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Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
I’m not sure that has anything to do with how those guys produce next season.
What’s magically going to happen to make them produce next season? Delgado has been up and down over the last 2 seasons, Teheran seemed to degress, Minor has a very small sample size of success, Hudson has been more inconsistant this season than past and won’t be getting any younger, Beachy is recovering from TJ surgery.
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:02 pm
Frankie, you’re right. But a little slow on the Braves front today. Kinda sum it up: Beat the Fish and hope that the Phils beat the Nats. Hope Hanson pitches well tonight to help make the former happen.
One game at a time!
George_George
September 27th, 2012
12:04 pm
Got the MIL @ REDS game on. FRAZIER for ROY.
DAP
September 27th, 2012
12:04 pm
efrim A middle of the order of Heyward, Freeman, Uggla, McCann LH banger for LF is just simply not going to be that great vs. LHP
fine. as i was saying, if what we are really looking for is a guy to hit lefties, there are plenty of guys like that available. cody ross, jonny gomes, scott hairston, reed johnson, delmon young, ryan ludwick, all outfielders who crush lefties, and are free agents. if thats what we want, we can get that, no prob.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
Delgado was traded for Dempster. MLBTraderumors pulled articles from credible sources and the Cubs were ecstatic with the return they got for 2 months of Ryan. Given the needs in the outfield, I have a hard time seeing Delgado in this organization at the start of the 2013 season.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
12:05 pm
MLBTradeRumors, Mark Bowman, ESPN, many other baseball analysts… the deal was agreed upon by Frank Wren and Jed Hoyer. Dempster didn’t approve it, thank God.
And that is what happened when Frank was desperate. I’d rather him sign a FA pitcher and feel secure about our rotation that have him be in that situation again.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
Sorry ncscoots, I wouldn’t have posted my last commit had I seen your 12:00 specially since you say it more eloquently.
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
Delgado was not traded. Ken Griffey Jr. never played outfield for the Braves and Furcal spurned our offer and remained with LA – despite done deals.
A trade ain’t a trade if no one was traded.
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
What’s magically going to happen to make them produce next season? Delgado has been up and down over the last 2 seasons, Teheran seemed to degress, Minor has a very small sample size of success, Hudson has been more inconsistant this season than past and won’t be getting any younger, Beachy is recovering from TJ surgery.
How do I answer this?
The Braves have won 90 games and counting. Would this have anything to do with the strengths of the current pitching staff?
Delgado’s a kid. The expectation these days that pitchers are supposed to mature and produce at 21 amazes me.
Teheran did step back, but is still highly regarded. Not every prospect is going to follow a perfect trend line up.
Hudson’s pitched pretty darn good this season in my estimation. He is an older pitcher with an injury history. That is most certainly a concern. But he’s a disciplined athlete who works hard at his conditioning. I think Wren bets on Hudson to produce next season. Of course, we’ll see.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:09 pm
Frank only mentioned 4 untouchables this past offseason.. and guess what? 1 of them are already gone, another one was shopped and yet another seemed to regress.
We traded Hoover, Redmond and Chapmen… I really don’t think Wren has an issue with trading SP prospect.. cause then again, they are prospects.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
12:10 pm
A trade ain’t a trade if no one was traded.
There was an agreement between the Cubs and Braves and placed in front of Ryan Dempster for approval – it was later found out that Dempster rejected the trade because he didn’t want to come to Atlanta for whatever reason. You’re in denial, Lew.
Frankie
September 27th, 2012
12:12 pm
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:06 pm
“Delgado was not traded. Ken Griffey Jr. never played outfield for the Braves and Furcal spurned our offer and remained with LA – despite done deals.
A trade ain’t a trade if no one was traded.
”
Enough of that please. It was done for all practical purposes, it was never finalized. Quit denying though. Just like “not the Braves way” to trade young arms for rentals. Dempster refused and that’s the only reason he’s not a Brave. Lot of people here are happy it didn’t happen and that’s fine. I think the reversal will hurt their chances of getting to the World Series, that’s just a opinion.
