I despise the Nats, but I hope they beat the Cardinals because I hate them now. And, yes, I know they weren’t responsible for the Braves’ poor showing or Holbrook’s brain fart, but this is the second season in a row they’ve been instrumental in our elimination from the post-season. I hope they get swept by the Nats. Then, I hope the Nats get swept by whoever. I know that won’t happen, but it would make me happy.
Chipper had a great regular season for his swan song. Lots of highlights and good memories for him and the fans.
Chipper Choked the playoff game away. No other way to say it.
Great season by Meds. Gives us hope for the future.
The pickup of Sheets was a good move. He helped in a time of need.
The move to get Maholm and Johnson at the deadline another good move. Get those two ready for a full season in atlanta.
Prado was Prado. Good hitting and dependable as always. Playing all over the field. Lock him up.
The young guys. Freddie and Heyward had good seasons and could be cornerstones for years to come.
Mac had a bad season for him but it is too early to give up on him. Just like Jason had a bounce back season a healthy Mac can too.
Kimbrell and the rest of the bullpen. Outstanding work. Good to know that Kimbrell will be there at the end of the game.
Hudson another good year and Veteran leadership.
Uggla was down and leaves us to wonder what will happen next year and beyond.
Simmons played good when healthy.
Janish another good pickup.
Bench needs help. Speed and power.
Ross another very solid season lock up for two more years.
Fredi seemed to improve during the last month of the season but still made many head scratching decisions. Too bad Francona will be the manager of the Indians and not the braves.
wow, that has got to be three dozen times that Nowhere Man has ripped Chipper since yesterday. What a freaking hateful idiot. Guy is as obsessed as Robert was about Bobby.
of course the internet is a fertile breeding ground for obsession, all the nuts get to come on and spew their venom over and over and over and over and over..ad nauseam
Just went through the previous 37 pages of comments. Not surprised at some of the things said. The Chipper error seemed to be the turning point, but Medlen was not on at all aside from the first inning. Was up in the zone all day and it hurt him on the Craig double(which was not played well by Prado). It was a terrible game all around, and it’s a shame that this just simply keeps happening with this team. The last four years have ended terribly – just bad baseball.
He obviously has no respect for Brian McCann’s career achievements.
The errors occurred early in the game.
Simmons fly ball came in the most pivotal moment of the game.
We would have had the bases loaded with Brian McCann at the plate.
Mr. Grand Slam.
But in Chipper’s eyes, and now in the minds of the national media and much of the viewing public, his error is somehow more crucial than Brian McCann’s stolen at-bat.
If it matters so little to him, maybe he should have taken the day off.
The call was terrible, but is in no way the only reason why the Braves lost this game. So many other reasons.
The Braves are now 360-288 over the last four seasons and have played in just ONE playoff series. They have not advanced in the postseason since 2001 and are now, 0-7 in their last 7 playoff series(including Friday). You can’t make stuff like that up. You’d think at some point they’d grab a series win somehow, but whether it’s the umps, bad defense, baserunning, poor situational hitting, managerial moves, whatever – they just can’t do anything right in October. It’s incredibly frustrating.
Based on Wren’s comments, it certainly doesn’t seem like the Braves will look at acquiring another starter. That’s unfortunate, as I believe it’s a true need. Seems like they feel leadoff is really important. I do like hearing that he will split up the funds and go after two $8-10 million dollar players rather than a guy making $15+ and filler. That, to me, makes a ton of sense.
Also, given Wren’s feeling that Prado is a #2 hole hitter, I would not be surprised to see Shane Victorino brought in to play CF. Just seems like a reasonable fit. Not sure they would go after Angel Pagan, but that could be possible too.
I’d still rather go big thumper in LF and frontline starter, but it almost seems like they are thinking about Beachy coming back mid-season. I don’t think that should be a part of it.
Who else is out there for some Mac insurance for 2013?
Napoli.
Sad that we won’t be getting another pitcher, as it is a big need. Especially for 2014. A 38yr old and a guy with 30 career starts can’t be your 1-2. Gonna hurt in 2014.
As for hitters, there are some good guys to trade for, but alot of them are LH. Do we go attempt for monster power in LF and go with defense in CF? (Willingham, Bourjos) Or do we go with good hitters for both positions, even if D gets a little worse (Gordon,Jay). Only problem is both guys are lefties…we don’t need 2 more lefties.
7. J.R. Graham, rhp, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 22 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-0 Wt.: 185 Drafted: Santa Clara, 2011 (4th round).
The Braves may have gotten a steal when they drafted Graham in the fourth round a year ago. After breezing through the CL and finishing his first full pro season in Double-A, he owns a 17-4, 2.49 record in pro ball. One scout who saw him at Lynchburg compared him Kris Medlen.
Graham is a bulldog who attacks hitters and induces groundballs. His 4.2 groundout/airout ratio would have led the league if he had enough innings to qualify. He throws a pair of fastballs, a 93-97 mph four-seamer and a low-90s sinker, and backs them up with a sharp slider and an in-progress changeup.
13. Nick Ahmed, ss, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 22 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 205 Drafted: Connecticut, 2011 (2nd round).
Ahmed saved his best game of the season for his last, lifting Lynchburg to the league title by going 4-for-5 with three doubles and making several key plays at shortstop in an extra-inning win over Winston-Salem. That capped a fine first full pro season in which he led the CL in runs (84), doubles (36), steals (40) and fielding percentage at shortstop (.963).
Ahmed is particularly impressive in the field and on the basepaths. He uses his above-average speed and first-step quickness to steal bases and cover plenty of ground to both sides at shortstop. His strong arm plays up because of his quick release and throwing accuracy.
