11:53 pm October 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 6th, 20123:59 pm
Man, the Braves did stink it up, yeah, no hitting w/risp, 3 crapped out errors, yet, when a chance to rite the ship, that would’ve had bases loaded, key momment, an umpires assumptional judgement call overrules the obvious(mid – field pop fly ball beyond 50ft of infield, way beyond infield), calls infield fly rule, then that rule contradicts what an infield fly rule is in this case, a mommentum changer that the Braves had, the crowd was rock’n, the cardnals we’re in deep crap w/ bases loaded, one out, B-Mac ain’t no telln’ could’ve walked, could’ve gott’n a base hit, could’ve struck out, could’ve hit into the double play, but because of Mr. Holbrooks assumptional judgement, the umpires helped the cardnals get out of that mess, knocked the wind out of what sail the braves had at the momment. Can’t believe Molina say’n what he said, that’s all right, they ain’t gonna last long against the nats. Enjoy you’re free-ride Molina. & Rossy, again called time before loshe started his windup, & the ump too slow to react, I get that.
October 6th, 20124:02 pm
Correct Call Made on Infield-fly, USA Today says…
Paul White, USA TODAY SportsShare
Paul White: The questionable infield-fly call was the correct ruling
The game was delayed 15 minutes after fans pelted the field with trash
The Braves played the remainder of the game under protest
2:38AM EST October 6. 2012 – Follow closely the controversial infield-fly play in the Braves-Cardinals game and you’ll see the Infield Fly Rule applied as the rule book suggests.
If there’s any argument about the result of umpire Sam Holbrook’s out call, it’s a disagreement on his judgment that the rule applies in this case. And, as a judgment call, that wipes out any hope the Braves have of getting their protest upheld because, by rule, protests can be over only a misinterpretation or wrong application of a rule — not over judgment.
CHAOS: Questionable call sets off Turner Field fans
GAME STORY: Cardinals hold on to win 6-3
PHOTOS: Worst fan behavior in sports history, Atlanta fans among worst ever
CHIPPER: Jones’ career ends on a sour note
Let’s start with the rule.
An automatic out is called when, with runners on first and second (as in tonight’s case) or the bases loaded and fewer than two outs, a fly ball is hit that the umpires believe can be routinely handled by an infielder. The rule exists so an infielder doesn’t purposely drop the ball so he can get force outs for a double or triple play.
The comment in the baseball rule book that accompanies the explanation of the rule is what’s most pertinent in tonight’s case.
Here it is:
Rule 2.00 (Infield Fly) Comment: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder — not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the base lines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder.
October 6th, 20124:04 pm
At least I was man enough to admit when I blew a huge call.
October 6th, 20124:05 pm
F Sam Holbrook.
How do you look yourself in the face as an umpire and not want to beg somebody to beat the s***.
Prostitution is a nobler profession.
I don’t care how many errors the Braves made.
Every fan who watched this team this year knows they could have come back and won the game.
Who in their right mind can say with Brian McCann at the plate and one out, with Bourn and Prado on deck, that we would not have at least tied it.
I would take Martin Prado, even with two outs, over anybody else on this team or the f*ing @$$hole Cardinals with the bases loaded, down three.
Martin Prado has multiple grand slams.
He hit a game tying grand slam last year against the Nats.
If he had the chance to bat it would not have surprised me to see him win the game with one swing.
Sam Holbrook made sure he didn’t get that chance.
October 6th, 20124:06 pm
I meant to say … “out of you?”
October 6th, 20124:10 pm
@ itsdejavualloveragain,good points,; @ ijudgenot; w/u on the moves, hope we can piece the ship back together, “Everything rises & falls on Leadership”.
October 6th, 20124:21 pm
@ Chad Wellington; Thank you for the information, then we could assess that if the shoe was on the other foot, hindsight, just wander’n would Holbrook make the same call against the cardinals, just wander’n, & yet to say from whatever sources used, their would been worst reaction beyond, from other fan bases in the heat of the momment, & have in the past, because of real high passion level, I can disagree with this source of the photo.
October 6th, 20125:01 pm
It certainly was a bad call and I’ve read the damn rules. If this is called this way each time then in the future with men on 1st & 2nd or bases loaded situations all of the infielders should run to the outfield on any pop fly or looper with their backs to the plate and flap their arms. This was quite obviously a you-got-it-I-take-it confused with the noise of the crowd and the umpire’s arm did not extend until the shortstop pulled off of his run and a few milliseconds before the ball hit the ground. While I agree that it was not the sole reason for the loss it damn sure was a contributing factor and the primary reason the protest is being ignored is not that it was a judgement call but the timing of the call when it became obvious the ball was hitting the ground, and of course, the timing of Sunday’s allotted tv time. Primarily the tv time.
October 6th, 20126:22 pm
Would have loved seeing Bobby Cox running out to argue with the umpire about his call. Talk about the chaos which would have followed.
October 6th, 20126:47 pm
The Braves played poorly and did not deserve a win. They needed to bring home some of those runners that they stranded. Still, anybody who follows baseball knows that it was inappropriate to invoke the infield fly rule on the Simmons pop-up. Rule-wise, the judgemental nature of these calls could be eliminated if there was a line or arc projected from the foul lines at some arbitrarily appropriate distance (40 feet?) from first and thrid bases so that pop-ups inside the line are automatically affected by the infield fly rule while pop-ups landing outside the line are not.