Still a trade isn’t a trade if no was traded is just hogwash in this case.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
12:13 pm
It might not have been a “trade” Lew, but you can’t deny that Frank Wren agreed to trade Delgado for Dempster.
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:14 pm
No – I’m NOT indenial. Is Dempster a Brave? No. Is Delgado still on our 40 man roster? Yes. Hence, there was no trade. We never got Barry Bonds from the Pirates, either.
The willingness to do something is only a done deal if you’re in a Philip K. Dick novel or movie like Minority Report. Y’all can go by MLBTR all you want, but I’ll wait until players actually change teams before I claim there was a trade.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:14 pm
I think Wren bets on Hudson to produce next season
Yeah, I think there’s no doubt about that. I’d be completely surprised if we didn’t see Hudson, Medlen, Minor and Maholm in next years starting rotation. Although, I don’t see that rotation as strong as some of the other rotations around the league. Specially the Nats and Phils, and the bad news… they are both in our division, and the good news… there are 2 WC spots.
Frankie
September 27th, 2012
12:15 pm
“And that is what happened when Frank was desperate”
Respectfully disagree with this as well. I think he was anything but desperate. I believe he thought as the time this is a guy to get me over the hump and to the Big Dance. Time will tell to see how everything plays out.
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:17 pm
OnlyBraves – And why should I give a FLying %$^* if the trade never happened?
We’re still not going to make appreciable changes to the pitching staff this winter. Like I said – wait until ST 2013 and then you can tell me I was right all along.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Y’all can go by MLBTR
It went farther than just rumor jounalism. There was an agreement which is a definite indication that Wren isn’t against moving young pitching. He’s done it and will continue to do it if he thinks it will improve the major league team.
DAP
September 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
braves attendance is good again this year, which is good to see. being ranked 15th isnt anything to be ashamed of, and that number might go up, still.
turner field is so big, if the braves could average 80% capacity, they would easily rank top 5 in attendance, at about 1mil more fans than they have right now. it would take an average attendance of about 40,000. (yes, thats 80% capacity) for teams like philly, 40,000 is about 100% capacity.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
Y’all can go by MLBTR all you want, but I’ll wait until players actually change teams before I claim there was a trade.
Denial. And you’re being really stubborn. This is not the first time a trade was agreed upon(yes, Wren agreed to trade the precious Randall Delgado to the Cubs for 2 months of Ryan Dempster) and a player rejected the trade because of their 10/5 rights or NTC. Doesn’t mean the two GM’s agreed on the value of the players to both their clubs for the players remaining control. Wren decided to trade near 6 years of Randall Delgado for 2 months of Ryan Dempster – so, with that said, and 2 holes in LF and CF for 2013 – I’m going to make the claim that Delgado will not be here in April of 2013. He’ll be with another organization, and hopefully, the player we get back is controlled for more than 2 months.
Frankie
September 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
“It went farther than just rumor jounalism. There was an agreement which is a definite indication that Wren isn’t against moving young pitching. He’s done it and will continue to do it if he thinks it will improve the major league team”
Exactamundo Fonzie.
Frankie
September 27th, 2012
12:22 pm
With that said, I really hope the Rangers and my boy Dempster get knocked out early.
abeeeewright
September 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
“The whole 4 hits thing was a little disturbing”
Josh Johnson.
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
I’m only saying that the blog has an awful lot of faith in guys who don’t have an awful lot of track record. Minor has been fabulous for half a year, Medlen magnificent for about a third of a year, and Beachy has yet to even return from surgery. And Hudson will be 38 next year. Now, all those guys may continue to perform at a high level, and I might even call it likely that they will, but I don’t take it as a given as much as some here seem to.
scoots, you’re right. It’s not a given. But a team develops talent, one presumes, principally to employ that talent on its major league team.