Offensively, Ahmed was at his best early in the season when he worked counts to get a pitch he could drive. He began swinging for the fences and chasing high fastballs in the second half. He has enough bat speed to pull a fastball but needs to focus on taking offspeed pitches the other way and improving his bunting skills to better utilize his speed.
14. Edward Salcedo, 3b, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 20 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 195 Signed: Dominican Republic ‘10
Salcedo has tremendous raw power that should only increase as he gets stronger. However, he’s overly aggressive at the plate, swinging for the fences on every pitch, and struggles to recognize offspeed offerings. He has been equally tantalizing and frustrating in the field.
Salcedo has the arm strength and hands to stick at third base, but his lack of focus and poor footwork led to him committing a league-high 42 errors at third base. While he runs well for his size and did top CL third basemen in putouts (79) and assists (265), a move to the outfield could be in his future. Lynchburg manager Luis Salazar believes more playing time and improved concentration is what Salcedo needs most.
“A couple of years from now, he will be a very solid player,” Salazar said. “He needs to slow down a little bit and play under control. When he does that, he is a hell of a third baseman.”
I believe Wren’s 1st order of business should be getting David Ross and Reed Johnson signed quickly. With concerns with McCann we gotta keep Ross, and having holes at both CF and LF securing a really good 4th OFer early is important.
Not Jaypers (Wisconsin): Josh, who were the biggest suprises and disappointments from evaluators and managers in putting this list together?
Josh Leventhal: Managers really loved J.R. Graham and were impressed by his polish as a pitcher. Carlos Sanchez’s ability to seemingly play anywhere on the infield also impressed. I think some folks expected a better second full season out of Brandon Jacobs, who still seems pretty raw at the plate and in the outfield. There was talk about a lack of focus from Edward Salcedo.
Sammy (Miami): Was Cody Martin given consideration? Why or why not?
Josh Leventhal: He was definitely given consideration, but the uncertainty over his future role was the difference. A good fastball-slider combination. His fastball isn’t overpowering but it has good movement and he commands it well, and his slider has potential to be above-average.
In offseason trades this offseason, Graham, Gilmartin, Teheran, Terdoslavich, Lipka, and possibly LaStella are my untouchables on the farm system.
Agree Va. I really hope that Mac will be okay. If we have to use Ross and Boscan for 2 months, oh my. Doubt they’d target another catcher unless Mac will miss most of the season.
I love speedy little leadoff hitters, but the reality is that over the last 13 seasons, Braves leadoff hitters have OPS’d over .750 six times. In those six seasons, they average 116 runs scored with an average OPS around .780. In the seven seasons, they did not OPS .750 at the leadoff spot, they averaged 101 runs and averaged an OPS around .710. Every 10 points of OPS is typically seen to be worth somewhere from 2 to 2.5 runs. So it’s not really a surprising finding. As much as I prefer the exciting little speedster because they are fun, I think I would be just looking for the best available hitters rather than stereotypes.
Dave (Atlanta): Lynchburg’s Juan Jaime was old for the Carolina League, but he had a solid season after missing two full years. He supposedly hit 100 and 101 several times this season. Is he all fastball or does he have any other pitches?
Josh Leventhal: It was a good bounce back season for Jaime after missing two years following Tommy John surgery. He was consistently in the 97-98 mph range, and hit 101 on the radar gun. His changeup has a chance but the breaking ball is pretty fringy.
Vern (Corpus Christi): Matt Lipka, is he healthy now? What kind of future does he have?
Josh Leventhal: He improved defensively in center field as the season went on. At the plate, he was described as giving pitchers too much credit and needs to be more aggressive. Still working on improving small-ball approach and do a better job with bunting to take better advantage of his speed.
They need to figure out McCann ASAP. If he needs the surgery do it right now. Can’t pay a player 12 million if you think he’s gonna miss a good amount of time during the season.
Tom (Atlanta): Tommy La Stella put up some pretty good numbers this year, what did the managers think of him?
Josh Leventhal: Described as a good, lefthanded-hitting utility player at the big league level. He hits both lefthanded and righthanded pitching well. Does the little things well offensively—can hit behind the runners, bunt. He’s improved but still a little lacking defensively. He got better at turning double-plays but struggles with groundballs to his backhand.
As much as I prefer the exciting little speedster because they are fun, I think I would be just looking for the best available hitters rather than stereotypes.
I agree. Not sure if Wren does though. They might think that getting a player like Victorino or Pagan is as good as we can do to replace Bourn and make the offense better. Who knows. Just seems like he isn;t going to go after pitching, and I think that’s not a good idea.
Yeah, I don’t think Wren does either. What’s scary is that if you lose Bourn and if Prado moves back to the infield, that’s almost the same as losing an ace pitcher because of the runs they saved this year defensively in the outfield. About 40 or so runs above average. A pitcher that is 40 runs above average is a 6 WAR top of the rotation starter. Hopefully, Prado could be somewhat comparable defensively at third as he was in left in terms of runs saved. We’ll see.
Only way I really agree with adding a top tier starter is if we trade away some of our other options.
Tim Hudson, Kris Medlen, Paul Maholm, Mike Minor, Tommy Hanson, Randell Delgado, Julio Teheran, Brandon Beachy, and Sean Gilmartin all are under team control and figure to be able to contribute at some point.
Past few years we’ve deemed a handful of them untouchable and so on. Its time to show us why. So if they plan on paying for Zack Grienke or trading for James Shields or gambling on Dan Haren we gotta trade some of these other options if they can bring good value back.
We have to replace Chipper and Bourn in the lineup and we have no idea what to expect from Uggla or McCann. So to me offense is a huge concern. While starting pitching seems to have enough depth to put together a good rotation with some depth behind it. It’s time to either use these untouchable arms or lose them.
The Cardinals aren’t honestly going to win the World Series for a 3rd time in 7 seasons when they probably didn’t deserve to make the postseason in any of those three seasons – winning 83, 90, and 88 in those three seasons. Just awful. The opposite of the Braves.
