8:39 pm October 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 5th, 201210:10 pm
If Fredi and Frank aren’t fired attendance will be way down next year. Upper management needs to show the fans they are serious about making changes.
Braves Fans Suck
Some cities deserves championships. Some others do not. After tonight’s display at Turner Field you do the math.
I would love to challenge you to a cage match Joe Wiz. St. Louis is a toilet bowl.
Joe Torre and anybody who agrees with him needs to go…………
October 5th, 201210:11 pm
Arttie’s Insight: I have been a Braves fan for more years than I can count, since 2005. There are 5 reasons we lost but still love the Braves: 1) We love to say nah na nah na to get the rally going, 2) we love the never quit attitude that says, “yes we quit…no we don’t!” 3) we are losing to win like all good teams do instead of winning to lose long term, 4) Braves have always been a winning organization and only have top management. I like our chances next year and can’t wait for first pitch. More later. Arttie.
Chipper is a first ballot HOFer, but it was his error that opened up the floodgates and cost the Braves 3 runs and momentum. Coupled with the awful play (both in the field and at bat) by the rookie SS, and you have to face facts–the Braves players, not the umps, lost this game. I’m amused by all the people who keep ripping on the city of Atlanta as some kind of dump though. Atlanta’s downtown is a small part of the city. Plus, I’ve been to St. Louis and no one will confuse it with Paris. One thing St. Louis does have, I will grant them, are sports winners. The Cardinals have more championships than any team save the Yankees (and the best fans in baseball), and the Rams have won 1 more SB than the Falcons, and even when the Hawks were in St. Louis they won more championships. The ATL continues to break our hearts.
The two turning points were the bungling by Jones of the double play ball and the stupid base running by Simmons. Braves choke again.
You stink Torre,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
October 5th, 201210:13 pm
GO CARDINALS!!!!!! 12 in 12!!! thats all i got to say
MLB IS A JOKE. Worst product in professional sports.
Joe Simpson should be fired after his comments. Yes things got out of hand, just a little, and FOR GOOD REASON. It’s not like we are bringing in batteries to throw in a pre-meditated fashion. Bad call that could of cost us the game. Weshould be done with the gentleman way which Mr Simpson thinks is best, where has the got us?
JOE must GO!!!!
Wa Wa Wa
Braves lost because their fans are losers.
Trashing the field would never happen in St Louis.
Braves deserve to lose because of their fans.
Umps gave chip a pass on his last at bat, he was out.
Always a bridesmaid boys….can never seem to get over the hump. This team has no one to blame – including the poor umpiring by a veteran crew – than themselves. Especially Chipper! Waste of a game for him, why come to the park looking exhausted and then playing so poorly?
3 errors did us in, along with a rookie running mistake down the first base line. You can’t make these kinds of errors and win playoff games.
“Sign Greinke and BJ Upton and trade for Justin Upton”
BJ plays Center, where are you putting Bourn? Justin plays right, where are you putting Heyward? Who is replacing Uggla? Ross as the starter and JC Boscan is now the backup?
larry dothan al
sure it was a bad call that not what got us beat.no cluth hitters and errors what got the braves beat,Uggla need to move on.Braves will not win next year with this lineup.
We didn’t play particularly well but it’s hard not to feel cheated on the horrible call. I normally don’t condone fans being unruly, but in this case, I really don’t mind. You knew MLB wouldn’t have the balls to do the right thing. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they told the umpires to do what they could to help the Cardinals win. Not much you can do now but I do think Holbrook should be investigated. That’s the type of BS call you only think about making when you’re actively trying to help a team win. If MLB doesn’t investigate, it’s only because they’re in on it too.
October 5th, 201210:14 pm
After losing five of six games against the Braves during the regular season, the Cardinals won Friday when it mattered most. DOB
what’s new for us……
Let’s talk about the Mets and Phillies in the wild card game. That’s right, neither team made it.
October 5th, 201210:15 pm
David quick quesion tell Molina to shut his pie hole.