I have no reason not to have confidence in Minor and Medlen. They’re producing. Neither has a long track record of doing so, but pitchers have to start their careers. Those guys are off to pretty good starts.
And I’d say that adding a front line free agent pitcher is no guarantee that he’ll produce or not get injured.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
I’m going to make the claim that Delgado will not be here in April of 2013. He’ll be with another organization
I’m actually hoping your wrong with this projection. I’d much rather us move Maholm than Delgado in my opinion. I think he’s got much more value which is one of the reason unfortunately works against him not being traded. But I think in the long run, he’ll be a much better pitcher than Maholm and possibly could have a better year next year than him.
Murph
September 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
“The whole 4 hits thing was a little disturbing”
Josh Johnson
They’re going to have to get more than 4 hits against guys like (or better) than him in the playoffs if they are going to have any chance at winning the big enchilada.
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
Frankie – Maybe so – but how about we all wait and see what ACTUALLY does happen. I’d say that whatever willingness that anyone might have to make a deal, there are plenty of examples of deals that despite intentions never happened. Plenty of them. Again – a deal ain;t a deal until it’s a deal. None was made for Delgado.
And considering that we have no position players in the minors anyone thinks is worthy of trade for a mahjor piece in return, if Wren trades from the Farm System, it would of necessity be a pitcher.
But who has he traded to this point? Other than Vizcaino, who most thought wouldn’t be a starter anyway, who of signinficance has he actually traded that wasx destined for the Braves’ rotation? No one.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
And I’d say that adding a front line free agent pitcher is no guarantee that he’ll produce or not get injured.
Very true, but it’s playing the greater odds for success.
Lew
September 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
No, the greater odds for success would result from filling needs you truly HAVE (like fixing an inconsistent offense) and not on switching pieces around on parts that DID work.
Venice Jim
September 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
Fredi on 680…
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
And I’d say that adding a front line free agent pitcher is no guarantee that he’ll produce or not get injured.
Very true, but it’s playing the greater odds for success.
As long as he’s not another Derrick Lowe.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
12:35 pm
Again – a deal ain;t a deal until it’s a deal. None was made for Delgado.
Yep! And Furcal didn’t agree to sign with Atlanta. And I didn’t say that you’re in denial.
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
No, the greater odds for success would result from filling needs you truly HAVE (like fixing an inconsistent offense) and not on switching pieces around on parts that DID work.
This makes perfect sense. I guess we can assume failure where none now exists, and make changes on that assumption. Or deal with what the real problem is: namely, a under-performing offense.
Look, if the Braves ever get a bigger budget, then this becomes a different discussion. Less of an “either/or.” Less a competition for scarce dollars to meet needs – or wants.
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
switching pieces around
Isn’t that what we did all season to the rotation? Hudson, Delgado, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Maholm, Hanson, JJ.. etc.. etc..
Wren stated back in July he was looking for a starter to frontline this rotation. He tried and thought he had Demspter, he spoke to Boston about Lester, he spoke to the Brewers about Greinke but when he was unable to find that number 1 guy he turned to his next option, which happened to be Maholm. Here we are, still without that number 1 guy Wren so desperately looked to acquire. What makes you think his way of thinking has changed?
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:39 pm
like fixing an inconsistent offense
Then I ask you. What do you think made our offense inconsistent?
As long as he’s not another Derrick Lowe.
Just shoot me if that happens.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Might be Medlen, AT, though I hope not. Medlen’s good, but we can’t hope that he’s our #1 now.
Trader Jack
September 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
RIP – Herbert Lom
Better known as the frustrated and finally insane, Chief Inspector Dreyfus in the Pink Panther franchise
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
TOBF, it very well might be Medlen but I’m not ready to gamble and find out either and then find out midseason we need someone only to have to trade chips to get one. Specially since we could find one this year and possibly do it through FA without having to trade assets.
Jeff R
September 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
Just shoot me if that happens.
Me, too.
