Braves shift focus to Friday’s Wild Card game

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TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

Id sit Bmac on friday and start Ross.

I might possibly agree. It’s not happening though, so no need to worry about it.

So, with James Shields possibly being off the market, we may have to turn to option #2…

Patrick

October 3rd, 2012
11:43 am

I’m with Joe.
If you win the Triple Crown, that is an unbelievable achievement! Something that’s hardly EVER been done in MLB History. That alone should win him the MVP award. The cherry on top is that his team is going to the playoffs, especially when it looked like they might not a few weeks ago.

Trout is an excellent player. He should win the ROY year award unamimously! But he’s not the MVP. And if he is, it is a very sad day for baseball and it says that sabermetrics have taken over the game.

But, to me, if you make history, the should be rewarded.
Same thing with Kimbrel. He’s the CY Young award winner in my opinion. He has done things that NO CLOSER HAVE EVER ACCOMPLISHED. He’s set MLB records, broke MLB records. Even if I weren’t a Braves fan…if you showed me all of the astonishing stats that Kimbrel has racked up this year, I would vote for him.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:44 am

Adam Kilgore ‏@AdamKilgoreWP
Davey says he’d consider John Lannan for the rotation if they face Atlanta. He’s fared better against the Braves than any other team.

That’d be something to pass on Edwin Jackson and go Detwiler and Lannan in Games 3 and 4.

Mike Berry

October 3rd, 2012
11:45 am

I forsee a lot of gnashing of teeth on the old blog when Cabrera is awarded the AL MVP over Trout.

CB

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

Man, I am pumped up for Friday’s game but the last place in the world I will be is on this blog that day. Karma here will suck you into a blathering idiot.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:46 am

If I were Davey, I would not pitch Edwin Jackson.

haggard

October 3rd, 2012
11:47 am

Tomahawkin (LCS or
BUST)

So did I. And though I don’t expect the Royals to do anything so drastic as to trade him,(and how much value would he have anyway?), I’m wondering how much longer he’ll have a regular job?

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:48 am

That’d be something to pass on Edwin Jackson and go Detwiler and Lannan in Games 3 and 4.

He won’t. That’s just Davey being Davey, for the media.

Besides, Braves sweep in 3. :-) It’ll be like the Hindenburg going down. Rending of garments, sackcloth and ashes, and the like, in DC. It’ll be fun, LOL.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

I can’t believe it’s been 5 years since Miguel Cabrera was traded to the Tigers. He has been in the league for 10 years and is only 29 years old this season… just dominating. But sucks for him, he didn’t post a .800+ OPS every year like Chipper did. ( :

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
11:49 am

TOBF – Option #2 being…Huddy (with ankle clean-up), Medlen, Minor, and best 2 of Maholm, Teheran, Delgado, GilMartin, Graham, and whoever competes in ST….and spending money on LF and CF…boulster bench and BP. Yeah, that’ll work.

TennesseePaul

October 3rd, 2012
11:50 am

Besides, Braves sweep in 3

Dude, you’re totally jinxing it. Would have thought you’d picked up on that after 7+months…

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Braves likely to go with Sheets for 2 inn., then Delgado and Teheran (either order) for 1 apiece, followed by 3-4 relievers who need work

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Dude, you’re totally jinxing it.

Oh, ye of little faith. Don’t be a wuss. :-)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:51 am

Like I said, I won’t be able to do anything but listen to the game on Friday if it’s the early time, as I will be driving down to Philly – guessing it will be at around 5:00pmEST.

My wife is hoping for it to be the late game for obvious reasons. ;)

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:52 am

Late lineup today. First pitch is in 45 minutes.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Would be nice to actually WAIT to WIN Friday before anyone starts speculating on the NLDS….

We do HAVE TO WIN Friday remember…..

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:53 am

Brian-

Lineup has been out for hours….

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Sorry, I missed it, P-Town.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

It’s really hard for me to analyze that NLDS….ya know, when we are hoping the coin comes up Braves.

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

We do HAVE TO WIN Friday remember…..

