3:05 pm October 2, 2012, by David O'Brien
October 3rd, 201212:48 pm
Nice start, Ben!
Stolen base for Bourn, his 41st. Then he steals 3rd. That’s 42 steals, leaving him one off the NL lead.
Prado sac fly makes it 1-0, a run on Bourn’s speed.
A.J. Burnett is the only NL pitcher who’s allowed more steals this season than Hanson
Sheets isn’t holding anything back for his final start. Pretty fresh to see him hit the mid 90s
Brian from SC
I don’t believe that is currently true.
But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?
Mixxo and I thinking alike, as always…
P-Town Brave ©
October 3rd, 201212:49 pm
95 on the gun….
I wish I had “nothing left” and sat at 95…..
There’s something nice and special about a guy going out like Sheets is and letting it all hang out here….
I wish him well….
Georgia receiver Bennett injured, out for season
that is bad news he was ballin
October 3rd, 201212:50 pm
If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players:
Player A: .324/.397/.561, 49 steals, 4 caught stealing, Gold Glove caliber centerfielder, 635 PA
Player B: .331/.394/.608, 4 steals, 1 caught stealing, poor defense at third base, 695 PA
Throw out all the other stuff. Which player would you pick first if you just have this one season, you could have your pick of absolutely any player, and if you had known beforehand what they were going to do this season? That’s the MVP. You aren’t taking the second, or fifth or 20th-most valuable player first in such a scenario.
Ben Sheets 93-95 MPH on his fastball early on, hitting 95 several times. Strikes out McCutchen on a 95 mph heater.
Why is he retiring again? 95!!! 2 Ks!
Ben is bringin’ it.
What part of Mac is hurt and hasn’t hit a lick all season do we not seem to grasp?
Braves shift focus on Friday’s wild card game.
We choked on our division chase so let us now “Shift Focus.”
Master strategists, those Braves.
In your face, Patton!
“But you believe it is true if he “shows pop” in 2 at-bats today?”
Sure. He’s gotta show something of his old self to warrant the start. If not he isn’t ready.
October 3rd, 201212:52 pm
OK, changed my mind….Bourn for Braves MVP.
Wish Ben would give it a go next year till Beachy gets close
A win today would be nice. Like I’ve said, gets us to 360 wins over the last four seasons. Great turnaround for the organization after an awful three years.
Out running a errand listening to Jim Powell on the radio about Heyward. Saying after having a “solid year and something to build on” expects next year to elevate to .500 slugging and .370 OBP.
Right on both accounts hopefully and especially evaluating this season. Guy has had a solid season and thats great. MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.
October 3rd, 201212:53 pm
Dang, now I’m getting all misty.
“If I had come to you in March and told you that you could have either one of these players”
Player B, clearly more valuable.
Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin
Ben Sheets is high fiving everyone and exchanging hugs in the #Braves dugout. Wonder if that’s all. No activity in bullpen yet
I don’t think 2 ABs today is going to change how 90% of the Braves fan base feels about Brian’s shoulder….
He just doesn’t have the strength
Wow what a way to go out Mr. Ben Sheets! Those starts by Sheets were huge for the Braves. Thank you Ben Sheets, what a class act!
October 3rd, 201212:54 pm
Mac make it to first yet?
Mac w/ a hit. Start him Friday……
Maybe his kids will talk him into coming back part time….
October 3rd, 201212:55 pm
Well, if he got traded, so can Hanson…
mac! Throw that ball back to the dugout!
Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)
Its In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!
I hope you plan on Bring your Keyster To Fridays Game?
P-Town, I don’t mind someone saying they would start Ross. That’s understandable. What’s baffling to me is MFin04 saying he’d start Ross, unless Mac “showed pop” in 2 at-bats today.
October 3rd, 201212:56 pm
Braves need to get Sheets to promise to come back to us if he decides he wants to play some next year.
But then again, his shoulder might just fall off in another day or so.
The Angels will make significant changes to their roster following a season that included many positive developments before ending in disappointment, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times reports. The team enters the offseason with a number of top priorities: re-signing free agents Zack Greinke and Torii Hunter, adding at least one more starting pitcher, improving the bullpen and trading Vernon Wells.
The Angels will likely let Dan Haren, Ervin Santana, LaTroy Hawkins, Jason Isringhausen and Maicer Izturis go, DiGiovanna reports. Haren has said he’d consider returning for less than the value of his $15.5MM option. Santana recently suggested he’s prepared for a change if the Angels decline his 2013 option, as expected.
I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.
Hanson for Burnett.
The In-game Blogging has begun when Mitchell Joins the Party!
October 3rd, 201212:57 pm
Didn’t Jason Isringhausen announce his retirement a week ago anyway?
I love the “throw out all the other stuff” comment….
I see spinning it to your advantage again
First off, it would depend on WHERE you needed a player and what spot in an order is needed as well…
Just like Trout would never bat cleanup, Miggy will never bat leadoff….
Your argument is pointless really….everyone knew from Day 1 of the conversation what side of the fence you were on….
