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CB

September 28th, 2012
3:32 pm

scoots, I see you need to slow Dabo down. :-)

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

You attack the best part of their lineup with your best reliever, late in a close game, no matter if it’s the last inning or not.

Because most ML pitchers, most of the time, can get three outs in the 9th, correct?

You never follow this to its logical conclusion, though. If the above statement is true, then is it not also true for a different inning, say the 7th, or 8th, or whenever you think you should be using the “best reliever”? And, if so, then, because one does not know if a further high-leverage moment will occur, does it not become logical to save the better reliever for use when fewer outs are left to recover from failure, if indeed such situations occur?

Well, of course, it does.

Brian from SC

September 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

With a lefty on the mound, you stand a better chance at the plate with Reed Johnson, even if Bourn is about 100%. Good place to give him an extra day. Hope he’s healthy for the postseason.

Joe in SoCal

September 28th, 2012
3:36 pm

SPAM is a delicacy in Hawaii. Great story Dave. I have Chippers Rookie card, as well a Mad Dog’s, which will be well preserved for the Grand kid’s someday. I remember seeing him blow his knee out going to first and thinking “man we just lost out on a good one”. Thank God for medical advances! Chipper is one-of-a-kind in this day and age. A real ballplayer. True Grit meets The Natural. Here’s hoping for a story book ending. ONE TIME! For the Chipper!

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

I see you need to slow Dabo down

Can’t be done. Dude grew up drinking the same water as Medlen, I think. :-)

And a high-five to nolie and the Criminoles. We flat could not stop them sumbees last week.

Bat Masterson

September 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

Does anyone I a link to the creative loafing article? I forgot which blog it is on.

monty

September 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

Teams of destiny just keep overcoming all obstacles. Each game is just another step closer to the ultimate prize and greatness. 10 teams are in it(I think) and only one gets it. This is why we play. Only booby prizes for the rest.

kenhotlanta

September 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

Thanks, DOB, for the great tribute to Chipper.

nolie: welcome back, my friend, hope things are much better for you.

Animus

September 28th, 2012
3:40 pm

CB

September 28th, 2012
3:42 pm

scoots,I hope we are talking about same thing. He got a speeding ticket from a trooper who was a SC fan. Trooper claims he was fired for it. LOL

Bat Masterson

September 28th, 2012
3:42 pm

Thanks, Animus.

Sopheee

September 28th, 2012
3:43 pm

Not sure if someone already posted this but rare Chipper photos from SI -

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/chipper.jones.rare.photos/content.1.html

Can’t believe this is almost it.

Salt life

September 28th, 2012
3:43 pm

scoots……saw a bumper sticker after national championship. “Clemson may be number 1 but they smell like number 2″.

FYI….I like Clemson

kenhotlanta

September 28th, 2012
3:43 pm

If you folks aren’t watching “Caught Looking”, you’re missing one of the best inside Basball shows ever. It’s an outstanding recap of the previous week with tons of quotes and miked players. It’s really well done.

Cracker

September 28th, 2012
3:45 pm

DOB, I hope it feels good to do your best work when it really matters, much like Chipper himself.

3trees

September 28th, 2012
3:46 pm

Very nice piece, David and a GREAT song selection. Said it before when you featured their material, but probably the best R&R band of the 80’s.

Thanks to you and Chipper

Nowhere man

September 28th, 2012
3:46 pm

only O’brien would make the story about himself on a day of tribute to Chipper.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
3:48 pm

Trooper claims he was fired for it.

