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Tomahawkin
October 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Win One For The Chipper
“This Friday game is SO UNFAIR. The BRAVES have won the WC and should continue on.”
“Just need to take care of business and all will be good. Got Meds on the mound. Get him an early lead, hand it over to the bullpen, and let Kimbrel shut the door.”
Easier said than done on Giving Little Big Man Meds The Early Lead part….
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
12:52 pm
Would love to see Texas and New York in the one gamer. That’d be the end of that if the Yankees lose.
George_George
October 2nd, 2012
12:52 pm
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
12:35 pm
Ah, but what about their third-order wins?
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I don’t even know what “third-order wins” are I guess some sort of fantesy stat.
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm
“I think there’s a trophy somewhere for most third-order wins”
Somewhere in “What if …?” land, there’s got to be a list of all the teams that should have won the World Series, but didn’t.
No. There is just having a better idea of which teams performed the best and worst that goes beyond win-loss record and whether they won trophies. Some of us like to know things about teams beyond whether they won trophies. If you don’t, fine.
Murph
October 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
but it’s OK because they’ll be wasting less money
Exactly. Pagan is a perfect fit for the Braves. Almost the exact same production the team would get from Bourn offensively, average defense, at a much lower price.
If you have a more realistic CF option, I’d love to hear it.
Brian from SC
October 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
There’s wins. Then there’s a calculation of expected wins based on things behind the wins, i.e. scoring and allowing runs. Those would be 2nd order wins. Then there’s a calculation of expected wins based on things behind those things, like what affects how many runs you score and allow. I think that would be 3rd order wins.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Tom Hart @tom_hart
#Braves lineup I’d like to see tonite: Constanza CF,Baker LF, Overbay 1B,Francisco 3B, Hinske RF,Medlen SS,Pastornicky 2B,Boscan C, Hanson P
Medlen SS!
Ghost of Chipper Jones
October 2nd, 2012
12:57 pm
Let’s win one for the CHIPPER
ncscoots
October 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm
If you have a more realistic CF option, I’d love to hear it.
I don’t, as yet. I’ll know I will have found one when the name mentioned doesn’t also trigger the gag reflex.
DAP
October 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
scoots In other words, a lesser Bourn at the same age and with the same likelihood of diminishing skillset
pagan is a lesser bourn how? not offensively. on defense, yeah. less money for a lesser player is usually how it works, right?
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
#Braves lineup I’d like to see tonite: Constanza CF,Baker LF, Overbay 1B,Francisco 3B, Hinske RF,Medlen SS,Pastornicky 2B,Boscan C, Hanson P
I want to see both Heyward and Freeman in the lineup. Especially Jason. Need to build on some good plate appearances last night. Bourn too. Game action is a good thing for a few of our regulars.
Veer
October 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
I have a bad feeling about the Friday game against the Cardinals. They have an amazing offense. I expect them to get off to an early 2-0 lead in the first inning. Braves will get a chance in the bottom of the first with 2 runners on but Fredie Freeman will swing at the first pitch ball and ground into a double play. The score probably will be 2-0 until Cardinals score 2 more on Beltran Homerun. 4-0. Braves come up with numerous opportunities but Mac and Uggla continue to strike out.
Simmons will probably get a chance to drive a run but probably is too aggressive and ends the rally.
Martin Prado will probably be our only shinning star that night. He will be responsible for the solo run that Braves will score. Braves will lose 4-1. Chipper goes 0-2 with 1 walk. Crowd chants his name and Chipper comes out and tips his cap while tears come down his eyes.
Braves lose this game because Freedie Freeman kept swinging at first pitch balls.
Jason Heyward trying to pull outside pitch resulting in ground out to second.
Uggla striking out 3 times with a lot of runners left on base.
Simmons like Freeman taking early hacks and popping it up.
The End
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Tom Hart @tom_hart
Changed my mind. I’ll put Pastornicky at SS, Baker at 2B, and Johnson in LF.
Aye, that’s better.
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
1:02 pm
George_George, it’s just an attempt to get at a team’s underlying performance beyond just wins and losses.
