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Venice Jim
October 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Thanks, DOB!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
3:14 pm
Thank you DOB. Let’s go Braves! Take 2-3, call it a regular season.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
Thanks for the new blog, DOB
flange1
October 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
Thanks for the new blog and all the hard work DOB!
GO BRAVES!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
Based on Nolie’s list, by my calculations, if Bourjos had played CF for as many innings as Trout has, he’d have saved 17 runs. Trout is at 23.
Seeing Craig Gentry at #4 is pretty good.
Brime Lee
October 1st, 2012
3:19 pm
From South Korea to watch Chipper & (Most important) Braves’ Road to World Series.
and now I am in Pittsburgh, just about to go to PNC Park.
Go Bravos & Thanks DOB! as always!
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
no it is not true, Bourjoos is not as good as Trout
To 30 in Runs Saved
Bourn, Michael 25
Trout, Mike 23
Span, Denard 19
Gentry, Craig 14
Harper, Bryce 13
Maxwell, Justin 12
Bourjos, Peter 10
Maybin, Cameron 8
Colvin, Tyler 7
Morgan, Nyjer 7
Young, Chris 7
Rasmus, Colby 6
Ruggiano, Justin 6
Young, Eric 6
Cain, Lorenzo 5
Barnes, Brandon 4
Dyson, Jarrod 4
Jackson, Austin 4
Torres, Andres 4
Gomez, Carlos 3
Parra, Gerardo 3
Bernadina, Roger 2
Byrd, Marlon 2
Ellsbury, Jacoby 2
Gose, Anthony 2
Podsednik, Scott 2
Repko, Jason 2
Stubbs, Drew 2
Sweeney, Ryan 2
Brown, Corey 1
Campana, Tony 1
Carrera, Ezequiel 1
Chambers, Adron 1
Chavez, Endy 1
Crisp, Coco 1
Danks, Jordan 1
Davis, Rajai 1
Denorfia, Chris 1
Dickerson, Chris 1
Donald, Jason 1
Eaton, Adam 1
Ethier, Andre 1
Gwynn, Tony 1
Jay, Jon 1
Lough, David 1
Martinez, Michael 1
Mastroianni, Darin 1
Pollock, A.J. 1
Robinson, Shane 1
Schafer, Logan 1
Schierholtz, Nate 1
Wells, Casper 1
Murph
October 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
Thanks for the new blog DOB. Now you can head to Primanti Brothers for a double egg and cheese sandwich.
Jeff R
October 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
Thanks, DOB. Super report and analysis.
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
Top Ten +/-
Michael Bourn +39
Michael Trout +33
Denard Span +31
Justin Maxwell +21
Bryce Harper +18
Lorenzo Cain +14
Peter Bourjos +14
Eric Young Jr. +13
Justin Ruggiano +13
Cameron Maybin +12
Chris Young +12
Brave New World
October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Good blog – thanks DOB! GO BRAVES!
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Thanks DOB, Go Braves!
Bream Is My Homie
October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Do you guys think Barry Bonds knew how bad the Pirates would be after the 1992 season and that’s why wanted to go to the Giants?
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
3:23 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
Tonight’s lineup at PIT (7:05, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Prado 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 McCann 2 Simmons 6 Maholm 1
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm
“Bourjos is not as good as Trout”
Defensively Bourjos is better. If he wasn’t the Angels wouldn’t move Trout to LF when Bourjos comes in.
The problem is he doesn’t play in as many games as Trout thus has lower counting numbers.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm
Denard Span +31
I think he’d be a solid CF replacement for Bourn. I know he struggles outside of Minny – but he can take a walk, hit LHP, and play really good defense. I wish he wasn’t a LHH, but he’s a name I would consider for CF next year. And we match up very well with the Twins.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:24 pm
To 30 in Runs Saved
Am I to read this list as saying Andrew McCutcheon has saved zero runs this year?
raleighbravefan
October 1st, 2012
3:25 pm
Bream – It probably had more to do with money.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Am I to read this list as saying Andrew McCutcheon has saved zero runs this year?