Now, that I had not heard. Dabo going fast is old news, though. He’s always behind schedule (I hear), and probably 90% of his weekday business is out of town, so he’s always driving somewhere. Speed limits are just suggestions, LOL.

ncbravesfan90

September 28th, 2012
3:48 pm

Per Rotoworld:

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that Kyle Lohse is expected to start a potential Wild Card game against the Braves.
Just as the Braves are doing by choosing Kris Medlen over Tim Hudson, the Cardinals are choosing their hottest pitcher rather than the one with more of a track record in Adam Wainwright. Lohse has had a terrific year, going 16-3 while posting a 2.77 ERA, and he’s allowed two or fewer earned runs in 16 of his last 18 outings. Wainwright would surely get the ball in Game 1 of the NLDS if the Cards can get past the Braves.
Related: Adam Wainwright
Source: Joe Strauss on Twitter

Sopheee

September 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

Great blog, DOB. Thanks as usual.

phil

September 28th, 2012
3:50 pm

Nowhere man

September 28th, 2012
3:46 pm

only O’brien would make the story about himself on a day of tribute to Chipper.
*************
That’s not nice, George George….

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
3:51 pm

saw a bumper sticker after national championship

Oh, man, I was cleaning out some stuff from one of the kitchen cabinets at my parents’ house, and came across a bottle of Nehi Orange soda (unopend) that was tributed to the 81 team. Couldn’t believe that my father had kept that thing all those years.

TennesseePaul

September 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

You shouldn’t save your best reliever for the 9th, if the other team’s best are coming up in the 7th or 8th, because of the possibility that those hitters come back around again in the 9th.

You realize you are stating that you shouldn’t make a move based on a future possibility, while arguing for making moves based on future possibilities, right?

CB

September 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

scoots,read it on SI college football site. Yes,I’m sure a lot of them are out speeding to the next recruit.

TennesseePaul

September 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

Can’t believe this is almost it.

I can’t believe that sofa.

Sopheee

September 28th, 2012
3:56 pm

Apparently, plaid was happenin’ in ‘93.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

Honoring Chipper tonight and idiots still abound… sigh

Would it be wrong for a teen male and baseball player to cry tonight? Cuz I’m thinking that’s gonna happen…

phil

September 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

The SI picture of Bobby and Chipper laying into that umpire just became my screen saver…..

Terrific shot.

MFin04

September 28th, 2012
3:59 pm

“Lohse has had a terrific year, going 16-3 while posting a 2.77 ERA, and he’s allowed two or fewer earned runs in 16 of his last 18 outings.”

Well the Braves aren’t gonna try to score more than 2 runs anyways so this works to our advantage! :)

Met R Best

September 28th, 2012
4:02 pm

Beware Braves fans!!! The Mighty Metropolitans and the great David Wright are on a roll. We just whipped up on two opponents; the Miami Marlins, who we swept and the Pittsburg Pirates who we just took 3 out of 4 from. Why the great play? Because the Mighty Mets have transformed into an offensive machine. They are capable of taking any team down. Any team. I just hope the umpires will call a fair game this series, not like the last series at Turner field when the Mets got ripped off by bad calls.
..Watch out Braves fans and be afraid because the Mighty Mets are in town and they aim to spoil Atlanta’s party.

Tremble Braves fans, tremble.

Bat Masterson

September 28th, 2012
4:04 pm

Thanks for the link, Soph.

Salt life

September 28th, 2012
4:05 pm

Met R Best…..we’ll take our chances

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:06 pm

We just whipped up on two opponents; the Miami Marlins, who we swept

I’m fairly sure that the East Cobb All-Stars could sweep the Miami Marlins at this point in the season.

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:06 pm

Met R Best….

One of the truly dependable morons from other teams that we can count on to make a regular appearance to enlighten us with some kind of lunacy.

Salt life

September 28th, 2012
4:09 pm

Soph….those pictures were amazing…..Jeff Blauser an all star! Will wonders never cease?

I must have blocked that memory from my mind

Bat Masterson

September 28th, 2012
4:09 pm

Tremble Braves fans, tremble.

Nice, thanks

:lol:

MFin04

September 28th, 2012
4:11 pm

Do you think an umpire is actually gonna call a 3rd strike on Chipper in these last however many games? I doubt it.

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
4:14 pm

Because most ML pitchers, most of the time, can get three outs in the 9th, correct?