George_George
October 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Tom Hart @tom_hart
#Braves lineup I’d like to see tonite: Constanza CF,Baker LF, Overbay 1B,Francisco 3B, Hinske RF,Medlen SS,Pastornicky 2B,Boscan C, Hanson P
Medlen SS!
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If he was not pitching Friday and BRAVES season was over, for tonights meaningless game, I would say HELL YES to MEDS at SS.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
If you have a more realistic CF option, I’d love to hear it.
Bourjos!
Brian from SC
October 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Veer, sounds like you don’t even need to watch. You got it all covered!
George_George
October 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Tom Hart @tom_hart
#Braves lineup I’d like to see tonite: Constanza CF,Baker LF, Overbay 1B,Francisco 3B, Hinske RF,Medlen SS,Pastornicky 2B,Boscan C, Hanson P
Medlen SS!
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If he was not pitching Friday and BRAVES season was over, for tonights meaningless game, I would say HELL YES to MEDS at SS.
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DAP
October 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
murph If you have a more realistic CF option, I’d love to hear it.
ill throw one out there. chris young from AZ. $8.5mil on his contract for 2013, $10mil in 2014, with a $1.5 buy out, so $10mil garunteed left on the deal.
great defense, lots of pop, and hits lefties. drawbacks are his batting average and health, as he has been injured a good but in 2012. but we might could take a chance on a 28 year old athlete without a long commitment. with pagan, we would have to shell out for at least 3 years, probbaly, for a 31 year old.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
veer is probably closer than anyone else will be to what happens….sigh.
Nowhere man
October 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
Chipper’s Hawaii vacation. 2 ex wives, one Hooters waitress, 4 kids, two parents and a surf board.
Ghost of Chipper Jones
October 2nd, 2012
1:09 pm
I start HANSON and SHEETS in the next two. Let HANSON go at least seven no matter the score. Same with SHEETS to keep the pen fresh.
Friday MEDS, off-day, Sunday MINOR [1], Monday HUDSON [2], off-day Wednesday MEDS [3]. Thursday MINOR [4] and Friday HUDSON [5] if needed after that. Worry about the NLCS later.
Nowhere man
October 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Chipper’s favorite song. Family man by Hall and Oates
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Great idea….
Let’s play Medlen, he of one of the most incredible pitching accomplishments EVER, at SS so he can risk a shoulder injury like Janish just suffered diving after a grounder….
Brilliant.
Brian from SC
October 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Or, Lohse could strain his back on the first batter of the game and have to come out. Lynn takes over, but can’t get in rhythm out of the bullpen, and the Braves put up 5 runs in the first three innings. The Cardinals’ mediocre bullpen doesn’t help, and the Braves end up taking it 8-1.
George_George
October 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Sorry double posts, this darn Submit button is so slow I don’t know when it works.
Nowhere man
October 2nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Chipper’s dogs name alimony
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:16 pm
NLDS? NLCS?
Forgetting Friday’s loss?
tony austin
October 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
I don’t understand why the Cardinals are starting Lohse. Do they not pay attention to the Braves Achilles heel, any LHP or any pitcher with an amazingly high ERA.
Veer, on the 4-0 Cardinals prediction, you do remember who is pitching for the Braves right? I can see Medlen maybe giving up a run or two at the most, but, imo, there’s no way he gives up 4.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
Nowhere man = bigger idiot than most
Brian from SC
October 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
tony, the Cardinals would have to start Garcia on three days’ rest. If they could pitch him on regular rest, I bet they would.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:19 pm
Medlen gave up three not long ago….
He’s done.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:19 pm
So, am I right that if we win the play-in, and the Nats win home field, they start the series IN ATLANTA? Weird.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:19 pm
And I’ve never been a Dodgers fan, but I swear, if I see one more replay of the epic 2011 collapse, I’m gonna puke! I hope the Dodgers overtake STL and force a playoff!
Nowhere man
October 2nd, 2012
1:23 pm
Chipper’s advice to all the young guys on the team. Make sure you sign a prenup.
