# Braves turn to streaking Medlen in rubber game

ncscoots

September 20th, 2012
11:18 am

How tall is he?

I’m afraid he’d be bullpen height, LOL.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:19 am

Also, I think how you play in September, ya know, when your team needs you as they make a playoff push is important.

Cabrera in Sept. .371/.438/.823/1.261 8 HR, 21 RBI (73 PAs) (.375 BABIP)

Trout in Sept. .273/.368/.394/.762 2 HR, 3 RBI (76 PAs) (.340 BABIP)

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:19 am

I always like to do math! This is pretty simple. Give each player an offensive and defensive rating, then assign a relative “importance” to offense as opposed to defense.

If you say Cabrera is a 10 on offense and a 5 (being generous) on defense.
And you say that Trout is a 9 on offense and a 10 on defense.
And you say that value is 70% offensive (generous to offense?)

Then the composite “rating” would be 9.3 for Trout, 8.5 for Cabrera.

And you can play with the numbers.

If instead Trout is an 8 on offense and a 9 on defense, but the offense % stays the same, then it changes to 8.5 for Cabrera and 8.3 for Trout.

If you then change it to 65% offense and 35% defense, then Trout goes back on top, 8.35 to 8.25.

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
11:20 am

Ya know, I’ve been saying for a while that there is no way that the Braves bring in two starting calibur players in the outfield + a frontline starter this offseason.

But, they really could if they wanted to while staying within budget.

Then, I remembered pre-2009. Got Vazquez, Lowe and Kawakami to beef up the starting rotation and then? Settled for Garrett Anderson in LF.

I guess that’s why I see one of those holes existing into spring training.

ncscoots

September 20th, 2012
11:22 am

Also, I think how you play in September, ya know, when your team needs you as they make a playoff push is important.

It’s not MVP Of The Month.

abeeeewright

September 20th, 2012
11:22 am

“ncscoots, September 20th, 2012, 10:36 am … “There is only a microscopic correlation between stolen bases and runs scored.”

I’d be interested to see where folks are finding correlations between offensive events and runs scored. Is there a site or search that can be run or has someone written an article?

This applies to bunts, stolen bases, OBP, SLG, and all the other things.

RC

September 20th, 2012
11:22 am

I always like to do math! This is pretty simple. Give each player an offensive and defensive rating, then assign a relative “importance” to offense as opposed to defense.

If you say Cabrera is a 10 on offense and a 5 (being generous) on defense.
And you say that Trout is a 9 on offense and a 10 on defense.
And you say that value is 70% offensive (generous to offense?)

Then the composite “rating” would be 9.3 for Trout, 8.5 for Cabrera.

And you can play with the numbers.

If instead Trout is an 8 on offense and a 9 on defense, but the offense % stays the same, then it changes to 8.5 for Cabrera and 8.3 for Trout.

If you then change it to 65% offense and 35% defense, then Trout goes back on top, 8.35 to 8.25.

It’s going to be hard to read the blog anymore now that I’ve smashed my head through the computer screen.

RC

September 20th, 2012
11:24 am

Then, I remembered pre-2009. Got Vazquez, Lowe and Kawakami to beef up the starting rotation and then? Settled for Garrett Anderson in LF.

But that was only because Bowman and DOB pissed Griffey off.

Kidding……

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:24 am

A lot of people incorporate things like September performance and overall team performance (postseason or not) when voting for MVP. Indeed, that went a long way in getting Chipper his in 1999. I just don’t think of MVP that way.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:24 am

Efrim – Supposedly they have about \$23 mil to spend. Say they made a trade for (just for arguments’ sake) Willingham and Span for a package of Delgado, Hanson and another minor league arm – or whatever it took). That fills both outfield openings and leaves you with about \$12 million (aftewr subtracting DS’s and JW’s salaries).

Does that leave enough for a good pitcher AND extensions?

RC

September 20th, 2012
11:26 am

A lot of people incorporate things like September performance and overall team performance (postseason or not) when voting for MVP. Indeed, that went a long way in getting Chipper his in 1999.

So did hitting 45 HR while your cleanup hitter missed the season due to leukemia.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:26 am

What a trade like that WOULD do is to fill the outfield and leave penty of cash to lock up players longer term.

RC

September 20th, 2012
11:27 am

Does that leave enough for a good pitcher AND extensions?