You never follow this to its logical conclusion, though. If the above statement is true, then is it not also true for a different inning, say the 7th, or 8th, or whenever you think you should be using the “best reliever”? And, if so, then, because one does not know if a further high-leverage moment will occur, does it not become logical to save the better reliever for use when fewer outs are left to recover from failure, if indeed such situations occur?

Yes, many perhaps most major league pitchers can get three outs in the 9th to preserve a 1-3 run lead. But don’t you want your best reliever pitching when you are most desperate to prevent a run? Say the game is tied in the 7th or 8th with absolute beasts coming up. Probably a lot more important to use your best run-preventer there than to save him in hopes that he can get a save in the 9th. Or maybe it doesn’t matter if you give up runs there because wishing and hoping that that reliever can get a save is much more important than whether your team blows the game in the 7th or 8th.

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:15 pm

The umps will show little favor….they want those cush postseason gigs calling foul balls down the lines….

You know…the ones an ape couldn’t screw up, yet somehow it does seem to happen now and then.

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:15 pm

The save statistic is by far the most important number in all of baseball….

No close second.

Nowhere man

September 28th, 2012
4:22 pm

Will Chipper’s ex wives and Hooter GF be on the stage tonight? They have been a part of this too.

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
4:22 pm

You realize you are stating that you shouldn’t make a move based on a future possibility, while arguing for making moves based on future possibilities, right?

You make all moves based on future possibilities. What I’m arguing against is any team tying it’s best reliever down to pitching the 9th inning or the last inning, mostly with a 1-3-run lead. Would a team save it’s best pinch-hitter for a certain inning and only when the team is up by 1-3 runs? No. Because their is not a stat or a rule based around it.

StingerSplash

September 28th, 2012
4:24 pm

Ahh … the great Redrunkments … a mighty fine band indeed. Very nice call, DOB. Very nice call.
Thanks for the insight on what it’s been like to cover Chipper, whose had his own personal yet public foibles because of the stage he’s on.

So where do you stand on Paul Westerberg’s solo stuff?

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:25 pm

The save statistic is by far the most important number in all of baseball….

No close second.

phil, I honestly cannot tell if you are saying this as a serious statement, or with extreme sarcasm. You have made statements before that I’ve agreed with, as well as a few that I have not. Unsure which category this will fall into.

Sopheee

September 28th, 2012
4:26 pm

Should’ve done and over/under on how many twitterers would ask DOB what time the Chipper ceremony would start.

George_George

September 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

Main blog today is a excellent personal tribute to CHIPPER. Well done DAVID. I just got off phone with AJC,ordered Sundays paper mailed to me[ cost$8.70] for CHIPPER hard copy insert.

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

Should’ve done and over/under on how many twitterers would ask DOB what time the Chipper ceremony would start.

30 minutes before the seats are filled?

Badum-dum!

Mixxo

September 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

Nice piece Dave.

MLBTV’s Rundown also having a great piece on Chipper’s career. :cool:

TennesseePaul

September 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

many perhaps most major league pitchers can get three outs in the 9th to preserve a 1-3 run lead. But don’t you want your best reliever pitching when you are most desperate to prevent a run?

Many, perhaps most, major league pitchers can get three outs in an innings, as you agreed. So logically it would follow that the most desperate time to prevent runs comes at a time when there is zero chance of future opportunities.

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

Come on, RC….you know – lol

and Nowhere man, can’t you come up with something, anything better than the stupid Hooters reference? Honestly….

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:29 pm

Come on, RC….you know – lol

Ok, good to hear. Worried me there for a second…..

George_George

September 28th, 2012
4:31 pm

I see the CHIPPER haters can’t stay away, but bet they would not spend money to come to ballpark to boo him. LET CHIPPER HAVE HIS WEEKEND, GET LOST JERKS.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:31 pm

than whether your team blows the game in the 7th or 8th.

Blow the lead there, and you still have 3 or 6 outs to regain it. Blow it in the 9th, and you have none.

