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Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
7:22 am
I hope I’m dead wrong, but ever think that something as silly as a blog like this might be about all that some people have? — phil
Speak for yourself,
JohnphilCouch Tater
September 21st, 2012
7:23 am
[Durham Bulls Manager, Leon] Roberts recalls a laughing moment with his No. 3 hitter.
“I gave him the green light on a 3-0 pitch and he didn’t know what to do,” the former Bulls manager said. “He didn’t move.”
The next day Roberts spoke with Jones about his hesitance at the plate, only to find out that Jones had been taught to never swing at a 3-0 pitch.
“He goes, ‘I’ve never swung at it my entire life,’ ” Roberts said, laughing at the memory. “That surprised the heck out of me, but other than that he was a real solid player.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/04/2188876/even-in-1992-durham-bulls-knew.html#storylink=cpy
Photo of Chipper as a Durham Bull…
http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2012/07/09/21/01/vakq4.Em.156.jpeg
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
7:29 am
Cincinnati and Washington became the first teams to clinch a playoff spot yesterday. Here are the up-to-the-second magic numbers for each race:
NL East – Washington – 8
NL Central – Cincinnati – 2
NL West – San Francisco – 3
NL Playoffs (relative to Milwaukee, first team out)
Washington – clinched
Cincinnati – clinched
San Francisco – 3 (relative to Los Angeles for division)
Atlanta – 5
St. Louis – 11
AL East – New York – 13
AL Central – Chicago – 12
AL West – Texas – 10
AL Playoffs (relative to Los Angeles, first team out)
Texas – 5
New York – 8
Baltimore – 9
Oakland – 9
Chicago – 12 (relative to Detroit for division)
The only clinching that can happen today is in the NL Central, where the Reds will take the division crown with a win and a Cardinals loss.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
7:35 am
On the other side of the coin, the Mets were eliminated from playoff contention with their 16-1 loss to Philadelphia last night. With the Reds’ win, the Brewers were eliminated from the NL Central race.
Here are the elimination numbers for the trailing teams:
NL Playoffs (relative to St. Louis, last team in)
San Diego – 5
Arizona – 8
Pittsburgh – 8
Philadelphia – 9
Los Angeles – 10
Milwaukee – 11
AL Playoffs (relative to Oakland/Baltimore, last teams in)
Kansas City – 1 (relative to Chicago in division)
Tampa Bay – 8
Los Angeles – 9
Detroit – 12 (relative to Chicago in division)
Kansas City would be eliminated with a loss OR a White Sox win. Arizona will be eliminated from the NL West race with a loss OR a Giants win. As I covered in the previous post, St. Louis would be eliminated from the NL Central race with a loss AND a Reds win.
Couch Tater
September 21st, 2012
7:41 am
Flange – Matt Kuchar’s comments about his round, yesterday.
“Yeah, just an easy 12 footer.”
Matt seems like a nice guy, so…why did he disrespect me like that? Biotch.
Couch Tater
September 21st, 2012
7:51 am
Flange – ..but, still not as bad as 17 y/o Lexi. 6606 yds. 63. WTF???
I need a new swing coach. Fire Tater!!!
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
7:53 am
Statement Series Time….!
Its Good we took 2 out of 3 in the 305, but Throttle Back Folks…This series against the Phillies is Huge, it will be a good evaluation of what this streaky ass offense will lookmlike against playoff pitching
Gotta Take 2 out of 3 against their playoff rotation. Another series loss to the Braves will be like a Kick in the Balls to Phillies fans who enjoyed mocking the Chop a year ago when we got Clowned up their last year during the collapse
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
7:54 am
So, the Angels and Rangers played yesterday, pitting a nice young Japanese star pitcher against we-know-who.
Both pitched well, going 8 innings. One allowed 4 Hits, 1 ER, 1BB, and K’d 9. The other allowed 5 Hits, 1 ER, and K’d 8.
Once again, the Angels shaky bullpen bites them as “Ernesto Frieri” allows 2 runs in the top of the 9th on a HR to lose the game for the Angels. The offense could muster nothing in the bottom of the 9th. 3-1 your score.
Having bad luck in Anaheim, they ain’t scoring runs for him, and the ‘pen is very shaky. Defense isn’t great either. Why would he stay there?