I never really hear about him being that great of a defender. 0 runs surprises me though.
Brian from SC
October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Chipper’s in the lineup? Color me surprised. Good for him.
Karl Hungus
October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Actually McCutchen ha -5 DRS.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
“Bourn 8 Prado 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 McCann 2 Simmons 6 Maholm 1″
McCann CRUSHES lefties! That .268 on base percentage!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
I thought Chipper said he was taking today off…. at least there was a tweet from Tom Hart saying so…
Brian from SC
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Obviously the Braves are going to go all out for the division as long as they mathematically can.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Actually McCutchen ha -5 DRS.
Thanks, Karl. Wow, that surprises me. Not that I see him play a lot, but still…
Bream Is My Homie
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Not sure that money had anything to do with it. He could of made money in any city and with Pittsburgh’s steel industry they could of afforded him.
flange1
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
Shouldn’t BJ Upton be on that list too?
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
I think it’s funny that soo many WAR supporters have this “us against the world” mentality. It really isn’t that way, it’s just illogical that WAR is the end all be-all of stats. And if you don’t want to pick an MVP based on it then somehow you’re illogical.
I’d rather see some sort of overall “runs created” stat that uses RBIs/HRs/SB/Defense/Baserunning that gives a player an overall numbers of runs created.
No one wants to base MVP entirely on WAR. But no one wants to disregard WAR completely either.
And what do you think WAR is? It is essentially runs created and runs prevented formula. So if that’s what you want, there it is.
There is the false idea that everything needs to be stats/sabermetrics versus scouts. Many of you, especially those who want to take a scouting side (for lack of a better term, though most of you would probably be uncomfortable with the knowledge that many scouts have about sabermetrics), think you have to pick sides. You are afraid to embrace one side of this false debate because you think it means giving up the other side.
The most intelligent baseball folks, whether they are in the industry or outside, understand that things have progressed way beyond that. If you are still looking at baseball through the lens of some false dichotomy of stats versus scouts, you are living way back in the Dark Ages.
Most of the civilized baseball world has moved past all this, fully embracing both stats/sabermetrics/advanced stats/whatever you want to call it and scouting. There are a few Neanderthals left that think we have to pick sides and are still living in a world where WAR is less useful than scouting grades and vice versa. But the civilized baseball world has moved beyond that and realize that good information is good information, whether it be a player’s WAR or a player’s scouting grades.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:30 pm
Defensively Bourjos is better. If he wasn’t the Angels wouldn’t move Trout to LF when Bourjos comes in. The problem is he doesn’t play in as many games as Trout thus has lower counting numbers.
But offensively Bourjos is one of the worst players in baseball. If his defense is being used to take points away from Trout, his offense needs to be used to give Trout extra credit.
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:31 pm
he is not better, he is well below Trout in +/-
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:32 pm
Bourn 8 Prado 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 McCann 2 Simmons 6 Maholm 1
That’s our playoff game lineup, I’d expect.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:32 pm
Am I to read this list as saying Andrew McCutcheon has saved zero runs this year?
I never really hear about him being that great of a defender. 0 runs surprises me though.
I think the setup of PNC Park contributes to hurting his numbers, as well as the fact that the Pirates have had some good defenders on the corners (meaning that they can “take” outs away from McCutchen).
You know your basic “UZR isn’t perfect” arguments.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
That’s our playoff game lineup, I’d expect.
Hopefully not with Maholm until Game 3/4 though
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
yeah McCutcheon has always had bad numbers except for last season when he played less shallow, other years he has been terrible deep
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Upton is a crap centerfielder, he has the tools but loafs and takes a lot of bad routes
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Some of them even think that, historically speaking, Jose Canseco was the greatest right fielder ever….
