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TheOnlyBravesFan

September 30th, 2012
11:34 pm

Chipper Jones ‏@RealCJ10
What a weekend! Great way to finish the home part of our schedule. 150k people came to watch. I love everyone in Braves Country. Ur the best

chipontheroad

September 30th, 2012
11:34 pm

What a frikin season man

GO BRAVOS

Venice Jim

September 30th, 2012
11:37 pm

Thanks, Iggles…one more chance (unlikely though it will be)…

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 30th, 2012
11:38 pm

Eagles called a timeout, the Giants get another chance. They had just missed the field goal.

Capt.Mudd

September 30th, 2012
11:38 pm

De-icing the kicka

Venice Jim

September 30th, 2012
11:38 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 30th, 2012
11:39 pm

Pass interference penalty killed them. Just short with the kick

ChattTownBrian

September 30th, 2012
11:40 pm

And we love you Chipper! Now get some big hits Friday or I take it back! :lol:

chipontheroad

September 30th, 2012
11:41 pm

Matty Ice “winning” Drew Brees Looser

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 30th, 2012
11:43 pm

Well, we know now that Matt Ryan is the better QB. He brought his team back to win. :lol:

Capt.Mudd

September 30th, 2012
11:47 pm

Giants 2-2 and an eyelash from 1-3 [recall TB game]……Matt is hotter QB at this step of the season…on a hotter team……Atlanta Falcons.

chipontheroad

September 30th, 2012
11:49 pm

Matty Ice say’s GTFOOF

chipontheroad

September 30th, 2012
11:50 pm

Capt.Mudd

September 30th, 2012
11:54 pm

One final note before saying bye……………

And “Little Middle” MTSU…..really steamrolled The Other major college in GA…..Wow, how ’bout those Blue Raiders of the big bad Sun Belt League? :) :)

chipontheroad

September 30th, 2012
11:58 pm

Yea capt that could send PJ packing I loved him at Ga Sou but Tech needs a real off not that mess and I’m a Dawg lover who went to Ga Sou

Capt.Mudd

October 1st, 2012
12:10 am

I should have said plucking wind, I guess.

chipontheroad

October 1st, 2012
12:15 am

Hoss was really pickin and slinging at 3rd today

Capt.Mudd

October 1st, 2012
12:24 am

It would have been rocking bigtime if he got a dinger–like he said, concentration was difficult given all the acknowldgements, accolades and lost sleep.

Venice Jim

October 1st, 2012
12:25 am

Tom Boswell column:

Frustration hung in the air. “I had the first chance to clinch it,” Ross Detwiler said of the first first-place finish in generations. “I sucked,” he said after allowing seven runs while getting only seven outs on 81 ugly pitches.

chipontheroad

October 1st, 2012
12:26 am

He aint done yet

Venice Jim

October 1st, 2012
12:28 am

More Boz:

This is a team that needs to clinch quickly so it can take a day or preferably two days off to clear its head and defrag its nervous system before the playoffs. John Lannan (4-0) goes on Monday; then, if matters still aren’t settled, ace Gio Gonzalez (21-8) works on Tuesday. You don’t want to think further; that way madness lies. The Phils have Cliff Lee slated Wednesday. Of course, the Braves could be sociable and lose. But they seem disinclined.

Venice Jim

October 1st, 2012
12:31 am

See everyone tomorrow…

chipontheroad

October 1st, 2012
12:41 am

Lane Kiffin

October 1st, 2012
12:43 am

Nolie I respect your comments and wish you no ill will. In fact I was on of many wishing you a speedy recovery. Do I agree with everything you say, no. I will defend your right to say them. The point I was trying to make is that it is sad that bloggers have left for whatever reason. How easy is it to just ignore a comment we don’t agree with? Live and let live I say.

There are bloggers on here obsessed about many things but that is their deal not mine.

For whatever reason some think that ace and I are the same person and that Cab and VJ are the same. I hope those that have left will come back just makes things more interesting to me.

