Braves shift focus to Friday’s Wild Card game

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Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Nice start, Ben!

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Stolen base for Bourn, his 41st. Then he steals 3rd. That’s 42 steals, leaving him one off the NL lead.

Prado sac fly makes it 1-0, a run on Bourn’s speed.

A.J. Burnett is the only NL pitcher who’s allowed more steals this season than Hanson

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Sheets isn’t holding anything back for his final start. Pretty fresh to see him hit the mid 90s

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

I don’t believe that is currently true.

But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?

Venice Jim

October 3rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Mixxo and I thinking alike, as always…

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:49 pm

95 on the gun….

I wish I had “nothing left” and sat at 95…..

There’s something nice and special about a guy going out like Sheets is and letting it all hang out here….

I wish him well….

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:49 pm

Georgia receiver Bennett injured, out for season

that is bad news he was ballin

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players:

Player A: .324/.397/.561, 49 steals, 4 caught stealing, Gold Glove caliber centerfielder, 635 PA

Player B: .331/.394/.608, 4 steals, 1 caught stealing, poor defense at third base, 695 PA

Throw out all the other stuff. Which player would you pick first if you just have this one season, you could have your pick of absolutely any player, and if you had known beforehand what they were going to do this season? That’s the MVP. You aren’t taking the second, or fifth or 20th-most valuable player first in such a scenario.

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Ben Sheets 93-95 MPH on his fastball early on, hitting 95 several times. Strikes out McCutchen on a 95 mph heater.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Why is he retiring again? 95!!! 2 Ks!

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Ben is bringin’ it.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

What part of Mac is hurt and hasn’t hit a lick all season do we not seem to grasp?

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

Braves shift focus on Friday’s wild card game.

We choked on our division chase so let us now “Shift Focus.”

Master strategists, those Braves.

In your face, Patton!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:50 pm

“But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?”

Sure. He’s gotta show something of his old self to warrant the start. If not he isn’t ready.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

OK, changed my mind….Bourn for Braves MVP. :-)

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

Wish Ben would give it a go next year till Beachy gets close

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

A win today would be nice. Like I’ve said, gets us to 360 wins over the last four seasons. Great turnaround for the organization after an awful three years.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
12:52 pm

Out running a errand listening to Jim Powell on the radio about Heyward. Saying after having a “solid year and something to build on” expects next year to elevate to .500 slugging and .370 OBP.

Right on both accounts hopefully and especially evaluating this season. Guy has had a solid season and thats great. MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Dang, now I’m getting all misty.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

“If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players”

Player B, clearly more valuable.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Ben Sheets is high fiving everyone and exchanging hugs in the #Braves dugout. Wonder if that’s all. No activity in bullpen yet

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Brian -

I don’t think 2 ABs today is going to change how 90% of the Braves fan base feels about Brian’s shoulder….

He just doesn’t have the strength

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
12:53 pm

Wow what a way to go out Mr. Ben Sheets! Those starts by Sheets were huge for the Braves. Thank you Ben Sheets, what a class act!

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac make it to first yet?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac w/ a hit. Start him Friday……

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Maybe his kids will talk him into coming back part time….

who knows….

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

A.J. Burnett is the only NL pitcher who’s allowed more steals this season than Hanson

Well, if he got traded, so can Hanson…

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

mac! Throw that ball back to the dugout!

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

Its In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!

I hope you plan on Bring your Keyster To Fridays Game?

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:55 pm

P-Town, I don’t mind someone saying they would start Ross. That’s understandable. What’s baffling to me is MFin04 saying he’d start Ross, unless Mac “showed pop” in 2 at-bats today.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Braves need to get Sheets to promise to come back to us if he decides he wants to play some next year.

But then again, his shoulder might just fall off in another day or so.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

The Angels will make significant changes to their roster following a season that included many positive developments before ending in disappointment, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times reports. The team enters the offseason with a number of top priorities: re-signing free agents Zack Greinke and Torii Hunter, adding at least one more starting pitcher, improving the bullpen and trading Vernon Wells.

The Angels will likely let Dan Haren, Ervin Santana, LaTroy Hawkins, Jason Isringhausen and Maicer Izturis go, DiGiovanna reports. Haren has said he’d consider returning for less than the value of his $15.5MM option. Santana recently suggested he’s prepared for a change if the Angels decline his 2013 option, as expected.

I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Hanson for Burnett.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:56 pm

The In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:57 pm

Didn’t Jason Isringhausen announce his retirement a week ago anyway?

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:57 pm

I love the “throw out all the other stuff” comment….

I see spinning it to your advantage again :twisted:

First off, it would depend on WHERE you needed a player and what spot in an order is needed as well…

Just like Trout would never bat cleanup, Miggy will never bat leadoff….

Your argument is pointless really….everyone knew from Day 1 of the conversation what side of the fence you were on….

Me, I was on Trout’s til he had an average Sept (for him), Miggy went crazy in Sept….AND carried his team to the playoffs….THAT put it over the top for me.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:54 pm

Mac make it to first yet?
************
lol…..