DAP
September 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
murph They’re going to have to get more than 4 hits against guys like (or better) than him in the playoffs if they are going to have any chance at winning the big enchilada.
not if we score 3 runs on those 4 hits and our starter shuts the other team down.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Agree with your 12:47 AT
BlondAlto
September 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Though I enjoyed this column, I don’t understand the comment about parking by permit only. What about the lots a couple of blocks away, where we normally LEGALLY park – in church parking lots, where guys wave you in and you pay them etc.?? Are those not available now or were you referring only to the lots right AT the stadium which I think always require a permit?
Capt.Mudd
September 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
@LegallyBlondAlto……………………………….You must purchase parking in advance for the area labelled Permit Parking…..you can do it on-line………and, when it gets good and full–a few ‘lots’ down the road charge $40.00 per car.
Sopheee
September 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Just shoot me if that happens.
Bright side, we can make a new club!
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
Less of an “either/or.”
I’m not of the mind that it’s “either/or”, though I’ve stated repeatedly (probably much too) that an offensive player is the priority that must be filled, before others should even be considered. Still, I can’t think that anyone would prefer Maholm, for example, to a Haren, for example, simply for the reason of maintaining continuity.
Half Empty
September 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
if you just want a righthander that kills lefties, cody ross is the perfect option. he has like a 1.000 OPS vs southpaws. if you want a guys who can just plain hit…well, dont limit your search to righthanders. DAP
not very many lefty hitters who are affordable and can just plain hit when it comes to lefty pitching and that is what we desperately need to get better against. Out record against them stinks and Uggla, whom we are stuck with, hits righties better than lefties too
BlondAlto
September 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Thanks that was informative, Capt. Mudd! We normally pay $10-15, so $40 would indeed be inflation! See y’all at the games! : )
Arkansas Transplant
September 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Sopheee, as fun as a new club sounds.. well, I’d just assume not to go down that road again.
Brian from SC
September 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
I miss Matt Diaz.
abeeeewright
September 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
“They’re going to have to get more than 4 hits against guys like (or better) than him [Johnson] in the playoffs”
I beg to differ with your fundamental assumption. When Josh Johnson is “on,” he may be the best pitcher in the NL. I doubt that any team faces 3-4 “Josh Johnson’s” in a 5 or 7 game series.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
I miss Matt Diaz.
Brian’s desperate attempt to move the conversation off the Winter Meetings, LOL.
Brian from SC
September 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
Someone said something about Cody Ross mashing lefties, and it made me think of Matty. He’s been my favorite Brave of the last few years.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
TenneseePaul, was this you? Haha!
Eric (Atlanta)
I don’t care about WAR. Jason Heyward has a .338 OBP this season and that’s awful for a corner outfielder. He hasn’t improved upon his rookie year and it’s his 3rd year in the bigs. Next year is crucial – .300/.400/.500 or they need to trade him.
Klaw (1:13 PM)
Is this a joke? He’s 22. And very talented, with a history of greater patience than this.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
One more thing on Chipper: In 5 years we’ll say the 2 greatest farewell seasons by a HOF were by him & Ted Williams http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8427136/the-many-amazing-feats-chipper-jones …
raleighbravefan
September 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Number of buts ioin the seats X cost of those seats is what counts.
% of capacity is mostly irrelevant. Turner is one of the largest venues. Damn hard to sell out on a regular basis. However, they probably whould be doing 2.5 to 3 million, in spite of the often mentioned disadvantages.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Well, he’s actually 23, with one year of “history” in the bigs. Not to mention a re-built swing and different approach to hitting. But, hey, who’s counting?
abeeeewright
September 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
“Isn’t that what we did [rearranging the deck chairs] all season to the rotation? Hudson, Delgado, Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Maholm, Hanson, JJ.. etc.. etc..”
Delgado was never considered a part of the rotation. He was plugged in to cover for Hudson who started the season on the DL, due to an unexpected off-season surgery.