Puma

October 1st, 2012
1:07 am

VJ – never read Boswell, seems like a good writer

Puma

October 1st, 2012
1:07 am

VJ – never read Boswell, seems like a good writer

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

October 1st, 2012
1:26 am

”We’ve had rough outings before,” manager Davey Johnson said. ”We’ve ”We’ve had rough outings before,” manager Davey Johnson said. ”We’ve bounced back. It’s better to clinch it at home anyway.”

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

October 1st, 2012
1:27 am

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

October 1st, 2012
1:28 am

”We’ve had rough outings before,” manager Davey Johnson said. ”We’ve bounced back. It’s better to clinch it at home anyway.”

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

October 1st, 2012
1:31 am

davey johnson is a cocky, arrogant crypt keeper ! who is he trying to sike out ??? he knew he wished his team would have closed it out today ! :???:

Puma

October 1st, 2012
1:34 am

Of course he did. And he does seem like a grouchy old man whenever he is quoted, but good manager overall.

Frankie

October 1st, 2012
6:58 am

Would have been great if US wins the Ryder Cup but have to say, it’s pretty hard to feel bad when the Euro’s win this thing. Probably not as big of case as makes out to be, but it just seems it means so much more to the Euro’s. On top of it, they party likes it 1999 so even more respect to them afterwards. Well done by the boys across the pond.
Sure Fredi will get some calls on this blog to be fired for US Captain picks of Furyk and Stricker.

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:05 am

The point I was trying to make is that it is sad that bloggers have left for whatever reason. How easy is it to just ignore a comment we don’t agree with? Live and let live I say.

– Loony Muffin (a.k.a, Lane Kiffin)

Some blog this would be if there were no reactions to others’ comments, good or bad. And when someone posts outrageous, aggressive, nasty, or obsessive posts (your dear off-kilter friends ACE and Jorge_Jorge, among others), yes there’s going to be push-back, Loony. Plenty of it.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
7:10 am

Does anyone still want us to catch up to the Nats?

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:13 am

Me, but shouldn’t I?

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 1st, 2012
7:14 am

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:15 am

So what’s the answer? I’m a-waiting with baited breath.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
7:18 am

You can, I guess, but I’m also thinking of the worst case scenario. If we lose the tiebreaker with the Nats, we have to play again on Friday.Also, we would have played 7 straight (including tiebreaker with WAS) before the play-in Friday. I’m just anxious (scared) about that.

It’s not likely to happen, so I shouldn’t even concern myself with it, but that’s one scary bad situation.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
7:24 am

I’m thinking it may just be better for them to play that play-in. It’s at home and they would get a day off. If they win that game, they know who they’re playing next, and where they will play.

To win the division, they’d have to play on Thursday and win, and then have no idea of who they’re playing or where they are going to play until late Friday night.

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:31 am

Not likely to happen – yes. High stakes, but if the Braves were to tie with the Nats and win, well…

abeeeewright

October 1st, 2012
7:33 am

I don’t get the fear of the play-in game.

It’s an elimination game, just like game 5 of the NLDS and game 7 of the NLCS & WS.

Most every team that wins the WS has to win an elimination game or two during the play-offs.

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:34 am

And I’d add I think the Nats are out of juice. They’re sputtering toward the finish line. Not so the Cards. Which is the tougher opponent for the Braves at this juncture?

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
7:36 am

abee: I’m not really afraid of the play-in game if we go straight to that game. I am a little more worried about it if we tie the Nats and lose to them.

Cards are likely the tougher opponent, but I’ll take my chances with them at home. Beat the Nats in the LDS.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
7:37 am

Yesterday was a very busy day over in the American League. It took two tries, but Texas finally put away the Angels. With that loss by Los Angeles, The Rangers, Yankees, and Orioles all clinched a playoff spot. Oakland will grab the last wild card spot with a win today or a loss by the Angels. And Detroit would take the AL Central with a win or a loss by the floundering White Sox. So the American league can all be sewn up today.