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
1:24 pm
I don’t know why y’all are getting your collectives noses out of joint over a few meaningless series of fall baseball.
Not me baby, I’ll watch but as a free man. I learned that right here …………. Feel free to join me ………….
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
Rama Rama, Hare Hare
AUM AUM AUM AUM AUM AUM >>>>>>>>>>>>
DAP
October 2nd, 2012
1:24 pm
veer at 1pm…its clear you are over thinking that one game, bud.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:25 pm
Yes, Navy, but they would then clinch the series at home in 3 or 4….
jeffrey d
October 2nd, 2012
1:25 pm
Looks like someone’s got a little Chipper obsession
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:25 pm
Is Marteen pitching tonight?
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
phil,
So, first two in ATL, then last 3 in WAS. Got it.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:27 pm
Lol at Bat….love those idiots in the Airplane movie.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:29 pm
That was Airplane? My favorite part was Barbara Billingsley speaking “Jive”
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
1:30 pm
Not me baby, I’ll watch but as a free man. I learned that right here …………. Feel free to join me ………….
Remember that scene in Stripes when they just got their hair cut and Russell(Harold Ramis) sees John Candy’s character and sings that. Good stuff. Great movie.
tony austin
October 2nd, 2012
1:33 pm
If the Yankees have to play the play-in game and lose, you can bet your bottom dollar next season’s WC format will be changed.
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm
My guess is we’ll see at least one game on Thursday night for either the AL West or AL East. I’m gonna say the AL East.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm
“Three veeks in zhe cooler!” – The Great Escape
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
1:37 pm
John Winger: Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it’s usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it’s not just the uniform. It’s the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.
[points to the soldier next to him]
John Winger: Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. If the two of us together, forget it. I’m gonna go out on a limb here. I’m gonna volunteer my leadership to this platoon. An army without leaders is like a foot without a big toe. And Sergeant Hulka isn’t always gonna be here to be that big toe for us. I think that we owe a big round of applause to our newest, bestest buddy, and big toe… Sergeant Hulka.
[the soldiers start clapping]
Just quality stuff right there…..
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Efim,
I’m sort of a Rangers fan just ‘cuz my wife’s from TX, and I like to keep her happy; but it’d be flippin’ sweet to see the O’s battle back and win the AL East.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Efrim,
Now I’m gonna have to order Stripes…thanks.
cowdogit
October 2nd, 2012
1:39 pm
Last night Canstanza should have started in left field. With no stress on the pitcher even the worst pitcher in the league can make the braves look stupid. If Fredi has no plan to put stress on the top pitchers in baseball, the braves may as well stay home.
phil
October 2nd, 2012
1:45 pm
There were some krishnas in Airplane….
Bat’s deal wasn’t from the movie.
And yes, Mrs. cleaver talking jive was awesome.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
1:45 pm
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
1:45 pm
If the Yankees have to play the play-in game and lose, you can bet your bottom dollar next season’s WC format will be changed.
One can only hope. There is no way the Yankees should be playing in that game instead of the Tigers.
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
1:45 pm
It’s been a while since I watched Stripes or Airplane.
Probably should now, might help my mood.
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Bat’s deal wasn’t from the movie.
Nope, just a little poke at Shaun.
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Actually it’s hard to argue that any sensible format would have any of the other playoff qualifiers in the play-in game instead of the Tigers.
Waffle House or Bust
October 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
I smell the 90’s coming again folks. You are playing the Pirates and take your chances with Phillies closing out strong against the Nats. What do we do? LOSE. I still am not buying into anything yet.
UKUGA
October 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Cardinals should pitch Rick Ankiel on Friday night.
brian
October 2nd, 2012
1:49 pm
I am holding out hope that the Orioles still take the division
abeeeewright
October 2nd, 2012
1:51 pm
“Some of us like to know things about teams beyond whether they won trophies.”
Such as … ?
