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TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:08 am

But I guess some folks are enamored with the Triple Crown…..

I am not.

That’s a shame. It’s only been achieved 13 times since 1901 and the last time was in the mid/late 60’s. It’s like Haley’s Comet is coming around and you’re all “bah humbug.” Payne acted similarly when Howard was on the verge of hitting 60HR in the post-roid/testing era. Howard landed 2 shy, but it was pretty cool to see if he’d make it.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:09 am

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
9:59 am
OK, what is WAR (see, I’m learning so much today!)

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About WAR, I don’t understand what numbers they use as the replacement numbers. Who is the repacement they are compareing to?

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
10:12 am

“best tickets available when i was there on sunday were in section 431. thats one of the last sections they fill up. so yeah, i think its basically a sell out. there are tickets on stub hub if you want some.”

Are those the skyline seats…?

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M. Hudson has to stay healthy. Bad memories of Glavine coming back in 2008 for 8M and absolutely nothing contributed.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9

_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .182 .308 .242 0.550 .267 ___82
Prado__ .313 .405 .594 0.999 .429 __224
Heyward .206 .270 .324 0.594 .315 ___94
Freeman .235 .297 .529 0.827 .353 __167
Uggla__ .276 .371 .379 0.751 .365 __146
McCann_ .172 .250 .207 0.457 .219 ___51
Francis .226 .250 .419 0.669 .284 __116
Simmons .138 .219 .172 0.391 .192 ___29
Sheets_ .000 .071 .000 0.071 .096 __-75

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

No way BMAC should start Friday. IF FG starts him, it’s loyalty over best chance to win 1 game. Kind of decisions that could blow up in your face.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

It’s like Haley’s Comet is coming around and you’re all “bah humbug.”

Damn straight. A third of the award is something I do not look at when evaluating a player, and honestly, I can’t remember the last time I was in a discussion with you, scoots, nolie or anyone else and even mentioned it. I don’t sit here and say “Look! Heyward has 81 RBI this year!!! That’s solid!!!!”.

So, while I can appreciate the “coolness” factor, I don’t really care. And it might be a shame to you – not to me.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

So Chipper isn’t starting in Game 162 of his final ever regular season game? Another bummer.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:13 am

I think there will be a slightly better lineup out there this afternoon, yesterdays was a real G-BRAVES lineup. Game was boring.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

usnavyvolfaninva – Cabrera is going to play more games. Keep in mind however that the Angels were 6-14 when Trout was called up. He’s led them to being playoff contenders. He plays a more demanding position, hits in a tougher ballpark, and is still worth almost 4 wins more than Cabrera. He’s basically the same hitter is you look at OPS+, a better defender, and a better baserunner.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M

They’ll pick up both, I can just about guarantee it.

Hudson will have offseason surgery to take care of the bone spur, and McCann will probably come into next season in the best shape of his life, it being a contract year and all.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

“Keith Lockhart or the much feared Ryan Langerhans”

Although Langerhan played a key role the last time the Braves won a playoff game at home. Had a big double in the game Mac went yard against the Rocket and he started that game. Just saying.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

TnPaul,
Man, I was in such a good mood until you posted those numbers. Half our lineup is automatic outs! OUCH!

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

Huddy and McCann options next a year a big question mark for 22M. Hudson has to stay healthy. Bad memories of Glavine coming back in 2008 for 8M and absolutely nothing contributed.

How are either question marks? No catcher in the system can replace McCann next year and Hudson for 9 million, even at age 37 is a solid bargain. Both will be picked up shortly after the conclusion of the World Series. Maholm too.

Tomahawkin

October 3rd, 2012
10:15 am

MFin04

“Braves had six players with 57 walks or more heading into game 162″

Now show us the strikeouts. Lol. Or show us the strikeouts with men on base when putting the ball in play meant a run.

Gosh I hope this offense really catches fire today. I can’t stop imagining bad things for Friday.”

Co-Sign! I don’t what Chaps my #### More during Blown RISP and less than 2 out chances???

A Pop Up or A 3 pitch K as a result of swinging for the fences…Can’t swing for the fences in Cool October Air, Ball is not gonna carry and other than The Great American Smallpark, all the playoff teams play in below avg or pitcher friendly parks

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:16 am

I don’t sit here and say “Look! Heyward has 81 RBI this year!!! That’s solid!!!!”

