Braves shift focus to Friday’s Wild Card game

The Braves’ chances of reeling in the Nationals and winning an NL East title were reduced after they lost three in a row to the Padres and Phillies back on Aug. 29-Sept. 1 and again after they got swept in three at Milwaukee Sept. 10-12. But the hopes didn’t end until Monday night’s 2-1 loss to the skidding Pirates at mostly empty PNC Park.

Jeff Locke, a former second-round draft pick by the Braves, had the best game of his young career and picked up his first win while eliminating the Braves from NL East title contention Monday. (AP Photo)

Jeff Locke, a former second-round draft pick by the Braves, had the best game of his young career and picked up his first win while eliminating the Braves from NL East title contention Monday. (AP Photo)

The Pirates, who only a day before had lost for the 22nd time in 29 games to secure their 20th consecutive losing season, didn’t figure to be the team to drive the proverbial final nail in the Braves’ division-title hopes, especially with ex-Braves prospect Jeff Locke pitching for the Bucs. He of the 0-6 record and 7.08 ERA in nine previous career starts.

But in this often unusual and inconsistent Braves season, the unexpected happened once again. Locke allowed only one run and two hits (albeit with five walks) in six inning and the Braves mustered nothing against the bullpen in a 2-1 loss.

Wild Card game, here they come.

“We wanted to go out and win the division,” Chipper Jones said afterward. “It’s a little disappointing that we’re going to finish second. But we live on past Wednesday. It was going to be a tough row to hoe anyway – three down with three to play is never the situation you want to be in. But it is what it is now. We play Friday. Now our concentration should be getting ourselves ready for Friday night, or Friday afternoon or whatever it is.”

And so will your crusading everyman’s blog focus today be on Friday night, or Friday afternoon, or whatever time the Wild Card game will be against the Cardinals at Turner Field.

By the way, Turner Field was nearly sold out for Friday’s game by Tuesday, down to mostly standing-room only tix. Tickets remain for potential Division Series games 1 and 2, which would be Sunday and Monday in Atlanta if the Braves win Friday.

Since the next two games left in Pittsburgh became all but meaningless, other than to give some Braves bench players at-bats and rest some regulars like Chipper, let’s take a look ahead toward  Wild Card showdown with the Cardinals in what amounts to a do-or-die, play-in game to see which team advances to a division series and which teams goes home after playing just one “postseason” game.

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The Cardinals plan to start Kyle Lohse in Friday's Wild Card game at Atlanta.

The Braves, as you surely know by now, will start Kris Medlen in the Wild Card game, and he is going to be a center of attention for his much-chronicled winning streak – 23 straight Braves wins in his starts, with Sunday’s win against the Mets moving him past Whitey Ford and telescope inventor (just checking to see if you guys are reading closely) Carl Hubbell for the live-ball era record.

(Be honestly – didn’t some of you folks wish he’d lost once rather than go into the postseason with so much attention focused on the otherworldly streaks and numbers he’s put up?)

The Cardinals will start righty Kyle Lohse, who has no decision and a 9.00 ERA in one start vs. Braves this season (five earned runs, nine hits in five innings), and a 16-3 record and 2.71 ERA in 32 starts against everyone else. Lohse is 2-0 with a 3.52 ERA in four career starts against the Braves at Turner Field, but that May 30 no-decision was his only start against the Braves anywhere since 2010.

In 10 career starts against the Braves Lohse is 3-1 with a 4.97 ERA, with the loss coming in a 2002 start against a Braves team that had only one player still playing for Atlanta. Chipper, of course. All nine of Lohse’s other starts against the Braves came in 2006 and later, and he’s 3-0 with a 4.11 ERA in those nine.

Against Lohse, Chipper is 6-for-13 with a homer, Freddie Freeman is 2-for-3 with a homer, Dan Uggla is 5-for-15 with a homer, and Martin Prado is 6-for-14. A couple of others of note: Brian McCann is 5-for-20 with a homer, Michael Bourn is 7-for-34 (.206) with one walk, and David Ross is 1-for-2 against Lohse.

We only mention Ross’ stats because, frankly, McCann appears to be struggling still at the plate with his balky shoulder, and lately a sore knee has affected him behind the plate.

McCann went 0-for-4 and grounded into a rally-killing double play Monday night, and since Aug. 1 he’s 25-for-132 (.189) with four extra-base hits, 11 RBIs and .520 OPS in past 38 games, along with five GIDPs. In his past 12 games, he’s 7-for-39 (.179) with one double, three RBIs and 10 strikeouts.

Ross since Aug. 1: 18-for-38 (.231) with eight extra-base hits, 11 RBIs, .707 OPS in 24 games. He has two homers and four RBis in his past five games.

• Scoring malaise: Not that McCann has been the only Brave scuffling at the plate. Not by a long shot. It’d be easier to cite the ones who haven’t been rather than list the Braves who’ve slumped lately.

The Braves have hit just .222 in the past 32 games, and have a 20-12 record in that span mainly because of their 2.67 ERA. Get this: The Braves have scored two or fewer runs in 16 of those 32 games, including one or no runs in nine. Think about that.

They scored five runs in three others during that 32-game stretch, meaning they’ve scored four or more runs in just 11 of their past 32 games, including four of the past 12.

The Cardinals are 11-3 with 2.46 ERA and .269 batting average in their past 14 games, and have scored four runs in all but one of those 14.

I asked Fredi Gonzalez again about the scoring/hitting woes after Monday’s game, and his answer was the Braves planned to rest some regulars and get at-bats for some bench guys in the last two games in Pittsburgh now that the Nationals have clinched the division.

“Play some of the bench and get those guys going,” he said. “They need some at-bats too. You don’t want to give [regulars] three days off before our next game Friday, but maybe we can get a couple of guys an at-bat here or there and get them out of the game.”

But what about the lack of offense? How much of a concern with the postseason looming?

Before Monday's series opener, Pittsburgh's Andrew McCutchen gave Chipper one of the commemorative bases being used in the series to honor the retiring Braves third baseman.

Before Monday's series opener, Pittsburgh's Andrew McCutchen gave Chipper one of the commemorative bases being used in the series to honor the retiring Braves third baseman.

“Lack of offense is always a concern,” Chipper said after the game. “But quite honestly you can’t control when you’re seeing it good, when you’re swinging it good. I can’t speak for the rest of the guys, they may feel great. I don’t feel particularly good at the plate. But it’s up to me to fix it before Friday.”

Chipper will be out of the lineup for one and probably both of these last two games in Pittsburgh. He started a season-high seventh straight game Monday and has gone 1-for-18 with six walks in the past six games.

After hitting three homers in back-to-back games vs. the Padres (two on his bobblehead night) and Dodgers Aug. 16-17, Chipper has hit .216 (24-for-111) in his past 34 games with four doubles, one homer, eight RBIs, a .348 OBP and a .279 slugging percentage.

A few bright spots have been steady Prado; Uggla, who is expected back in the lineup today or Wednesday after missing Monday’s game with a swollen hand around the cut he sustained in last week’s wild-card-clinching postgame celebration, and Bourn, who appears to be emerging from his long slump.

Bourn is 7-for-17 with three doubles, four walks, .524 OBP in past five games, after hitting .220 with 10 extra-base hits and .310 OBP in his previous 60 games. He’s 3-for-6 with a double and two walks in two games since returning from one-week absence for jammed thumb.

BRAVES LINEUP Wednesday

  1. Bourn cf
  2. Prado lf
  3. Heyward rf
  4. Freeman 1b
  5. Uggla 2b
  6. McCann c
  7. Francisco 3b
  8. Simmons ss
  9. Sheets p

• More on Medlen vs. Lohse: You know about Medlen’s winning streak, but did most Braves fans realize how good a season Lohse has had?

He went 8-0 with a 2.29 ERA and .218 opponents’ average in 13 starts from June 21 to Aug. 27, but has cooled a bit since then, going 2-1 with a 3.89 ERA and .243 OA in his past six starts.

In his past two starts, Lohse allowed 13 hits, seven runs in 12 innings, including three runs in six innings against the Cubs and four runs (and eight hits) in six innings against the Nationals on Saturday.

Medlen is 9-0 with a ridiculous 0.97 ERA and .191 opponents’ average in 12 starts since moving to the rotation July 31, and has 84 strikeouts with 10 walks in 83-2/3 innings as a starter this season.

In 30 career starts, Medlen is 15-2 with a 2.81 ERA. He lost his first two starts in his first two major league games in May 2009, and since then he’s 15-0 with a 2.66 ERA in 28 starts.

We’ve probably gotten a bit jaded from reciting the numbers so often, but let me repeat: That’s ridiculously good.

Medlen has only five the Cardinals as a reliever, and has a 3.72 ERA and .229 opponents’ average in those five appearances, including two in 2010 and three this season. He was charged with two runs and four hits in 2-2/3 innings of a May 28 appearance against them at Turner Field.

The Braves went with Medlen because he’s the hottest starting pitcher in baseball since moving from the bullpen, and they can’t go to the division series if they don’t win the Wild Card game.

But it made sense for another reason, too: Tim Hudson is 3-4 with a 5.78 ERA vs. Cardinals, while Mike Minor has no decisions and 9.31 ERA in two starts vs. Cardinals. If the Braves advance to the division series, Hudson would start the opener and Minor is expected to get the Game 2 start.

The Braves might also be glad the Cardinals are starting Lohse instead of Adam Wainwright in the Wild Card game. Wainwright, a Georgia native and former Atlanta prospect, is 6-1 with a 2.98 ERA in his career against the Braves, including 3-0 with a 2.35 ERA in four games (three starts) at Turner Field.

• OK, let’s close this with a great old Lemonheads tune, which you can see them do live by clicking here.

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“IT’S ALL TRUE” by Evan Dando

I haven’t cried baby since I learned to talk
Haven’t fallen down since I learned to walk
And I don’t get bored watching the tube
And I never had a rock in my shoe

And if I tried baby, would you mess me round?
Would we both get bored by the simple sound

Sorry about dropping that lude
It just seemed like the best thing to do

It’s all true
I got me
She’s got you
And we got time to share a few

You never get me down when I’m feeling blue
When I tell you lies you wont believe they’re true
Now I really should be on my way
Think I’m gonna stick around all day

It’s all true
I got me
She’s got you
And we got time to share a few

She’s so precise with her exacto knife
She’s gonna take her life

I don’t wake up with a sudden start
With some empty arms and a broken heart
And I don’t get bored watching the tube.

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

3,118 comments Add your comment

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:12 pm

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
3:12 pm

Thanks, DOB!!!

Michael

October 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm

phil

October 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm

But in this often unusual and inconsistent Braves season, it happened. Locke allowed only one run and two hits (albeit with five walks) in six inning and the Braves mustered nothing against the bullpen in a 2-1 loss.
*************
First, Dave calls us denizens, then this hate?

Terrible. ;-)

Thanks for the good work.

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
Tonight’s lineup at PIT (7:05, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Pastornicky 4 Simmons 6 Overbay 3 Ross 2 Francisco 5 Baker 9 Constanza 7 Hanson 1

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm

I love a good “First!” post… when it’s third.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm

Dave called us denizens…..

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
3:18 pm

I bet that lineup puts up 8+ runs tonight.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:18 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
Tonight’s lineup at PIT (7:05, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Pastornicky 4 Simmons 6 Overbay 3 Ross 2 Francisco 5 Baker 9 Constanza 7 Hanson 1

Wow

cricket

October 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm

Again, your argument is like so many others: Because perfection is impossible, MLB shouldn’t bother trying to do better.

no, my comment has absolutely nothing to do with it. look at it again. it is entirely in response to your following idiotic statement that seems to discount the concept of postseason-

The postseason is entirely for fun (and money)

i am pretty sure you understand that my comment had nothing to do with “Because perfection is impossible, MLB shouldn’t bother trying to do better” nonsense. but based on my observation of your behavior here from the beginning, you will never admit to even simple misunderstanding of a comment, as IMO you do not have a single honest bone in you, at least when you are posting here. you will off course prefer to post the same drivel one millionth time again, though it has nothing to do with my comment.

ok, time for shower. be back on friday, when the game(s) will actually matter.

RC

October 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm

Somewhat surprised Simmons is playing, but I guess he needs to get as many ABs as possible in since he missed so much time with injuries.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm

Pastornicky 2nd, I like… with he was playing SS. Simmons 3rd surprise me. Overbay cleanup? Mercy. Ross 5… meh. Would have preferred Juan to hit 4th, but that’s nitpicking.

Bad enough Constanza is in it! :D

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm

Thanks, DOB. Yeah, nice exposing the hypocrisy of the Cardinals “not wanting to celebrate getting into the WC play-in game.”
BTW, they haven’t clinched yet. I’m no fan of the Dodgers, but I do like Karma, and I hope Karma helps the Dodgers overtake STL.

Efrim

October 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm

Hope to see the regulars sprinkled in a bit over these last two games. Three days off is too much, as Fredi said.

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm

we will score 8 runs….

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm

Thanks for the work DOB.

GO BRAVES!!

ncscoots

October 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm

I bet that lineup puts up 8+ runs tonight.

That would be “a meaningless 8+ runs”. :-)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm

we will score 8 runs….

You mean tonight, or Friday?

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm

Like the lineup. Maybe should be the lineup Friday if the Cardinals throw a lefty. ;)

By the way for all the people suggesting Angel Pagan will be cheap. Is ESPN the Magazine has him listed at 13-16 million a year, then you can bet GMs have him at that value as well. The article even says Pagan is more valuable than Bourn.

ncscoots

October 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm

Man, this is a sucky website for performance. What have the nerds done to this thing?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm

ncscoots…
I blame the Chinese.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm

Wonder if Fredi will be letting the regulars PH and finish the games… if we score 8 runs with this offense, let these guys start the playin!

ncscoots

October 2nd, 2012
3:29 pm

The article even says Pagan is more valuable than Bourn.

That ripping you hear is the sound of cred being shredded.

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm

Pagan ≠ Bourn

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
3:31 pm

Braves lineup: Bourn cf, Pastornicky 2b, Simmons ss, Overbay 1b, Ross c, Francisco 3b, Baker rf, Constanza lf, Hanson p

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
3:31 pm

yeah scoots, I’ve been having trouble with the site most all day. lose it completely at times. worst site I use

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:33 pm

I think they let the traditionalists take over… take the site back to the Dark Ages…

REMLEY

October 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm

What was Bud Selieg’s excuse for not showing up at Chippers retirement ceremony?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm

Thanks for the lineup, DOB.
Braves are “bringin’ the House” tonight. LOL.

mrnatural

October 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm

Put up a 12-spot boys, I need my oil changed.

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm

Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .176 .300 .235 0.535 .260 ___74
Pastorn .111 .143 .148 0.291 .125 ___-6
Simmons .207 .273 .241 0.514 .240 ___66
Overbay .313 .371 .531 0.903 .388 __188
Ross___ .212 .229 .424 0.653 .270 __107
Francis .194 .219 .355 0.574 .245 ___82
Baker__ .231 .286 .269 0.555 .289 ___79
Biff___ .308 .400 .346 0.746 .354 __142
Hanson_ .000 .000 .000 0.000 .000 _-100

Yeah, I don’t think I’ll be tuning in for this…

DAP

October 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm

first!

am i close?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
3:37 pm

TnPaul,
Overbay .313 over his last 9 starts? Did I miss something? All I kept hearing about him was how bad he was at the plate.

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm

Shouldn’t our backup catcher be playing?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm

Pastorn .111 .143 .148 0.291 .125 ___-6

Pastornicky’s last 9 starts go back to what, May? :lol: Overbay hasn’t hit since coming to ATL…

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm

Good news for Braves in playoffs is that they most likely will not have to face either:
a) a journeyman lefty with an ERA north of 6
b) a rookie they have never seen before

Bring on the former CY winners and current CY candidates.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm

“So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

33rd

phil

October 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm

Look at those numbers for the starters…..sheesh.

The local little league could outplay this bunch.

Fire FG!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm

navyvol: Those numbers only include their starts. Overbay hasn’t started yet as a Brave, so his horrid numbers with us don’t count

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm

(Be honestly – didn’t some of you folks wish he’d lost once rather than go into the postseason with so much attention focused on the otherworldly streaks and numbers he’s put up?)

Not really… I’m enjoying the streak. I want it to last as long as possible. He’s already made the record, anything else is gravy.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm

PDOG

October 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm

I would like to see the Braves get Sheets a few innings in either of the next two games to see what he has.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm

Enjoyed the read, David. Gracias

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm

“The article even says Pagan is more valuable than Bourn.”
**********************

Myself and others have felt that way for a long time.

Fly On The Wall

October 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm

Let’s get em tonite boyz….Go My Bravos!!!

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

yeah scoots, I’ve been having trouble with the site most all day. lose it completely at times. worst site I use

Are you guys getting the server error page? I get it at least five or six times an hour, depending on how many times I hit refresh.

I guess the AJC doesn’t want me on the forum viewing the cornucopia of advertising they put in front of me.

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm

this denizen say’s mucho appreciado
GO BRAVOS LOCOS

jim

October 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

The Ovrbay numbers must go back to a previous team or AAA. They certainly don’t include his pinch hitting numbers. I recall maybe 1 previous start with the Braves.

Win One For The Chipper

October 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

With Overbay getting some at bats tonight, I’m guessing that ole Ski won’t be on the roster come Friday night

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm

The posts which don’t make it through?

The ones which complain about how stinking slow and awful this site has been lately…

That, and jokes about Bowman… I think there is a correlation here…

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
3:58 pm

Server error or just takes forever to reload

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
3:59 pm

I’m guessing that ole Ski won’t be on the roster come Friday night

Yeah, his Atlanta days are ending real quick.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
3:59 pm

Braves lineup vs. Kevin Correia…

Bourn- 5 for 17, 1 HR .294/.429/.471/.899
Pastornicky- 1 for 2, 1 double 1 RBI .500/.500/1.000/1.500
Simmons- Never faced
Overbay- 2 for 4 .500/.600/.500/1.100 No Ks!!!!
Ross- 2 for 10, 1 double .200/.273/.300/.573
Francisco- Never faced
Baker- 2 for 6 .333/.333/.833/1.167 3 Ks!!!
Constanza- Never faced
Hanson- Never faced

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm

That looks real close to the lineups proposed by us on the blog yesterday when the talk was about a rain out game being re-scheduled for Wed night or Thurs.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

October 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm

Be honestly – didn’t some of you folks wish he’d lost once rather than go into the postseason with so much attention focused on the otherworldly streaks and numbers he’s put up?

I’ve been going back and forth over that one, yes…I didn’t WANT him to lose, but…egads, better once during the season than once during the WC play-inwhatever…

It’s a complicated emotion, to be sure.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm

Murph – yes, numerous ones….

And Mark Bowman is as fat as a little butterball….someone might want to suggest a diet and some running before he greatly regrets it.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm

I’m guessing that ole Ski won’t be on the roster come Friday night

Yeah, his Atlanta days are ending real quick.

I’m shocked he’s not in the lineup tonight… thought Constanza or Reed would play CF and he’d go to LF.

jim

October 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm

If the Yankees are home tonight, they will probably be rained out. The AL playof picture will likely go down to the last day and maybe beyond.

ncscoots

October 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm

Are you guys getting the server error page?

Occasionally. Mainly, just poor structure on the loading mechanisms, I reckon. Plus cinesport is probably the worst link to ever hit a web page. I haven’t looked, but my guess is that there are a whole boatload of trackers and cookies being dropped (and probably synchronously instead of async). That’s just stuff I can come up with without doing any investigating, at all.

Probably much worse than I imagine, LOL. When you kitchen-sink one of these puppies (as newspaper companies are prone to do), you’re bound to get some sewer backup eventually. But this has become pretty bad, almost to the point of unusable.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm

DOB, any idea why the blog forums are running so horribly lately? Did the AJC just upgrade the software or something?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm

Correction to my 4:02… the numbers I posted for Bourn are actually Uggla’s numbers. Bourn’s numbers are below…

4-13 .308/.400/.308/.708

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm

Thanks for clearing that up, TOBF.

ryan

October 2nd, 2012
4:10 pm

Why not Hinski we all no Overbay cant hit .What’s he got one hit in how many at bats.But Braves like guys like that see Norton as Cox liked him.

Lane Kiffin

October 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm

Jack wilson is retiring where is his party and gifts.

Lane Kiffin

October 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm

we know it too.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Sheets will start tomorrow. He will try to pitch a couple innings

Good. It’s been a while.

Russell Bell

October 2nd, 2012
4:16 pm

Anyone who is a fan of Baroness – they have posted an updated regarding their tour bus crash in Britain. First 4-5 paragraphs are riveting.

http://baronessmusic.com/update-from-baroness/

Lane Kiffin

October 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm

Good for sheets.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm

Who gives a rat’s big ole butt who plays the next 2 days?

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:21 pm

I wish Teheran was starting instead of Sheets. Sheets is gone in a few days, Teheran hopefully not.

Shaun

October 2nd, 2012
4:21 pm

no, my comment has absolutely nothing to do with it. look at it again. it is entirely in response to your following idiotic statement that seems to discount the concept of postseason-

My point is simply that the postseason shouldn’t do so much to negate a team’s regular season, because the regular season is 162 games and 6 months long.

The Yankees, Orioles, Rangers and A’s will all have won more games than the Tigers over the course of 162 games and 6 months. Yet, two of those teams will face a tougher path to the World Series and one of those teams will be eliminated before the Tigers ever play a postseason game in 2012.

Now I realize that if MLB is to have a postseason, you run the risk of a team that wins more in the regular season losing out to a team that won less. That’s part of the fun of the postseason. But MLB shouldn’t focus so much on the postseason that they negate what teams have done over 162 games and 6 months of the regular season.

I agree that it’s hard to imagine Hinske earning a spot on the postseason roster over Overbay. Too bad for Hinske. I think he’s the quintessential Frank Wren type player.

I view 2010 as the first Frank Wren team, symbolically, and Hinske was one of the somewhat unsung, yet notable acquisitions, a guy that can hit and can (or at least could) play multiple positions.

Wren is going to get value out of his roster spots when he feels he has a team that can do something and Hinske is one of those acquisitions that made that apparent.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:22 pm

Who gives a rat’s big ole butt who plays the next 2 days?

I’m a pout pout fish,
With a pout pout face,
And I spread the dreary wearies,
All over the place.

Blub, bluuuuub, bluuuuuuuuuuub

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm

Plus cinesport is probably the worst link to ever hit a web page

Yep.

flange1

October 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm

phil

October 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm

damn right…

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm

wow that dude from baroness had a Jimmy Buffet moment

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
4:27 pm

Finally in Pittsburgh, long drive to see Overbay and Baker :)

RBrave

October 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm

They had better start to get a few hits or they won’t be here past Friday ! Go Braves get freakin hit or two and take some pressure off of those pitchers

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm

Nice view from the 8th floor – I look out and see PNC right across the street.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:29 pm

Is it raining there yet Kat?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:29 pm

better than overpaying for a baker…

MIdtown

October 2nd, 2012
4:30 pm

A healthy McCann would have been such a potent weapon in that lineup. It’s too bad we’ve lost him to a slump/injury. Hopefully he’s got something left in the tank before the season is over.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:30 pm

and it’s a Hanson start too. Yikes! Start drinking lol

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
4:32 pm

Finally in Pittsburgh, long drive

Wow. Quick. You had 200+ miles just a few minutes ago.

Tomahawk Mafia

October 2nd, 2012
4:32 pm

That lineup looks like trouble. Especially on a night where Tommy Hanson is pitching.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
Tomorrow will be Ben Sheets’ last career appearance. He said he will not ever pitch again. This was an inspiring comeback by a great guy

It ends here… great try by the guy

Lane Kiffin

October 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm

Hoping to see Uggla break out in this WC game.

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm

Murph – rained the whole way here, not raining now, mostly cloudy w/ some sun shining through. Looks like isolated t-storms tonight.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm

About the lineup… cruel, but funny! (and true?)

Josh S______ ‏@Im______
This Is The Type Of Lineup That Tommy Hanson Starts Deserve.

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
4:36 pm

Couch Tatern- 200 miles ago was at 12:13 that was a while ago hah.

MIdtown

October 2nd, 2012
4:38 pm

I believe Jack Wilson was watching the game in the stands last night.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
4:39 pm

So Sheets is retiring….well dadgum.

I hate to see him go. The guy really helped us and laid it on the line for the games he was able to pitch.

He was a big part of us getting where we are….

Thank you, Ben!!

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
4:39 pm

Kat – Put a set of scroll wheels on yer car before you head back home. whoooosh.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:40 pm

Kat, are you headed to Primanti Brothers for a sandwich? If you do, post some pics. DOB didn’t acknowledge our request for a Primanti Brothers visit/picture.

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
4:41 pm

95-67 ? bring it home

JC Boscan III

October 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm

Which is more likely tonight — the Braves get 2 hits and get shut out, or to shock everyone with 7 runs?

Regarding Overbay, as bad as he’s looked as a pinch-hitter, he’s had 1 4-hit game this year and four 3-hit games with Arizona. As a Brave, he did get a start in Milwaukee, and went 0-3. But, he got robbed of a double to deep RC late in that game. That’s probably the only ball he’s really hit well since joining the Braves.

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm

Murph-went there last time I was here. Very good. There is one at the park but I think I’m gonna snag some BBQ today..or maybe tomorrow …or maybe both days haha.

abby normal

October 2nd, 2012
4:44 pm

Glad to see the Braves make the post season, but I really HATE this one game play-in BS. It’s like saying the Braves’ five or six game lead in the wild card means nothing. If MLB wants a second wild card team at least make the play-in two out of three.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:44 pm

Which is more likely tonight — the Braves get 2 hits and get shut out, or to shock everyone with 7 runs?

Well, they get 2 hits and shutout with the regular lineup, so I’d say it’s more likely that they break out with 7 runs.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
4:49 pm

Exactly….look for 10 runs, 13 hits, 2 errors, both on Flabsisco….

A good night upcoming.

MIdtown

October 2nd, 2012
4:51 pm

“Be honestly – didn’t some of you folks wish he’d lost once rather than go into the postseason with so much attention focused on the otherworldly streaks and numbers he’s put up?”

That’s what I was thinking when Meds gave up the Solano homer and the lead last Tuesday. He just about lost that one, but Freddie had to spoil it with his walkoff job.

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
4:55 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
RHP Kris Medlen has been selected as the National League Pitcher of the Month for September.

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:55 pm

I worry less about the Medlen streak continuing than I do (did) about a win streak continuing. Had the Braves swept the Pirates I would be way more worried going in to Friday… the team just doesn’t do long winning streaks.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
4:57 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
The award is the 2nd-straight POM for Medlen, who also won in Aug. He ranked 1st in MLB with 46 K, 3rd in the NL with 43 IP and T3rd in wins

Minor was pretty good too, maybe even better. Gotta check the stats.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:03 pm

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
Kris Medlen named NL pitcher of the month for Sept after winning Aug. too, 1st #Brave since Maddux to win two in a season (June, July 2001)

Told y’all he’s the next Maddux…

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm

Off to the park. Everyone enjoy the game.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
Kimbrel went 3-0 with a 0.00 ERA over 13 scoreless apps in Sept while converting 10-of-10 save opps and allowing just 6 H and 2 BB with 25 K

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
RHP Craig Kimbrel has been selected as the Major League Baseball Delivery Man of the Month for September.

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
5:07 pm

2 straight POM as a starter + body of work in relief = at least name in conversation for CY

Probably cannot win. But I could see a top 5 finish for both Medlen & Kimbrel. You got 2 20 game winners & Cueto. Outside those 3, I do not know who else belongs there.

TennesseePaul

October 2nd, 2012
5:09 pm

Am I correct in stating that MLB TV revenues are split equally between all teams? So when MLB, FOX, ESPN and TBS announce new contracts, it means each team gets roughly 1/30th of the contract?

FOX and TBS signed on for about $800M a year.
ESPN signed on for about $700M a year.

That’s a total of about $1.5B a year in TV revenues for years 2014-2021. So if they do divvy that up evenly, that’s about $50M a year per team. The old ESPN contract is half the new one, if the FOX, TBS is similar, the amount has doubled… Not that that will give ATL a competitive advantage, but it’s just more salt in the wounds of payroll limits.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:10 pm

Minor: 5 starts, 31 IP. He went 4-0, the team was 4-1 in his starts. Allowed 13 Hits, 3 runs (all earned), 1HR, 28Ks, and 9BBs. 0.87 ERA and a .129/.205/.208/.413 oppo. line.

Medlen: 6 starts, 43 IP. He went 4-0, and the team was 6-0 in his starts. Allowed 26 Hits, 8 runs (6 earned), 4 HR, 46Ks, and 5BB. 1.26 ERA and a .169/.195/.279/.474 oppo. line.

Both would have been good choices, and I’m sure Medlen making history helped a bit.