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Way to go Brian.

Dum-Bass

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

Veer

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

The Ball had to go to inside the dugout for Mac to advance to 3rd. HAHAHA

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

and trading Vernon Wells.

2 years, $42M left on his contract after this season.

Good luck with that.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Great for Ben Sheets, so proud of him, really glad we got to experience the end with him. :)

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Brian-

Agreed….now is not the time nor the situation to state that its all up to how a guy does today as to whether he plays Friday….

The only things I would be looking at as a manager are pen and bench guys that are on the fence….

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm

Mac on the basepaths…..

oh no.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:00 pm

What the …

unbelievable

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

You werent around for the 80’s I guess

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Simo still would have been out at first but B Mac can’t catch many breaks this season.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Yep, precisely why I said Ross is a better overall player than McCann and included base running. Wow Brian.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:01 pm

MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.

It’s close. Bourn, Prado and Heyward are the three guys that stand out. Only Chipper has been better than Heyward at the plate this season, per PA. And Heyward is an outstanding baserunner and defensive player.

I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.

Prado was nearly equal to Heyward at the plate but he played very good defense and got significant playing time at both left and third. So that pushes him into the conversation.

Those three are nearly equal in value and you could make a case for all three as Braves’ MVP, if you think MVP truly has a lot to do with player value.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Dum-Bass

“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”

Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 early and then Got Upset by the Giants

JC Boscan III

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

How many major leaguers retire after fanning an All-Star with 95 MPH heat?! Good job, Ben! …. Now, come on Braves — win the game!!! How about some offense!?!?!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:02 pm

to be fair, any of our catchers would have been tagged out there…

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

“I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.”

Nope. You’re taking Bourn because if you didn’t it would kill your argument for Trout over Cabrera for MVP with WAR.

But Bourn is not the Braves MVP.

DAP

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

efrim I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.

yes, please. c’mon wren.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

Free agent starters worth noting….

Ryan Dempster (36)
Zack Greinke (28)
Dan Haren (32)
Edwin Jackson (29)
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Shaun Marcum (31)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Jake Peavy (31)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Ervin Santana (30)
Joe Saunders (32)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:04 pm

“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”-Dum Bass

Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 weeks early and then Got Upset by the Giants

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

So….to recap:

Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….

Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…

Hmmmmmm…. :mad:

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

to be fair, any of our catchers would have been tagged out there…

But it’s okay when Ross does it.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:05 pm

I hope you plan on Bring your Keyster To Fridays Game?

Why is there a question mark on the end of this sentence?

Not that sentence just now.

That sentence.

T-Hawk, what do you think?

I got my tickets last week. Realized yesterday they were for Game 1 of the division series.

Not to worry, I found two tickets on Stubhub for Friday.

I kind of broke the bank but no big deal.

I’ll get a full refund after the game is over.

Get it?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

Sheets went out w/ style, throwing 94-95 mph fastballs and one at 96 — his last pitch, to strike out McCutchen on 3 pitches.

Struck out two of three batters he faced in 12-pitch inning. Was scheduled to go two, so obviously the shoulder was barking.

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

What did McGlacier do?

Try to score from second on a triple?

ncbravesfan90

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

“Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….

Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…”

Haha interesting point, very valid.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:07 pm

P-Town Brave ©, if we just look at players’ Septembers, we are ignoring how much they contributed in all other months. Trout, on the season as a whole, contributed more to his team. The MVP is for the season as a whole.

First off, it would depend on WHERE you needed a player and what spot in an order is needed as well…

I’m talking about if you were playing to win in the 2012 season, it was just that one season and you knew beforehand exactly what every player was going to do that season. Which player would you pick first? You aren’t concerned with needs at that point. You can start anywhere. Which player would you pick first, if you had a completely blank slate and you knew exactly what every player was going to do? That is the MVP.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

I mean, you have to like what you’ve seen from Avilan as a reliever. Really hope he’s in next years pen.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

however, Mac didn’t really need to run there.

McCarthy is a free agent this year? He’s not really a #1, but I wouldn’t mind having him. Greinke, Haren, McCarthy, Peavy.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:08 pm

Efrim,
I don’t know about the rest of the list, but I’d cross the first one off. He was pretty pretty adamant about not wanting to come to ATL, although maybe it was just because the way the whole thing was handled.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:09 pm

Start Ross Friday.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
1:12 pm

You werent around for the 80’s I guess

You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess. Averaged coming in 5th place for that decade with a .450 winning percentage, no post seasons, no MVPs, averaged 10,000 people a game.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

Freddie Freeman. Negative defensive WAR player. ;)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

4 errors in 156 Games For Martini!

Now Thats a Purdy Stat

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:13 pm

“Life throws you curveballs,” Greenberg said. “Mine threw me a fastball at 92, and it hit me in the back of the head. I got up from it, and my life is great.” – Mike Greenberg.

Great story.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Free agent starters worth noting….