I used to like you Joe but ight now I can’t stand you. I woulld love to see you take a lie detector test Fake
To everyone that is griping about the fans that threw stuff on the field
@joeWiz…PUH-LEEZE, your old 80’s rant about fan attendance does no good here…please go back to Spitts-burgh or Mill-wahkee or wherever in the deep northern midwest you come from…
Uggla tripped in the shower and broke his collarbone.
Can you imagine if that call was made in NY or Boston???? Oh geez. Unfortunately more than a bad call ended the Braves season – three errors put ‘em in the hole, and the bad call, and leaving baserunners stranded sealed it. BUT – Great season (just remember, could be the Cubs or Astros who had 100 loses). Not sure what the point of instant replay would be in MLB if they don’t use it to correct bad calls. Joe Torre, bad call on you too.
@ryan’s dad. I’m just tired of people making excuses saying the ball was too deep, or they couldnt turn a double play. The fact is he was under the ball calling for it. After watching the replay on dvr its clear the umpire makes the call as soon as the ss calls for the ball and appears underneath the ball. Questionable call, yes but not a totally blown call. Clearly a catchable ball that directly follows the rule of the infield fly.
Sid Bream's Leg
St. Louis didn’t beat the Braves, the MLB did. Blind and stupid Bud Selig and his umps. Bud still doesn’t think we need replay in baseball. I love baseball and have all of my 47 yrs, but times are a changing. Replay should be an umps new best friend and embraced. It’s not 1867 anymore and the modern game needs modern technology.
October 5th, 201210:16 pm
now they are laughing at chipper’s lack of speed. most people are slower when they trot…and he was out.
Call was correct. The lateness of the call allowed Braves to move up runners. You can cry all you want to but it was a routine ball in the first place. Maybe traveled 150 feet high and 150 feet deep. Not what I call a BIG HIT THERE. Get over it. You made errors. Start looking at yourself. You should have started a veteran pitcher. See you next year.
Big Crimson 75
October 5th, 201210:17 pm
Latest/Slowest In-Field Fly Rule call ever.
October 5th, 201210:18 pm
MLB is without a doubt the worst. Stein and Goodell are laughing their asses off and their retarded little step brother, Selig, while they take all his lunch money.
All of America is having a hearty laugh over how the Braves got SCALPED by one umpire tonight!!! Wooo-oooaaaa-oooooo,! Whooo-aaa-hhhh, oooo-oooo!!! ROLFLMFAO!
October 5th, 201210:19 pm
A few comments from the game.
1) Terrible defense played put the Braves in a bad position to win.
2) Despite the bad defense, the could and should be still playing according to this part of the rule: “When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners.” This was in no way, shape, or form called immediately.
3) It’s sad to me to remember Chipper’s last at bat, although ending in a base hit, watching him loafing down the line. I love him, but don’t you want to be remembered for giving it all you’ve got your last at bat?
4) I won’t sleep tonight…sick to my stomach…
old braves fan
Per ESPN the ball hit the ground 220 feet from home plate. Nothing routine and the play.
October 5th, 201210:20 pm
Trashing the field would never happen in St. Louis, but your star home run hitter crammed enough steroids up his ar&$ to choke a donkey. Whitey Herzog threw a cooler in the World Series over balls and strikes. You are a joke, Loser (masquerading as Winner).
It was a bad call and changed the complexion of the game.
Try that again….
Fire Joe Simpson!!
Nothing beats the infield fly rule being called on a fly ball to left field! Bwahahahahahahah! Sucks for you, Braves fans.
October 5th, 201210:21 pm
I’m embarrassed by this Big Mac I just got in the Drive In at McDonalds.
Really Atl? I agree, terrible call. And while they COULD have had a chance, this wasn’t a wrong home run call or a one run game. They were gonna lose anyway. Still had an out left (and the 9th) and did nothing with it. The throwing crap on Chippers last night was a disgrace
IF THEY DIDN'T CALL IT ???
Here is the standard as to WHY it is a bad call. Had they NOT called the infield-fly-rule and the ball dropped as it did, would there have been anyone saying “Hey why didn’t they call it?” The answer is NO, it would not have been questioned AT ALL. BAD CALL PERIOD. Umps weak at best.