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
5:12 pm

This is the offense that Tommy Hanson’s pitching deserves. Match made in heaven! :)

northbeach Scott

October 2nd, 2012
5:14 pm

Wonder when the last time a Braves pitcher won back to back POM? Smotlz in 1996 CY year, Maddux, Glavine? Curious.

Also, has Kimbrel won Delivery Man of the Month in 2013 or 2012? Sorry, limited data access as I am at 36,000 ft.

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:15 pm

Hey Dave, since Medlin is the only pitcher to win the pitcher of the month 2 times this year, does that automatically make him the NL pitcher of the year?

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
5:16 pm

TennPaul – That’s what I understood. 1/30.

Of course, the accounting method hasn’t been determined. heh

Bigwheel

October 2nd, 2012
5:17 pm

Its been reported Sheets plans on retiring after the season. So if he pitches well tomorrow, does he get a spot on the DLS if we make it?

northbeach Scott

October 2nd, 2012
5:18 pm

If it turns out that Russ Ortiz, Bob Wickman or Dan Kolb is the last 2 consecutive POM winner, I will toss my cookies.

Blake

October 2nd, 2012
5:20 pm

This team Isn’t hitting….what makes us think the playoffs will be any different?….they will only press harder and swing at bad pitches and get theirselves out…..I hate 2B negative but that Is the trend….

Bob Wickman's navel lint

October 2nd, 2012
5:20 pm

burp! I didn’t win sh*t. Pass the potatoes, willya, punk?

Tumbledown

October 2nd, 2012
5:20 pm

Uh oh. Now it is time for the Ben Sheets Retirement Tour. Ok, it may not be quite the same. Seriously, I was hoping he would be able to continue his career next year.

Brian from SC

October 2nd, 2012
5:20 pm

Its been reported Sheets plans on retiring after the season. So if he pitches well tomorrow, does he get a spot on the DLS if we make it?

No.

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm

Blake-

In the playoffs it’s ok to get thereselves out becuase it’s about small ball and sacrifice bunts to try to manufacture runs. Not worried about it.

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
5:22 pm

Medlen wins NL Pitcher of the Month for second consecutive month. That’s highly unusual. Then, so is everything he’s done since moving to rotation….

Sheets will start tomorrow, his 250th career start, then likely retire. Has told some he’s retiring, though Braves officials haven’t been told yet.

AZBravoFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:23 pm

DOB:
To be honest, I’d rather the 2nd wildcard NOT go to a playoff Thursday. I understand there’s a lot of travel involved, and maybe spending another pitcher. However, these are the scenarios that make for October “us against the world” magic moments. Especially when the Cardinals are involved. We don’t need the Cards coming in here all high off an exciting do or die game. I fear they could roll us. Maybe not, but I’d rather the Cards lose the last 2 and have the Dodgers lose on the last day to back the Cards in.

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
5:24 pm

Heck Chipper is retiring, doesn’t mean the guy can’t still play. Would love to see Sheets get a playoff start. If Tommy Hanson is going to get a playoff start, I’d rather Sheets start in his place.

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:24 pm

AZBravoFan – LOL

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:26 pm

MFin04 – LOL

AZBravoFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:26 pm

I assume Minor was in the picture for POM? Oh, and as for Medlen’s roll, I’m glad he hasn’t lost. It’s not like he’s on one of those Jurrjens “play with fire every night” rolls that’s bound to implode any second. Dude has been dominating since he took the ball, and I so no reason barring injury why it should stop.

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:28 pm

AZBravoFan – I bet Miner’s 4.12 ERA hurt his case with the voters this month.

Dum-Bass

October 2nd, 2012
5:33 pm

OK, OK, let’s get this straight once and for all, and I am including myself, so don’t jump on me. Everybody, even DOB, is doing this, and he should know better. My 10th grade English teacher, bless her heart, would be proud of me for doing this. (Only one who ever gave me all A’s) It is not Wild Card, nor wild card, nor wild-card, or even Wildcard. It is simply wildcard. Not capitalized and not hyphenated. Based on this article DOB can’t make up his mind which it is either. I’ seen him use it several different ways. It’s driving me crazy because it’s being used so much now, and usually differently by everybody. OK, class dismissed!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:34 pm

AZBravoFan – I bet Miner’s 4.12 ERA hurt his case with the voters this month.

That shouldn’t matter… his stats for September were stellar.

Bream Is My Homie

October 2nd, 2012
5:35 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan – Yeah but in order to be a great pitcher for one month you have to be a great pitcher for more months or else it’s just a fluke. Voters take that into account.

Dum-Bass

October 2nd, 2012
5:37 pm

Honestly, I did type a “ve” after that I’ and it was showing when I hit submit. It just disappeared for some reason (karma maybe?) I read it over twice because I knew some “eagle eyes” would try to find something to pin on me.

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
5:37 pm

Tumbledown

October 2nd, 2012
5:38 pm

Dum-bass – Not capitalized and not hyphenated.

Something tells me that your English teachers would have a problem with the above sentence. Of course, nearly all my posts would draw her ire, too.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:40 pm

<em.Ben Maller ‏@benmaller
$474,771,082 total amount Philadelphia Phillies, Los Angeles Angels, Boston Red Sox spent on 2012 payroll to NOT make MLB playoffs.

:D

Brian

October 2nd, 2012
5:40 pm

Have tickets to tomorrows game, but have a 280 mile drive. Based on tonights lineup, I dont think I will waste time/gas to drive down. Anyon thing the regulars might play?

Blake

October 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm

@Bream Is My Homie …do you really think their will be any clutch hitting In the playoffs facing top tier pitchers?…..I don’t….Even If you play small ball you have to have a clutch hit or a fly ball….they strike out too much…..

berigan2electricboogaloo

October 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm

Kat, great pic of PNC! I hear it’s one of the best stadiums, hope I can go there some day…

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:42 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan – Yeah but in order to be a great pitcher for one month you have to be a great pitcher for more months or else it’s just a fluke. Voters take that into account.

He’s been pretty good since July. 2.21 ERA since July 1

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
5:43 pm

There are as many ways to punctuate wildCard as there are ways to spell Midlen Medlin Medlan Medlun Medlon Medlyn Medlen.

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm

a question…overbay can play catcher?

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:45 pm

wow hinskie are completly forgotten …uhf

DAP

October 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm

theonlybravesfan $474,771,082 total amount Philadelphia Phillies, Los Angeles Angels, Boston Red Sox spent on 2012 payroll to NOT make MLB playoffs.

alot of that is on the same players, too.

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm

we have a very deep bench for sure…I hope the starting lineup rest before THAT game

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:50 pm

so in the division series could be: hudson – minor – maholms – medlen…(keep hanson in a long relieve spot)…I like it…

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
5:53 pm

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Interesting comparison: #Dodgers’ Kershaw since ASG: 7-4, 2.18 ERA. #Braves’ Minor: 6-4, 2.16. Both have made 14 starts.

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
5:54 pm

“(keep hanson in a long relieve spot)”

Keep Hanson as a cheerleader.

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:55 pm

sheets deserves a spot in the bullpen to…why not?

mpimentel

October 2nd, 2012
5:57 pm

hehehehehe…..yeah right Heisenberg , I doubt hanson can move his colita as a cheerleader…now serious please give him a break!

Lew

October 2nd, 2012
5:58 pm

Why not Sheets in the pen? P{robably the same reason they haven’t played him since coming off the DL – Dude’s apparently running on his final fumes – Glad he’s getting a final start in a game that is basically meaningless, but let’s not push the feel good too far.

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
6:01 pm

Sheets says he’s “100 percent” sure that tomorrow will be his last game of career. Said he’s ready to be a full-time dad again.

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
6:01 pm

Just met Chipper’s parents. Supe nice ppl.

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
6:02 pm

Forgive me if it;s been posted, but Jayson Stark has some good thoughts on the AL MVP:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8450155/mike-trout-buster-posey-rest-2012-award-winners-mlb

Heisenberg

October 2nd, 2012
6:03 pm

that is it for today

Dum-Bass

October 2nd, 2012
6:09 pm

You’re right, TUMBLEDOWN. She would have said, “Young man, you need to buy a comma. They are your best friends!” She was a quadriplegic but had an IQ way up there. Very keen mind. You’re pretty good also, to have spotted that.

jim

October 2nd, 2012
6:12 pm

There is no need for Hanson to be on the playoff roster at all. There will be no need for a 5th starter, and we’d be better off with an extra bullpen arm. 7 relievers — Kimbrel, EOF,Venters, Avilan, Durbin, and choose 2 (Gearrin, Moylan, Martinez) or take all 3.

South Bound And Down

October 2nd, 2012
6:15 pm

They better shift focus to hitting the ball!

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
6:17 pm

Jayson Stark has some good thoughts on the AL MVP:

uh…How about the NL Cy Young?

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
6:17 pm

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm

Couch Tater-

Haven’t gotten that far yet :)

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
6:20 pm

DOB, any idea why the blog forums are running so horribly lately? Did the AJC just upgrade the software or something? — Murph

Yes, and it’s not working well so far. I have the same problems with the dial-up-like speed that you’re having, particularly when trying to load a new blog or go back and look at comments, etc.

braves-falcons-hawks

October 2nd, 2012
6:27 pm

Does anybody know at what time the Braves game is on friday??????

JesusHChristo

October 2nd, 2012
6:28 pm

I can’t seem to find a straight answer on this…

…If we win Friday night, do we know when our first Home Game will be? I keep hearing different days and the MLB Post Season schedule shows multiple days. Also, some are saying that Home Field Advantage does not mean the series starts in that city this year….True?

eric

October 2nd, 2012
6:31 pm

i just have 2 questions that no one ever seems to ask… whats up with chipper always wearing the mock turtle neck???.. and how is his “out of wedlock” relationship???

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
6:31 pm

JesusHChristo-

If we win on Friday, Game 1 of the NLDS will be Sunday in Atlanta. Game 2 would be (I believe) Monday, also in Atlanta.

braves-falcons-hawks

October 2nd, 2012
6:32 pm

jesusHCHRISTO: if the braves win friday they will play game 1 and 2 at the ted this year is a little different

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
6:33 pm

JesusHChristo-

And no, technically we would not have home field advantage because games 3-5 would be on the road. But having the first 2 games at home (for this year only- the format changes next season) is an advantage in my view

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
6:38 pm

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
6:39 pm

Kat @ 5:37

Nice pic, thanks. I see Heap at the batting cage. How did he look in BP?

brian

October 2nd, 2012
6:42 pm

love that Sheets was able to come back to the majors and make an impact, even if it was brief. I hope he has a great last start then enjoys being a full time dad. Injuries did shorten a promising career but it is nice to see he can retire on his terms.

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
6:42 pm

Fredi said Braves might carry 16 position players and 9 pitchers for Wild Card game, instead of 15/10 original plan. Would allow to pinch run for catcher early, etc.

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
6:43 pm

Bat – Play Golf?

brian

October 2nd, 2012
6:45 pm

tomorrow is the great debate about whether or not to play the regulars. I would give most of them at least an at bat or two to stay sharp. Then if they want to rest, let them rest. Having the day completely off and not hitting in 4 days will not help them come Friday

brian

October 2nd, 2012
6:48 pm

so the Braves can adjust their roster from the Wild Card play in game to the NLDS series if they win….

If so there is no reason to carry a bunch of starting pitchers for a one game series. Even a 5 game series, I would carry more position players.

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
6:48 pm

Fredi plans to start regular lineup tomorrow, give those guys one or two at-bats. Hinske will come in today, Bourn probably only getting couple of at-bats and Constanza will go to center.

Carolina Gent

October 2nd, 2012
6:49 pm

IF we should happen to win on Friday, can we collectively pray for a rainout for the Monday game, given the team’s lousy Monday record??

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
6:49 pm

Tater_

Yeah, but not lately.

Carolina Gent

October 2nd, 2012
6:50 pm

Obviously Fredi is listening to Brian for his 6:45 post!

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
6:52 pm

Obviously Fredi is listening to Brian for his 6:45 post!

Fredi IS brian

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
6:57 pm

Couch Tater-

:D I actually prefer my trout fresh caught, lightly battered, and fried with the skin on. Or grilled. Fresh Rainbow Trout is tasty!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
6:57 pm

9 pitchers… hopefully that means CMart is left off and not an extra starter (Minor)

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
6:58 pm

OK, OK, let’s get this straight once and for all, and I am including myself, so don’t jump on me. Everybody, even DOB, is doing this, and he should know better. My 10th grade English teacher, bless her heart, would be proud of me for doing this. (Only one who ever gave me all A’s) It is not Wild Card, nor wild card, nor wild-card, or even Wildcard. It is simply wildcard. Not capitalized and not hyphenated. Based on this article DOB can’t make up his mind which it is either. I’ seen him use it several different ways. It’s driving me crazy because it’s being used so much now, and usually differently by everybody. OK, class dismissed!,,,Dum

all that ink just to be wrong. a wildcard is like a one-eyed jack. Baseball calls it a Wild Card

jeffrey d

October 2nd, 2012
7:00 pm

What an odd thing to rant about.

And while we’re at it, what the heck is it with apostrophies in peoples’ last names??

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
7:00 pm

16 position players? I thought we had only 15 already before Janish got hurt…

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
7:01 pm

View from tonight. Center behind home plate. I’m a special section next to the camera . Awesome view. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2433/imag1755.jpg

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:02 pm

Rainbow and Steelhead trout are actually part of the Salmon family

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
7:03 pm

And I was wrong… damn. We have 17 position players not couting Janish. Someone will still be left off

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:03 pm

good pic Kat. thanx

Brian

October 2nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Kat, heading down for tomorrow’s game. We’re in section 117, behind home plate. Thanks for a preview of seats near us!

JesusHChristo

October 2nd, 2012
7:08 pm

Okay – so my tickets for Home Game #1 at the Ted will be Sunday… If we win Friday…

…Thanks!

……Wild Card! (for you nolie ;p)

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:09 pm

might be hard to decide who is too worthless to include considering the plethora of candidates

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
7:11 pm

nolie – I car’d bout the wild, but the Series Club wunt take me.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:13 pm

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
7:15 pm

Marte….

Sweet!

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

I hope they light Big Red :roll: UP!

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

Brian.. I’m one level up in the 200s

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

How nice, check swing double

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm

go to hell , fool

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

That’s just weird, Mixxo

iloveproofreading

October 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

“Be honestly”…does the AJC have copy editors?

ChipperisGod

October 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm

Fredi should start the starters tomorrow. Whoever he’s planning on starting for the WC game needs to play tomorrow. No way do you give people three days off as he said. At least some at bats by the regulars need to happen tomorrow. Give em a couple of bats and then take them out. Gotta get the offense going. Bourn is hitting well, so is Prado and Uggla, but everyone else is stumbling and scuffling. Good to see Heyward square a ball up last night though. Uggla should DEFINITELY PLAY unless his thumb is still giving him issues. What is it with the Braves this year and their fingers? Two head first slides and some glass in a cooler.

It would be horrible, I don’t want to ever see us lose, but a tiny part of me wanted the streak to end before the postseason. However, I think Medlen will be fine. Just gotta keep doing what he’s been doing. Hopefully those solid numbers against Lohse continue for the offense because you gotta think with the way the Cardinals have been swinging the bat that they’re going to score at least two runs. I hope Meds shuts them out, but he is hittable, and a little more so lately than he was in the middle of this streak.

He can ill afford to start against the Cardinals the way he started against the Mets. Once the third started, he was sharp, but he’s gotta be that sharp the entire time he’s out there. I’m sure he will be. He’s fearless, ferocious and pitches his BEST against top tier teams. He made the Nats offense, which I think is the bets in the NL, to one run in two starts. He’s a freak, he’ll keep it up.

Get everyone a couple of at bats tomorrow and then yank them. And start Ross in the WC game! Mac is just way to banged up and hardly plays anymore. He’s not getting enough reps to be ready for the postseason. I know he’s our guy, but he has so many injuries that he just can’t function at a high level right now.

If you rest him three days and then play him Friday, he might lay an egg. I don’t know, we need our BEST players out there on Friday.

I say:

1. Bourn
2. Prado
3. Heyward
4. Chipper
5. Freddie
6. Uggla
7. Simmons
8. Ross
9. Medlen

Rossy has been clutch this year, that homer off Lee. The homer on Sunday. He’s had plenty of moments this year where he’s shined. I can’t think of the last time McCann played well consistently since July. He had an absolutely torrid stretch, but since then that cist and whatever else is going on in that shoulder is just killing him. I almost want to say put Uggla in the three hole given his good work of late, and his good numbers against Lohse. But part of me also says, you gotta dance with the one who got you here. Heyward’s been cold overall though.

I do not envy the job of Fredi right now. I’ll be back at some point.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:23 pm

Scared of Overbay

ryan

October 2nd, 2012
7:24 pm

Wanted to see Teheran pitch tomorrow who the hell cares if Sheets gets another loss.Hope we can sign Greinke and trade Hanson and MaHolm.Overbay is a piece of crap that will make playoff roster.

Pete

October 2nd, 2012
7:24 pm

The Braves are totally hopeless when they get behind 1-0. They quit. They have no fight in them. All season long their come from behind wins were miniscule……………………pathetic.
Come this Friday they better jump out to a 3-0 start or it’s off to the golf course on Sat.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:27 pm

The Braves led the league in come from behind wins, Pete.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:29 pm

Hit one out big man

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:30 pm

Hey PETE, switch to CLUELESS will ya’?

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:31 pm

I’m sure glad Chip told me how big a pickup Francisco has bee.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:32 pm

Come on, uh, what’s your name

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:34 pm

I would say HANSOIN is pitching for a spot on next season’s 25-man. I hope he rests up and comes out of the gate with a new delivery.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:35 pm

nolie:

Well if CHIP JONES likes him……

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
7:37 pm

I so want Ross to get the start over Mac but it’s not going to happen. If Mac is 0-2 or 0-3….in a tight game, I’d love to see FG acknowledge that by giving Ross an opportunity. He’s earned it.

SCBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
7:37 pm

Seriously, is there any reason for Hanson to be on *ANY* post season roster…WC, NLDS, NLCS, WS???

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:38 pm

Mac woulda thrown him out!!!

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
7:39 pm

ncbravesfan90

October 2nd, 2012
7:39 pm

Can we manufacture runs like that?

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:39 pm

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
7:40 pm

“Can we manufacture runs like that?”

lol

Not likely……especially lately. :(

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:40 pm

good thing we don’t play in the central

Gil In Mechanicsville

October 2nd, 2012
7:43 pm

If the Braves add Tommy Hanson to their post season roster as anything other than someone to hold the rest of the starters’ hats, they are completely out of touch with reality .

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:43 pm

I don’t care what tonight’s score ends up being. I just want that GEICO caveman-looking heap on the bump for the BRAVES to go seven and not burn up the pen. It’s o.k. with me if he has to throw 250 pitches and loses 38-0.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:43 pm

Come on, Biff!!

ryan

October 2nd, 2012
7:44 pm

Good chance we get no hit tonight with are worthless bench. I”d really spend my money to watch these guys bat.No Francisco will not make a sarting 3rd baseman.Overbay ,Baker and Constanza dont even think about them next year.Hanson your piece of crap tought you were going to stop them from stealing this year . I say trade him but who would want the big dummy that throws 88 MPH. Enough off this game has to be something better to watch like spong bob.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:46 pm

A GIL sighting! My main man…..how’s tricks? Still want to lunch over your way? Or a three=peat at O’TOOLE’S

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:46 pm

Yay, a sacrifice hit

Steal third, Biff

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm

ChipperisGod

October 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm

Hey Pete, are you insane? What about when we were down 9-0 TO WASHINGTON, CAME BACK AND WON! If you think that’s a small margin to come back from then you are… words can’t describe what you are if you truly believe that. Four nothing to Washington as well. 7-1 to the Phillies and came back as well. Need I say more?

Postseason roster is too valuable @Gil. I agree, Hanson should not be out there.

George_George

October 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm

Repost for the evening folks
George_George

October 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
Good morning all
Sad night we just could not push across runs, all season long we wasted good pitching. BUT WAIT the season as a whole was pretty good we stayed in contention down to last three days of season. It was great and sad at the same time to watch CHIPPERS last season. Good to watch MEDLEN and MINOR develop and JASON improve, also FREDDY. Now two days of ST LINEUPS a loss Friday and we can relax and look for even better things next year, with our pitching it could happen.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:47 pm

So long, ryan

Turrible call

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:48 pm

BALLGAME!!!!!!!!

Gil In Mechanicsville

October 2nd, 2012
7:49 pm

Sure GCJ, Let’s shoot for next week, I am somewhat mobile again although not ready for Dancing With The Stars

Gil In Mechanicsville

October 2nd, 2012
7:50 pm

I’ll give you a call tomorrow

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:52 pm

I figgered folks were too high on Trumbo. caint remember who I got into it with this spring

George_George

October 2nd, 2012
7:53 pm

Enter your comments here

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
7:54 pm

Enter your comments here

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:55 pm

GIL:

Really!!!! Coulda’ fooled me.

Wednesday is the day this week without an 8:00 a.m. hospital or dr’s office call for my wife. I’ll be waiting for a jingle. Man, I can use a drink!

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:55 pm

I wasn’t sure I would ever see another Triple Crown

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:57 pm

Almost forgot I’m temporarily GCL. Soon be time to return to rich…….

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
7:57 pm

AZL start on the fourth

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:57 pm

tough to decide if Bat or George got the better of those comments….

truth teller

October 2nd, 2012
7:59 pm

Med will probably pitch well, but I doubt he will receive any support and the Cards will put together a few nickle and dimes for a couple of runs and everyone will turn to the Falcons.

Sopheee

October 2nd, 2012
8:00 pm

Lyle Lyle, the crocodile finally hit the ball.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
8:00 pm

I was cribbing off of George

:oops:

George_George

October 2nd, 2012
8:00 pm

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
7:57 pm
Just playing with mouse and pushed at wrong time.

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
8:03 pm

Atta boy, Juan

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
8:04 pm

someone should tweet Chip and tell him that Triple Crown winners have not always been MVPS

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
8:06 pm

Ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisco!!!

ncbravesfan90

October 2nd, 2012
8:06 pm

Dang this umpire is all over the place tonight with his strike zone….

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
8:08 pm

If JUAN ever exhales, and learns that the same rate of swing can net a HR as well as a single, the young man will becomes a very dangerous person with a bat in his hands.

His extra wiggle when he tries to muscle up takes a fraction of a second, and throws his balance and swing completely off.

Nice double there. Maybe GREG’s gettin’ through to him. Prolly should leave him off the post-season roster though….dontcha’ think?

George_George

October 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

Don’t know if I can stand the excitment.

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
8:09 pm

For those who understand and love WAR ;)

So if the Braves win tonight…does every Braves starter besides Bourn and Simmons…WAR drop by 1.0?!?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:11 pm

Hanson’s lucky that Bourn and Rev saved him in the 3rd… it could be worse. He’s doing okay, though. Keep it up.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 2nd, 2012
8:13 pm

HANSON’s pitching. I’m 99.2.

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
8:14 pm

Jack Wilson was just on with the Pirates guys. He seems like a really good guy- looking forward to being Dad.

Animus

October 2nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Speaking of Triple Crown and MVP – Ted Williams batted for the triple crown in 1942 and 1947. Both years he finished second in MVP voting!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:15 pm

Seriously, is there any reason for Hanson to be on *ANY* post season roster…WC, NLDS, NLCS, WS???

No… no need for him to be on the Braves roster next year either. Enjoy what’s possibly his last appearance as a Braves.

urban redneck

October 2nd, 2012
8:16 pm

wow. the bucs sure went all out for larry. maybe they should have gone with the parrot/eye patch/peg leg combo. he would have gotten more use out of them.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:18 pm

Gretchen Kaney ‏@GeeJayKaney
Braves postseason experience– Chipper Jones: 92 career games. Rest of team: 81 games.

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
8:19 pm

Speaking of Triple Crown and MVP – Ted Williams batted for the triple crown in 1942 and 1947. Both years he finished second in MVP voting…animus

yeah I talked about that yesterday

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:20 pm

Ghost: How does that work, the higher the number the “worse” it is? I’d bump that up to 104. Deathly sick.

Carl Farvman

October 2nd, 2012
8:21 pm

“Thanks, DOB. Yeah, nice exposing the hypocrisy of the Cardinals “not wanting to celebrate getting into the WC play-in game.”
BTW, they haven’t clinched yet. I’m no fan of the Dodgers, but I do like Karma, and I hope Karma helps the Dodgers overtake STL.”

What exactly does Karma apply to in this instance? The Cards, apparently, are just trying to sort though the whole concept of celebrating the right to play a game to see if they actually can participate in the playoffs. And this comes from a team that just won the WS. They simply don’t know what’s normal in this situation. When has there been a time when a team celebrated that it might be in the playoffs?..You shake hands on field and maybe bounce up a down like only baseball players can.

Animus

October 2nd, 2012
8:23 pm

Sorry nolie didn’t read the blog yesterday – did you mention Chuck Klein and Lou Gehrig also?

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:24 pm

*To Paul Simon’s Still Crazy…*

Still terrible with RISP.

:(

MFin04

October 2nd, 2012
8:24 pm

So if the Braves win tonight…does every Braves starter besides Bourn and Simmons…WAR drop by 1.0?!? Nothing? Really?

Tommy Hanson is making his audition for the post-season…official team bunter. Wow. Looking tremendous as a bunter tonight.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:25 pm

AN 0-3 with 2Ks sure doesn’t help Bourn

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
8:26 pm

I think the real Bourn took a day off too …. the one that’s in the lineup right now isn’t doing anything

Choptober

October 2nd, 2012
8:26 pm

Does any one know when they are announcing Friday nights wild card game time?

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
8:28 pm

A great comeback indeed, Joe.

Didn’t matter though, now did it?

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
8:29 pm

Works for me, Mixxo.

Great song, terrible offense.

nolie

October 2nd, 2012
8:29 pm

I thought it was Carl Farbman

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
8:30 pm

“Does any one know when they are announcing Friday nights wild card game time?”

probably tomorrow or Thursday

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:30 pm

That’s not what we needed. Ross is our PS starter. Told him to start Boscan!

HooRah

October 2nd, 2012
8:31 pm

you are unbelievably dumb Mitchell, and annoying as hell. i hope for your sake that you are no older than 15 or 16

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:32 pm

Hey guys–and gals..wonderful day; even better night—wow, what with Hanson on the hill and our Bravos in high gear. What’s not to like?

Oh by the way, I did not do a thing today…I totally mailed it in!

Sopheee

October 2nd, 2012
8:32 pm

Probably as soon as they know whether the Yanks won the division or wild card.

Sopheee

October 2nd, 2012
8:32 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:32 pm

Beautiful Hanson. Nice way to make a case to get on PS roster, and raise your trade value.

ncbravesfan90

October 2nd, 2012
8:32 pm

That’s what happens to an 87 MPH fastball in the big leagues…..

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:33 pm

Yes Sir Tommy–they love ya in Pittsburgh!

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:33 pm

On a high note, this may be Hanson’s last start as an Atlanta Brave. :cool:

He just got smoked again.

Choptober

October 2nd, 2012
8:34 pm

Thanks for the reply Fredo.. I know tbs shows the al game to start at 6:00 pm et. and the nl at 9:30 pm et. i hope it stays that way!

Animus

October 2nd, 2012
8:34 pm

Third time through the order – Hudson’s biggest problem all year.

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

It is hilarious…these announcers….Chirp and Joe, don’t really know what to say??????

Tommy (#7 starter) Hanson

October 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

So how does it feel to be soooo wrong about a big league pitcher’s potential?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
That was Jones’ 27th HR and the 27th Hanson has allowed this year. Hanson’s previous career high was 17.

Sigh..

Trey

October 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

Hanson really sucks. Oh well, we made it to the playoffs!

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:35 pm

Hudson too????

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
8:36 pm

I will not complain if this is the last game he’s pitched for us…….in fact this is the perfect place for him. A meaningless game while kids like Medlen prepare for the real deal.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
8:36 pm

what are the chances the Kansas City Braves see enough positive in Tommy to trade for him

Tommy (#7 starter) Hanson

October 2nd, 2012
8:37 pm

I bet we go through the Winter hearing from the Braves how Tommy and the coaching staff figured out a problem with Tommy’s mechanics and how he would be a beast in the Braves rotation in 2013?

Anyone want to dispute that?

N8

October 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm

Tommy Hanson is going to be a nice addition to some team’s bullpen in the near future. He’d be an excellent “Chard Durbin” for some non contender.

He’s gone from future ace and anchor of the Braves rotation to Kenshin Kawakami really fast.

How has this guy won 13 games this year?

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm

Fredo -

Hopefully high….as in ‘off the chart.’

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm

Somehow a GM will trade for this…. I sure hope so. Not really seeing it.

gcs

October 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm

Leave Hanson in there. Make him tough it out.
He won’t make the post-season roster anyway.