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
7:55 am
TOBF, maybe because they will offer him more money than anyone else?
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
7:56 am
Damn, Its Friday Morning…Nasty Typos
I meant to say “when we got Clowned up there last year”
I won’t be watching tonight…Its a Double Kegger/Bonfire Night, So I get to listen to Boog Powell and Hopefully Don Sutton will be back on radio….
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
7:59 am
Where has Don Sutton been?
flange1
September 21st, 2012
8:01 am
Couch,
Those greens at East Lake are pretty close to perfect. IF you can read them, 12 footers aren’t so tough. I really struggle reading those greens! VERY subtle.
And the swings taught to the kids these days is nothing like what I was taught. When I played in college, we played 18 holes a day and practiced maybe an hour or so each day.
Kids today do all of that + spend a huge amount of time training on a program designed to build “golf” muscles. The difference in swing speeds is astounding when on these programs.
It is real fun playing with these kids and pounding your best drive, then they take out a 3 or 4 hybrid and blow it right by you.
Couch Tater
September 21st, 2012
8:06 am
Lexi – You ain’t got nothin’.
..$2 a hole. Give me
68 a side. I’ll show you!..No trash.
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:08 am
This series against the Phillies is Huge, it will be a good evaluation of what this streaky ass offense will look like against playoff pitching — Tomahawkin
I see your point and I’d agree, except, the intensity level of the Braves’ hitters won’t be there the way it would be if it were the playoffs. The Braves don’t really have to win this series, but it would be good to see them hit these guys.
It would not only build confidence in them… it would build confidence in US!
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
8:10 am
It’s obviously a much bigger series for Philadelphia. Hopefully the fact that the Braves are loose will help them out. It’ll be tough sleddin’ against that rotation, though.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:16 am
Did ACE get Bozo’d…?
Kat
September 21st, 2012
8:16 am
Venice Jim @ 12:45 am .. yes you were correct I wouldn’t be on at 12:45 haha, was in bed watching tv. And our Giants were great, only problem is I had Cruz on my fantasy team so after they were up a lot they wanted to run the clock out and Cruz got no action.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:17 am
Where has Don Sutton been?
I dunno, Ben Ingram has been filling in for him on radio…
Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 21st, 2012
8:18 am
HAMELS not in the series? CHINCH, we sweep!
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:18 am
Did ACE get Bozo’d…?
Just warned, I believe, Tomahawkin
Trader Jack
September 21st, 2012
8:18 am
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
7:59 am
Where has Don Sutton been?
Rumor has it he played Pine Valley yesterday – LOL
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:20 am
Mornin’ richbrave. I see you slept well too.
Couch Tater
September 21st, 2012
8:20 am
Flange – But it hurts the next day, when I workout. How can I win a dollar nassau, when I’m too stove up to get in the cart and the beer girl is giggling at me?
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:21 am
NM…Yep Ace is in Bozoland…Just caught up with the convo’s from last night….
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
8:22 am
Can’t bozo Ace, our offense might go in the tank again and we’ll collapse. He has the same effect as Mixxo….
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:24 am
Matt Chernoff on Sports Radio 680thefan Asked this yesterday:
What is the Probability of the Braves winning that Stupid WC elimination game with Little Big Man MEDS on the mound?
He said 75 percent, its not higher because he doesnt think the offense will show up
I’m going with 55 percent becaue the Braves offense wont show up or we will get screwed by an Umpire or bad mental errors on the bases, that always seems to happen to the Braves in big games
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:25 am
NM…Yep Ace is in Bozoland…Just caught up with the convo’s from last night…. — Tomahawkin
I could be wrong, T, but I don’t remember DOB doing anything but warning him. Where are you seeing him bozo’d?
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:25 am
I meant to say
“He said 75 percent, its not higher because he doesnt think the offense will not show up”
Damn its Friday Morning, I need some coffee
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:27 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
“Can’t bozo Ace, our offense might go in the tank again and we’ll collapse. He has the same effect as Mixxo….”
Put your money on the offense tanking in that Stupid WC game…
I hope its not a 4pm start time, that means people who live in the “A” are not gonna go due to the traffic
Nothing worse than when Turner Field becomes Busch Stadium South
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:28 am
I’m going with 55 percent becaue the Braves offense wont show up or we will get screwed by an Umpire or bad mental errors on the bases, that always seems to happen to the Braves in big games — Tomahawkin
I’m afraid to ask what you think will go wrong with the opposition at only 45% probability of winning.