Me, I was on Trout’s til he had an average Sept (for him), Miggy went crazy in Sept….AND carried his team to the playoffs….THAT put it over the top for me.
October 3rd, 201212:58 pm
October 3rd, 2012
Mac make it to first yet?
Way to go Brian.
October 3rd, 201212:59 pm
Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?
The Ball had to go to inside the dugout for Mac to advance to 3rd. HAHAHA
and trading Vernon Wells.
2 years, $42M left on his contract after this season.
Good luck with that.
Great for Ben Sheets, so proud of him, really glad we got to experience the end with him.
Agreed….now is not the time nor the situation to state that its all up to how a guy does today as to whether he plays Friday….
The only things I would be looking at as a manager are pen and bench guys that are on the fence….
October 3rd, 20121:00 pm
Mac on the basepaths…..
What the …
October 3rd, 20121:01 pm
You werent around for the 80’s I guess
Simo still would have been out at first but B Mac can’t catch many breaks this season.
Yep, precisely why I said Ross is a better overall player than McCann and included base running. Wow Brian.
MVP for this team this season??? Not even close.
It’s close. Bourn, Prado and Heyward are the three guys that stand out. Only Chipper has been better than Heyward at the plate this season, per PA. And Heyward is an outstanding baserunner and defensive player.
I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.
Prado was nearly equal to Heyward at the plate but he played very good defense and got significant playing time at both left and third. So that pushes him into the conversation.
Those three are nearly equal in value and you could make a case for all three as Braves’ MVP, if you think MVP truly has a lot to do with player value.
October 3rd, 20121:02 pm
“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”
Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 early and then Got Upset by the Giants
JC Boscan III
How many major leaguers retire after fanning an All-Star with 95 MPH heat?! Good job, Ben! …. Now, come on Braves — win the game!!! How about some offense!?!?!
to be fair, any of our catchers would have been tagged out there…
October 3rd, 20121:04 pm
“I would still take Bourn as team MVP because he was one of the best defensive players in the game this season, at a premium position, his baserunning was great and he wasn’t too shabby at the plate.”
Nope. You’re taking Bourn because if you didn’t it would kill your argument for Trout over Cabrera for MVP with WAR.
But Bourn is not the Braves MVP.
efrim I hope the Braves have interest in Haren, if the price is right.
yes, please. c’mon wren.
Free agent starters worth noting….
Ryan Dempster (36)
Zack Greinke (28)
Dan Haren (32)
Edwin Jackson (29)
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Shaun Marcum (31)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Jake Peavy (31)
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Ervin Santana (30)
Joe Saunders (32)
“Have the Braves ever played a more irrelevant game than today?”-Dum Bass
Its Been Years…I’m guessing 2002 when we clinched the Division 2-3 weeks early and then Got Upset by the Giants
October 3rd, 20121:05 pm
Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….
Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…
But it’s okay when Ross does it.
Why is there a question mark on the end of this sentence?
Not that sentence just now.
T-Hawk, what do you think?
I got my tickets last week. Realized yesterday they were for Game 1 of the division series.
Not to worry, I found two tickets on Stubhub for Friday.
I kind of broke the bank but no big deal.
I’ll get a full refund after the game is over.
October 3rd, 20121:07 pm
Sheets went out w/ style, throwing 94-95 mph fastballs and one at 96 — his last pitch, to strike out McCutchen on 3 pitches.
Struck out two of three batters he faced in 12-pitch inning. Was scheduled to go two, so obviously the shoulder was barking.
What did McGlacier do?
Try to score from second on a triple?
“Sheets says his arm is shot and he tops out at 96 in the inning….
Tommy Hanson says there is nothing wrong w/ him and he’s perfectly fine, yet was throwing fastballs at 86-87 last night…”
Haha interesting point, very valid.
P-Town Brave ©, if we just look at players’ Septembers, we are ignoring how much they contributed in all other months. Trout, on the season as a whole, contributed more to his team. The MVP is for the season as a whole.
I’m talking about if you were playing to win in the 2012 season, it was just that one season and you knew beforehand exactly what every player was going to do that season. Which player would you pick first? You aren’t concerned with needs at that point. You can start anywhere. Which player would you pick first, if you had a completely blank slate and you knew exactly what every player was going to do? That is the MVP.
October 3rd, 20121:08 pm
I mean, you have to like what you’ve seen from Avilan as a reliever. Really hope he’s in next years pen.
however, Mac didn’t really need to run there.
McCarthy is a free agent this year? He’s not really a #1, but I wouldn’t mind having him. Greinke, Haren, McCarthy, Peavy.
I don’t know about the rest of the list, but I’d cross the first one off. He was pretty pretty adamant about not wanting to come to ATL, although maybe it was just because the way the whole thing was handled.
October 3rd, 20121:09 pm
Start Ross Friday.
October 3rd, 20121:12 pm
You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess. Averaged coming in 5th place for that decade with a .450 winning percentage, no post seasons, no MVPs, averaged 10,000 people a game.