UKUGA
October 2nd, 2012
1:53 pm
I think the problem with MLB is that it’s the only sport that lacks complete and total competitive balance, has divisional play, has league and interleague play, and has an unbalanced schedule.
MLB should be like all other professional sports leagues and move all its teams to Omaha and play all events on a neutral field.
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
1:54 pm
abeeeewright, such as which teams outplayed others over the course of the season.
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
1:54 pm
phil is never gonna mature. he is a confirmed dyed-in-the-wool pissymist and always will be.
cricket
October 2nd, 2012
1:56 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan – Any idea what time WC games would be Friday?
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
1:57 pm
great defense, lots of pop, and hits lefties. drawbacks are his batting average and health,..DAP
biggest drawback is that he absolutely stinks away from ‘zona. Just what we need, another mediocre hitter coming in here and totally tanking. NOT!!
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
1:57 pm
Such as … ?
Which Team is the best. In a couple of days someone will be able to tell us. Then they’ll play a tournament and that team may, or not, win. Even if they do it’s just luck so who cares.
abeeeewright
October 2nd, 2012
1:58 pm
“Stripes … i…s…a…Great movie.”
Should get the unexpurgated version. Really funny out-takes that didn’t make the main movie.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Stripes > Down Periscope
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
2:00 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan – Any idea what time WC games would be Friday?
LOL Sometime in the afternoon, that’s all I, or anyone else, knows. I’m seeing some places say 4:30 and 8:30, and others say 6:30 and 9:30.
cricket
October 2nd, 2012
2:00 pm
Cardinals should pitch Rick Ankiel on Friday night.
traitor..that’s sure loss for braves since Ankiel throws LH
phil
October 2nd, 2012
2:00 pm
LOL at the notion of Constanza putting pressure on a pitcher from the batter’s box….
As it is, we stick him in to run, knowing damn well that actually HITTING the ball was unlikely with Mac up there, so instead of sending the runner (why not), he just stands there for the pathetic one hopper to the mound.
Frustrating game….
Of course, had Fredi sent Constanza, i would’ve raised hell at the stupidity of such a move had he been thrown out!
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
2:01 pm
UKUGA, so there is no in between? It’s either move teams to Omaha and try to achieve complete balance and neutrality or stick with a system that over-rewards teams that win weak divisions over superior teams?
You have to love this. Because I can’t be Mother Teresa, I should just become a serial killer. Makes sense.
cricket
October 2nd, 2012
2:03 pm
Stripes > Down Periscope
agreed, however -
Down Periscope Lauren Holly shrunk shirt scene > whatever Stripes had in that category
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
2:03 pm
Happy Birthday phil.
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
2:03 pm
You have to love this. Because I can’t be Mother Teresa, I should just become a serial killer. Makes sense.
Ha, you do that all the time.
Efrim
October 2nd, 2012
2:04 pm
I don’t think the Braves will be able to afford Chris Young unless the D-Backs eat a sizable portion of the deal. I’m okay with him in CF…..but he is not the LF RH banger that we need.
David O'Brien
October 2nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Braves have hit .222 in the past 32 games, have 20-12 record in those mainly because of 2.67 ERA. Scored two or fewer runs in 16 of those 32 games.
David O'Brien
October 2nd, 2012
2:05 pm
Jayson Stark’s top two AL “least valuable players”: Yunel Escobar and Jeff Francoeur
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
2:05 pm
I guess y’all just never get tired of watching guys hit 220
O.M.G.
October 2nd, 2012
2:06 pm
Shaun, you already are a serial killer. Your posts kill me everytime.
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
2:07 pm
I’m a cereal killer, Raisin Bran Crunch mostly
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
2:08 pm
Unfortunately, I saw Lauren Holley in NCIS before I saw Down Periscope for the first time. That probably didn’t do her justice.
Powder Blue
October 2nd, 2012
2:08 pm
Our offense needs to get it in gear.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
2:08 pm
LOL at Jayson Starks top 2 LVPs for AL.
Bat Masterson
October 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm
Frosted Flakes
ncscoots
October 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm
Ha, you do that all the time.