Who wants Rockies hitters? The all stink away from Coors.
The only one I’d want would be Tulo and they are not going to trade him, and it looks like we have chance at a good future at short as it is.
I’d trade everyone but CarGo and Tulo if I were the Rocks. Sell high on Fowler and get rid of Cuddyer, who I think is slightly overpaid.
My guess is they will still go for it, and I guess I can’t blame them too much in that division. SS, LF, C, CF, RF is pretty well set there. They have absolutely no starting pitching and that’s a huge issue for them.
Crazy that, according to fangraphs, Heyward was the best baserunner (BSR) and best fielder (UZR) in the majors this year. Will be funny 10 years from now when he is a lumbering slugger to remember how athletic he was in his youth.
Hamilton, Bourn, Upton, Swisher, Victorino, Pagan, Youkilis(3B) are the free agent options. I don’t see us filling both needs through free agency, so I expect a trade to be made. And with the abundance in starting pitching, I think one of the younger pitchers will be traded along with Hanson.
I think we need a high leverage RH reliever, so maybe Hanson could be used for that.
I think they could do worse than Pagan, depending on money/time of course. at least he has shown that he can hit ok in pitchers parks for the most part
If you trade Hanson this winter, it is from a point of pretty low value
If the Braves believe he can strengthen the shoulder and increase velocity plus sharpening command/control, then that’s something I have no clue about. But by the look of it, you’re better off trading him for prospects/players and using the 3 million elsewhere.
He’s the 5th starter, and we have options who could probably pitch around 4.5 with 5 IP per start that make less.
Nah, I’ve given up that dream, though it has hurt. Frank went from wanting to trade for and possible sign him this offseason to spending solely on offense. What’s worse is that I only really like the Rangers in the AL (because of Darvish), and Greinke probably won’t go there. It’s a lose-lose for me
the wise decision of getting rid of the worst manager in baseball.
Not arguing, because I don’t know that much about him, but he’s got the best winning % (.488) of any Rockies Mgr. which includes Leyland and Baylor.
They have absolutely no starting pitching and that’s a huge issue for them
May be the reason no manager can be successful in Colorado. It drives the best of them nuts…
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“It was almost impossible to manage a pitching staff when I was there,” Leyland said. “A guy could pitch a good game and give up seven runs. … It was frustrating for me. I’m a 4-3, 5-3, 3-2 manager. It’s just different. But I did a lousy job. That’s just the way it was.” – 6/16/11, MLB
Efrim – Who has “good bullpen management” with a bad pitching staff?
They weren’t this bad in 2010 and 2011. Not like this. Tracy has never been a good manager of the bullpen and has always made terrible decisions like sac bunting early in games and intentionally putting runners on base.
Do you think EOF is here to stay? He’s due for a nice raise and should be around a 4 million salary in 2013. Hell we roughly spent about 6 million total on our whole bullpen in 2012.
Actually, I wasn’t referring to just Tracy. And, if you don’t like Leyland, you’re ob [cough] viously not [cough cough] a smok [aahackaacough] er. Got a light?
I love Leyland as a person, actually. Love the way he handles the media. Maybe just not the thought process sometimes. I’m glad the Tigers are doing well though, and I’m rooting for Tigers/Reds World Series.
The San Francisco 49ers have run for 311 yards vs. the Bills today. So much for that great defensive line of the Bills(Marion Williams, Mark Anderson, Kyle Williams and Marcel Dareus).
Possible CF candidate. Has 1 year left on his contract. An average hitter at best. Very good defensively. Nickname is “Death to Flying Things”
Franklin Gutierrez of the Mariners.
Coming off two straight seasons of some major injuries. Finished the year at 260/309/420. And he is right handed. 7 million dollar salary for 2013 with a 7.5 million dollar option for 2014.
Might be had for a mid level prospect (at that salary level).
2012 numbers were for 40 games and shows as better than his career averages.
Josh Willingham had a very good year in 2012, as most are aware. Was it a career year, or is this the norm now? If the Twinkies are thinking the same way, they will be trying to sell high. If they think he can duplicate this sort of performance, they’d be smart to keep him at 7 million per year for 2 more years.
We shoulda pushed harder for this guy or Cody Ross last year.
Not a bad option, Wayne. But that LF is going to have to be one heck of a hitter and we’ll need a good 4th outfielder because of Franklin’s injury history.
I agree. It’s really all a crap shoot when you’re trying to figure out who’s going to be healthy and who’s not. Who would have thought that Beltran would have stayed so healthy this year?
I also would not be surprised to see FW make a big play for Justin Upton this winter.
Oh, of course. If the Niners can keep the O rolling (back to back wins of 30+ points) and the D stays the D, I’m confident. Good match up next week with VJ’s boys at the Stick
Somebody’s going to be disappointed down your way, huh!
Well, VJ is tough. He can handle a little disappointment I’m guessing!
Glad to hear that the Nats beat the Cards today. I was kinda hoping that the “Swinging A’s” would put it to the Tigers, but I guess a northern CA series was too much to ask for.
Gonna head out for the night. Watching a movie with #3 son.
Now that the Braves are out, I want the Nats over the Cards. But, the truth is, the playoffs will be fun to watch and not nerve-racking without my Braves. Let’s get ‘em in 2013. GO BRAVES!
I am calling the comimissioners office tomorrow. It won’t change a thing , but I will feel better to let them know BRAVES were ripped off by both the umpires Friday and the stupit single game format.
San Francisco 49ers @49ers
Today, the #49ers became the 1st team in NFL history to post 300-or-more yards rushing (311) and passing (310) in the same game. #NFLHistory
San Francisco 49ers @49ers
Today, the #49ers became the 1st team in NFL history to post 300-or-more yards rushing (311) and passing (310) in the same game. #NFLHistory
The move of Alex Boone to RG and the progression of Iupati and Davis has made it one of the better offensive lines in the league, and probably the best run blocking offensive line in the league.