In the senior circuit, Washington failed to put away the Braves, so they’ll try again to clinch the NL East with a win or an Atlanta loss. For the first time, the Cardinals can clinch the last playoff spot today with a win AND a Dodgers loss.

Here’s your magic numbers!

NL East – Washington – 1
NL Central – Cincinnati – clinched
NL West – San Francisco – clinched

NL Playoffs
Washington – clinched
Cincinnati – clinched
San Francisco – clinched
Atlanta – clinched
St. Louis – 2 (relative to Los Angeles)

NL #1 seed – Washington – 3 (own tiebreaker with Cincinnati)
NL #1 wild card – Atlanta – clinched

AL East – New York/Baltimore – 4
AL Central – Detroit – 1
AL West – Texas – 2

AL Playoffs
Texas – clinched
New York – clinched
Baltimore – clinched
Oakland – 1 (relative to Los Angeles)
Detroit – 1 (relative to Chicago for division)

AL #1 seed – Texas – 3 (relative to New York/Baltimore)
AL #1 wild card – New York/Baltimore – 4 (relative to Oakland)

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:39 am

I don’t get the fear of the play-in game.

I get the fear, but the play-in is going to happen and I’m looking forward to it. Could be dramatic.

The preference is for the longer series where one loss doesn’t spell doom (unless it’s the final game of the series).

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
7:40 am

The Brewers had a nice run, but were mathematically eliminated with their loss yesterday. Tampa Bay and Los Angeles were both eliminated from their divisions yesterday, and both are on the verge of postseason elimination today. Each would be eliminated with a loss, and both would be eliminated with a win by Oakland. The White Sox will be sent home packing with their next loss or win by Detroit.

Elimination numbers:

NL Playoffs
Los Angeles – 2 (relative to St. Louis)

AL Playoffs
Los Angeles – 1 (relative to Oakland)
Tampa Bay – 1 (relative to Oakland)
Chicago – 1 (relative to Detroit)

abeeeewright

October 1st, 2012
7:41 am

I don’t think the division race is going to end tonight. Braves win and Nats lose. Would make the Nats have to “go hard” in Gio’s last start. I think the Nats “win in” in that last game.

Wouldn’t be unhappy to see the Nats have to keep playing them like they mean something as late as one game left in the season.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
7:42 am

I was thinking the Braves would have a AAA lineup tonight, but as long as they’re still in the division, I guess you can’t do that. Chipper will get a rest, but the rest will probably be in there.

abeeeewright

October 1st, 2012
7:43 am

If, miracle of miracles, the Dodgers catch the Cardinals, I think the easiest path to the NLDS would be through the Wild Card game without a division play-off game.

Braves would get a day off while Cards/Dodgers play an elimination game in LA. Winner hops on a plane to play another elimination game, potentially in the afternoon if the Yankees get the prime-time play-in game.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
7:45 am

A week or two ago, I crunched some probability numbers in a couple of different scenarios, trying to show that maybe it wouldn’t be so bad for the Braves to “punt” the division crown, in case of a tie with Washington, and go with the wild card.

The math wouldn’t cooperate. It’s pretty clearly more favorable to get to the NLDS through a divisional tiebreaker game.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
7:45 am

The fact that these games mean something is good, but it’s a shame that we can’t get those bench guys more ABs. How can you decide between Overbay and Hinske? Baker? I know it won’t really matter for the play-in, but it will matter if we make the LDS.

abeeeewright

October 1st, 2012
7:48 am

Speaking of historic collapses … what if the Nats actually do lose the division to the Braves and then lose the play-in game to the Cards/Dodgers.

That would be six straight losses to end the season after all-but clinching the division with a week to go.

Couch Tater

October 1st, 2012
7:50 am

The Oriole’s charter makes an emergency stop because of smoke in the cabin.

..I wondered how McLouth learned to relax at the plate again.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-nate-mclouth-0930-20120929,0,5277328.story?page=1

“Phone’s ringin’, Dude.”