Ken Caminiti knows you.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:54 am

Normal lineup except Chipper not playing….

Would imagine most guys won’t play the entire game.

Win One For The Chipper

October 3rd, 2012
11:55 am

“Late lineup today. First pitch is in 45 minutes.”

Barring Uggla still hurting, I’m guessing it wil be:

CF Bourn
LF Prado
RF Heyward
3B Jones
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
P Sheets

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

Sweet, I was hoping Teheran would get to pitch an inning or two today.

Go Cards

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

GO CARDINALES! ! ! Viva la Beisbol!

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

Scoots-

I don’t talk to many dead men….. :evil:

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
11:56 am

I’ll be honest though, I’m really glad we didn’t go with Hudson. I just remember Beltran and Holliday reaching base near every time they squared off and that worried me.

Let’s go Meds.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
11:57 am

I found it now. I was away when it was posted and didn’t scroll down far enough.

come on

October 3rd, 2012
11:59 am

hope to god medlen only gives up one run on friday because we can’t score runs. crossing my fingers for a 3 run home run otherwise we lose like 1 to 0 or 2 to 1

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:01 pm

Once again, Chipper is NOT playing….

He may PH but he is not in the lineup

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Medlen has been a whole run better w/ Ross behind the plate this year and about 1 3/4 runs over his career better w/ Rossy behind the dish

This year is pretty interesting too. Medlen has made 12 starts this year. BMac has caught 7 of them, Ross 5.

BMac: 7 starts, 49.1IP, 7 ER, 42K, 5 BB 1.28 ERA

Ross: 5 starts, 34.1IP, 2 ER, 42K, 5 BB 0.53 ERA

No offense to BMac at all, but I’m putting Ross behind the plate for the play-in.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Option #2 being…Huddy (with ankle clean-up), Medlen, Minor, and best 2 of Maholm, Teheran, Delgado, GilMartin, Graham, and whoever competes in ST….

Where’s the top SP???

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Did we get a lineup yet?

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

First day of leave, and it’s Bratwurst for lunch.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

“No offense to BMac at all, but I’m putting Ross behind the plate for the play-in.”

Overall Ross is a better player at this point, but I don’t think the Braves would EVER do it unless McCann got hurt today.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:05 pm

Weaver D’s hit’s hard times.

Lived in Athens 2 years and never went. My fault, I guess.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:07 pm

I believe the official lineup is:

Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Francisco
Simmons

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:08 pm

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves lineup: Bourn cf, Prado lf, Heyward rf, Freeman 1b, Uggla 2b, McCann c, Francisco 3b, Simmons ss, Sheets p

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

OTBF – Oh, you must mean Medlen. :)

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Yeah, better put Ross in there cause that 1.28 ERA with Mac catching really sucks.

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

I don’t think ERA is influenced very much by the catcher. I wouldn’t concern myself with that, especially since it’s 1.28 to 0.53. If it was 5.00 with Mac and 1.00 with Ross, I may see a point.

raleighbravefan

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:09 pm

The Starters in the lineup are only gonna get 2 atbats Per 680TheFan, Braves-Pregame Show

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

Tomahawkn,
the way our guys have been hitting, 2 AB will be 2/3 of the game. LOL.

DawgDad

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

The Braves pre-game announcers just referred to the game “Friday night” multiple times. What do they know we don’t???

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

1.28 ERA vs 0.53 ERA

Well giving up 1-run in a game vs giving up 0-runs in game is a pretty big deal in a play-in game for a struggling offense. ;)

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Thanks folks!

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Same # of Ks from Medlen w/ Ross in 15 fewer innings… that’s something that I really like. It helps to miss bats in the playoffs. 5 fewer earned runs is something for 15 innings, but it’s not all that great.

I’m not saying that BMac would be horrible back there, but Ross has had some good success with him. Neither catcher is really hitting, and Ross is a better defender… it can’t hurt.

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Well giving up 1-run in a game vs giving up 0-runs in game is a pretty big deal in a play-in game for a struggling offense.

