2:54 pm September 19, 2012, by David O'Brien
September 19th, 20125:33 pm
nolie – I find alot of these folks on the post-game blogs. I always have felt that such an attitude was a big cop-out. But, you state it far more eloquently.
September 19th, 20125:34 pm
Now there’s some sad things known to man
but ain’t too much sadder than
the tears of a clown.
September 19th, 20125:36 pm
You guys need to wake up. Just because someone thinks the status quo is not good enough does not make you a better fan than them.
September 19th, 20125:38 pm
R there people responding to naming a starter for play in? Thought the discussion revolved around who it would be than actually coming out and saying so.
“Why say it today? What would be the benefit of that?”
Well why would he mention two names? Why not just say nothing. At this point Minor or Maholm might be a better choice than Hudson because they are lefties depending on who we play. If he isn’t going to say who it is, then there is no reason to narrow it down to two guys.
September 19th, 20125:39 pm
IMO the Bourn Dilemma will work itself out when the free agent market establishes his value. If he receives bids over $12 million for five or more years then wish him well roll out Plan B. For me that would be to move JH to center field and let Andrelton Simmons lead off. Don’t get me wrong, I think Bourn does a good job defensively, but he is not a gold glover. He doesn’t go back very well and the wall is not his friend (last night’s play on Buck’s fly to the wall is the latest example). JH has the range, the speed and the athleticism to make the transition. He’s not prototypical, but he wouldn’t be a huge drop-off from Bourn defensively. Bourn creates problems for the defense when on base, but his OBP is not that good and he Ks way more than is acceptable for a lead off guy. Again, AS is a ball player and I’m guessing that what we lose in base thefts and chaos created would be balanced by higher OBP and better contact. Cheaper to fill a corner outfield position and use the options on hand than to get into a Scott Boras orchestrated bidding war.
not really P-Town, we all act somewhat the same for mostly the same reasons
one person might pick one course but it is much the same course that others travel.We like to think of ourselves as individualists but folks are pretty much folks.
much of the basis for psychiatry and for reading folks afterall , and though I was being light, that pretty much is the usual reason for pessimism .
The bigger , harder question is what causes specific folks to be pissymists and others to be pollyannas for instance
September 19th, 20125:41 pm
It’s one thing to be critical of the status quo. Those issues can be reasonably debated. It’s another kettle of fish, however, to proclaim that a team has no chance or there is no hope. Being critical of Fredi or the organization or anyone associated with the Braves does not mean one is a lesser fan. I did not want to imply otherwise.
Brian from SC
Yay, I made a spreadsheet the calculates the magic number of each team, and their elimination number. (Elimination # is the opposite of magic #: shows how many losses or wins by the team ahead of you it would take to eliminate you…better number to look at for teams on the fringes.)
Now all I have to do is update the records of the teams, and the magic #’s and elimination #’s are given to me.
I did have a couple of errors in what I posted earlier. Here are the magic numbers for race leaders (up-to-the-second):
NL East – Washington – 10
NL Central – Cincinnati – 4
NL West – San Francisco – 7
For NL playoff spot (relative to the Dodgers, first team out):
Washington – 3
Cincinnati – 3
San Francisco – 7
Atlanta – 7
St. Louis – 14
AL East – New York – 15
AL Central – Chicago – 13
AL West – Texas – 13
For AL playoff spot (relative to the Angels, the first team out):
Texas – 9
Oakland – 12
New York – 12
Baltimore – 12
Chicago – 13 (relative to Detroit, for division)
“Well why would he mention two names? Why not just say nothing. At this point Minor or Maholm might be a better choice than Hudson because they are lefties depending on who we play. If he isn’t going to say who it is, then there is no reason to narrow it down to two guys.”
Lets at least be a little realistic here. It is down to two guys Medlen and Hudson and nobody else even in the discussion.
If this game was away I can buy into Huddy dealing with the hostile atmosphere. Home game and unless Medlen gets absolutely hammered two of the next 3 or 4 games, he will be on the bump Friday the 5th.