Depends on how you define “good pitcher”. Front-line starter? Nope. Solid innings eater, #3/#4 type guy? Maybe.

ncscoots

September 20th, 2012
11:29 am

ab, google “baseball correlation stats” or something like that. Ought to bring up thousands of hits.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:30 am

Outside of April, (when he hit .298) Cabrera hasn’t hit under .300 for any month. Trout is on the verge of having 2 such months (August and September). Cabrera has 3 straight months of an OPS over 1.000, Trout’s has dropped for the past 3.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:31 am

If Trout struggles over the last couple of weeks, and Cabrera continues to destroy the ball, widening the gap between them offensively, I’m definitely open to a change of opinion.

George_George

September 20th, 2012
11:31 am

Fols

September 20th, 2012
11:12 am
Hi Fols , I posted at 11:08 four minns before yours. My latest thought on FREDI were made yesterday. I said he should be KEPT ON as MGR if BRAVES get past silly play-in game and win best of 5 series.

ncscoots

September 20th, 2012
11:32 am

Solid innings eater, #3/#4 type guy? Maybe.

I can’t see expending resources for that guy, not with the projected 2013 SP. If they can’t fit in a front-line guy, better to allocate those resources to the OF spots and go big.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:33 am

RC – I’m just not seeing a new pitcher in the immediate future. Enough for the FO to fill the two outfield openings and extend approriate players.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:33 am

Bourn’s dilemma will determine what direction we go.. hopefully it’s nothing more than a qualifying offer and a see ya later if the bidding heads north of 9 million a year which it more than likely will do.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:34 am

Yep – What scoots just said. We have enough mid rotation pitchers.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
11:34 am

brian from sc Trout scores 45% of the times he reaches base, not including hitting homers. That’s best in the AL. Miguel Cabrera scores 28% of the time.

slanted and irrelevant. trout hits 1st, miggy hits 3rd.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:36 am

Does that leave enough for a good pitcher AND extensions?

Only 12mil left? By my calcs (if Hanson and EOF were gone) our payroll would be 85mil or so, and that’s after us signing a pitcher for 16mil. That’s without signing Prado and JHey to extensions, but rather going with their projected arb salaries.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:37 am

slanted and irrelevant. trout hits 1st, miggy hits 3rd.

Slanted? Maybe a little bit.

Irrelevant? I don’t think so.

What batting order position they hit in wouldn’t matter. It’s the quality of who’s hitting behind them that would. For example, Cabrera hitting leadoff, followed by Fielder and Young, would be the same as Cabrera hitting 3rd, followed by Fielder and Young.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:39 am

Span is intriguing but I don’t see where he’d be more valuable over a Gentry. Span has been nothing more than a platoon the last couple of years which matches up pretty much with Gentry. Gentry possibly would come at a lower cost through acquisition and future cost to retain. He’s got more speed, possilby better defense and hits from the right side plus is very good against left handers.

T J Lambert

September 20th, 2012
11:40 am

All this MVP talk and both teams may make the playoffs. Are they really MVP’s

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:40 am

If scoring percentage is only based on batting order position, then why are the players below 30% almost all really slow? Paul Konerko, a bunch of catchers, Adam Dunn, etc?

A major part of your scoring percentage is how fast you run. The players around you in the order also affect it.

ncscoots

September 20th, 2012
11:41 am

As I remember, Span’s splits against lefties are pretty good.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:42 am

keithlaw ‏@keithlaw
He’s been great, but no. “@bjpierson: Would you put Kris Medlen in the top 5 for Cy Young voting? 125 IP, 0.94 WHIP, 1.51 ERA, 108 SO/22 BB”

Not even Top 5…

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:45 am

O’Flaherty will not be gone. Way too much bang for the buck. Hanson is only scheduled to make about \$2.5 mil and EOF about \$3-3.5 mil. You wouldn’t save enough on them to make up the difference for a good pitcher even added to \$12 mil when you figure the cost of extensions..

DAP

September 20th, 2012
11:46 am

brian from sc What batting order position they hit in wouldn’t matter. It’s the quality of who’s hitting behind them that would

of course it does, brian. how often does trout get on base with no outs? alot more than cabrerea does, giving trouts teamates extra opportunities to drive him in. your point was that trouts baserunnin helps him score more often, which may be true, but that stat doesnt mean anything, pertaining to that, because its slanted.

bat trout 3rd, and cabrera leadoff, and i would be willing to bet thier scoring percentages would normalize to being roughly the same.

