If Mac’s option IS NOT picked up does that mean he’s off the team? Or does that mean he stays on and then becomes a free agent for 2014
The Braves would pay Mac a $.5M going away present and he would become a free agent 3 days after the WS.
October 9th, 20127:34 pm
Justin Upton away from ‘zona…….1500 PAs 250 .325 .406 .731 76 OPS+
October 9th, 20127:35 pm
Syracuse, dream on. no way is that happening
October 9th, 20127:36 pm
Unless there is structural damage Mac will be picked up.
October 9th, 20127:38 pm
on Upton, forget the OPS+ @76, that is tOPS+
October 9th, 20127:39 pm
There is a guy up the there whom just posted how bs FRANK WREN is and how FREDI GONZALEZ and ROGER MCDOWELL need to be fired and and also how this BRAVES organization needs to to trade away certain players on this roster, now this is 100% BS , especially when the BRAVES have always been the ones that totally need to start playing GREAT OCTOBER POSTSEASON BASEBALL and they NEED to start winning the BIG ONES in OCTOBER.Now this is what this organization needs to be doing.Firing coaches and managers and trading away certain players is not at all the answer/solution to the BRAVES WINNING in OCTOBER.
October 9th, 20127:40 pm
The BRAVES are the ones who need to start WINNING in the POSTSEASON.
October 9th, 20127:57 pm
“Unless there is structural damage Mac will be picked up.”
Probably think they will do that too, but with the intention of trading him. As long as they can show a trading partner his injury does not require surgery and he can be ready to play early next year.
October 9th, 20128:01 pm
I doubt they trade Mac, they would need a catcher back and to me anyway, that seems unlikely
It will be an interesting point to follow this winter though
October 9th, 20128:17 pm
I don’t disagree with you but 1) they can get a lot for him if he will be healty 2) Ross and two more backups can be signed for less than $6 M, 3) I don’t want him in 2014 forward for $15 M or more, 4) He’s not going to play more than 120 games IMO ever again and his best year was 2006.
October 9th, 20128:25 pm
Would we ever see Bobby C as the Braves GM again?
October 9th, 20128:27 pm
October 9th, 2012
Who was it on telecast that said Fredi would win a batting crown? I don’t know about that one.
It won’t happen FREDI had a lifetime .190 batting ave in his 6 year career in low minors.
October 9th, 20128:30 pm
There is a lot in common with UGA football and Braves baseball. DO NOT GET YOUR HOPES UP!
I Support Anyone In A Braves Uniform
October 9th, 20128:45 pm
I have read endless comments about how horrible Wren and Gonzalez are, but I beg to differ. The worst deal Wren has made as GM is without a doubt, Derek Lowe. It was a horrible deal, and I have no problem admitting that. Kawakami was highly sought after but he just didnt pan out. Lowe and Burnette were the best pitchers on the FA market and he was competing with the Yanks. Who knew Mclouth and Uggla would slump so badly? They both looked like good deals at the time. There are still tons of people who think he was responsible for the Texiera trade. Aside from those moves, Wren has built a contending team around a core of young guys like: Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Venters, and Kimbrel. He picked O’flaherty off of waivers and the guy set an ERA record. The Bourn trade gave us a speedy leadoff guy when we basically had no speed. He completely rebuilt our pen, starting when he signed Wagner, and shaped it into one of the best in the game. We tied for the fourth best record in baseball with 94 wins. Our defense was 1st in the league. Our pitching ranked 5th overall. I think people tend to forget we missed the playoffs in 06, 07, 08, and 2009. Wren has built a team that is exciting to watch again. It’s refreshing to know he will be adding “premium” players and I am excited to see who will be in a Braves uniform next season.
October 9th, 20128:47 pm
yeah, I understand the potential benefits I just don’t see them doing it, but Frank has changed their approach some, so we’ll see.
October 9th, 20128:49 pm
I agree that Wren has done a good, though obviously not perfect, job. I look forward to seeing what happen during the off season
October 9th, 20128:52 pm
The Cubs fans around here and their 3 generations worth of heartbreak would disagree w/ you…..
But the Cubs were never good. I mean, this is a lot of postseason losses. 5-12 in playoff series since defeating the Cardinals in the 1996 NLCS. 0-7 in their last 7 postseason series.
Ok, recovered from the headache! I really did not mind debating the clutch issue. It Is better than dealing with trolls or people who gutlessly feel there is no hope for the braves. Watching the games the last couple of days makes me long for those days in the 90s when the braves were winning series and were legitimate threats to win it all.
October 9th, 20128:55 pm
It would take several generations of cubs’ fans to experience the number of playoff series the braves have lost in the last twenty-one years.
