8:39 pm October 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 6th, 20129:54 am
@Ben – Stop blaming the loss on the bad call. You can play that card all day long. If the Braves had not have given up 4 unearned runs, the call wouldn’t have mattered. The errors, particularly the one by Chipper, is what cost them the game.
October 6th, 20129:57 am
Frank Wren has no business apologizing for the behavior of the Atlanta fans. They were perfectly justified in showing their outrage. Every other city would have responded the same way!!
October 6th, 20129:59 am
Try to justify it any way you want. Buster Olney reports that this ball was 50 feet further out than ANY OTHER INFIELD FLY RULE ball that dropped in the last 6 years. That’s making up the rules as you go.
October 6th, 201210:06 am
“classless team followed by classless fans” Really? Are you kidding me? If this call happened to the red sox in this situation, the entire city would be in flames right now. I stand behind every fan that threw litter, it was deserved.
I just wish someone had thrown a baseball at the retarded umpire and knocked him unconscious.
October 6th, 201210:07 am
Is it the umps fault for the Braves getting 1 hit with runners in scoring position? Or did the umps through sand in our defenders eyes when they committed 3 errors.
What you witnessed was a text book CHOKE. The moment was too big for Chipper, Ugla, Simmons, Prado. Combined they earned about 40 million this year.
Braves have ZERO wins in the last 5 ‘winner take all games’.
October 6th, 201210:08 am
And when you say “dont blame it on the call”
Yes, the braves made plenty of mistakes. And guess what? We paid for them. Cardinals got runs.
So now the Cardinals make a mistake with miscommunication in the outfield, and the braves SUFFER from an error on the cardinals? Thats ridiculous.
SAL2177 – Wow, if you think that any of us REAL Braves fans are blaming the loss on one call you miss the point. The point is that even with 3 errors, 12 men left on base, and no clutch hits, the Braves were still robbed of an opportunity that could have changed the whole complexion of the game. To just spout “Stop blaming the loss on the bad call”, is foolhardy and not true to what could possibly be one of the worst calls ever made.
The situation would have been with the right call the following: Score 6-4, bases loaded, one out, and Brian Mccann at the plate (which he ended up walking in that inning). Go ahead and say that the call had no affect, but the only thing us Braves fans wanted, was just the easy/right call to be made.
October 6th, 201210:09 am
No…not classless fans! Fans who stand up for what’s right! Atlanta fans, you did the right thing. No wimps there! Let’s not ever stop standing up for what is right. Yes indeed, a terrible call! Let’s never forget! And I’m a Yankee fan just standing up for what is right.
October 6th, 201210:13 am
@sal2177 – I never said the bad call was the reason for the loss. No one will ever know the result if not for this bad call.
Overshadowed by the sloppy D and infield-fly controversy: Braves were again terrible with RISP (1-for-8). Hurt them entire second half of season. Stranded 12 runners last night.
October 6th, 201210:17 am
we need an overhaul from the top. Need an attiute ajustment. Same lame ass approach to the playoffs since 91, can’t get this team mentally ready, its now unacceptable
Joe Torre is a coward. Why have a rule on the books that allows teams to lodge a protest, if you won’t even take one moment to consider if the protest has merit? “No,” Torre says. “It’s a judgement call. We’ve just got to move on to the next game.” A judgment call? Any good shortstop can catch a high popup on the warning track in left field; so anything as far out as the ball in question in this game was obviously not in the infield and the infield fly rule did not and should not have applied. A T-ball first grader could have figured this one out, but six guys getting $100,000 or more each to umpire these games couldn’t. With so much money on the line for these major league teams and only one playoff game to decide the wild card games, there has to be a real system set up in place by MLB to protest a game like this. What would Torre consider a reasonable protest to be – an umpire actually out-and-out throwing a game for money? Would that be enough, or would “precious time” to move on to the next set of games still take precedence? Like I said, Joe Torre is a coward and will never enforce the protest rule because the rule has no teeth and Torre has shown that he doesn’t have the guts or the character to enforce anything. This is one of the worst calls in sports playoff history. Shame on Joe Torre and shame on Major League Baseball for letting this horrible call stand.
October 6th, 201210:20 am
Atlanta Braves Fans are a disgrace!
October 6th, 201210:44 am
You almost looked like real fans by showing up and cheering, but then your true colors came out. I am so happy to be a Cardinals fan. We are first class!
October 6th, 201210:46 am
Yes it was a bad call! The Braves lost the game because of there errors not because of that call. Thank you Chipper for 19 years of great service my family and I have enjoyed watching you play.