ChattTownBrian

September 20th, 2012
11:50 am

When Medlen comes back to earth it’ll be funny to read some certain bloggers posts here. Be a fun laugh.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:51 am

As I remember, Span’s splits against lefties are pretty good.

Not much difference from one side or the other, so yes.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:51 am

All stats are slanted, DAP. One reason Miguel Cabrera has more RBIs than Trout is because he hits behind hitters who get on base, more so than Trout. So his RBIs are slanted. Does that mean how many RBIs Cabrera has shouldn’t mean anything?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:51 am

As I remember, Span’s splits against lefties are pretty good.

But his splits outside of Minnesota, are not.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:51 am

And they aren’t spending \$16 mil on anyone, much less a pitcher.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:52 am

O’Flaherty will not be gone.

I’m kind of leaning that way as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t offer him a 2 or 3 year deal.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:52 am

I’d say that the main issue with Span is health. He only played 70 games last season and 114 so far in 2012.

Fols

September 20th, 2012
11:54 am

Thanks George, that might be the nicest thing i’ve seen you type! haha!

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:55 am

TOBF, his away splits are definitely huge.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
11:55 am

Translant – I’m seeing a two year \$6 mil deal. We can’t afford a op line pitcher AND the two outfielders, but we CAN afford the staff we have and to maintain the lock down bullpen. In fact, that bullpen is aboslutely essential.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:55 am

Lew: But we’d already be at 85mil with Hanson and EOF gone, and that’s with signing a pitcher. If EOF stays, we’re at 88mil. I do believe Hanson is gone. I have a 7mil LF and Span in CF (5mil?) added into this.

Still about 7mil to use for extensions of players/mid-season acquisitions. And that’s assuming that the extensions (Prado,JHey) would cost more than their expected arb. salaries.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
11:57 am

And that’s assuming that the extensions (Prado,JHey) would cost more than their expected arb. salaries.

Maybe not a good assumption. Many times the salaries given in the long term deals line up well with arb salaries. They may make even a little less, in exchange for making more money 5 years from now.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
11:57 am

brian from sc If scoring percentage is only based on batting order position, then why are the players below 30% almost all really slow? Paul Konerko, a bunch of catchers, Adam Dunn, etc?

any of those guys bat leadoff? if not that stat is still slanted.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
11:57 am

Lew, do you think they will be looking for 2 outfielders? or do you feel they may actually see what Juan can do on a daily basis and leave Prado in LF?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
11:58 am

Brian@11:57 Exactly. That would free up even more money for Frank to use for a FA of his choice.

brian

September 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

Brian from SC – it does make good reasoning in regards to the thinking of numerous people that if Cabrera wins the triple crown then he gets the MVP and if he does not then he may not win the MVP. There are going to be many voters who would vote for trout or someone else but cannot ignore the historic triple crown so vote for MC. If he loses the HR race by one HR he no longer has the historic triple crown on his resume

brian

September 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

Brian from SC – it does make good reasoning in regards to the thinking of numerous people that if Cabrera wins the triple crown then he gets the MVP and if he does not then he may not win the MVP. There are going to be many voters who would vote for trout or someone else but cannot ignore the historic triple crown so vote for MC. If he loses the HR race by one HR he no longer has the historic triple crown on his resume

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

I am not disputing the stat is slanted. Can you name one that isn’t affected by multiple skills, factors, and environments? I’m saying just because it is affected by multiple things, doesn’t mean it’s meaningless. If that were the case, no stats would have any meaning.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

Dude – Just freaking foreget the way too often mentioned paragon of pitching you drool to sign. He ain’t coming here. And neither is any other \$16 million player.

‘And your math is more than fuzzy – in the example, we traded for Willingham (\$7 mil) and Span (\$4 mil) – that’s \$11 mil off of the \$23 we supposedly have available. How in hell can you fit a \$16 million pitcher AND extensions into \$12 mil left (or even — though it won’t happen- if you add another \$6 mil from Hanson and EOF)?

Wren will fill the outfield positions, or work a platoon between third and LF with Martin and make some extensions. There is not a pitching acquistion on the horizon.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:00 pm

brian from sc All stats are slanted,

and that particular one does nothing to support your conclusion, because of how slanted it is.

One reason Miguel Cabrera has more RBIs than Trout is because he hits behind hitters who get on base, more so than Trout. So his RBIs are slanted.

yup.