October 9th, 20128:56 pm
Even if they know Mac has to have surgery to repair the shoulder, I still think they exercise that option.
October 9th, 20128:58 pm
My last comment on the infield fly call hoopla……would have loved to have seen Fredi walk over to one of those buttondowns in the first row, grab a beer bottle and throw it on the field himself!
Am giving serious thought to buying one of those tshirts with the e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d third base infield area.
October 9th, 20128:59 pm
I think the Mets will come to an agreement with Wright. They have no choice, really.
October 9th, 20129:00 pm
Hunter Pence is one awkward ballplayer.
October 9th, 20129:05 pm
I think so too Efrim, but that might affect it
Well, that’s a big decision. I’m sure they’ll pick up Mac’s option although his performance has declined, he’s gained weight and just doesn’t look like himself anymore. I know he was injury ridden but who’s to say that that doesn’t creep up again? We have a good team, but it’s going to take a lot to replace Chipper. Picking up options on Mac and Huddy might not be the answer as much as I love both of them. I’d prefer Hudson, but that’s 21 million right there. Gah, Wren please, please make a move this offseason that will give us a nice right handed stick and Ben Revere.
October 9th, 20129:07 pm
Bah, Revere ain’t nuttin’ special
Shoulder injuries can be more serious and take longer to recover from than elbows (TJ) with a smaller recovery group. Especially when the groups are compared at the 100% recovery range.
Lee in S GA
October 9th, 20129:11 pm
Chip Carey seems to take a tongue lashing by most on here. However after listening to Joe Simpson during the Reds / Giants game tonight and the pi$$ poor performance he did on the Braves Wild Card Game it is clear Chip makes him a better announcer..
that’s true KL, they can. at this point at least it does not seem to be at that lever of injury/ I guess we will know more soon
October 9th, 20129:12 pm
I don’t like either, but I really have never liked Joe at all
October 9th, 20129:15 pm
I guess I could see a LH CF being brought in. But that LF has to be a RH, and a middle of the order bat.
October 9th, 20129:17 pm
I’d be shocked if the Braves didn’t pick up the option. But I guess we’ll know more when the dye contrast MRI happens.
October 9th, 20129:18 pm
I do not want an lefty unless he has a proven history of being able to get on base against both pitchers
October 9th, 20129:19 pm
I think Uggla will be a bit less Uggly this coming year
October 9th, 20129:22 pm
me either Nolie but after Ernie, Skip and the Professor all those years the announcing had no way to go but down…
October 9th, 20129:23 pm
Wish Span hit a little more on the road. Plays good D and hits LHP well enough.
I’m totally against spending money and giving up a first rounder for either Swisher or BJ Upton. I guess it comes down to – will we trade for both, CF and LF? Or sign one of the free agent outfielders.
I wish Span did not have that silly stat away from Minn. since it covers two stadiums it might not mean all that much, and he hits lefties fairly well and plays good D.
October 9th, 20129:24 pm
This is going to be like one of those chess matches where one player makes a move and then hits the timer, leaving the second player an allotted amount of time to make his next move. Dragging feet could leave Mac a free agent by 11/1/12. The Braves will want medical proof before committing to the option and if Mac is hurt, he is going to be very reluctant to report to the Braves Dr.’s for examination. It will be like “Wheel of Forturn” with Vanna White spinning that wheel.
October 9th, 20129:25 pm
looks like you won the race to the submit button
October 9th, 20129:28 pm
If this organization wants to win the National League East and defeat a 98 win Nationals team, they better have a better idea than platooning Juan Francisco at 3rd base. And if that is a consideration, given how much he makes, Josh friggin Hamilton better be coming over here to play CF…..
Oh man, Coco Crisp just robbed Fielder of a homer. Amazing catch.
October 9th, 20129:29 pm
Cereal man , lets get him!!!
October 9th, 20129:30 pm
Or sign one of the free agent outfielders.
The 2 guys who don’t hit righties, one who never hits on the road? I’m not impressed w/ any FA outfielder, unfortunately. Hunter is decent, but that’s about it.
October 9th, 20129:33 pm
Nah, not Hamilton. I’d take a pitcher. Greinke or Haren better be coming over if that happens.
It’s already unlikely that we’ll spend 15, let alone 20mil on the 2 OF positions and a vet bench bat. If the FO “cops out” and goes cheap w/ Juan at 3rd and a platoon in LF, there better be a serious pitcher added.
Brett Anderson has some breaking pitches from the left side. Nasty stuff.
October 9th, 20129:35 pm
Starting Reed Johnson in LF vs. LHP and Juan Francisco vs. RHP can’t be part of the answer.
I don’t care what the question is.
