11:53 pm October 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 6th, 20128:25 am
Mike, we’ll never know. But Braves have had McCann at the plate before with bases loaded and he has a number of grand slams. No question poor play overall, but you never know. The umpire should have been overturned and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe McCann would have struck out. Maybe St. Louis would have freaked feeling the Braves were coming back. We’ll never know. In 40 years of watching baseball, this was the worst umpiring call I have ever seen. MLB can back them all they want.
October 6th, 20128:27 am
Turn out the lights folks the party is over. Braves have some good pitching for next year, so let’s get a couple of clutch hitters to help us rise to the TOP. BAD CALL. BAD ERRORS .
Chippa's the man
October 6th, 20128:29 am
lol season end
October 6th, 20128:30 am
I agree that you never know, however I just have a hard time watching people trying to justify the argument that that peticular call is the reason for the loss.
October 6th, 20128:36 am
same old story…….we will never win with Gonzalez……..
October 6th, 20128:40 am
This game serves one major purpose, and that’s to inform the Braves Brass the tweaks they need to make for the next three years. We are a mid level payroll team, which means we can’t afford 1) aging superstars that have hefty contracts and play 60% of the time with limited defensive range 2) a second baseman that has poor range and a high swing and miss rate that makes $600,000/homerun, he’s a PED bum 3) a leadoff man who strikes out more often than Dave Kingman ever did. He’s a fine player, but not worth $12 mill/year
One of the issues is retiring, one needs to be traded, one needs a low qualifying offer so we can get a supplemental draft pick. Surround our future superstars with some excellent complimentary players with high on base percentages, great defense and a Scuturo grittiness that this team lacks. We have a great base of young players, especially pitchers, we just need to fill in the right pieces around them and give up on the old, unattainable model from years past. The model teams would be the Yankees pre-Rodriquez, the Mariners post Griffey/Rodriquez and the current Athletics team.
October 6th, 20128:45 am
Well said Blob. Couldn’t agree more
October 6th, 20128:47 am
Blob I belive youre analysis is a good one. Couldn’t agree more
October 6th, 20128:50 am
The Braves didn’t play well, but the cal was way wrong. Why doesn’t everyone just let the ball drop & then use the infield fly rule? The ump should admit he was wrong like a real man. If they had called it right, sure we might not have won, but at least it would have been a fair game. Holbrook must be a Cards fan. I was proud of the fans. I’m glad they reacted. Could you imagine if a call like that had been made in basketball or hockey? The crowds would have been on the floor fighting.
October 6th, 20128:54 am
I started feeling queasy yesterday with the Braves talking about the game being a “game .7″
I mean what do the Braves do in game 7s?
October 6th, 20128:55 am
Have as great day everyone. Time for me to switch into foootball mode. GO BUCKEYES !!!
October 6th, 20128:56 am
Liberty Media goes down again! What a bunch of losers! CHOKE under pressure!
October 6th, 20128:59 am
Anyone have sams address?
October 6th, 20129:04 am
If the catch is made it’s a good call. Since no catch was made we’ll never know (and no Cardinal will ever say) if it would have been made or not. Looked to me like the shortstop thought he was getting called off, left fielder wouldn’t had made the catch.
Kinda surprised Freddie didn’t make a point of getting tossed but with all the debris would have made it worse. No way Bobby Cox doesn’t .
I guess now Atlanta has finally become a major league town since we now have unruly fans too.
Train Wreck Bystander
October 6th, 20129:06 am
Gotta tip my cap to the Taint Louis Cardinals… enjoy your diluted win, Redbirds.
October 6th, 20129:07 am
Excuses for sloppy play by the Braves. One call. Move on.
Beaten with an Uggla Stick
October 6th, 20129:14 am
You have to feel good about the pitching for next year but the offense still is the issue. Uggla is a total drag on the system. .22something over TWO years. That’s hat we got with this guy. No one wants him so that’s what we have to put up with for the next several years. So what do we do? Well, we certainly don’t keep playing him in hopes he breaks out of the two year slump. That ain’t happenin’. Fredi needs to grow a set and just use him as a backup. Get another second baseman or put Martin back at second. Or get another second baseman and put Martin at third. Either way we need a left fielder and an infielder. Maybe A Hinske-Diaz platon would work. We just can’t let Uggla drag us down any longer.
Then we have to address centerfield. I was all for Bourn this year but he has been pathetic since the all star break. I would only offer him 5 to 6 million a year because that’s what he proved to be worth. He won’t take it and some other team will take him so we need to address center. Constanza? I don’t know about that. But we need to address centerfield and I don’t think it is Bourn unless he is willing to take a whole lot less than what I think he’ll get.
In any event, I have little confidence that Wren can make the right moves. Can you sat Kawakami?
October 6th, 20129:19 am
Three errors cost the Braves the game, not the umpires.
Cry cry over one bad call. Yes it was a bad call,but did not make difference in game. I tild you how your Hooters hero would do.NOTHING. He helped cost you the game. When the Braves learn to score with men in scoring position they moght win. For now they are LOSERS. Thats OK. I will enjoy my $10000 that I won. So sorry for you LOSERS. I TOLD YOU IT WOULD HAPPEN BYE
October 6th, 20129:22 am
“Absolutely” I made the right call”?
Are you kidding me? Why can’t people own up to their mistakes? That umpire sounds like a politician, even with video evidence he still claims he made the right call. The Brave’s sloppy play put them in that position, but his UNBELIEVABLY TERRRIBLE call cost the Braves at least one more swing against a pitcher in a pressure situation to make a game of it.