Does that mean how many RBIs Cabrera has shouldn’t mean anything?

it of course means you cant fairly compare trout and cabrera based on RBI.

Lew

September 20th, 2012
12:03 pm

Transpolant – Even if they platoon Martin with JF at third, they’ll still need a CFer and a platoon partner for Martin in LF. Not so sure that will be Reed Johnson, either, though they COULD do that.

brian

September 20th, 2012
12:03 pm

if Cabrera keeps hitting like he has and leads Detroit into the playoffs it will be difficult to not vote for Cabrera.

I did not realize that trout has “struggled” in Sept.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:04 pm

So if all stats are slanted, and you can’t fairly compare two players based on slanted stats, then how do you ever compare two players?

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:14 pm

Good talk this morning with no one flipping out. Love it. Sucks that it’s an off day, though.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:17 pm

I looked at the primary leadoff hitters and 3rd place hitters for each AL team. (Not including Baltimore, since Markakis was the leader at both positions). I can’t do a split to tell you the composite stat of every player who has hit at each position, so this is the best I can do.

For the 13 primary leadoff hitters, the average scoring% is 37.6%. Trout ranks first among them at 45%.
For the 13 primary 3-hole hitters, the average scoring% is 29.2%. Cabrera is 10th among them at 28%. The ones worse than Cabrera are Adam Dunn, Kyle Seager, and Billy Butler.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
12:19 pm

With us adding Span and Willingham, and not getting a pitcher this offseason, our payroll would be at about 81mil. If we extend Prado and JHey, we’ll probably be closer to 80mil. Payroll was approx. 94mil this year, and I’d expect it to go up a bit for next year, especially if we make a deep run into the playoffs.

This was with keep EOF and trading Hanson. Obviously, if we trade EOF, we’ll have another 3.5mil or so to work with…

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:19 pm

brian from sc I am not disputing the stat is slanted. Can you name one that isn’t affected by multiple skills, factors, and environments?

im not trying to!

I’m saying just because it is affected by multiple things, doesn’t mean it’s meaningless.

im not either. im saying it doesnt mean what you are trying to say it means.

youre saying when trout gets on base, he scores more often than cabrara does when he gets on base. thats true. your conclusion is that its because trout is better on the basepaths, which is probably true. you you cant tell from the given information.

I contend that if trout hit 3rd, and cabrara hit 1st, they would score about the same percentage of the time they got on base.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:22 pm

I contend that if trout hit 3rd, and cabrara hit 1st, they would score about the same percentage of the time they got on base.

Based on the data I just posted, that would be clear indicator that Trout is providing more value on the bases, since leadoff hitters should be scoring more than 3-hole hitters.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
12:22 pm

Cody Ross is open to discussing an extension with the Red Sox before he hits free agency in six weeks or so. But he knows what he’ll be looking for if he does reach the open market. The 31-year-old told Rob Bradford of WEEI.com that his top priority will be joining a contender.

“Number one this season is probably going to be winning,” he told Bradford. “I’m to that point where I want to win.”

Ross noted that he’ll also take into account role, location, and length and value of contract when weighing offers. The SFX client has a .274/.339/.500 batting line with 21 home runs and 32 doubles in 479 plate appearances for Boston this year. He has played all three outfield positions and continues to thrive against left-handed pitching (11 home runs, .313/.398/.670 batting line). Ross suggested that he can repeat — and even improve upon — these numbers.

“I’m me now. This is me now. What I’m doing this year. This is me,” Ross said.

Could’ve been with a contender this year…. he’s gonna turn this into a pretty good contract though. Don’t think Atlanta will take him for his price.

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:22 pm

Span does a lot of things well, but his splits away from Minny aren’t good. So you’re left wondering if he’s a product of the park.

He hits LHP well enough for a LHH. Plays good defense. Has a good contract.

The injuries are also another issue. Tough call. Lots to think about.

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:23 pm

I think Ross will be looking for what Willingham got last year. Three years, 21 million.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:23 pm

youre saying when trout gets on base, he scores more often than cabrara does when he gets on base. thats true. your conclusion is that its because trout is better on the basepaths, which is probably true. you you cant tell from the given information.

