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phil
October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
Has Teheran been bombed yet?
Ted M
October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
Does anyone know if the A’s / Rangers game is on the radio. Regular radio.
Shaun
October 3rd, 2012
1:31 pm
WAR does not necessarily equal value. Especially when all of it is defensive relative value. Martin Prado is the Braves MVP.
There are plenty of ways to determine value. WAR is one way that can help you. There are others.
Prado is a fine choice, as is Bourn, as is Heyward. Not much distinguishes those three players, with any sort of serious attempt to determine player value. Now I can speak to the attempts that aren’t serious or the attempts to assume one player is most valuable then working backwards in an attempt to prove that he is. The appropriate way is to probably be open to any possibility and to accept wherever the determination of player values takes you, no matter what your biases say about who should be MVP.
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:33 pm
Does anyone think stealing bases in a meaningless game is A LITTLE dangerous!?!
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
1:33 pm
The vast majority of playoff and World Series games Maddux and Glavine lost was due to being hung out to dry by the Braves non-offense.
DS1
October 3rd, 2012
1:34 pm
Kris Medlen, Mike Minor, Tim Hudson, Paul Maholm and then Hanson. Teheran and Delgado close to being ready. A couple of other guys that might be a year away.
And let’s not forget about our mid season “acquisition” in Brandon Beachy.
Guys, I could be wrong, but I really don’t see starting pitching being a big priority for FW this winter. My guess is he’s more worried about replacing Jones’ and Bourns’ bats and Michael’s defense.
Just my guess.
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
1:34 pm
The site is acting very slow the last week or so.
chipontheroad
October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm
I tried to post a mute point joke but the server ate it so it is now moot
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm
Uggla, my son!!! To right-center. The offense is fixed
Capt.Mudd
October 3rd, 2012
1:35 pm
@Ted M………………..I predict Teddy M will be elected Senator from Massachusetts.
phil
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
Shaun, you’re an idiot…
Epinephrine
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
Nice to see Jason start to heat up…looked good for a few games now…
veer
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
Offense is producing for sure. I think we are ready to score some runs vs Cardinals.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
I’d still start Ross for the play-in, but it’s nice to see BMac getting a few hits.
tony austin
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
The outcome of this game might be meaningless, but the confidence that may result from the stolen bases and base hits are not.
DS1
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
Nice to see some of these guys get a few hits today.
(Efrim, it’s incredibly slow on refreshing for me too!)
ncbravesfan90
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
“Does anyone know if the A’s / Rangers game is on the radio. Regular radio.”
I don’t know about that but I do know that it will be on TV on the MLB Network.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
Phil,
I think 2002. Against who, I don’t remember without researching it.
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
phil
“Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate on Friday?
Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.”
OW!
Its Good to see us getting a Rally Going! Hopefully it carries over into Friday
Soon as I type this we hit into the 4-6-3 DP, SMH
veer
October 3rd, 2012
1:36 pm
FRANSISCO SHOULD BE LEFT OF THE ROSTER. GUY IS PATEHTIC.
jmac83
October 3rd, 2012
1:37 pm
I’m taking my family, including two school-age kids, to Friday’s game. Would MLB really delay announcing a start time for Braves until Thursday, if Orioles end up having to play a tiebreaker with the Yankees?
tony austin
October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm
That dude has absolutely no plate disciple. Burnett is in trouble no Francisco, make Burnett work there.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm
That was Juan nice at-bat with RISP
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm
Prado finishes with a .301/.359/.438 line for the 2012 season. Solid bounceback offensive season for Prado. Great defense and versatility. Hoping he is one of the first to be locked up this winter.
Sopheee
October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm
Nice to see Mac with a couple of hits today.
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:38 pm
“Prado is a fine choice, as is Bourn, as is Heyward.”
Yep, it is an opinion based on various stats and weights. Same thing with Trout and Cabrera.
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
1:39 pm
1914 World Series?
P-Town Brave ©
October 3rd, 2012
1:40 pm
Can anyone tell me the last time Francisco got a hit?
Was it the walk-off dribbler through the left side?!
I for the life of me can’t recall such a bad group of bench players….and that is considering we traded for the best PH-er in the game today in Reed Johnson….
veer
October 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm
Fransisco has no duty in being part of Friday game vs Cardinals. This guy is worthless. He will end the rally. I would take Hinske and Overbay over Fransisco
tony austin
October 3rd, 2012
1:41 pm
Are my recollections correct, has it been 20 years since the Braves won an elimination game – 1992 vs the Pirates, Sid Slid?
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
2 hits for Mac? OK, I’m back to favoring Mac for starting Friday.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
tony…
um…no. Not even close.
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
“I would take Hinske and Overbay over Fransisco”
Incorrect.
phil
October 3rd, 2012
1:43 pm
Mac has a couple of hits?
ok.