Beachy dropped out due to TJ … can’t foresee that.
Hanson and JJ were known risks to start the season, and they have played out that way. Minor was an unknown as a first time regular in the rotation.
Looking forward to next season, there is much more certainty …
Hudson, Maholm, Medlen, Beachy at mid-season, Minor.
Hanson strikes me as the only really unknown piece of the puzzle. Delgado and Teheran are unknowns as to their future contributions since they’re still developing. But they would not be considered part of the rotation to start the season.
Add a Greinke or Shields without giving up the “certains” and you have pretty good expectations out of your starting pitching. Sure, injuries and underperformances could affect that.
But, you cannot compare the start of 2012 with the start of 2013 in terms of how certain you are on the rotation.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Ineresting take from the reader I guess…
Adam (New York)
Re Cabrera v Trout: This offseason a bunch of people inside the game will compete to give Michael Bourn $75 million-plus, almost entirely for the value he contributes outside the batter’s box. Given the similar outside-the-batter’s-box value added from Trout, am I high on what Bourn will get or shouldn’t the “people inside the game know how valuable he is” arguments side with Trout over Cabrera?
Klaw (1:19 PM)
You notice those “people inside the game” are never named, right?
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
Well, he’s actually 23, with one year of “history” in the bigs.
Wasn’t that six weeks ago? Still his age 22 year old season in my book.
Not to mention a re-built swing and different approach to hitting. But, hey, who’s counting?
That Heyward is all hype, scoots……
DAP
September 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
ralieghbravesfan,if the braves could get the % capacity to 74% for the year, it would be 3 million fans.
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
how much young pitching has he traded? Not enough that you can site examples past a rumor that never came to fruition and a guy with (what most people claimed) was closer potential
Frank Wren has traded young pitching. A lot of young pitching. And the Braves have also traded young pitching in the past.
—pre Wren notables—
Adam Wainwright
Matt Harrison
Horacio Ramirez
—Frank Wren—
Charlie Morton
Jeff Locke
JoJo Reyes
Brett Oberholtzer
Juan Abreu
Paul Clemens
Tim Collins
Greg Ross
Jaye Chapman
Arodys Vizcaino
JJ Hoover
Eliecer Cardenas
Boone Logan
Javier Vazquez
Jose Ascanio
Jeffrey Lorick
Robinson Lopez
Tyrelle Harris
Rafael Soriano
Nelson Payano
Jamie Richmond
Joey Devine
Oscar Villarreal
There could be more that I’ve missed. Practically every deal Wren makes he includes a pitcher. And of course, Mark Bowman, everyone at ESPN, everyone at FOX, everyone at Sports Illustrated, and everyone else discovered that Wren had traded Randal Delgado pending approval from Dempster. So, had Dempster said “yes”, Delgado would have been gone. But fortunately for Braves fans every where, that horrid deal was nixed by Dempster.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
Keith is so funny. He’s better than FOX News.
Brian Kenney, he of MLBN and the basically indecipherable motor-mouth speech patterns, wrote an aritcle in which he called his fellow MLBN analysts who chose not to declare Mike Trout an MVP no-brainer, “lazy”. Now, it’s one thing to unleash misplaced condescension on anonymous dinosaur fans, but to do it to your colleagues? In print, fercrissake? Does this seem a reasonable way to further the discussion, or more my-way-or-the-highway idiocy? I ask ya.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
But fortunately for Braves fans every where, that horrid deal was nixed by Dempster.
Just a really bad deal.
Brava
September 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
No need to tell Tommy to “Go to hell” as one poster previously said about another player. I’m not that bad.
Are you really still harping on this, TOBF? Despite the fact that you seem to top the list of most frequent posters almost every day, you are quite boring to read. Once one removes your obsession with this one post I made, your hatred of Tommy Hanson and your love for Greinke and Pastornicky, there isn’t much left.
Grow up.