It could be argued the fans lost the game.for the club. The Braves had momentum but the “Bubbaball mentality” of their “fans” caused a 20 minute delay in what was likely an inevitable victory. It was heartwarming to see that those fans were willing to part with their beers for what they felt was close to their hearts. For the “love of the game”
See you in 2013!
I have never in 62 years seen a call so bad and upheld by so called experts. I’m through with sports………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
Why are there foul line umps in the playoffs. There have been a number of occasions where they either got the call wrong or got in the way
Jeffrey Maier game Balt vs Yankees
Dye trie3s to run around a foul line ump and lets Jeter’s foul fly fall. Jerter singles on next pitch to begin Yankiee comeback from 6-0 down in the Leyritz game
A ball that clearly landed fair by Joe Mauer is called foul by the ump
A homerun down the line in an AL plauoff game cannot be called by the foul line ump
Foul linje ump gets in way of fieolder in game at ATT Park (or POAC Bell?)
Holbrook makes a bad infield fly rule call he had no business to make.
The foul line umps cause more problems than they solve. How many plays during a decade does one see where the usual 4 umps get a fqair-foul call wrong down the line? GET RID OF FOUL LINE UMPS IN THE PLAYOFFS.
That protest should have been adjudicated right there during the 19-min. delay for a playoff game. Was it and if so why not let the TV announcers report it?
if it had been a routine fly ball someone would have been within five feet of where it landed
October 5th, 201210:22 pm
Mr. Dumas- why can’t the Braves ever win a big game???? WHY oh WHY oh WHY??????
October 5th, 201210:23 pm
As much as I hate what happened tonight at least we aren’t the Cubs.
Fredo where you putting Bourn were kicking his ass to the curb.Wainwright said they were going to wait to celebrate till after they beat Braves he knew they were going to beat us thats why we did after we won wildcard we knew we would not get another chance this year.
October 5th, 201210:24 pm
The throwing of garbage onto the field WAS an embarassment, and Joe Simpson was saying it straight. A bunch of drunk morons with infantile mentality. This is Atlanta, not Cleveland.
That said, the call and Joe Torre’s ruling was pure bull pucky. Yes, Atlanta deserved to lose, and there’s no guarantee that they would have scored and more than one in that inning had the bases been loaded (McCann’s walk would have plated a fourth run before Prado struck out).
Memo to John Shuerholtz: FIRE THAT PIECE OF CRAP JOE SIMPSON BEFORE NEXT SEASON.
The Cardinals did not WIN that game, the Braves LOST he game.
Was ont a bad call that beat the braves, again, it was the Cardinals, just like last year at this time.
One game, may the best team win, and they did!!!
Whine all you want, was not the call, it was a good call, and a good result,
except for the classless atlanta fans.
really show what atlanta is all about.
can’t take it on the chin, blame it on a “bad” call, blame it on your team and yourselves for not
having a backbone.
Is that what you teach your children, when things don’t go your way, be rude and ignorant?
You deserve to lose, if not for your team’s bad play, then for your fan’s bad sportsmanship!!!
Fredi has to get thrown out of the game in that situation. His lifeless protest there guarantees his firing this off season.
October 5th, 201210:25 pm
Why was Simmons bunting with the pitcher coming up anyway?!?!?!??
My son sure does spend a lot of time in the bathroom
October 5th, 201210:26 pm
Fredi has to get thrown out for arguing. There’s no way any manager that’s worth his salt stays in the game after that call. Jesus would get thrown out for arguing that call, but not Fredi. Wonder if he really cared that much.
Someone should check that ump’s bank account. There’s too much money riding on sports and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d been paid to make a bad call. It’s too obviously wrong. Something smells really bad here. MLB should be ashamed and immediately institute a recall system, including for calls like this. Tradition means nothing if one ump can change the outcome of a game.
The umps can’t get it right. Joe Simpson can’t get it up… I guess that’s why he sympathizes with them…. Traitor! Maybe the Dodgers will take him back.
since day one
October 5th, 201210:27 pm
As my last moment after 50 years of an MLB fan……………………
“Skip, could you explain the in field fly rule?”
Should I be worried that my son likes to wear women’s clothing?
Freddi should have been ejected. The umps didn’t eject him because they knew they screwed up on the play.