October 6th, 201210:56 am
The Outfield Fly Rule.
Daryl Just Daryl
October 6th, 201211:00 am
I would like to file a protest as well. Can someone tell me why the city of Atlanta still has a major league baseball team? I’m almost certain the people of Indianapolis, or Memphis, or Oklahoma City would not behave like that.
October 6th, 201211:08 am
A big thank you to Atlanta fans for sticking up for your team. That was a awful call since the premise of the infield fly rule is to prevent a team from getting an “extra out. There was no chance for it on this play. Cleveland fans get most of the blame for bad behavior, and we’ve been know to throw a few projectiles onto the field of play. This incident has taken some of the attention away from us. At least you had a good season- as we say in Cleveland, always next year..
October 6th, 201211:14 am
Freddi needs to get a pair & get thrown out of a game every once in a while. Last night would have been a PERFECT opportunity!
October 6th, 201211:17 am
I find no fault with the fans. they paid big dollars to go to the game. Their display of their displeasure was appropriate. I only wish I could have been there to throw a few items myself. No apology here.
And, yes, Simpson should be fired.
October 6th, 201211:23 am
I’m sure Skip Carey was rolling over in his grave on that infield fly rule call. I remember so many times when he not-so-patiently and not-so-cheerfully explained it on his call-in show and on broadcasts. How ironic that it became such a focus in this game. By the way, the throwing errors did us in, but the new format stinks. One and done just isn’t baseball.
October 6th, 201211:25 am
Was hoping for Nats to face Braves, but guess we’ll have to deal with the Cards NATITUDE
October 6th, 201211:27 am
Interesting to read most of the posts focus on the call and play – Yet few go to the heart of the issue. Either MLB MUST put replay into the post-season games. Last night COULD have been EASILY avoided by doing this and recognizing the error, putting bases loaded, and moving on to let the play on the field determine the outcome. Even the Vegas odds-makers wouldn’t touch the chance any protest will be upheld for ANY game in the post-season since MLB is now looking at ending near Thanksgiving . . there is NO TIME left in the schedule to fix it the ‘old way’ . . replay is the only path forward.
Of course, I am in that group of fans who recognize that the pain for us was swift vs. prolonged by another series where the Braves get swept away.
October 6th, 201211:32 am
I moved to Atlanta in 1979 after law school and became a loyal Braves fan through some great years when Torre managed the team with Knucksie, Murphy and Horner, to the disastrous years of the late 80s, from last to first in 1991, to a World Series win in 1995. Moved to DC in 2000 but still loyally followed them through the remaining years of division champs and season ending frustration, followed by the recent vintage of reliably consistent inconsistency. That inconsistency was on view this entire season and was displayed to the entire nation last night — a pitcher who can’t lose loses when it counts the most, a regally decorated Hall of Famer throwing an easy double play ball into deep right field, and repeated failures to hit with RISP. Take away Chipper’s swan song error and its a tie game. Take away Simmons stupid baserunning for an interference call and the runner scores from third for a Braves win, even with the muffed infield fly call. The muffed infield fly call would have at best made the score 6-5 and the Braves would still have lost. This was for me my swan song as a Braves fan — just as Sid sliding home has sunk the Pirates for years, so will the muffed fly be the start of decades of famine for this inept organization. Thanks for years of effort Chipper — you’re getting out at just the right time. The Braves fans need to be realistic about this team. The “corporate” Cox/Scherholz management worked reasonably well when there was an owner (Ted) who was willing to take the losses to get the players that were needed but that model lacked the intensity of effort to be competitive when it counted, as the years of division crowns with only one WS title showed.. Those days are gone and the corporate model no longer works. Chipper had a career year, Medlen was outstanding — you can’t duplicate that next year with Uggla, the oft-injured McCann, an aging Hudson, etc. They Braves need to run the team like Oakland and TB if they want to consistently return to the playoffs instead of trading for players who were former stars like Uggla. The Nats, my new team, are built for the future. They cleaned house 2 years ago and are reaping the dividends. But despite their success I still rooted for the Braves this season in frustration as they never came close to winning the division and thus went to the Las Vegas one shot WC game where anything can happen and it did. Last night we saw rock bottom play by the Braves whose pundits now desperately attempt to pin the loss on a muffed call that would not have changed the outcome. I can’t do this anymore. Best of luck Braves. You’ll need it. Go Nats!