It has nothing to do with the “statistic”, which is where you always run off the rails. It has to do with managing risk, which is optimus prime for bullpen management.

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:33 pm

Many, perhaps most, major league pitchers can get three outs in an innings, as you agreed. So logically it would follow that the most desperate time to prevent runs comes at a time when there is zero chance of future opportunities.

Which would mean you WOULD use your closer in a tie-game in the 9th on the road, right?

That’s sort of where I fall out…while I understand Shaun’s point that no inning is more “special” than the next, I do think that there is a human element that plays in here and pitchers view the 9th differently, which in effect causes it to BE different. So I’ve got no problem having a guy who’s “role” is the 9th inning.

HOWEVER, I don’t get why managers refuse to use the closer in the 9th inning of a tie game on the road. At that point you are not sure to have ANY future innings if you don’t stop run scoring RIGHT NOW, so it makes logical sense to use the person most likely to not give up a run.

TennesseePaul

September 28th, 2012
4:33 pm

Would a team save it’s best pinch-hitter for a certain inning and only when the team is up by 1-3 runs?

Actually, you’re on the wrong side of the ball with that example. To be apt, it would be stated: “Would a team save it’s best pinch-hitter for a certain inning and only when the team is down by 1-3 runs?”
And with that I would think so. Teams don’t pinch hit in the 3rd, 4th or try not to in the fifth. But, if the pitcher they are pinch hitting for is getting shellacked early, they aren’t using their best pinch hitter in the 2nd, even if they are down. They still aim to save that guy for the later innings.

Lane Kiffin

September 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

I thought this place would be buzzing today. Not so much. Go Chipper.

Mixxo

September 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

I had the pleasure of meeting Chipper one on one before the ‘99 season. He was very cordial, extended his hand for a shake and I wished him a good year.

He wound up winning the MVP. I like to think it was because of my best wishes. :D

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

The most important number is actually holds…

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
4:35 pm

TennesseePaul, many, perhaps most, major league pitchers can get 3 outs in an inning, most of the time, before a team scores 1-3 runs. That’s more of a reason to use your best reliever in perhaps a tied game in the 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th inning with the other team’s best hitters due up, and let a lesser reliever pitch the 9th when you have a lead (i.e., in a save situation).

Most relievers can pitch well enough in a majority of save situations to not blow a save. But not all relievers are equally skilled at doing things to increase the chances of preventing runs.

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:37 pm

Get down to the stadium, Mixxo, and shake his hand again, for crying out loud….

kenhotlanta

September 28th, 2012
4:38 pm

scoots: I searched eBay and some other sites for that Nehi bottle and didn’t find anything. A few Nehi commemorative bottles were $5-10, but a Baseball collectible could and should bring more.

boondawg

September 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

Dave, I bet this one was hard to write. I know as a 37 year old fan, that there is going to be elements of Chipper’s last few games that are going to be difficult to watch. Life passes by. This will mark another chapter for me that has ended.

Mixxo

September 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

Lane Kiffin -

I’m buzzin’ Laney (au naturalle that is.) OK, I’m jacked up on caffeine, getting prepped for the celebration tonight.

Gonna be a tall order for a W against Niese, but I think the magic is happening down this stretch.

Sopheee

September 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

While you’re there scope out Hanson too. Give him a firm handshake and a kick in the behind from me.

TennesseePaul

September 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

That’s more of a reason to use your best reliever in perhaps a tied game in the 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th inning with the other team’s best hitters due up, and let a lesser reliever pitch the 9th when you have a lead

That is the assumption then, that you gain the lead prior to the 9th. However, for some reason you implied it is not proper to assume as much earlier.
I still assert that know one could possibly know the future, and as such it cannot merely be assumed that the “absolute beasts” will not be appearing at a future time, when all one has left is a lesser pitcher and no more offensive opportunities.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:40 pm

Most relievers can pitch well enough in a majority of save situations

Define “majority”. Exactly how many blown saves would you be willing to suffer to implement your “best reliever” strategy? Or a percentage, whatever. Keeping in mind that the “best relievers” are blowing a very, very few oppportunities (if they’re blowing more, then they obviously are not the “best reliever”).