Mixxo
September 21st, 2012
8:29 am
Mornin’ denizens. I see the blog po-po have been working overtime. Ahh….the empowerment !!
Statement Series this weekend….in more ways then one.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:32 am
Dudgers lose the series to the Nats. Guess that’s why they’re the Dud-gers.
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:33 am
po-po??? That one was a whooooooshhhhhh…..
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:36 am
Bobby H
I’m going with 55 percent becaue the Braves offense wont show up or we will get screwed by an Umpire or bad mental errors on the bases, that always seems to happen to the Braves in big games — Tomahawkin
I’m afraid to ask what you think will go wrong with the opposition at only 45% probability of winning.
The opposition doesn’t know abt Little Big Man MEDS, That’s That Dude!
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
8:36 am
Dudgers lose the series to the Nats. Guess that’s why they’re the Dud-gers.
Some big-boy baseball coming up for them, though. I don’t have any problem seeing them finish up 5-8 or 4-9, even. Probably not enough losses, even with that, for the Braves. Dangit.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:37 am
One-game elimination prospects, per Tomahawkin:
I’m going with 55 percent becaue the Braves offense wont show up or we will get screwed by an Umpire or bad mental errors on the bases, that always seems to happen to the Braves in big games
Just guessing, amigo. Too much data and too many variables to load into the computer – brain or mechanical – to know.
I’m gonna guess the Braves’ chance of winning the one-game elimination match is 93.7324%.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:39 am
Some big-boy baseball coming up for them, though. I don’t have any problem seeing them finish up 5-8 or 4-9, even. Probably not enough losses, even with that, for the Braves. Dangit.
Yep. What about the Cards? They’re starting to get their act together.
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:40 am
The opposition doesn’t know abt Little Big Man MEDS, That’s That Dude!
Good call, then, Tomahawkin! (although I think you should give him more like, 85% – he’s won 21 straight for us!)
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
8:40 am
One-game elimination prospects, per Tomahawkin:
Reading that stuff will rot your brain, dude. Step…away.
Brian from SC
September 21st, 2012
8:43 am
The Braves’ magic number for clinching the FIRST wild card spot, and home field in the playoff game, is 6. Tie would go to the Braves since they won the season series with St. Louis.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:44 am
Bobby H
“The opposition doesn’t know abt Little Big Man MEDS, That’s That Dude!
Good call, then, Tomahawkin! (although I think you should give him more like, 85% – he’s won 21 straight for us!):”
Thats The Thing that was said on Sports radio yesterday, he’s due to have a Game where he is off
Matt Chernoff said it best yesterday
As Dominating as Maddux was during the Regular season,For whatever reason he would have his slip ups in the post-season…Ditto for Glavine
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
8:44 am
I’m gonna go with a 93.14159% chance of the Braves winning the play-in.
Truth is, we don’t really know what’s gonna happen. We can have probabilities and stuff, but the game’s gotta be played to find out.
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
8:45 am
Now that I think about it, though, Braves have gone 10-4 in their last 14, so maybe 10-2 in the last 12 isn’t so far-fetched. If they can’t win it with 96, then I’ll just have to be a cap-tippin’ fool and give the Nats credit.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:46 am
ncscoots
One-game elimination prospects, per Tomahawkin:
“Reading that stuff will rot your brain, dude. Step…away.”
Is that what it does to you?
GOOD!
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:49 am
Thats The Thing that was said on Sports radio yesterday, he’s due to have a Game where he is off — Tomahawkin
That’s true, T. I’m surprised he’s gone this long so flawlessly. If he has to have a game off, though, let’s hope it’s before the playoffs. He still has a couple of starts left.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:53 am
“Reading that stuff will rot your brain, dude. Step…away.”
scoots is onto something.
Say, Tomahawkin, as I recall, didn’t you predict that the “Curly Ws” would roll the Braves in three straight? I can’t recall if you gave percentages on that happening, though.
phil
September 21st, 2012
8:54 am
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
7:07 am
You guys have chased ACE away… — phil
Who, EXACTLY, are “you guys”? The only one I remember having words that would chase someone away was DOB. Since ACE was last here, there were only a few of us on the blog. richbrave, Ward, John Leonard & I certainly didn’t chase him away.