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 20125:42 pm
What would be the loss though?
Its not like one guy is playing chess and the other checkers…..
If the guy gets bombed after he is announced but theres time to change it, then he can change it….whats with everyone and people’s “feelings” being hurt….or did I forget this is ALSO a BUSINESS…
Fredi Gonzalez is NOT smarter than the other managers…..please don’t try to make him out to be…..
If you guys want to make the statements like that for him, then why even ask the question….
I mean its pretty obvious who 90% of teams starters will be for a 1-game playoff if they get a chance to match it up….why should he be different….
That said, I do agree w/ waiting til you CAN setup rotation how you want it…..of course at that point, wont the question be pointless anyways? Any idiot can look at a rotation and say gee goly gosh….Pitcher A/B/C is pitching in the final series against the Pirates….so there’s no way he can pitch the play-in game…..so I’d imagine whoever is going is gonna pitch the Home finale Sunday….but what do I know….I can just add and subtract….
September 19th, 20125:43 pm
Still think Delgado has more upside than Teheran. Hanson needs to commit to a good workout regimen in the offseason. Doesn’t seem like (from hearing KM speak on national TV) that TH puts a premium on fitness.
September 19th, 20125:46 pm
Here are the ELIMINATION #’s from the playoffs for the teams in the back of the pack. When the number reaches zero, you’re mathematically eliminated.
NL playoffs (relative to St. Louis, last team in)
Miami – 2
New York – 4
San Diego – 8
Arizona – 11
Philadelphia – 11
Pittsburgh – 12
Milwaukee – 13
Los Angeles – 14
AL playoffs (relative to Baltimore, last team in)
Kansas City – 1 (relative to Chicago for division, already eliminated from wild card)
Tampa Bay – 9
Los Angeles – 12
Detroit – 13 (relative to Chicago for division)
September 19th, 20125:48 pm
I can remember people carping about Greg Maddox’s lack of devotion to fitness.
I dont agree wholeheartedly but I do tend to agree w/ ACE on one thing….
NEVER ever make the claim that you’re a bigger/better/etc fan than someone else…..
I could never understand that statement….
Fredi Gonzalez is NOT smarter than the other managers…..please don’t try to make him out to be..P-Town
not certain who you are responding to, but if you are talking to me , I’m not sure where you came up with that? I said nothing about who is a better manager or which is a better team
September 19th, 20125:49 pm
Toronto was eliminated from the playoffs with their loss today. Other eliminated teams: the Mariners, Red Sox, Indians, Twins, Cubs, Rockies, and Astros.
September 19th, 20125:51 pm
DOB the least you could do is THANK ME for the help. — ace
I might, if you weren’t so disrespectful to so many folks including me.
Everybody but the Cardinals/Giants/Reds/Nationals/Braves was eliminated from the playoffs today.
No, nothing you said at all….
September 19th, 20125:55 pm
Re: ACE and his ilk, I recently saw this quote.
“Don’t try to win over the haters. You’re not the jackass whisperer.”
I want to see Prado starting to drive the ball again. Gap some doubles like he’s capable of. Slap hitting to right field is effective but I think he can cause more damage and more productive with runners on base.
Chipper to the 2 hole, Prado batting 5th.
I guess the biggest surprise there is the Red Sox, we bounced back well and they did not even though they have more assets than we do. Some felt last winter that we should have done what they did, but pretty obvious that Frank’s approach was much better
September 19th, 20125:59 pm
Yes and no….their entire OF was hurt for 90% of the year and their 3B debacle was mishandled…Pedroia was hurt (twice) and their pitching became suspect from Day 1 with their closer down and their starting staff unreliable….
Plus they have Bobby V (for now)
you want to move the guy with the second best S% on the team to the two hole ?
Anyone missing old frosted tips?? What a dumb a**!!!