“Thank you, Donny.”

abeeeewright

October 1st, 2012
7:52 am

Brian … I get the odds favor the tie-breaker to win the division. I was just saying, what if the team they’re playing is worn out because of a west-coast game followed by an afternoon game on the east coast?

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
7:52 am

I am a little more worried about it if we tie the Nats and lose to them.

I’m more confident of the Braves’ chances against the Nats. Granted, the Braves’ get the Cards at home, but the Nats are wheezing.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
7:55 am

abeee, my analysis didn’t have anything to do with who the Braves would play in the wild card game, or what condition they’d be in, so you surely have a point. If the probability of winning the wild card game goes up to, say…75%, then there’d be a strong case for not wanting the division. Of course, you can’t play based on probabilities like that. It’s just fun for us to think about.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
8:01 am

He’s (McLouth) only 30 years old, so I didn’t understand why he didn’t have his game together,” Duquette said. “We had an opportunity and I wanted to see if we could help him get back to the high level he had performed at in the big leagues.”

Wish we had given him a minor league deal. Now I bet the Orioles keep him for the next few years.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
8:26 am

UKUGA

October 1st, 2012
8:28 am

I like the fear. It means I’m close. It means I’m ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vmpM2FGzU

UKUGA

October 1st, 2012
8:33 am

Interesting that you actually tried to run some numbers on those scenarios Brian.

The way I look at it is this:

If you catch WAS, then you get two chances to win one game.

If you fall short, then you get one chance to win one game.

Advantage: Catch WAS.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
8:36 am

UKUGA, and that is essentially the reason it is mathematically better to tie Washington. You get two shots.

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
8:51 am

Wish we had given him a minor league deal. Now I bet the Orioles keep him for the next few years.

I think we’d need to see much more from McLouth before deciding he’s back on track.

raleighbravefan

October 1st, 2012
8:54 am

Winners play the games in front of them…and win.

Losers whine about how unfair the system is.

JUST WIN!

Jeff R

October 1st, 2012
8:57 am

JUST WIN!

OKAY! ;)

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
8:59 am

Heyward at .221/.262/.369 since August 27th – 31 games, 130 PA’s. His OPS has dropped 48 points in 31 games.

Since June 5th – .282/.339/.511 – 104 games, 440 PA’s.

Since June 19th – .277/.337/.503 – 92 games, 395 PA’s.

raleighbravefan

October 1st, 2012
9:01 am

Efrim – How much has Uggla picked up during that same time?

Ghost of Chipper Jones

October 1st, 2012
9:01 am

McLOUTH did nothing as a BRAVE. He’s an Orio now, and old news to BRAVES fans everywhere. If he does well I congratulate him and wish him well.

But whatever he does, it’s no skin off the BRAVES’ nose. He didn’t fit in our system, and that’s not the BRAVES’ fault. No manner of decrying what he does elsewhere will change that. Would anyone want KYLE FARNSWORTH or MELKY CABRERA back?

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:01 am

Freeman since June 19th – .272/.373/.481 – 90 games, 378 PA’s.

Freeman since August 13th – .217/.322/.428 – 43 games, 180 PA’s.

raleighbravefan

October 1st, 2012
9:05 am

Ghost – Yep, some players have great years and lousy years…Braves have had their share of both. I’ll bet the Yankees had the Javy Vazquez that the Braves had.

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:06 am

How much has Uggla picked up during that same time?

Sunce August 23rd, Dan Uggla has hit .267/.376/.448 in 33 games, 125 PA’s.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
9:06 am

All I want Uggla to do is get 1 more HR and 3 more RBI. That will extend his streak to 7 years with 20+ HR and 80+ RBIs. 2 more walks and he makes 95. A good series, and he can end the season with an OBP just over .350. I’ll take that.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
9:09 am

.278/.372/.474/.846 That one looks better. That’s since August 27. :D

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:12 am

Heyward just completed a .248/.292/.410 September – his worst month of the season. I think the approach is as bad now as it’s been all year. In May, we didn’t see many groundballs to the right side, slow combackers to the pitcher or pop ups to the left side of the infield. Seeing a bit too much of that over the last 30 games. He did hit a couple of balls on Saturday night vs. Chris Young that looked promising – but they just haven’t gone out in Atlanta this year. Of his 27 HR’s, 18 have been on the road.