So, who the hell are you talking about, phil?
***********
A little sensitive, Bob?
I was speaking in general terms. Obviously I’m not talking about you, so why the defensive, angry reaction? “you guys” covers weeks, not just last night. Maybe he should be run off. But in general, the guy is just as harmless as the next one, and a LOT less snarky and angry than some around here.
But you can relax. It wasn’t aimed at you.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:56 am
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
“Say, Tomahawkin, as I recall, didn’t you predict that the “Curly Ws” would roll the Braves in three straight? I can’t recall if you gave percentages on that happening, though.”
Yeah, And I told everyone to “Bank on It!”…
They looked like Crap in that Milwaukee series before that, and plus there was no pressure, The Division race ended 2 weeks ago…
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
8:57 am
Jeff R
“Reading that stuff will rot your brain, dude. Step…away.”
scoots is onto something.
That dude Can’t stand me, I’m under his skin…He calls my posts pure Trash, I’m not a know it all like he is
I wanna grow up to be just like him one day!
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
8:57 am
This is like Braves purgatory/death row. Wait around 2 weeks for a 1-game play-in game when you are better than the other team by 5+ games. Fun times in Bravo land.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:57 am
ACE gone? I don’t believe it! He’ll be back – eventually. Just like a stink bug.
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
8:58 am
phil… You’re full of CRAPPOLA and you KNOW IT!!!! What a bunch of B.. freakin’ S!
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
8:58 am
T-Hawkin predicts series losses for the Braves every time out it seems. As we’ve been winning series (hence our great record) he’s been wrong a lot…
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
8:58 am
Zack Greinke with another strong outing down the stretch for the Angels. High pressure situation, and Greinke delivers with another great outing – 8 IP, 5 hits, 1 ER, 0 BB’s 8 K’s.
I’d absolutely rather have Zack Greinke on this team next year instead of Michael Bourn – who by the way, has folded two consecutive years in the 2nd Half of the season.
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
8:59 am
If [Medlen] has to have a game off, though, let’s hope it’s before the playoffs.
Except Medlen hasn’t shown where he even has the potential to be off. He’d have to start missing location by two inches on more pitches than not, and his delivery looks too dialed in with repeatability for that to happen. In addition, because his arm slot and arm speed are so nearly identical on all three pitches, hitters might not even be able to square up on balls that catch too much of the plate, as long as he isn’t throwing to hitters’ counts too much.
No sane person thinks he’ll be able maintain some sub-1 ERA over a long period of time, but this isn’t a “long period of time” we’re talking about. Half-a-dozen starts or so through the playoffs. Not unreasonable to think he can maintain his so-far-superhuman performance for those. Pitchers have streaks of excellence like that, all the time.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:00 am
Yeah, And I told everyone to “Bank on It!”…
They looked like Crap in that Milwaukee series before that, and plus there was no pressure, The Division race ended 2 weeks ago…
I highly doubt the Braves and Nats thought as you did. You’z just rationalizing and projecting.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:02 am
“I’d absolutely rather have Zack Greinke on this team next year instead of Michael Bourn – who by the way, has folded two consecutive years in the 2nd Half of the season.”
I wouldn’t. Bourn is still the more valuable player than Greinke. And who cares if he folds in the 2nd half. He is the main reason we are currently up 6 games in the Wild Card.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
9:02 am
MFin04
“This is like Braves purgatory/death row. Wait around 2 weeks for a 1-game play-in game when you are better than the other team by 5+ games. Fun times in Bravo land.”
Yes, lets break out the KEG
Trader Jack
September 21st, 2012
9:02 am
There are certain bloggers here that remind me of voters in certain European countries, who on election day vote for the communist candidate, then run to the nearest church and pray to God that he loses
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:04 am
Zack’s younger, and just reaching his prime for his position. Bourn is already in it, and might be crossing to the other side.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:04 am
I’d absolutely rather have Zack Greinke on this team next year instead of Michael Bourn – who by the way, has folded two consecutive years in the 2nd Half of the season.