There is absolutely no one who thinks this. But again, make up these attacks on the “sabermetric” crowd to appease your need to create drama and some holy war of sabermetrics versus scouts or sabermetrics versus traditional stats.
A Jerry Springer mentality is feeding baseball debate. Discussions can’t be about good information, regardless of where it comes from. We have to create this holy war of traditionalist/scouts versus sabemetrics. There needs to be this drummed up, constructed drama instead of raising the stakes, being intellectually curious and relying on information.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:36 pm
“he is not better, he is well below Trout in +/-”
Is that not a counting stat? If so, it should be obvious why he is well below Trout. Not to mention the fact that the Angels replace Trout in CF with Bourjos? Why would they do that if Trout was a better CF? To purposely make their defense worse!?!
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:36 pm
Some of them even think that, historically speaking, Jose Canseco was the greatest right fielder ever….
There is absolutely no one who thinks this.
I disagree. I’m pretty sure Jose Canseco thinks this.
Mike S
October 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
FMJ lineup!
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2012
3:40 pm
Seven starts in a row for Chipper.
Braves lineup: Bourn cf, Prado lf, Heyward rf, Jones 3b, Freeman 1b, Uggla 2b, McCann c, Simmons ss, Maholm p
Bat Masterson
October 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
Good stuff, DOB. Thanks
Chipper starting? Color me a little surprised.
Big dog line up. Win and the Nats lose? Fun, fun, fun
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
We have to create this holy war of traditionalist/scouts versus sabemetrics.
Geez, brother, who do you think has framed the conversation this way, in the first place, LOL? No offense, but the debate would be much further advanced were folks like you less dogmatic. That would have let folks like me, with feet in both camps, move the conversation forward much more easily and without the polarization created by all the arrogance. Instead, you have armed camps willing to annihilate the opposition, should they venture into The Neutral Zone.
UKUGA
October 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
The beginning of an exciting sports week. Let’s hope it doesn’t end with a thud on Friday night.
Go Braves!
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
Wasn’t someone saying they wish there was a stat that took into account all the things that “create runs”, while not weighting defense too much?
There is….wRC+ (measures how many runs above “league average” a player creates with 100 being league average, and each number above or below that 1% of the average):
Trout’s wRC+ is 172.
Cabrera’s wRC is 163.
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
Runs Saved is a counting stat, +/- is not
1n 2010 when Peter played a lot of CF he was +10. last year he was +14. nowhere near what Trout has done
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
Bourn
Prado
Heyward
Jones
Freeman
Uggla
McCann
Simmons
Maholm
Braves should give McCann three more games, if he doesn’t produce he’s gotta be the back-up catcher come playoff time. He can’t be both a liability offensively and defensively….crap his base-running isn’t going to makeup for that.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
sorry, should have said “Cabrera’s wRC+ is 163″
UKUGA
October 1st, 2012
3:44 pm
After hearing Chipper’s comments yesterday about working on his swing, I guess I’m not surprised that he’s playing.
Sounds like he wants the reps.
phil
October 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Well, no way we win tonight….
It’s a lefty who hasn’t won a game….ever.
Just great.
On the other hand, looks like our best lineup is out there for the first time in months.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
nolie – Why would the Angels replace Trout with Bourjos consistently?
There is the kicker. You might want to forward your response to the Angels as well.
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
I think Chipper is really becoming aware of just how little time he has left and wants to be on the field for it as much as possible
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
If Trout is a worse defender than Bourjos, it’s not by much. And Trout certainly provided a lot more defensive value than Miguel Cabrera.
Trout was a lot better this season on defense, on the bases and was not all that far behind Cabrera at the plate. All this means a lot more than Cabrera winning or coming close to winning a Triple Crown. Just think it through for more than two seconds, please, voters.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
sorry, should have said “Cabrera’s wRC+ is 163″
Yeah, for a minute there, I thought you were using Cabrera’s unweighted number.