People aren’t perfect and make mistakes that can’t be avoided. Spinning or outright lying is what fries my butt. Then you have the officials come out “Joe Torre” and they can’t even tell it like it is. “Judgment call”, come on Joe call it like everyone saw it “Terrible call”.
October 6th, 20129:28 am
Quit crying over 1 call. Just admit that you got beat and that your team is a bunch of losers. You got ric of Hooters hero now so maybe you can do better next year. Until then they are LOSERS.
October 6th, 20129:31 am
In my previous post, i forgot one team to use as a model going forward, the 1991 Braves. Great young pitching staff , a few developing stars ..DJ and RG, surrounded by smart, gritty veterans…TP,SB and my man Otis, all at a reasonable price…. Blauser, Lemke , Olsen fill in the role player types. The parallels are striking, with this team having perhaps more potential and depth than that team. Bobby and John knew what they were doing when they put that team together…..this is the perfect time to reboot the program
October 6th, 20129:36 am
Quit making excuses….you are just losers.
October 6th, 20129:48 am
You know…it’s not so much that the Braves as a team had surprisingly sloppy defense in this game. Yeah….that leads to handing momentum to the other guys on a silver platter. My whole beef with the blown call is this: REGARDLESS of whether or not the infielder (SS) or the outfielder (LF) was camped under the fly ball (and they were NOT), they still have to CATCH THE BALL!!! Neither one of them did. That’s why Torre should have overruled the umps’ call. My guess as to why he did not was that HOW would have proceeded from there? Does he call everyone back to the field and replay the game from that point in the 8th inning?? WHAT do you do now? Because he might have felt that it would be more trouble than it’s worth (and maybe they forgot to write some rules for this one-game “joke”), it was just easier to uphold the umps’ call. Ridiculous!
October 6th, 20129:49 am
I’m not goin’ to Disney World..I’m goin to the Double Dime!!!!!
this is a shame!
October 6th, 20129:51 am
so joe torre was the comissioner reps yesterdat:::son another time an ex yankee beat us…oh man that´s can´t be real!
October 6th, 20129:54 am
I feel the worst for Simmons.
Amazing that Gonzalez is disappointed in the fans. We are disappointed in him. Get a new manager.
October 6th, 20129:55 am
cry cry cry. Why can’t you admit that the Braves are a bunch of LOSERS
October 6th, 20129:57 am
Sam Holbrook is an idiot. This is not the first brain dead call from him. Joe Torre went with the corporate (MLB) line. The deal is “Umpiresare never wrong. MLB is never wrong.” This is typical NO BALLS from Torre, the used car salesman, and their MLB oficials. Umpires are supposed to “get it right”. They don’t care about that. They are arrogant, power-hungry, wanna-be ballplayers. Sam Holbrook will never admit to getting a call wrong. HE ISN’T MAN ENOUGH. He’s the Bruce Froeming of this generation. Bruce blew many a call, proven by by re-play, but (in Bruce’s words) “I saw it right.” That was Froeming’s standard line of BS. Bruce wasn’t a man. He just loved the power. Bruce took arrogance to it’s highest level. Sam Holbrook is as big a loser as Froeming was. Joe Torre and MLB are a joke. Why have a “protest” rule, when you don’t have the balls “to get it right”? Corporate MLB is a joke, led by by a lacky used car salesman. This game was an embarrassment, along with the dumb assed concept of 2 wildcards and a one game playoff. It was ill concieved, poorly thought out, and just a way for more $$$$$. MLB, Joe Torre, Bud Selig, SAM HOLBROOK, and the play of the Atlanta Braves was an embarrassment to baseball last night.
What a joke, on national tv. Nice going, MLB. you showed your corporate colors and stupidity. Shame on all of you.
Stupid fans = Don’t know the Rules of the Game. A lot of stupid fans in the ATL!
October 6th, 201210:12 am
All the apologists re the Atlanta fans – you can go straight to hell. Joe Simpson first in line.
October 6th, 201210:13 am
I stopped by this blog last night because I was outraged by such an incredibly bad call affecting a playoff game. Too many people are focusing on the Atlanta fans who reacted like fans at probably 3/4 of other MLB parks would have also reacted. The real focus should be on the umpiring and how to develop a system where a call of this magnitude that is so wrong in the way the rule is written (Where was the chance of a doubleplay if that ball had been deliberately dropped?) can be reversed immediately. That game will forever be tainted. And yes I am saying all this not as a Braves fan; I’m one of their hated rival’s Phillies fans.
October 6th, 201210:19 am
What is worse is that Postgame – you have Holbrook and crew defending call – Actually Joe Torre threw Holbrook under the bus, was then called off stage and came back and said “I want to clarify I actually do think it was a infield fly”
Obviously he was called off and spoken to about his reaction and then changed his tune
It makes it even worse that they can’t man-up and say they blew the call! It happens in football all the time! At least be man enough and do us the justice of saying “after I looked at it, I’d have to say I wouldn’t have made the call” OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT!
DO NOT SIT THERE AND DEFEND IT WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS YOU ARE FULL OF IT! THAT IS DESPICABLE AND CLASSLESS
October 6th, 201210:22 am
Even RYAN HOWARD and JIMMY ROLLINS were Tweeting that the Braves got screwed!