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:40 pm

TennesseePaul, many, perhaps most, major league pitchers can get 3 outs in an inning, most of the time, before a team scores 1-3 runs. That’s more of a reason to use your best reliever in perhaps a tied game in the 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th inning with the other team’s best hitters due up, and let a lesser reliever pitch the 9th when you have a lead (i.e., in a save situation).

Most relievers can pitch well enough in a majority of save situations to not blow a save. But not all relievers are equally skilled at doing things to increase the chances of preventing runs.

Shaun, that being said, isn’t is POSSIBLE that there is a psychological element, however irrational, that could cause some pitchers to not perform as well in the 9th inning as others. If most pitchers can get 3 outs most of the time anyway, then we are talking very marginal improvements with your plan anyway, and if there IS any psychological element, then it’s possible it would outweigh the marginal improvements gained on paper anyway.

For the record, yes, I am attempting to argue both sides of this argument :)

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:41 pm

Define “majority”. Exactly how many blown saves would you be willing to suffer to implement your “best reliever” strategy?

Wouldn’t you still have these blown saves if you were using a lesser reliever in the 7th? You’d just have a blown save in the 7th or 8th instead of the 9th….either way, you lose.

George_George

September 28th, 2012
4:41 pm

HOWEVER, I don’t get why managers refuse to use the closer in the 9th inning of a tie game on the road. At that point you are not sure to have ANY future innings if you don’t stop run scoring RIGHT NOW, so it makes logical sense to use the person most likely to not give up a run.
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I have been saying the above all year,it is a good example that FREDI does not use his bullpen well. He may have 91 wins but is still mentally slow.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:42 pm

but a Baseball collectible could and should bring more.

ken, we were discussing the Clemson national championship in football. The bottle commemorated that, not baseball. Unless I missed part of a discussion somewhere, LOL.

Mixxo

September 28th, 2012
4:43 pm

While you’re there scope out Hanson too. Give him a firm handshake and a kick in the behind from me. – Sopheee

lol

I’d probably break his hand….the wuss. :D

Wish I could go Soph, but already had plans tonight and gotta show to do tomorrow.

ChipperIsGod

September 28th, 2012
4:43 pm

DOB, that was a beautiful article, also listening to the song you posted and I love it. Never heard this one, thank you.

Also, just wanted to say ever since I’ve been reading this blog starting two years back, I’ve absolutely loved every single story you and Carroll have posted. It’s a pleasure reading it and offers some great insight into my favorite team ever. Thank you.

Thinking about Chipper and listening to this song is getting me misty eyed as I’m working right now. It’s a shame about attendance, I’d go to every game if I could. I’ve been to around 10 or 11 this year, but being a student at SCAD, I just don’t have the money or time to go to as many games as I want to. Atlanta traffic just blows and the way the city is set up doesn’t help things, especially in relation to where the Ted is. Funny how the Nats, Reds and Braves are in the middle of the pack when they have such good teams this year.

I can’t wait to see #10 on Sunday. Wish I could go tonight and tomorrow, but I’ve got too much work to do. Chipper has meant so much to me. I literally don’t remember a time when Chipper wasn’t in my life as I have watched the Braves. Being only 22, I can’t remember anything about 91 or 92 (even though my parents took me to games then as a baby), but I always have remembered Chipper.

Whenever I think of the Braves I always think of Chipper. Every game I’ve gone to this year (where he’s played, which has thankfully been most of them) he’s always done something special. Bobblehead night, the night we swept the Nationals, hitting a jack against the Mets and so many others. I remember doing the tomohawk chop after Chipper laced that pitch of Gio for an RBI and I was just on the verge of tears. I can’t believe it’s all coming to an end. It makes me incredibly sad, but I think this is the perfect time for Chipper to leave the game. He wants to spend more time with his family, and sadly can’t play as much as he used to. This is also the best team we’ve had since I’d say 2003. I think we have a legitimate shot and nothing would make me happier to see Chipper go out on top. I know it’s somewhat of a long shot, but man, that’d be the perfect ending.