Ryan Dempster

Do or die start for Dempster…. see if he can handle the pressure today.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Efrim…ok so let me pick at that list…

Ryan Dempster (36) — too old
Zack Greinke (28) —- Option A
Dan Haren (32) —- Option B
Edwin Jackson (29) —- inconsistent
Hiroki Kuroda (38) —- WAY too old…and probably 43
Francisco Liriano (29) —- think projects as better reliever in future (closer stuff)
Kyle Lohse (34) —– too old, Boras guy
Shaun Marcum (31) —- too injury prone, peripherals are shaky
Brandon McCarthy (29) —- injury prone., great stuff though when able to pitch
Jake Peavy (31) —- could be solid option if not for medical report (or binder in his case)
Anibal Sanchez (29) — way too inconsistent…good stuff….10 cent head
Ervin Santana (30) —- same as Sanchez above
Joe Saunders (32) —- never really materialized from back end guy

Here’s how I would rank them:
Zack Greinke
Dan Haren
Brandon McCarthy
Jake Peavy
Ervin Santana
Anibal Sanchez
Edwin Jackson
Francisco Liriano
Ryan Dempster
Kyle Lohse
Shaun Marcum
Joe Saunders
Hiroki Kuroda

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Nope. You’re taking Bourn because if you didn’t it would kill your argument for Trout over Cabrera for MVP with WAR.

But Bourn is not the Braves MVP.

I’m taking Bourn because of his overall contributions. No matter whether you use WAR or something else to determine a player’s overall contributions, any serious attempt to determine overall contributions would clearly lead you to Trout a AL MVP and would lead you to either Bourn, Prado or Heyward as Braves’ MVP. Bourn is just as good a candidate as any other.

All I’m trying to do is look at players’ total contributions and go where they lead me to determine MVP, whether it’s AL, NL or team MVP. I’m not starting with something other than value (like Triple Crown or team-in-the-playoffs or something else). With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
1:14 pm

I really like that Player B

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
1:16 pm

You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess

You weren’t around for the 60’s I guess. Having to commute to Milwaukee to go to a game was a pain in the butt.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Here’s how I would rank them:
Zack Greinke
Dan Haren
Brandon McCarthy
Jake Peavy

After those 4, I couldn’t care less about anyone else.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Jason Heyward, a Braves MVP candidate?

What’s the record for second base ground outs in a season?

Forget single season, he has to have already shattered the all time record by now.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:18 pm

Yeah, but imagine being around in the 1890s when the Braves were in Boston. The commute was probably even more painful

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

“With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.”

WAR does not necessarily equal value. Especially when all of it is defensive relative value. Martin Prado is the Braves MVP.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

…and just to be clear, I was NOT around in the 1890s.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

The Braves offense is horrific.

Frankie

October 3rd, 2012
1:19 pm

Kyle Lohse- 212 innings, 34 walks. Guy throws strikes and has had a really good 2 year stretch. I would give him a look this offseason.

Capt.Mudd

October 3rd, 2012
1:20 pm

Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate today?

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm

I wonder if there are gonna be any awards for the 1 game series like MVP of WC series?

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
1:21 pm

Teheran in to pitch the 3rd inning for Braves, after Avilan had 1 K and 1 hit allowed in 2nd inning

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:22 pm

If Teheran goes 1 inning without giving up a run he should start over Hanson next year. ;)

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:23 pm

The Braves offense is Feast or Famine…with a little too much Famine.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

Ted M,
the more important question would be if the Braves (God forbid) lose the play-in game, will they hang a 2012 WC playin banner at Turner Field?

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

For MVP, do all of you start with trying to determine players’ values for the season or do you start with whether certain stats that may or may not do a great job at reflecting value look impressive and assume that the player that put up such gaudy stats was the most valuable?

Just asking how you do it. Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:24 pm

I predict Brian McCann has a good game Friday.

Lee in S GA

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?

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All the games throughout the 70’s and late 80’s were irrelevant after the 1st ten played.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Julio Teheran 3 career MLB jersey #s in only 4 career starts, lol.

#s: 43, 57, 56

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
1:25 pm

There’s our 5th starter next year. Bye bye Hanson!

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:26 pm

They probably will hang that banner but I’m with Clusters on that one…I don’t think they should.

Mitchell

October 3rd, 2012
1:26 pm

There has never been an award for the division series.

Who would give an award for a one-off wild card game?

I mean, really.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:27 pm

“Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.”

Yes, but what weight do you give to speed/defense/offense/making playoffs/setting records/etc is very arbitrary. Not to mention the defensive metrics are a work in process at this point.

Does everyone have to have the same weights for their valuations?

Ted M

October 3rd, 2012
1:28 pm

“There has never been an award for the division series”

oh I didn’t realize that.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
1:29 pm

How about we make everyone earn their day off. As soon as you do something productive offensively you get the day off. Weak infield singles DO NOT count. ;)

phil

October 3rd, 2012
1:29 pm

Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate on Friday?

Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.

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