October 6th, 201210:25 am
It appears this bonehead call, and the fact that it wasn’t overturned, comes down to pride. The umpire didn’t want to admit to his failure and MLB backed him up to save face and pride. Just ridiculous. Sure, the 3 errors hurt us, but had the RIGHT call been made, we would have had the chance to come back. That call killed our momentum, and thus our season.
Hey Joe You Are WRONG
October 6th, 201210:29 am
The fans reaction is more indicative of what occurs in a mob/riot. As people are incited and see other poor/violent behavior they too become aggressive. Most the fans at the game are probably casual/short time home team fans. This occurence does not reflect a city, but what can happen in these settings.
October 6th, 201210:30 am
This team is just doomed from the word go. All I know is that the Cardinals ownership should send the Braves one hell of a gift, because without the Braves, the Cards are jack squat. The Braves collapsed when they had a 10 game lead last year to allow the Cards to get the only Wild Card spot, and this year when there are two Wild Card spots, the Braves choke and allow that team to advance again.
The Braves could win 100 games next year and still get eliminated in the first series in the playoffs. It’s what they do folks, they have been doing it forever. What does 14 consecutive division titles mean when you only win 1 world series, and get knocked out of the playoffs in your first series year after year on your home turf? It means this team is soft no matter the players on the team, the gm sitting in the office, or the manager sitting in the dugout. Then they wonder why attendance is down in the regular season. Well if fans are basing their attendance for next year on last night’s game, Turner Field will look like Marlins park next season, and unfortunately they deserve it.
October 6th, 201210:34 am
Sam Holbrook,Joe Torre and Bud Selig should be barred from MLB for life I bet they all had bets on last nights game. And the rest of that umpiring crew were gutless too or on the take like Holbrook and as for the fans in the stands..Thank You for having the guts to be passionate
and totally poltically incorrect
October 6th, 201210:36 am
In retrospect it would have been great if Chiper announced his immedate retirement after the homerun off of Papelbon. He would have gone out on the highest note, and he basically “retired” after that game anyway. The long goodbye took too much of a toll on him physically and emotionally and a pair of umpire calls by Hollbrook and the first base ump saved him from being the focus of the Braves’ defeat.
October 6th, 201210:37 am
The Braves lost! It’s as simple as that. They played lousy defense and their hitting was untimely. So far as the call by the umpire is concerned, judgment calls are made in every game. To blame the Braves’ defeat on the umpire’s call is wimping out. How about the home plate umpire giving Ross a delayed time out, even though he swung through a third strike, only to be given another chance which resulted in a 2-run homerun for the Braves.
Just A Fan
October 6th, 201210:40 am
I cant believe people are praising the Atlanta “fans” for their classless, bush league behavior. They embarrassed the Braves organization and the city of Atlanta.
October 6th, 201210:51 am
i’m sickened…sad….humiliated…enraged….so many emotions boiling inside of me right now….
October 6th, 201210:53 am
I was at the game and PROUD of Braves fans for their passion. Don’t know how it looked in TV, but it was bedlam live and completely justified.
For the Braves’ season and Chipper’s career to end this way…. shame on you Major League.
October 6th, 201210:54 am
October 6th, 201211:07 am
Winners respond to adversity. After the Denkinger call in the ‘85 series, the Cardinals failed to respond and lost. After Steve Bartman prevented Moises Alou from catching the fly ball in the ‘03 playoffs, the Cubs failed to respond and lost. It’s too bad that the result of any game is affected by anything other than the team’s skill and execution. But winners find a way to do it.
October 6th, 201211:12 am
The Braves did not play well enough to win last night. However, they did not deserve to be robbed of the chance to win by such an obviously bad call. I’ve watched baseball for over 40 years and I’ve never, ever seen an infield fly called that deep in the outfield. The umpire blew it, plain and simple, and yet he (and MLB) still won’t admit it. None of the umpires or the MLB officials had the guts to set right an obviously bad call. They should all be ashamed.
October 6th, 201211:14 am
By the way, with reference to the fans behavior, I think their reaction was restrained, given the circumstances. The call was so bad, I’m surprised the crowd didn’t rush the field.
October 6th, 201211:15 am
Joe Torre is much the gutless lacky, as the rest of corporate MLB. If Joe and his friggen’ Yankees had protested, used car saleman Bud, would have allowed the protest. Sam Holbrook is a brain dead idiot, along with his umpire pals. Umpires don’t want to get it right. They are ego-driven, and an arrogant bunch of wanna be’s.
Shame on MLB, not only for standing up to a bad call bunch of losers, but for the rushed, ill-concieved, and stupid two wild card set up.
MLB is a joke. Bud is a joke. Joe Torre is a spineless lacy. Add Joe to the NO BALLS group. I used to respect Joe. He is not worthy of respect. He is now just another MLB corporate lacky in a suit, with zero credibility. Joe, you’re quite a disappointment, especially knowing that YOU KNOW the call was wrong. Would you have had the same slack-assed opinion, had you been managing the Yankees? I think not. Way to become a real loser Joe. You’re as classless as MLB, and Sam Holbrook. Joe Torre folds likes a cheap suit. Too bad you’re in the Hall. Apparently character doesn’t count for much. Great job, Joe. You just last all your credibility. You’ve achieved BUD status.