Puma
September 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
TennPaul – although I agree with you, your list includes many pre-Wren trades and most I would not consider young pitching. However, I agree he is willing to trade young pitching if the deal is right.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Does this seem a reasonable way to further the discussion, or more my-way-or-the-highway idiocy? I ask ya.
You have to start reading more Murray Chass or listening to sports talk radio. The other side is pretty harsh too. Jon Heyman – please listen to him for 5 minutes and it will make your brain ooze out of your ear, I promise my car to you that his misplaced condescension will bring you there.
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
1:36 pm
TenneseePaul, was this you?
No. While I’m not a slave to WAR, I wouldn’t say I don’t care about it. I just despise people who go straight to it when discussing MVP. If one finds it inane that a voter simply looks at RBI and votes, I find it equally inane that a person could look only at WAR and vote. I’m sure the creators of WAR had their hearts in the right place, but it still has flaws and shouldn’t be used as an end all be all stat.
But, a .338 OBP is pretty weak from Heyward and I’m a bit bummed to see he didn’t have an OPS over .850. He had a super hot June, but the rest of the season he hit .256/.331/.452/.783. I’m really hoping he slides into his monster bat this October and holds onto it for the rest of his career.
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:36 pm
although I agree with you, your list includes many pre-Wren trades
No, only three names were traded by JS. All others by Wren I believe.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
That Heyward is all hype, scoots……
But here’s the thing…the guy making the initial post was a complete fool, yes, but Law completely disregards the interregnum that was Heyward’s sophomore season and even disregards the changes in Heyward himself this season. Both sides of the Q&A were quite laughable.
Capt.Mudd
September 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
@Brava………….”Grow up”
Good advice….one must never grow down!
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
You have to start reading more Murray Chass or listening to sports talk radio. The other side is pretty harsh too. Jon Heyman – please listen to him for 5 minutes and it will make your brain ooze out of your ear,
Man, I don’t deny that. Stupid is not the exclusive province of Brian Kenney. I would say that Kenney’s attitude is more pervasive among the sabercentric set than Chass’s is among even dinosaurs.
HooRah
September 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
why would we care that Wren traded most any of those players?
and when did he trade Vazquez, he traded for Vazquez
Trader Jack
September 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
Is anyone having trouble not only connecting to the AJC web site, but very slow response times to other sites?
chipontheroad
September 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
Bravissimo Brava
Efrim
September 27th, 2012
1:44 pm
But, a .338 OBP is pretty weak from Heyward and I’m a bit bummed to see he didn’t have an OPS over .850
I think I pegged him at having an .810 prior to the season and would of been happy with an .830. The sub-.350 OBP bothers me. I know he was working on things and found his new swing and loved to murder the baseball, but I didn’t see a great approach these last 40 games with no real adjustments made. I guess that brought me down a bit.
On August 26th, the kid was hitting .862 with an On Base of like .353 and all was right in the Heyward world. Then, DOB wrote a blog about him after the 3 consecutive HR games vs. San Fran with that great swing off of Bumgarner and he’s hit a wall since. Some bad luck, for sure – but over aggressive plate appearances. K’s might of been screwing with him head, as he has struck out a lot less as of late.
HooRah
September 27th, 2012
1:44 pm
guess Brian grew side to side
Capt.Mudd
September 27th, 2012
1:48 pm
@ncscoots…….I think the words ‘laudable’ and ‘laughable’ many times, are misunderstood; people are in denial…..while being interregnumly led…….except, of course, the reigning ncscoots!
HooRah
September 27th, 2012
1:48 pm
yes the refresh seems even slower than usual to me so far today, and it is never fast anymore
Bat Masterson
September 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
TOBF @ 1:18
Good read, thanks for the link.
raleighbravefan
September 27th, 2012
1:54 pm
scoots @1:06 – I don’t think anyone would prefer Maholm to Haren…for any reason. My point was how to make best use of our limited resources, in light of our most pressing needs. I’s be happy for Wren to do it all, if there were resouces to do so. I consider starting rotation only our second priority, and changes will be expensive, either in $$$ or prospect or both.