Worst game ever
October 6th, 201211:36 am
I think a point that needs to be made is that we fans already were infuriated with a number of horrific decisions by the umpires (balls/strikes, plays at first, etc.) long before the “outfield fly.” There was a commercial featuring umpires shown on the big screen earlier in the game and we were so livid at them already that we were booing that COMMERCIAL. If you realize the extent of fans’ frustration and anger — in addition to the fact that this game never should have been played anyway but was another “improvement” from the so-called mind of the dictator Selig — you will see that that horrible call was just the final straw. I didn’t throw anything and don’t think people should have, but those who criticize how we reacted clearly were not there and/or are pious hypocritical Cards fans, who would have done the same thing under the same circumstances. (Also, I’ve lost all respect for Joe Torre, who said that was a good call. Poor Joe used to know baseball, I believe.)
That Sam Holbrook said he would make the same call again after reviewing the replay shows that he should be removed from baseball. He is a 330 lb inbred from Kentucky who needs to go back to the Appalachian league that he came from.
October 6th, 201211:38 am
I have to agree the Braves played a really bad game, but I also think that when you are playing any game you should never have to play against the umpires. In my opinion if the people in the position to review and reverse a bad call don’t have the gonads to change it then maybe you should not be in that positions. It is just like the go ole boys club, whatever the umps say no matter how bad they will stick with it. Maybe you guys should think about another profession.
Wow, Charles. The Braves really don’t need fans like you. Hope they have space for you on the Nats bandwagon. Good riddance.
October 6th, 201211:43 am
Since when, does a outfield have a infield fly rule? I’m losing respect of the leadership of baseball not recognizing this. Absoloutly astounding Decisions like this will lose fan support in Baseball as is, happening, in Football, now.
October 6th, 201211:45 am
Having taken a night to think on this, the simple truth is that the call remains brutally wrong and MLB suffered a black eye every bit as pronounced as the Braves suffered for their self-inflicted wounds with the errors and unearned runs.
The Braves literally threw the game away and they will have to live with that.
But, that gives the umpires zero slack. They deserve to be held accountable and should be fired. But, MLB will not fire them because umpires have way too much influence in the game. Charlie Relaford was the fat dude sitting beside Joe Toree. Relaford is the Supervisor of Umpires in MLB. Something I did not write about last night was the outright cockiness Relaford displayed at that press conference.
At the very least, no cockiness should be on display by anyone associated with MLB. Instead, humility and apoligy should be the order of the day. The call was wrong. Attempts to justify the call are as stupid and dishonest as when one umpire literally tried to say that a grounder that bounced fair prior to the third base sack, and then bounced fair after passing the bag, was actually foul when it passed over the bag!
Utter nonsense! The effort by the umpire to use this statement to try to claim it was an accurate call, was mindless arrogance to defend the indefensible.
The statements made by the three umpires (including Relaford as the supervisor) was equally indefensible. What if the Braves had tied the game given the chance to have bases loaded with no outs? If McCann had walked as he did, then the score is 6-4 with bases loaded and no outs. A fly to the outfield would have scored the runner from third and it is 6-5 and inning continues. The same pressure the Braves felt would have transferred to the Cards.
Absent the throwing errors, it could have then made the score 5-1, and we have Kimbrel come in to close it down. Obviously that is all theoretical, but the umpires must always apply the rulebook accurately and fairly and last night they failed.
The mid – outfield fly rule is in affect. Sams judgement call. Aren’t all calls made a judgement call, really Torre really?
STL CARDS FAN
October 6th, 201211:48 am
You braves fans are really quick to blame the umps for this loss. It wasnt like a 3 run homer was called back. How quickly you forget that if it wasnt for a bad call by those Umpires Ross never would of hit that 2 run homerun after the umpire called time while Loshe’s pitch was in flight. You guys suck
October 6th, 201211:51 am
call was bad but watchingg the umpires sit up there and defend call was worsed they think sitting up there lying their butts off is going to make anyone who can see think it is the right call? Be a man and admitt it and move on, like denninger and jim Joyce did. Why have have extra umpires anyway. Look at Yankee Mayer Homerun that wasn’t call made by right field umpire. They are not out there all year, then you put them out there out of play basically and all of the sudden they have to wake up and make a call taht can decide a game? show me one time when an outfield umpire made a correct call a base umpire would not have. plus if this call was so right why did the third base umpire make no attempt to call it?
October 6th, 201211:54 am
Last nights performance by the umpires and the whole 1 game playoff concept makes me question if I want to continue to support Major League Baseball’s product. What happened last night was a complete load of you know what. Nothing in baseball is properly settled in one game. The whole league is built on the 3 game series. The fans may have thrown trash on the field, but the umps and MLB have s**t the bed on this one.