October 6th, 201211:19 am
IsUggla kidding me? He is terrible on defense, erratic on offense, unreliable all the way around, overpriced, overpaid, delusional an a girly man. I’d rather have Conrad Brooks. The salary per RBI/BA would be much cheaper. Cox and Fredi are incosistent in dealing with Uggla vs others. Diaz was benched or regulated to platooning because his splits were unequal. But non of his sorted stats were as bad as Uggla overall BA. Ted Turner needs to return and clean house.
I am getting tired of hearing how the cardinals stole that game. In the second when the batter had 2 strikes called time out to late swing for a third strike and the ump gave him the time out, then he came back and had a home run. You did not hear cardinals fans there in the stadium yell unfair our throw bottles. How many times has a ball team had bases loaded one out and never scored. You all act like the cardinals stole something. Your team was 3 runs behind not one. You all need to move on and admit your team did not have there A game on when the cards did.
Good Grief Charlie Brown
October 6th, 201211:20 am
yes, it was a bad call. yes, the umpire should have ‘manned’ up and admitted his mistake, BUT….
3 runs on 12 hits, 12 men LOB, 1-11 (?) with RISP, and 3 fielding errors is NOT going to win ANY game.
disappointed that the season had to end this way, but i’m more disappointed with fans throwing stuff on the field. have never understood that, never will.
October 6th, 201211:28 am
Sam made the correct call, the same people that were made at my strike zone in 97 are the ones crying today. Sam finished #1 at my umpire school and CB Buckner #2, both excellent umps! Go O’s & Reds!
October 6th, 201211:34 am
The infield fly call did not cost the Braves this game. Three crucial errors did along with a box score showing only 3 runs on 12 hits and 12 runners stranded! That was the game! I doubt they get the runs in even if the call is not made. It was that way all season!
It is obvious that a better lead off man is needed….Bourn is not he guy…way too many K’s. And another season of futility from Dan Uggla won’t cut it. C’mon Frank Wren….put the money up and get David Wright to take over for Chipper at third…he would make a great Brave! Ship Uggla out and put Prado permanently at second. And get an “on-base” lead off guy…not a strike-out king!
October 6th, 201211:36 am
Wow!, the children are still crying…….
October 6th, 201211:58 am
Holbrook…300 lbs plus of lard….same dude that stuck his neck in where it shouldnt have been and threw out Zack Greinke and was suspended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Great choice for playoff ump!!!!!!!!!!!
October 6th, 201212:02 pm
That was the worst game I’ve ever been to. Hands down. Even worse than the Jim Leyritz homer in 96 that sent my six year old self into tears for the entire night. We had that game sealed after Ross hit the homer, and then the very man who saved the Braves season, pretty much ended it with that horrible error. Then Uggla’s error, Simmons’ error and that horrible infield fly. Hell, we still almost pulled it out, we could have scored 10 runs off them if we could hit in RISP.
Terrible way for Chipper to go out, the only legit run the Cards scored was Holliday’s home run. We GAVE THAT GAME AWAY. The Cardinals didn’t win, we completely lost it.
Changes need to be made in the offseason. We need to sign some legit corner outfielder, move Prado to third and I would put Uggla on waivers just to see if we can get anything for him. I like Uggla, but he can just not continue to have the sort of seasons he’s had for that amount of money.
Give Mac one more year next year to prove himself, if not, let him go into free agency.
Sad way to end what was for the most part a great season. Really should have won that game.
October 6th, 201212:12 pm
Well Ive had enough of Joe Simpson and Chip Carey forever
So, in the future, on any pop fly to the outfield, the nearest fielder sprints to the spot and “establishes himself under the ball,” and instantly the batter is out whether the catch is made or not.
Yeah, and how long would that kind of nonsense last before there were full scale riots at games?
You know, as regrettable as the fan reaction was, there is an elemental truth that is MLB wants to remain alive as a professional sport people are willing to pay hard earned money to support, then they better wise up real fast! The umpires have once again allowed their egos to trump common sense.
The truth of what happened has been mentioned by many professional analysts. Sam Holbrook was standing in left field with nothing to do but watch the game. Finally, a play happens near him and his ego makes him desirous to make a call on the field. The only call he could have made all night was that one as there was not a single ball hit down the line that needed his call. So, he made the most intrusive call he could have made with the one chance to make a call the game presented him.
That folks is the core truth of the whole deal. It is the reason the call was made. Then, because of the extended controversy that a re-do would have caused, Joe Torre was either ordered or decided on his own to immediately disallow the protest — something that is in his purview to decide. Normally, it is decided many hours after the protest is filed and the answer comes in a written response. The last time a protest was upheld was the George Brett pine tar game — that I can recall. The Royals were robbed on a BS call, and the commissioner had the guts to make the correct call.
Bud Selig is a spineless worm. He always has been. Presented with a monumental moment at an All Star game, he rules the game a tie vice force the managers to put position players on the mound to pitch, or even waive the substitution rule to at least allow previously used position players to throw. OK, that was understandable, but being the spineless worm Selig is, he had to fabricate some rule change and the one he decided upon was to turn an exhibition game into something with some pseudo standing — determining home field advantage in the World Series games!
Then, the concocts this scheme of dual wild cards because he decides that there is not sufficient reward for winning a division. OK, in principle that sounds reasonable. But, in a desire to ram it through in the very next season, it required this stupid scheme — not the single game playoff for the two wild cards — I’m talking about the foolish notion of going back to a five-game division series where the wild card game winner gets to play the first two games at home!
Since the wild card plays the team with the best league record, it stands the idea of rewarding the division winners on its ear! You force the team with the best record in the league to surrender true home field advantage and reward the team with likely the worst record of all playoff teams with a very enviable division series schedule.