There’s only one regular on here that such a statement would seem apt and it isn’t scoots, me or nolie.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

WAR doesn’t seem quite as useful to compare differently positioned players. The guys have completely different jobs, on completely different teams, with completely different roles. And when you do compare their offensive stats, it isn’t that close. Not to mention one guy is going to do something that has only been done 13 times since 1901. Wow.

And it isn’t like he is just hitting for average, driving in runs, and hitting homers. His OPS is over 1.000! .44 points higher than Trouts.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

Frankie,
good point. I just threw his name out for no particular reason.

monty

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

Yeh, Triple Crown is no biggy. People do that all the time, like once every 45 years, maybe. Utter nonsense. If it was Chipper it would be the best thing since sliced bread.

flange1

October 3rd, 2012
10:17 am

The Twins need pitching VERY badly for 2013.

I think Hanson is going there as part of a deal for Willingham or Span of both.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am

Who is the repacement they are compareing to? – George George

League average ball players

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am

Question marks regarding lot of money spent and chance of little return on investment. Pretty much have to do it, could blow up just as easily.

Huddy is a solid bargain but that 9M could be used for a FA pitcher as well, say Kyle Lohse who is 3 years younger.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:19 am

I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:19 am

His OPS is over 1.000! .44 points higher than Trouts. -MFin04

Trout hits in a much more pitcher friendly ballpark. OPS+ is park adjusted and Trout is higher. Not by much, but Trout leads the AL in OPS+

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

“Frankie,
good point. I just threw his name out for no particular reason”

I got ya Navy. Just have fond memories of that night as I attended. Can’t believe its been that long since a victory at home.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

There are more disturbing stats, that place Tommy towards the bottom of starting pitchers this year…. We’ll see what happens this winter. I sincerely hope you are right, Efrim.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:20 am

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:18 am
**********
Thank you.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

I think what has been lost in this whole WAR debate is that homers and RBIs still do matter, and matter quite a bit. They aren’t just about timing and positioning in the order, it still is a skill. You do have to drive in guys when they are on in order to get RBIs. Look at this team there is some correlation between the low RBI numbers and guys not being able to put the ball in play with RISP. Free Swinging Freddie leads the team in RBIs. Hmm, probably because he does tend to put the ball in play more than other guys.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

There’s only one regular on here that such a statement would seem apt and it isn’t scoots, me or nolie.

Okay….not really sure why that would bother you. Take that out of it, and I’d love to hear what your thoughts on what I said before that.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:21 am

It’s been bizarre to sit back and watch the American League MVP debate unfold. There has never been anything like it. Has there? Maybe it started out as a debate over the credentials of Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera. But now it’s erupted into your basic civil war between new-age and old-age thinkers. On one side, you hear the self-appointed enlightened minds of a new millennium screaming, “The Triple Crown is meaningless.” On the other side, you hear the Carl Yastrzemski Fan Club roaring, “WAR is just a bunch of sabermetric baloney.”
But here’s the deal: Both sides are wrong. If Miguel Cabrera pulls off this triple crown, it’s NOT meaningless. It might not mean what it meant when, say, Joe Medwick won it. But there’s a tradition, a dash of folklore and a certain romance in play here. And ohbytheway, if NONE of the great hitters who have passed through the old batter’s box in the past 45 years have found a way to win this thing, it must be pretty frigging hard to do, right?
So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.

–Jason Stark

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
10:23 am

Absolutely….in my best Pennsylvania Dutch…..absoooluuuuuuutely, we pick and choose our wins and loses, vis-a-vis playing our ‘full lineup’ vs. our ‘fullest lineup,’ [example] The Hinske’s, The Francisco’s….and, The Gastrointestinally Challenged……..Go Bravs!

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:23 am

George_George

“I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.”

Agreed, Stuff like that can make a Casual Fan lose interest in the game, especially if there are a bunch of kids involved…Taking Kids to a Game is EXPENSIVE!!! And Gas ain’t getting any Cheaper!

Bank on 4 dollar gas by Thanksgiving!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:24 am

I think I like Jason Stark.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:24 am

So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.”

You can celebrate it until the martians land – doesn’t mean I have too. And I think it’s patently absurd to say that I’ve lost touch with the sport because of that.