A typically sneaky tactic used by saber-geeks to color the comparison.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
nolie – Why would the Angels replace Trout with Bourjos consistently? There is the kicker. You might want to forward your response to the Angels as well.
By the same logic, if Bourjos is so much better, why would they consistently play Trout over Bourjos? Or play whoever starts in LF over Bourjos?
Murph
October 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
It’s probably sinking in for Chipper that he could be down to his last 4 games to play… for the rest of his life. I imagine he’ll want to play as much as possible during this final series ’cause, come Friday, that could be the end.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
“I think Chipper is really becoming aware of just how little time he has left and wants to be on the field for it as much as possible”
Hopefully not at the cost of the team winning games. I’m all for him sitting out a game or two to get ready for the playoff(s). He looked very tried or overwhelmed in the Mets series. Could be emotional but it could be physical manifestations of the emotions too.
phil
October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Some of them even think that, historically speaking, Jose Canseco was the greatest right fielder ever….
There is absolutely no one who thinks this. But again, make up these attacks on the “sabermetric” crowd to appease your need to create drama and some holy war of sabermetrics versus scouts or sabermetrics versus traditional stats.
A Jerry Springer mentality is feeding baseball debate. Discussions can’t be about good information, regardless of where it comes from. We have to create this holy war of traditionalist/scouts versus sabemetrics. There needs to be this drummed up, constructed drama instead of raising the stakes, being intellectually curious and relying on information.
**********
You have the sense of humor of a wet sponge…..
Of course no one thinks that. You’re not nearly as smart or perceptive as you think you are.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Yeah, I used the weighted numbers because the Angels kept Trout down for the first month of the season, putting him in a hole before he even started. Even with those games missed though, he still is pretty damn close to Cabrera’s full season unweighted number.
Cabrera at 133, Trout at 124.
phil
October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
I’d rather go down with Chipper than without him….
You know, like we always have since 95….
phil
October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
Except in ‘10….
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
By the same logic, if Bourjos is so much better, why would they consistently play Trout over Bourjos?
Because defense isn’t really that important, LOL?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Well, I’ll be rooting hard for Kyle Kendrick tonight. I mean, he owns us – why not help us for once?
I will become a believer if we get to Wednesday. Because Cliff Lee has been one of the best pitchers in baseball the last few months and he ain’t gonna go quietly.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
Hopefully not at the cost of the team winning games. I’m all for him sitting out a game or two to get ready for the playoff(s). He looked very tried or overwhelmed in the Mets series. Could be emotional but it could be physical manifestations of the emotions too.
I’m betting that if the game is in hand late, he’ll be lifted for a replacement. Also bet that as soon as the division is no longer a possibility, he’s out of the lineup for at least one game.
matty
October 1st, 2012
3:52 pm
DOB, any word on the Pirates doing anything for Chipper this series? If so, when? I want to make sure I’m there in time! Thanks…
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
“By the same logic, if Bourjos is so much better, why would they consistently play Trout over Bourjos? Or play whoever starts in LF over Bourjos?”
It isn’t the same logic. The argument isn’t whether Trout is better than Bourjos, it is whether or no one is better than the other defensively. And the Angels believe Bourjos is the better defensive player or they would never move Trout to LF.
It isn’t that hard. Bourjos > Trout defensively. If you don’t believe me talk to the Angels front office and management.
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Because defense isn’t really that important, LOL?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Well played.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Also bet that as soon as the division is no longer a possibility,
Just hush.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
Has Trout been moved to LF?
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
ncscoots, if you truly had feet in both camps, I doubt you would be as hostile as you are to metrics like WAR, for instance, or claiming that someone who pays attention to WAR is dogmatic.
Metrics like WAR are pretty much accepted within the game. We’re past the point where paying attention to things like WAR is “dogmatic.”
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
“Also bet that as soon as the division is no longer a possibility, he’s out of the lineup for at least one game.”