The Cardinals should send Selig flowers. Every other team in baseball should send him a wet fish wrapped in a newspaper!
October 6th, 201212:13 pm
Fan weren’t reacting to a blown call. They were releasing 20 years of frustration from watching their team wet the bed once again on their homefield.
October 6th, 201212:14 pm
My respect for Joe Torre just went south.Yes the Braves played sloppy.But with this team you never know.The infield call was in the outfield.The shortstop had been called off by the fielder,neither camped.Holbrook cost the Braves run(s)would have been bases loaded.As for the fans,they showed some spirit,placed the blame where it lies.
October 6th, 201212:22 pm
To continue ….
If Sam Hollbrook did nothing (which his ego would not allow him to do) then there would have been zero controversy. No one on the Cardinals team would have protested a no-call. To assert otherwise would be to assert stupidity.
Then, if the Braves continued their woeful run of hitting with runners in scoring position, then the entire outcome of the game would have reseted on the shoulders of the Braves.
Isn’t the game supposed to be determined by the players on the field?
I rest my case!
Umpire ego is once again out of control. Only MLB executives can change the situation. Umpires who elevate their ego above the game need to be fired. Any umpire protests resulting should be met with mass terminations. It is time for baseball to take back control of the game from umpires who let their personal egos outweigh their mandated role to control the game, but not influence the game.
Braves Cleanup Crew
October 6th, 201212:24 pm
No one deserved to lose that game more… oh, except maybe the fans.
Georgia teams suck. The Bulldogs are next.
October 6th, 201212:25 pm
First, if Fredi Gonzalez honestly called for a safety squeeze with runners on the corners, one out, and with the pitcher on-deck….. I don’t know, that’s about as stupid as it gets right there. The man deserves the boot, along with the rest of the coaching staff. Some major changes in management need to be made this off-season. Second, Joe Simpson, F#%K you, man. “This is embarrassing… wah-wah, this is soooo embarrassing…” No! YOU, sir, are the embarrassment! In fact, this entire organization is an embarrassment. Three years in a row now the Braves have choked HARD.
October 6th, 201212:32 pm
In conclusion …
Failure of MLB to rein in the umpires, combined with the state of the economy hurting purchasing power of middle class people, will threaten the sports and has already impacted the sport’s financial health.
With this bitter outcome, what you saw last night with the debris thrown onto the field, must be seen in its full implications. Braves fans historically have been seen as very respectful and temperate. Last night, their anger boiled over. But, the worst effect of that anger won’t be the trash that took 19 minutes to clean up.
Instead, the wrost effect is that most of those fans may well have concluded that this sport isn’t worth their allegience in the future. That means lost revenues in a sport that cannot afford any more lost revenues. The Braves sold out that wild card game last night — which represented about $1 million in direct income to the team itself from ticket sales and concessions. The city took in at least that much in hotel and transportation related taxes and fees.
You don’t tolerate angering your paying customers with such a shoddy level of performance on the field, and that is not limited to the players. It also includes the umpires. And in the final analysis, there is vastly less tolerance for bad umpires than bad players. Making a throwing error is vastly easier and understandable than allowing ego run amouk to influence a wholly unecessary and unwarranted call.
In conclusion, Bud Selig has made a lot of decisions and handed down a lot of changes to the game that have caused significant fan discomfort. Perhaps his ego is run amouk also! Interleague play, the All-Star game determining World Series homefield advantage, the wild card, the double wild card with single elimination wild card playoff game, have all represented significant changes all made under the leadership of just one commissioner — Bud Selig.
Selig might want to consider his next move very carefully. Perhaps the best choice he can make is to refuse to make any more choices!
atl fans: crybabies big time. outplayed, outhustled, outscored
October 6th, 201212:33 pm
I used to think joe torre was a man of integrity but just like major league baseball he now has none. as for the stl fan who called it a choke maybe hes right but when stl lost 3 straight to the braves in nlcs they didnt even have a bad call to blame . 3 straight is a little bit bigger choke and baseball is now one big ass joke
You know what’s just as bad as that call? Reynolds on the MLB Network saying it was right. Omar Visquel disagreed w/ him and told him it was the wrong call.
Could it could have made a difference? Maybe, we’ll never know. Can you imagine being at the game and trying to figure what was going one when they called Simmons out? The fans were upset as we were at home. They shouldn’t have done what they did, but they felt it was the wrong call.
Holbrook put his arm up so late. Was he in th Cards pocket?
I hate the season ended like this and it hurts really bad. I’m an avid fan and hope the Nats crush the Cards!!!!!!!
October 6th, 201212:39 pm
Ken speaks the truth. Attendance numbers have steadily decreased throughout the years, and this season’s outcome may finally put the Braves in the basement.
The Braves need only a few changes to become Division CHamps again.
October 6th, 201212:48 pm
1. Make it a priority to sign David Wright as our new 3rd baseman. He can hit for power and would be a leader in the clubhouse.
2. Get the best power hitting LF we can.
3. Move Prado to 2nd base, cut our losses with UGGLA; he has not panned out as expected.
4. Don’t make but a few changes in the pitching staff.. Hudson still solid, Medlin solid, Minor coming on strong, Beachy will come back strong like Medlin and Maholm is solid, Use Jurrgens and Hanson for trade bait if they can.
And Braves fans quit complaining about the Umps, they didn’t cause the loss, the errors did. You sound like UGA fans.