I think maybe my time could be better spend on something else than supporting a product that gives the finger to it’s fans as it did last night. Maybe I will take up knitting.
October 6th, 201212:01 pm
First of all, the reaction of the fans at the stadium was pathetic. Just backs up the rest of the country’s perception of the south being full of uneducated and uncivilized hillbillies. Secondly, no doubt that was one of the worst calls in MLB history, but I don’t think it really would have changed anything. After watching the horrible defense and lack of timely hitting with men on base, the Braves may have closed the gap by a run or two, but it wouldn’t have changed the outcome. Thirdly, listening to the players complain about having two wild card teams and a one game playoff, just makes them sound stupid. If they had a problem with then why didn’t they complain to the players union before it was agreed to by all sides. Complaining now just makes you look like poor losers! Braves had a great season & Chipper had a great career, but both ended in the most pathetic way imaginable.
October 6th, 201212:02 pm
So, those of you, come on here to call Atl classless, just anything for a kneejerk, the call, infield fly-rule needs to make clearer definition, I’d say2 or 3 feet beyond from the edge of the dirt & grass. This was mid-field left field, which obviously is an outfield pop fly, infielder goes out there, that’s way beyond infield jurisdiction. “That’s a clowny call Bro.” A CLASSLESS CALL, & helped the redbirds backdoor themselves to the next round, classless! Same reaction would’ve been layed out there by Boston,philly, bronx fans any city who sees that was a mommentum changer, Holbrook, you’re classless, Torre, classless, what’s Bud selig’s take on this? Man, & they say atl fan’s are too mellow for baseball.
October 6th, 201212:03 pm
@Biff I agree with you on Ugla but you’re way wrong about Medlen. He only gave up 3 hits and 2 earned runs!! It was the errors and not being able to hit with runners in scoring position that lost the game, plain and simple!
October 6th, 201212:05 pm
Everyone appreciates what Jones has done for the Braves. However, if we are honest, we know that he accounted for three runs in the game- all three for the Cardinals. Losing that lead was the turning point in the game. The Braves, as should have been expected, never recovered. Holbrook’s call was wrong and hurt. But, the game was already decided. Still, it does give fans something to whine about rather than pinning the blame, if we must do so, on the real source for the loss- Chipper’s error.
And, if we want to be further honest, we know that he was out at first.
October 6th, 201212:09 pm
Simmons left a lot to be desired, too. Whoever called for the bunt, Gonzalez or Simmons, was a fool. The lead-footed Freeman coming in on a delayed squeeze. Get real. Simmons running down the base line was the most blatant out of the baseline exhibition possibly in baseball history. Unbelievably dumb for an alleged major leaguer.
October 6th, 201212:10 pm
The ironic part of this call is that only a few weeks ago Atlanta fans were adamant that it was the 5 Peyton Manning interceptions that lost the game for the Broncos and the poor officiating had nothing to do with it. Shoe on the other foot and 3 errors combined with a base running blunder or 2 by the Braves and their drunken Hillbilly fans decide to try and kill someone by throwing beer bottles.
Bad defense cost Braves the game. But as a long time Braves fan, I was glad to see the fans’ reaction to the terrible call. Atlanta fans have always been insulted as apathetic by the national media. Now that we show some passion, we’re no class rednecks?
October 6th, 201212:12 pm
Buster onley even quoted about the call being poor judgement, Billy ripken mlb said it changed the mommentum from the Braves feet, crucial, stupid, They are stating the obvious, I’m glad atl fans gotten frustrated over these wreckless futile calls. Gosh, yes, the stupid nonsense errors made we’re crap, got that, & I think alot of atl fans are tired of the boneheaded play in crucial momments.
the country needs a lot more rednecks and a lot less politically correct imps.
October 6th, 201212:13 pm
Why would think the game “was already decided” before the terrible call was made. The Cards scored three runs after Chipper’s error and they didn’t have the bases loaded. As all the players say, giving pros an extra chance often leads to disaster. We will never know if the game was already decided. Terrible call by an obnoxious umpire who should have been watching the foul line and not the infield fly rule.
October 6th, 201212:14 pm
thing happen that should not happen but that is the way lifegoes i think they weer playing to hard but i will go with them win lose draw
STL Cards Fan: Wrong.