That’s pretty much what I’m thinking, but it’s scary if he plays 9 in a row because we have a shot at the division and we don’t get it and then we have tired Chipper for the play-in game. I suppose he does have a day off on Thursday, right?
UKUGA
October 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
MFin04, I agree w/you about Chipper plaing 9 straight; however, consider that if he plays 9, we are going into the final day of the season only 1 game out of first and the Nats will be as tight as we were last year against Philly.
Worth a shot.
Murph
October 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
I feel bad for the Pirates. It’s a shame they couldn’t finish the season over .500. Good fans, good ballpark… it’s just too bad.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
Wow. Mark Trumbo has fallen off of a cliff in the 2nd Half – .218/.265/.354
I was never really a huge fan, but he did have a strong first 2 months. Just been downhill ever since.
nolie
October 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
that does not mean Bourjos is better, it might just be the way they both feel the most comfortable, Bourjos has never played anything but center so Trout is more versatile, you are making unwarranted assumptions
RC
October 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
MFin04,
But your entire reason from bringing up Trout/Bourjos was the point out why Trout wasn’t as good as his defensive number say he is. Because you are arguing the “replacement level” for his defense should be higher since there is a good defensive CF on his time.
If that’s the logic you are using, then Trout’s offensive numbers should be given a significant boost, because Bourjos’s offensive numbers are way worse than the replacements for Miguel Cabera (mostly Omar Infante and Ramon Santiago).
You can’t discount one side of the ball without crediting the other side of the ball.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
Well played.
Hey, listen, Mike Trout is a beast, and that’s a fact. If he had any kind of arm, we’d be talking Mays, DiMaggio, and any other god-like player’s name that drifted to our lips. If he wins the MVP, I certainly won’t be shocked. Or even perturbed, for that matter. It’s not like Rafael Palmeiro winning a Gold Glove, fercrissake. Trout’s legit.
RC
October 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
I suppose he does have a day off on Thursday, right?
Unless we somehow catch the Nationals. But if that happens, then I’d say Chipper playing was probably worth it.
Murph
October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
Metrics like WAR are pretty much accepted within the game. We’re past the point where paying attention to things like WAR is “dogmatic.”
The most important question to ask in this, or any, debate, though, is… does anyone really give a sh*t?
I think 90% of the people on here don’t, so maybe you should move your debate to another forum where people care.
Thanks.
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
I’d vote for Posey in the NL and Trout in the AL.
I think David Wright had a phenomenal season as well. Shame he slumped for 8 weeks, but he had a great season overall.
RC
October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
It’s not like Rafael Palmeiro winning a Gold Glove, fercrissake. Trout’s legit.
I do love that he’s STILL the go-to for a terrible award winner. Geez that was a terrible vote.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
This will be seventh straight start for #Braves Chipper, who hadn’t started more than 5 in a row this season until this run.
Hope it works out.
RC
October 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
I’d vote for Posey in the NL and Trout in the AL.
I think David Wright had a phenomenal season as well. Shame he slumped for 8 weeks, but he had a great season overall.
I’d probably vote Braun in the NL, but Posey is certainly not a bad choice.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
“that does not mean Bourjos is better, it might just be the way they both feel the most comfortable, Bourjos has never played anything but center so Trout is more versatile, you are making unwarranted assumptions”
What!? Of course it means he is better. You wouldn’t put a guy in a position if he wasn’t better. So if Heyward was more comfortable in CF you’d put Bourn in RF? That doesn’t make any sense.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
4:04 pm
I doubt you would be as hostile as you are to metrics like WAR, for instance, or claiming that someone who pays attention to WAR is dogmatic.
I’m not hostile to WAR, you infant. I’m hostile to you, LOL.
Nor did I say that “paying attention to WAR” makes you dogmatic (I don’t think that word means what you think it means). You’re dogmatic in the way that you recite your current position on whatever, without thought and brooking no debate. That has nothing to do with any metric or model, it has to do with that combination-lock mind of yours.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
4:05 pm
“but Posey is certainly not a bad choice”
Uggh. Yes he is. He’s the 2nd most valuable catcher in the NL, therefore he is a bad choice.