October 6th, 201212:49 pm
Sad way to see this season end, especially for Chipper.
Laughing out Loud
October 6th, 201212:58 pm
“Just wait till next year!” was the cry of “dem Brooklyn Bums.” There is always the next season, quit griping, groaning, hating and name calling, it’s a game…the national pass time….get it “pass time.”
October 6th, 20121:04 pm
I lost all respect for Joe Torre last night while he sat next to the fat guy from the Sopranos and The Men in Black trying to justify that obvious blunder.
I am so sick of MLB and their continued incompetance year in and year out to do the right thing. I still remember the Bartman play in Chicago, the botched call on the no-hitter in Detriot and last night will sting too.
I was watching them sit on the panel and trying to make explainations of what the ump called and Joe couldnt even put together legible words that even sounded like a sentence!
And looking at the ridiculous expression on Holbrooks face said it all for me. He knew that he made a bad call but was gonna hide behind MLB. That other ump was looking like, “Dude you screwed up and now i gotta sit here looking stupid with you!”
I agree with some of the others who posted, “If this would have happened to the Yankees, we would be playing again tonight!” MLB is STILL a joke!
But overall, the Braves wouldnt have been in this situation if they hadnt kicked the ball around in typical Atlanta Braves post-season fashion. Year in year out, in the post-season, the Atlanta Braves will find a way to CHOKE!
Slammin' Helmets, and Breakin' Bats!
October 6th, 20121:06 pm
Well said, Ken Stallings. So, what’s your take on management now that we’ve lost the wild-card game? A couple of weeks ago, almost everyone on here were quick to applaud both Gonzalez and Wren once we clinched a playoff berth (all of it being unworthy praise, in my opinion). Do you see Wren or Liberty Media taking steps forward to improve this club’s coaching staff?
October 6th, 20121:07 pm
… almost everyone on here *was*
October 6th, 20121:08 pm
Chipper said he wanted to go out like he came in. He did, choking as usual. I am so happy I don’t have to watch Borne strike out anymore in a Braves uniform. We need to spend the Chipper, McCann, and Borne money on two good hitters and move on. Pitching is set.
October 6th, 20121:10 pm
I wanna know one thing, who likes the 1 game play in? THE WINNING TEAM! MLB is a joke. They play 162 games from April to October and then rewards a 90 something win team with a ONE GAME PLAY IN??? Thats so dumb.
Why not cut the season down 3 or 5 games and make that the play in??? HELLO MLB…YOU LISTENING???
October 6th, 20121:21 pm
Happy trails Bourn, we can get Victorino to play center for a lot less $$$$. At least he won’t fan 155 times! MERCY
October 6th, 20121:22 pm
The Rangers got screwed too. A couple weeks ago it would’ve been very difficult to imagine them losing the division and then the one game playoff.
I have no problem with the new wild card system though. It makes the stakes higher. Braves need to win the division next season.
In the offseason, they should trade hanson for offense and not re-sign bourn. The braves need a couple right handed bats
October 6th, 20121:23 pm
Given our lack of hitting with RISP, I actually think Fredi made a risky, but perhaps advisable, call on the safety squeeze. It would have tied the game and in a single-elimination game, you do have to take those risks. Of course, again, that call would have been inadvisable had Chipper not thrown the ball away and allowed three runs to score. With the score still 2-0, Fredi would have had Simmons swing away and who knows — perhaps the kid could have gotten an RBI hit and let the Braves have a chance for another multi-run inning.
Frank Wren is doing an excellent job with a tight payroll. Not all moves a GM makes will work out. But, most of his did, including this season. A lot of things had to go right for the Braves to win 94 games and earn a wild card berth. And Wren’s personnel moves represented many of those good outcomes.
Signing Uggla seemed like a great move at the time, but it is time for Uggla’s two disappointing seasons to start factoring into front office choices. A third such season is totally unacceptable and if Uggla gets into a third straight prolonged horrible slump, then I would be in favor of tough action against him. This was Uggla’s first postseason play and frankly he squandered a lot of RBI chances. So, that factors into his career analysis also.
Uggla’s and Chipper’s throwing errors were both unforced errors. On the other hand, Simmon’s throwing error was forced. Yes, it allowed a runner to advance, which was what put the Cards up 6-3 by the end of that woeful inning. But, Simmons had to make a fast throw to home or the Cards would have scored their fifth run anyway. In a single elimination game, is a 5-3 deficit really all that much better than the 6-3 deficit his errant throw facilitated?
Simmons made a worse mental mistake when he sharply veered left into the grass and made the interference call so obvious to make against him. Had he stayed in the running lane, perhaps Freeman could have scored on the throw to first, making the game 3-3.
Medlen’s mistake was the pitch to Holliday, which was supposed to be low and outside, but instead broke over the heart of the plate and was a cookie that Holliday did not miss. But, that was merely one run he truly surrendered as entirely earned. With even average defense behind him. Medlen would have surrendered one solo homer and the Braves would have likely walked their way to a 3-1 victory as I think they would have scored late with the relaxation of Medlen giving way to O’Flaherty to Kimbrel by the time the seventh inning rolled around.
The Braves need to make changes. They need to get a better bat for left field so they can move Prado to third base, which is his natural fielding position. But, again, Prado’s amazing flexibility would allow the Braves to pursue other options, such as trying to sign David Wright and put him at third base.