And if Stark truly thought both sides were wrong and had a foot in each camp, I hope he’d have more than just this to support the “WAR folks” –

On the other side, you hear the Carl Yastrzemski Fan Club roaring, “WAR is just a bunch of sabermetric baloney.”

But I didn’t read the whole article. Hope there was more to it than that.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 am

Tomahawkin,
It’s about $3.55 on average here in Eastern VA.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:26 am

i still think RBI are cool.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:27 am

Basically, if you don’t care too much about the Triple Crown – you are Shaun, and if you do, you are a real baseball fan.

That’s f!cking stupid.

How in the world can it be black and white like that?

flange1

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 am

Thanks for the quote TennPaul, that is the best comment that I have seen on the AL MVP.

I hope Miggy wins the Triple Crown. Has not been done often and he is a great hitter, hope he can join the list of folks that have won the Crown. Congratulations should come from everyone in the game.

But saying that, I think Trout should and will win the MVP. While he did not win the Triple Crown, he had a better season and was a MORE valuable player.

IMHO.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:28 am

Wow

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/

Safeco Field iwill be Bringing in their Fences Next Season, Hopefully the Braves will Follow Suit, Hate Hate Hate Boring Pitchers Duels!

Especially when its 2 starting pitchers who have 5.50 ERAS, Nobody wants to pay 250 bucks for a family of 4 to see that ####

Houston will bring in its CF field fence as well, starting next year

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 am

Time for the Golden boy to do something special this year in the playoffs starting Friday. Heyward looked absolutely horrific back in 2010 against the Giants. Of course, the whole lineup did as well but time for this guy to step up.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:29 am

I have as much confidence in Meds as anyone, but Jesus Christ, does anyone truly believe the offense will actually show up?!

I understand the career numbers against Lohse, but thats also saying the same thing as saying that the Cardinals offense is REALLY good….

So either the Braves offense finally comes out of the proverbial coma its in OR Meds finally get kicked around by a solid offense….

At this point, I’m not certain which will happen….I am just afraid this offense will be the death of this team, and it won’t even take ace type pitching to do it.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

I’d love to hear what your thoughts on what I said before that

The Stark quote pretty welled summed up my thoughts on this debate. But “what you said before that” was basically you don’t look at RBI… is there supposed to be a response to what numbers you enjoy perusing? If you like average, fine. If you like WAR, fine. If you pound any one stat as an end all, be all stat in a conversation about a player, then I’d have a few thoughts to offer. But I haven’t seen you do that, so…

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

i still think RBI are cool.

If someone had 200 RBI or some high number in a season, I would probably think that’s pretty cool. I wouldn’t sing the praises of it. I’d smirk, say good for him and his team, and go about my business. If someone won 30 games, I’d think it was pretty cool.

I don’t value either stats that heavily though, so it’s tough for me to consider it jaw dropping cool.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

If this game is at 4:00 on Friday, I’m probably gonna have to let some scalper rip me off when I sell him one of my tickets.

If he only offers me $5, then I’ll gladly hold onto the extra ticket for leg room.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:30 am

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:25 am

Tomahawkin,
It’s about $3.55 on average here in Eastern VA

It was 3.35 In NW Mississippi when I was coming back from Memphis on Labor Day as opposed to 3.95 out here in Gwinnett during labor day, what a Hustle!

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 am

So, is Houston getting rid of the flag pole in CF?

phil

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I haven’t followed Cabrera’s exploits this season at all…..

This morning, I saw his numbers posted vs those of Trout.

It’s not even close.

Cabrera has had an unbelievable season and clearly deserves the silly MVP award. Never mind that his team is in the playoffs while the Angels sit it out, long mentioned as being part of the criteria in most seasons for picking an MVP. I now don’t even understand why it’s being discussed.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

“I felt sorry for KAT yesterday, she drove 460 miles spend money and got to see no one good play.”

I’d feel bad for her if she had to see the game on Monday. The Tuesday game at least the guys showed up and hit the ball even though they were backups. The Monday group got 2-hit by a horrible lefty pitcher.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

OK, so I just read the definition of WAR on wikipedia (so it must be true)….seems like a highly subjective way of evaluating an every day player.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

P-Town Brave ©

“I have as much confidence in Meds as anyone, but Jesus Christ, does anyone truly believe the offense will actually show up?!”