Sopheee

October 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm

Tom Hart must be really bored.

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm

5-1?

5 to f’ing 1?!

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm

lol@ the kid Tom’s talking to in the stands.

Kid’s a playa!

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:41 pm

Can someone tell me who that kid is? The recent interview on tube

Efrim

October 2nd, 2012
8:41 pm

Reds’ top prospect Billy Hamilton will move from shortstop to center field next season.

Yikes. A strong team will get even stronger. Stubbs will not be around there much longer.

Mesoraco, Votto, Phillips, Cozart, Frazier, Ludwick, B. Hamilton, Bruce – very good team.

bravofan

October 2nd, 2012
8:41 pm

The focus for the post season should be making sure hanson is not on the roster!! He is horrible right now! Please trade him we have enough pitchers to get by without him!

HooRah

October 2nd, 2012
8:41 pm

they did not misjudge Hanson all that much, he did pretty well until the middle of last season when he got hurt

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:42 pm

Lyle….flashing the lumber.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:42 pm

Overbay is looking better. And boy McCutchen can cover some ground

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
8:42 pm

You guys talk a big game…but I know you guys will all be hitting the sale rack for a cheap Hanson jersey this off season in the clubhouse store!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:43 pm

Trivia question: Bourn? Uggla?

Tommy (#7 starter) Hanson

October 2nd, 2012
8:44 pm

The kid is more entertaining than this game is. Funny interview. So the kid is playing the ladies and can figure out a hand brace, even though Bourn can’t. Doesn’t say much for Bourns IQ huh?

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
8:44 pm

Good sign:

“You Mean I Can’t Chant ‘Larry’ Anymore?” :lol:

AZBravoFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:44 pm

only use for Hanson in post-season would be as a ROOGY. I could see matching him up against some righty who has trouble with the curveball to get a K in a tight spot. But I’m not sure I would even trust him then not to hang one.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
8:44 pm

You guys talk a big game…but I know you guys will all be hitting the sale rack for a cheap Hanson jersey this off season in the clubhouse store!

Yeah right!

:mrgreen:

Trey

October 2nd, 2012
8:45 pm

Fols, I’d never buy a Hanson jersey.

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:45 pm

It’s really a bit late to get the tuchus in gear….I see/sense urgency now within the dugout dynamic….this team needs to come better out of the gate or it will be ‘curtains’ soon.

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
8:46 pm

We could roll out Hanson during the PS…no team will have done their homework on this guy and we can catch them napping!

june bug

October 2nd, 2012
8:46 pm

man what a bench

Tommy (#7 starter) Hanson

October 2nd, 2012
8:47 pm

“they did not misjudge Hanson all that much, he did pretty well until the middle of last season when he got hurt”

Two Brave “dart throwers,” Chuck James and Tommy Hanson. How could anyone watch either of these guys and expect long term success with those mechanics?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:48 pm

What’s Hanson doing pitching in the 6th? LOL

only use for Hanson in post-season would be as a ROOGY.

True, but I bet that Gearrin has better numbers against righties than Hanson does.

but I know you guys will all be hitting the sale rack for a cheap Hanson jersey this off season in the clubhouse store!

Never owned one… no need to buy one know as he’s likely gone.

njbraves

October 2nd, 2012
8:49 pm

Hanson needs to go away…dude is terrible.

Ron H

October 2nd, 2012
8:49 pm

wth…don’t need to go into the “play-in” on a losing streak! come on, bravos! you worked too hard!

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
8:52 pm

Sooo yeah. Looking like I’m going to be 0-3 at PNC after tonight lol

Waffle House or Bust

October 2nd, 2012
8:52 pm

As a baseball fan, I love all the playoff races going on. As a Braves fan, not loving limping into the playoffs. Sitting the starters never worked for Bobby so we will see what happens.

SOS Braves

October 2nd, 2012
8:53 pm

I hope this is the LAST time we ever see Homer Hansen trott out to the mound in a Braves uniform, unless it is as a ball boy.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:54 pm

Different catcher and another stolen base. Problem isn’t the catcher!

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
8:55 pm

If Tommy Hanson goes to another team, he’ll be an ace.

At the very least he’ll be better than he is now.

Guarantee it.

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
8:55 pm

Well you guys are nuts…my entire family is getting Hanson jersey’s…..they will embrace the name on the front and forget who’s on the back!

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
8:56 pm

Pirate Dudes are padding stats tonight….finding treasure at every corner, and, successfully abriding the existing wounds possessed by the 2012 edition of your Atlanta Braves.

Fols

October 2nd, 2012
8:57 pm

Christmas at Fols….get your Hanson Player T’s here! I might even wrap one for myself just to make sure I get something good this year!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
8:57 pm

If Tommy Hanson goes to another team, he’ll be an ace.

Supposedly he’d be an ace for the Royals right now. That’s just awful.

Garla

October 2nd, 2012
9:00 pm

DOB, Just a couple years ago it seemed Hanson was untouchable and destined to be our overpowering ace for many years. Now it seems the most likely guy to be traded this winter. While surely he hasn’t reached Jurrjens status of being untradeable, his market surely has taken a tremendous hit. He has injury concerns, can’t hold runners, has lost velocity, and seemingly the confidence of the team. Yet he has won 13 games on a playoff team and is only 26 years old. What’s he worth? Who would have thought just recently that our future wouldn’t include either Jurrjens or Hanson? I’m thinking we better put him in a deal this year before this becomes Jurrjens x2. Agree or Disagree?

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
9:01 pm

My Braves too—How much did I want us to finish on a sky high note? I’ll just say I am downcast and disappointed because I truly feel we could do better than this crappy score [only 1 run again].

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:02 pm

Fortunately for the Braves, they’ll all such a bunch of duds, they don’t have gold diggers trying to get pregnant and get all their money like the athletes in the new 30 for 30 doc.

That’s lucky.

Disgusted

October 2nd, 2012
9:03 pm

I was hoping that Ben Sheets could give it another go in ST, but only he knows how far he can push it.

I appreciate what he was able to do for us & he wraps up a ery very good career tommorrow.

FW did make some nice pickups over the course of the yr and here we are as the top WC team in the league.

The more I think of it, we really have overachieved & its been an outstanding year.

A long post season run will make it more special.

Sopheee

October 2nd, 2012
9:03 pm

Reed lost his beard

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:03 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:03 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Tommy Hanson’s line: 6 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 1 BB, 6 K, 1 HR, 1 HBP, 91 pitches (67 for strikes).
Hanson makes it through 6 for 1st time since 8/17

:?

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
9:04 pm

my entire family is getting Hanson jersey’s…..they will embrace the name on the front and forget who’s on the back!

Sorry about the tsunami. Glad y’all got the Red Cross packages.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:04 pm

Bye bye Hanson… gonna miss ya.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 2nd, 2012
9:05 pm

I even suggested starting Marteen on the mound, but noooooooo…

Just kidding. Mitchell, lighten up. Last 2 games aren’t going to count for anything anyway.

SOS Braves

October 2nd, 2012
9:06 pm

Bye Bye Strikeout Hinske. Gonna miss you.

AZBravoFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:06 pm

This is not exactly “limping” into the playoffs. Braves September record has been excellent. Yes, last night they were terrible. The next 2 are irrelevant. Bobby’s teams spent the last 2 weeks resting guys and coasting in. Much different mindset on this team as far as I can tell. And if they can’t muster a sense of urgency in a 1-game playoff, then the rest of the post-season was irrelevant anyway.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

Darn… that was a play.

Ken Stallings

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

Tommy Hanson was given a golden opportunity to audition for another team as a starting pitcher tonight. And what he did was allow a slightly below average lineup to exploit him for five runs (all earned) off nine hits, one walk and six K’s over six complete innings pitched. That is an ERA of 7.5, and that is awful!

There is no way the Braves are going to keep Hanson. With his arbitration coming due, the Braves are not going to want to keep him. My guess is they will release him outright. The reason is Brandon Beachy will return and if he returns to form, one cannot arrange the deck chairs to give Hanson a starting slot.

Next year’s rotation will most likely be: Kris Medlen, Tim Hudson, Mike Minor, Brandon Beachy, and Paul Maholm. That leaves talented Randall Delgado and Julio Teheran out of the rotation, and both of these pitchers would slot nicely into a rotation on many other major league teams.

Frankly, Hanson does not belong in spring training competing for a starting job and the bullpen is also way too deep for a realistic slot.

I am most curious to see Ben Sheets tomorrow. If he pitches well, it sets him up nicely for a contract with some team and a good chance to restart his career in spring training.

Disgusted

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

Garla — The Braves would be lucky to get a package of 2 mid level prospects for Hanson.

If they cannot get another team to take him they might as well non tender him — He is a lousy second half pitcher. The velocity is gone and with that delivery he will be lucky to last in MLB to age 30 if he lasts that long.

Big disappointment. He deserves to be Booed.

I hope he is gone in 2013. He is a BUMB.

SOS Braves

October 2nd, 2012
9:07 pm

This team is downright embarrassing.

BFChris28

October 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

Reed, you were supposed to flip not hop.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP
The Reds are down 1-0 in the third to St. Louis. If the Nats win and the Reds lose, the Nats clinch the top seed. Nats now up 3-1.

Go Nats.

Jim

October 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

Need to trade Hanson ASAP after season over – for anything they can get.

Trey

October 2nd, 2012
9:08 pm

Fols, if I get one with a player’s name on the back, it will be a player that I actually like, or I will just as easily get a jersey with the name on front and nothing on back.

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

What….high jump competition. Sorry, sad and sad…..that guy is out of shape [cardio]….and we send runners to home that just can’t run…….hello, Mr. Snitker???

tony austin

October 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm

I could not care less if the Braves win or lose this game, and with Hanson on the bump I didn’t expect them to win anyway, but I really want them to take tomorrow’s game. I don’t want to see them go into Friday’s game on a three game losing streak.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:10 pm

SOS Braves

October 2nd, 2012
9:10 pm

Do they put names on the back of the grounds crew? If so, maybe that’s where we can find Hansen next year.

Disgusted

October 2nd, 2012
9:11 pm

Ken Stallings — BB is not going to be ready to start the season best bet is to count on him for 2014.

But I agree with you about Homer Hanson. We have to get someone better or at least cheaper.

They can get a number 5 SP in FA for as cheap as they can sign Hanson in ARB & as bad as Hanson is in the second half, I’d rather go with a servicable vet for 5 to 7 mil per.

They can pick up some one cheap late in FA when there are some guys begging for a contract. I do not think they will be active early in FA, cause of spending restraints.

Tom

October 2nd, 2012
9:11 pm

knew that as so as i saw the “we have no interest in winning tonight line up” for the braves.

ryan

October 2nd, 2012
9:12 pm

No Hanson will never be an ace when anyone can steal off him. Listen to Chip and Joe where would we be without Sheets and MaHolm eight wins wow they also lost what nine games. We also need a third base coach the guy we got is blind in one eye.Cards scoring every game while Braves try. The NL central kick are asses with Reds Cubs Brewers and Pirates.Please if we bear Cards leave Hanson off roster.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:13 pm

We don’t have to sign a vet to be our #5…. just use Delgado

Tom

October 2nd, 2012
9:13 pm

was that jeff locke or sandy koufax pitching for the pirates last night, braves sometimes make it hard to tell the difference.

SOS Braves

October 2nd, 2012
9:13 pm

There’s your Chipper replacement.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:14 pm

Reed Johnson is answer to trivia question… that was my 3rd guess

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:15 pm

Hinske and Overbay have swung the balls well today.
Constanza cliniched himself NLDS roster spot
Baker was miserable in his at bats

Bat Masterson

October 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm

Ken Stallings_

Sheets is retiring after tomorrow

Bronke

October 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm

How many of you realize that this could be Tommy Hanson’s last game pitched as a Brave?

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm

“This team is downright embarrassing”

you just have to think of these last 2 games like they’re NFL Preseason games, other than trying to avoid injury they have no meaning

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm

Reed Johnson is very slow

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm

“There’s your Chipper replacement.”

Yikes! :(

I wonder what our W-L record is in home games after a day off. I know it’s not good.

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:18 pm

Pasternicky has that swing worked. Would make a great 7th inning pinch hitter

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Bronke -

I’ve realized it….and am quite happy about it.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:19 pm

Woman just held up a sign…. the Freedy Freeman fan club. Sigh.

ncbravesfan90

October 2nd, 2012
9:21 pm

Replacement NFL ref umpiring 3rd tonight??

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:21 pm

Blind umps again… he didn’t go. And they threw him out too.

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
9:21 pm

Think Freddie just got tossed. Even the Pirates guys thought he was right- that was not a strike

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:22 pm

Well, at least Freddie is showing a little passion.

ChattTownBrian

October 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

I think “Freedy” is combining Freddie and Freeman was their intent.

ChattTownBrian

October 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

I think “Freedy” is combining Freddie and Freeman was their intent.

ChattTownBrian

October 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

I think “Freedy” is combining Freddie and Freeman was their intent.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:23 pm

Overbay with some productive ABs lately…

Driver8

October 2nd, 2012
9:24 pm

Enter your comments here

Bronke

October 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm

Mixxo,

Agree. Braves have decent harmony with their staff and add Delgado to the mix and they should be all right for next year too!

phil

October 2nd, 2012
9:27 pm

Another idiot, incompetent umpire….

I predicted two flabsisco errors tonight….halfway home!

Another sad effort.

Efrim

October 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm

James Shields – 9 IP, 2 hits, 1 ER, 0 BB’s, 15 K’s tonight for the Rays. Crazy.

Guy is a stud. Rays probably aren’t trading him.

Carl Farvman

October 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm

Notice the TV nitwits didn’t ask for a slo-mo look at the swing. A lot of times the slo-mo shows he went further than it seemed in real time. Maybe he went, probably didn’t…but doesn’t surprise me that the nitwits didn’t want to take the chance. They are horrible.

MIdtown

October 2nd, 2012
9:32 pm

Replay was shown, and that was not even close.

Carl Farvman

October 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

“I thought it was Carl Farbman”

You’re probably right. As you can see from my writings, details escape me.

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm

Chad Durbin, not so bad after all.

Until he gives up the game winning home run in Game 5.

Game 5?

Where the hell did I get Game 5?

Beating the Cardinals is going to take a miracle.

Crazy talk.

But Durbin, not terrible. So there you go.

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
9:35 pm

Orioles win 1-0…

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
9:36 pm

yay Orioles win, now it’s up to you Boston

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:39 pm

Fransisco should be trying to get on base instead of taking big swings

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
9:40 pm

Well can’t dwell on this……divisional series? Perhaps…..Possible…..Precarious.

Lee in S GA

October 2nd, 2012
9:40 pm

Orioles win 1-0…
——————————
besides the Braves this is the other playoff team that I want to go all the way……..can tell no Yankee fans are lurking on this blog

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:42 pm

Baker stinks. No way should he be on the roster even on Friday

gcs

October 2nd, 2012
9:42 pm

What a fitting 2012 finale for Hanson.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:43 pm

Chipper’s likely to fall 1gm short of reaching 2500 games.

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
9:44 pm

Constanza has put up solid at bats. He can play role in the post season

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:44 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:44 pm

Nice way for Hanson to end his 2012 season and possibly his Braves career… :roll:

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:46 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Tommy Hanson finishes the 2012 season with a 13-10 record. #Braves

12 of those wins came before July 31…

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
9:46 pm

1 more game and they’ll suffer back to back regular season ending sweeps. I guess it doesn’t matter, epic collapse = season ending sweep, clinching a spot in the playoff = potential season ending sweep … either way the team just dies in the last 3 games

Chipmunk

October 2nd, 2012
9:49 pm

Worries me when the talkers and the commentators go on and on about how Medlen is unbeaten in so many games – they are jinxing him.
There are no guarantees esp. in a playoff game. It will take good hitting, pitching, defense and luck to win the game on Fri.

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:49 pm

Five home runs on the season for James Loney?

I didn’t know he was a Brave.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:49 pm

His value has never been higher… we’ll see this winter. His quotes gotta be good.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
9:50 pm

Going out with our usual whimper….

I don’t get it.

2 more losses and off to the fishing hole apparently. Sigh….

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:52 pm

Braves lost the last six games of the 2009 season, two of the last three of the 2010 season, the last five games of the 2011 season and two of the last three of the 2012 season.

Impressive.

Meanwhile, Baltimore? Tied for first in the AL East.

Bronke

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 pm

You guys think the Braves will pick up the option for McCann next year. Just wondering if there is any quality catching to start eyeing out now?

Colbren0

October 2nd, 2012
9:56 pm

I really wanted to choke that horn player!!!!

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
9:56 pm

The guy with the horn will play percussion at his next gig in Starkville.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
9:57 pm

Mac is just awful now…..

I hate to think how he will embarass himself on Friday as he joins with uggla to go a long way towards costing us the game.

phil

October 2nd, 2012
9:58 pm

That horn was awful….

keyLargo

October 2nd, 2012
9:58 pm

Speaking of Triple Crown and MVP – Ted Williams batted for the triple crown in 1942 and 1947. Both years he finished second in MVP voting!

Didn’t the writers vote on the MVP back then? Not trying to start another controversy, but Ted W. had no use for the media and the feeling was reciprocated.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
9:59 pm

Bronke: Only catcher that I can think of off the top of my head is Napoli…. don’t know how much he’d want, and he isn’t much this year either. He’s 30 and hitting .232. Had a great year last year though…

However, it’s pointless in my opinion. Mac will be back next year.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
9:59 pm

The guys (save for the fine pitching) have been flat for a while now.

Not very encouraging.

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
9:59 pm

What’s the deal with Yankee Stadium.

All it’s missing is the vuvuzela.

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
10:00 pm

Stupid Yankees…

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 pm

your closer has a 6 ERA Boston ……

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:01 pm

Unbelievable.

WTF was that?

It’s like they built that place next to a Six Flags.

That’s not a real baseball stadium.

What is it, like 190 to right field?

Hugo Z Hackenbush

October 2nd, 2012
10:03 pm

A quick check shows that the mvp has been voted on by the writers since 1931. Hard to imagine how making a comment on Ted Williams at this late date would “start another controversy.” What power you must have!

Kat

October 2nd, 2012
10:03 pm

Not sure if they showed it on tv, but as the crowd was chanting for Chipper to come out, he went over to Fredi, put his arm around him and said something to him. Kinda stunk he didn’t come out. A lot of people near where I was sitting had traveled just to see him. But it’s a gamble when you travel, never know who you’re going to see.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
10:04 pm

Yankees Urgency…..catch it!

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:05 pm

The previous comment was in regards to the cornucopia of empty seats and the atmosphere of a Sunday matinee.

Still seems rather subdued in spite of being on the verge of taking the game.

In fact, like candy from a baby it would seem.

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

October 2nd, 2012
10:06 pm

Bronke

October 2nd, 2012
9:54 pm
You guys think the Braves will pick up the option for McCann next year. Just wondering if there is any quality catching to start eyeing out now?

Mike Napoli is a free agent when the season ends….

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
10:07 pm

Brian Jordan really? you think whether or not Hanson is on the post season roster will be a “tough decision” … come on now

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
10:09 pm

“You guys think the Braves will pick up the option for McCann next year….”

Sure hope NOT!

Bronke

October 2nd, 2012
10:10 pm

Thanks guys for the feedback. I used to love having McCann in the lineup but he has deteriorated so much over the last 2 years. It’s hard to watch him these days. Wish he can recover a portion of what he used to be. Catchers don’t seem to have a long shelf life these days.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
10:10 pm

… I don’t know why I said Brian Jordan, brain thinks one thing fingers type another

Hugo Z Hackenbush

October 2nd, 2012
10:12 pm

Yes, McCann will be on the roster next season. Whether or not it’s a good idea is virtually irrelevant.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
10:14 pm

you think whether or not Hanson is on the post season roster will be a “tough decision” … come on now

Wow… that’s not tough at all

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:15 pm

8 hits?

Did we really get 8 hits?

And one run.

Why is that surprising?

I don’t know. It’s not.

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
10:15 pm

Tex choking like a Brave with RISP… ;)

Hugo Z Hackenbush

October 2nd, 2012
10:16 pm

Interesting and perceptive essay for trekkies everywhere…
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8435126/next-generation-turns-25

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
10:20 pm

Hugo – thanks – will read after I cook…

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
10:21 pm

I really can’t believe folks are upset about a loss where we play our bench and our worst starting pitcher??? What gives? Are you folks serious? Really?

Now, I’m hopeful that we will get some regulars some AB’s tomorrow. If we win, great. If we lose, it really doesn’t matter at this point.

But I’m hoping Fredi read DOB’s previous blog about going into the playoffs strong, and not resting up everybody for 3 days in a row.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
10:24 pm

VJ

But it was always Tex’s dream to play in Yankee stadium. Yeah right. I don’t mind a guy taking the biggest paycheck, but at least be man enough to admit that you took the cash!

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
10:27 pm

DS1-

Tex never denied it was about the money. He said it was a business decision. The Yankees offered the most money (and, at the time, the best shot at a ring for a guy that had never been to the playoffs)

bostonbravo

October 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm

I have enough medical expertise to say that ni the fifth inning Hanson should have been driven directly to an ICU for recovery. Seriously, the kid isn’t well. I really like the guy, but he’s fighting a losing battle without some help. He really shouldn’t be our “worst” starting pitcher, he has serious health issues.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm

cab

I don’t remember that part. I remember some lame story about always wanting to play in Yankee stadium. But I could be mis-remembering………..

(but truthfully, wouldn’t you take similar cash from the Angels to play in southern CA over playing in the Big Apple???)

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
10:34 pm

DS1-

Not Anaheim. I’d take New York over Orange County any day :) But I seem to recall Tex saying that his choices were just business. He’s in a position to capitalize on making the most money possible in a pretty short amount of time, so I can’t begrudge him that. He may have added on to make it seem less callous, but I never held it against him…

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
10:35 pm

(but truthfully, wouldn’t you take similar cash from the Angels to play in southern CA over playing in the Big Apple???)

Nope. Not back then and not now… Angels have been spending money lately and still haven’t had success. That’s part of the reason I find it hard to believe that a certain pitcher will stay out there.

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
10:39 pm

Wainwright didn’t want to celebrate stated that he will do so when they beat Braves. Well guess what What way things are going right now. Wainwright might not be able to celeberate at all. Cardinals have almost lost the game and the Dodger’s are threatning.

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
10:39 pm

Wainwright didn’t want to celebrate stated that he will do so when they beat Braves. Well guess what What way things are going right now. Wainwright might not be able to celeberate at all. Cardinals have almost lost the game and the Dodger’s are threatning.

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
10:40 pm

Derick blow tn for the yanks in 11th will sox yank one?

Veer

October 2nd, 2012
10:40 pm

Derek Lowe pitching? What is Giradi thinking? I mean you are fighting for division lives and Derek Lowe?
I want the Yankees to lose but Derek Lowe????

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:41 pm

Come on D-Lowe.

Give it up.

You know you want to.

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:43 pm

Hell, I’ll play the Dodgers.

We’ve got to be able to beat them.

The Cardinals would be a hell of a lot sweeter but any way you can win, just win.

Couch Tater

October 2nd, 2012
10:44 pm

Keylargo – from wikipedia

In January 1942, Williams was drafted into the military, being put into Class 1-A. A friend of Williams suggested that Williams see the advisor of the Governor’s Selective Service Appeal Agent, since Williams was the sole support of his mother, arguing that Williams should not have been placed in Class 1-A, and said Williams should be reclassified to Class 3-A. The attorney took the case to the Appeals Board and the board rejected the case. Angry, the attorney took the case to the Presidential Board. Williams was reclassified to 3-A ten days later. Afterwards, the public reaction was extremely negative.Quaker Oats stopped sponsoring Williams, and Williams, who previously had eaten Quaker products “all the time”, never “[ate] one since” the company stopped sponsoring him.
___

Williams felt that he should have gotten a “little more consideration” because of him winning the Triple Crown, and he thought that “the reason I didn’t get more consideration was because of the trouble I had with the draft boards.

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
10:44 pm

Sheets to retire – for the love of the game.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
10:47 pm

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing
Bobby is not trying to win this game. Absurd. O’s must be throwing crap at the TV in St. Pete.

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing
To not pinch-run for Saltalamacchia here … totally irresponsible.

Does anyone still like Bobby V?

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
10:47 pm

The Yankees just tied the game like it was nothing.

It would take an act of God for the Braves to come back from two down in the 9th inning, of any game ever.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
10:54 pm

Mitchell

Do you actually follow the games? What a bumb!

The Braves were tied with the Yankees in wins coming into tonight’s game. The Braves have come back in quite a few games over the year. I understand that they are having issues w/ RISP, but man if a person came on the blog and read your comments, they’d think we had won 60-70 games this year.

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
10:55 pm

So, is this going to be Chipper’s last home run?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=320902115

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
10:57 pm

You can write all you want about this team, but odds are stacked against us……. We just lost to a pitcher who had given us 5 walks a 6 plus era and a 0-6 record in the majors, and we could only muster 2 hits in an embarrassing loss as we were trying to win the division ?……besides the good news…

Medlen…….. I think will have a good start, but really he already broke the MLB record for consecutive starts with a win…… So that means odds are stacked against him. All of a sudden we will win all the games he starts ? Please.

My theory is the hitters will choke, and we will lose a close one….. say 3-1 or something like that, we will strike out allot, especially when it counts….. and maybe Medlen won’t even take the loss or give up a run.

Then we will be done Bourne gone..and wow next year we will have some good pitching, but who will take the place of Chippers bat and really when are we going to get some real out fielders ?

Uggla will weigh us down with his huge contract….. And lead off will be ? Prado ?

Gosh I hope I am WRONG !

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
10:59 pm

Ellsbury for hanson and hinske?

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:01 pm

Peter

Me too (hope you are wrong).

Let’s worry about next year in another 5-6 weeks.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:01 pm

“Ellsbury for hanson and mccann?”

Fixed!

That’ll work for me!

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm

C’mon Lowe, cough one up for us here…………. (my Yankee dislike runs deep!)

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm

Peter go pick a peck of pickled peppers

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:03 pm

Ellsbury for hanson and hinske?

Really another Scott Boras boy.. Please Bourne is another and he will be gone… he will price all of his players out or reach.

The Red Sox would never make that trade…… besides….. Hanson is in decline.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:04 pm

Mixxo

How ya been? As much as I love having a catcher who can hit, I can understand folks questioning whether to keep McCann or not. Salary. Conditioning. Injury History. A lot of factors to consider.

But my guess is he stays at least 1 more year. If he has another bad year in 2013, I’d expect him to be dealt to an AL team or non tendered.

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
11:05 pm

Thanks, Aroldis!

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:05 pm

Bird in a bucket aint no picnic

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:06 pm

chipontheroad .. I like Pickled peppers and pickles…..

Still we are not getting Ellsbury…. come on now……..and for Hanson and Hinskey ???? Really ???

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:06 pm

Is that little bird an Oriole?

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:06 pm

What would it be like if the Dodgers beat out the Cards for the last WC slot. And ideally had to do it on Thursday!!!

And then if Cincy beats out the Nats for the #1 seed. Then the Nats would have to face the Giants in the NLDS. I’ll take my chances with the Dodgers and Reds.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:08 pm

DS1 -

Fine, thanks DS1.

I concur with your prediction.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:08 pm

cab

How many of those big buck Angel players do you think live in Anaheim?

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:09 pm

“Ellsbury for hanson and mccann?”

The way McCann has played, not sure I wouldn’t want Salty instead ?

McCann is a liability behind the plate, and Salty has more pop in his bat it seems….. at least more home runs 25 to 20.

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:10 pm

I’d suspect some of those Angels live in Newport Beach if they live in Orange County.

If it’s good enough for Kobe, then it’s probably good enough to Pujols & Co.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
11:10 pm

Ellsbury for Hanson+…

Bahaha

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
11:13 pm

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm

no not really dude it was a joke but Medlen can’t win because he’s been winning to much? really?

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm

Did that Yankees broadcaster just say “Nice snatch?”

:oops:

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:15 pm

Possible CF candidate for 2013: Franklin Gutierrez

Nickname is “Death to Flying Things”

Salary is a bit heavy at 7 mil for 2013 with a 7.5 option for 2014.

Came back from injuries to finish a respectable 260/309/420, which are a tad over his career numbers. Would the Mariners be willing to deal him? Plus, he hits RH.

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:16 pm

DS1. I hope like heck I am wrong… but after the pathetic showing in Pittsburg, with the division still in reach tells me everything I need to know about the hitters on the team……

We traded away our speed two years ago while in first place……also has anyone noticed how poorly Bourne has done this year stealing bases ?

Bourne has 40 stolen bases as a Brave in the full season……his worst year since 2008…. what did the Braves put a muzzle on this guy instead of having him wide open ?

We don’t have a way to manufacture runs if we don’t hit the long ball……..and we don’t do that all that well.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:17 pm

Alright Raul, loved you as a Phillie, lets see some more magic!