Tom A. Hawkchop
Maybe the Braves Jinx is that infernal chant that is like nails in the ears, and a tiny step above ‘the wave’.. But agreed, Sam Holbrook replaces Jim Joyce (blown call on the perfect game) as the most recent example of MLB’s umpire with ‘the worst call in memory’.
And the way Chipper was swinging at first pitches all night, it was like he left his car running. It seemed like he was in a hurry to move on from baseball and into a deer stand.
Bourn needs to go. Too many strikeouts for a lead off man.
October 6th, 201212:15 pm
The call was a judgement call just like the call that benefitted the braves that led to a homerun when late time was called by your player
October 6th, 201212:18 pm
I’m w/ ya Blue Flame; but the one, that was calling out, railing on most of all was our dearly beloved Joe Simpson, I can understand to be biased to a point, & these folks comin’ on here to call us hillbilies, you must love hillbillies cause you on here w/ us.
After the ball is hit in the air, you should hear the umpire yell, “Infield fly, batter is out.” If you don’t hear the umpire yell that, then assume the rule doesn’t apply.
October 6th, 201212:19 pm
They are replaying the game now on MLB channel for those that want to view it.
October 6th, 201212:21 pm
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Yep, but he was holler’n for time & rais’n his back hand toward the ump before the windup was even started, Yeah, this game was full of slow reactionary umpiring especially in crucial momments, so we’ll never know huh?
October 6th, 201212:23 pm
@ Peter; Good point.
October 6th, 201212:27 pm
The infield fly has never been called like that before. it is an embarrasment. We have all seen balls drop between infielder and outfielder. It is embarrassing enough that they blew the call then to not have it overturned by any ump on the field is mindboggling. The post game explanation by Torre is beyond the pale. Fans should have no respect for MLB How about a little integrity. Admit the umpires blew the call and apologize to the Braves and their fans. this the umps did nothing wrong is ridiculuous
October 6th, 201212:29 pm
@ Blue Flame; Yeah, I got irked at chipper, crucial clutch time runners 2nd & 3rd, swingin’ hack’n at the 1st pitch, when was hope’n he’d take a pitch or 2, to work the count, when behind, take a strike, grant it might’ve been a strike, he hit it right at somebody, but each at bat, each pitch was crucial, make a good quality at bat. Love chipper, but man, needed a big one at that point, If it would’ve been a hit 2 runs would’ve scored, been down by one.
October 6th, 201212:33 pm
finally, the season has ended.i was proud of the atlanta fans for standing up for the braves . for years, atlanta has been getting jitted by officials.notice how calm freddie gonzalez took it.the braves should go in another direction with a manager who is a winner not a loser like gonzalez.terry francona, bobby valentine, ozzie guillen as a few to name.players who should not be braves next year are eric hinski, dan uggla, tommy hanson, michael bourne,johnny venters,brian mccann, just to name a few.players to build on for next season are jason heyward,freddie freeman, martin prado, jose constanza,andrelton simmons, david ross and the rest should be brought in but these losers above especially bourne who is a born loser shouldn”t not be considered.the pitching staff is alright except for hanson and venters.this will be an interesting off season.
October 6th, 201212:36 pm
Cardinals, 12 in ‘12
What about the bad call of time out when the pitch was on the way allowing for a atlanta hr?
infield fly rule did not cost atl the game, atl did not produce, even getting gifted 2 runs in a bad call.
you had your chance atl, you blew it.
the better team won, just like last years match up to end atl’s season
brave-63′, no better said, How they handled this was classless, futile, anybody knows what’s selig’s take on this. Does Torre’s decision from the protest out weigh Bud’s assessement, would they have had jurisdiction over him. They might need to re-do the writing of the rule to make it much clearer, or make a knew outfield fly rule if they gotta be that dunce about the call, Classless!
October 6th, 201212:38 pm
Yeah, a better team w/ a little help from the boys in the suits, backing in to the next round. Go Nats!
Management has built the Braves as a long season contender, not a short series contender. Bobby Cox managed beautifully as a season long grind-it-out manager. But in the short term, lack of emotion,
laid-back-attitude, lack of passion will not work in a short series. Go all the way back to 1991. For three years the Braves played with passion. David Justice evoked passion in the 1995 World Series, and, at last, the Braves won. Errors, questionable mpire rulings, and such are not the problem. When a team lacks passion, look for a quick exit, the Braves for many years.
Not a Belly Acher
October 6th, 201212:39 pm
Hmmm, I don’t see any mention here about the home plate ump’s late time out call as Loshe was in his windup and technically should not have been called. The pitch was a strike and he should have been out. A HR the next pitch, two runs. The left field ump’s call, might have cancelled out those two runs, so everything evened out. And, how many fans noticed that Molina walked out in front of the plate to stop the game and let Chipper receive his applause in the 9th?