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keyLargo
October 7th, 2012
2:51 pm
Frank Wren – “Our bullpen is intact, our starting rotation is intact.”
Maybe this year some here will finally listen to what FW says
“I remember Frank Wren promising two starting pitchers and an outfielder in the early winter of 08. We’re still waiting on the left fielder”.
Jeff R
October 7th, 2012
2:55 pm
Simmons is a future All-Star, IMO.
Jeff R
October 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
I think Wren will be aggressive in replacing Bourn and finding a LF (Prado moves to third, I presume).
I hope Wren doesn’t limit his search top thumpers. Guys you get hits and advance and score runners should make the list.
Hillbilly
October 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
This Oakland-Detroit game is pure insanity. Absolutely wild.
Brava
October 7th, 2012
2:58 pm
I despise the Nats, but I hope they beat the Cardinals because I hate them now. And, yes, I know they weren’t responsible for the Braves’ poor showing or Holbrook’s brain fart, but this is the second season in a row they’ve been instrumental in our elimination from the post-season. I hope they get swept by the Nats. Then, I hope the Nats get swept by whoever. I know that won’t happen, but it would make me happy.
Brava
October 7th, 2012
3:05 pm
Simmons is a future All-Star, IMO.
No doubt, barring injury.
Nowhere Man
October 7th, 2012
3:11 pm
Some things to take away from this season.
Chipper had a great regular season for his swan song. Lots of highlights and good memories for him and the fans.
Chipper Choked the playoff game away. No other way to say it.
Great season by Meds. Gives us hope for the future.
The pickup of Sheets was a good move. He helped in a time of need.
The move to get Maholm and Johnson at the deadline another good move. Get those two ready for a full season in atlanta.
Prado was Prado. Good hitting and dependable as always. Playing all over the field. Lock him up.
The young guys. Freddie and Heyward had good seasons and could be cornerstones for years to come.
Mac had a bad season for him but it is too early to give up on him. Just like Jason had a bounce back season a healthy Mac can too.
Kimbrell and the rest of the bullpen. Outstanding work. Good to know that Kimbrell will be there at the end of the game.
Hudson another good year and Veteran leadership.
Uggla was down and leaves us to wonder what will happen next year and beyond.
Simmons played good when healthy.
Janish another good pickup.
Bench needs help. Speed and power.
Ross another very solid season lock up for two more years.
Fredi seemed to improve during the last month of the season but still made many head scratching decisions. Too bad Francona will be the manager of the Indians and not the braves.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
3:39 pm
wow, that has got to be three dozen times that Nowhere Man has ripped Chipper since yesterday. What a freaking hateful idiot. Guy is as obsessed as Robert was about Bobby.
of course the internet is a fertile breeding ground for obsession, all the nuts get to come on and spew their venom over and over and over and over and over..ad nauseam
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
So, that was a fun Friday evening drive to Philadelphia……
Nowhere Man
October 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
Why didn’t you get so upset when Chipper ripped Heyward for losing a ball in the sun?
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
Just went through the previous 37 pages of comments. Not surprised at some of the things said. The Chipper error seemed to be the turning point, but Medlen was not on at all aside from the first inning. Was up in the zone all day and it hurt him on the Craig double(which was not played well by Prado). It was a terrible game all around, and it’s a shame that this just simply keeps happening with this team. The last four years have ended terribly – just bad baseball.
Mitchell
October 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
So glad Chipper is “at peace.”
He obviously has no respect for Brian McCann’s career achievements.
The errors occurred early in the game.
Simmons fly ball came in the most pivotal moment of the game.
We would have had the bases loaded with Brian McCann at the plate.
Mr. Grand Slam.
But in Chipper’s eyes, and now in the minds of the national media and much of the viewing public, his error is somehow more crucial than Brian McCann’s stolen at-bat.
If it matters so little to him, maybe he should have taken the day off.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
3:52 pm
The call was terrible, but is in no way the only reason why the Braves lost this game. So many other reasons.
The Braves are now 360-288 over the last four seasons and have played in just ONE playoff series. They have not advanced in the postseason since 2001 and are now, 0-7 in their last 7 playoff series(including Friday). You can’t make stuff like that up. You’d think at some point they’d grab a series win somehow, but whether it’s the umps, bad defense, baserunning, poor situational hitting, managerial moves, whatever – they just can’t do anything right in October. It’s incredibly frustrating.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
3:59 pm
Based on Wren’s comments, it certainly doesn’t seem like the Braves will look at acquiring another starter. That’s unfortunate, as I believe it’s a true need. Seems like they feel leadoff is really important. I do like hearing that he will split up the funds and go after two $8-10 million dollar players rather than a guy making $15+ and filler. That, to me, makes a ton of sense.
Nowhere Man
October 7th, 2012
4:11 pm
Go Falcons 5-0 for the first time in their history
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:18 pm
Also, given Wren’s feeling that Prado is a #2 hole hitter, I would not be surprised to see Shane Victorino brought in to play CF. Just seems like a reasonable fit. Not sure they would go after Angel Pagan, but that could be possible too.
I’d still rather go big thumper in LF and frontline starter, but it almost seems like they are thinking about Beachy coming back mid-season. I don’t think that should be a part of it.
Fredo
October 7th, 2012
4:22 pm
first Friday and now today … Cardinals really are going to the World Series again
early 2-0 lead on NO HITS!?!?!?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
4:39 pm
Who else is out there for some Mac insurance for 2013?
Napoli.
Sad that we won’t be getting another pitcher, as it is a big need. Especially for 2014. A 38yr old and a guy with 30 career starts can’t be your 1-2. Gonna hurt in 2014.