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm

That’s what I’m talking about Raul!!!!

Urgency!

cabravesfan

October 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm

DS1-

Oh, probably none of them. There are a lot of really nice areas near there (by “near” I mean within an hour long drive)- Newport, Laguna, Santa Margarita, lots of places… :D

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm

Yankee Magic.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm

Yankees win. Of course, OBP is useless, so the walk by Cervelli couldn’t have been any good… :roll:

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm

Let me see. Saltalamacchia and McCann had almost identical seasons. Mac was hurt during part of the year. Salty was not.

The odds of Mac having a better year in 2013 than Salty are pretty high.

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:19 pm

Dam yankee’s lowe with the win

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
11:19 pm

Ibanez… (imagine sounding like “Newman”)…

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:20 pm

chipontheroad.. got the joke. no harm no foul……. yes the ” ODDS ” of him continuing to win is just that.

And the Braves can manufacture a loss…..especially in a big game….. I have zero confidence in the hitters not Medlen.

Of course he can throw a shut out…..and we can maybe still win…. Medlen is capable.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
11:20 pm

nice pitching decisions there in the 9th inning Bobby V … a pair of 6+ ERA relievers????

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
11:21 pm

Mixxo finally admits to being a Phillies’ fan…

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:23 pm

The odds of Mac having a better year in 2013 than Salty are pretty high.

Yes he is a better player no doubt by his……PAST SEASONS……….. If he doesn’t get hurt……or too fat, or something ?

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:23 pm

Re: Hanson

Those aren’t exactly “trade value inflating” quotes from Fredi and Ross.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:23 pm

Peter

Exactly what “speed” did we deal 2 years ago?

I do not like the Yankees, but Ibanez is certainly clutch.

David O'Brien

October 2nd, 2012
11:23 pm

Yet he has won 13 games on a playoff team and is only 26 years old. What’s he worth? Who would have thought just recently that our future wouldn’t include either Jurrjens or Hanson? I’m thinking we better put him in a deal this year before this becomes Jurrjens x2. Agree or Disagree? — Garla

I don’t know that you could get anything of value in return. His trade value is at a low right now. It’s a real tough spot to be in. No easy solutions.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 2nd, 2012
11:25 pm

I don’t know that you could get anything of value in return. His trade value is at a low right now.

Totally agree, despite what others think.

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:26 pm

Not a Phillie fan but, I do like Ibanez….and Victorino….and Ruiz.

The rest of ‘em….not so much.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:28 pm

DOB

Is Fredi doing exactly what you said he shouldn’t be doing a blog or so back? I’m hoping he has most if not all the starters in tomorrow for at least 2/3 of the game. We need to go into this thing with our hitters hitting!

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:28 pm

Sounds like Gwinnett County residents can look forward to seeing Tommy at a AAA ballpark near them.

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:29 pm

DOB,

I love the quotes. Thanks for putting those together this year.

Now, can you please get me a game time for Friday? (J/K!)

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:30 pm

Blanco went then we traded away Infante.. sorry different years……my bad……. but we were capable of playing small ball before…….not now unless Bourne can actually get on base.

Perfect time for him to slump……. Plus Bounre was our best hitter with men on base, and that is sad !

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:31 pm

Potentially terrible week-end:

1) Braves lose to Cardinals
2) Georgia loses to SC
3) Kentucky plays

Potentially Great sports week-end
1) Braves make it through Columbus Day with a 2-0 lead in Best of 5 against Nats
2) Georgia beats SC
3) Patrick Towles burns his redshirt and Kentucky upsets Miss St.

gcs

October 2nd, 2012
11:32 pm

Hinske will not be a Brave in 2013.

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:32 pm

Matt Ryan gettin some love on NFLN

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:33 pm

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
11:33 pm

DS1, the tone tonight is cheerful cynicism in case you were wondering.

That’s how I’m rolling at the moment.

Last night? Bitter disappointment with a generous sprinkling of disgust.

DS1, I vow to you if the Braves win the World Series, I will leave the blog for good.

As a gift to you. That’s a promise.

Can’t wait for 2013!

We Will Get Fooled Again

October 2nd, 2012
11:34 pm

Tomorrow may be meaningless as far as playoff seeding, but it’s important that the Braves get out of this offensive rut. Don’t want to go into a do-or-die game swinging ice-cold bats.

UKUGA

October 2nd, 2012
11:34 pm

Does Billy Ripken smoke during commercial breaks? He is horrendous to listen to.

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:35 pm

Blanco and Infante?? That’s your idea of speed? A 5th outfielder and Infante? I loved Omar when he was here, but the Braves traded HI with him. He has not done much in the 2 years since he left.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
11:35 pm

A’s winning now. If that holds and LA can take/keep the lead in their game it should be an interesting last day of the season (and possibly beyond)

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:37 pm

Mitchell

I don’t want you to leave, I just want you to lose the SEC football/Fantasy Baseball mentality. Is that not too much to ask?

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:37 pm

I’m feeling the Dawgs man Defence goes all Erk on the chickens sat and gurshall runs and runs and runs

Mixxo

October 2nd, 2012
11:38 pm

Giants go up 4-1.

Dodgers look like us at home. :(

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:39 pm

Fredo

From your lips to God’s ear!

Go Dodgers and A’s (it’s darned hard for me to say that!)

Joe 12-Pack

October 2nd, 2012
11:41 pm

I guess it’s a good thing the Braves had that big silly celebration last week since it’s the last one they’ll have this year.

What foresight!

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
11:42 pm

DS1…….The A’s? Yep, they are going to make some real noise in the AL Divisional!

DS1

October 2nd, 2012
11:45 pm

Despite all the negativity on the blog about the Braves chances, I still think if 2-3 of our hitters get hot in the next couple of weeks, we could go a long way. We’ve got the bats to do it, if they will just break out like they did in mid August.

Stranger things have happened. (and we have about a 50/50 chance of finishing up on Friday too!)

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:49 pm

Agree DS1 if we play loose and pitch we could ride awhile

chipontheroad

October 2nd, 2012
11:51 pm

And I think ol Hoss has a little bit left

Capt.Mudd

October 2nd, 2012
11:54 pm

Immature and premature and also smelt like manure…..too happy for that less than championship behavior—Hinske, Pastor, Uggla….dancing the “Safety Dance,”….well I’m mocking a bit here, but it was funny to watch–all that wasted ‘fancy fizz’…….I truly think this season they were close so after ‘making fun,’….I’ll confess rightly—93 wins=successful/good MLB season–all the one-run ‘goofy games’ notwithstanding.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
11:54 pm

Kemp at the plate representing the tying run

Venice Jim

October 2nd, 2012
11:55 pm

Who would want Mitchell to leave? The Godfather of the Inability-to-Understand-Baseball would deprive us of countless opportunities for make sport of mental instability…

Peter

October 2nd, 2012
11:56 pm

Blanco and Infante?? That’s your idea of speed?

Yes…… Blanco has 26 sb this season in limited action.. Infante has 15.

Uggla has 4 and caught 3 times….. I guess we can all wait for Dan to hit the Bomb and we will win !

Other than Heyward with 20, Prado with 17 and Bourne who will be a National next year what do we have ?

By the Way Prado played 5 positions this year hit .300, and is tops in the league with the most 2 strike hits….. Is he the Braves MVP ? Maybe Heyward ?

Mitchell

October 2nd, 2012
11:56 pm

Tonight’s loss was “insignificant” according to DOB.

How can it be insignificant?

I thought as a team you don’t want to go into the playoffs on “auto-pilot.”

Clearly that’s what the Braves are doing.

That would make tonight’s game very significant and a sign of things to come.

I find that rather contradictory, personally speaking.

Fredo

October 2nd, 2012
11:58 pm

Kemp with a deep ground ball … went all the way to the pitcher’s mound

Peter

October 3rd, 2012
12:00 am

Mitchell… Simmons batter 3rd……. What the heck is Fredi thinking ?

I guess they will turn it all back on Friday night……. Hmmmmm ?

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
12:04 am

Rangers led the division by 5 games on Sept 24, they are now 6 outs away from being tied with Oakland

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 am

Gotta love the animated descriptions from the “Wild Thing.”

I do.

brian

October 3rd, 2012
12:10 am

I would love for the orioles to tie up the Yankees tomorrow.

brian

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 am

Braves need to at least start their regulars and let them get a few at bats. We have to get the bats going or it is going to be a very short post-season

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:16 am

Tonight’s loss was “insignificant” according to DOB.

How can it be insignificant?

I thought as a team you don’t want to go into the playoffs on “auto-pilot.”

Clearly that’s what the Braves are doing.

That would make tonight’s game very significant and a sign of things to come.

I find that rather contradictory, personally speaking.

I am amazed that you have no problem showing that you are even stupider than we accuse you of being…it is really astounding that you have no embarrassment for showing the total lack of knowledge you have of anything baseball-related…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 am

Not that we wish to be condescending to those who are reality challenged…

Waffle House or Bust

October 3rd, 2012
12:31 am

Hope the starters are back in there tomorrow. Not a fan of resting them before the playoffs. That always backfired for Bobby. Also, hope Hansen never takes the mound again for the Braves. I said six weeks ago he was negative energy for the team and he still is. Guy has a ho-hum attitude and seems like the team throws in the towel before game even starts with him.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:33 am

Resting a day or two unlikely to make the hitting worse… :roll:

Who is Hansen?

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:38 am

Wow – you are a sicko…

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 am

Dodgers get a 2 run homer to come withing a run then Mark Ellis tries to turn a double into a triple but gets thrown out at 3rd and Victorino hits a triple the very next pitch.

Ellis will be a very lonely guy if LA can’t at least tie the game

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 am

Rangers lead has evaporated, the A’s have tied them

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:51 am

A’s showing some serious ‘want!’

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 am

Especially hysterical that he goes off because he does not know the names of our pitchers…and because I was the one making fun of how horrible we have been hitting…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 am

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 am

And his inability to comprehend rudeness is a kick – but, people who find it humorous to spew hatred at dead family members are in need of our understanding for their deficiencies…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 am

Sorry – killing time watching the Dodgers…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:23 am

Never mind…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 am

The sword of retribution has cut down Professor Harold Hill!

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:28 am

Now I look silly after the deletion – but what can I say?…

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:29 am

Gotta love Vin Scully just saying he’ll “shut up” and let the viewer enjoy the pictures and the roar of the crowd. He’s simply one of the best all time. If not THE best.

On a side note, how about the persistance of the A’s? Texas has been ALONE in 1st place since April 9th. And the A’s (NOT the Angels) take them down to game 162 to determine it all.

Awesome.

As for Hanson? I agree with DOB, probably not going to get anything significant for him this winter. But I’m not sure you can give up on him and non-tender him. But I’m also not sure you can put him in the rotation again and rely on him. The way he’s been getting smacked around the 2nd and 3rd time through the order, he has relief pitcher/long man written all over him.

Seems too much to pay for that kind of guy. But if Wren chooses to NOT give up on him, that might be the way to best use him at least to start the season next year.

Let him be the “medlen” of the staff going into next year. And he could be stretched out for emergency rotation need at some point.

But he’s not only not helping the team win that often, he’s also a big part of the bullpen getting used early and often.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:32 am

N8 – it has been a fun night for a baseball fan, especially since our outcome was immaterial…

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:35 am

I agree VJ. While I’m bummed about Hanson the impact on Friday night for tonights game was ZERO. In fact, scratch that. Key players got rest and key bench guys got AB’s. So the end game result was positive, regardless of the loss.

And since my NFL season was over before the calendar flipped to October…..

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:37 am

I forget (I have a guess, but prefer not to look dumb, at last sometimes) – your NFL team?

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:39 am

Wow. That 2-1 pitch was “the” pitch for Ellis to hit. Yikes.

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
1:40 am

It’s (finally) Official: Braves vs Cardinals

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:40 am

So go the Dodgers…

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:40 am

I’m a Chiefs fan VJ. High hopes with all the weapons returning to surround Cassel with and he’s just simply NOT an nfl QB.

But hey…. Jamaal Charles is fun to watch.

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
1:42 am

Dodgers just lost to Giants, so Braves face Cardinals in Wild Card game on Friday.

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:43 am

I’m torn……

Wanna face and eliminate the Cardinals. That would be sweet.

But wanted them to at least have to fly cross country and burn up some pitching before Friday.

Yet at the same time, am kind of happy that the Dodgers failed miserably after all the high dollar contracts they took on with their trades.

Don’t care who we play on Friday. Need to score 3 for Medlen and then pray that Hudson and Minor are on their game come Sunday and Monday.

SOOOO sucks that the Braves have to “waste” Medlen in that play in game. But oh well.

None of it is going to matter if they don’t hit.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 am

N8 – that’s what I thought I remembered – fortunate enough to root for the defending champs (the only team for whom I have maintained allegiance for 50 years – thanks, Dad!)…although I am pleased living in Richmond pulled me toward the Braves in the late 80’s…

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
1:49 am

the playoff game will be your classic “Pitching” (Braves) vs “Hitting” (Cards)

prediction: whoever wins the playoff, that team will at least make it to the NLCS.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:50 am

If I were not concerned about having some moron like me quote me later, I would say I feel good about Friday, but uncertain thereafter…but have this feeling that the Boswellian certainty about the Nats’ chances might doom them (and the hope that their hitting might start having the issues their pitching is starting to face)…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:51 am

Later, guys! Early game out here tomorrow…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:54 am

I just wish someone would tell us when the game is Friday, since h”e” clearly knows…

Star Sportswriter ‏@theajcbraves
For the 4,234,129th time, it hasn’t been determined yet – depends on how much rest Medlen needs RT @obiwankenobi: Hey @theajcbraves do you know what time the #Braves game is on Friday??

N8

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 am

1993 was the last time (with Joe Montana) that the Chiefs won a playoff game. Sigh……

It’s gotten so bad that I’ve been thinking Herm Edwards would be an upgrade again over the current regime. Just frustrating to have as many high draft pick as they’ve had for the past few years and yet they seem so far away from being consistently competitive.

Pioli’s downfall as GM is hinged to Matt Cassel and his stubborness in NOT finding competition for him. His first move as GM was trading a 2nd round pick for him and then sight unseen in KC giving him that extention and sticking with him. So many QB’s he could have drafted since being the GM and he’s passed. Not want HIS golden boy who he drafted to have to fight for his job.

Cassel has the distinction on his resume as being the guy that took literally the same Patriots team that went 16-0 and “leading” them to an 11-5 record the next year. LOL.

The irony is that it’s the Chiefs that are to blame. They are the ones who knocked Brady out that year, opening the door for Cassel to fool the world (and mostly his GM) into thinking he was good enough to lead a team.

The one good year he’s had in KC was the year the Chiefs led the league in rushing and all he had to do was not mess it up.

The Falcons took the under the radar Patriots guru and the Chiefs took the guy everybody wanted for their GM. He’s done NOTHING as GM to improve this team in 4 years and most of it hinges on his desire for Cassel to be the man. It’s going to end up costing him job i believe.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 am

Too tired – “he”… moron VJ

Jay Dubu

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 am

Cards overtook the Braves last season, and went on to win the champsionchip.

It’s time for payback, but the Braves will have to get the bats going, and going well. It’s something that they have not been able to do all season long.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 am

Dimitroff has done well, from my vantage point…

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:57 am

Really must move on – vaya con CJ…

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
2:23 am

Very happy we’re not having to face lefty Clayton Kershaw in that one game playoff with the Dodgers. They were playing some really good ball down the stretch. Now it’s time for some payback against the Cardinals.

Lee in S GA

October 3rd, 2012
5:46 am

Hinske will not be a Brave in 2013.
———————————————-
He doesn’t need to be in the plyoffs either. This truly may be the worse bench ever for the Braves. Keith Lockhart would look like an all-star around these bench players.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 3rd, 2012
5:59 am

16 position guys

8 starters

McCANN
JONES
SIMMONS
UGGLA
FREEMAN
PRADO
BOURN
HEYWARD

8 bench

ROSS
BOSCAN
FRANCISCO
PASTORNICKY
OVERBAY
HINSKI
JOHNSON
CONSTANZA

Couch Tater

October 3rd, 2012
6:04 am

The TV execs will be hurling with enthusiasm, if the Nats and Orioles end up in the WS.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 3rd, 2012
6:05 am

Between BAKER and HINSKI, I think HINSKI is the choice.

Next year, HINSKI will be ‘thanks for the memories’ from a long time ago-guy.

I wouldn’t mark down six of these guys.

Maybe HINSKI and BOSCAN are weak, but the other six will have some positive contributuions in the play-offs.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 3rd, 2012
6:11 am

Three starters

MINOR
HUDSON
MEDLEN

Six reliefers

DELGADO – spot starter
MARTINEZ – long relief
DURBAN – middle relief/set up
O’FLAHERTY – set-up/closer
VENTERS – set up/closer
KIMBREL – closer

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
6:23 am

Oh, well, Braves vs Cards it is. I’ve had enough of the Cards bouncing the Braves out of the postseason…time to return the favor.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
6:26 am

Fredo….
mmmm…i dunno. Nats pretty much owned ATL up until their last series. Anything’s possible, I guess.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 3rd, 2012
6:27 am

usnavyvolfaninva:

“….. I’d by that for a dollar …..” – ROBOCOP

Let’s beat the crap out of ‘um

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
6:28 am

N8,
I’m a Huge Eric Berry fan. Didn’t they beat the Saints in the Dome? Don’t give up on them too quickly..LOL…I’m a Dolphins fan, so I know about suffering (from a sports standpoint)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
6:29 am

“Now witness the power of our fully armed and operational pitching staff” ….followed by evil 150 year old Emperor laugh.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
6:33 am

Well, I guess CK isn’t even going to be considered for the CY. MLB went through the list, all starters. So, being a UT-homer, I hope RA Dickey gets it.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
6:50 am

McCann last 8 months.

Aug 2011- .146avg
Sept2011- .200

April 2012- .229
May – .263
June- .193
July- .296
August- .181
September- .200

Past two Aug-Sept numbers are hard to imagine. Having such a great year prior to the oblique injury last season, tough to take.

If he doesn’t get healthy in the offseason going to be a lot of money spent on a mediocre player right now.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
6:54 am

I would move up Simmons to 7th spot and bat B Mac 8th in the playoffs. Uggs-Mac back to back hasn’t worked much magic this season.

Couch Tater

October 3rd, 2012
7:04 am

TennPaul – FYI

when the deals all kicked in in 2014, each club in MLB would see about $26.28 million each year over the $23.72 million they were each seeing as part of the last agreements
http://bizofbaseball.com/

Couch Tater

October 3rd, 2012
7:25 am

I don’t mind Chip Caray like some here, but if I had to listen to “Thuuuu Yankees win” 94 times, I would microwave my cable coax.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
7:52 am

I would move up Simmons to 7th spot and bat B Mac 8th in the playoffs. Uggs-Mac back to back hasn’t worked much magic this season.

Agree… Though, I’d probably use Ross for the play-in, but we know that’s not happening

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
7:55 am

One day to go. Here is the playoff picture:

In the National League

1. Washington/Cincinnati
2. Cincinnati/Washington
3. San Francisco
4. Atlanta
5. St. Louis

If Washington wins OR Cincinnati loses today, then the Nationals are the #1 seed. The Reds will get it if they win AND Washington loses. The winner of that #1 seed will play Games 1 and 2 of the NLDS on the road against the winner of the Atlanta/St. Louis game, which will take place in Atlanta. The #2 seed will host San Francisco starting Saturday in the NLDS.

The American League still has a lot to be sorted out.

We know that Detroit is the #3 seed and will be on the road for Game 1 of their ALDS on Saturday. Every other playoff team still has a shot at every other seed, except Baltimore, who cannot be the #1 seed.

The Yankees are in the most control. If they win, they are AL East champions and the #1 overall seed in the AL. Oakland is in the 2nd-best position because they own all the tiebreakers. If they beat Texas, they are AL West champions, and then if New York loses, the A’s are the #1 seed.

Here is how the scenarios play out:

New York wins, Oakland wins, Baltimore wins:
1. New York, 2. Oakland, 4. Baltimore, 5. Texas

New York wins, Oakland wins, Baltimore loses:
1. New York, 2. Oakland, 4. Texas, 5. Baltimore

New York wins, Texas wins, Baltimore wins:
1. New York, 2. Texas, 4. Baltimore, 5. Oakland

New York wins, Texas wins, Baltimore loses:
1. New York, 2. Texas, 4. Oakland, 5. Baltimore

New York Loses, Oakland wins, Baltimore wins: Baltimore/New York do a Thursday playoff
1. Oakland, 2. New York/Baltimore winner, 4. New York/Baltimore loser, 5. Texas

New York Loses, Oakland wins, Baltimore loses:
1. Oakland, 2. New York, 4. Texas, 5. Baltimore

New York Loses, Texas wins, Baltimore wins: New York and Baltimore do a Thursday playoff
1. New York if they win playoff, Texas if Baltimore wins playoff, 2. Texas if New York wins playoff, Baltimore if Baltimore wins playoff, 4. Loser of New York/Baltimore playoff, 5. Oakland

New York loses, Texas wins, Baltimore loses:
1. New York, 2. Texas, 4. Oakland, 5. Baltimore

Veer

October 3rd, 2012
7:58 am

Today we need to give our regulars 2 at bats and our bench guys 2 at bats.
we need to use EOF Kimbrel Venters Availan and Gerrain one inning each. That is 5 innings right there.
Sheets for 2 innings. So that is 7 Innings right there.
I don’t see why Delgado and Teheran are slated to go multiple innings. Dont want our bullpen to be rusty come Friday.

JoeFan

October 3rd, 2012
8:01 am

Braves are sleep walking into the wildcard game…not good. No sense of urgency or itensity with this team. Guess they are just happy to make the playoffs and call it a year.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
8:02 am

If you give every game above a 50/50 shot, here’s the probability of each team getting each AL seed.

1 seed: Yankees 60%, Oakland 30%, Texas 10%
2 seed: Texas 40%, Oakland 20%, New York 20%, Baltimore 20%
3 seed: Detroit 100%
4 seed: Baltimore 40%, Texas 20%, Oakland 20%, New York 20%
5 seed: Baltimore 40%, Texas 30%, Oakland 30%

I also did not note above that the Yankees cannot be the #5 seed.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
8:03 am

Braves are sleep walking into the wildcard game…not good. No sense of urgency or itensity with this team. Guess they are just happy to make the playoffs and call it a year.

Yeah, they’ve only won 7 of their last 10.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
8:05 am

@Veer

I don’t like rolling into that stupid WC game with our bats being as flat as they are…

We simply have too many guys who are prone to K or pop up in 0-Out or 1-out R.I.S.P. Situations

And This bench we have is the Worst Bench a Braves Playoff caliber team has ever had…Don’t bank on getting much in return of clutch hits from the bench guys, other Than Rossy

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:07 am

A feel-good story regarding a cousin of Todd Helton…great way to start the day….

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/oct/03/quick-thinking-coach-aed-save-central-basketball/?comments_id=2371958

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
8:07 am

Brian from SC

[Braves are sleep walking into the wildcard game…not good. No sense of urgency or itensity with this team. Guess they are just happy to make the playoffs and call it a year.]

“Yeah, they’ve only won 7 of their last 10.”

Only because our Pitching staff minus Big Red has been Awesome over that stretch and for the month for that matter. Problem is we have too many guys in the lineup who go into deep slumps at the same time

Brave Decisions

October 3rd, 2012
8:11 am

Here is how I would construct the roster for the play in game http://wp.me/p2lqJ1-er Thanks for checking in again.

Veer

October 3rd, 2012
8:23 am

No need to play these last few games with sense of urgency. People are overeacting. We need to rest our players so that they can be fresh. Remember sense of urgency brings adrenalin and adrenalin can only last so long. You want to be able to use adrenalin at the right time. If you se adrenalin in a game like today then by Friday that adrenalin will wear off. We are taking a good approach by resting and relaxing our players. You have to remember adrenalin isn’t something that you can use in 162 games a year.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:24 am

Tomahawkin….
Not having seen the game last night, you can take this with a grain of salt, but I saw the starting lineup prior to the game, and it wasn’t exactly one that would strike terror into the heart of any starting pitcher. I think we both know why, but to me it was a “garbage” game designed to rest the regulars. But, I don’t know if some of the regulars came in later to pinch hit, so hence the grain of salt.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
8:28 am

usnavyvolfaninva

I know, it was “The Give Up Lineup” as Chuck Oliver Coins It, last night so I didn’t expect much other than knowing that Big Red Pitched his last game of the season…But man minus Rossy, our bench is BAD…That will be a huge area for Fredi to address in the offseason

After 3 innings I turned it off and started watching BSPN 30 n 30 “Broke”

Finally BSPN had something on worth watching last night

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:30 am

Brian,
Thanks….my head will be spinning for the rest of the day now. LOL… the thing I gleaned from all that is that Detroit, the #3 seed, will at best have 7 fewer regular season wins than the #4 or #5 seeds.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:31 am

Sorry, I was wrong…Detroit could have, at best, 5 fewer wins than the #4 or 5 seed.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:33 am

Tomahawkin,
Maybe I’m calloused for thinking this, but I turned off Broke in about the same amount of time, because I just can’t feel sorry for pro-athletes who blow their wad doing stupid stuff… maybe I’m being too judgmental?

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
8:38 am

“because I just can’t feel sorry for pro-athletes who blow their wad doing stupid stuff”—usnavyvolfaninva

Agreed, I have no sympathy at all for people who blow through that kind of money, many of whom have never worked a day in their lives

I was amazed at the end in how many Athletes went bankrupt…Lower tier guys like Wally Backman, among others

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:40 am

Then again, we’re all human, and we all screw up. If going broke isn’t the end of the story, and the guy fixes himself, then that’s awesome… I’m a big believer in redemption.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
8:40 am

Probably isn’t a big deal, but I did make a little bit of a math error. These are the actual probabilities of each team getting each seed, assuming all games today are a 50/50 shot.

1 seed: Yankees 68.75%, A’s 25%, Rangers 6.25%
2 seed: Rangers 43.75%, A’s 25%, Yankees 18.75%, Orioles 12.5%
3 seed: Tigers 100%
4 seed: Orioles 37.5%, A’s 25%, Rangers 25%, Yankees 12.5%
5 seed: Orioles 50%, Texas 25%, A’s 25%

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
8:40 am

“maybe I’m being too judgmental?”

No not at all because many of them become ####’s once they get all that kind of money…Ya know the ones who blantantly gloat about it to the average person…

The Leboring James is the Perfect example

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:43 am

Brian, you made a math error? That’s sooo front-page, man!! JK. I got my math degree, but sucked at statistics. probably just didn’t invest the time needed to learn the stuff.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:46 am

Yeah, I think LBJ is primed for a huge personal downfall…I don’t necessarily wish it on people, but sometimes they need that wake-up call.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
8:46 am

Yet he has won 13 games on a playoff team and is only 26 years old. What’s he worth? Who would have thought just recently that our future wouldn’t include either Jurrjens or Hanson? I’m thinking we better put him in a deal this year before this becomes Jurrjens x2. Agree or Disagree? — Garla

I don’t know that you could get anything of value in return. His trade value is at a low right now. It’s a real tough spot to be in. No easy solutions.—DOB

Isn’t that what I’ve been saying for months?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:48 am

I agree that our bench needs help….Wren better be maxing out his cell-phone minutes. LOL.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:49 am

Re Hanson, I’m not convinced he’s 100%. I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe that he can’t be as good as he was (dang, threw a little Toby Keith in there)

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
8:50 am

Average seed of each AL team for all scenarios, assuming 50/50 result of each game played today. This tells you who is in the best position.

Yankees – 1.56
A’s – 3
Rangers – 3.19
Orioles – 4.25

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
8:58 am

Lee in S GA,
Keith Lockhart or the much feared Ryan Langerhans.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
8:59 am

I don’t think he’s 100% either.

But y’all do realize that as far as games go, that last night’s was about as meaningless a game as you’ll ever see – today’s too? Other than Chipper and Sheets retirement and it being their last regular season game, of course.

the truth...

October 3rd, 2012
9:01 am

Wish Brooksy was here and on the roster in place of Hinske………since he’d never be put in the field at 2nd he couldn’t hurt us there and God knows he can’t be any worse than Big Eric has been this year………..

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:01 am

Lew,
yeah, i’ll admit a three-game losing streak heading into the postseason doesn’t look good, but it’s all cosmetic. These games mean NOTHING in the practical sense. Hanson had a chance to head out into the sunset on a high note, and it didn’t happen. I wish him the best.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:05 am

Must-win game today. Can’t go into the playoffs slumping. Would really like to see the offense break out today. Everyone got their rest yesterday and will tomorrow. Gotta go all out today.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
9:06 am

usnavyvolfaninva

“Lee in S GA,
Keith Lockhart or the much feared Ryan Langerhans.”