Regardless, Chipper will always be in my thoughts, my heart and with me until the day I die. He gave everything he had to this organization, this city and the fans.

WIN FOR THE CHIPPER! NEVER SAY DIE! GO BRAVES!!!

RC

September 28th, 2012
4:45 pm

I have been saying the above all year,it is a good example that FREDI does not use his bullpen well. He may have 91 wins but is still mentally slow.

I don’t know that he’s mentally slow…I think he’s afraid to go away from the “accepted” way to use a bullpen. He actually made some strides in this area late in the year…using Kimbrel in a tie game on the road once, and bringing him in to get the last out of the 8th once with men on base. I disagree with Fredi as much as anything, and if he bats Constanza leadoff again or has Prado show bunt prior to the 7th inning I may lose my mind, but he has at least shown some promise of improving. That’s more than can be said for about half the managers in MLB.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 28th, 2012
4:45 pm

George_George:

Slow? The pot calling the kett;le black.

So you’ve mot noticed any change in FREDDI’s approach to team management over the past two seasons, especially the last half of this one……..right?

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

You’d just have a blown save in the 7th or 8th instead of the 9th….either way, you lose.

Only if the team were unable to regain the lead after the blown save, utilizing the outs remaining to it to produce runs. Cough it up when your team has no more outs left, and you’re a dead certain loser.

kenhotlanta

September 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

scoots: My bad. I didn’t see any of them either. I have a ton of UGA bottles (mostly Coke) and they ain’t worth diddlysquat. I’m tired of lugging them around. :)

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

For the record, yes, I am attempting to argue both sides of this argument

This is why I love you, man. :-)

George_George

September 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

I am so hyped for tonight. Outta here have a good one.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

George_George:

I take you to task young man where FREDI is concerned……recently anyhow..

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

RC, perhaps there is a human element to be considered regarding the 9th inning being different than other innings. I would argue, however, that that doesn’t necessarily mean your best reliever needs to be your closer.

Blow the lead there, and you still have 3 or 6 outs to regain it. Blow it in the 9th, and you have none.

It has nothing to do with the “statistic”, which is where you always run off the rails. It has to do with managing risk, which is optimus prime for bullpen management.

Well, if it’s about risk management, the 9th inning is not the highest-leverage inning in a typical game, according to folks who have looked in to this in detail.

Also, I’ll take the risk that some lesser reliever can convert a save and use my best reliever when the other team is most likely to score the run that wins the game, whether it be in the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, whenever.

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

September 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 28th, 2012
4:49 pm

George_George:

Oh no, you don’t skip out now. Us FREDI sycophants are taking you to task on his behalf.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 28th, 2012
4:51 pm

Shaun:

Ala, last game.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:52 pm

Well, if it’s about risk management, the 9th inning is not the highest-leverage inning in a typical game, according to folks who have looked in to this in detail.

You’re confusing risk with leverage, fercrissake. In this context, they aren’t even close to the same thing. Geez louise.

Do you have life insurance? If so, do you remember why you bought it?

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:52 pm

ChipperIsGod – Very well said…..

MFin04

September 28th, 2012
4:52 pm

If Kimbrel can win the Cy Young, doesn’t that mean Kris Medlen SHOULD win the Cy Young? He was relatively as good out of the bullpen and has been even better as a starter. ;) 11 starts with a 1.04 ERA while going 8-0.

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
4:53 pm

I have been saying the above all year,it is a good example that FREDI does not use his bullpen well. He may have 91 wins but is still mentally slow.

Nah. Fredi is a good, conventional manager. The problem is not with Fredi, it’s with baseball conventions.