As for hitters, there are some good guys to trade for, but alot of them are LH. Do we go attempt for monster power in LF and go with defense in CF? (Willingham, Bourjos) Or do we go with good hitters for both positions, even if D gets a little worse (Gordon,Jay). Only problem is both guys are lefties…we don’t need 2 more lefties.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:42 pm
2012 Carolina League Top 20 Prospects
By Josh Leventhal(Baseball America)
October 5, 2012
1. Dylan Bundy, rhp, Delmarva (Orioles)
2. Xander Bogaerts, ss, Salem (Red Sox)
3. Matt Barnes, rhp, Salem (Red Sox)
4. Jackie Bradley Jr., of, Salem (Red Sox)
5. Cody Buckel, Myrtle Beach (Rangers)
6. Carlos Sanchez, ss/2b, Winston-Salem (White Sox)
7. J.R. Graham, rhp, Lynchburg (Braves)
8. Yordano Ventura, rhp, Wilmington (Royals)
9. Christian Villanueva, 3b, Myrtle Beach (Rangers)
10. Orlando Calixte, ss, Wilmington (Royals)
11. Erik Johnson, rhp, Winston-Salem (White Sox)
12. Hanser Alberto, ss, Myrtle Beach (Rangers)
13. Nick Ahmed, ss, Lynchburg (Braves)
14. Edward Salcedo, 3b, Lynchburg (Braves)
15. Nathan Karns, rhp, Potomac (Nationals)
16. Luke Jackson, rhp, Myrtle Beach (Rangers)
17. Christian Vazquez, c, Salem (Red Sox)
18. Trayce Thompson, of, Winston-Salem (White Sox)
19. Ronny Rodriguez, ss/2b, Carolina (Indians)
20. Cheslor Cuthbert, 3b, Wilmington (Royals)
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
4:42 pm
Frank may overpay for Cody Ross or Hairston…
Melky and Delmon Young are out there (I say no to both). Jonny Gomes, Pagan, Sizemore, BJ Upton, Victorino, Swisher, and Torii Hunter.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:46 pm
7. J.R. Graham, rhp, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 22 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-0 Wt.: 185 Drafted: Santa Clara, 2011 (4th round).
The Braves may have gotten a steal when they drafted Graham in the fourth round a year ago. After breezing through the CL and finishing his first full pro season in Double-A, he owns a 17-4, 2.49 record in pro ball. One scout who saw him at Lynchburg compared him Kris Medlen.
Graham is a bulldog who attacks hitters and induces groundballs. His 4.2 groundout/airout ratio would have led the league if he had enough innings to qualify. He throws a pair of fastballs, a 93-97 mph four-seamer and a low-90s sinker, and backs them up with a sharp slider and an in-progress changeup.
13. Nick Ahmed, ss, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 22 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 205 Drafted: Connecticut, 2011 (2nd round).
Ahmed saved his best game of the season for his last, lifting Lynchburg to the league title by going 4-for-5 with three doubles and making several key plays at shortstop in an extra-inning win over Winston-Salem. That capped a fine first full pro season in which he led the CL in runs (84), doubles (36), steals (40) and fielding percentage at shortstop (.963).
Ahmed is particularly impressive in the field and on the basepaths. He uses his above-average speed and first-step quickness to steal bases and cover plenty of ground to both sides at shortstop. His strong arm plays up because of his quick release and throwing accuracy.
Offensively, Ahmed was at his best early in the season when he worked counts to get a pitch he could drive. He began swinging for the fences and chasing high fastballs in the second half. He has enough bat speed to pull a fastball but needs to focus on taking offspeed pitches the other way and improving his bunting skills to better utilize his speed.
14. Edward Salcedo, 3b, Lynchburg (Braves)
Age: 20 B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 195 Signed: Dominican Republic ‘10
Salcedo has tremendous raw power that should only increase as he gets stronger. However, he’s overly aggressive at the plate, swinging for the fences on every pitch, and struggles to recognize offspeed offerings. He has been equally tantalizing and frustrating in the field.
Salcedo has the arm strength and hands to stick at third base, but his lack of focus and poor footwork led to him committing a league-high 42 errors at third base. While he runs well for his size and did top CL third basemen in putouts (79) and assists (265), a move to the outfield could be in his future. Lynchburg manager Luis Salazar believes more playing time and improved concentration is what Salcedo needs most.
“A couple of years from now, he will be a very solid player,” Salazar said. “He needs to slow down a little bit and play under control. When he does that, he is a hell of a third baseman.”
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
4:46 pm
I believe Wren’s 1st order of business should be getting David Ross and Reed Johnson signed quickly. With concerns with McCann we gotta keep Ross, and having holes at both CF and LF securing a really good 4th OFer early is important.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:50 pm
Not Jaypers (Wisconsin): Josh, who were the biggest suprises and disappointments from evaluators and managers in putting this list together?
Josh Leventhal: Managers really loved J.R. Graham and were impressed by his polish as a pitcher. Carlos Sanchez’s ability to seemingly play anywhere on the infield also impressed. I think some folks expected a better second full season out of Brandon Jacobs, who still seems pretty raw at the plate and in the outfield. There was talk about a lack of focus from Edward Salcedo.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:52 pm
Sammy (Miami): Was Cody Martin given consideration? Why or why not?
Josh Leventhal: He was definitely given consideration, but the uncertainty over his future role was the difference. A good fastball-slider combination. His fastball isn’t overpowering but it has good movement and he commands it well, and his slider has potential to be above-average.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
4:52 pm
In offseason trades this offseason, Graham, Gilmartin, Teheran, Terdoslavich, Lipka, and possibly LaStella are my untouchables on the farm system.