I want Mike Mordecai or Mike Devereux back. They were Money in the Postseason

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:07 am

I could be wrong, but I refuse to believe that he can’t be as good as he was

He won’t be a #1-2 again…. I don’t think he’s done, but he won’t/shouldn’t be coming back as a Brave. Will be very hard to trade him this offseason.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
9:07 am

navyvolfan – Yeah – maybe thy’ll trade him – maybe not. You can’t ever have too much pitching and he’ll still be relatively inexpensive next year – especially for a number five pitcher. But they do have a lot of young pitching they can’t keep hiding in the minors, so we’ll see how it shakes out. Wouldn’t surpirse me if they trade him or don’t.

But for a number five pitcher, he isn’t nearly as bad as most of the Fantasy baseballers make him out to be. Of course, some team might be willing to take all of our (supposed) dead weight in return for someone they don’t want to trade.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:11 am

Tomahawkin…
LOL…or pull Mark Lemke out of the studio and get him in there!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:14 am

TOBF,
Please don’t misunderstand; I don’t think the Braves should keep Hanson. Let him be someone else’s project. I’m just saying that he has the potential to be great again. But I’ve been wrong before (don’t tell my wife)

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:15 am

Hanson shouldn’t be our #5 next year… we have too many other good arms that need to contribute. I’m giving that spot to Delgado/Teheran next year

Shame for Hanson is that he had a chance to end his year on a good note. Feel bad for him.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:16 am

Problem Hanson’s upside is what? A 4 or 5 at this point? Why not try Delgado and Teheran. Hanson has shown the inability to go deep in games or keep the ball in the ballpark, hold runners, etc.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:16 am

BTW, I almost feel really sorry for Bobby Valentine. He goes out to check on one of his players, and gets a chorus of Boos from the Bronx faithful. Yeah, I know, it’s the Red Sox. But he also gets his share of boos from the Bostonians. Guy can’t win (on or off the field)

Veer

October 3rd, 2012
9:16 am

A’s deserve credit for what they have done with bunch of nobodies. Billy Beane is a genius.
A’s Rangers game is worth the watch today.

I suspect Rangers vs Orioles for the playoff game.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:18 am

Yeah, the A’s came out of nowhere, didn’t they? I have to be careful what I say around the wife, she being a Texan. I almost got served divorce papers when I asked her how the Cowboys did on Monday night. LOL

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
9:18 am

Must-win game today. Can’t go into the playoffs slumping. Would really like to see the offense break out today. Everyone got their rest yesterday and will tomorrow. Gotta go all out today.

LOL, are you serious? This game’s as meaningless as last night’s. I’d give the regulars maybe one AB to keep tuned up. Chipper, Heyward, and Prado are not going to struggle on Friday because Overbay, Baker, and Hinske can’t hit today.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
9:20 am

You guys do realize we’re doomed, right?

Couldn’t hit a light pole with a tractor trailer rig from a foot away….

But I’m sure we’ll have some really good excuses ready for late night Friday.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:20 am

LOL, are you serious? This game’s as meaningless as last night’s. I’d give the regulars maybe one AB to keep tuned up. Chipper, Heyward, and Prado are not going to struggle on Friday because Overbay, Baker, and Hinske can’t hit today. – Brian from SC.

Brian, can you quantify that in a probability calculation? LOL.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:21 am

Morning phil…I see the glass is half-full from where you’re standing again.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:22 am

“This game’s as meaningless as last night’s.”

No it isn’t. This team’s offense is as cold as ice. I’m expecting the starters to all play 9 innings and light up the scoreboard. Need to get into a good rhythm and have confidence that we can actually score runs, because right now, I’m not sure they can.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
9:23 am

Hanson has been off from day one…

Recall driving off the road? Blaming a blown tire, which is crap if there ever was any?

Maybe he’ll rededicate himself to his career this offseason. He darn well better.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
9:24 am

I think DOB actually knows Friday’s game time, he’s just keeping it a secret to make sure he gets a good parking spot.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
9:24 am

No it isn’t. This team’s offense is as cold as ice. I’m expecting the starters to all play 9 innings and light up the scoreboard. Need to get into a good rhythm and have confidence that we can actually score runs, because right now, I’m not sure they can.

The Braves offense has been struggling for weeks, and you think having one good game is going to all of a sudden make them a better offensive team?

The Braves will win Friday and throughout the playoffs if they allow very few runs. Tonight’s game is totally meaningless, and will be treated as such by Fredi and the players.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:24 am

UKUGA,
LOL…good one.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:25 am

BTW, anyone know if the play-in game is sold out?

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:25 am

“Maybe he’ll rededicate himself to his career this offseason. He darn well better.”

How does one rededicate themselves into 5 more MPHs on their fastball, holding runnings with a 3rd delievery, and not giving up homers on tipped curveballs?

Bat Masterson

October 3rd, 2012
9:26 am

flange1

October 3rd, 2012
9:26 am

phil,

what is Hanson fat too?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:26 am

Problem Hanson’s upside is what? A 4 or 5 at this point? Why not try Delgado and Teheran.

This. Are we going to continue with a guy making 3mil who’s upside is a 4 or do we move on to guys with #2 upside making 500k? Seems easy to me.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:27 am

“anyone know if the play-in game is sold out?”

Honestly, I seriously doubt it. There aren’t 45,000 Braves fans in Atlanta to pack that place and they’ve already had their farewell games with Chipper. As of last night there were still tickets.

Bat Masterson

October 3rd, 2012
9:27 am

Hanson, Hanson

Bat Masterson

October 3rd, 2012
9:27 am

Hanson, Hanson, Hanson

Bat Masterson

October 3rd, 2012
9:28 am

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
9:28 am

If tonight’s game was a “must-win,” Tim Hudson would be starting, not Ben Sheets.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:28 am

We could have a winter deal/package. We can call it the “Never run on us again” package.

Package includes the trade pieces of: Brian McCann and Tommy Hanson. ;)

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
9:30 am

@phil

Runners Just Run at Will on Big Red, He just gives them the base at times without even giving them a look back…He is so ready for this season to be over you can see it in his body demeanor when he is on the Hill…

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:30 am

Oh, and do we stick with the pitcher with an 87mph FB or go to the guys with the 92-94…

Speed isn’t everything, but to have a pitcher that can throw fastballs past a hitter would be nice.

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
9:31 am

In their past 13 games, the Braves have hit .209 with 42 runs, six homers, no double-digit hits games, scored three runs or fewer in nine games, and scored two runs or fewer in six.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:32 am

I would love to have a chance to steal a base off Tommy Hanson… might make it!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:33 am

I guess I’ll never understand the local fan base. Seems like throughout the ’90s, Fulton was packed and bursting at the seams every year. I’ve posed this question before, but why not now? Economy? lack of enthusiasm? transportation? all 3 and maybe more reasons?

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
9:33 am

Hanson, Hanson, Hanson
Hinske

Someone ought to wash your mouth out with soap. Please, there are children on the blog! Think of the children.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:34 am

Those are frightening numbers, DOB. Our starters can’t go out there thinking they’re going to have to throw a perfect game just to have a chance.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:34 am

“In their past 13 games, the Braves have hit .209 with 42 runs, six homers, no double-digit hits games, scored three runs or fewer in nine games, and scored two runs or fewer in six.”

We’ll turn it all on Friday, no need to try and win the game today. :roll: :cry:

bravofan

October 3rd, 2012
9:35 am

do not ever call ticketmaster and expect someone to answer within a reasonable time period. Just ridiculous.

Doug

October 3rd, 2012
9:35 am

Why does this feel like so many other seasons that end with the Braves going into a collective offensive coma? I have an awful feeling about our one-game “series” with St. Louis. How can we turn that wonderful feeling of last weekend into another winter of total disgust? Hope I’m wrong & we at least get to play a real series against a division winner. Go Braves!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:36 am

Murph,
here’s a worse one….Dan Kolb

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:36 am

“I would love to have a chance to steal a base off Tommy Hanson… might make it!”

I’d love a chance to hit against him, just sit on the curveball. ;) Or swing at the first 2 pitches in order to get him right where I want him at 0-2 in order for him to groove a pitch to me or walk me without putting me away. He makes everyone look like Martin Prado with 2 strikes.

bravofan

October 3rd, 2012
9:36 am

If I pre-purchase parking for monday’s game will I be refunded if the game does not take place?

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
9:37 am

Of course you try to win, but the incentive to win is not big enough to risk the health of your players. You tell Sheets, Overbay, Baker, and Constanza to go out there and try their hardest to win the game.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:39 am

“You tell Sheets, Overbay, Baker, and Constanza to go out there and try their hardest to win the game.”

You do realize we are going to have a full lineup today, right?

Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Chipper
Freeman
Uggla
Ross
Simmons

bravofan

October 3rd, 2012
9:40 am

9 minutes later someone with ticketmaster finally answers the phone.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:42 am

bravofan,
good one. I think they sell refundable parking tickets for a higher price.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:43 am

bravofan,
…and the guy you’re talking to is probably answering the phone in Pakistan, right?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:43 am

So, what are we doing with Hanson this offseason? Not going to be traded for anything of value…. I’ll take a “Salary Relief” type prospect for him, if possible. Non-tender may still be possible. ;)

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
9:43 am

Right – tell them to try their hardest to win the game, but not to get hurt so they won’t have to play the first string who will play in the game that really matters.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:44 am

TOBF,
what is a “non-tender?” Sorry, I’m not as with it on some of these terms as most are.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
9:44 am

Trout or Cabrera for AL MVP. Id vote Trout

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
9:44 am

You do realize we are going to have a full lineup today, right?

Only for a few innings, to let them get some swings in. But they won’t be focusing on winning so much as seeing pitches and maintaining their timing. When the regulars go out, then you tell the backups to go out there and get that W! :)

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
9:46 am

MFin04

“anyone know if the play-in game is sold out?”

“Honestly, I seriously doubt it. There aren’t 45,000 Braves fans in Atlanta to pack that place and they’ve already had their farewell games with Chipper. As of last night there were still tickets.”

I’m prolly gonna have to get there at noon to get the Dollar seats or the 20 Dollar Standing room Only, Then Its onto the Chophouse after Tailgating with the “Thanks Bobby” Crew…I though I saw Robert Tailgating with them in the Green Lot?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:46 am

JulienB Wayne Jones ‏@bravesfanjulien
@mlbbowman @KevinMcAlpin @tom_hart Does Tommy Hanson have much trade value this winter?

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman
@bravesfanjulien he probably has a little. But you certinaly will not get a significant return for him.

Just a little…. wasn’t expecting a significant return, even if he was healthy. He’s not Shields/Greinke.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:46 am

While I agree that there is not much to be gained from 1 or 2 at bats today – it’d sure be nice to see one of Chipper, McCann or Heyward take one out. Just be nice to see from a fans perspective who is alarmed at how bad the plate appearances have been from those three over the last month or in Mac’s case, since July 1st of 2011(almost all because of injury).

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:47 am

unbelivable,
Cabrera, ESPECIALLY if he wins the Triple Crown…he helped vault the Tigers over the ChiSox to win the Division.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
9:47 am

Murph,
here’s a worse one….Dan Kolb

You disgust me, sir. To think that people can come on a family blog and spew such trash… it’s borderline hate crime.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:49 am

Murph,
Just for that….Charlie Kerf(bleep). Wow, that one was so bad I got bleeped!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:49 am

what is a “non-tender?” Sorry, I’m not as with it on some of these terms as most are.

Basically a release. The Braves would not give (tender) Tommy an arbitration offer.

Matt Chernoff ‏@RealMattlanta
I know the game doesn’t matter today but I’d like to see the #Braves put up 4 or 5 runs with the starters in. It will make me feel better.

Bat Masterson

October 3rd, 2012
9:49 am

Sorry, Murph

I’m really busy this morning, but want to participate, so I’m complaining in minimalistic code.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:52 am

Freddie Freeman since August 13th when he reached his 2nd half high of OPS, and high since Mid-May(.829): .212/.319/.417 – 45 games, 185 PA’s. 25/45 BB/K ratio.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
9:52 am

Imagine a world where Jurrjens and Hanson has lived up to their potential and avoided injuries… the Braves’ rotation would have rivaled those famous rotations of the 90’s.

It’s sad. But, that’s baseball I s’pose. Win some, lose some. Amazing that this team has pitched as well as it has without those two… and without Beachy. The other guys in the rotation deserve some real credit for this season, especially September. From the looks of the stats that DOB posted, the pitching is the only thing that kept this team from September Collapse 2.0.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:52 am

Freddie Freeman since August 13th when he reached his 2nd half high of OPS, and high since Mid-May(.829): .212/.319/.417 – 45 games, 185 PA’s. 25/45 BB/K ratio.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:52 am

“Just be nice to see from a fans perspective who is alarmed at how bad the plate appearances have been from those three over the last month”

Exactly. Gotta see these guys do something good. I mean a 2-hitter in a must-win game for the division against a terrible pitcher and a terrible team and we lose 2-1, that can’t be a good sign for a play-in game.

As for McCann, I really don’t understand starting him in the playoffs. He has shown little or no value offensively for a while now and defensively he is a liability compared to Ross.

I mean if we are going all Shaun’s theory on AL MVP of hitting/fielding/baserunning then Ross > McCann

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:54 am

Basically a release. The Braves would not give (tender) Tommy an arbitration offer.

Why are you still talking about this? Your obsession with his future is definitely weird, man. Especially the negative tone on near every single post.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:55 am

I mean a 2-hitter in a must-win game for the division against a terrible pitcher and a terrible team and we lose 2-1, that can’t be a good sign for a play-in game.

Not looking at it that way. Jusat would love to see a home run for one of the middle of the order hitters to bring some confidence to them. Especially Jason.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
9:56 am

usnavyvol asked what a non-tender is…. I just explained.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
9:57 am

Well, crap. I was hoping for Chipper to get to 550 doubles and 470 HR. Doesn’t look like it will happen unless he gets 3 AB today and just destroys the ball. Oh well.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
9:57 am

Cabrera, ESPECIALLY if he wins the Triple Crown…he helped vault the Tigers over the ChiSox to win the Division

Triple crown is nice and all, but its not a hitting award. Trout has a higher OPS+ (170 to 167) and WAR (10.7 to 6.9). He plays a much more demanding position in CF. Angels also have a better record that Detroit, 89-72 to 87-74.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
9:57 am

Murph

October 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
DOB, any idea why the blog forums are running so horribly lately? Did the AJC just upgrade the software or something?
**********************************************
Good morning all
THANK YOU Murph, I was beginning to think I was the only one to notice how bad and slow the blog has been since they took it down for a few hours weeks ago, when it came back up there was talk we would have to register our names, Those AJC teck guys sure messed it up.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
9:57 am

I get that Hanson had an ERA of 4.5, but do you really think the Braves are going to release him because 3 million is too much? Not gonna happen. I fully expect teams to ask about acquiring him. I don’t think you get how bad some of the rotations are around this league. And no, no one is asking for great value for Tommy. Just a fair deal of which we aren’t robbing the other teams house.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
9:58 am

“Matt Chernoff ‏@RealMattlanta
I know the game doesn’t matter today but I’d like to see the #Braves put up 4 or 5 runs with the starters in. It will make me feel better.”

Co-Sign!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:58 am

Efrim,
Yeah, that was my fault. Didn’t think I was opening a can of worms with my question.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am

As for McCann, I really don’t understand starting him in the playoffs.

He’s left handed, and being left handed trumps his bum shoulder, his inability to throw out a baserunner, and his total lack of hitting outside of a couple of weeks during the season.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am

OK, what is WAR (see, I’m learning so much today!)

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am

“No it isn’t. This team’s offense is as cold as ice. I’m expecting the starters to all play 9 innings and light up the scoreboard. Need to get into a good rhythm and have confidence that we can actually score runs, because right now, I’m not sure they can.”

To quote John McEnroe, “you cannot be serious”. This game is meaningless and the hitting is what it is right now. One game is going to factor in result for Friday night. C’mon man.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am

“Angels also have a better record that Detroit, 89-72 to 87-74.”

Who is going to the playoffs? ;)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:00 am

Trout has a higher OPS+ (170 to 167)

Isn’t this sort of significant? Haven’t seen this mentioned too much – just seen folks say that Miggy has a SLG 50 points higher.

I’d like to think we’ve gotten to the point where we can understand adjustments for ballpark, right? But I guess some folks are enamored with the Triple Crown…..

I am not. I’d still vote for Trout.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

unbelievable,
I’m not completely dismissing your case for Trout, but at the end of the day, Cabrera’s going to play more games than Trout, and I think the powers that be will see that more than the two extra wins the Angels have…..but who knows?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
#Braves Game 162 (at PIT): Bourn 8, Prado 7, Heyward 9, Freeman 3, Uggla 4, McCann 2, Francisco 5, Simmons 6, Sheets 1

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

Well what’s a fair deal when both DOB and Bowman say that he has little value?

DOB said “I don’t know that you could get anything of value in return.” That’s not me hating on Hanson, others have said it.

Hanson’s only a 1yr acquisition unless he really proves himself next year. Quite a risk for a GM to take, even if they’re trading spare parts for him.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:02 am

This Matt Chernoff guy would fit really well in the comments section of this blog, I think. Certainly during the game time.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:03 am

Freddie Freeman since August 20th .238/.346/.485/.831 22/39 BB/K.
He has been smacking them right at people lately. Noticed quite a number of times he’s muscled some hits through the right side of the infield. But I’ve also noticed he’s been pulling almost everything to the right side. Seemed when he was dominating (Jun19-Aug12: .321/.419/.530/.949) he was spraying the ball all over the field.

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:03 am

Very up and down team offensively. Too bad we’re in a downward trend right now. Pushing across 2 runs lately has been like pulling eye-teeth. Maybe Meds can throw a shutout and they wild pitch a guy in from 3rd after a walk and 2 sacrifice bunts. :) We get no-hit, but we win!

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:04 am

Well, my my… I didn’t realize game 162 was a day game. This should make for a productive day at work.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:04 am

Braves had six players with 57 walks or more heading into game 162 – Uggla(93), Bourn(69), Freeman(64), Heyward(58), Prado(58), and Chipper Jones(57).

Impressive.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:04 am

“anyone know if the play-in game is sold out?

best tickets available when i was there on sunday were in section 431. thats one of the last sections they fill up. so yeah, i think its basically a sell out. there are tickets on stub hub if you want some.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
10:06 am

I’m no Expert on here but Big Red is Hurt.

Thats the only explanation on the decline in his fastball velocity over the last 3 seasons (92-93 in 2010 to 87-89 present) …and with that much torque in his arm on his shortarm release, he’s due for structural damage…Its the only probable cause other than the Bora$..shole effect starting prior to the 2011 season

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:06 am

Martin’s been swing under everything lately with that slice-swing. Wish he’d get on top of it and pull a few to left.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:06 am

But I’ve also noticed he’s been pulling almost everything to the right side.

Him and Heyward. Near everything it seems.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

Uggs and Mac back to back. That has been dynamite strategy all year round. yeesh.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

“Braves had six players with 57 walks or more heading into game 162″

Now show us the strikeouts. ;) Lol. Or show us the strikeouts with men on base when putting the ball in play meant a run.

Gosh I hope this offense really catches fire today. I can’t stop imagining bad things for Friday.

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

Hanson’s only a 1yr acquisition unless he really proves himself next year. Quite a risk for a GM to take, even if they’re trading spare parts for him.

I’m not asking for Wil Myers back from Hanson. I think he could be included in a package for a hitter, or even a RH reliever – which I happen to think we really need next year. Someone not in the Linebrink/Durbin mold. Closer to Saito.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

But I guess some folks are enamored with the Triple Crown…..

I am not.

That’s a shame. It’s only been achieved 13 times since 1901 and the last time was in the mid/late 60’s. It’s like Haley’s Comet is coming around and you’re all “bah humbug.” Payne acted similarly when Howard was on the verge of hitting 60HR in the post-roid/testing era. Howard landed 2 shy, but it was pretty cool to see if he’d make it.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:09 am

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am
OK, what is WAR (see, I’m learning so much today!)

***************************
About WAR, I don’t understand what numbers they use as the replacement numbers. Who is the repacement they are compareing to?

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
10:12 am

“best tickets available when i was there on sunday were in section 431. thats one of the last sections they fill up. so yeah, i think its basically a sell out. there are tickets on stub hub if you want some.”

Are those the skyline seats…?

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M. Hudson has to stay healthy. Bad memories of Glavine coming back in 2008 for 8M and absolutely nothing contributed.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .182 .308 .242 0.550 .267 ___82
Prado__ .313 .405 .594 0.999 .429 __224
Heyward .206 .270 .324 0.594 .315 ___94
Freeman .235 .297 .529 0.827 .353 __167
Uggla__ .276 .371 .379 0.751 .365 __146
McCann_ .172 .250 .207 0.457 .219 ___51
Francis .226 .250 .419 0.669 .284 __116
Simmons .138 .219 .172 0.391 .192 ___29
Sheets_ .000 .071 .000 0.071 .096 __-75

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

No way BMAC should start Friday. IF FG starts him, it’s loyalty over best chance to win 1 game. Kind of decisions that could blow up in your face.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

It’s like Haley’s Comet is coming around and you’re all “bah humbug.”

Damn straight. A third of the award is something I do not look at when evaluating a player, and honestly, I can’t remember the last time I was in a discussion with you, scoots, nolie or anyone else and even mentioned it. I don’t sit here and say “Look! Heyward has 81 RBI this year!!! That’s solid!!!!”.

So, while I can appreciate the “coolness” factor, I don’t really care. And it might be a shame to you – not to me.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

So Chipper isn’t starting in Game 162 of his final ever regular season game? Another bummer.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

I think there will be a slightly better lineup out there this afternoon, yesterdays was a real G-BRAVES lineup. Game was boring.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

usnavyvolfaninva – Cabrera is going to play more games. Keep in mind however that the Angels were 6-14 when Trout was called up. He’s led them to being playoff contenders. He plays a more demanding position, hits in a tougher ballpark, and is still worth almost 4 wins more than Cabrera. He’s basically the same hitter is you look at OPS+, a better defender, and a better baserunner.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M

They’ll pick up both, I can just about guarantee it.

Hudson will have offseason surgery to take care of the bone spur, and McCann will probably come into next season in the best shape of his life, it being a contract year and all.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

“Keith Lockhart or the much feared Ryan Langerhans”

Although Langerhan played a key role the last time the Braves won a playoff game at home. Had a big double in the game Mac went yard against the Rocket and he started that game. Just saying.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

TnPaul,
Man, I was in such a good mood until you posted those numbers. Half our lineup is automatic outs! OUCH!

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M. Hudson has to stay healthy. Bad memories of Glavine coming back in 2008 for 8M and absolutely nothing contributed.

How are either question marks? No catcher in the system can replace McCann next year and Hudson for 9 million, even at age 37 is a solid bargain. Both will be picked up shortly after the conclusion of the World Series. Maholm too.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

MFin04

“Braves had six players with 57 walks or more heading into game 162″

Now show us the strikeouts. Lol. Or show us the strikeouts with men on base when putting the ball in play meant a run.

Gosh I hope this offense really catches fire today. I can’t stop imagining bad things for Friday.”

Co-Sign! I don’t what Chaps my #### More during Blown RISP and less than 2 out chances???

A Pop Up or A 3 pitch K as a result of swinging for the fences…Can’t swing for the fences in Cool October Air, Ball is not gonna carry and other than The Great American Smallpark, all the playoff teams play in below avg or pitcher friendly parks

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:16 am

I don’t sit here and say “Look! Heyward has 81 RBI this year!!! That’s solid!!!!”

There’s only one regular on here that such a statement would seem apt and it isn’t scoots, me or nolie.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

WAR doesn’t seem quite as useful to compare differently positioned players. The guys have completely different jobs, on completely different teams, with completely different roles. And when you do compare their offensive stats, it isn’t that close. Not to mention one guy is going to do something that has only been done 13 times since 1901. Wow.

And it isn’t like he is just hitting for average, driving in runs, and hitting homers. His OPS is over 1.000! .44 points higher than Trouts.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

Frankie,
good point. I just threw his name out for no particular reason.

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

Yeh, Triple Crown is no biggy. People do that all the time, like once every 45 years, maybe. Utter nonsense. If it was Chipper it would be the best thing since sliced bread.

flange1

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

The Twins need pitching VERY badly for 2013.

I think Hanson is going there as part of a deal for Willingham or Span of both.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am

Who is the repacement they are compareing to? – George George

League average ball players

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am

Question marks regarding lot of money spent and chance of little return on investment. Pretty much have to do it, could blow up just as easily.

Huddy is a solid bargain but that 9M could be used for a FA pitcher as well, say Kyle Lohse who is 3 years younger.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:19 am

I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:19 am

His OPS is over 1.000! .44 points higher than Trouts. -MFin04

Trout hits in a much more pitcher friendly ballpark. OPS+ is park adjusted and Trout is higher. Not by much, but Trout leads the AL in OPS+

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

“Frankie,
good point. I just threw his name out for no particular reason”

I got ya Navy. Just have fond memories of that night as I attended. Can’t believe its been that long since a victory at home.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

There are more disturbing stats, that place Tommy towards the bottom of starting pitchers this year…. We’ll see what happens this winter. I sincerely hope you are right, Efrim.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
**********
Thank you.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

I think what has been lost in this whole WAR debate is that homers and RBIs still do matter, and matter quite a bit. They aren’t just about timing and positioning in the order, it still is a skill. You do have to drive in guys when they are on in order to get RBIs. Look at this team there is some correlation between the low RBI numbers and guys not being able to put the ball in play with RISP. Free Swinging Freddie leads the team in RBIs. Hmm, probably because he does tend to put the ball in play more than other guys.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

There’s only one regular on here that such a statement would seem apt and it isn’t scoots, me or nolie.

Okay….not really sure why that would bother you. Take that out of it, and I’d love to hear what your thoughts on what I said before that.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

It’s been bizarre to sit back and watch the American League MVP debate unfold. There has never been anything like it. Has there? Maybe it started out as a debate over the credentials of Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera. But now it’s erupted into your basic civil war between new-age and old-age thinkers. On one side, you hear the self-appointed enlightened minds of a new millennium screaming, “The Triple Crown is meaningless.” On the other side, you hear the Carl Yastrzemski Fan Club roaring, “WAR is just a bunch of sabermetric baloney.”
But here’s the deal: Both sides are wrong. If Miguel Cabrera pulls off this triple crown, it’s NOT meaningless. It might not mean what it meant when, say, Joe Medwick won it. But there’s a tradition, a dash of folklore and a certain romance in play here. And ohbytheway, if NONE of the great hitters who have passed through the old batter’s box in the past 45 years have found a way to win this thing, it must be pretty frigging hard to do, right?
So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.

–Jason Stark

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
10:23 am

Absolutely….in my best Pennsylvania Dutch…..absoooluuuuuuutely, we pick and choose our wins and loses, vis-a-vis playing our ‘full lineup’ vs. our ‘fullest lineup,’ [example] The Hinske’s, The Francisco’s….and, The Gastrointestinally Challenged……..Go Bravs!

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:23 am

George_George

“I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.”

Agreed, Stuff like that can make a Casual Fan lose interest in the game, especially if there are a bunch of kids involved…Taking Kids to a Game is EXPENSIVE!!! And Gas ain’t getting any Cheaper!

Bank on 4 dollar gas by Thanksgiving!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:24 am

I think I like Jason Stark.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:24 am

So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.”

You can celebrate it until the martians land – doesn’t mean I have too. And I think it’s patently absurd to say that I’ve lost touch with the sport because of that.

And if Stark truly thought both sides were wrong and had a foot in each camp, I hope he’d have more than just this to support the “WAR folks” –

On the other side, you hear the Carl Yastrzemski Fan Club roaring, “WAR is just a bunch of sabermetric baloney.”

But I didn’t read the whole article. Hope there was more to it than that.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 am

Tomahawkin,
It’s about $3.55 on average here in Eastern VA.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 am

i still think RBI are cool.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 am

Basically, if you don’t care too much about the Triple Crown – you are Shaun, and if you do, you are a real baseball fan.

That’s f!cking stupid.

How in the world can it be black and white like that?

flange1

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 am

Thanks for the quote TennPaul, that is the best comment that I have seen on the AL MVP.

I hope Miggy wins the Triple Crown. Has not been done often and he is a great hitter, hope he can join the list of folks that have won the Crown. Congratulations should come from everyone in the game.

But saying that, I think Trout should and will win the MVP. While he did not win the Triple Crown, he had a better season and was a MORE valuable player.

IMHO.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 am

Wow

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/

Safeco Field iwill be Bringing in their Fences Next Season, Hopefully the Braves will Follow Suit, Hate Hate Hate Boring Pitchers Duels!