October 9th, 20129:40 pm
Hunter is old, he could fall off the edge of the world any day and no longer plays center, but he is a fairly good hitter
October 9th, 20129:41 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
Hasn’t pitched 16-18 mths w/ arm injury, no “@itsyoblazincuzo: @ajcbraves do you think hanson has an injury? He used to hit 93-95 now 88-90″
I really don’t think that drop in velocity means his shoulder is 100%, though. “Normal wear and tear” as Andrews said is effecting him more than it does other pitchers. Maybe it’s the delivery that isn’t helping either.
I hope they re-sign Reed though
Hunter Pence is 29
October 9th, 20129:43 pm
I agree with you on Uggla. He think he reverts back to his career norms next season. I hope the braves stay away from Swisher in the offseason. Talk about playoff futility and his power numbers would decrease away from the short porch. The twins and royals would match up well for the braves as trading partners.
I agree with you on Uggla. I think he reverts back to his career norms next season. I hope the braves stay away from Swisher in the offseason. Talk about playoff futility and his power numbers would decrease away from the short porch. The twins and royals would match up well for the braves as trading partners.
October 9th, 20129:45 pm
I want Reed re-signed too. Him and Ross. And I’m down with Francisco on the bench. Just rather not have them starting a ton.
October 9th, 20129:46 pm
lets hope we are right Billy
I think all of these things are a fair bet
October 9th, 20129:52 pm
Pence isn’t old… 29. The year he had is a little disappointing, since he is in his prime, but his power/rbi is still there. May be “cheap” for us if SF lets him go
October 9th, 201210:00 pm
Fowler could be an option… Rockies desperately need pitching.
October 9th, 201210:24 pm
Pence is Arb4 this year will make around 14mil
October 9th, 201210:26 pm
Chipper E. Jones is prolly cooking up some sausage and waxing his surfboard and watching the playoffs as usual.
October 9th, 201210:28 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM
PHOENIX wins 4-3
DH ED SALCEDO .250 BA 1-4, 1 2B , 2 RBI , 1 SO.
RHRP RYAN BUCHTER [4.50 ERA] 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R/ER, 1 BB.
October 9th, 201210:30 pm
Season is over so I can speak out on Uggla.
Season isn’t over a week and in spite of what we have seen for 2 years now some are already saying Uggla is going to snap out of it next year. Still waiting on that inevitable hot streak that has yet to come. Yeah he walks so his OBP is decent looking but I don’t think he drove in any runs with any of those walks this year and if he did it was less than 3.
Defense is better than we thought when he came here but still not good. Heck, if he hadn’t been slow to the bag he could have caught the throw Chipper made to him but he was late getting there and couldn’t react to keep the throw on the infield.
Wish they would DIVORCE Uggla, move Prado to 2nd, get a 3rd baseman and if we can do no better in left at least get a lefty hitter to platoon in left with Johnson.
October 9th, 201210:37 pm
Mark if you saw Uggla being late to 2nd as what happened when Chipper was charged with an error, all I can say is you’re a fool. You’ve been like a guy from the 50’s that hasn’t watched any baseball for 60 years from the day you showed up.
October 9th, 201210:39 pm
To the carpers one and all:
You poor souls.
No more LARRY WAYNE to blame for BRAVES shortcomings. No more BOBBY COX to tag as the evil architect responsible for the dearth of BRAVES WS Championships. Only the brain-dead FREDDI GONZALEZ left to hang your vitrolic blame-game on. Unless you invent some new villains to portray as inept boobs in BRAVES uni’s. UGGLA, McCANN et. al.
HEH! You losers are really funny.
October 9th, 201210:44 pm
Thats just the way I saw it. The way he was approaching the bag the only throw he could handle was a perfect one. But you saw it different. I’m not gonna call you names though! I’ll admit that I am ready to pounce on Uggla though whenever he screws up because I’m so tired of watching him flail away up there and strand runners.
October 9th, 201210:46 pm
he was second in RBIs for second basemen IIRC
October 9th, 201210:49 pm
You confuse fact with fiction. Shame on you.
October 9th, 201210:54 pm
Just seen Trouble with the curve….Good flick,But in the movie they said Jurjjens threw a No hitter,Talk about fiction!
October 9th, 201210:58 pm
Most teams have second baseman that aren’t middle of the order RBI guys and are better defensively and more slap hitters. I realize thats not Uggs fault. However, he was brought here to hit and drive in runs. I don’t think he can be defended by leading 2nd basemen in RBIs when obviously his production hasn’t been close to what we expected when he was signed.
If I’m so wrong about him maybe other teams would want a 220 hitter that led the league in walks and wont mind that he led the league in Ks. Then we wouldn’t have to eat all that salary.
October 9th, 201211:01 pm
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