Call it Mid-outfield fly rule, ball not even caught, classless!
October 6th, 201212:40 pm
In George Brett’s last at bat he hit a routine grounder to second base but ran full out and was barely thrown out at first. He said it was the perfect way to go, showing the younger players how you always hustle.
Chipper jogged to first conceding the out in his last at bat. And when the season is on the line to boot. He got lucky that the first baseman couldn’t find the bag twice and/or the ump missed the call.
Braves did a massive choke job once again in front of their fans. Simmons I can see being a nervous rookie under his first postseason glare, but Chipper and Ugglas poor defense no excuse. Uggla is terrible I was one of the few doubting that trade since we already had a better second baseman in Prado. I got reamed for it around here especially by O’Brien who said anyone who doubts the trade is a fool who knows nothing about baseball. Uggla has been a complete bust.
The bunt call by Fredi in Simmons at bat was stupid. A suicide squeeze might have made some sense at least compared to a safety squeeze, but with the pitcher on deck and one out you don’t concede Simmons at bat for a low possibility he puts the bunt in a perfect spot for the slow Freeman to score from third without running on the pitch. There was a much higher chance of Simmons getting Freeman home by swinging away in that situation. Horrible decision.
Kudos to David Ross the one Brave who rose up.
October 6th, 201212:43 pm
My question is this- when does it become an outfield fly ball? when it gets to the fence? As a fan of baseball and the game that was simply an awful call.
Yeah game full of slow reactions by umpiring, I’ve mentioned about it my self, Ross was trying to call time blue before Loshe started his windup. Too bad the ump did not catch on quick enough.
October 6th, 201212:45 pm
Hey Freeman was also playing w/ some attitude, he was gett’n after it.
October 6th, 201212:52 pm
How in the heck can we get rid of Uggla? Do we have to give up a pitcher to get rid of him?
I’ll take our pitchers Freeman,Prado,JHey,Simmons. Get rid of everybody else.
What can we get for in return? Bag o balls?
Trade the entire team besides those guys for SOMEBODY ELSE.
Sorry MAC, but we r in a recession/depression. Cant give u 13 mill for being good guy.
October 6th, 201212:56 pm
The Braves have no one to blame except themselves and an old 3rd baseman that can’t field. The 3 errors cost 4 unearned runs which was the key to the game.
Face it, Braves can’t win in the post season. Been over 10 years, since they have won a post season series.
October 6th, 201212:57 pm
Youre right 74 Freeman played a solid game too and was clutch. He and Rossy were the bright spots. Bullpen was fine also.
October 6th, 20121:01 pm
If you pay Bourn, it will just freak him out to be the highest paid full time player and then the pressure will get to him. He’d tank.
Move on, hes done-…….less he likes the ATL. Then work a deal for 3or 4?
Hes prob gone cause this maybe his only chance to make the big money with his steals.
Whats hard to fathom is how we have no hitters coming up in the minors. Do u have to tank your team to get draft picks?
As long as Cox&Friends in control we aint going no where.
October 6th, 20121:10 pm
@ Carichamblee & buzzer:
You are both spot on.
We Will Get Fooled Again
October 5th, 2012
The culture of choking continues. Everything was set up for us to exorcise some demons tonight. We had Medlen on the mound with a rocking crowd and a 2-0 lead. Only the Braves could blow it so spectacularly . . . The choking never stops. The inability to win at Turner Field in October never stops. Maybe we just need to be like Cubs fans and accept that we are destined to a lifetime of failure in the postseason.
ONLY the Braves? Pretty ignorant post. You don’t know crap about ATL if you think it’s ONLY the Braves.
Maybe it would be a little easier to swallow if it were only one team, but “blowing it spectacularly” has been the hallmark of EVERY ATL pro team EVERY year of its existence (except the ‘95 Braves). That’s ONE championship in 156 seasons of competition in this city–a tradition of futility matched by no one.
October 6th, 20121:18 pm
Atlanta fans, you are preaching to the quire. You really don t expect Cardinal fans to feel your pain do you ? After all, the call you are so upset about happened in a first round wild card game. Try digesting a blown call in game 6 of a World Series. Anyone remember Don Denkinger from 1985 ? The way I see it, you have 27 years to let it fester before you get any sympathy from me !
October 6th, 20121:25 pm
October 6th, 20121:26 pm
This winter consider doing the following.