Especially when its 2 starting pitchers who have 5.50 ERAS, Nobody wants to pay 250 bucks for a family of 4 to see that ####

Houston will bring in its CF field fence as well, starting next year

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 am

Time for the Golden boy to do something special this year in the playoffs starting Friday. Heyward looked absolutely horrific back in 2010 against the Giants. Of course, the whole lineup did as well but time for this guy to step up.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 am

I have as much confidence in Meds as anyone, but Jesus Christ, does anyone truly believe the offense will actually show up?!

I understand the career numbers against Lohse, but thats also saying the same thing as saying that the Cardinals offense is REALLY good….

So either the Braves offense finally comes out of the proverbial coma its in OR Meds finally get kicked around by a solid offense….

At this point, I’m not certain which will happen….I am just afraid this offense will be the death of this team, and it won’t even take ace type pitching to do it.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

I’d love to hear what your thoughts on what I said before that

The Stark quote pretty welled summed up my thoughts on this debate. But “what you said before that” was basically you don’t look at RBI… is there supposed to be a response to what numbers you enjoy perusing? If you like average, fine. If you like WAR, fine. If you pound any one stat as an end all, be all stat in a conversation about a player, then I’d have a few thoughts to offer. But I haven’t seen you do that, so…

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

i still think RBI are cool.

If someone had 200 RBI or some high number in a season, I would probably think that’s pretty cool. I wouldn’t sing the praises of it. I’d smirk, say good for him and his team, and go about my business. If someone won 30 games, I’d think it was pretty cool.

I don’t value either stats that heavily though, so it’s tough for me to consider it jaw dropping cool.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

If this game is at 4:00 on Friday, I’m probably gonna have to let some scalper rip me off when I sell him one of my tickets.

If he only offers me $5, then I’ll gladly hold onto the extra ticket for leg room.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 am

Tomahawkin,
It’s about $3.55 on average here in Eastern VA

It was 3.35 In NW Mississippi when I was coming back from Memphis on Labor Day as opposed to 3.95 out here in Gwinnett during labor day, what a Hustle!

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 am

So, is Houston getting rid of the flag pole in CF?

phil

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I haven’t followed Cabrera’s exploits this season at all…..

This morning, I saw his numbers posted vs those of Trout.

It’s not even close.

Cabrera has had an unbelievable season and clearly deserves the silly MVP award. Never mind that his team is in the playoffs while the Angels sit it out, long mentioned as being part of the criteria in most seasons for picking an MVP. I now don’t even understand why it’s being discussed.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

“I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.”

I’d feel bad for her if she had to see the game on Monday. The Tuesday game at least the guys showed up and hit the ball even though they were backups. The Monday group got 2-hit by a horrible lefty pitcher.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

OK, so I just read the definition of WAR on wikipedia (so it must be true)….seems like a highly subjective way of evaluating an every day player.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

P-Town Brave ©

“I have as much confidence in Meds as anyone, but Jesus Christ, does anyone truly believe the offense will actually show up?!”

Co-Sign Dude, I seriously hope they make us eat crow and Give MEDS some early runs! I don’t want to see another 1 run on 8 hits performance as we have seen often the last 2 months

Meds is gonna have to be near perfect though. Have a feeling an itchy one!

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I think Miggy putting the Tigers on his back in September and into the playoffs gets him the MVP….

Look at their numbers in September….Miggy was unreal, Trout was average….

Yeah take them both of their respective teams and neither is all that much to talk about, but w/ or w/o Trout, they STILL don’t make the playoffs…..

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I think the offense will be more of a issue in the following series against the Nats or Reds. We somehow scratch and claw to a victory Friday night. Gets further exposed starting the following series.

Hate this lineup as constructed 1-8 and always have. FG playing dangerously game the last 4 weeks not shaking it up and winning by starting pitching strength period in September.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Cabrera helped lead his team past the White Sox and into the playoffs. Trout will be staying at home and go fishing for trout.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Ef, he went on to say: “BUT, now that I’ve got that preamble out of the way, I have to admit: I missed the memo that says, “If you hit this trifecta, you should automatically win yourself a shiny, new MVP trophy.” That, to me, seems just as absurd.
He believes Trout deserves the MVP. He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

The triple crown is very hard to do, so the player MUST get a lot of credit for doing it.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 am

So, is Houston getting rid of the flag pole in CF?

Nevermind…Typo dude, My bad…They are unlikely to move it in…I like the Flagpole in play as well as the Tal’s Hill idea, Its unique

phil

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….

:roll:

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Playoff HRs and RBIs will matter a heckuva a lot more than Playoff WAR on Friday, that’s for sure. ;)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:34 am

But “what you said before that” was basically you don’t look at RBI… is there supposed to be a response to what numbers you enjoy perusing?

No. It’s a third of the award, which is a significant portion to me. So I have trouble with caring all that much about the award because of it. Sorry, just have trouble getting past that and giving Miguel Cabrera the MVP based on that alone.

He’d be #2 for me though.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 am

MFin04 – Nothing is lost in a WAR conversation. It takes hitting, defense, and baserunning into play to evaluate total performance. MVP awards should go to the best all-around player, correct? Some people want to look at just offensive production to evaluate players. Trout shouldnt be penalized for the RBI conversation just because he’s a leadoff hitter. Both of these guys are great players, but Trout is far superior when it comes to defense, baserunning, and according to OPS+ they are basically the same hitter.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 am

phil

“Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….”

Where is ChrisFromSacramento At?

I hope Heyward will do a interview where he dedicates his comeback season to him…Too Bad Buster Poser is gonna win comeback POY

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

phil,
I actually understand where “unbelivable” is coming from. Trout has benefitted his team, there’s no doubt. I just think getting your team to the playoffs carries more weight. But I respect his opinion.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

I wish gas was $3.55 a gallon up here – it’s closer to $3.95.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.”
–Jason Stark

yeah, efrim. ;-)

but in all honesty, even if you dont think miggy should win MVP, if you cant get exited about a guy winning the triple crown, and acknowledge what a big deal that is, your the tin man of baseball fans. no heart, totally missing the importance of history and milestones in this game. i can only assume that many of chipper’s accolades this season have been lost on you to, this season.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

“Look at their numbers in September….Miggy was unreal, Trout was average….

Yeah take them both of their respective teams and neither is all that much to talk about, but w/ or w/o Trout, they STILL don’t make the playoffs…”

I think this is the part that gets lost in all the statical evaluation. Winning is what matters and winning down the stretch and making the playoffs matters even that much more. When discussing VALUE, making the playoffs is of HUGE importance. There is a TON of VALUE in making the playoffs.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 am

Yeah, I didn’t realize it, but we have some of the lowest prices in the country. that and SC.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 am

Will all of that said, I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown. Its an amazing accomplishment.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Frankie

“I think the offense will be more of a issue in the following series against the Nats or Reds. We somehow scratch and claw to a victory Friday night. Gets further exposed starting the following series.”

This The Same Offense That Got Swept in 4 games at The Great American Smallpark earlier this season…The Only hitting was done by Bourn who hit 3 solo homers and has been trying to hit Like Willie Mays Hayes Since Then….

You heard it here first!

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Yeah – no doubt about it that RBI are meaningless, but I sure as hell wish we had three or four players with 90 or more.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

“Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….”

Might be right there. Looks good one ab, like a rookie the next. When the hell has anybody been locked in with this lineup? McCann back in July.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Lew . . . FTW!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 am

“MVP awards should go to the best all-around player, correct?”

Sure. But what weights you and I give to hitting/base-running/position on the field/defense/making the playoffs is absolutely subjective.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 am

unbelievable

“Will all of that said, I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown. Its an amazing accomplishment.”

Co-Sign. I have nvr seen it in 22 years of watching, I thought Pujols would get it first but he played 2/3’s of his career in the roid era

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 am

Miguel’s doing everything… he hits lefties and righties equally, got better his 2nd half, good numbers on the road, and hit over .300 in every month but April. Minimum of 20 RBIs per month.

Trout has been average against lefties, hit worse in his 2nd half, and gotten worse each month from July.

Who’s in the playoffs?

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 am

He believes Trout deserves the MVP. He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

I’m in the camp of thinking “Triple Crown = MVP” is crazy. So I agree there.

I mean, what does Stark expect? The biggest reason why Miguel Cabrera is winning the MVP is because of those stats, right? SLG % too.

Of course people are going to lean towards dimnishing the award when they get into a heated debate about it. That’s human nature to try and diminish the support points that the other camp is using. Like folks attacking a support point in WAR.

For me, I see OPS+ and great defense from Trout. +/- from the position of CF and I can’t get past that. And knowing that Cabrera is a really bad defender at 3rd base. If he was better than he is, I think I’d have it so much closer than it is. So much closer.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

T-Hawkin-

Yeah, I mean I flew down for the final home series and I left scratching my head even more….

Granted we were in position to win all 3 games, but Friday proved that it took 1 bad pitch to beat us — because we couldn’t score runs….Saturday was a close call down to the last pitch —- because we couldn’t score runs….and Sunday was made on the back of David Ross….

In fact, the only impressive players all weekend were Ross, Prado, and Uggla…..

AND WE PLAYED THE METS!

The Cardinals are NOT the Mets….they have more talent 1-8 in the lineup and they will keep coming….

The Braves need to go into Friday and not “hope” but expect that they need to score 4 runs or more to win this game!

They won the games against St. Louis with totals of 9, 7, 7, 5, and 10 for an average of 7.6 runs per game in wins v the Cardinals…..BUT they also gave up 5.3 runs per game spanning all 6….so to expect to shut down the Cardinals would be stupid of them….

Gotta score runs and have crooked innings to beat the Cardinals….plain and simple!

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

Oh man I felt so much better about this game 10 days ago. Still no excuse for losing and blaming the playin game. At home, raucous crowd take a page from Medinah this past weekend…… uggh scratch that.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

I just don’t see much hope for Fridays game. MEDLEN is very good, but will we hit? When will FREDI pull him out of game? What other moves will FREDI make? Also MEDS streak has to end sometime, after all MEDS BRAVES are not as good as WHITEYS 1950s YANKEES.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

We live in Charlotte.

Our family motto is: “Buy gas any time you are in South Carolina.”

T-hawkin – I always wanted to see someone run into that flag pole. It’s deep out there, though, reducing the odds substantially.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

“I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown.”

He already has won it. Look at the numbers. Not possible to catch him unless Hamilton has a two homer game and Cabrera doesn’t hit one.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

Hey, the newly engaged PTown is on… congrats!

Give the MVP to Cabrera, the ROY to Trout, and leave it at that. Both get awards, everyone is happy.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

No reason to feel hopeless about Friday. It’s a one games, that’s it.

We have at least a 50% chance of winning.

That said, if the Cards score in the top of the 1st . . .

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

efrim If someone had 200 RBI or some high number in a season, I would probably think that’s pretty cool

i think 1 RBI is cool. i just like them, cant help it. i enjoy them on an individual basis. i dont wait till a guy gets 100, or whatever.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

He already has won it. Look at the numbers. Not possible to catch him

Trent McCotter ‏@trentmccotter
If Miggy sits, he loses batting title only if Trout goes 6-for-6 or Mauer goes 9-for-9. Hamilton’s game will likely be done before DET plays

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

“Our family motto is: “Buy gas any time you are in South Carolina.”

I echo this, living in the mountains of NC gas is pushing 3.85 a gallon, usually runs 40 cents cheaper in the Upstate of SC.

Hillbilly

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

This is exactly what irks me about the whole debate. It’s the scorned ex-wife factor.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

How about this. If Trout can somehow over take Cabrera for the Batting Average Title, we give the MVP to him. If not Cabrera gets it. It adds drama. MLB should make it a rule. ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

Angels could have used an MVP performance from Trout last month…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

UKUGA,
Yeah, I think NC passed a gas tax hike this year or something. I live about a half mile from the state line, and when you cross from VA to NC, gas goes up about 10cents. I don’t know how any of those stations on the NC side stay in business.

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

Stark is simply saying to a wider audience what some here have long said: self-appointed enlightened minds and barbarian dinosaurs are both full of bleep.

Shaun more than most, of course, but that’s for another discussion.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

i can only assume that many of chipper’s accolades this season have been lost on you to, this season.

No. I just don’t look at a third of the accolades that makes up the award, therefore it’s tough for me to love the thing.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

@P-Town

The Cardinals are NOT the Mets….they have more talent 1-8 in the lineup and they will keep coming….

Thats what scares me…They Came back twice in the WS last year from big deficits…The Braves would’ve mailed it in…The Cards offense is the Truth even w/o Phat Albert…They execute and do the little things to win games

Plus We Still remember Carlos Blowtran Killing us with houston

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

There is no mathmatical formula that will ever do away with subjectivity in baseball evaluation. There just isn’t – but I bet they’ll keep trying to invent one, anyway.

Now I realize exactly why some believe that RBI have no meaning in player evaluation and see there is some reason to this, but one thing has always made me scratch my head – if RBI are so meaningless, then why is hitting with RISP such a vaunted skill?

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

“i think 1 RBI is cool. i just like them, cant help it. i enjoy them on an individual basis.”

Yep. And in the playoffs 1 RBI is REALLY COOL. And 1 HR is REALLY REALLY COOL! :)

“Hamilton’s game will likely be done before DET plays”

But he is probably going to hit at least one homer today you can count on that. HUGE game for the Rangers today.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:48 am

“if RBI are so meaningless, then why is hitting with RISP such a vaunted skill?”

And why is the best hitter in the game leading the league in RBIs. ;) They are important and they will be more than ever on Friday.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

Murph-

Thanks! Yeah, made for a great few days….now back to work and reality….and when I got here, my office was moved….great thing to come back to :lol:

T-Hawkin-

Yep…thats exactly what I am getting at….if the Braves think that they can fall behind early when the Cards score so many 1st and 2nd inning runs, they are crazy….

They need to come ready to play in the FIRST inning on offense and not the FIFTH like they usually do….and they need to jump out and get the large crowd involved…the crowd will want to be loud….give them a reason to be!

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

This is exactly what irks me about the whole debate. It’s the scorned ex-wife factor.

Each case is different, but it’s human nature to hear a support point in an arguement and to try and bash it to death. This has been a heated debate between serious baseball fans – so I don’t think it’s a shocker that we got to that point.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

Centerfield defense is so important… therefore Bourn is our MVP and it will be because of his defense we win on Friday. RBIs are so useless…

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:51 am

usnavy and ncbravesfan,

my understanding is that NC’s gas taxes are 22 cents higher than SC. I don’t know how much more they are than Virginia’s.

However, I have noticed that the first exit on I85 in Virginia, has really expensive gas. It’s almost as if they are trying to catch the suckers who think gas will be cheaper in VA than NC, so they wait to cross the state line and end up getting hammered.

Thankfully, I do most of my work in SC, and it’s never out of the way to purchase gas down there.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:52 am

Bourn is our MVP? Total BS – Prado is and has been all year long.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:55 am

Lew-

Great points and yeah, I’m sorry, but to me, RBI are meaningful….

Especially for anyone who has watched the 2012 Braves and their ineptitude of getting guys home w/ RISP & < 2 outs

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:55 am

It’s Earl Weaver time for the Braves on Friday night. Somebody needs a tator with couple men on base. FG will play tight as mouse’s rear end playing small ball from first inning on. This playin game could very well be decided on what Manager outhinks the other. That’s a scary thought. Matheny has been up and down but I think he’s going to be a pretty good one. Let’s hope inexperience shows Friday.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Prado is above and away the MVP…

Been consistent all year long unlike the rest of the position players….

Also, anyone who wants to doubt the RBI stat….

Think of it this way and the Braves inability to score w/ RISP & less than 2 outs….

IF Freddie Freeman were hitting .290 instead of in the .260’s….he would probably have about 110 RBI about now….

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

I’ll take Kimbrel as our MVP. Prado has been extremely solid but Kimbrel has been unconcious in his capacity. Just brilliant.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Cant believe its the last day of the Season…Seems Like yesterday we had started off getting Swept in The Rotten Apple…That meant the Division :(

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Lew is the MVP

Most Valuable Painter

Go Braves!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:57 am

Bourn is our MVP? Total BS – Prado is and has been all year long.

Sarcasm… I know it’s Prado.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:58 am

Please contact the server administrator, itgadmin@ajc.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

I just read the stupid Server Error page that I’ve been getting so often over the last few days… I love how the AJC blames the user for the problem. “Inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error”…. yeah, I hit the refresh button.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:58 am

I mean, what does Stark expect?

He expects baseball fans to respect the triple crown. Enjoy the accomplishment and award Trout the MVP.

Ted Williams hit the Triple Crown twice. He did not win the MVP in those years. But people celebrated the event and the MVP award.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:58 am

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am
There is no mathmatical formula that will ever do away with subjectivity in baseball evaluation. There just isn’t – but I bet they’ll keep trying to invent one, anyway.

Now I realize exactly why some believe that RBI have no meaning in player evaluation and see there is some reason to this, but one thing has always made me scratch my head – if RBI are so meaningless, then why is hitting with RISP such a vaunted skill?

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As always Lew is the voice of reason. Of course RBIs are important, RUNS WIN BALLGAMES.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:59 am

Frankie

“I’ll take Kimbrel as our MVP. Prado has been extremely solid but Kimbrel has been unconcious in his capacity. Just brilliant.”

Co-Sign!

Durbin =’s Unsung Hero of the year after I dogged him on Being “Gas Can” he has shut me up since May 1st

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:59 am

Tough call between Prado and Heyward. Heyward had it a month ago, but Prado has brought it very close – and his ability to play multiple positions probably puts him ahead for me. Close.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

I’ll take Miggy and his many RBIs + better and more even batting than Trout and a few hot streaks with some defense.

DawgDad

October 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

MLB is once again doing its best immitation of the NHL, which is whatever it can do to alienate its best fans. WHEN is the game on Friday?

OK, admittedly I erred, buying tickets in expectation of the game being a night game, like ALL Friday games these days. I will note for the record, I’ve heard the Braves on-air announcers refer to the Wild Card game on “Friday night”. If they play this game in the day there will be at least two very ticked off Braves fans.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

Who said Bourn? I agree, that’s crazy.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

efrim, how about medlen record this year? his teams has won in 23 consecutive starts. the longest such streak in the history of baseball. thats cool, right? even though its “context dependent”?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
11:00 am

Braves will wear white jerseys on Friday, not the Friday reds. Because Cardinals’ uniforms are red and white.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

Jayson Stark Ripped Yunel Escobar on ESPN .com

“2012 AL LVP” OUCH!

He Also called the Whole Marlins team the 2012 NL LVP, OUCH

Its a good article though, but the Marlins deserved to be ripped ditto for Yunel

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

Only Braves – Well, judging from most of your commentary, one wonders about the sarcasm. You have some bizarre ideas at the best of times – Too much Man Love for some players and way too much hate for others – makes one question your objectivity understanding at times..

UKUGA – Thank you.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:58 am
Please contact the server administrator, itgadmin@ajc.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

I just read the stupid Server Error page that I’ve been getting so often over the last few days… I love how the AJC blames the user for the problem. “Inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error”…. yeah, I hit the refresh button.

***********************
Yup Murph I SURE WISH THEY WOULD FIX THIS.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

DOB,
Is that the Whites with or without the names on the back?

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
11:01 am

Heyward has had a solid year. MVP, c’mon man. Heyward was brutal in May and disappointing in September. Not that close really.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:02 am

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 am

MFin04 – Nothing is lost in a WAR conversation. It takes hitting, defense, and baserunning into play to evaluate total performance. MVP awards should go to the best all-around player, correct? Some people want to look at just offensive production to evaluate players. Trout shouldnt be penalized for the RBI conversation just because he’s a leadoff hitter. Both of these guys are great players, but Trout is far superior when it comes to defense, baserunning, and according to OPS+ they are basically the same hitter.
*************
LOL

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
11:02 am

Chipper said he needs the two days of rest more than a few ABs. Might pinch-hit today. “I’m not healthy,” he said. “Knees, back….”

When fans were yelling for Fredi to play him near end of Tuesday night’s game, Fredi looked over to Chipper and he told the manager, no. Not going in.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:02 am

Regular home whites…good. I like the standard look for the playoffs.

TBrown

October 3rd, 2012
11:03 am

I don’t have the time to sit around and debate this all day, but Mike Trout is the MVP of the American League. You can romanticize about the Triple Crown all you want and, historically, it’s a great accomplishment. But Mike Trout is the most valuable player. I echo Efrim’s sentiments.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:03 am

He expects baseball fans to respect the triple crown. Enjoy the accomplishment and award Trout the MVP.

This is incredibly difficult for some to do when the person or persons that they are arguing with are pointing to that as the factor on who to provide the MVP award with. It’s tough for some to respect it when a third of the award is what some don’t believe is a useful stat. I get what you’re saying overall, but I am in no way surprised that this all got here.

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:04 am

Prefer the white to the red jerseys, anyway. And the regular home caps to the Friday tomahawk-dominated cap.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
11:05 am

“I’ll take Kimbrel as our MVP. Prado has been extremely solid but Kimbrel has been unconcious in his capacity.”

Ok, I’ll take the bait. I just don’t see closers as that valuable. What he has done could earn him the Cy Young as best pitcher in the NL because he has put up absurd numbers, and I agree with that, but I don’t believe that makes him the most valuable Brave. I don’t believe he has led this team to THAT many wins.

And as for playoff value of pitchers. Which is more valuable: 6-9 innings of a starter in a playoff game OR 1 inning of a closer. That doesn’t even seem like a fair or reasonable comparison at all.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
11:06 am

I am convinced DOB knows more than he’s letting on about this game on Friday.

I mean, he knows the uniform colors and everything.

I think the secret may be hidden in Chip Caray’s eyebrows. Tune in at noon today and see if you can decipher the code.

And yes, this does alienate fans. I can make it, no problem, but most people I talk to want and need to know the time before making a commitment.

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:06 am

Chipper said he needs the two days of rest more than a few ABs. Might pinch-hit today. “I’m not healthy,” he said. “Knees, back….”

When fans were yelling for Fredi to play him near end of Tuesday night’s game, Fredi looked over to Chipper and he told the manager, no. Not going in.

It didn’t look like Chipper was running very well on Monday night.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
11:08 am

Pretty sure we wore those ugly red jerseys when we lost game 1 to Houston in 2005. The game before Mac took Clemens deep.

What a difference 7 years make. Now, we’re debating whether or not Mac should even play in this one.

Whither Todd Pratt?

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:08 am

Frankie

“Heyward has had a solid year. MVP, c’mon man. Heyward was brutal in May and disappointing in September. Not that close really.”

NoDiddidity! No Doub’t…Martini has played Excellent D at 5 positions…Martini is the team MVP in a Landslide

Heyward is Team Comeback POY in a Landslide

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:08 am

Kyle Lohse is 0-3 with a 7.13 ERA in four career postseason starts.

DawgDad

October 3rd, 2012
11:09 am

I would say the Braves MVP is Prado, based on overall contribution. Kimbrel and Jones get honorable mention.

The players with the biggest impact were Simmons and Medlen. Keep in mind Simmons’ defense may well have prompted Wren to acquire Janish as a replacement. Sheets made an impact – but then turned it back. Medlen saved the season, plain and simple.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:09 am

Whither Todd Pratt?

Or Dorky Miller, Gawd he was Beerball/Softball league Material

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
11:09 am

MVP is which player contributed the most to helping his team win and increasing their chances to win.

To determine this, one must break a player’s contributions down to outs and bases, because this is what baseball is all about.

Trout did more than anyone in terms of avoiding outs at the plate, gaining bases, making outs on defense and keeping opponents from gaining bases, when you take all of that in total.

The problems with only focusing on the Triple Crown when determining MVP is that a) it only looks at one portion of one side of the ball (it’s all about what a player does at the plate and it doesn’t account for baserunning or defense); b) it doesn’t take in to account every aspect of what a player does at the plate (walks are ignored); and c) it assumes RBI are some sort of aspect of offensive value instead of what they are, which is an opportunity-based statistic.

That’s about as simple as I can make the argument for Trout as MVP. It doesn’t mean Cabrera had less than a great season or that he should be left off of MVP ballots entirely or that everyone who thinks Trout is the MVP hates Cabrera. It doesn’t mean it’s all about WAR.

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:10 am

Kyle Lohse is 0-3 with a 7.13 ERA in four career postseason starts.

He’s due. Perish the thought!

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
11:10 am

Why can’t there be two nightgames Friday? AL folks can watch there game, we can watch our game, One game on TBS, One game on TNT. I am sorry MLB is not very smart, they do very little for the fans.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:11 am

Tim Hudson is the only pitcher in the Braves’ playoff rotation who has ever appeared in the postseason.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:12 am

It’s Cabrera and it isn’t close….WAR, regular stats, whatever…..

I thought stolen bases didn’t bring that much to the table, per Nolie? And I’ve come around to that way of thinking.

Trout has robbed some folks of some homers, but his team is staying home. He’s a leadoff guy. So what. Too bad.

And heck, I like the Trout kid and don’t like Cabrera, but a triple crown winner going to the playoffs over a rookie who can run, hit and field and who’s staying home in October? I’m not seeing denying this thing to Cabrera.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:12 am

TOBF-

Cmon now, you should know protocol by now…

If you’re gonna use sarcasm at least use a :eek: or a :cool: or even a :twisted:

Heck, even the :idea: works for some :lol:

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:13 am

Tough call between Prado and Heyward. Heyward had it a month ago

Disagree, but…

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:14 am

Tim Hudson has never been on a team that won a postseason series. His teams (A’s and Braves) are 2-8 in games he’s appeared in, though he has a 3.46 ERA in those games.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:14 am

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves Gonzalez said if get to div. series, Huddy starts gm 1, then Minor or Maholm, then Medlen in gm. 3 (presumably Minor or Maholm in 4)

Why is there a decision between Minor or Maholm…. Minor is the obvious choice. He’s our 2nd best starter since July1, and he pitches better at home. (only 5 away starts since July 1, though he does have a good ERA)

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:15 am

So….who thinks the Braves are gonna end up w/ a late afternoon game Friday and I’m going to be incredibly unproductive at work….

Raise of hands? (and yes, I am holding mine up)

DawgDad

October 3rd, 2012
11:15 am

“Kyle Lohse is 0-3 with a 7.13 ERA in four career postseason starts.”

I have to believe LaRussa would run out a lefty, ANY lefty. I’ll believe this when I see him take the mound Friday.

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
11:15 am

Only when I rekindle thoughts of the cooling process…..[freshly baked apple pie]….am I able to retain the patience required to begin to comprehend our current offense–or lack thereof.

Fortunately, my taste for baked apples with sugar and cinnamon and topped with golden brown crust has not waned. Although my patience dealing with the ‘process’ is often challenged. The lessons I got as a mere lad of eight still hold true. Everyone want their piece of the pie!

Perhaps this Friday our hitters will revive their bats to the level of Mom’s hot apple pie. Is Delicious an apt term to apply in describing the 2012 Braves effort? At certain times our seasoned approach at the plate has produced sweet results–enough for 93 wins–and, well, about as fast as a cool pie is eaten….things get cold fast….like as if the production sympatico will never again be.

Or will it? Yes we need a stronger means of ‘willing it.’ This Friday could be our last chance!

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:16 am

One does not have to break down jack squat…..

Cabrera easily had the better season. MVP has historically been an offensive award. Pitchers almost never win it, and defenders with little offense to add never win it.

It’s not a difficult concept. Not saying I even like it being this way, but it is what it is….

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:16 am

Tim Hudson has never been on a team that won a postseason series. His teams (A’s and Braves) are 2-8 in games he’s appeared in, though he has a 3.46 ERA in those games.

He’s due. Encourage the thought.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:17 am

No no NO!

Heyward may have had a solid overall year, but when you consider month by month and week by week, Prado has not only been the model of consistency, BUT he has done it while being asked to play LF and then move to 3B when Chipper needs a day off or move to 2B when Uggla was struggling and then was asked to fill in at SS when both our SS went down and then when they wanted more offense than Janish could provide….

Prado has done it all, done it all well, and even didn’t look out of place at SS….

Prado has been THE guy

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

We might just want to win on Friday before we start worrying about Sunday….

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

@P-Town Brave

Co-Sign on that 11:17 post

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
11:19 am

“Fredi looked over to Chipper and he told the manager, no. Not going in.”

Good for Chipper. Glad to see him resting when he needs to rest. Hopefully he comes out swinging Friday.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:20 am

With the way the Braves have hit of late, the bottom line is this: the Braves’ postseason fate is, for now, in the hands of Kris Medlen. We gotta go to that well one more time. That little man has a lot of guts; I hope he welcomes the burden.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:20 am

to clarify my above post, I’m saying that I disagree that Heyward had the award a month ago… not really close in my mind

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:20 am

P-Town Brave ©

“So….who thinks the Braves are gonna end up w/ a late afternoon game Friday and I’m going to be incredibly unproductive at work….