It has been for this club.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I can hear it now…Fire FG if we lose Friday, b/c McCann was catching instead of Ross, and we lost 1-0.

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

I can’t say I’ve ever seen one man be asked the same question over and over and over like DOB has about what time the game starts on Friday. I feel bad for him, but it’s sort of comical too.

Someone please tweet him this question:

Does Scott Thorman have any options left?

:)

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:14 pm

“I don’t think ERA is influenced very much by the catcher.”

It doesn’t have to be, one run makes all the difference in the world. When you have a better defensive catcher that might be 1-run that he saves. Now if McCann was a threat to offset that with his bat, then maybe you take the chance defensively with McCann, but unless I see some pop today from McCann, I’d go with Ross.

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:15 pm

What time is the games scheduled Friday?

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

MFin04, so if McCann goes 1-2 with a homer today, you start him? What if he hits a double? What if he hits a fly ball to the warning track, but strikes out his other trip to the plate? What if he goes 2-2, both being bloop hits? What he gets hit by a pitch and walks?

You realize how silly it is to base your starter in a playoff game based on 2 at-bats?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:17 pm

Also, Braves went 11-4 with Ross in September/Oct.;10-7 with Mac. May not mean much, but…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Arrgh…stupid grills and their “hot spots”

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

I like the way Joe Simpson put it the other night concerning the AL MVP. Would Detroit have made the playoffs without Cabrera’s #s this season? NO. Did Trout’s #s help the Angels make the playoffs this season? NO. Enough said. Trout…you had an amazing season…but Cabrera is the MVP.

Detroit wouldn’t have made the playoffs without Verlander and lots of other players, as well. Baseball is a team game. MVP is an individual award. The award should go to the individual player that did the most to help and increase his team’s chances of winning. It’s not that one player’s fault if his teammates weren’t good enough.

Yep. Trout faltered down the stretch. Cabrera didn’t. Thus Trout loses MVP. One guy led his team to the playoffs, one didn’t.

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Again, MVP is an individual award. If a guy did everything in his power to help and increase his team’s chances more so than any other player but his teammates weren’t good enough, he’s still the most valuable player. So it’s irrelevant whether Trout’s team or Cabrera’s team made the playoffs.

Trout will finish ahead of Cabrera in avoiding outs and gaining bases. Trout was the better baserunner. Trout is the better defensive player.

If we are just bringing up Triple Crown stats and whether a player’s team made the playoffs, we aren’t really discussing value but something completely different. Value is how many wins a player was worth. To get at that you need to break contributions down to outs and bases, because that’s the name of the game. Trout comes out ahead when you break it down that way.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:18 pm

Yeah guys….don’t discount the run differential between the two catchers and state its not a big deal….especially w/ our offense (or lack of)

1 small thing can make all the difference in the playoffs as we all know….

PLUS if BMac were hitting, this wouldnt even become consideration, but since he isn’t and hasn’t for 90% of the year, I’d go w/ Ross….it not only puts the better signal caller behind the dish, but it also helps keep runners even closer and the combo of Medlen/Ross almost completely negates the running game…

Plus, for those who don’t think there’s some preference for each guy and who is out there….just ask Greg Maddux ;-)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Start McCann, period. There, it’s settled.

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Bourn, Heyward and Prado are all pretty close in Braves’ MVP. I’d lean Bourn.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:20 pm

The difference between a 1.28 and .53 over the course of the seven innings Medlen is likely to pitch in this ONE game is statistically insignificant. Now if you want to play Ross because he’s hotter offensively right now, that might actually make a difference. Maybe. He’s hurting, too.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:21 pm

Shaun…rather than be totally dismissive and ask you if you’re joking when you say Bourn, I’ll just ask why.

Lew

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Why would asking Greg Maddux tell us anything ? Just ask Medlen.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Has Medlen earned the right yet to weigh in on the starting catcher decision? If he’s more comfortable with one over the other I’d hope his opinion would at least carry a little bit of weight (no pun intended).