Co-Sign Dude, I seriously hope they make us eat crow and Give MEDS some early runs! I don’t want to see another 1 run on 8 hits performance as we have seen often the last 2 months

Meds is gonna have to be near perfect though. Have a feeling an itchy one!

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I think Miggy putting the Tigers on his back in September and into the playoffs gets him the MVP….

Look at their numbers in September….Miggy was unreal, Trout was average….

Yeah take them both of their respective teams and neither is all that much to talk about, but w/ or w/o Trout, they STILL don’t make the playoffs…..

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:32 am

I think the offense will be more of a issue in the following series against the Nats or Reds. We somehow scratch and claw to a victory Friday night. Gets further exposed starting the following series.

Hate this lineup as constructed 1-8 and always have. FG playing dangerously game the last 4 weeks not shaking it up and winning by starting pitching strength period in September.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Cabrera helped lead his team past the White Sox and into the playoffs. Trout will be staying at home and go fishing for trout.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Ef, he went on to say: “BUT, now that I’ve got that preamble out of the way, I have to admit: I missed the memo that says, “If you hit this trifecta, you should automatically win yourself a shiny, new MVP trophy.” That, to me, seems just as absurd.
He believes Trout deserves the MVP. He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

The triple crown is very hard to do, so the player MUST get a lot of credit for doing it.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:31 am

So, is Houston getting rid of the flag pole in CF?

Nevermind…Typo dude, My bad…They are unlikely to move it in…I like the Flagpole in play as well as the Tal’s Hill idea, Its unique

phil

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….

:roll:

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:33 am

Playoff HRs and RBIs will matter a heckuva a lot more than Playoff WAR on Friday, that’s for sure. ;)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:34 am

But “what you said before that” was basically you don’t look at RBI… is there supposed to be a response to what numbers you enjoy perusing?

No. It’s a third of the award, which is a significant portion to me. So I have trouble with caring all that much about the award because of it. Sorry, just have trouble getting past that and giving Miguel Cabrera the MVP based on that alone.

He’d be #2 for me though.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 am

MFin04 – Nothing is lost in a WAR conversation. It takes hitting, defense, and baserunning into play to evaluate total performance. MVP awards should go to the best all-around player, correct? Some people want to look at just offensive production to evaluate players. Trout shouldnt be penalized for the RBI conversation just because he’s a leadoff hitter. Both of these guys are great players, but Trout is far superior when it comes to defense, baserunning, and according to OPS+ they are basically the same hitter.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:35 am

phil

“Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….”

Where is ChrisFromSacramento At?

I hope Heyward will do a interview where he dedicates his comeback season to him…Too Bad Buster Poser is gonna win comeback POY

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

phil,
I actually understand where “unbelivable” is coming from. Trout has benefitted his team, there’s no doubt. I just think getting your team to the playoffs carries more weight. But I respect his opinion.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

I wish gas was $3.55 a gallon up here – it’s closer to $3.95.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

So we’re allowed to celebrate this Triple Crown if Miguel Cabrera wins it. And anybody who refuses to celebrate it, based on some sort of condescending principle, has lost touch with a part of baseball that separates it from every other sport on earth.”
–Jason Stark

yeah, efrim. ;-)

but in all honesty, even if you dont think miggy should win MVP, if you cant get exited about a guy winning the triple crown, and acknowledge what a big deal that is, your the tin man of baseball fans. no heart, totally missing the importance of history and milestones in this game. i can only assume that many of chipper’s accolades this season have been lost on you to, this season.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:36 am

“Look at their numbers in September….Miggy was unreal, Trout was average….

Yeah take them both of their respective teams and neither is all that much to talk about, but w/ or w/o Trout, they STILL don’t make the playoffs…”

I think this is the part that gets lost in all the statical evaluation. Winning is what matters and winning down the stretch and making the playoffs matters even that much more. When discussing VALUE, making the playoffs is of HUGE importance. There is a TON of VALUE in making the playoffs.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 am

Yeah, I didn’t realize it, but we have some of the lowest prices in the country. that and SC.

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
10:37 am

Will all of that said, I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown. Its an amazing accomplishment.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Frankie

“I think the offense will be more of a issue in the following series against the Nats or Reds. We somehow scratch and claw to a victory Friday night. Gets further exposed starting the following series.”