Raise of hands? (and yes, I am holding mine up)”

I will work a 1/2 day to go and tailgate, then hang out at the Chophouse

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
11:21 am

MARTIN BRAVES MV postion player 2012. MEDLEN MV BRAVES Pitcher.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
11:21 am

Hudson has 3 post-season starts with the Braves

G1 of the 2005 LDS – not good
G4 of the 2005 LDS – solid – Braves lost in 18 innings
G2 of the 2010 LDS – great performance

Braves lost both his starts in 2005 and won the 2010 game (Rick Ankiel’s homer).

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:22 am

FG will play tight as mouse’s rear end playing small ball from first inning on.

Certainly a valid fear, and the best way to lose the game. Two-run jack from Heyward in the first might be the only way to save Fredo from himself.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
11:22 am

“MVP is which player contributed the most to helping his team win and increasing their chances to win.”

Yep. Trout faltered down the stretch. Cabrera didn’t. Thus Trout loses MVP. One guy led his team to the playoffs, one didn’t.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:22 am

Heyward? LOL

Definitely Prado. The guy has played darn near every position and has gone to the post nearly every day.

It’s not even close.

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
11:23 am

I like the way Joe Simpson put it the other night concerning the AL MVP. Would Detroit have made the playoffs without Cabrera’s #s this season? NO. Did Trout’s #s help the Angels make the playoffs this season? NO. Enough said. Trout…you had an amazing season…but Cabrera is the MVP.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:23 am

I told everyone to Bank on 92 wins and I ended up -1 on the differential, Not Too Shabby

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:23 am

T-Hawkin-

Yeah, as I watched the final out Sunday and saw the banners and then went to the airport, I was trying my hardest to convince myself I could afford to stay in a hotel for another week and absorb the cost…

Between me and the fiance, our house, jobs, and etc won out (sadly)

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
11:23 am

Without Prado and the flexibility he provided while still producing day in and day out, this team is not where it is at the end of the season. I know he only had 10 HR and a handful of RBI, but Prado is the heart and soul of this squad, doing whatever is asked of him to help the team win.

That, to me, is an MVP.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

If we have to rely on our manager to win this game, we shouldn’t even be playing in the stupid game. Players win games. Managers manage games. If our pitching/hitting/defense shows up, we win the game. If they don’t it certainly isn’t on our manager.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
11:24 am

“MVP is which player contributed the most to helping his team win and increasing their chances to win.”

Yep.

Angels called up Trout when they were 6-14. Angels are 89-72, Detroit is 87-74.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:25 am

Cant Believe That Big Ben Sheets Is Retiring!

Seems like Yesterday I was investing in his Bowman Rookie Cards

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:25 am

Prado is the heart and soul of this squad, doing whatever is asked of him to help the team win.

Maybe you should give him The David Eckstein Trophy, instead. :-)

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

Please dont use a Joe Simpson quote as a base for a discussion.

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

We might just want to win on Friday before we start worrying about Sunday….

Yes. The cart doesn’t go before the horse… or mule, ox, or water buffalo.

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

Chipper knows when to fold ‘em…..Fredi knows ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..//////////////////////////////

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

Outta here for a bit. WOW I have been so nice today. Have a good one all.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

If Heyward does a thing offensively on Friday other than foul pitches off to the left or ground out to second, I’ll be pleasantly surprised…

His ringing single the other night was all we’ve seen in days offensively, so maybe I’ll be wrong.

haggard

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

Our old friend Francouer seems to have bottomed out this season, and for no particular reason. When I saw his .237/16/47 line with a .289 OBP and .381 slugging average, I thought surely he must have missed significant time due to injury.. However, that’s not the case as he’s played 147 games with 557 at bats. A salary at $6,700,000, still just 28 years old. I’ve never rooted against him, but have shaken my head many a time when attempting to understand the arc of his career. The Natural of The Baby Braves.

TBrown

October 3rd, 2012
11:27 am

Cabrera is going to the playoffs and Trout is staying home? The Angels have a better record and play in a tougher divison. Next argument.

Hillbilly

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 am

That little man has a lot of guts; I hope he welcomes the burden.

I said this a few weeks back: How funny is it to see how loose and relaxed Medlen is now, compared to how nervous and jittery he was in his first Major League start vs. Colorado a few years back? Hard to imagine that’s the same guy.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 am

We win Friday by AVOIDING our bench….

Period.

That means we score 4 or 5 runs and Medlen limits em to 1 or 2.

Otherwise, aside from possibly Ross, we’re in trouble.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:29 am

MVP is which player contributed the most to helping his team win and increasing their chances to win.”

Yep. Trout faltered down the stretch. Cabrera didn’t. Thus Trout loses MVP. One guy led his team to the playoffs, one didn’t.

Would Detroit have made the playoffs without Cabrera’s #s this season? NO. Did Trout’s #s help the Angels make the playoffs this season? NO. Enough said.

Great points all. Agree totally.

Angels called up Trout when they were 6-14. Angels are 89-72, Detroit is 87-74.

Who cares about the record…. the Angels aren’t playing in the post-season. They have no chance for a World Series. They even got Zack Greinke and Frieri, and Trout couldn’t help his team make up 3-4 games for the last month.

Jeff R

October 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

Francoeur was lie a roman candle: he went up high, burned brightly for an instant, and then fizzled.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

It’s definitely close between Prado and Heyward. I wouldn’ have a problem with anyone backing either of them.

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

If Heyward does a thing offensively on Friday other than foul pitches off to the left or ground out to second, I’ll be pleasantly surprised…

phil, you’ll be “pleasantly surprised” at any outcome short of the charter going down in flames.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 am

For me, its Prado, Medlen, Kimbrel….

And the only guys close in any of the 3 categories are Minor (for his 2nd half) and O’Flaherty as he only had 1 bad week at beginning of the year…

That said, the playoffs are all about erasing what you did during the regular season and stepping up…..so maybe someone can step up alongside Prado and get hot and help carry the offense to some more runs….A thought for me would be a greater emphasis on putting the ball in play….as you never know what will happen when you make contact….

FWIW, Chipper is 6 for 13, Prado 6 for 14, and Uggla 5 for 15 against Lohse….

Also, we have 6 possible bench players who are 19-51 against Lohse for a .373 average…

That list includes Constanza who is 2 for 2, Ross 1 for 2, Reed Johnson 4 for 10, Overbay 5 for 13, Hinske 6 for 19, and Baker 1 for 5

ONLY Bourn and McCann struggle against Lohse

phil

October 3rd, 2012
11:32 am

Francoeur just always looked a little slow on the uptake to me. The guy would, and must still, swing wildly at anything the pitcher threw up there. No adjustments, no approach to an at bat based on the situation, you name it.

He was obviously dense as a brick for us to just dump him in mid-season like we did for nothing in return. We gave the guy away, and now it’s clear why.

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 am

Unbeievable…a Joe Simpson quote is better than a quote from you any day.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
11:33 am

Id sit Bmac on friday and start Ross.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:34 am

James Shields since the All-Star break: 15 starts, 109 IP, 73 hits, 34 ER, 24 BB’s, 114 K’s, 2.81 ERA.

Even with his contractual status, their deoth in starting pitching and need for middle of the order bats, I don’t see how it could make sense for the Rays to trade him this winter. Price, Shields, Moore, Hellickson is amazing. They need to figure out another way to bring in some bats to Longoria, Zobrist, Jennings, and Joyce.

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
11:34 am

MFin04 @9:05 – Today is a “must win game” …HUH ???

Unless, of course, by that you mean a “don’t let anyone get hurt in this almost totally MEANINGLESS game”.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:36 am

haggard

“Our old friend Francouer seems to have bottomed out this season, and for no particular reason. When I saw his .237/16/47 line with a .289 OBP and .381 slugging average”

Jayson Stark called him #2 In the AL LVP race, OUCH

I thought he was gonna have a good year playing little pressure baseball in KC… :(

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
11:36 am

Mike are you 12? Cant have a conversation without trying to make it personal huh?

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
11:37 am

Mike Berry

“Unbeievable…a Joe Simpson quote is better than a quote from you any day.”

ouch…I like Ol Simp…He tries not to sugarcoat things….

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

You made it personal Un…not me. And I’m probably twice your age.

haggard

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

Bourn (7 for 46) and McCann (5-20, 1 HR) have struggle some against Lohse, but everyone else has mashed him pretty good. Chipper 6-13 with 1 HR, 6 BB and 1 K, Uggla 5-15 with a HR, Prado 6-14, Heyward 2-7 with two doubles and 2 walks, Freeman 2-3 with a HR.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP
Davey says he’d consider John Lannan for the rotation if they face Atlanta. He’s fared better against the Braves than any other team.
Davey on the wild card play-in: “I hate it.”

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
11:39 am

Let’s see…Joe Simpson’s knowledge of the Braves, and baseball in general… vs …that of Unbelievable. Guess which one I will pick every time?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
11:41 am

Braves are 25-9 with 2.04 ERA in past 34 home games. Hit only .229 in those games, but allowed 2 runs or fewer in 21 of the 34.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:42 am

Never thought I would say this but I would consider starting Ross as well on Friday….

Medlen has been a whole run better w/ Ross behind the plate this year and about 1 3/4 runs over his career better w/ Rossy behind the dish

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
11:42 am

“Prado is the heart and soul of this squad, doing whatever is asked of him to help the team win.

Maybe you should give him The David Eckstein Trophy, instead. ”

That’s pretty funny.

All of you Frenchy haters out there, no doubt he is not the player many thought he would be. Still, the guy’s future whatever it may be is pretty damn solid. He’s popular with his teammates and I can see the guy being on a network doing telecasts very easily. Francourer probably has more success and accomplishments at Parkview High School than majority on this blog. Kid’s future is pretty bright regardless what he does.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

Id sit Bmac on friday and start Ross.

I might possibly agree. It’s not happening though, so no need to worry about it.

So, with James Shields possibly being off the market, we may have to turn to option #2…

Patrick

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

I’m with Joe.
If you win the Triple Crown, that is an unbelievable achievement! Something that’s hardly EVER been done in MLB History. That alone should win him the MVP award. The cherry on top is that his team is going to the playoffs, especially when it looked like they might not a few weeks ago.

Trout is an excellent player. He should win the ROY year award unamimously! But he’s not the MVP. And if he is, it is a very sad day for baseball and it says that sabermetrics have taken over the game.

But, to me, if you make history, the should be rewarded.
Same thing with Kimbrel. He’s the CY Young award winner in my opinion. He has done things that NO CLOSER HAVE EVER ACCOMPLISHED. He’s set MLB records, broke MLB records. Even if I weren’t a Braves fan…if you showed me all of the astonishing stats that Kimbrel has racked up this year, I would vote for him.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 am

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP
Davey says he’d consider John Lannan for the rotation if they face Atlanta. He’s fared better against the Braves than any other team.

That’d be something to pass on Edwin Jackson and go Detwiler and Lannan in Games 3 and 4.

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
11:45 am

I forsee a lot of gnashing of teeth on the old blog when Cabrera is awarded the AL MVP over Trout.

CB

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

Man, I am pumped up for Friday’s game but the last place in the world I will be is on this blog that day. Karma here will suck you into a blathering idiot.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

If I were Davey, I would not pitch Edwin Jackson.

haggard

October 3rd, 2012
11:47 am

Tomahawkin (LCS or
BUST)

So did I. And though I don’t expect the Royals to do anything so drastic as to trade him,(and how much value would he have anyway?), I’m wondering how much longer he’ll have a regular job?

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:48 am

That’d be something to pass on Edwin Jackson and go Detwiler and Lannan in Games 3 and 4.

He won’t. That’s just Davey being Davey, for the media.

Besides, Braves sweep in 3. :-) It’ll be like the Hindenburg going down. Rending of garments, sackcloth and ashes, and the like, in DC. It’ll be fun, LOL.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

I can’t believe it’s been 5 years since Miguel Cabrera was traded to the Tigers. He has been in the league for 10 years and is only 29 years old this season… just dominating. But sucks for him, he didn’t post a .800+ OPS every year like Chipper did. ( :

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

TOBF – Option #2 being…Huddy (with ankle clean-up), Medlen, Minor, and best 2 of Maholm, Teheran, Delgado, GilMartin, Graham, and whoever competes in ST….and spending money on LF and CF…boulster bench and BP. Yeah, that’ll work.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 am

Besides, Braves sweep in 3

Dude, you’re totally jinxing it. Would have thought you’d picked up on that after 7+months…

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Braves likely to go with Sheets for 2 inn., then Delgado and Teheran (either order) for 1 apiece, followed by 3-4 relievers who need work

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Dude, you’re totally jinxing it.

Oh, ye of little faith. Don’t be a wuss. :-)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Like I said, I won’t be able to do anything but listen to the game on Friday if it’s the early time, as I will be driving down to Philly – guessing it will be at around 5:00pmEST.

My wife is hoping for it to be the late game for obvious reasons. ;)

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:52 am

Late lineup today. First pitch is in 45 minutes.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Would be nice to actually WAIT to WIN Friday before anyone starts speculating on the NLDS….

We do HAVE TO WIN Friday remember…..

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Brian-

Lineup has been out for hours….

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Sorry, I missed it, P-Town.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

It’s really hard for me to analyze that NLDS….ya know, when we are hoping the coin comes up Braves.

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

We do HAVE TO WIN Friday remember…..

Ken Caminiti knows you.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Normal lineup except Chipper not playing….

Would imagine most guys won’t play the entire game.

Win One For The Chipper

October 3rd, 2012
11:55 am

“Late lineup today. First pitch is in 45 minutes.”

Barring Uggla still hurting, I’m guessing it wil be:

CF Bourn
LF Prado
RF Heyward
3B Jones
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
P Sheets

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

Sweet, I was hoping Teheran would get to pitch an inning or two today.

Go Cards

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

GO CARDINALES! ! ! Viva la Beisbol!

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

Scoots-

I don’t talk to many dead men….. :evil:

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

I’ll be honest though, I’m really glad we didn’t go with Hudson. I just remember Beltran and Holliday reaching base near every time they squared off and that worried me.

Let’s go Meds.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:57 am

I found it now. I was away when it was posted and didn’t scroll down far enough.

come on

October 3rd, 2012
11:59 am

hope to god medlen only gives up one run on friday because we can’t score runs. crossing my fingers for a 3 run home run otherwise we lose like 1 to 0 or 2 to 1

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Once again, Chipper is NOT playing….

He may PH but he is not in the lineup

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Medlen has been a whole run better w/ Ross behind the plate this year and about 1 3/4 runs over his career better w/ Rossy behind the dish

This year is pretty interesting too. Medlen has made 12 starts this year. BMac has caught 7 of them, Ross 5.

BMac: 7 starts, 49.1IP, 7 ER, 42K, 5 BB 1.28 ERA

Ross: 5 starts, 34.1IP, 2 ER, 42K, 5 BB 0.53 ERA

No offense to BMac at all, but I’m putting Ross behind the plate for the play-in.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Option #2 being…Huddy (with ankle clean-up), Medlen, Minor, and best 2 of Maholm, Teheran, Delgado, GilMartin, Graham, and whoever competes in ST….

Where’s the top SP???

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Did we get a lineup yet?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

First day of leave, and it’s Bratwurst for lunch.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

“No offense to BMac at all, but I’m putting Ross behind the plate for the play-in.”

Overall Ross is a better player at this point, but I don’t think the Braves would EVER do it unless McCann got hurt today.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Weaver D’s hit’s hard times.

Lived in Athens 2 years and never went. My fault, I guess.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm

I believe the official lineup is:

Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Francisco
Simmons

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves lineup: Bourn cf, Prado lf, Heyward rf, Freeman 1b, Uggla 2b, McCann c, Francisco 3b, Simmons ss, Sheets p

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

OTBF – Oh, you must mean Medlen. :)

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Yeah, better put Ross in there cause that 1.28 ERA with Mac catching really sucks.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

I don’t think ERA is influenced very much by the catcher. I wouldn’t concern myself with that, especially since it’s 1.28 to 0.53. If it was 5.00 with Mac and 1.00 with Ross, I may see a point.

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

The Starters in the lineup are only gonna get 2 atbats Per 680TheFan, Braves-Pregame Show

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

Tomahawkn,
the way our guys have been hitting, 2 AB will be 2/3 of the game. LOL.

DawgDad

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

The Braves pre-game announcers just referred to the game “Friday night” multiple times. What do they know we don’t???

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

1.28 ERA vs 0.53 ERA

Well giving up 1-run in a game vs giving up 0-runs in game is a pretty big deal in a play-in game for a struggling offense. ;)

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Thanks folks!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Same # of Ks from Medlen w/ Ross in 15 fewer innings… that’s something that I really like. It helps to miss bats in the playoffs. 5 fewer earned runs is something for 15 innings, but it’s not all that great.

I’m not saying that BMac would be horrible back there, but Ross has had some good success with him. Neither catcher is really hitting, and Ross is a better defender… it can’t hurt.

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Well giving up 1-run in a game vs giving up 0-runs in game is a pretty big deal in a play-in game for a struggling offense.

It has been for this club.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I can hear it now…Fire FG if we lose Friday, b/c McCann was catching instead of Ross, and we lost 1-0.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I can’t say I’ve ever seen one man be asked the same question over and over and over like DOB has about what time the game starts on Friday. I feel bad for him, but it’s sort of comical too.

Someone please tweet him this question:

Does Scott Thorman have any options left?

:)

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

“I don’t think ERA is influenced very much by the catcher.”

It doesn’t have to be, one run makes all the difference in the world. When you have a better defensive catcher that might be 1-run that he saves. Now if McCann was a threat to offset that with his bat, then maybe you take the chance defensively with McCann, but unless I see some pop today from McCann, I’d go with Ross.

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:15 pm

What time is the games scheduled Friday?

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

MFin04, so if McCann goes 1-2 with a homer today, you start him? What if he hits a double? What if he hits a fly ball to the warning track, but strikes out his other trip to the plate? What if he goes 2-2, both being bloop hits? What he gets hit by a pitch and walks?

You realize how silly it is to base your starter in a playoff game based on 2 at-bats?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

Also, Braves went 11-4 with Ross in September/Oct.;10-7 with Mac. May not mean much, but…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Arrgh…stupid grills and their “hot spots”

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

I like the way Joe Simpson put it the other night concerning the AL MVP. Would Detroit have made the playoffs without Cabrera’s #s this season? NO. Did Trout’s #s help the Angels make the playoffs this season? NO. Enough said. Trout…you had an amazing season…but Cabrera is the MVP.

Detroit wouldn’t have made the playoffs without Verlander and lots of other players, as well. Baseball is a team game. MVP is an individual award. The award should go to the individual player that did the most to help and increase his team’s chances of winning. It’s not that one player’s fault if his teammates weren’t good enough.

Yep. Trout faltered down the stretch. Cabrera didn’t. Thus Trout loses MVP. One guy led his team to the playoffs, one didn’t.

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Again, MVP is an individual award. If a guy did everything in his power to help and increase his team’s chances more so than any other player but his teammates weren’t good enough, he’s still the most valuable player. So it’s irrelevant whether Trout’s team or Cabrera’s team made the playoffs.

Trout will finish ahead of Cabrera in avoiding outs and gaining bases. Trout was the better baserunner. Trout is the better defensive player.

If we are just bringing up Triple Crown stats and whether a player’s team made the playoffs, we aren’t really discussing value but something completely different. Value is how many wins a player was worth. To get at that you need to break contributions down to outs and bases, because that’s the name of the game. Trout comes out ahead when you break it down that way.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Yeah guys….don’t discount the run differential between the two catchers and state its not a big deal….especially w/ our offense (or lack of)

1 small thing can make all the difference in the playoffs as we all know….

PLUS if BMac were hitting, this wouldnt even become consideration, but since he isn’t and hasn’t for 90% of the year, I’d go w/ Ross….it not only puts the better signal caller behind the dish, but it also helps keep runners even closer and the combo of Medlen/Ross almost completely negates the running game…

Plus, for those who don’t think there’s some preference for each guy and who is out there….just ask Greg Maddux ;-)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Start McCann, period. There, it’s settled.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Bourn, Heyward and Prado are all pretty close in Braves’ MVP. I’d lean Bourn.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

The difference between a 1.28 and .53 over the course of the seven innings Medlen is likely to pitch in this ONE game is statistically insignificant. Now if you want to play Ross because he’s hotter offensively right now, that might actually make a difference. Maybe. He’s hurting, too.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:21 pm

Shaun…rather than be totally dismissive and ask you if you’re joking when you say Bourn, I’ll just ask why.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Why would asking Greg Maddux tell us anything ? Just ask Medlen.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Has Medlen earned the right yet to weigh in on the starting catcher decision? If he’s more comfortable with one over the other I’d hope his opinion would at least carry a little bit of weight (no pun intended).

I get the feeling that Medlen wouldn’t care all that much… he seems like the type who wouldn’t get hung up on stuff like that. But still, if I’m Fredi, knowing that neither catcher is likely to do much at the dish, I might ask my SP who he’s prefer.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Glad Its a Day Game on Getaway Day!

Good To Hear Boog Powell and Don Sutton, One Last Time

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486.876

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Miguel Cabrera… .339/.402/.688/1.089

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

I’ll just ask why

I’m gonna guess WAR has something to do with it

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Efrim-

Hmm….lets see….I know that the Aussie Blackley pitched last night…..I also know they have the Phenom Jarrod Parker….and today, A.J. Griffin pitches today…..Brett Anderson I believe is also in their rotation pretty fresh off TJ….and another youngster Tommy Milone….

I think thats it right?

I though have been following the A’s more closely because they’re a real interesting team to watch….much like the Braves in that they’ve been doing it with their starting pitching and pen, but they do have a couple mashers in Reddick and Cespedes that I would LOVE to have…

Also, theyre quite young as a whole so it’d be nice to see them go through another Beane type 3-4 year run….

Hillbilly

October 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

This morning I was looking at the matchup to see who’s pitching for Texas in that game. When I saw Oakland’s starter I thought “Who?”

I like to consider myself more than just an average fan so this kind of bothered me. It’s an amazing story…grounds for a sequel if Brad Pitt is up to it. :)

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Braves have some standing-room only tix ($18) available for Friday’s Wild Card game. Go to braves.com/postseason

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

usnavyvolfaninva, Bourn’s combined offensive and defensive contributions seem to do a little more than any other Braves player to help and increase the Braves’ chances to win.

Most of his value was in the outs he was worth on defense but he also wasn’t shabby at all at the plate and of course on the basepaths.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

P-Town,
YOur 12:24 is invalid, as it is clearly 6 minutes after Efrim posted the question, which is way more than enough time to look it up online. JK. :-)

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

The difference between a 1.28 and .53

That’s almost a full run, just go back and look at how many games we didn’t score more than 1 run and how many games we lost by 1 run. Trust me, there’s a difference.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

Well… there’s the guy that got hit in the head. And Haren. No, wait, he was on the A’s back in the 90’s. And… there’s that other guy. Has Cespedes started any games on the mound? No? Hmmmmmm….

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Should I feel bad that I could give a darn about who wins the AL MVP award? In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter much to me.

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

DRoss last 8 games: .261/.261/.522/.783

BMac last 8 games:.179/.258/.214/.472

:?

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Not saying Ross made the difference or if it just happened to be the quality of teams we played when McCann was behind the plate but a difference of 1 run can make a huge difference in the outcome of most games.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Brats only slightly burned…not too shabby for my first time.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

WAR! huh yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486.876

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Miguel Cabrera… .339/.402/.688/1.089

Trout’s overall season was better, plus Trout did not actually falter down the stretch.

I’m gonna guess WAR has something to do with it

Any sort of measure of a player’s overall contributions to helping and increasing his team’s chances to win have something to do with it. If you have your own way to determine this, by all means use it. Any serious attempt to determine overall contributions to helping and contributing to the likelihood the team will win will likely lead you to the same place: Trout as the AL MVP and with Bourn, Heyward and Prado all solid candidates for Braves’ MVP.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

T-Hawkin-

Agreed…plus, I had a hard time stomaching the game last night….w/ that ST-esque lineup so I guess its good I am at work today….

The downside…had to borrow a pair of headphones so no noise cancelling on these (awful) and theyre very uncomfortable….

BUT that said, its better than having none….

Left my headphones in my travel carry-on along w/ my iphone charger from vaca…..lets hope the phone can make it to 5p CT and these headphones don’t rip my ears off before then as well…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

DS1,
I am disappointed in your lack of interest in the race for MVP in the opposite league. ;-)

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

navy

Hey, it’s all good. Brats are cheap, so you can keep at it till you get it right. Now don’t screw up those ribeye’s!

:wink:

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

Chipper takes out the ATL lineup card and gets standing O as he walks back to dugout, tips his cap to the crowd (whole lot of Braves fans here).

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

It’s an amazing story…grounds for a sequel if Brad Pitt is up to it.

Just the start for them too. Great farm system. Perhaps no star, but like San Diego – tons of depth. Adding Brett Anderson to Parker, Griffin. Straily and Milone will be big for them in 2013.

Gotta give the A’s front office credit – they had the best offseason of maybe any team and this was while trading away Bailey, Cahill and Gonzalez.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:35 pm

navy

You probably mentioned it a few times, but where are you stationed there in VA? My middle son is at Langley working on secret stuff for the CIA, but is finishing up his 6 years in December.

BTW, thanks for your service!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:35 pm

“You realize how silly it is to base your starter in a playoff game based on 2 at-bats?”

Not really. You could base your starter for the game on a whole myriad of stats, all which would favor Ross as of late, but we’re going to start McCann because he was the heir-apparent to Chipper once he left. )Then we got Freeman and Heyward, maybe Kimbrel)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm

Braves didn’t have a single prospect in the South Atlantic League Top 20. Sorta thought Alex Wood would be in there, but the league was absolutely stacked this year.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm

TOBF-

Watched BMac take bp on the field Sat….

While I have played ball for a VERY long time, I’m not the most observant person….and also don’t claim to be a hitting coach….

That said, even I could tell by watching him take BP that he has no life on his swing and most of the power has been zapped….he will try to take the ball to all fields but halway through flight in the OF it would just die….

Then again, I was most impressed w/ Francisco and Baker in hitting bombs….so that just tells me that if ever we face a MLB pitcher throwing BP fastballs at 80-82 mph, they will be good to go ;-)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:44 pm

Thanks, DS1
Currently on USS Abe Lincoln…actually, right now I’m on leave because the “boss” is out of town visiting her family.
Brats are ok. Next is going to be the 3 or 4 half-racks of ribs in the freezer. Got ‘em on sale at Food Lion…figure I can screw one up without the “boss” finding out. ;-)

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
Marteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

If Heyward does a thing offensively on Friday other than foul pitches off to the left or ground out to second, I’ll be pleasantly surprised…

phil, you’ll be “pleasantly surprised” at any outcome short of the charter going down in flames.
***********
hater…

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

I would start McCann because I believe he is a better player than Ross, and gives the Braves more of a chance to win.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Georgia receiver Bennett injured, out for season

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Beautiful run without a bunt! :) Nice to see Bourn win the SB title. ;)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

T-Hawkin-

Agreed…plus, I had a hard time stomaching the game last night….

I Turned It off in the 3rd Inning and started watching ESPN 30-on-30 “BROKE”…Big Red Didn’t have much going for him last Night, Thats a Shocker

I just shook my head when he let the Pittsburgh Runner just take 2nd base….

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Heyward with another grounder to 2nd…

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:47 pm

Nice start Ben.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:47 pm

“I would start McCann because I believe he is a better player than Ross”

I don’t believe that is currently true.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Nice start, Ben!

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Stolen base for Bourn, his 41st. Then he steals 3rd. That’s 42 steals, leaving him one off the NL lead.

Prado sac fly makes it 1-0, a run on Bourn’s speed.

A.J. Burnett is the only NL pitcher who’s allowed more steals this season than Hanson

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Sheets isn’t holding anything back for his final start. Pretty fresh to see him hit the mid 90s

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

I don’t believe that is currently true.

But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Mixxo and I thinking alike, as always…

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:49 pm

95 on the gun….

I wish I had “nothing left” and sat at 95…..

There’s something nice and special about a guy going out like Sheets is and letting it all hang out here….

I wish him well….

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:49 pm

Georgia receiver Bennett injured, out for season

that is bad news he was ballin

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players:

Player A: .324/.397/.561, 49 steals, 4 caught stealing, Gold Glove caliber centerfielder, 635 PA

Player B: .331/.394/.608, 4 steals, 1 caught stealing, poor defense at third base, 695 PA

Throw out all the other stuff. Which player would you pick first if you just have this one season, you could have your pick of absolutely any player, and if you had known beforehand what they were going to do this season? That’s the MVP. You aren’t taking the second, or fifth or 20th-most valuable player first in such a scenario.

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Ben Sheets 93-95 MPH on his fastball early on, hitting 95 several times. Strikes out McCutchen on a 95 mph heater.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Why is he retiring again? 95!!! 2 Ks!

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Ben is bringin’ it.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

What part of Mac is hurt and hasn’t hit a lick all season do we not seem to grasp?

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Braves shift focus on Friday’s wild card game.