I get the feeling that Medlen wouldn’t care all that much… he seems like the type who wouldn’t get hung up on stuff like that. But still, if I’m Fredi, knowing that neither catcher is likely to do much at the dish, I might ask my SP who he’s prefer.

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Glad Its a Day Game on Getaway Day!

Good To Hear Boog Powell and Don Sutton, One Last Time

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486.876

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Miguel Cabrera… .339/.402/.688/1.089

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
12:23 pm

I’ll just ask why

I’m gonna guess WAR has something to do with it

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Efrim-

Hmm….lets see….I know that the Aussie Blackley pitched last night…..I also know they have the Phenom Jarrod Parker….and today, A.J. Griffin pitches today…..Brett Anderson I believe is also in their rotation pretty fresh off TJ….and another youngster Tommy Milone….

I think thats it right?

I though have been following the A’s more closely because they’re a real interesting team to watch….much like the Braves in that they’ve been doing it with their starting pitching and pen, but they do have a couple mashers in Reddick and Cespedes that I would LOVE to have…

Also, theyre quite young as a whole so it’d be nice to see them go through another Beane type 3-4 year run….

Hillbilly

October 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

This morning I was looking at the matchup to see who’s pitching for Texas in that game. When I saw Oakland’s starter I thought “Who?”

I like to consider myself more than just an average fan so this kind of bothered me. It’s an amazing story…grounds for a sequel if Brad Pitt is up to it. :)

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Braves have some standing-room only tix ($18) available for Friday’s Wild Card game. Go to braves.com/postseason

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:26 pm

usnavyvolfaninva, Bourn’s combined offensive and defensive contributions seem to do a little more than any other Braves player to help and increase the Braves’ chances to win.

Most of his value was in the outs he was worth on defense but he also wasn’t shabby at all at the plate and of course on the basepaths.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

P-Town,
YOur 12:24 is invalid, as it is clearly 6 minutes after Efrim posted the question, which is way more than enough time to look it up online. JK. :-)

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

The difference between a 1.28 and .53

That’s almost a full run, just go back and look at how many games we didn’t score more than 1 run and how many games we lost by 1 run. Trust me, there’s a difference.

Murph

October 3rd, 2012
12:27 pm

What a story in Oakland. Quick, without looking, name the current starting rotation…. Not easy.

Well… there’s the guy that got hit in the head. And Haren. No, wait, he was on the A’s back in the 90’s. And… there’s that other guy. Has Cespedes started any games on the mound? No? Hmmmmmm….

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Should I feel bad that I could give a darn about who wins the AL MVP award? In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter much to me.

jeffrey d

October 3rd, 2012
12:28 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

DRoss last 8 games: .261/.261/.522/.783

BMac last 8 games:.179/.258/.214/.472

:?

Arkansas Transplant

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Not saying Ross made the difference or if it just happened to be the quality of teams we played when McCann was behind the plate but a difference of 1 run can make a huge difference in the outcome of most games.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:29 pm

Brats only slightly burned…not too shabby for my first time.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

WAR! huh yeah. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

Shaun

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Trout’s number in Sept/Oct: .279/.389/.486.876

That’s faltering down the stretch?

Miguel Cabrera… .339/.402/.688/1.089

Trout’s overall season was better, plus Trout did not actually falter down the stretch.

I’m gonna guess WAR has something to do with it

Any sort of measure of a player’s overall contributions to helping and increasing his team’s chances to win have something to do with it. If you have your own way to determine this, by all means use it. Any serious attempt to determine overall contributions to helping and contributing to the likelihood the team will win will likely lead you to the same place: Trout as the AL MVP and with Bourn, Heyward and Prado all solid candidates for Braves’ MVP.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

T-Hawkin-

Agreed…plus, I had a hard time stomaching the game last night….w/ that ST-esque lineup so I guess its good I am at work today….

The downside…had to borrow a pair of headphones so no noise cancelling on these (awful) and theyre very uncomfortable….

BUT that said, its better than having none….