Certainly, if that were the choice, agreed. But the Angels have the budget and the motivation to retain Greinke’s services. I see Greinke staying put in Anaheim. And at this point, Greinke is likely to command a higher dollar deal than Bourn, whose market value has had to have been hurt by his second half performance.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:05 am
I wouldn’t. Bourn is still the more valuable player than Greinke. And who cares if he folds in the 2nd half. He is the main reason we are currently up 6 games in the Wild Card.
Because the 2nd half of games still count, and Bourn has been awful since mid-June?
More Muffin Man logic.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:06 am
And say what you want about the Angels players (Trout, Greinke, etc.) but Ernesto Frieri certainly owes that team something. He’s struggled mightily as of late, blowing 2 saves and then a chance at a win last night.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:09 am
Michael Bourn will be paid less than Greinke and helps his team win more games. Less money, more wins. Not hard.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:09 am
Michael Bourn since June 16th – .234/.323/.332 – 85 games, 386 PA’s
Michael Bourn in the 2nd half – .216/.311/.300 – 64 games, 288 PA’s
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:10 am
Michael Bourn will be paid less than Greinke
He certainly will now due to both players 2nd halfs and body of work over the course of their careers.
ncscoots
September 21st, 2012
9:10 am
whose market value has had to have been hurt by his second half performance.
You would think, but I’m not so sure. GMs interested in the guy and with the wherewithal to pursue him aren’t going to think they’re buying his second half. If they did, they wouldn’t buy him at all. Buyers see the glam, not the warts.
Why do you think they call it “buyer’s remorse”?
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:11 am
Michael Bourn WAR 6.0
Zac? Greinke WAR 4.9
Wins are wins. Not to mention if the both are equally crappy in playoffs games it is a wash. But at least one guy can still play great defense in playoffs and save runs that way.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:12 am
Oh yes, and Michael Bourn in his career: .272/.337/.365, 90 OPS+
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:13 am
Greinke 6.48 ERA in the playoffs. Might be good in September but the mental illness kicks in in October.
phil
September 21st, 2012
9:13 am
Whatever, Bob. I don’t know a thing about you anyway…carry on.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:13 am
Since Aug. 1— Zack 5-1 with a 3.60 ERA in 10 starts, going 70 innings
Bourn .219/.338/.290/.628 in 46 games, 43 starts 21 Runs scored, 45 Ks
Greinke’s been the 25th most valuable pitcher for the year, Bourn 10th among position players (mainly built in 1st half)
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:14 am
I love it. Use WAR when it supports your arguement. Bash it when it doesn’t.
Michael Bourn is turning 30 years old in December and almost ALL of his value is dependent on his legs. Not exactly a smart call to extend a guy in his early 30’s who has worn down each of the last two years into the 2nd Half and his value is all in his legs.
phil
September 21st, 2012
9:14 am
ah, the fascination with stinky Grienke rumbles onward!
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:15 am
scoots, given Boras’ magic, I’m sure Bourn will still command a substantial contract. But I do think the value of that contract will be less than what Bourn could have gotten had he had a better second half.
I think the Braves will look for someone other than Bourn to meet their CF needs and likely for less cost.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:15 am
OPS 90+. If his value was solely based on that…but it isn’t. Defense, CFer, baserunning, leadoff hitter, ability to manufacture runs. Guy can affect a game in soo many ways.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:15 am
MFin: The guy’s only pitched in 2 playoff series, 3 starts I believe….
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:16 am
Also not smart to sign a pitcher for $20 million who will basically not show up in the playoffs.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:16 am
Greinke 6.48 ERA in the playoffs. Might be good in September but the mental illness kicks in in October.
You’re a fool, man. Perhaps the biggest one here.
phil
September 21st, 2012
9:17 am
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
8:57 am
ACE gone? I don’t believe it! He’ll be back – eventually. Just like a stink bug.
*********
LOL
I don’t know. He was pounded into oblivion by DOB last night. It was ugly.
And Bobby H feels not one ounce of remorse for his large role in it all.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:17 am
“The guy’s only pitched in 2 playoff series, 3 starts I believe….”
Yep, keeps leading his teams to playoffs year after year like a true Ace.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:18 am
OPS 90+. If his value was solely based on that…but it isn’t. Defense, CFer, baserunning, leadoff hitter, ability to manufacture runs. Guy can affect a game in soo many ways.
All based on his legs which deteriorate as a player gets older. Not smart to give him a boatload of money.