We choked on our division chase so let us now “Shift Focus.”

Master strategists, those Braves.

In your face, Patton!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

“But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?”

Sure. He’s gotta show something of his old self to warrant the start. If not he isn’t ready.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

OK, changed my mind….Bourn for Braves MVP. :-)

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

Wish Ben would give it a go next year till Beachy gets close

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

A win today would be nice. Like I’ve said, gets us to 360 wins over the last four seasons. Great turnaround for the organization after an awful three years.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

Out running a errand listening to Jim Powell on the radio about Heyward. Saying after having a “solid year and something to build on” expects next year to elevate to .500 slugging and .370 OBP.

Right on both accounts hopefully and especially evaluating this season. Guy has had a solid season and thats great. MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Dang, now I’m getting all misty.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

“If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players”

Player B, clearly more valuable.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Ben Sheets is high fiving everyone and exchanging hugs in the #Braves dugout. Wonder if that’s all. No activity in bullpen yet

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Brian -

I don’t think 2 ABs today is going to change how 90% of the Braves fan base feels about Brian’s shoulder….

He just doesn’t have the strength

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Wow what a way to go out Mr. Ben Sheets! Those starts by Sheets were huge for the Braves. Thank you Ben Sheets, what a class act!

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac make it to first yet?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac w/ a hit. Start him Friday……

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Maybe his kids will talk him into coming back part time….

who knows….

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

A.J. Burnett is the only NL pitcher who’s allowed more steals this season than Hanson

Well, if he got traded, so can Hanson…

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

mac! Throw that ball back to the dugout!

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

Its In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!

I hope you plan on Bring your Keyster To Fridays Game?

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

P-Town, I don’t mind someone saying they would start Ross. That’s understandable. What’s baffling to me is MFin04 saying he’d start Ross, unless Mac “showed pop” in 2 at-bats today.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Braves need to get Sheets to promise to come back to us if he decides he wants to play some next year.

But then again, his shoulder might just fall off in another day or so.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

The Angels will make significant changes to their roster following a season that included many positive developments before ending in disappointment, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times reports. The team enters the offseason with a number of top priorities: re-signing free agents Zack Greinke and Torii Hunter, adding at least one more starting pitcher, improving the bullpen and trading Vernon Wells.

The Angels will likely let Dan Haren, Ervin Santana, LaTroy Hawkins, Jason Isringhausen and Maicer Izturis go, DiGiovanna reports. Haren has said he’d consider returning for less than the value of his $15.5MM option. Santana recently suggested he’s prepared for a change if the Angels decline his 2013 option, as expected.

I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Hanson for Burnett.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

The In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:57 pm

Didn’t Jason Isringhausen announce his retirement a week ago anyway?

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:57 pm

I love the “throw out all the other stuff” comment….

I see spinning it to your advantage again :twisted:

First off, it would depend on WHERE you needed a player and what spot in an order is needed as well…

Just like Trout would never bat cleanup, Miggy will never bat leadoff….

Your argument is pointless really….everyone knew from Day 1 of the conversation what side of the fence you were on….

Me, I was on Trout’s til he had an average Sept (for him), Miggy went crazy in Sept….AND carried his team to the playoffs….THAT put it over the top for me.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac make it to first yet?
************
lol…..

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Way to go Brian.

Dum-Bass

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

Veer

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

The Ball had to go to inside the dugout for Mac to advance to 3rd. HAHAHA

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

and trading Vernon Wells.

2 years, $42M left on his contract after this season.

Good luck with that.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Great for Ben Sheets, so proud of him, really glad we got to experience the end with him. :)

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Brian-

Agreed….now is not the time nor the situation to state that its all up to how a guy does today as to whether he plays Friday….

The only things I would be looking at as a manager are pen and bench guys that are on the fence….

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm

Mac on the basepaths…..

oh no.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm

What the …

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

You werent around for the 80’s I guess

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Simo still would have been out at first but B Mac can’t catch many breaks this season.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Yep, precisely why I said Ross is a better overall player than McCann and included base running. Wow Brian.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.

It’s close. Bourn, Prado and Heyward are the three guys that stand out. Only Chipper has been better than Heyward at the plate this season, per PA. And Heyward is an outstanding baserunner and defensive player.

I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.

Prado was nearly equal to Heyward at the plate but he played very good defense and got significant playing time at both left and third. So that pushes him into the conversation.

Those three are nearly equal in value and you could make a case for all three as Braves’ MVP, if you think MVP truly has a lot to do with player value.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Dum-Bass

“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”

Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 early and then Got Upset by the Giants

JC Boscan III

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

How many major leaguers retire after fanning an All-Star with 95 MPH heat?! Good job, Ben! …. Now, come on Braves — win the game!!! How about some offense!?!?!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

to be fair, any of our catchers would have been tagged out there…

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

“I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.”

Nope. You’re taking Bourn because if you didn’t it would kill your argument for Trout over Cabrera for MVP with WAR.

But Bourn is not the Braves MVP.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

efrim I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.

yes, please. c’mon wren.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

Free agent starters worth noting….

Ryan Dempster (36)
Zack Greinke (28)
Dan Haren (32)
Edwin Jackson (29)
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Shaun Marcum (31)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Jake Peavy (31)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Ervin Santana (30)
Joe Saunders (32)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”-Dum Bass

Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 weeks early and then Got Upset by the Giants

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

So….to recap:

Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….

Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…

Hmmmmmm…. :mad:

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

to be fair, any of our catchers would have been tagged out there…

But it’s okay when Ross does it.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

I hope you plan on Bring your Keyster To Fridays Game?

Why is there a question mark on the end of this sentence?

Not that sentence just now.

That sentence.

T-Hawk, what do you think?

I got my tickets last week. Realized yesterday they were for Game 1 of the division series.

Not to worry, I found two tickets on Stubhub for Friday.

I kind of broke the bank but no big deal.

I’ll get a full refund after the game is over.

Get it?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

Sheets went out w/ style, throwing 94-95 mph fastballs and one at 96 — his last pitch, to strike out McCutchen on 3 pitches.

Struck out two of three batters he faced in 12-pitch inning. Was scheduled to go two, so obviously the shoulder was barking.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

What did McGlacier do?

Try to score from second on a triple?

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

“Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….

Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…”

Haha interesting point, very valid.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

P-Town Brave ©, if we just look at players’ Septembers, we are ignoring how much they contributed in all other months. Trout, on the season as a whole, contributed more to his team. The MVP is for the season as a whole.

First off, it would depend on WHERE you needed a player and what spot in an order is needed as well…

I’m talking about if you were playing to win in the 2012 season, it was just that one season and you knew beforehand exactly what every player was going to do that season. Which player would you pick first? You aren’t concerned with needs at that point. You can start anywhere. Which player would you pick first, if you had a completely blank slate and you knew exactly what every player was going to do? That is the MVP.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

I mean, you have to like what you’ve seen from Avilan as a reliever. Really hope he’s in next years pen.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

however, Mac didn’t really need to run there.

McCarthy is a free agent this year? He’s not really a #1, but I wouldn’t mind having him. Greinke, Haren, McCarthy, Peavy.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

Efrim,
I don’t know about the rest of the list, but I’d cross the first one off. He was pretty pretty adamant about not wanting to come to ATL, although maybe it was just because the way the whole thing was handled.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:09 pm

Start Ross Friday.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
1:12 pm

You werent around for the 80’s I guess

You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess. Averaged coming in 5th place for that decade with a .450 winning percentage, no post seasons, no MVPs, averaged 10,000 people a game.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

Freddie Freeman. Negative defensive WAR player. ;)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

4 errors in 156 Games For Martini!

Now Thats a Purdy Stat

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

“Life throws you curveballs,” Greenberg said. “Mine threw me a fastball at 92, and it hit me in the back of the head. I got up from it, and my life is great.” – Mike Greenberg.

Great story.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Free agent starters worth noting….

Ryan Dempster

Do or die start for Dempster…. see if he can handle the pressure today.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Efrim…ok so let me pick at that list…

Ryan Dempster (36) — too old
Zack Greinke (28) —- Option A
Dan Haren (32) —- Option B
Edwin Jackson (29) —- inconsistent
Hiroki Kuroda (38) —- WAY too old…and probably 43
Francisco Liriano (29) —- think projects as better reliever in future (closer stuff)
Kyle Lohse (34) —– too old, Boras guy
Shaun Marcum (31) —- too injury prone, peripherals are shaky
Brandon McCarthy (29) —- injury prone., great stuff though when able to pitch
Jake Peavy (31) —- could be solid option if not for medical report (or binder in his case)
Anibal Sanchez (29) — way too inconsistent…good stuff….10 cent head
Ervin Santana (30) —- same as Sanchez above
Joe Saunders (32) —- never really materialized from back end guy

Here’s how I would rank them:
Zack Greinke
Dan Haren
Brandon McCarthy
Jake Peavy
Ervin Santana
Anibal Sanchez
Edwin Jackson
Francisco Liriano
Ryan Dempster
Kyle Lohse
Shaun Marcum
Joe Saunders
Hiroki Kuroda

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Nope. You’re taking Bourn because if you didn’t it would kill your argument for Trout over Cabrera for MVP with WAR.

But Bourn is not the Braves MVP.

I’m taking Bourn because of his overall contributions. No matter whether you use WAR or something else to determine a player’s overall contributions, any serious attempt to determine overall contributions would clearly lead you to Trout a AL MVP and would lead you to either Bourn, Prado or Heyward as Braves’ MVP. Bourn is just as good a candidate as any other.

All I’m trying to do is look at players’ total contributions and go where they lead me to determine MVP, whether it’s AL, NL or team MVP. I’m not starting with something other than value (like Triple Crown or team-in-the-playoffs or something else). With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

I really like that Player B

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
1:16 pm

You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess

You weren’t around for the 60’s I guess. Having to commute to Milwaukee to go to a game was a pain in the butt.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Here’s how I would rank them:
Zack Greinke
Dan Haren
Brandon McCarthy
Jake Peavy

After those 4, I couldn’t care less about anyone else.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Jason Heyward, a Braves MVP candidate?

What’s the record for second base ground outs in a season?

Forget single season, he has to have already shattered the all time record by now.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:18 pm

Yeah, but imagine being around in the 1890s when the Braves were in Boston. The commute was probably even more painful

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.”

WAR does not necessarily equal value. Especially when all of it is defensive relative value. Martin Prado is the Braves MVP.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

…and just to be clear, I was NOT around in the 1890s.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

The Braves offense is horrific.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

Kyle Lohse- 212 innings, 34 walks. Guy throws strikes and has had a really good 2 year stretch. I would give him a look this offseason.

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
1:20 pm

Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate today?

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm

I wonder if there are gonna be any awards for the 1 game series like MVP of WC series?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm

Teheran in to pitch the 3rd inning for Braves, after Avilan had 1 K and 1 hit allowed in 2nd inning

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:22 pm

If Teheran goes 1 inning without giving up a run he should start over Hanson next year. ;)

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:23 pm

The Braves offense is Feast or Famine…with a little too much Famine.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

Ted M,
the more important question would be if the Braves (God forbid) lose the play-in game, will they hang a 2012 WC playin banner at Turner Field?

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

For MVP, do all of you start with trying to determine players’ values for the season or do you start with whether certain stats that may or may not do a great job at reflecting value look impressive and assume that the player that put up such gaudy stats was the most valuable?

Just asking how you do it. Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

I predict Brian McCann has a good game Friday.

Lee in S GA

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

———————————-
All the games throughout the 70’s and late 80’s were irrelevant after the 1st ten played.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Julio Teheran 3 career MLB jersey #s in only 4 career starts, lol.

#s: 43, 57, 56

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

There’s our 5th starter next year. Bye bye Hanson!

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:26 pm

They probably will hang that banner but I’m with Clusters on that one…I don’t think they should.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:26 pm

There has never been an award for the division series.

Who would give an award for a one-off wild card game?

I mean, really.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:27 pm

“Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.”

Yes, but what weight do you give to speed/defense/offense/making playoffs/setting records/etc is very arbitrary. Not to mention the defensive metrics are a work in process at this point.

Does everyone have to have the same weights for their valuations?

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:28 pm

“There has never been an award for the division series”

oh I didn’t realize that.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:29 pm

How about we make everyone earn their day off. As soon as you do something productive offensively you get the day off. Weak infield singles DO NOT count. ;)

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:29 pm

Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate on Friday?

Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm

Has Teheran been bombed yet?

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm

Does anyone know if the A’s / Rangers game is on the radio. Regular radio.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm

WAR does not necessarily equal value. Especially when all of it is defensive relative value. Martin Prado is the Braves MVP.

There are plenty of ways to determine value. WAR is one way that can help you. There are others.

Prado is a fine choice, as is Bourn, as is Heyward. Not much distinguishes those three players, with any sort of serious attempt to determine player value. Now I can speak to the attempts that aren’t serious or the attempts to assume one player is most valuable then working backwards in an attempt to prove that he is. The appropriate way is to probably be open to any possibility and to accept wherever the determination of player values takes you, no matter what your biases say about who should be MVP.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:33 pm

Does anyone think stealing bases in a meaningless game is A LITTLE dangerous!?! :cry:

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:33 pm

The vast majority of playoff and World Series games Maddux and Glavine lost was due to being hung out to dry by the Braves non-offense.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
1:34 pm

Kris Medlen, Mike Minor, Tim Hudson, Paul Maholm and then Hanson. Teheran and Delgado close to being ready. A couple of other guys that might be a year away.

And let’s not forget about our mid season “acquisition” in Brandon Beachy.

Guys, I could be wrong, but I really don’t see starting pitching being a big priority for FW this winter. My guess is he’s more worried about replacing Jones’ and Bourns’ bats and Michael’s defense.

Just my guess.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:34 pm

The site is acting very slow the last week or so.

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm

I tried to post a mute point joke but the server ate it so it is now moot

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm

Uggla, my son!!! To right-center. The offense is fixed :D

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm

@Ted M………………..I predict Teddy M will be elected Senator from Massachusetts.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Shaun, you’re an idiot…

Epinephrine

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Nice to see Jason start to heat up…looked good for a few games now…

veer

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Offense is producing for sure. I think we are ready to score some runs vs Cardinals.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

I’d still start Ross for the play-in, but it’s nice to see BMac getting a few hits.

tony austin

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

The outcome of this game might be meaningless, but the confidence that may result from the stolen bases and base hits are not.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Nice to see some of these guys get a few hits today.

(Efrim, it’s incredibly slow on refreshing for me too!)

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

“Does anyone know if the A’s / Rangers game is on the radio. Regular radio.”

I don’t know about that but I do know that it will be on TV on the MLB Network.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Phil,
I think 2002. Against who, I don’t remember without researching it.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

phil

“Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate on Friday?

Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.”

OW!

Its Good to see us getting a Rally Going! Hopefully it carries over into Friday

Soon as I type this we hit into the 4-6-3 DP, SMH

veer

October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm

FRANSISCO SHOULD BE LEFT OF THE ROSTER. GUY IS PATEHTIC.

jmac83

October 3rd, 2012
1:37 pm

I’m taking my family, including two school-age kids, to Friday’s game. Would MLB really delay announcing a start time for Braves until Thursday, if Orioles end up having to play a tiebreaker with the Yankees?

tony austin

October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm

That dude has absolutely no plate disciple. Burnett is in trouble no Francisco, make Burnett work there.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm

That was Juan nice at-bat with RISP

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Prado finishes with a .301/.359/.438 line for the 2012 season. Solid bounceback offensive season for Prado. Great defense and versatility. Hoping he is one of the first to be locked up this winter.

Sopheee

October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Nice to see Mac with a couple of hits today.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm

“Prado is a fine choice, as is Bourn, as is Heyward.”

Yep, it is an opinion based on various stats and weights. Same thing with Trout and Cabrera.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:39 pm

1914 World Series?

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:40 pm

Can anyone tell me the last time Francisco got a hit?

Was it the walk-off dribbler through the left side?!

I for the life of me can’t recall such a bad group of bench players….and that is considering we traded for the best PH-er in the game today in Reed Johnson….

veer

October 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm

Fransisco has no duty in being part of Friday game vs Cardinals. This guy is worthless. He will end the rally. I would take Hinske and Overbay over Fransisco

tony austin

October 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm

Are my recollections correct, has it been 20 years since the Braves won an elimination game – 1992 vs the Pirates, Sid Slid?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm

2 hits for Mac? OK, I’m back to favoring Mac for starting Friday.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm

tony…
um…no. Not even close.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm

“I would take Hinske and Overbay over Fransisco”

Incorrect.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm

Mac has a couple of hits?

ok.

Play the guy Friday.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:44 pm

No matter who catches, they need to hit 8th on Friday

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:44 pm

Can anyone tell me the last time Francisco got a hit?

He doubled yesterday…

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:45 pm

“Mac has a couple of hits?”

Yes, a total of 200 ft worth of hits, but 2 hits indeed. But sure I’m game with playing him now. At least he has now felt first base under his feet again.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Francisco doubled yesterday, before that, his last hit was on September 6th… of course, he hasn’t had many ABs, so… (21 since Sept 1)

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Wow McCutch got picked off and they didn’t call it.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Teheran breaking out the slider. Nice to see.

veer

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Teheran doesn’t impress me. He should be traded.

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

What is Julio’s velocity ? TIA

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.

youve never won one, and never will.

this braves has never played in such a game. this is not 2010.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Nicely done!

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Teheran picked off McCutchen twice that inning…

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm

Nice pickoff move.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm

Teheran with the quick feet…

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm

Nice Pickoff! Good Call Don!

Powder Blue

October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm

Good to see the offense firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs.

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm

“What is Julio’s velocity ?”

Been 91-93 today, lots of 91 and 92’s on the radar gun.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm

Mac also had what, a 4-5 in NY…. has hit .186 since then. He’s not fixed by any means. Can’t decide to start him now based on 1 game. Still is nice to see him hitting, hope it continues.

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm

I like Simba’s bat. Guy has a nice level stroke.

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm

Thank you ncbravesfan90

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm

veer

“Fransisco has no duty in being part of Friday game vs Cardinals. This guy is worthless. ”

Are You serious? The Dude was Brought in to Platoon…Because of him that Posse at 3rd is amongst the best in the league in overall production, and he takes no chunks out of the payroll

Lay off The Road-Runner

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Powder Blue

“Good to see the offense firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs.”

I wouldn’t say all that, but so far they look a lot better today than they did the last 2 nights, Is it the Bench effect?

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Not seeing much from Baker OTOH.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Shaun, you’re an idiot…

When you start hurling insults and can’t build a case rationally and respectfully, you’ve lost the debate.

Yep, it is an opinion based on various stats and weights. Same thing with Trout and Cabrera.

Sorry. I firmly disagree that “value” is subjective or an opinion. If that were the case, I could argue Jeff Francoeur as the AL MVP. I could point to things like his apparently excellent work ethic, the fact that he seems like a nice guy, etc. as reasons he is the most valuable player. Or I could argue Yunel Escobar is the MVP because I like the way he plays. Perhaps that’s why the MVP choice is often a joke, because the voters actually view it this way, as subjective or as an opinion.

This doesn’t mean most valuable is always clear-cut and there are no serious debates to be had in many cases. In the NL this season, for example, there are a number of fine candidates and a serious debate to be had. But “value” has an objective definition.

Chop

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Hey Chipper!!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

All this stealing worries me, guys are going to hurt themselves.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm

We beat St louis in game 7 of the 96 NLCS…..

It’s been ages.

Powder Blue

October 3rd, 2012
1:53 pm

Tomahawkin’,

I was being sarcastic.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm

Last win in a playoff elimination game?

Had to be around the turn of the century.

The 20th century.

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm

It’s been hard enough to get Braves on base as things are–and when we do, you can’t get picked off, just plain stupid Andrelton.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Prado finishes with a .301/.359/.438 line for the 2012 season. Solid bounceback offensive season for Prado. Great defense and versatility. Hoping he is one of the first to be locked up this winter.

Can you imagine the value he would have as a full-time thirdbaseman? Even if he takes some steps back, he would still have a lot of value there. Replacement level at thirdbase right now is low.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Wow

This Game might be over by the Time I have to go Play In Atlanta Traffic…

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Who is Jeff Baker?

Why is Jeff Baker?

Powder Blue

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

This team needs a good right-handed bat for next season in a bad way.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

“This doesn’t mean most valuable is always clear-cut”

Exactly, that is why if Trout or Cabrera wins it would be acceptable. To act as though it is an obvious choice is absurd. All depends on the weighting of various factors. You seem to think making the playoffs isn’t important, others might think it is. You seem to think leading your team down the stretch isn’t important, others might.

But it is hard to be the MVP when you haven’t added the value of making the playoffs to your MVP resume.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

If that were the case, I could argue Jeff Francoeur as the AL MVP.

You can. You’d just be in the minority.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

Powder Blue

“Tomahawkin’,

I was being sarcastic.”

Oh Ok…If thats the case, Them Im With ya. This offense scares the Holy Hell out of Me for Fridays game

Powder Blue

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

is Cabrera still leading in BA, HR & RBI?

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm

Shaun – MV(valuable)P – For Braves – Prado…PRADO…Your Damn WAR does not measure the value of a guy who can play almost any position they ask him to, and well. Bunches of games at 3B, and LF, Several at 2B and SS, at least 1 at 1B. 4 errors all year. You cannot quantify that, but it’s DAMNED valuable to be able to do that, especially with a weak bench. Gives the team incredible versitility.

Guy has an A+++ attitude…the ULTIMATE team guy…Cannot be quantified, but DAMNED valuable.

301/.359/.429 SOLID. Most multi-hit games in the league this year. SOLID. DAMNED valuable.

My humble opinion is…Bourn, excellent year all around…Heyward, great comeback, excellent year, Chipper Jones, team leader…Prado? MVP…and not close.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:57 pm

Phil,
We beat the Mets in ‘99 on a bases-loaded walk. But I still think we won the DS in ‘02, and then lost to the Giants in the CS.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:58 pm

Mixxo

“Not seeing much from Baker OTOH.”

He’s another Jack Wilson at the Dish…I’m not expecting much unlike Wilson whom I was amped when we got him thinking he would be the 200 hit guy he was with Pittsburgh Ages Ago

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm

VJ-

Yeah, that was way beyond the time I flipped the game off yesterday….

T-Hawkin-

No, but he takes a chunk out of the food budget :lol:

Fin-

Not a fan of any of our LHH, but Overbay has some success against Lohse so I would keep him around

Fols

October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm

I tried clicking on Baker to find out who he is….all I got was a page not found error.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm

shaun Perhaps that’s why the MVP choice is often a joke, because the voters actually view it this way, as subjective or as an opinion.

like it or not, it IS subjective. you saying that value is not subjective doesnt make it so. it certainly is.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm

Shaun, you’re an idiot.

I already built my case earlier today.

That is all.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm

If it were up to me, I’d have had Delgado in games in Sept and pitching out of the pen so we could use him come playoff time…

He has the stuff to miss bats out of the pen….

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm

“Not a fan of any of our LHH”

Exactly. I don’t think any one of the guys SCREAMS pick me. I could see value in any of them. Hinske has done it before in the playoffs, tons of experience, Juan has the power…

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm

And Delgado strikes out the side… man, I hope that kid doesn’t get traded.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm

Delgado strikes out the side.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm

We’re winning.

Oh, and it’s a shutout.

It’s weird how those two things seem to go hand in hand sometimes.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm

Breaking news from DC:

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP
Teddy wins the President’s Race.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm

Hard to imagine both Teheran and Delgado with the organization next year.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm

My mistake, phil.
ATL beat Houston in 2001 in the DS, then lost to AZ in the CS.

nolie

October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm

Me, I was on Trout’s til he had an average Sept (for him), Miggy went crazy in Sept….AND carried his team to the playoffs….THAT put it over the top for me….P-Town

me too

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm

“Everybody Clap Yo Hands!”

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP”

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

Last regular season at bat for Chipper Jones. Sad.

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

1st-pitch single for pinch-hitting Chipper

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

Chipper’s ready for the playoffs. He’s fresh.

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

Shaun – You aren’t always right, no matter how many times you say it…or even how you say it. Of course, you ARE always arrogant and condescending about it.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm

Yea, Chipper!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm

Start Chipper Friday.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm

Not all the time.

But sometimes.

It’s weird.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm

Awesome!

Chipper retires with a hit! As it should be….

And Sheets goes out on top as well…

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm

Glad Kat got to see Hoss get that hit

phil

October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm

Was the 2001 win over Houston in game 5?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm

Another grounder from Heyward… he reaches, but still, it’s not encouraging to see grounders.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm

Awesome for Chipper.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm

No, it was a sweep. Sorry, I didn’t understand you meant sudden death games.

veer

October 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm

uggla drive chipper in come on

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:11 pm

The at bats this last two series have been better for Jason. Just needs to break through – hopefully Friday.

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm

“Teddy wins the President’s Race”

the anti-Teddy fans are going to say that was scripted

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm

You can. You’d just be in the minority.

Who cares? MVP is all just subjectivity and opinion anyway, right? I’m free from criticism and trying to build a reasonable case for my MVP because it’s all opinion.

MFin04, a player being on a playoff team is probably the very last factor to consider, if it’s even a factor at all. MVP is an individual award. A player’s value is determined by his contributions in terms of helping his team win or increasing their chances to win, not he and his teammates’ contributions.

Try determining MVP based on value, not based on whether you think a player deserves recognition or hype, whether you like him or whether he’s done something that is neat. Focus like a laser on value. All the other stuff has nothing to do with MVP.

The award is not Most Neat Accomplishment or Most Impressive Player on a Playoff Team or Most Popular Player Among Voters. The award should be all about value, otherwise they should just change the name.

tony austin

October 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm

I like the way Chipper is going out, strong. Not trying to hook up with some other team and play until people just shake their heads and say, “He should have left the game years ago.”

I don’t know if Chipper reads the blog, but if he does –> Thank you for everything Chipper. Gonna really miss seeing you play.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:13 pm

Uggla’s 94th walk of the season.

PDOG

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

Efrim
It is hard not to imagine both Tehran and Delegad not on the Braves next year. I would rather have those two over Hanson and Mahlom the upside is so much higher. They both might struggle at first but like Minor they will figure it out and give the Braves a great rotation for 2014, if not 13. Braves rotation in 2014. Minor, Medlin, Beachy, Tehran and Delegado with Graham and Gilmartin ready to go if there is an injury. I can’t wait

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

Here comes a nice dp!

Fredo

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

B Team’s Boscan comes through!!!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

Boscan w/ an RBI. Start him Friday!

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

Well done getting Chipper in, JC!!!

nolie

October 3rd, 2012
2:15 pm

Cool. Chipper goes out on a hit and a run scored :D

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:16 pm

Was that Boscan’s first MLB at-bat?

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
2:16 pm

Chipper scores a run on the last game of his regular season career. Nice.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Efrim

You really think FW will be trying to upgrade the starting rotation for next year? (I know you WANT him to, but do you really think that will be a priority for him??)

Just curious……

WTG Boscan and Hoss!

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSCAN!!! CAN

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Nice Hit JC

This Game is In The BAG!

Three Stinking RUNS! 3!!! is all we need Friday! Get It Done anyway, anyhow, Like The Man Said “By Any Means Necessary!”

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst
I can’t imagine anything bigger can happen in baseball today than Teddy Roosevelt winning his first President’s Race in DC.
Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler
Dodgers Offer Teddy Roosevelt Four Years, $36 Million

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:17 pm

JC Boscan!

I stand corrected.

Now from the don’t-act-like-I-don’t-know-my-Braves department comes this.

Trivia question: What did JC Boscan do in his first career at-bat?

veer

October 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm

COME ON ALL YOU FRANSISCO SUPPORTERS. THIS GUY HITS WEAKER GROUNDERS THAN CONSTANZA. HIS AT BATS WILL KILL US IN THE PLAYOFFS

tony austin

October 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm

You’d think you’d look for a better pitcher on 2-1 with the bases loaded. I guess not, fortunate that wasn’t a DP.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:18 pm

Enter your comments here

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm

Let’s blow em out. Kimbrel doesn’t need to pad his saves numbers any more. Go get em offense!

nolie

October 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm

no, he has around 20 PAs I would guess

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm

this just in…TR suspended 50 races for PEDs…more at 11.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
2:19 pm

Uggla with another meaningless OBP thingy….

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm

John Smoltz might not have been so crazy with his idea of using the BP in the play-in… it’s working today! :D

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm

Chipper scores a run on the last game of his regular season career.

Yeah, cue the fireworks on that one.

Let’s hope Friday night provides a more Hollywood like ending.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
2:20 pm

TR?

Tim Raines? lol

nolie

October 3rd, 2012
2:21 pm

we all know how little you actually know about both baseball and the Braves, Mitchell. Your comments leave no question about it

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
2:21 pm

Base on Balls to load the bases………… I think he eventually scored. I think it was the last game of the season a couple of years back.