Trade Mac, Uggla and Hanson for a combination of prospects and or ML ready talent. Put Prado back at 2B where he should have stayed.
Release the entire bench apart from Juan & Ross. Pastornicky is a toss in as part of trade IMHO not some super utility player find for ATL.
Trade an arm pkge to Texas for Elvis and then trade one of Elvis or Simmons to AZ for Justin Upton.
Sign BJ Upton for CF
Make a run at Greinke and or Peavy.
I would rather have Peavy’s power arm in the rotation over Hanson’s and possibly Hudson. Greinke is the Ace you don’t have today. He may not come here but a player of his caliber is needed to anchor this rotation.
Get a defensive whiz behind the plate and move Bethancourt into over drive re: his training & development. Ross is back one more year maybe in a platoon role versus a one a week back up.
Give Juan a shot a 3B with the requirement he gets in better shape over the winter & works on his approach at the plate and at 3B.
Use one of the trade scenarios above to get a 3B prospect into the system. BTW If Terds name comes up again as the replacement for Chipper we are screwed. He is not very good. A better version of Pastornicky at 3B.
Some other cocktail of players may work but in 2013 we need new faces in CF, LF and 3B at a min with 25% of the rotation and 75% of the bench replaced.
I don’t think Wren does this and that is why he should be flushed along with JS & McGuirk. They have this desire to white wash the previous season and convince fans their tweaks or ill advised all ins moves (Uggla, Lowe, KK) could have worked.
If you want to put away other teams you need a FO with a killer instinct. The Braves lack that and quite frankly so does Fredi. I would broom the lot. Get Francona who has actually won two WS rings versus a manager who has won nothing and is channeling BC (the later years).
I wonder what the scenario would have been if the ‘outfield fly rule’ were not called and the Braves had come back and won 7-6. Would the masses be complaining about a missed Infield Fly rule call on the Simmons pop-up? And that the Braves win was tainted by an umpires bad call? Except for a maybe a die-hard Cardinals fan, I don’t think so!
October 6th, 20121:27 pm
October 5th, 2012
Horrendous call but still they played true to form – kicked the ball all over & can’t get a clutch hit . . . The culture of acceptance continues.
“Culture of acceptance.” That pretty well sums it up.
October 6th, 20121:28 pm
1st and last post for this season. Braves had a fair season. Too much inconsistent offense from most off the line-up. Much to decide in the off season. Dang the 8th inning last night. I’ve been watching MLB since 1964 and can never remember a call like that one. They should be renamed from umpires to judge and jury. See ya in 2013.
October 6th, 20121:34 pm
October 5th, 2012
Braves baseball (smh) Thank goodness for David Justice or we would still be loserville!
Oh, we’re still Losersville. Make no mistake about it. We’re STILL Losersville. Justice notwithstanding.
October 6th, 20121:37 pm
While the Braves have themselves to blame for a sub-par performance, an article in the NY Times on umpire failure on outfield calls during playoffs is an interesting and relevant read. I quote the last line of the article: “The debate over Friday night’s call will most likely go on for a while. But in a move to save some face, Major League Baseball quickly edited its bio on the league’s official Twitter page. Until Friday night, it had included the irreverent phrase “We don’t understand the infield fly rule, either.” Now that line is gone, and so are the Braves from the playoffs.”
October 6th, 20121:38 pm
October 5th, 2012
It doesn’t matter if they played bad a true fan sticks with them no matter what. It was a great year, yes the new playoff format sucks but the Braves had a good year and that’s all that matters.
And THIS is exactly why we’re still Losersville.
“It doesn’t matter if they played bad . . . .”
“It was a great year . . . .”
“. . . the Braves had a good year and that’s all that matters. ”
You’ve just read the definition of a loser.
October 6th, 20121:40 pm
Would like to see the play that Buster Olney/ESPN mentioned last night. He said there was a similar play last year that allowed St. Louis to win the LDS(I think). He said it was game #6 and the infield fly rule was not called which enabled them to score and win the game. I do not remember it, somebody might. Hopefully someone at ESPN can find it and will show it sometime this weekend. In my 50 yrs. of watching MLB, have never seen one that far out called that way. Harold Reynolds/MLB said this AM it was the right call. If so, the rule needs to be changed. When all is said and done, the 3 infielders of Jones, Simmons, and Uggla, plus the managerial wizard caused the loss. They may have made it up if not for the “bad call”, but we’ll never know now.