Left my headphones in my travel carry-on along w/ my iphone charger from vaca…..lets hope the phone can make it to 5p CT and these headphones don’t rip my ears off before then as well…

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

DS1,
I am disappointed in your lack of interest in the race for MVP in the opposite league. ;-)

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

navy

Hey, it’s all good. Brats are cheap, so you can keep at it till you get it right. Now don’t screw up those ribeye’s!

:wink:

David O'Brien

October 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

Chipper takes out the ATL lineup card and gets standing O as he walks back to dugout, tips his cap to the crowd (whole lot of Braves fans here).

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

It’s an amazing story…grounds for a sequel if Brad Pitt is up to it.

Just the start for them too. Great farm system. Perhaps no star, but like San Diego – tons of depth. Adding Brett Anderson to Parker, Griffin. Straily and Milone will be big for them in 2013.

Gotta give the A’s front office credit – they had the best offseason of maybe any team and this was while trading away Bailey, Cahill and Gonzalez.

DS1

October 3rd, 2012
12:35 pm

navy

You probably mentioned it a few times, but where are you stationed there in VA? My middle son is at Langley working on secret stuff for the CIA, but is finishing up his 6 years in December.

BTW, thanks for your service!

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:35 pm

“You realize how silly it is to base your starter in a playoff game based on 2 at-bats?”

Not really. You could base your starter for the game on a whole myriad of stats, all which would favor Ross as of late, but we’re going to start McCann because he was the heir-apparent to Chipper once he left. )Then we got Freeman and Heyward, maybe Kimbrel)

Efrim

October 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm

Braves didn’t have a single prospect in the South Atlantic League Top 20. Sorta thought Alex Wood would be in there, but the league was absolutely stacked this year.

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:38 pm

TOBF-

Watched BMac take bp on the field Sat….

While I have played ball for a VERY long time, I’m not the most observant person….and also don’t claim to be a hitting coach….

That said, even I could tell by watching him take BP that he has no life on his swing and most of the power has been zapped….he will try to take the ball to all fields but halway through flight in the OF it would just die….

Then again, I was most impressed w/ Francisco and Baker in hitting bombs….so that just tells me that if ever we face a MLB pitcher throwing BP fastballs at 80-82 mph, they will be good to go ;-)

usnavyvolfaninva

October 3rd, 2012
12:44 pm

Thanks, DS1
Currently on USS Abe Lincoln…actually, right now I’m on leave because the “boss” is out of town visiting her family.
Brats are ok. Next is going to be the 3 or 4 half-racks of ribs in the freezer. Got ‘em on sale at Food Lion…figure I can screw one up without the “boss” finding out. ;-)

chipontheroad

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

Mikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey
Marteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!

phil

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

ncscoots

October 3rd, 2012
11:30 am

If Heyward does a thing offensively on Friday other than foul pitches off to the left or ground out to second, I’ll be pleasantly surprised…

phil, you’ll be “pleasantly surprised” at any outcome short of the charter going down in flames.
***********
hater…

Brian from SC

October 3rd, 2012
12:45 pm

I would start McCann because I believe he is a better player than Ross, and gives the Braves more of a chance to win.

UKUGA

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Georgia receiver Bennett injured, out for season

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Beautiful run without a bunt! :) Nice to see Bourn win the SB title. ;)

Tomahawkin (LCS or BUST)

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

P-Town Brave ©

October 3rd, 2012
12:32 pm

T-Hawkin-

Agreed…plus, I had a hard time stomaching the game last night….

I Turned It off in the 3rd Inning and started watching ESPN 30-on-30 “BROKE”…Big Red Didn’t have much going for him last Night, Thats a Shocker

I just shook my head when he let the Pittsburgh Runner just take 2nd base….

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 3rd, 2012
12:46 pm

Heyward with another grounder to 2nd…

Mixxo

October 3rd, 2012
12:47 pm

Nice start Ben.

MFin04

October 3rd, 2012
12:47 pm

“I would start McCann because I believe he is a better player than Ross”

I don’t believe that is currently true.

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