October 3rd, 20121:13 pm
Freddie Freeman. Negative defensive WAR player.
4 errors in 156 Games For Martini!
Now Thats a Purdy Stat
“Life throws you curveballs,” Greenberg said. “Mine threw me a fastball at 92, and it hit me in the back of the head. I got up from it, and my life is great.” – Mike Greenberg.
October 3rd, 20121:14 pm
Do or die start for Dempster…. see if he can handle the pressure today.
Efrim…ok so let me pick at that list…
Ryan Dempster (36) — too old
Zack Greinke (28) —- Option A
Dan Haren (32) —- Option B
Edwin Jackson (29) —- inconsistent
Hiroki Kuroda (38) —- WAY too old…and probably 43
Francisco Liriano (29) —- think projects as better reliever in future (closer stuff)
Kyle Lohse (34) —– too old, Boras guy
Shaun Marcum (31) —- too injury prone, peripherals are shaky
Brandon McCarthy (29) —- injury prone., great stuff though when able to pitch
Jake Peavy (31) —- could be solid option if not for medical report (or binder in his case)
Anibal Sanchez (29) — way too inconsistent…good stuff….10 cent head
Ervin Santana (30) —- same as Sanchez above
Joe Saunders (32) —- never really materialized from back end guy
Here’s how I would rank them:
I’m taking Bourn because of his overall contributions. No matter whether you use WAR or something else to determine a player’s overall contributions, any serious attempt to determine overall contributions would clearly lead you to Trout a AL MVP and would lead you to either Bourn, Prado or Heyward as Braves’ MVP. Bourn is just as good a candidate as any other.
All I’m trying to do is look at players’ total contributions and go where they lead me to determine MVP, whether it’s AL, NL or team MVP. I’m not starting with something other than value (like Triple Crown or team-in-the-playoffs or something else). With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.
I really like that Player B
October 3rd, 20121:16 pm
You weren’t around for the 70’s I guess
You weren’t around for the 60’s I guess. Having to commute to Milwaukee to go to a game was a pain in the butt.
October 3rd, 20121:17 pm
Here’s how I would rank them:
After those 4, I couldn’t care less about anyone else.
Jason Heyward, a Braves MVP candidate?
What’s the record for second base ground outs in a season?
Forget single season, he has to have already shattered the all time record by now.
October 3rd, 20121:18 pm
Yeah, but imagine being around in the 1890s when the Braves were in Boston. The commute was probably even more painful
October 3rd, 20121:19 pm
“With MVP, I’m purely concerned with value.”
WAR does not necessarily equal value. Especially when all of it is defensive relative value. Martin Prado is the Braves MVP.
…and just to be clear, I was NOT around in the 1890s.
The Braves offense is horrific.
Kyle Lohse- 212 innings, 34 walks. Guy throws strikes and has had a really good 2 year stretch. I would give him a look this offseason.
October 3rd, 20121:20 pm
Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate today?
October 3rd, 20121:21 pm
I wonder if there are gonna be any awards for the 1 game series like MVP of WC series?
Teheran in to pitch the 3rd inning for Braves, after Avilan had 1 K and 1 hit allowed in 2nd inning
October 3rd, 20121:22 pm
If Teheran goes 1 inning without giving up a run he should start over Hanson next year.
October 3rd, 20121:23 pm
The Braves offense is Feast or Famine…with a little too much Famine.
October 3rd, 20121:24 pm
the more important question would be if the Braves (God forbid) lose the play-in game, will they hang a 2012 WC playin banner at Turner Field?
For MVP, do all of you start with trying to determine players’ values for the season or do you start with whether certain stats that may or may not do a great job at reflecting value look impressive and assume that the player that put up such gaudy stats was the most valuable?
Just asking how you do it. Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.
I predict Brian McCann has a good game Friday.
Lee in S GA
October 3rd, 20121:25 pm
All the games throughout the 70’s and late 80’s were irrelevant after the 1st ten played.
Julio Teheran 3 career MLB jersey #s in only 4 career starts, lol.
#s: 43, 57, 56
There’s our 5th starter next year. Bye bye Hanson!
October 3rd, 20121:26 pm
They probably will hang that banner but I’m with Clusters on that one…I don’t think they should.
There has never been an award for the division series.
Who would give an award for a one-off wild card game?
I mean, really.
October 3rd, 20121:27 pm
“Because for me the MVP is about value and determining players’ values.”
Yes, but what weight do you give to speed/defense/offense/making playoffs/setting records/etc is very arbitrary. Not to mention the defensive metrics are a work in process at this point.
Does everyone have to have the same weights for their valuations?
October 3rd, 20121:28 pm
“There has never been an award for the division series”
oh I didn’t realize that.
October 3rd, 20121:29 pm
How about we make everyone earn their day off. As soon as you do something productive offensively you get the day off. Weak infield singles DO NOT count.
Why would any sane person think the Braves will excel at the plate on Friday?
Someone name the last playoff elimination game that we won.
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