This The Same Offense That Got Swept in 4 games at The Great American Smallpark earlier this season…The Only hitting was done by Bourn who hit 3 solo homers and has been trying to hit Like Willie Mays Hayes Since Then….

You heard it here first!

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Yeah – no doubt about it that RBI are meaningless, but I sure as hell wish we had three or four players with 90 or more.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

“Nah, Frankie, Heyward is too young and inexperienced to step it up….”

Might be right there. Looks good one ab, like a rookie the next. When the hell has anybody been locked in with this lineup? McCann back in July.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:38 am

Lew . . . FTW!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 am

“MVP awards should go to the best all-around player, correct?”

Sure. But what weights you and I give to hitting/base-running/position on the field/defense/making the playoffs is absolutely subjective.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:39 am

unbelievable

“Will all of that said, I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown. Its an amazing accomplishment.”

Co-Sign. I have nvr seen it in 22 years of watching, I thought Pujols would get it first but he played 2/3’s of his career in the roid era

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 am

Miguel’s doing everything… he hits lefties and righties equally, got better his 2nd half, good numbers on the road, and hit over .300 in every month but April. Minimum of 20 RBIs per month.

Trout has been average against lefties, hit worse in his 2nd half, and gotten worse each month from July.

Who’s in the playoffs?

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:40 am

He believes Trout deserves the MVP. He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

I’m in the camp of thinking “Triple Crown = MVP” is crazy. So I agree there.

I mean, what does Stark expect? The biggest reason why Miguel Cabrera is winning the MVP is because of those stats, right? SLG % too.

Of course people are going to lean towards dimnishing the award when they get into a heated debate about it. That’s human nature to try and diminish the support points that the other camp is using. Like folks attacking a support point in WAR.

For me, I see OPS+ and great defense from Trout. +/- from the position of CF and I can’t get past that. And knowing that Cabrera is a really bad defender at 3rd base. If he was better than he is, I think I’d have it so much closer than it is. So much closer.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

T-Hawkin-

Yeah, I mean I flew down for the final home series and I left scratching my head even more….

Granted we were in position to win all 3 games, but Friday proved that it took 1 bad pitch to beat us — because we couldn’t score runs….Saturday was a close call down to the last pitch —- because we couldn’t score runs….and Sunday was made on the back of David Ross….

In fact, the only impressive players all weekend were Ross, Prado, and Uggla…..

AND WE PLAYED THE METS!

The Cardinals are NOT the Mets….they have more talent 1-8 in the lineup and they will keep coming….

The Braves need to go into Friday and not “hope” but expect that they need to score 4 runs or more to win this game!

They won the games against St. Louis with totals of 9, 7, 7, 5, and 10 for an average of 7.6 runs per game in wins v the Cardinals…..BUT they also gave up 5.3 runs per game spanning all 6….so to expect to shut down the Cardinals would be stupid of them….

Gotta score runs and have crooked innings to beat the Cardinals….plain and simple!

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

Oh man I felt so much better about this game 10 days ago. Still no excuse for losing and blaming the playin game. At home, raucous crowd take a page from Medinah this past weekend…… uggh scratch that.

George_George

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

I just don’t see much hope for Fridays game. MEDLEN is very good, but will we hit? When will FREDI pull him out of game? What other moves will FREDI make? Also MEDS streak has to end sometime, after all MEDS BRAVES are not as good as WHITEYS 1950s YANKEES.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:41 am

We live in Charlotte.

Our family motto is: “Buy gas any time you are in South Carolina.”

T-hawkin – I always wanted to see someone run into that flag pole. It’s deep out there, though, reducing the odds substantially.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

“I hope I get to witness Miguel Cabrera win the triple crown.”

He already has won it. Look at the numbers. Not possible to catch him unless Hamilton has a two homer game and Cabrera doesn’t hit one.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

Hey, the newly engaged PTown is on… congrats!

Give the MVP to Cabrera, the ROY to Trout, and leave it at that. Both get awards, everyone is happy.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:42 am

No reason to feel hopeless about Friday. It’s a one games, that’s it.

We have at least a 50% chance of winning.

That said, if the Cards score in the top of the 1st . . .