Well, I don’t know from whom Shaun stole that, but props to that guy. That’s actually a pretty good one.
I don’t know that I want to use it, in public, when I have that about-to-go-postal look in my eye, but still…
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves have hit .222 in the past 32 games, 20-12 with 2.67 ERA. Scored 2 or fewer runs in 16 of those 32 games.
And Prado hit .324 for the month, Uggla’s .291. The other guys really struggled, esp. at catcher.
abeeeewright
October 2nd, 2012
2:10 pm
“Down Periscope Lauren Holly shrunk shirt scene > whatever Stripes had in that category”
Stripes … Shaun Young, PJ Soles in the altogether >> Down Periscope … Lauren Holly wet t-shirt
DAP
October 2nd, 2012
2:10 pm
nolie biggest drawback is that he absolutely stinks away from ‘zona.
i did not check that split, but youre right. i still think he could be an option if the dbacks throw in some cash, but i doubt thats what they are looking to do with him.
usnavyvolfaninva
October 2nd, 2012
2:10 pm
Jason Heyward is too streaky for my taste.
raleighbravefan
October 2nd, 2012
2:11 pm
Lucky Charms are magically delicious.
ncscoots
October 2nd, 2012
2:12 pm
nolie, come up with some CF option that will get Murph off Angel Pagan. Please.
ncscoots
October 2nd, 2012
2:14 pm
Stripes … Shaun Young, PJ Soles in the altogether >> Down Periscope … Lauren Holly wet t-shirt
Yeah, but Sean Young is such a psycho head-case that much of the attraction fades away.
Shaun
October 2nd, 2012
2:15 pm
Which Team is the best. In a couple of days someone will be able to tell us. Then they’ll play a tournament and that team may, or not, win. Even if they do it’s just luck so who cares.
In a sense, this is correct. The postseason is entirely for fun (and money). It doesn’t determine which team was the best MLB team in a given season.
The randomness of the postseason is what makes it fun. The possibility that the Braves, though they may not be the very best MLB team of 2012, still have a shot to win the World Series is fun for us Braves fans.
We certainly don’t want to take away this randomness. But MLB should want to reward the teams that have done more to prove themselves as the best. It’s about finding that balance between keeping the enjoyment of this randomness and rewarding the teams that have proven themselves over the long haul.
abeeeewright
October 2nd, 2012
2:15 pm
Shaun’s a self-confessed serial killer????
I thought NM Lee was going to end up dead in an alley behind a strip club over the summer.
Now, we have Psycho Killers on the blog …
I can’t seem to face up to the facts
I’m tense and nervous and I
Can’t relax
I can’t sleep ’cause my bed’s on fire
Don’t touch me I’m a real live wire
Psycho Killer
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
Psycho Killer
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
You start a conversation you can’t even finish it.
You’re talkin’ a lot, but you’re not sayin’ anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?
Psycho Killer,
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
Psycho Killer
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
Ce que j’ai fais, ce soir la
Ce qu’elle a dit, ce soir la
Realisant mon espoir
Je me lance, vers la gloire … OK
We are vain and we are blind
I hate people when they’re not polite
Psycho Killer,
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
Psycho Killer,
Qu’est Que C’est
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
Run run run run run run run away
abeeeewright
October 2nd, 2012
2:16 pm
“Yeah, but Sean Young is such a psycho head-case that much of the attraction fades away.”
I can compartmentalize.
Bigwheel
October 2nd, 2012
2:18 pm
Lets hope our offense plays a little more laid back, no pressure. Now we are eliminated from NL east contention
cricket
October 2nd, 2012
2:18 pm
Stripes … Shaun Young, PJ Soles in the altogether >> Down Periscope … Lauren Holly wet t-shirt
Stripes may be WAR leader in that regard, but my old school self loves the triple (double?) crown winner Holly based on that single scene
may be my memory is fading, guess have to watch stripes once again
nolie
October 2nd, 2012
2:18 pm
I guess we could do worse than Pagan. If he can hit in San Fran maybe he could hit in the Ted???….