Last year, he was worse. This year he’s over-managing less, which is good. I’d prefer someone who makes the moves that make sense over someone who is conventional. But a manager who goes as far as he can and still be a conventional manager, like Fredi this year, is the next best thing.

Murph

September 28th, 2012
4:53 pm

PT is at the game tonight… and he just got engaged. If anyone is at the game go find him and shake his hand… or ask him what in the holy heck he was thinking.

ncscoots

September 28th, 2012
4:54 pm

Honestly, people, I apologize. I don’t know why I even get into this reliever conversation, anymore. I’m sure it bores the ever-lovin’ bleep out of most folks. Sometimes, I just can’t stop myself from doing things that I know will end badly. I still go out with redheads, too, so there you go. :-)

MFin04

September 28th, 2012
4:54 pm

In a week or so I wouldn’t mind buying one of those Nationals’ shirts for $50 or so.

Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 28th, 2012
4:55 pm

Enter your comments here

O.M.G.

September 28th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ghost, how is the wife doing?

phil

September 28th, 2012
4:59 pm

Play on, Chipper Jones…..

I’ve said it all year, after a sweet hit of some kind.

Soon, he’ll only play in our memories, like Dale Murphy, Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine, Kniekro, even Bob Horner, maybe a comical sort like Bruce Benedict or Rufino Linares.

Man do i hate to see him go. Wish we could send him out with a title. Just too much to ask for, isn’t it?

George_George

September 28th, 2012
5:00 pm

richbrave 4:49
I did not know yopu were such a great FREDI supporter. Kimbrel lost that last game last year because he was dead tired FREDI wore him and others out, almost ruined VENTERS forever. FREDI cannot manage a bullpen.

doug

September 28th, 2012
5:01 pm

No Shaun, you don’t want to use the closer in 6th or 7th. If you use him in the 6th against the opponents bad boys, then those same guys WILL hit again, and if you use him in the 7th, you are just a walk and a bloop away from those same bad dudes hitting again in a far more dangerous spot, with less time to recover from it.

George_George

September 28th, 2012
5:04 pm

Now outta here, it is going to be a great night, but oh my how we will miss CHIPPER next year.

Salt life

September 28th, 2012
5:05 pm

scoots “still go out with red heads”

Ha! I married one.

Anxious to to see the hour long tribute to Chipper on Fox South at 6

MFin04

September 28th, 2012
5:07 pm

“Wish we could send him out with a title. Just too much to ask for, isn’t it?”

I’ve said all year long they have a shot at winning the World Series. They have 3 starting pitchers. Best bullpen in the league. Pretty deep lineup. Speed. Best defensive outfield in the league. Best defensive SS in the league. And a guy on his retirement tour. If Dan Uggla and/or Brian McCann can get going and Michael Bourn comes back rested they have a shot. Gotta win the division or the stupid play-in game, but after that they have a shot.

Shaun

September 28th, 2012
5:07 pm

George_George, I’m not so sure it was a mistake for Fredi to use those relievers so much last season. They missed the playoffs by a game. We could just as easily blame that on injuries to Hanson and Jurrjens and key position players, like Prado and Heyward, dealing with injury issues for a huge chunk of the season. In some ways I think we can credit Fredi for going all out and trying to win close games by throwing his best relievers. He probably could have picked his spots better but I’m not sure that’s one of the top few reasons the Braves didn’t make the playoffs.

I do think he deserves credit for picking his spots this year, which is in many ways unrelated to what went on last year. It’s a new season with new scenarios.

StingerSplash

September 28th, 2012
5:07 pm

DOB, your retrospect on what it was like when you were a younger beat writer made me think about the times I’ve been in certain establishments, such as one Spring Street, and the DJ booms out “(Name of Cy Young winner goes here) is in the house!” or sitting at a well known spot on Dale Mabry Blvd and a Hall of Famer whose nickname rhymes with Hister Mocktober sits next to me and proceeds to enjoy the company of a young lady for $35 a song. Yeah, can’t get away with that behavior in the digital social media age.

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