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

efrim If someone had 200 RBI or some high number in a season, I would probably think that’s pretty cool

i think 1 RBI is cool. i just like them, cant help it. i enjoy them on an individual basis. i dont wait till a guy gets 100, or whatever.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

He already has won it. Look at the numbers. Not possible to catch him

Trent McCotter ‏@trentmccotter
If Miggy sits, he loses batting title only if Trout goes 6-for-6 or Mauer goes 9-for-9. Hamilton’s game will likely be done before DET plays

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

“Our family motto is: “Buy gas any time you are in South Carolina.”

I echo this, living in the mountains of NC gas is pushing 3.85 a gallon, usually runs 40 cents cheaper in the Upstate of SC.

Hillbilly

October 3rd, 2012
10:43 am

He just thinks it is absurd that people have to diminish the triple crown achievement when arguing for Trout.

This is exactly what irks me about the whole debate. It’s the scorned ex-wife factor.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

How about this. If Trout can somehow over take Cabrera for the Batting Average Title, we give the MVP to him. If not Cabrera gets it. It adds drama. MLB should make it a rule. ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

Angels could have used an MVP performance from Trout last month…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

UKUGA,
Yeah, I think NC passed a gas tax hike this year or something. I live about a half mile from the state line, and when you cross from VA to NC, gas goes up about 10cents. I don’t know how any of those stations on the NC side stay in business.

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

Stark is simply saying to a wider audience what some here have long said: self-appointed enlightened minds and barbarian dinosaurs are both full of bleep.

Shaun more than most, of course, but that’s for another discussion.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:44 am

i can only assume that many of chipper’s accolades this season have been lost on you to, this season.

No. I just don’t look at a third of the accolades that makes up the award, therefore it’s tough for me to love the thing.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

@P-Town

The Cardinals are NOT the Mets….they have more talent 1-8 in the lineup and they will keep coming….

Thats what scares me…They Came back twice in the WS last year from big deficits…The Braves would’ve mailed it in…The Cards offense is the Truth even w/o Phat Albert…They execute and do the little things to win games

Plus We Still remember Carlos Blowtran Killing us with houston

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

There is no mathmatical formula that will ever do away with subjectivity in baseball evaluation. There just isn’t – but I bet they’ll keep trying to invent one, anyway.

Now I realize exactly why some believe that RBI have no meaning in player evaluation and see there is some reason to this, but one thing has always made me scratch my head – if RBI are so meaningless, then why is hitting with RISP such a vaunted skill?

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:46 am

“i think 1 RBI is cool. i just like them, cant help it. i enjoy them on an individual basis.”

Yep. And in the playoffs 1 RBI is REALLY COOL. And 1 HR is REALLY REALLY COOL! :)

“Hamilton’s game will likely be done before DET plays”

But he is probably going to hit at least one homer today you can count on that. HUGE game for the Rangers today.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
10:48 am

“if RBI are so meaningless, then why is hitting with RISP such a vaunted skill?”

And why is the best hitter in the game leading the league in RBIs. ;) They are important and they will be more than ever on Friday.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

Murph-

Thanks! Yeah, made for a great few days….now back to work and reality….and when I got here, my office was moved….great thing to come back to :lol:

T-Hawkin-

Yep…thats exactly what I am getting at….if the Braves think that they can fall behind early when the Cards score so many 1st and 2nd inning runs, they are crazy….

They need to come ready to play in the FIRST inning on offense and not the FIFTH like they usually do….and they need to jump out and get the large crowd involved…the crowd will want to be loud….give them a reason to be!

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

This is exactly what irks me about the whole debate. It’s the scorned ex-wife factor.

Each case is different, but it’s human nature to hear a support point in an arguement and to try and bash it to death. This has been a heated debate between serious baseball fans – so I don’t think it’s a shocker that we got to that point.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
10:50 am

Centerfield defense is so important… therefore Bourn is our MVP and it will be because of his defense we win on Friday. RBIs are so useless…

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
10:51 am

usnavy and ncbravesfan,

my understanding is that NC’s gas taxes are 22 cents higher than SC. I don’t know how much more they are than Virginia’s.

However, I have noticed that the first exit on I85 in Virginia, has really expensive gas. It’s almost as if they are trying to catch the suckers who think gas will be cheaper in VA than NC, so they wait to cross the state line and end up getting hammered.

Thankfully, I do most of my work in SC, and it’s never out of the way to purchase gas down there.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
10:52 am

Bourn is our MVP? Total BS – Prado is and has been all year long.

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