It’s a shame, as it’s put a damper on the season that Heyward was having through near 130 games.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
9:13 am

The Braves have allowed only four more runs this season than the Nationals.

UKUGA

October 1st, 2012
9:22 am

Spit on the one game play-in if you want. I get it.

But, it has done exactly what MLB wanted and that is create more intensified interest in the final games of the regular season (Yes, I know, last year was amazing, but also an historical anomaly). Just look at the AL East. That is the exact situation everyone discussed for years when promoting the merits of a one game play-off.

Either the Yankees or Orioles will have to play in the one-gamer, so they have more incentive to win the division. It’s entertaining.

Plus, there is no more punting of the division championship if the two teams tie. They have to play head to head on Thursday if they wind up with the same record.

How awesome would it be to have the Yankees-O’s playing in Baltimore while the Braves-Nats played in Washington?

Obama and Romney would BOTH have to throw out an opening pitch.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
9:22 am

The 2011 Braves went 9-18 in September. The 2012 Braves went 19-8

Last year, the team hit .235 in September. This year, they hit .230

Last year, the pitching staff had a 4.17 ERA in September and was hit at a .263 clip. This year, their ERA was 2.39, and were hit at a .205 clip.

Our pitching will have to be solid if we are to advance far into the playoffs. Hopefully Dan and Prado’s hot streaks are enough for this offense.

Trey

October 1st, 2012
9:30 am

UKUGA, I was against it, when MLB first announced it, into existence. Who knew the Braves would have been in it, when it first came out? However, now they have they Cardinals standing in their way, to the real playoffs, once again, and I don’t like that one bit.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
9:34 am

The Cardinals will pitch Garcia tonight, and Carpenter tomorrow. They are out of the picture for Friday. If they have not clinched, they will need to use Wainwright on Wednesday. If they end up tied with LA, they’ll need Lohse on Thursday, leaving Lynn for Friday.

Probably the most likely scenario is Lohse pitching against Atlanta. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wainwright out of the picture, though. All the more reason to want the Dodgers to stay in there.

The Dodgers will have to use Kershaw on Wednesday. That leaves Blanton for a Thursday game with St. Louis and Beckett for Friday in Atlanta.

cloudodust

October 1st, 2012
9:35 am

With the variety of ‘What if’s’ mentioned throughout this blog, what if the Braves get rained out tomorrow (70% rain in Pittsburgh on Tuesday) and have to play 2 on Wednesday to settle things?

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:36 am

Freeman’s last 17 games: .274/.319/.548/.867… the bad news, 4 walks and 20 k’s. It appears he is trying to swing harder through this slump. Just needs to get back to what he’s good at. Use the entire field. Take his walks.

Brian from SC

October 1st, 2012
9:36 am

As far as I can tell, there is no chance that the Braves see a LHP (except for tonight) until the NLDS.

raleighbravefan

October 1st, 2012
9:38 am

I don’t normally care much about the AL, but I will have to admit that I am somewhat intrigued by Baltimore…and the AL east race. My dream would be for Orioles to win division, and for the Yankees to lose to the A’s in the WC. If the Yankees lost in a 1 game elimination, I have no doubt it would be changed before next year. :)

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:40 am

If they end up tied with LA

Just seems unlikely that they end up tied. But I am very happy to see the Braves have the Pirates to play while the Dodgers and Giants match up and the Reds and Cards match up… And the Phillies and Nats match up.

I would love a sweep of the Pirates, two home runs and a double for Chipper and for the rest of the team to work out all the kinks in their swings.