Joe Simpson wasted 20 plus years,of credit with Braves fans in one five minute controversy. Sorry Joe. Good bye.
Tip O' the Cap
October 5th, 201210:28 pm
Ouch. Just ouch. Ashamed by the umps, chumper, and even the fans! Wow. Just a piss-poor game all around. Time for some serious bourbon and a few days off. Take care, everybody!
If you had read the revision in O’Brien’s blog report plus the comments made immediately after the official presser after the game, then you would have realized that the protest was officially ajudicated during that delay and that was the phone call taken by Jeff Kellogg in the Braves’ dugout.
Joe Torre, who as the MLB Vice President for Baseball Operations, has the duty to make ajudication on protests, decided to disallow the protest and called the Braves’ dugout during that extended delay and inform Fredi Gonzalez of his decision.
Jeff Kellogg took the call notifying him of that disallowance of the protest, and then hung up and told Cardinals’ manager Mike Metheny of the final decision. This is why the Cardinals immediately opened up the champagne after winning the game — they already knew the Torre decision.
And as I reported earlier in this blog commentary section, during the MLB press conference after the game, Torre stepped away from the table and took a call from Frank Wren. Wren notified Torre that the Braves were withdrawing the protest anyway.
October 5th, 201210:29 pm
IF THAT IF THIS IF CHIPPER HAD NOT MADE THE ERROR MAYBE THEY HAD A CHANGE TO WIN GAME . GO TO SLEEP AND HAVE A BETTER YEAR 2013
You know the people that have always criticized Chipper for his mistakes in life should feel that karma caught him a bad way. I don’t just sayin
stupid is as stupid does…
Biggest myths of TV:
Reality TV is truly real
MLB umps aren’t on the take
MLB umps have no influence on the outcomes of games.
I don’t know where this call stands in the three worst calls in the history of baseball: 1) Jim Joyce’s call 2) Jeffrey Maier or 3)the infield fly call. The three worst calls in the history of baseball.
October 5th, 201210:30 pm
The infield fly rule was created to PROTECT the team on offense, in order to prevent the defense from being sneaky and turning a double. But instead of helping the team on offense in this case, it was used to screw them over.
It’d be like calling back a touchdown pass in the NFL because the defense committed pass interference. It makes no sense.
MLB screwed the pooch. They got so consumed by their own hubris, that they defended the letter of the rule without realizing how grossly they perverted the spirit and intent of it.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ON TODAY
agree with derwood
October 5th, 201210:31 pm
Was not the umps that lost the game. it was the braves, just as last year.
tell yourselves that all winter looooong
The worst call I have ever seen in following baseball for the last 35 years.
I don’t blame anyone in attendance for throwing things on the field. When an atrocious call like that happens, what do they expect? Don’t forget who pays your salary.
Face it, folks. This organization just cannot produce when it matters. Sorry to see Chipper go, but he disappeared every October just like the rest of the lineups on those teams. His level of play today was pitiful. Frankly, he looked a lot like Obama the other night: rather disinterested. Uggla canot be a Brave next year. But, in the end, folks like Dave O’Brien dimply waste their time reporting on and concerning themselves with things like off-season moves and acquisitons with this team. Cuz’ at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. They will win 90 games next year and continue the decdes long routine of being great enough to be good, but not good enough to be great, and will be quickly eilimnated from any postsason they are fortunate enough to make. So, whats the point??? This is why you shouldn’t give a f_ _ ck about the Atlanta Braves.
SICK SICK CRY ALNIGHT
Boo Hoo. Now you can add another chapter to Team Lore. Plenty of teams get the shaft – Orioles with that punk reaching into the field of play in the 96 playoffs, among many, many others. Just. Hit. Better. See?? Easy Button. Ya’ll were last in the league in batting with RISP. Fix tht before you cry a river…
@Big Crimson – Beachy may get a hald-dozen starts next year. And, if Wren lies and says he has a “plan” like he claims he had for Medlen, he might get 140 innings in 2014. Not the makings of a dominant staff for NEXT year, eh?
October 5th, 201210:32 pm
“………..Wren notified Torre that the Braves were withdrawing the protest anyway.”