Puma
September 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
Vasquez to Yankees for Vizcaino
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
1:57 pm
your list includes many pre-Wren trades and most I would not consider young pitching
All the ones listed as Wren trades were wren, which was all but the first three.
The majority of the pictures traded were young minor leaguers.
DAP
September 27th, 2012
1:59 pm
this is a cool baseball story: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Guilford-Native-Gets-Second-Chance-at-MLB-171511741.html?dr
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
when did he trade Vazquez, he traded for Vazquez
Wait. Really? Have you been following the Braves more than this year? He traded Vazquez for Mike Dunn, Arodys and Melky in 2009.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Nick (NY)
Do you see Bourjos starting somewhere next year? It’s a complete waste of exceptional defense (to say nothing of decent offensive talent) to have a repeat of this year right?
Klaw (1:55 PM)
Agreed. Untapped value for the Angels.
Wouldn’t mind getting him, esp. if we get a good LF and a SP. I mean, we’ve done pretty well this 2nd half even with Bourn hitting .230
David O'Brien
September 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
Kimbrel’s past 49 appearances: 0.55 ERA and .103 opponents’ average, allowing 17 hits and three runs (on three homers) with six walks and 92 strikeouts in 49-1/3 innings.
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
Which adds Santos Rodriguez to the list of young pitchers Wren has traded.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
2:06 pm
Kimbrel’s past 49 appearances
Poor Kimbrel. I don’t even gape, slack-jawed, at those Nintendo numbers, anymore. They’re so unbelieveable that I don’t think they even register.
TennesseePaul
September 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
They’re so unbelieveable that I don’t think they even register.
After EOF’s 2011 I didn’t think another reliever would post an historic season, then Kimbrel took the mound.
Puma
September 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
I stand corrected Tenn Paul – off the top of my head it seemed like Devine, Soriano and Villereal were pre-Wren, but I looked them up.
Puma
September 27th, 2012
2:10 pm
Kimbrel is a victim of his own success, anything less than what he is doing will be disappointing to fans going forward. We now expect perfection from him at all times.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
2:11 pm
After EOF’s 2011 I didn’t think another reliever would post an historic season, then Kimbrel took the mound.
Yeah, how many more years do we think we can keep getting all-universe performance from those guys? Venters’ turn to get back to form next year, I guess. Probably give up two runs in 68 appearances or something.
DS1
September 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
I’m a little surprised that Kimbrel is not getting more support for the Cy Young on a national level. Gio and RA have had very good years, but what Kimbrel has done is near epic.
FEAR
September 27th, 2012
2:16 pm
Do we still not have a game time for the one game playoff?
Puma
September 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
I wonder who the scout was who recommended the Braves pick up O”Flaherty off waivers. Its amazing how much better he got once in Atlanta. I hope they gave that guy a big bonus (the scout)
DS1
September 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
Whassupp scoots? (I caught that dig at me on the Fox News remark!)
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
We now expect perfection from him at all times.
And Medlen. Merely human performance from those two in the future will probably get them burned at the stake here, LOL.
ncscoots
September 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
Whassupp scoots? (I caught that dig at me on the Fox News remark!)
MSNBC is just a shill for the Democrats.
that better?
Murph
September 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
92 strikeouts in 49-1/3 innings
My math-deficient brain cannot comprehend this. I think that’s something like 12 strikeouts per inning.
Impressive!
Lee in S GA
September 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
I hope the Braves at least put Constanza on team roster for the 1 W.C. playoff game. Last night was an example of how a stolen base and speed can get you 1 run. And I can see a more of a 2-1 or 3-1 type scoring affair than a high scoring game…NO matter who we play. If the Braves score a tone of runs I don’t see what harm it could cause to have him for that game anyway. Kinda a win-win situation.