October 6th, 20121:41 pm
that rookie y’all are putting down gave up only 3 hits……………
October 6th, 20121:47 pm
“NOT A BELLY ACHER”………bad comparison, surely you can come up with more than that. I have on numerous occasions seen the ump give a batter a timeout after the pitcher is already in his windup. I don’t like it, but have seen it fairly often, and bet you have too. BUT, have never, ever seen an infield fly called in the outfield, especially if there’s a chance it won’t be caught. We see what’s called “Texas League Bloopers” hit all the time. Are they going to start calling those now if an infielder is close enough to catch it? Your analogy is nowhere close.
October 6th, 20121:51 pm
You play a 162 game season only to play a 1 game wild card series ? Only in MLB would this be a good idea !
This decision was left up to Joe Torre ? Lets don’t have him back for any Braves reunion. He is a Yankee first and a Cardinal second.
October 6th, 20121:53 pm
The call sucks but its 2 things that really piss me off. The first is that Joe Torre former Cardinals manager is put in a position to rule against his old club. Yeah right, he really was going to change the call.
The 2nd point is WTF Fredi G. Why is Simmons bunting with Freeman on 3rd and Ross on 1st. If we cant get a hit by him and no pinch hitter was about to hit for Medlin then why would you do a safety squeeze. I could maybe understand a real squeeze since nobody would expect it but now you want him to make a perfect bunt and then react from 3rd at the same time the defense would be reacting. That call makes no sense and as posters have said. Take your homey Uggla and both of you catch AMTRAK, DELTA, 85/95 baggy and horse, helicoptor that Deion used to get to game, or however else you want to get outta the ATL and let us get a real manager. I dare you embarass our squad in front of the former President and owner (Jimmy Carter and Ted Turner).
October 6th, 20121:54 pm
October 5th, 2012
25 out of 29 ESPN sportswriters picked Atlanta to win tonight; Have they actually seen any Braves games this year?
A more pertinent question: Are they not aware of ALL ATL pro teams’ long-established tradition of losing in the postseason?
October 6th, 20121:55 pm
I was very proud of our fans also. What does anyone expect when a fraud is committed ? Major league baseball can now take this minor league umpire staff elsewhere. Note to Major League Baseball and Joe Torre: DONT COME BACK TO ATLANTA UNTIL YOU ARE READY.
October 6th, 20122:06 pm
If infield fly rule, did our runners tag-up appopriately? Should have been a double play then. MLB you screwed this up!!!!!!
October 5th, 2012
The humongous beer slinging debacle was the Braves fans getting 10 years of frustration out of their system and it’s the first sign of passion I’ve seen at a Braves game in years – Bravo!!!
No, NOT 10 years of frustration. FORTY-SIX YEARS!
October 6th, 20122:09 pm
Chipper, you re a class act. Thank you for accepting defeat like the Hall of Famer you are. A tip of the cap to Molina too for stepping out so Chipper could get his well deserved applause.
October 6th, 20122:19 pm
All you have to do is place 5th in your half of baseball, and you can win the World Series. Baseball has lost me.
October 6th, 20122:25 pm
The call was correct, like it or not. Had the situation been reversed, and if the game was played in St. Louis, you would never have seen the fan reaction that Atlanta displayed. It was truly classless. I feel for Chipper, he is a great player and deserved a better last-game.
Homer of A-town sports
October 6th, 20122:29 pm
It never gets easier. It always hurts. Thank you Braves for a great season. Great crowd that showed they care last night. Take a few weeks to get over it but we have our Falcons to help ease the pain
October 6th, 20122:30 pm
Headlines is an idiot
October 5th, 2012
THIS is why we ATL pro sports fans HATE the pro sports teams we have…no heart, cannot deal with adversity, unable to battle through it when the chips are down…the other shoe ALWAYS drops in the ATL.
ATL PRO TEAMS = MEDIOCRITY
And YES, the dirty birds will let us down too…
Unfortunate but accurate assessment.
October 6th, 20122:31 pm
The Braves lost because of their defensive miscues, inability to get a hit with runners in scoring position and not having the best line-up in to play the game. Yes, th umpire made a bad call but I am more pissed off at the way Joe Torre and the MLB league umpire official decided to make the politically correct decision an not the ethical deciion. I guess Joe Torre has gone to the other side and decided to play politics. Having former MLB players and managers make critical decisions is always going to benefit the league. Its that way in fotball too. Even the radio anouncers on the Cardinals network said it was a bad call. Come on Selig and Goodall take a stance and reverse a decision and quit letting umpires and referees cange outcomes in games. Good Luck Cardinals….
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