October 6th, 20126:49 pm
I totally agree with how you phrased your objections to Joe Simpson. I agree that Simpson seemed too eager to scold the fans. Simpson took it too far and repeated the admonision too frequently. He should have said it once and then let it go. But, by repeating it several times, I think it would be best to have his broadcast contract ended for Braves baseball.
October 6th, 20126:55 pm
Paul; White needs to read the rule before pontificating on it! First, the fly ball has to be fielded by an infielder! It says so very clearly in the rule book.
Second, the intent of the rule is to benefit the offense, not the defense. Sam Hollbrook just interpreted the rule vastly wider and more liberally than it’s ever been applied in the past and for that reason MLB will need to revise the rule to put an actual distance provision into effect. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to change how the field is drawn up and paint an arc to clearly label that distance limit also.
What Holbrook should carry to his grave is the sense of personal shame that until his blunder last night, such an arc was never needed. So, it should be named the “Holbrook arc!” Enjoy the clear badge of shame, Sam Holbrook, you idiot!
Given Holbrook’s foolish application of the rule, from now on you have your nearest infielder sprint after a pop fly to the outfield every time there are runners on base in a force situation with less than two outs. Instruct the nearest infielder to sprint under the ball, and make a move with his hands that he’s got it, and snooker the umpire into making an infield fly out call.
You don’t even have to worry about dropped catches in the outfield any longer! So, it is a 100% out call if the Holbrook interpretation is allowed to stand.
October 6th, 20128:27 pm
What a FITTING END to Chipper’s “career”. The usual post season batting CHOKE and then the 3 RUN ERROR as icing on the cake. Check his post season batting stats. Want to know why the Braves have 1 TITLE to show for 14 division championships? Look no further than CHOKER JONES.
October 7th, 20124:37 am
Chipper had a couple bad throws to second of late – that was not new – I guess he didn’t work on them.
But face it – we didn’t hit in the clutch, we bobbled the ball in the field. Our manager called for a safety squeeze, a move no big game winning manager would have ever make in the same situation.
In short, WE CHOKED!!
It is called CHOKING.
October 7th, 20124:42 am
Simpson took it too far and repeated the admonision too frequently. He should have said it once and then let it go.
I thought what the fans did was disgusting and dangerous – that said – Homer Simpson sure knew how to shut up when Chipper bobbled plays during the year. We had a good defensive team, no doubt, but we also had Santa Claus for an official scorer in Atlanta.
October 7th, 201210:00 am
It’s not about the loss, it’s about the fact that the WC elim game had to be played in the first place. Georgia lost at least $2 million in otherwise earned revenue b/c of the new format. You can estimate at least $2 million per game in ‘tourism dollars’ for hotel/motel tax, motor fuel tax, food & beverage tax, extended jobs, etc. Georgia would have had at least 2 postseason games under the old format. Missourri now reaps at least $4 million of otherwise unearned revenue, a boost to the image of its state’s sports & gets free baseball. MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ROBBED ALL GEORGIA TAXPAYERS of extra (and earned) revenue by this new format. The outcome of the WC elimination game has an economic impact that is so much bigger than “just one game”. MLB only thought about MLB. MLB did not think about the much bigger picture of what postseason revenue does in terms of job extension & tax dollars for the state’s team that clearly had the better 2nd place record in 162 games.
October 7th, 20124:10 pm
There’s only one problem with your call, Holbrook. You didn’t properly apply the spirit of the rule. The rule isn’t in place to guarentee the defense an out. The rule is in place to protect the offense. That’s where you failed in judgment. We can talk about the judement that Kozma was planted under the ball (a stretch), whether it took ordinary effort to “catch” the ball (a HUGE stretch) or whether Kozma would intentionall drop the ball and get 2 outs (ZERO CHANCE). You made a BAD judgment call given this evidence.
There is a very simple fix to the rule. The spirit of the rule is to protect the offense. The infield fly can be invoked if the criteria are met, BUT if the defense fails to catch the ball, all runners are awarded 1 base and can run beyond that base at their own peril. This preserves the spirit of the rule and eliminates the offense being punished when the defense fails to do their job. A batter should never be out when the ball isn’t caught. NEVER.
October 8th, 20128:45 am
I think the fact that the SS gave up on the ball to let the left fielder catch it shows that it wasn’t an “ordinary effort”. Holbrook needs to grow a set and admit that he blew the call. he’s just pathetic.
single white dove
October 10th, 20124:59 pm
Something is fishy in denmark… Not really a conspiracy person, but the players did not think it was infield fly rule. That being said, the players would be running. That would be the perfect time to call it. Plus, my idle, when he coached the braves, Joe Torre, is DEAD to me. What a sell out…koolaide and all…
October 12th, 20121:29 pm
You play like crap, you go home. That’s the way baseball works, Braves fans. You showed your true Bush League colors with your reaction. Braves fans are notorious for their bandwagon jumping and their ignorance of the games intricacies anyway. 11 championships and counting baby!!!
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