Play the guy Friday.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:44 pm
No matter who catches, they need to hit 8th on Friday
Venice Jim
October 3rd, 2012
1:44 pm
Can anyone tell me the last time Francisco got a hit?
He doubled yesterday…
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:45 pm
“Mac has a couple of hits?”
Yes, a total of 200 ft worth of hits, but 2 hits indeed. But sure I’m game with playing him now. At least he has now felt first base under his feet again.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:46 pm
Francisco doubled yesterday, before that, his last hit was on September 6th… of course, he hasn’t had many ABs, so… (21 since Sept 1)
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:46 pm
Wow McCutch got picked off and they didn’t call it.
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Teheran breaking out the slider. Nice to see.
veer
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Teheran doesn’t impress me. He should be traded.
chipontheroad
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
What is Julio’s velocity ? TIA
DAP
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.
youve never won one, and never will.
this braves has never played in such a game. this is not 2010.
Venice Jim
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Nicely done!
ncbravesfan90
October 3rd, 2012
1:47 pm
Teheran picked off McCutchen twice that inning…
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Nice pickoff move.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Teheran with the quick feet…
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Nice Pickoff! Good Call Don!
Powder Blue
October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
Good to see the offense firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs.
ncbravesfan90
October 3rd, 2012
1:48 pm
“What is Julio’s velocity ?”
Been 91-93 today, lots of 91 and 92’s on the radar gun.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
Mac also had what, a 4-5 in NY…. has hit .186 since then. He’s not fixed by any means. Can’t decide to start him now based on 1 game. Still is nice to see him hitting, hope it continues.
Mixxo
October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
I like Simba’s bat. Guy has a nice level stroke.
chipontheroad
October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
Thank you ncbravesfan90
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:50 pm
veer
“Fransisco has no duty in being part of Friday game vs Cardinals. This guy is worthless. ”
Are You serious? The Dude was Brought in to Platoon…Because of him that Posse at 3rd is amongst the best in the league in overall production, and he takes no chunks out of the payroll
Lay off The Road-Runner
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Powder Blue
“Good to see the offense firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs.”
I wouldn’t say all that, but so far they look a lot better today than they did the last 2 nights, Is it the Bench effect?
Mixxo
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Not seeing much from Baker OTOH.
Shaun
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Shaun, you’re an idiot…
When you start hurling insults and can’t build a case rationally and respectfully, you’ve lost the debate.
Yep, it is an opinion based on various stats and weights. Same thing with Trout and Cabrera.
Sorry. I firmly disagree that “value” is subjective or an opinion. If that were the case, I could argue Jeff Francoeur as the AL MVP. I could point to things like his apparently excellent work ethic, the fact that he seems like a nice guy, etc. as reasons he is the most valuable player. Or I could argue Yunel Escobar is the MVP because I like the way he plays. Perhaps that’s why the MVP choice is often a joke, because the voters actually view it this way, as subjective or as an opinion.
This doesn’t mean most valuable is always clear-cut and there are no serious debates to be had in many cases. In the NL this season, for example, there are a number of fine candidates and a serious debate to be had. But “value” has an objective definition.
Chop
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
Hey Chipper!!
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
All this stealing worries me, guys are going to hurt themselves.
phil
October 3rd, 2012
1:52 pm
We beat St louis in game 7 of the 96 NLCS…..
It’s been ages.
Powder Blue
October 3rd, 2012
1:53 pm
Tomahawkin’,
I was being sarcastic.
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
Last win in a playoff elimination game?
Had to be around the turn of the century.
The 20th century.
Capt.Mudd
October 3rd, 2012
1:54 pm
It’s been hard enough to get Braves on base as things are–and when we do, you can’t get picked off, just plain stupid Andrelton.
Shaun
October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Prado finishes with a .301/.359/.438 line for the 2012 season. Solid bounceback offensive season for Prado. Great defense and versatility. Hoping he is one of the first to be locked up this winter.
Can you imagine the value he would have as a full-time thirdbaseman? Even if he takes some steps back, he would still have a lot of value there. Replacement level at thirdbase right now is low.
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Wow
This Game might be over by the Time I have to go Play In Atlanta Traffic…
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
1:55 pm
Who is Jeff Baker?
Why is Jeff Baker?
Powder Blue
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
This team needs a good right-handed bat for next season in a bad way.
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
“This doesn’t mean most valuable is always clear-cut”
Exactly, that is why if Trout or Cabrera wins it would be acceptable. To act as though it is an obvious choice is absurd. All depends on the weighting of various factors. You seem to think making the playoffs isn’t important, others might think it is. You seem to think leading your team down the stretch isn’t important, others might.
But it is hard to be the MVP when you haven’t added the value of making the playoffs to your MVP resume.