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:40 am

In his last 20 games, Heyward has hit .205/.259/.359 – no walks, no power, no hits overall. Just bad baseball.

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:42 am

If the Yankees lost in a 1 game elimination, I have no doubt it would be changed before next year.

Ha! That would be funny. It will probably happen, but it will be funny watching them vomit out all these platitudes for changing what is already a convoluted and terrible play-off set up.

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:42 am

And really it’s the last 17 games – .197/.229/.364 – 70 PA’s.

usnavyvolfaninva

October 1st, 2012
9:44 am

Thanks, CHipper, for 20 awesome years. Will proudly wear my #10 Chipper Jones shirt (not every day, because that’ll get funky), but a big CJ fan through and through.

Murph

October 1st, 2012
9:45 am

Last year, the pitching staff had a 4.17 ERA in September and was hit at a .263 clip. This year, their ERA was 2.39, and were hit at a .205 clip.

Further illustrates that the best moves made by the front office this were getting rid of Lowe and putting Medlen in the rotation.

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:45 am

I would love a sweep of the Pirates, two home runs and a double for Chipper and for the rest of the team to work out all the kinks in their swings.

It’s really just Heyward and Freeman that seem to be fighting it. Specifically Heyward. Bourn hasn’t been around, but he did have a good game yesterday. Heyward has been an automatic out as of late and the at bats have been as bad as I’ve seen this year.

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:48 am

Braves have potential if they can get to the real playoffs and if Heyward and Bourn can bounce back. Everything else seems to be working well.

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:49 am

It’s really just Heyward and Freemam…

Hinske could use a make over. That guy has been terrible for well over a year.

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:50 am

Chipper’s September: .230/.356/.297/.653

The team still needs him to be more than a singles hitter.

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:51 am

Man, since his trip to NY at the beginning of Sept… .193/.356/.228/.584 (19 games). He needs to get that turned around.

TennesseePaul

October 1st, 2012
9:53 am

It boils down to needed to get Heyward, Freeman, Chipper, and McCann going and hope the recent success of everyone else carries through the end of October.

phil

October 1st, 2012
9:53 am

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:40 am

In his last 20 games, Heyward has hit .205/.259/.359 – no walks, no power, no hits overall. Just bad baseball.
************
It’s crunch time….can’t expect Wayward to carry his weight with all that pressure. :roll:

It will all likely be over with in 5 more days anyway.

Murph

October 1st, 2012
9:54 am

Hinske just needs to go away. Not just away, but Scott Proctor, North Korea away. He’s pretty much the most worthless bench player the Braves have had in years.

I know he came up big for the team a while back, and that’s great… but I can’t even remember the last time the dude got on base, let alone actually produced.

That being said, I don’t know that Overbay is much better. The guy seems to have completely forgot how to hit. He’s had, what, one hit since being called up? And I’m pretty sure his eyes were closed when he swung that time.

The team really needs to address the bench next season. If Mejia isn’t going to ever crack the starting lineup, is there a reason why he wouldn’t make a good backup?

phil

October 1st, 2012
9:54 am

Chipper deserves to be booed, as Disgusted says…

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
9:55 am

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
I’d guess all but Hanson. “@JordanP87: @ajcbraves do the Braves go to a 3 or 4 man rotation in the playoffs and who’s in it?”

As it should be…

Efrim

October 1st, 2012
9:55 am

It boils down to needed to get Heyward, Freeman, Chipper, and McCann going and hope the recent success of everyone else carries through the end of October.

Yeah, I guess I don’t consider Freeman struggling too bad. Forgot about Chipper – he hasn’t been good lately. McCann…well, I sorta just think it’s gonna be a fight for him through the end this year. We need Chipper and Jason to get going. Team was 15th in OPS in September, and 11th in the 2nd half. Bad.

TheOnlyBravesFan

October 1st, 2012
9:57 am

I don’t see how we can choose between Hinske and Overbay for the bench. How does either of them make the LDS roster? How?

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