But the attendance does not support a higher payroll, and so the problem again returns to the sum of all its parts. Dan Uggla is consuming way too much payroll for his production. Right now, the brutal truth is that he ranks among the most overpaid players in baseball, which means for a team with a tight payroll like Atlanta, he’s a double liability.
Next season, the Braves have the best pitching staff in the NL, perhaps in all of baseball. They need another good bat in the lineup and they need Uggla to frankly clean the cobwebs out of his head and get back to being a .250/35/95 hitter, which was his average production as a Marlin with home field at Joe Robbie Stadium.
October 6th, 20121:27 pm
Brave fans are such crybabies. That call did not beat you.. Poor defense and no hitting beat you Especially yout HOOTERS HERO. He is a bum. the best decision he ever made was to retire. He is still crying because he doesn’t like the 1 game playoff. If he wasn’t such a loser, he would help his team win imnstead of being on a glory trip and running his mouth.. Hooters hero is a LOSER
October 6th, 20121:33 pm
Hey cleanup crew; You didn’t get all the trash off the field; the umps we’re left, but hey, good luck findin’ a job somewhere else.
October 6th, 20121:36 pm
Some of these bloggers need to go check out the Rangers blog, see what kinda hte they could rouse up for what they are say’n right now, they gottabe wanting to throw Ron Washington in a golpher hole right now. I bet Ranger fans are all hyped up for next year already.
October 6th, 20121:37 pm
@74bravesjersey. One more time. IT WAS NOT THE CALL. It was bad playing.. Especially your Hooters hero.
October 6th, 20121:42 pm
Ken Stallings: “Next season, the Braves have the best pitching staff in the NL, perhaps in all of baseball.”
Yeah? How do you see the starting five next year? I’m hoping we remove Hanson and Maholm from the rotation to allow Delgado/or/Graham and Teheran a spot in the rotation.
October 6th, 20121:44 pm
I’m OK with the two wild cards and the single elimination wild card playoff format. I like rewarding the divison winners. But, the team with the best record in the league should face the team with the worst record of the four teams in the division series. Also, the division series should go back to a seven game format so that a true homefield advantage is retained. You can eliminate the off days in between changing cities to allow for the extra games.
Baseball’s biggest challenge is to get control of their umpires. Been way too many bad antics of late. And I’m not talking about Jim Joyce’s call — Joyce might be one of the few umpires without an ego issue, which is why he is seen as one of the best. Joyce made a bad call, but owned up to it with honesty. The issue is all the prima donnas who refuse to admit when they make errors, or who’s ego compels them to make a call when no call is necessary or even wise.
Baseball umpires are widely seen as the most egotistical and arrogant officials in any professional sport. They cause far more acrimony than officials in other sports relative their need to make calls in the game. Basketball and football officials cause controversy also, but you see far fewer overall issues with them. Baseball needs to get control over their officials like football does.
Too may baseball officials seek confrontation with players and managers. This is because they have too much protection. Baseball is the one sport that does not select officials to work postseason based on evaluations. That should change. There also needs to be more turnover so that bad officials are fired.
My solution would be annual surveys among GM’s, managers, coaches, and players to rank all umpires. All umpires who appear in the top ten percent would receive a bonus payment. All umpires who appear in the bottom ten percent would be relegated to the next lower division of baseball (MLB to AAA to AA to high A to low A to rookiel league). Those hired would get a two year exemption from relegation out of rookie league, but after that, any umpire relegated to rookie league who finds himself in the bottom ten percent, would be automatically fired by MLB.
Any umpire who was voted in the top ten percent in a league lower than MLB, would be promoted to the next higher echelon.
Trust me, if this happened, the malcontents and those umpires responsible for most of the issues that get talked about, would be quickly gone, and most who got relegated out of MLB would resign rather than accept the demotion, which would meet the intent also! So, umpires who constantly pick fights with players and managers would suddenly realize that if it happens enough for unfair reasons, words will spread and he’ll be demoted or fired.
Then, at the end of each season, MLB selects those officials graded best by MLB executives for postseason — no more rotations — merit all the way. And these officials earn their postseason pay, which would be a second bonus payment for those graded in the top ten percent. And I would make those bonuses substantial — something on the order of $100,000 for being graded in the top ten percent, and the money earned for postseason work. It would add up to a lot of money for the best umpires! The bonuses paid at the lower levels is getting promoted to the next highest level.
October 6th, 20121:48 pm
Concerning Uggla, I think he’s a lost cause, and I would go ahead and eat his contract and allow Prado to play his natural position. I doubt the Mets will let Wright go, but I would be ecstatic if the Braves made a strong push for him. But again, I doubt he goes anywhere. And about the left-fielder… I don’t know, maybe we could go after Pagan or Melky.
October 6th, 20122:10 pm
So……Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins Tweeted the Braves got hosed? My advice to them is to tune in their MLB soul brotha Harold Reynolds on the MLB Network and pay attention to HR’s breakdown of the call. The reason it seemed to Holbrook so long to make the call is it took an equal amount of time for Kozma to get himself positioned to what Holbrook thought was “under the ball” and “with reasonable effort” or whatever. The verbiage of the rule has been parsed by many knowledgeable baseball folks. The application of the rule has been parsed by many knowledgeable baseball folks AND highlights from past games played of identical application of the rule. It was the right call, people. One thing that gets lost in all this after-the-fact analysis is the ump had to make the call IN REAL TIME! REAL TIME people. And frankly, Holbrook did a pretty darn good job in retrospect.