Brave New World
September 19th, 20126:00 pm
Bourn is not worth anything more than $8-10 million per year. He strikes out way too much, does not have a high OBP, and is too streaky to be paid what an elite leadoff hitter should make. All said, some chump GM will be taken in by Boros and overpay for Bourn. So here’s hoping Bourn gets hot for the rest of the season and into the playoffs before he bolts in 2013. GO BRAVES!
September 19th, 20126:01 pm
I don’t think it is even close. we have had significant injuries all year too and less finances.
September 19th, 20126:03 pm
yep, our best offensive approach all year was late April when Chipper was batting 6th. He gave us serious depth there. Unfortunately McCann and Uggla cant be moved up. Chipper at this stage would be more effective batting 2nd or 5th or 6th IMO
September 19th, 20126:04 pm
No one has mentioned that with one more hit, Chipper ties Lou Gehrig. HOF stuff for sure.
September 19th, 20126:05 pm
Frankie, I could not disagree more
September 19th, 20126:08 pm
nolie wouldn’t expect you too regarding chipper
nolie since start of August, Chipper has had 6 doubles and 4 HR’s. No extra base hits this month outside of his big knock against the Phils to win the game. he’s a singles hitter right now, get him on base for the young kids and Prado
September 19th, 20126:09 pm
Typo, typo, typo, typo. How hard is it DOB?
September 19th, 20126:11 pm
If I were GM, I would sign Bourne to a long-term contract in a heartbeat. I think his recent struggles are an aberration, and that he has several good years ahead of him. You can’t teach speed, and while he’ll lose a step or two in the coming years, he’ll remain one of the game’s premier centerfielders for years to come.
I also think Uggla will come out of his slump (if he hasn’t already). I’m an eternal optimist as far as the Braves are concerned.
even slumping a bit, Chipper scares them more than any other Braves hitter.
not that Chipper wouldn’t likely do well at second, but Praydoo is just about the picture in the dictionary when you look up #2 hitter
September 19th, 20126:14 pm
Testing, testing………mic check….one t-two…..
Looks like it’s going to be a fun night on the ol’ blogue tonight!
Where’s Marietta “double pits to chesty” Derek?!?!!??
September 19th, 20126:18 pm
Prado is prototype 2 hitter no doubt. He can also be a doubles machine and can drive the ball. This lineup currently as is worries me, I would like to see how those changes play out.
September 19th, 20126:31 pm
Dodgers are getting owned y’all!
Ethier Ks with runner at 3rd; Kemp walks; Gonzalez Ks; 3-1 Nats, mid-7…
September 19th, 20126:35 pm
Looks like Dodgers will be finished after this series also one of Pirates and Breweres wil die down.
It wil comw down to Brewers and Cardinals? who would u rather face?
I say Brewers. Braun and Rameriez and then who?
easier opponent despite the sweep.
Terrible road team
September 19th, 20126:37 pm
3-1 qualifies as “owned”?
September 19th, 20126:39 pm
its mixxo, murph
September 19th, 20126:41 pm
DiamonbackMac: That’s classic.
September 19th, 20126:43 pm
Any word on how tix sales are going for the WC game played on the 5th?
Frankie has his.
September 19th, 20126:44 pm
RC – packaged does not equal spare parts. It would be Delgado plus significant prospects for Headley
September 19th, 20126:45 pm
Frankie: I agree with your 5:41 p.m. comment. All of it.
September 19th, 20126:46 pm
You’re losing 3-1 in the eighth to the mighty Nats…..
….you’re getting “owned” chief.
Deal with it.
September 19th, 20126:48 pm
Now report THAT!
September 19th, 20126:49 pm
Vicky Rino very Bourn like as a Dodger and not hitting the ball with much authority.
I wasn’t the one who questioned it mixxo, Murph was.deal with him….
I have no problem with Fredi not naming Medlen starter at this time for the playoff game. First of all, we have to make the playoffs. Secondly, however unlikely it may be, I am not giving up on the division. We have seen bigger collapses……….
I also would have no problem for fredi to answer a question that if the playoff game was today, yes Medlen would be the starter. There is not a hotter pitcher in baseball right now. A lot can happen in a few weeks and we are not sure if we will even be playing in that game so it is very premature for me to name a starter for the one game playoff series.
September 19th, 20126:50 pm
From Urban Dictionary:
v. owned, 0wned, pwned, 0wn3d, pwn3d, own3d.
To be made a fool of; To make a fool of; To confound or prove wrong; embarrasing someone: Being embarrassed.
are you accusing me of ever having reported you about anything? Cause if you are you are as big a damn liar as Tomahawkin is. I wasn’t even around when your little tantrum hit the blog
September 19th, 20126:52 pm
According to Gameday, Storen throws a 97mph sinker.
Remember when Venters used to… nevermind.
September 19th, 20126:53 pm
Conscience eatin’ at ya?
Nothing accusatory in that post.
September 19th, 20126:55 pm
I reported you, Mixxo. I reported you several times, sent emails, even called DOB on his cell phone and left a message.
if it was not accusatory, what was its purpose?
and no my conscience is completely clear, but I hate to be accused of something I did not do.
as do most folks
September 19th, 20126:58 pm
Yeah, I always figured you as part of that crowd.
I suggest you grow some thicker skin tough guy.
September 19th, 20126:59 pm
The past 27 games should be called the Bourn Non-Identity. Sure he’s a good center fielder with good speed. But he’s not a power hitter and certainly not an RBI man. And he’s definitely not worth a long-term-millions-of-$$ contract. Hey, but that’s just my non-professional opinion. Maybe we need to try some Billy ball.
I suggest that you quite trying to be a tough guy mixxie
September 19th, 20127:00 pm
Mixxo just kind of guy that scares you a little. Like might have human remains in his freezer kind of guy.
Just kidding Mixxo, please don’t stalk me.
September 19th, 20127:03 pm
But he’s not a power hitter and certainly not an RBI man…
kinda hard for a leadoff man to be an RBI guy
*that snitch crowd
Anyway, I’m here to enjoy a baseball game with my Braves and friends……you guys keep bringing up dirt on folks….. we’ll try to co-exist.
September 19th, 20127:05 pm
what “dirt” would we know about anybody? Try to make at least a modicum of sense
September 19th, 20127:06 pm
Even if he sells out he is the baddest man on the planet. Got love The Boss on MLB postseason commercials singing Land of Hope and Dreams.
Miss the Big Man though, what a loss.
September 19th, 20127:08 pm
Even if he sells out he is the baddest man on the planet. Got love The Boss on MLB postseason commercials singing Land of Hope and Dreams.
Going to my first Springsteen concert in December
September 19th, 20127:09 pm
Won’t be the same without C but going to be awesome experience. Good for you.
Chipper’s Farewell Tour continues as Marlins Reyes gives him fly-fishing equipment in ceremony at home plate. Hug, tip cap, ovation from rather sparse crowd.
Chipper hasn’t done any fly-fishing and said he wanted to learn. Marlins asked the Braves, got that reply, and set about getting him some gear.
September 19th, 20127:10 pm
You assumption about fishing gear as a gift for
chipper was spot on DOB.
September 19th, 20127:11 pm
“I saw my rock and roll past flash before my eyes. I saw something else: I saw rock and roll’s future and its name is Bruce Springsteen.”
September 19th, 20127:13 pm
what can you do with a fly if you do catch it? Would take a whole passel of them to fill you up….
September 19th, 20127:14 pm
Michael says……enough of this!
“I’m starting my run!”
Mikey!!! Good to see.
VJ is a Springsteen veteran, so when we saw he was headed back to Southern California, we couldn’t pass it up (he was here a while back but the only seats were behind the stage and were outrageously expensive for that location)
Good for Bourn – first w/that foul past first – put a good swing on that one and then with his double. Maybe, just maybe he’s about to bust out a bit.
September 19th, 20127:15 pm
September 19th, 20127:16 pm
Beautiful ABC baseball.
September 19th, 20127:17 pm
I’ve seen Springsteen more than 60 times in concert – some of the best $ I’ve ever spent. Never didn’t enjoy the show. And, going again this year, so much better than some of the other senior citizens “rockin” these days.
Dang that would of been gone in most parks
September 19th, 20127:18 pm
another ball hit .400 feet that’s pretty much an easy out …. I bet Chipper doesn’t mind never seeing this place again
*btw, this being his last game in Florida … what did the Marlins do for him? They didn’t say anything about a gift or anything while he was batting
September 19th, 20127:19 pm
That is the second time in as many games that Chipper Jones has robbed by the dimensons of the ballpark. 1-0 lead with Medlen on the mound feels good though.
ah I should have known DOB would be on the ball (and maybe the announcers too in pregame but I usually skip that)
September 19th, 20127:20 pm
Janish returns to ATL to have shoulder checked; Simmons still out of lineup
September 19th, 20127:22 pm
Frankie – I think that quote was from the article by Jon Landau – who later produced albums for Springsteen. Not Time Magazine, it was in a small paper out of Boston IIRC.
the Real Paper Jon Landau, May 1974
Tonight,” his column began, “there is someone I can write of the way I used to write, without reservations of any kind. Of Springsteen’s recent concert in Harvard Square, he wrote: “On a night when I needed to feel young, he made me feel like I was hearing music for the very first time. When his two hour set ended I could only think, can anyone really be this good, can anyone say this much to me, can rock and roll speak with this kind of power and glory? And then I felt the sores on my thighs where I had been pounding my hands in time for the entire concert and knew that the answer was Yes.
Springsteen does it all. He is a rock’n'roll punk, a Latin street poet, a ballet dancer, an actor, a joker, bar band leader, rhythm guitar player, extraordinary singer, and a truly great rock’n'roll composer. He leads a band like he has been doing it forever. I racked my brains but simply can’t think of a white artist who does so many things so superbly. There is no one I would rather watch on a stage today.”
September 19th, 20127:24 pm
Yep – that’s the one nolie
Thanks guys, you are correct. Time did do a piece on him early though, did they not?
September 19th, 20127:25 pm
September 19th, 20127:26 pm
Yep – Springsteen was on the cover of both Time and Newsweek in the same week – a huge coup for his then manager Mike Appel. Just in time for the release of Born to Run.
2 hour set? What a prima donna.
September 19th, 20127:28 pm
He’d get booed if he only played for 2 hours now – routinely the shows are at least 3 hours plus. And it never gets old.
September 19th, 20127:29 pm
Good evening all
September 19th, 2012
September 19th, 2012
Wow, was really quiet over night. I thought there would be wailing and rending of garments all night.
Fredi is prolly not going anywhere if we get to the post season, even just the one game qualifier.
Not many managers with 90 wins get canned
Good morning all
I will comment on game next post, but saw above and wanted to comment. Nolie I hope are wrong, true it would be difficaut to fire a MGR with 90 wins and a year to go on his contract. I wonder if LIBERTY MEDIA would ALLOW J.S. or F.W. to let FREDI go because then they would have to pay him a year for doing nothing. I say FREDI should stay if he can get past silly play-in game and win best of five series.
September 19th, 20127:30 pm
And has been known to have 4 hour sets in earlier days. Unbelievable.
this was when Bruce was pretty much still a college campus band with a rep for great live shows that were much better than his records .
I’d guess that was a year or more B4 the Time cover. Landau was a big deal at that time as a critic
September 19th, 20127:31 pm
Go job for Medlen working out of trouble. He seems to be struggling with his command a bit in the early going.
3rd time – really, George?…
September 19th, 20127:32 pm
DODGERS ARE A DISGRACE. YOU HEAR HOW THEY ARE IN PLAYOFF HUNT. THEY CANT DO SH**t
BELIEVE IN THE MEDS.
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