Agree Va. I really hope that Mac will be okay. If we have to use Ross and Boscan for 2 months, oh my. Doubt they’d target another catcher unless Mac will miss most of the season.
Braveheart
October 7th, 2012
4:53 pm
Seems like they feel leadoff is really important.
I love speedy little leadoff hitters, but the reality is that over the last 13 seasons, Braves leadoff hitters have OPS’d over .750 six times. In those six seasons, they average 116 runs scored with an average OPS around .780. In the seven seasons, they did not OPS .750 at the leadoff spot, they averaged 101 runs and averaged an OPS around .710. Every 10 points of OPS is typically seen to be worth somewhere from 2 to 2.5 runs. So it’s not really a surprising finding. As much as I prefer the exciting little speedster because they are fun, I think I would be just looking for the best available hitters rather than stereotypes.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:53 pm
Dave (Atlanta): Lynchburg’s Juan Jaime was old for the Carolina League, but he had a solid season after missing two full years. He supposedly hit 100 and 101 several times this season. Is he all fastball or does he have any other pitches?
Josh Leventhal: It was a good bounce back season for Jaime after missing two years following Tommy John surgery. He was consistently in the 97-98 mph range, and hit 101 on the radar gun. His changeup has a chance but the breaking ball is pretty fringy.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:54 pm
Vern (Corpus Christi): Matt Lipka, is he healthy now? What kind of future does he have?
Josh Leventhal: He improved defensively in center field as the season went on. At the plate, he was described as giving pitchers too much credit and needs to be more aggressive. Still working on improving small-ball approach and do a better job with bunting to take better advantage of his speed.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
4:55 pm
They need to figure out McCann ASAP. If he needs the surgery do it right now. Can’t pay a player 12 million if you think he’s gonna miss a good amount of time during the season.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
4:57 pm
Tom (Atlanta): Tommy La Stella put up some pretty good numbers this year, what did the managers think of him?
Josh Leventhal: Described as a good, lefthanded-hitting utility player at the big league level. He hits both lefthanded and righthanded pitching well. Does the little things well offensively—can hit behind the runners, bunt. He’s improved but still a little lacking defensively. He got better at turning double-plays but struggles with groundballs to his backhand.
I wouldn’t call La Stella untouchable….
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
5:00 pm
As much as I prefer the exciting little speedster because they are fun, I think I would be just looking for the best available hitters rather than stereotypes.
I agree. Not sure if Wren does though. They might think that getting a player like Victorino or Pagan is as good as we can do to replace Bourn and make the offense better. Who knows. Just seems like he isn;t going to go after pitching, and I think that’s not a good idea.
George_George
October 7th, 2012
5:05 pm
Nowhere Man
October 7th, 2012
3:11 pm
I can’t believe it, but I AGREE with most of what you said.
Braveheart
October 7th, 2012
5:11 pm
Yeah, I don’t think Wren does either. What’s scary is that if you lose Bourn and if Prado moves back to the infield, that’s almost the same as losing an ace pitcher because of the runs they saved this year defensively in the outfield. About 40 or so runs above average. A pitcher that is 40 runs above average is a 6 WAR top of the rotation starter. Hopefully, Prado could be somewhat comparable defensively at third as he was in left in terms of runs saved. We’ll see.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:14 pm
Only way I really agree with adding a top tier starter is if we trade away some of our other options.
Tim Hudson, Kris Medlen, Paul Maholm, Mike Minor, Tommy Hanson, Randell Delgado, Julio Teheran, Brandon Beachy, and Sean Gilmartin all are under team control and figure to be able to contribute at some point.
Past few years we’ve deemed a handful of them untouchable and so on. Its time to show us why. So if they plan on paying for Zack Grienke or trading for James Shields or gambling on Dan Haren we gotta trade some of these other options if they can bring good value back.
We have to replace Chipper and Bourn in the lineup and we have no idea what to expect from Uggla or McCann. So to me offense is a huge concern. While starting pitching seems to have enough depth to put together a good rotation with some depth behind it. It’s time to either use these untouchable arms or lose them.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
5:16 pm
I think he can be, BH. Really hard to find a 3B nowadays. But the Braves have been looking for LF power for a decade it seems, so who knows.
Still can’t believe the season is over. Doesn’t feel like we won 94 games and were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.
Choppinmama
October 7th, 2012
5:20 pm
This is how the umpire saw it:
http://www.facebook.com/TheMLBMemes#!/photo.php?fbid=289636347803902&set=a.212223438878527.33964.212208148880056&type=1&theater
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:21 pm
We won 94 games with a pathetic McCann and Uggla, we would have easily won over 100 games if they played near there norms.
Choppinmama
October 7th, 2012
5:23 pm
Well……….scroll down to the “Turner Field renovations – Seems Legit” one
It’s worth the trouble.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:27 pm
Uggla and McCann combined
24.5 million
224 AVG 43 Doubles 39 HR 145 RBI 224 Strikeouts
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:30 pm
Over 25% of our payroll produced just that…
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
5:36 pm
The Denver Post’s Troy Renck reports Rockies manager Jim Tracy has resigned.
What a disaster of a team, but they at least made the wise decision of getting rid of the worst manager in baseball.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
5:40 pm
The Cardinals aren’t honestly going to win the World Series for a 3rd time in 7 seasons when they probably didn’t deserve to make the postseason in any of those three seasons – winning 83, 90, and 88 in those three seasons. Just awful. The opposite of the Braves.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
5:41 pm
Fair shot at having three Gold Glove outfielders in the same outfield. Bill James site hat the three of them ranked first or second at their positions
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:42 pm
Almost think the Rockies would trade away some players this offseason.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
5:44 pm
You have to give them credit for making the most of their opportunities, which the Braves seldom seem able to do.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
5:45 pm
Fowler would be a decent pickup, depending on how much they want for him.