Not really. I’m using the stat as EVIDENCE that Trout is better on the basepaths. I’m not using it to prove it unequivocally. Just like posting that Cabrera has more homers than Trout is evidence that he has more power, but does not prove it.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:25 pm

brian from sc So if all stats are slanted, and you can’t fairly compare two players based on slanted stats, then how do you ever compare two players?

i guess you try to make sure the stats are slanted the same way. i think most people accept the slantedness of most stats, which is why there is so much room to disagree on the most valuable player.

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:26 pm

Span career away from Minny: .260/.331/.347 – solid walk rate. Not nearly enough power.

I like him. If there is better out there that makes sense, I hope Wren finds it though.

September 20th, 2012
12:29 pm

Efrim-

Actually from what I have read, Ross wants 10-12 somewhere….

He’s apparently crazy and/or high…..

flange1

September 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

Days like today are when the blog is at it’s best.

I am enjoying all of the discussions without the normal negative nellies throwing in a we’re doomed every 4 sentences.

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:30 pm

Ya know who I really don’t want in LF next year? Nelson Cruz. Had enough of him.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

If we acquired Span and Willingham, we’d be on the hook for:

2013 combined total of 11.75million
2014 combined total of 13.5M with a 1m esculator if Willingham reaches 525 PA’s in ‘13
2015 Span at 9M team option or 500k buyout.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:32 pm

brian from sc For the 13 primary leadoff hitters, the average scoring% is 37.6%. Trout ranks first among them at 45%.
For the 13 primary 3-hole hitters, the average scoring% is 29.2%. Cabrera is 10th among them at 28%. The ones worse than Cabrera are Adam Dunn, Kyle Seager, and Billy Butler.

some of that is from pinups, too. but i do think its a fine big picture shot of what those guys are doing. how about RBI %? what percentage of runners do those guys drive in? id say that would be a pretty fair stat.

one could argue that cabreras job isnt to score runs but to drive them in. if trout is scoring a super high percentage of opportunities, and cabrera is driveing in a super high percentage of opportunities, then both guys are doing thier jobs well, and youd have to decide which of those is more important?

Based on the data I just posted, that would be clear indicator that Trout is providing more value on the bases

yes, but it would also show that the difference between them isnt quite as large as it looks, based on the stat you posted, which was so slanted, it cant do anything but mislead us.

brian

September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm

I could see the Braves signing Ross for LF, moving Prado to 3B and trading a lefty reliever for Bourjos (and prospect) while signing Greinke if affordable.

I could also see the Braves looking to move Delgado for an OF or 3B as the main pieces of a deal. Could the Braves get Willingham for Delgado and would they do it?

September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm

Efrim-

Who gives a sh*t about power?! That has been MUCH of Bourn’s problem this year….got power happy and all of a sudden you look up and while the guy has a career high in HR he also has 140 K’s out of the leadoff spot….

The Braves desperately NEED more guys that can put the bat on the ball….

Plus like I believe Lew said yesterday, Span’s home and road can’t be predicated on park simply because he’s played in two vastly different parks in Minny.

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm

esculator = escalator

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:33 pm

A winning stretch will do that for ya, flange. The fact that the Braves’ postseason slot is all but set means it’ll be pretty peaceful around here for the next couple of weeks.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:35 pm

brian from sc I’m using the stat as EVIDENCE that Trout is better on the basepaths. I’m not using it to prove it unequivocally.

gotcha

Efrim

September 20th, 2012
12:36 pm

Who gives a sh*t about power?!

The world of serious baseball fans and baseball team executives?

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:37 pm

We could however still aquire Willingham in this scenario.

Gentry doesn’t even become arb eligible until ‘14 or a FA until ‘17, so basically over the next 2 years you wouldn’t even exceed 9m combined for the both either of the next 2 years.

Brian from SC

September 20th, 2012
12:38 pm

I’ve got one question.

Who is Gentry? I’ve never heard of this person.

RC

September 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

Who gives a sh*t about power?!

Chicks. I hear they dig the long ball.

September 20th, 2012
12:41 pm

AT-

Thats a nice thought but I cant see Minny trading both guys in the same deal to the same club….

FWIW, I’d place a greater emphasis next year on speed, better baserunning, defense, and putting the ball in play….

We will already have Uggla, JHey, and Freddie to rack up the strikeouts….

So why not go out and make the OF a priority for both speed and defense and trade for Span and go after say a Victorino or someone who has some speed, doesn’t K too much, and can play some solid D….