TennesseePaul
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
If that were the case, I could argue Jeff Francoeur as the AL MVP.
You can. You’d just be in the minority.
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
Powder Blue
“Tomahawkin’,
I was being sarcastic.”
Oh Ok…If thats the case, Them Im With ya. This offense scares the Holy Hell out of Me for Fridays game
Powder Blue
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
is Cabrera still leading in BA, HR & RBI?
raleighbravefan
October 3rd, 2012
1:56 pm
Shaun – MV(valuable)P – For Braves – Prado…PRADO…Your Damn WAR does not measure the value of a guy who can play almost any position they ask him to, and well. Bunches of games at 3B, and LF, Several at 2B and SS, at least 1 at 1B. 4 errors all year. You cannot quantify that, but it’s DAMNED valuable to be able to do that, especially with a weak bench. Gives the team incredible versitility.
Guy has an A+++ attitude…the ULTIMATE team guy…Cannot be quantified, but DAMNED valuable.
301/.359/.429 SOLID. Most multi-hit games in the league this year. SOLID. DAMNED valuable.
My humble opinion is…Bourn, excellent year all around…Heyward, great comeback, excellent year, Chipper Jones, team leader…Prado? MVP…and not close.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Phil,
We beat the Mets in ‘99 on a bases-loaded walk. But I still think we won the DS in ‘02, and then lost to the Giants in the CS.
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
1:58 pm
Mixxo
“Not seeing much from Baker OTOH.”
He’s another Jack Wilson at the Dish…I’m not expecting much unlike Wilson whom I was amped when we got him thinking he would be the 200 hit guy he was with Pittsburgh Ages Ago
P-Town Brave ©
October 3rd, 2012
1:59 pm
VJ-
Yeah, that was way beyond the time I flipped the game off yesterday….
T-Hawkin-
No, but he takes a chunk out of the food budget
Fin-
Not a fan of any of our LHH, but Overbay has some success against Lohse so I would keep him around
Fols
October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
I tried clicking on Baker to find out who he is….all I got was a page not found error.
DAP
October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
shaun Perhaps that’s why the MVP choice is often a joke, because the voters actually view it this way, as subjective or as an opinion.
like it or not, it IS subjective. you saying that value is not subjective doesnt make it so. it certainly is.
phil
October 3rd, 2012
2:00 pm
Shaun, you’re an idiot.
I already built my case earlier today.
That is all.
P-Town Brave ©
October 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
If it were up to me, I’d have had Delgado in games in Sept and pitching out of the pen so we could use him come playoff time…
He has the stuff to miss bats out of the pen….
MFin04
October 3rd, 2012
2:02 pm
“Not a fan of any of our LHH”
Exactly. I don’t think any one of the guys SCREAMS pick me. I could see value in any of them. Hinske has done it before in the playoffs, tons of experience, Juan has the power…
Murph
October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
And Delgado strikes out the side… man, I hope that kid doesn’t get traded.
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
Delgado strikes out the side.
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
We’re winning.
Oh, and it’s a shutout.
It’s weird how those two things seem to go hand in hand sometimes.
Venice Jim
October 3rd, 2012
2:04 pm
Breaking news from DC:
Adam Kilgore @AdamKilgoreWP
Teddy wins the President’s Race.
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm
Hard to imagine both Teheran and Delgado with the organization next year.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm
My mistake, phil.
ATL beat Houston in 2001 in the DS, then lost to AZ in the CS.
nolie
October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm
Me, I was on Trout’s til he had an average Sept (for him), Miggy went crazy in Sept….AND carried his team to the playoffs….THAT put it over the top for me….P-Town
me too
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
October 3rd, 2012
2:05 pm
“Everybody Clap Yo Hands!”
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP”
Efrim
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Last regular season at bat for Chipper Jones. Sad.
Venice Jim
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
CJ!!!
David O'Brien
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
1st-pitch single for pinch-hitting Chipper
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Chipper’s ready for the playoffs. He’s fresh.
raleighbravefan
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Shaun – You aren’t always right, no matter how many times you say it…or even how you say it. Of course, you ARE always arrogant and condescending about it.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
2:06 pm
Yea, Chipper!
usnavyvolfaninva
October 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm
Start Chipper Friday.
Mitchell
October 3rd, 2012
2:07 pm
Not all the time.
But sometimes.
It’s weird.
phil
October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm
Awesome!
Chipper retires with a hit! As it should be….
And Sheets goes out on top as well…
chipontheroad
October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm
Glad Kat got to see Hoss get that hit
phil
October 3rd, 2012
2:08 pm
Was the 2001 win over Houston in game 5?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 3rd, 2012
2:09 pm
Another grounder from Heyward… he reaches, but still, it’s not encouraging to see grounders.