BTW, twitter friends are saying that Werth just robbed a HR. Should have been Heyward making that play.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
5:46 pm
Who wants Rockies hitters? The all stink away from Coors.
The only one I’d want would be Tulo and they are not going to trade him, and it looks like we have chance at a good future at short as it is.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
5:47 pm
Fowler hits .700 away from Coors. I’m not all that interested in him
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
5:51 pm
I’d trade everyone but CarGo and Tulo if I were the Rocks. Sell high on Fowler and get rid of Cuddyer, who I think is slightly overpaid.
My guess is they will still go for it, and I guess I can’t blame them too much in that division. SS, LF, C, CF, RF is pretty well set there. They have absolutely no starting pitching and that’s a huge issue for them.
Braveheart
October 7th, 2012
6:01 pm
Crazy that, according to fangraphs, Heyward was the best baserunner (BSR) and best fielder (UZR) in the majors this year. Will be funny 10 years from now when he is a lumbering slugger to remember how athletic he was in his youth.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
6:06 pm
Hamilton, Bourn, Upton, Swisher, Victorino, Pagan, Youkilis(3B) are the free agent options. I don’t see us filling both needs through free agency, so I expect a trade to be made. And with the abundance in starting pitching, I think one of the younger pitchers will be traded along with Hanson.
I think we need a high leverage RH reliever, so maybe Hanson could be used for that.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
6:09 pm
If you trade Hanson this winter, it is from a point of pretty low value
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:09 pm
No to 6, and not sold on Pagan. He’s 31, would rather go younger.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
6:10 pm
Crazy that, according to fangraphs, Heyward was the best baserunner (BSR) and best fielder (UZR) in the majors this year.
Just needs to be better vs. LHP and more consistent overall. The approach needs to get better. I’m sure it will.
Braveheart
October 7th, 2012
6:13 pm
Whatever the speculation is will probably be wrong. They always end up signing and trading for people we don’t expect.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:13 pm
Either you “trade” Hanson or he’s in the rotation or is a long reliever making 3.5mil next year.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
6:13 pm
I think they could do worse than Pagan, depending on money/time of course. at least he has shown that he can hit ok in pitchers parks for the most part
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
6:14 pm
If you trade Hanson this winter, it is from a point of pretty low value
If the Braves believe he can strengthen the shoulder and increase velocity plus sharpening command/control, then that’s something I have no clue about. But by the look of it, you’re better off trading him for prospects/players and using the 3 million elsewhere.
He’s the 5th starter, and we have options who could probably pitch around 4.5 with 5 IP per start that make less.
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
6:14 pm
well we know you have a bit of a bias there TOBF
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:15 pm
Greinke, Haren, McCarthy… and we won’t get 1 of them. Sigh. Hope the rotation is great next year. 4 young guys and a 38 yr old.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:18 pm
3 young guys and a 38 yr old… Maholm is a #4. Beachy (another young guy) comes back in Aug.
Why do I keep forgetting about Paul?
Half Empty
October 7th, 2012
6:27 pm
all that thinking about Greinke doesn’t leave room for anything else perhaps?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:29 pm
Nah, I’ve given up that dream, though it has hurt. Frank went from wanting to trade for and possible sign him this offseason to spending solely on offense. What’s worse is that I only really like the Rangers in the AL (because of Darvish), and Greinke probably won’t go there. It’s a lose-lose for me
Couch Tater
October 7th, 2012
6:45 pm
the wise decision of getting rid of the worst manager in baseball.
Not arguing, because I don’t know that much about him, but he’s got the best winning % (.488) of any Rockies Mgr. which includes Leyland and Baylor.
They have absolutely no starting pitching and that’s a huge issue for them
May be the reason no manager can be successful in Colorado. It drives the best of them nuts…
____
“It was almost impossible to manage a pitching staff when I was there,” Leyland said. “A guy could pitch a good game and give up seven runs. … It was frustrating for me. I’m a 4-3, 5-3, 3-2 manager. It’s just different. But I did a lousy job. That’s just the way it was.” – 6/16/11, MLB
Fredo
October 7th, 2012
6:48 pm
great job Nats!
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
6:49 pm
Not arguing, because I don’t know that much about him, but he’s got the best winning % (.488) of any Rockies Mgr. which includes Leyland and Baylor.
I don’t think Leyland is that good either…..
But seriously, mind boggling sacrifice bunts and intentional walks. Bad bullpen management. Not a fan of Tracy. Never have been.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
6:52 pm
Thanks Nats… giving the Cards what they deserve. Apparently, Tyler Moore had a pinch “infield” single to drive in 2 runs.
Couch Tater
October 7th, 2012
6:57 pm
Efrim – Who has “good bullpen management” with a bad pitching staff?
chipontheroad
October 7th, 2012
6:59 pm
LOL TOBF
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:03 pm
Efrim – Who has “good bullpen management” with a bad pitching staff?
They weren’t this bad in 2010 and 2011. Not like this. Tracy has never been a good manager of the bullpen and has always made terrible decisions like sac bunting early in games and intentionally putting runners on base.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:05 pm
O’Dowd is a big reason for the lack of pitching talent. Two fluky postseason runs in 2007 and 2009. That’s the Rockies.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
7:11 pm
Efrim
Do you think EOF is here to stay? He’s due for a nice raise and should be around a 4 million salary in 2013. Hell we roughly spent about 6 million total on our whole bullpen in 2012.
Couch Tater
October 7th, 2012
7:15 pm
Actually, I wasn’t referring to just Tracy. And, if you don’t like Leyland, you’re ob [cough] viously not [cough cough] a smok [aahackaacough] er. Got a light?