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
I’d probably vote Braun in the NL
Check Braun’s samples again, and do make sure to get it sent overnight.
TennesseePaul
October 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Thanks for the work DOB.
GO BRAVES!!
Last 9 Starts of the Starting 9
_________AVG__OBP__SLG___OPS_wOBA_L9S9+
Bourn__ .143 .250 .200 0.450 .220 ___39
Prado__ .353 .405 .618 1.023 .439 __204
Heyward .176 .243 .294 0.537 .290 ___62
Chipper .167 .297 .233 0.531 .257 ___64
Freeman .235 .297 .529 0.827 .328 __143
Uggla__ .276 .371 .379 0.751 .365 __129
McCann_ .214 .313 .250 0.563 .269 ___74
Simmons .276 .333 .310 0.644 .295 ___97
Maholm_ .050 .050 .050 0.100 .043 __-70
raleighbravefan
October 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
Who pitches Thursday if we catch the Nats?
Efrim
October 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
10 players in the NL had an .880 or better this year. 14 players had an .850 or better.
I think I would of been pretty happy if Jason had landed in the .830 – .850 range.
RC
October 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
Speaking of defense, here’s a fun stat:
Braves are the major league leaders in UZR/150 at 9.2. The second place team are the Angels at 7.7. 3rd are the Athletics at 4.6.
For those keeping track at home, the Braves defense has been TWICE as good as the 3rd best defense in baseball. That is all.
Shaun
October 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
ncscoots, I just don’t see much of an argument for Cabrera over Trout. I’m trying hard but I just don’t see a legit argument there.
To get Cabrera over Trout, you have to completely ignore so many facets of the game. It’s just odd that there is so much controversy around the AL MVP. I’ve never seen so much controversy when the choice should be so obvious.
CarRamRod
October 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
Chipper said As long as we have a shot to win the division, I will be in the lineup!
TheOnlyBravesFan
October 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Who pitches Thursday if we catch the Nats?
Most likely Minor… I wonder what his road stats are for the 2nd half of the season, if you look at it for the whole year, it’s pretty bad.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
“I’ve never seen so much controversy when the choice should be so obvious.”
Ok, so we are good. Cabrera for MVP, right? Since he is the overwhelmingly better offensive player and it isn’t even close. Those 50 points more of slugging won it for him?
raleighbravefan
October 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Does anyone else think that Shaun is starting to sound like Orly Taitz ? (let me finish, LET ME FINISH !!)
Heisenberg
October 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
Guys like Trout and Harper are serviceable in CF as their offense makes up for their average to below average defense there. For now they are young, can run, and have good arms. I see that as something either of these 2 could do for a few more years with the occasional late inning defensive replacement coming in and shifting over to a corner spot. Eventually Tori Hunter and Jason Werth will give way and these teams can go get a “true” CF. They may not win gold gloves but there are a lot worse problems a team can have than Trout or Harper in CF.
MFin04
October 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
“I wonder what his road stats are for the 2nd half of the season, if you look at it for the whole year, it’s pretty bad.”
Well he has been the 3rd best pitcher in the majors since July 1st so probably pretty good.
RC
October 1st, 2012
4:11 pm
I’d probably vote Braun in the NL
Check Braun’s samples again, and do make sure to get it sent overnight.
I’ll get right on that. Make sure you check Posey, McCutchen, Trout, Miguel Cabrera, and every other player in baseball as well. Because under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement, they all have the same number of failed tests.
ncscoots
October 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
I think I would of been pretty happy if Jason had landed in the .830 – .850 range.
Yeah, but you’re so much more easily pleased than I.
phil
October 1st, 2012
4:13 pm
It’s not too bad….
I care about my teams, not the loser teams of others. If they never win again for the next 50 years, all the better! To heck with em all!!!