October 6th, 20122:11 pm
2013 will be a transition year. Beachy will not be back before the All-Star Game and not really back until 2014 (a la Medlen). Delgado needs a spot in the rotation and will be a front line starter by 2014. I don’t see Teheran reaching the level that we hoped he would last year — Delgado has better stuff. Graham might challenge for a rotation spot by 2014, but who really knows until we have seen him. The farm has produced Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrel, Venters, Avilan, Gearrin, and Minor the last 3 years, but save Delgado and maybe Teheran is pretty dry at the top levels. Uggla needs to go, but who will take him? One possible way would be to trade Teheran and make Uggla be part of that trade. Otherwise, the Braves have needs in CF, LF, 3B, 2B, and probably catcher next year. Prado will fill one of those needs, but still a lot of holes to fill but there is a lot of payroll being freed up in the next two years.
October 6th, 20122:25 pm
What a lousy end to the Braves season…but once again an Atlanta team crumbles under the spotlight.
Bad ending for Chipper, commiting the error leading to 3 unearned runs and had two hitting situations late that could have made a difference.
Suggestion for this WC game format: Maybe the season should be your Schedule plus One series. Every team should be prepared to play one more 3 game series based on ending the season as a Wild Card team. The series should be played on 3 consecutive days including travel. The best record would get home field advantage. Game 1 would be a night game and Game 2 would be an 1 pm game to take a little off home field and 3 game at the 2nd WC park.
On the infield fly rule, the rule should not automatically assume the runner is out. If the defense fails to catch ball the runner should be allowed to take first and runners move up one base….because if he is camped out, he should make out,
Teheran has a rough go at it in AAA this year, and people are already entertaining the thought of using him as trade bait to get rid of Uggla? Yeah, that move surely won’t bite us in the a**.
October 6th, 20122:31 pm
“We played to win the game,” Molina said. “They played to lose the game.” Is Molina out of his mind?
Sam Holbrook Is the Latest, Greatest Incompetent Sports Official — Sports on a Shtick
October 6th, 20123:01 pm
[...] Holbrook, who earlier this season ejected Zack Greinke for being upset at himself, remained indignant after watching a replay of the incident, declaring it was “absolutely” the right call. [...]
October 6th, 20123:11 pm
Guys, it was NOT a bad call. Read the actual MLB “infield fly rule” before commending here. We’ve got to realize it was the correct call. We lost the game due to errors and failure to hit with runners on. Listen to the MLB officials today and ESPN analysts–why are you guys saying it was an incorrect call??? THE REALITY IS, any fan who threw something embarrassed the city of Atlanta and made us look terrible on national TV. Despicable. Any fan who threw something should be banned from going to a Braves game next year. Really sad end for Chipper as we almost forfeit the game due to drunk angry fans. Sad ending for Braves. Get your story right people. Go to ESPN or some site that actually covers the facts on what happened with the errors that really lost the game. Not the stupid Infield Fly Rule. I feel sorry for all the kids at the game who saw the terrible unsportsmanlike fan behavior. Sad.
October 6th, 20123:25 pm
Hey Molina must’ve known they played to win, w/ the help from his friends, @ philly Guy; you’re opinion, not to say phillies would’ve played as bad as the Braves did in the game, but if the same scenario had occured in philly, tell me what would philly fans would’ve done at that momment? I know they would’ve went even crazier, huh? probably launch a few sinks & urinals from the bathrooms Huh?
October 6th, 20123:36 pm
Dennis Eckersely said it was an incorrect call, Buster Onley said the ball being 50 ft further than normal pop fly was incorrect call, then Billy Ripken, Omar visquel of mlb said it was beyond the depth of infield fly rule, & if the rule is written in the manner that it is this whole deal is a fabrication. It was mid depth into the outfield, mid left field! Kosmar got way out there because the ball hung up there for him, w/ his speed I commend him for but he struggled, to find it, thought he heard Holliday’s footsteps, gave up, the ball dropped, out in mid-range left field. I think a line judge outfield umpire should not have jurisdiction over infield umpire as far as infield fly rule, yet the ball was nowhere near the infield.
October 6th, 20123:43 pm
So however the rule states is a contradiction to this case, oh, but our Brass is too much worried about how proffesional our fans should react when the rug got pulled out from beneath them, the brass told fredi to be sweet, don’t make any waves, & course fredi wants to say the right things so he hopes to have his job next year. I’m pissed man, if the shoe was on the other foot, cardnals hitting, holbrook would’ve left that judgement alone.
October 6th, 20123:47 pm
OK now that Cox and Chipper have retired its time for the Braves to stop trying to “win one for the Gipper” and start giving their young players an opportunity to play at the major league level. Give pink slips to Henski, Diaz, Baker and Overbay. Let Bourn go the free agent route. Let Constanza try to win the centerfield spot and bat leadoff. Try to deal Uggla and McCann to American League team although they may have to eat some of Uggla’s contract. Hopefully they can get a power hitting leftfielder in one of the exchanges. Put Prado at second and put right handed hitting third baseman obtained in trade for Uggla or McCann at third.Bring up Gattis, Mehia and Gartrell for the bench. Trade Hanson for talented righthanded reliever. Make your top five starters; Medlen, Beachy,Hudson, Minor and Muholm. Let Teheran and Delgado work in Bullpen until spot starter or long relief guy is needed. I would say replace Fredi but he needs one year without Chipper,s influance on the team to judge his effectiveness.
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