Fire friggin Wren
Joe Simpson was right in saying the situation was an embarrassment. It was, and the fans should not have thrown objects onto the field. Joe Simpson is paid very well to do what he does and he’s a good man. It angers me to see people posting on a blog taking personal shots at him.
I understand what the fans did. But, if I had been at the game, despite being upset by the call, I would not have thrown anything on the field. Those who did are exposed to criminal arrest and prosecution. So, for those saying the fans were right, that ought to close the discussion.
Carrying out a criminal act is NEVER the right thing to do!
A bad call, but nowhere near the call the Packers got shafted with two weeks ago.
We need Robert Fick back.
braves fans =whiners
just like last year
Cards won, braves lost
long winter, huh
whine yourselves to sleep
October 5th, 201210:33 pm
“now they are laughing at chipper’s lack of speed. most people are slower when they trot…and he was out.”
Not that it matters, but, yes, the replay shows he was out.
Projected lineup for 2013?
Mark in mid-town
I think the infield-fly rule should be changed as follows. Still call the infield fly under the same criteria — however don’t make it an automatic out. Change the rule so that only one force out is allowed if the ball is not caught, but that force out would still have to be successfully executed. That would take away any incentive for an infielder to let the ball drop on purpose so as to get an easy double play. And in a situation such as tonight, calling the infield fly on that play would not have bailed St. Louis out as they did not have the ability to execute even one force out. That way, there is no consequence if the umpire mistakenly calls an infield fly such as tonight. In other words, the infield fly would protect the team at bat from the infielder deliberately allowing a pop-up to drop; however it would not reward the defensive team if they managed to botch catching a pop-up.
if MLB was not so GREEDY to have a one game wild card playoff, then this game would not have been as important as it was.
The IFRule states the umpire must “immediately” invoke the infield fly rule. That certainly did not happen. Torre said you cannot question a judgement call, but this was not a judgement call – it was an extremely LATE call, and should have been overturned. Yes, the Braves played sloppy defense; and yes some of the fans behaved like goons throwing cans and bottles on the field. But the umpires allowed their icompetence to unduly influence the outcome of the game. Surely Major League Baseball did not want to see the game completed on Saturday.
October 5th, 201210:34 pm
Winner – Stop being a weiner.
October 5th, 201210:35 pm
The horrible call aside The Braves gave this game away with their play in the field. They turn an easy double play in the 4th the score is still 2-0. Not a single ball hit out of the infield in the 7th, but 2 errors a botched play at 1B and 2 more runs. Only 2 earned runs for the Cards (but only 1 without the Chipper error and a DP.) Some moron on page 1 was blaming Fredi for starting Medlen, but the pitching was outstanding — 6 hits and no walks 1 HBP to that lineup. Only 1 truely merited run.
If Fredi called for a safety squeez in the Braves’ 4th, then that call needs to be questioned with Freeman on third and the pitcher on deck.
It was not the umps call that lost the game.
It was the Cardinals who won thegame, just like last year,
get over it
October 5th, 201210:36 pm
If I had been at the game it would have been hard not to throw something on the field. Here at home I didn’t throw anything, but I did scare the cat with all my yelling.
Glad I turned it off after the fifth inning. The Braves were not playing well, and then the refs apparently started to make stuff up….this is why baseball has died, and football is a better product, even though I love the Atlanta Braves. I can read the aftermath, but the product is just not watchable.
Lexster the Dexster
Hopefully they do not put a playoff pennant on the outfield wall for this one and out debacle!
October 5th, 201210:37 pm
I’m so disappointed in Chipper’s last AB…my last memory of him is of him not busting his butt down the line when it could’ve potentially been the last out in a playoff game…I know he got a hit, but show some heart and hustle!
Betrayed by Joe Torre? WTH?
Imagine if this had been a 7 or 8 o’clock game? Then everybody would have been a bit more toasty and chaos would have been imminent.
I am proud of our fans showing up – regardless of a bad time that was only given out with two days notice. MLB is the one who screwed us here, bad starting time, bad umpires, bad decisions, stupid one game play-in game rendering every series win this year meaningless. It all makes me sick.
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