This would then make a Greinke signing or Shields trade or the like make more sense as placing a better rounded team behind them in the field and put more pressure on the opposition….

Dont get me wrong, I love Michael’s speed, but hes headed to a career low in SB since he became a full time player AND already at a career high in strikeouts…

Frankly, I think we will miss his D more than the offense

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:46 pm

Craig Gentry of the Rangers.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
12:46 pm

FWIW, I’d place a greater emphasis next year on speed, better baserunning, defense, and putting the ball in play….

I believe we have the #1 defense in the NL, #2 in the MLB (behind Seattle). Can’t get much better than that.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:46 pm

does anybody think its at all possible that we work out a trade for justin upton?

September 20th, 2012
12:46 pm

Isn’t the objective of the leadoff hitter to get on base so that the middle order guys can drive him in?

You know, not everyone can be Mike Flippin Trout guys!

TennesseePaul

September 20th, 2012
12:47 pm

if you combined Brandon Beachy’s season with Medlen’s portion of the season in the rotation, you get Krandon Beachlen.

The truth is Krandon Beachlen’s full name is Krandon Francoise Beachlen and he has pitched this line:
``` _W-L_GS____IP__ERA__K/9_BB/9_HR/9__WHIP__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS 16-7 29 182.2 2.17 7.44 2.27 0.59 1.013 .208 .261 .297 .558 ```

September 20th, 2012
12:47 pm

But we lose Bourn and move Prado to 3b….

So we will need to add new pieces to keep up there TOBF…..

Adding Willingham would take us about 10 places down (in the NL)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 20th, 2012
12:48 pm

You’ve never heard of Troy Gentry from the band Montgomery Gentry? Dang, you’re missing some good stuff.

September 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

DAP-

Anything is possible, but our strength is something the DBacks really don’t need….

They need positional help and we can’t really deal from something we have very little in.

TennesseePaul

September 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

Who is Gentry? I’ve never heard of this person

He’s a bench player with platoon potential for the Rangers.

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

p-town You know, not everyone can be Mike Flippin Trout guys!

yeah, but it sure would be nice to have a guy who could slug right around .400.

September 20th, 2012
12:49 pm

Krandon Beachlen

I don’t care who you are…..thats funny right there!

September 20th, 2012
12:50 pm

DAP-

Shoot me a list of all the guys who do that from that spot who aren’t making a boatload and aren’t named Mike Trout….

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:50 pm

P-T, I’d probably be alright with Span if I thought there was a greater advantage of having him over Gentry. I’d just prefer to go get Gentry, cost less, more speed, better defense and doesn’t K much. And I want us to stay away from Victorino as far as possibly human. He’s aging and aging quite rapidly. The other knock against Span is he’s very injury prone.

TennesseePaul

September 20th, 2012
12:51 pm

Career splits of Gentry

``` ______AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS Road .260 .317 .313 .630 RHP_ .265 .326 .312 .638```

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```Home .301 .376 .393 .768 LHP_ .296 .368 .397 .765 ```

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:52 pm

I don’t necessarily have to have Greinke, I’d be alright with Haren if he becomes available.

September 20th, 2012
12:53 pm

AT-

Victorino was just a guess….

Here’s a thought….

Would you be opposed to trying to net BOTH Gentry and Span?

Bat Span 1st, Gentry 8th and play Gentry in LF….

DAP

September 20th, 2012
12:53 pm

p-town Shoot me a list of all the guys who do that from that spot who aren’t making a boatload and aren’t named Mike Trout…

before i do that, ill tell you trout is slugging in the mid .500 range, which is REALLY high, especially compared to a .400. thats 1st baseman/LFer type of power.

September 20th, 2012
12:54 pm

AT-

I’d be alright w/ Haren too as he’s proven he can win in either league….

But he seems to be regressing a bit……and he’s every reason you’d want a solid D behind him (no Willingham)

Arkansas Transplant

September 20th, 2012
12:55 pm

I’d be alright with that.. it would also create a lot of flexibility for certain match ups.

September 20th, 2012
12:57 pm

DAP-

I’d rather have a solid OBP, low K’s, 1:1 K/BB ratio, great speed, good baserunning, solid D guy…..

Power means little to nothing to me when we already have Freeman, McCann, Uggla, Heyward…..we dont need another 120+ K guy….

IF we can find ALL of that in a player that HAS some power….let me know who it is and tell me why he wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg