“Why would this happen? Especially if Hanson pitches well enough tonight?”
I dunno, hopefully the illogical brain trust that is the Atlanta Braves that didn’t want to start Medlen EVER, and who wanted to give Martin Prado away for Seth Smith, would choose to bench Hanson after a good start. It could happen. Maybe build up his trade value.
Really he is just a nightmare to watch pitch. Slow delievery, can’t throw strikes, deep counts, stolen bases, predictable curveball homers. I suppose it is a blessing he only goes 5 innings, if he got all the way through the 6th I might go even more crazy.
Did y’all know that Tommy Hanson has a 2.05 ERA in 22 career innings in Philadelphia? Except for a rain-shorted 2-inning outing in 2009, he has gone, 6, 7, and 7 innings in the other three starts. His last start in Philadelphia, in early July, was also the last time he pitched 7 innings.
The Phillies are a hot team and they get to face Hanson? Oh brother. Remember how the past couple of seasons we would say, “Well, if the Braves could sweep the Phillies….?” It’s the other way now.
The Braves don’t have to sweep the Phillies, 2 out of 3 would be great, however even at this stage 1 out of 3 may be acceptable. Just don’t go down whimpering in all 3 games.
MF, so is Maholm… the dude can put his own people asleep. It’s usually best if you want your defense to be at it’s top game to work more quickly on the mound.
Maybe you guys should get VJ to clear up your fencing terms for ya…..after all, with his infinite wisdom in so many areas of life, I’m confident he can set us all straight in a hurry.
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I do appreciate your veiled references to me correcting people all the time – but feel free to make fun of me if that makes you happy…
If we are basing our choices off of very recent performance, then there might be advantages for and against… I tend to look at the rotation and see a top fastball speed of 91 and figure, “doesn’t matter who pitches.”
John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
Not Tommy. Maholm is iffy, I’d be okay with Mike. He’s been our 2nd best starter since July 1. It’s a very interesting idea, Fredi would be praised it if it works, hated if it doesn’t.
Up until now, I’ve been in agreement that our #1 need this offseason was a RH power LF. I’ve changed my mind. It’s now getting Hanson out the rotation (likely meaning off this team). And since he’s done well in Philly, we can trade him there. Maybe they’ll give us Ruf for him
John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
Not Tommy. Maholm is iffy, I’d be okay with Mike. He’s been our 2nd best starter since July 1. It’s a very interesting idea, Fredi would be praised it if it works, hated if it doesn’t.
It looks more and more like it will be the Cardinals in the playoff game, and they kill lefties. I would not put Minor or Maholm in there against them. If by some miracle the Dodgers wind up in that game…they struggle against southpaws even worse than the Braves. Hmm….
Maybe you guys should get VJ to clear up your fencing terms for ya…..after all, with his infinite wisdom in so many areas of life, I’m confident he can set us all straight in a hurry.
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I do appreciate your veiled references to me correcting people all the time – but feel free to make fun of me if that makes you happy…
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I wasn’t making fun.
“John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.”
Yep, it is what I’ve been saying too. The 1-game playoff doesn’t mean anything if you can’t win the 5-game series. It’s a huge circular argument though.
The Wild Card game is an elimination game… the path to the World Series starts with this must-win game.
If you’re going to get beat and knocked out of the playoffs, then make them beat you at your best with your best pitcher (MEDLEN) on the mound.
Teams don’t get to the playoffs with only 1 good pitcher. A Hudson/Minor duo in those first two games is a good setup… then the team has Medlen, probably their most unflappable, unwaivering pitcher, taking the mound on the road in a possible series-clinching situation.
Utter nonsense and pathetic just pathetic. I am out and hope anyone else who is a Vet will follow suit. We fought and died for these freedoms. I don’t know if Mr. O’brien has served his country, I can only say I hope not with these type of views.
Thank you for your service to our country, Tomawalkin.
But, now, get your facts straight. The addled George_George and his weird bud, ACE, haven’t been banned from the blog. ACE is – shall we say – on probation. George_George hasn’t been issued the same. If I were king for a day, I give both these oddballs the heave-ho.
As far as your intimation that this is a “freedom of speech” issue, I’d respectfully suggest that you educate yourself as to where freedom of speech extends and doesn’t.
@Tomawalkin-Don’t know if you will read this since you said you would not be back but your post certainly gives us something to think abuot.
Thanks for your service to our country and I agree that freedom of speech should not be limited to certain areas.
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Yet you walked out of a press conference this very week because you didn’t like the first question…..
I would not put Minor or Maholm in there against them.
Just checked, Minor’s had it rough against the Cards, 2 games, 9.1 IP, and a 9.31 ERA. 5 HR allowed… Beltran is 4-7 against him. Though, Minor is much better now… Still all for Meds pitching that game.
You are correct Murph, it’d be 4 days of rest for Meds. Play-in is Friday, NLDS starts for us on Sunday. Off day on Tuesday, Meds would be back to pitch on Wednesday.
MFin: 5th or 6th? It’s the playoffs, Hanson would have an ever shorter leash. Try the 4th!
Bat, I’m left handed,think Earl Anthony with a little less talent. I stood as far right as possible and still fighting to keep it on lane. On right lane snuck over a little bit into next guys lane and could keep it on lane a little better. A couple of times it looked like that John Elway throw when Deion was trying to cover. What a hook and a lot of fun.
theonlybraves John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
i love smoltzy. this is stupid, though.
WC game – Medlen
Game 1 – Hudson
Game 2 – Minor
Game 3 – Medlen
brian from SC Murph, would be Meds be going on 3 days rest there? I don’t know about that.
nope. play in game is the 5th. off day the 6th. game 1 the 7th, game two the 8th, off day the 9th, game three the tenth.
Bat Masterson…..The Braves will have plenty of money to sign both Josh Hamilton and Cody Ross. Chipper’s $14 mil is coming off the books, Derek Lowe’s $10 mil (the Indians are paying $5 mil of Lowe’s $15 mil salary), Jair Jurrjens’ $5.5 mil coming off (he will surely be non-tendered).
That’s $34.5 mil in salary coming off the books. I’d rather pay Hamilton and Ross that kind of money….than the trio of Chipper, Lowe and Jurrjens.
That’s where the money is coming from. Hamilton and Ross would add some serious power to our line-up.
Brian from SC – that is an interesting take. I completely understand his logic behind his thoughts, but I don’t know if I totally agree. Unless by some fluke of fate the Braves win the division, they won’t be able to get to the division series without winning the coin flip game. If Hudson, Malholm, Minor, Hanson lose a division series game, that’s just one game. If they lose the WC game, then the season ends. As much as I would like to see Medlen start games 1 and 5, I still think he needs to be on the bump for the WC game. There won’t be a game 1 or 5 if the Braves don’t win that game.
You can’t bowl a 300 game without a strike in the first frame.
You can’t get to the Division Series by losing the WC game. That game is the most important game of the playoffs at the current time. Don’t try to set up the DS rotation before you get there.
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MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:14 pm
“Why would this happen? Especially if Hanson pitches well enough tonight?”
I dunno, hopefully the illogical brain trust that is the Atlanta Braves that didn’t want to start Medlen EVER, and who wanted to give Martin Prado away for Seth Smith, would choose to bench Hanson after a good start. It could happen. Maybe build up his trade value.
Really he is just a nightmare to watch pitch. Slow delievery, can’t throw strikes, deep counts, stolen bases, predictable curveball homers. I suppose it is a blessing he only goes 5 innings, if he got all the way through the 6th I might go even more crazy.
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
2:15 pm
Maybe you guys should get VJ to clear up your fencing terms for ya
I’m clear on terminology, just a little weak on proper application of them to a blog-posting lawyer. Ha!
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
2:16 pm
Did y’all know that Tommy Hanson has a 2.05 ERA in 22 career innings in Philadelphia? Except for a rain-shorted 2-inning outing in 2009, he has gone, 6, 7, and 7 innings in the other three starts. His last start in Philadelphia, in early July, was also the last time he pitched 7 innings.
TennesseePaul
September 21st, 2012
2:17 pm
You should really, really hope that there is never a period when Little Game loses his command for a stretch
Happened in his last start. He got to 3 balls on a couple of batters.
Completely out of no where.
Then right back on top of it once he got settled in and saw the hitters more. He’s like a fine wine. Gets better with time.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
I can’t wait for a great Tommy Hanson start. I’d love for this team to win a game.
tony austin
September 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
The Phillies are a hot team and they get to face Hanson? Oh brother. Remember how the past couple of seasons we would say, “Well, if the Braves could sweep the Phillies….?” It’s the other way now.
The Braves don’t have to sweep the Phillies, 2 out of 3 would be great, however even at this stage 1 out of 3 may be acceptable. Just don’t go down whimpering in all 3 games.
Bat Masterson
September 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
AT_
Not that bad. I guess Robert did not want to stick around since he can’t really bash Cox anymore.
Arkansas Transplant
September 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
MF, so is Maholm… the dude can put his own people asleep. It’s usually best if you want your defense to be at it’s top game to work more quickly on the mound.
Murph
September 21st, 2012
2:19 pm
Anyone seen the trailer for the Jackie Robinson movie coming out next year? Looks awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCduxL8ELwQ&feature=youtu.be
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
2:19 pm
Did y’all know that Tommy Hanson has a 2.05 ERA in 22 career innings in Philadelphia?
What?!?
Don’t tell The Gang Of Three. Nothng good could come of it.
nolie
September 21st, 2012
2:20 pm
When you start saying freedom of speech doesn’t apply here where does it end. …Toma
it never started here, there is no right to freedom of speech in such a place, never has been
phil
September 21st, 2012
2:21 pm
I guess that Robert fella was the reason Cox finally retired….
sigh.
Venice Jim
September 21st, 2012
2:21 pm
Maybe you guys should get VJ to clear up your fencing terms for ya…..after all, with his infinite wisdom in so many areas of life, I’m confident he can set us all straight in a hurry.
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I do appreciate your veiled references to me correcting people all the time – but feel free to make fun of me if that makes you happy…
nolie
September 21st, 2012
2:22 pm
Not that bad. I guess Robert did not want to stick around since he can’t really bash Cox anymore…Bat
but he still gets in a shot or two when he does show up, and I think he is still paying for the Cox page on BBRef
phil
September 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
nolie….
there you go, stating fact again.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
I actually like watching Maholm pitch at least he can get the double play, hold runners, and go deep into games.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
2:25 pm
Interesting take by Smoltz. Any dare to agree?
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/2012/09/21/smoltz-believes-braves-should-skip-hudson-and-medlen-in-the-wild-card-game/
O.M.G.
September 21st, 2012
2:26 pm
Tom, Thank You for your service. And also to all Vets.
TennesseePaul
September 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
Any dare to agree
If we are basing our choices off of very recent performance, then there might be advantages for and against… I tend to look at the rotation and see a top fastball speed of 91 and figure, “doesn’t matter who pitches.”
Lane Kiffin
September 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
@Tomawalkin-Don’t know if you will read this since you said you would not be back but your post certainly gives us something to think abuot.
Thanks for your service to our country and I agree that freedom of speech should not be limited to certain areas.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
Beltran just sacrifice bunted in the 1st inning with none out and a runner on 2nd base.
WTH
Bat Masterson
September 21st, 2012
2:29 pm
Tomawalkin @ 2:14
Bravo, I love parody
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:30 pm
John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
Not Tommy. Maholm is iffy, I’d be okay with Mike. He’s been our 2nd best starter since July 1. It’s a very interesting idea, Fredi would be praised it if it works, hated if it doesn’t.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:30 pm
Up until now, I’ve been in agreement that our #1 need this offseason was a RH power LF. I’ve changed my mind. It’s now getting Hanson out the rotation (likely meaning off this team). And since he’s done well in Philly, we can trade him there. Maybe they’ll give us Ruf for him
John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
Not Tommy. Maholm is iffy, I’d be okay with Mike. He’s been our 2nd best starter since July 1. It’s a very interesting idea, Fredi would be praised it if it works, hated if it doesn’t.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
2:30 pm
It looks more and more like it will be the Cardinals in the playoff game, and they kill lefties. I would not put Minor or Maholm in there against them. If by some miracle the Dodgers wind up in that game…they struggle against southpaws even worse than the Braves. Hmm….
CB
September 21st, 2012
2:31 pm
Bat and AT, you ever bowl on lanes they had stripped the oil off of lanes? Whoa
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:31 pm
“Beltran just sacrifice bunted in the 1st inning with none out and a runner on 2nd base.”
That’s like my personal heaven. Sac bunts and Beltran. Together though they do sound silly.
Bat Masterson
September 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
but he still gets in a shot or two when he does show up, and I think he is still paying for the Cox page on BBRef
A cry for help if there ever was one.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
I tend to look at the rotation and see a top fastball speed of 91 and figure, “doesn’t matter who pitches.”
And that is the saddest friggin thing in the world. Not that you think it, but that I think it also and nothing will be done about it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
ignore the 1st part of my second 2:30. Don’t even know how that got there. Didn’t add anything to my post, yet the 2nd is longer…
phil
September 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
Venice Jim
September 21st, 2012
2:21 pm
Maybe you guys should get VJ to clear up your fencing terms for ya…..after all, with his infinite wisdom in so many areas of life, I’m confident he can set us all straight in a hurry.
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I do appreciate your veiled references to me correcting people all the time – but feel free to make fun of me if that makes you happy…
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I wasn’t making fun.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
“John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.”
Yep, it is what I’ve been saying too. The 1-game playoff doesn’t mean anything if you can’t win the 5-game series. It’s a huge circular argument though.
Murph
September 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
The Wild Card game is an elimination game… the path to the World Series starts with this must-win game.
If you’re going to get beat and knocked out of the playoffs, then make them beat you at your best with your best pitcher (MEDLEN) on the mound.
Teams don’t get to the playoffs with only 1 good pitcher. A Hudson/Minor duo in those first two games is a good setup… then the team has Medlen, probably their most unflappable, unwaivering pitcher, taking the mound on the road in a possible series-clinching situation.
WC game – Medlen
Game 1 – Hudson
Game 2 – Minor
Game 3 – Medlen
Works for me.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
Murph, would be Meds be going on 3 days rest there? I don’t know about that.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
Utter nonsense and pathetic just pathetic. I am out and hope anyone else who is a Vet will follow suit. We fought and died for these freedoms. I don’t know if Mr. O’brien has served his country, I can only say I hope not with these type of views.
Thank you for your service to our country, Tomawalkin.
But, now, get your facts straight. The addled George_George and his weird bud, ACE, haven’t been banned from the blog. ACE is – shall we say – on probation. George_George hasn’t been issued the same. If I were king for a day, I give both these oddballs the heave-ho.
As far as your intimation that this is a “freedom of speech” issue, I’d respectfully suggest that you educate yourself as to where freedom of speech extends and doesn’t.
DiamondbackMac
September 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
Robert
Nice torts!!!!!
Nice retort.
phil
September 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
Lane Kiffin
September 21st, 2012
2:27 pm
@Tomawalkin-Don’t know if you will read this since you said you would not be back but your post certainly gives us something to think abuot.
Thanks for your service to our country and I agree that freedom of speech should not be limited to certain areas.
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Yet you walked out of a press conference this very week because you didn’t like the first question…..
lol
Bat Masterson
September 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
Bat and AT, you ever bowl on lanes they had stripped the oil off of lanes? Whoa _ CB
Lord, no. How does that work?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
I would not put Minor or Maholm in there against them.
Just checked, Minor’s had it rough against the Cards, 2 games, 9.1 IP, and a 9.31 ERA. 5 HR allowed… Beltran is 4-7 against him. Though, Minor is much better now… Still all for Meds pitching that game.
Murph
September 21st, 2012
2:39 pm
Brian, isn’t there an off-day between the WC game and the division series?
So… they get that day off, then Hudson, then Minor, then a day off, then Medlen. i think.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:39 pm
Well if it is the Cardinals or Brewers I feel we are probably screwed anyways.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
Murphy, yes, there is. So you’re good.
Arkansas Transplant
September 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
actually like watching Maholm pitch at least he can ….go deep into games.
Your talking about the ball here, right?
Bat and AT, you ever bowl on lanes they had stripped the oil off of lanes? Whoa _ CB
Not completely stripped but close to it. You’d definitely want a plastic ball for that.
Robert
September 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
In and out between jobs at work – trying to follow the blog
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
Why don’t we just use Tommy Hanson in the play-in game and make it a bullpen game in the 5th or 6th.
Murph
September 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
Didn’t anybody watch the movie trailer I posted? I thought this group would be hootin’ and hollerin’ about a Jackie Robinson movie.
Oh well, I’m excited about it either way.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
“Jackie Robinson movie.”
That’s the guy that once a year ruins baseball by making all the players wear nameless 42 jerseys right?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
You are correct Murph, it’d be 4 days of rest for Meds. Play-in is Friday, NLDS starts for us on Sunday. Off day on Tuesday, Meds would be back to pitch on Wednesday.
MFin: 5th or 6th? It’s the playoffs, Hanson would have an ever shorter leash. Try the 4th!
CB
September 21st, 2012
2:46 pm
Bat, I’m left handed,think Earl Anthony with a little less talent. I stood as far right as possible and still fighting to keep it on lane. On right lane snuck over a little bit into next guys lane and could keep it on lane a little better. A couple of times it looked like that John Elway throw when Deion was trying to cover. What a hook and a lot of fun.
David O'Brien
September 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
New BLOGGAGE for the people
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/21/things-different-in-chippers-last-trip-to-city-of-brotherly-boooo/
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
Andrew Baggarly @CSNBaggs
BREAKING AND EXCLUSIVE: Melky Cabrera ruled ineligible to win NL batting title. Our story: http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-san-francisco-giants/giants-talk/EXCLUSIVE-Melky-Cabrera-ruled-ineligible
Finally.
Bat Masterson
September 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
CB_
A little less talent, huh. Okay
Sounds like fun.
DAP
September 21st, 2012
2:52 pm
theonlybraves John Smoltz has been arguing that the Braves should look at the big picture by bravely opting to send one of their other starting pitchers – Mike Minor, Paul Maholm or Tommy Hanson – to the mound for this one game.
i love smoltzy. this is stupid, though.
WC game – Medlen
Game 1 – Hudson
Game 2 – Minor
Game 3 – Medlen
brian from SC Murph, would be Meds be going on 3 days rest there? I don’t know about that.
nope. play in game is the 5th. off day the 6th. game 1 the 7th, game two the 8th, off day the 9th, game three the tenth.
Mixxo
September 21st, 2012
2:55 pm
“Why don’t we just use Tommy Hanson in the play-in game and make it a bullpen game in the 5th or 6th.”
You mean, like we’re doing tonight?
Antwan Mitchell
September 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
Bat Masterson…..The Braves will have plenty of money to sign both Josh Hamilton and Cody Ross. Chipper’s $14 mil is coming off the books, Derek Lowe’s $10 mil (the Indians are paying $5 mil of Lowe’s $15 mil salary), Jair Jurrjens’ $5.5 mil coming off (he will surely be non-tendered).
That’s $34.5 mil in salary coming off the books. I’d rather pay Hamilton and Ross that kind of money….than the trio of Chipper, Lowe and Jurrjens.
That’s where the money is coming from. Hamilton and Ross would add some serious power to our line-up.
tony austin
September 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
Brian from SC – that is an interesting take. I completely understand his logic behind his thoughts, but I don’t know if I totally agree. Unless by some fluke of fate the Braves win the division, they won’t be able to get to the division series without winning the coin flip game. If Hudson, Malholm, Minor, Hanson lose a division series game, that’s just one game. If they lose the WC game, then the season ends. As much as I would like to see Medlen start games 1 and 5, I still think he needs to be on the bump for the WC game. There won’t be a game 1 or 5 if the Braves don’t win that game.
nolie
September 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
I’ve changed my mind. It’s now getting Hanson out the rotation (likely meaning off this team)…TOBF
you just denied being a Hanson hater and the next thing out of your keyboard is this? you have been going on and on about Hanson for a while now,
tony austin
September 21st, 2012
3:34 pm
You can’t bowl a 300 game without a strike in the first frame.
You can’t get to the Division Series by losing the WC game. That game is the most important game of the playoffs at the current time. Don’t try to set up the DS rotation before you get there.