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:17 pm
Still wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him, Va. It’s a lot of money to pay a set up man, and that has never been a big thing for them.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:20 pm
I love Leyland as a person, actually. Love the way he handles the media. Maybe just not the thought process sometimes. I’m glad the Tigers are doing well though, and I’m rooting for Tigers/Reds World Series.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
7:22 pm
Efrim
D-Backs are looking for a LH reliever, maybe the could be a match. Maybe part of a package for Justin Upton for LF? Do you like Upton going forward?
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:22 pm
The San Francisco 49ers have run for 311 yards vs. the Bills today. So much for that great defensive line of the Bills(Marion Williams, Mark Anderson, Kyle Williams and Marcel Dareus).
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2012
7:25 pm
The San Francisco 49ers have run for 311 yards vs. the Bills today.
And they passed for 310. That, ladies and gentlemen and various other life forms, is what you call a balanced offense
JC Brave
October 7th, 2012
7:26 pm
Thanks Nats… giving the Cards what they deserve. Apparently, Tyler Moore had a pinch “infield” single to drive in 2 runs.
It was a line drive to RF.
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
7:30 pm
Looked like a Infield fly rule to me
VaBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
7:34 pm
Whenever 2 runners are on base with less than 2 outs anything hit into the air is a automatic out. Nevermind thats only for our Braves!
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:39 pm
That was not a line drive to RF off of Moore’s bat. Complete bloop single.
DS1
October 7th, 2012
7:42 pm
Possible CF candidate. Has 1 year left on his contract. An average hitter at best. Very good defensively. Nickname is “Death to Flying Things”
Franklin Gutierrez of the Mariners.
Coming off two straight seasons of some major injuries. Finished the year at 260/309/420. And he is right handed. 7 million dollar salary for 2013 with a 7.5 million dollar option for 2014.
Might be had for a mid level prospect (at that salary level).
2012 numbers were for 40 games and shows as better than his career averages.
Whaddya think Frank?
DS1
October 7th, 2012
7:47 pm
Josh Willingham had a very good year in 2012, as most are aware. Was it a career year, or is this the norm now? If the Twinkies are thinking the same way, they will be trying to sell high. If they think he can duplicate this sort of performance, they’d be smart to keep him at 7 million per year for 2 more years.
We shoulda pushed harder for this guy or Cody Ross last year.
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
7:51 pm
Not a bad option, Wayne. But that LF is going to have to be one heck of a hitter and we’ll need a good 4th outfielder because of Franklin’s injury history.
DS1
October 7th, 2012
7:53 pm
cab
Looks like our Niners did well this afternoon. I had a good day yesterday watching Clemson and South Carolina whup up on some Georgia boys!
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2012
7:56 pm
DS1-
300 yard passer, Two 100 yard receivers, 100 yard rusher. 621 yards of total offense. gave up 204 yards on D and 3 points. Yeah. That’s a good day
(also, Buffalo is AWFUL)
DS1
October 7th, 2012
8:01 pm
Efrim
I agree. It’s really all a crap shoot when you’re trying to figure out who’s going to be healthy and who’s not. Who would have thought that Beltran would have stayed so healthy this year?
I also would not be surprised to see FW make a big play for Justin Upton this winter.
DS1
October 7th, 2012
8:04 pm
So Atlanta and Houston are the only undefeated teams left in the NFL??? That’s kinda surprising.
(agreed cab on the Bills being terrible, but you gotta beat up on the weak teams!)
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2012
8:06 pm
DS1-
Oh, of course. If the Niners can keep the O rolling (back to back wins of 30+ points) and the D stays the D, I’m confident. Good match up next week with VJ’s boys at the Stick
DS1
October 7th, 2012
8:10 pm
Somebody’s going to be disappointed down your way, huh!
Well, VJ is tough. He can handle a little disappointment I’m guessing!
Glad to hear that the Nats beat the Cards today. I was kinda hoping that the “Swinging A’s” would put it to the Tigers, but I guess a northern CA series was too much to ask for.
Gonna head out for the night. Watching a movie with #3 son.
Later Braves fans!
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2012
8:11 pm
Hey, VJ’s guys beat my guys in the NFC TITLE GAME last year! He can’t have them all!
Night!
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
October 7th, 2012
8:25 pm
Those twinkies (Twins) are hard up for pitching of any ilk. They have made it well know they are shopping anybody and everybody not named Joe Mauer.
Brave New World
October 7th, 2012
8:29 pm
Now that the Braves are out, I want the Nats over the Cards. But, the truth is, the playoffs will be fun to watch and not nerve-racking without my Braves. Let’s get ‘em in 2013. GO BRAVES!
George_George
October 7th, 2012
8:31 pm
I am calling the comimissioners office tomorrow. It won’t change a thing , but I will feel better to let them know BRAVES were ripped off by both the umpires Friday and the stupit single game format.
Coach (2012 Fredi's Beisbol Fandango)
October 7th, 2012
8:37 pm
I’ve totally tuned out baseball at the moment, can’t stomach any of it after Friday night’s debacle.
Trey
October 7th, 2012
8:37 pm
You do that, George!!!!!!!!!!!
cabravesfan
October 7th, 2012
8:42 pm
San Francisco 49ers @49ers
Today, the #49ers became the 1st team in NFL history to post 300-or-more yards rushing (311) and passing (310) in the same game. #NFLHistory
Efrim
October 7th, 2012
9:05 pm
San Francisco 49ers @49ers
Today, the #49ers became the 1st team in NFL history to post 300-or-more yards rushing (311) and passing (310) in the same game. #NFLHistory
The move of Alex Boone to RG and the progression of Iupati and Davis has made it one of the better offensive lines in the league, and probably the best run blocking offensive line in the league.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 7th, 2012
9:08 pm
D-Backs are looking for a LH reliever, maybe the could be a match.
Cards need one too… might be able to pry Jay away, though he isn’t a top defender.