And I like Bourn for what he is, but Muffin Man logic is truly the worst.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:19 am
Defense? Can get that cheaper in Bourjos
CFer? Can get that with anyone… Bourjos, Jay etc
Baserunning? We have good baserunners, can be “learned” if necessary
Leadoff hitter? Prado
Ability to manufacture runs? Hard to do when you’re walking back to the dugout after a K. Can’t steal 1st base.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:20 am
You would think, but I’m not so sure. GMs interested in the guy and with the wherewithal to pursue him aren’t going to think they’re buying his second half. If they did, they wouldn’t buy him at all. Buyers see the glam, not the warts.
I get that. But if he kept going like he did in the first half, I think he’s getting six or seven years, 18-20 million per year. I don’t believe he’ll get that any longer….
phil
September 21st, 2012
9:20 am
Bourne/Boras isn’t coming back unless he continues to lie on his face until we’re done this season.
If he does continue to play like crap, maybe we can afford the guy then, but something tells me he gets more $ from someone and away he goes.
If he can’t play in August and September, then who cares.
Frankie
September 21st, 2012
9:20 am
“If they can’t win it with 96, then I’ll just have to be a cap-tippin’ fool and give the Nats credit.”
Might want to get a head start and do it now, clinch a spot for playoffs. Good for organization, their fans, and baseball overall. That’s a good team over there and have had a great season.
Harold Reynolds piping for Adam LaRoche as MVP in the NL. Please. Guy has had a really good season no doubt. Zimmerman is the leader on that team. That guy personifies their toughness.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:22 am
I don’t know. He [ACE] was pounded into oblivion by DOB last night. It was ugly.
I don’t blame DOB one iota for his warning to ACE. The guy’s fixation and taunting of DOB borders on the… weird. Correction: It is weird.
phil
September 21st, 2012
9:22 am
Roche for MVP? A bit of a stretch….
It should be Harper, just because.
Tomahawkin
September 21st, 2012
9:22 am
phil
“ah, the fascination with stinky Grienke rumbles onward!”
Yeah Really, SMH, watch he go to the Yankees, either way, I dont want him. we have cheaper options in the farm
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:22 am
He played for the Royals fercriss sake. That’s a horrible team. Yet he was able to put up good numbers despite the crap defense around him.
Also not smart to sign a pitcher for $20 million who will basically not show up in the playoffs.
I’d say it’s even more not smart to sign an aging CF for 15mil, maybe more, when he won’t show up for the entire 2nd half….
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:23 am
I’m not too worried about the Greinke/Bourn debate. Neither is going to happen, no money for either of them. Ultimately, I’d rather have Bourn. I think our pitching with the addition of Beachy for the long term should be pretty solid.
This team has become a playoff team with him and because of him. He is slumping now and may be worn down, but that doesn’t discount what he did in the first half to get this team the lead it now has. And this whole team has been full of slumps for some reason. Although I’m not sure you can call Brian McCann or Dan Uggla in slumps. They’ve basically just sucked for the whole season, and have had positive “streaks”.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 21st, 2012
9:24 am
Yep, keeps leading his teams to playoffs year after year like a true Ace.
Just like JJ… wait, what?
Bobby H
September 21st, 2012
9:25 am
Whatever, Bob. I don’t know a thing about you anyway…carry on. — phil @ 9:13
OK, phillie… learn a little bit about “Bob”.
You said at 8:54:
A little sensitive, Bob?
I was speaking in general terms. Obviously I’m not talking about you, so why the defensive, angry reaction? “you guys” covers weeks, not just last night. — phil
You clearly came on the blog and said, at 6:58 am, page 14, “You guys have chased ACE away…..the poor guy wasn’t that bad.”
Being there were only a handful of “guys” on the blog since ACE was last on the blog, I said, at 7:07 am, “Who, EXACTLY, are “you guys”? The only one I remember having words that would chase someone away was DOB. Since ACE was last here, there were only a few of us on the blog. richbrave, Ward, John Leonard & I certainly didn’t chase him away.
So, who the hell are you talking about, phil?”
I thought it was a legitimate question, phil.
So, then you come on at 8:54, almost two freakin’ hours later to tell me, “you guys covers weeks”???? (and a bunch of other BS)
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:26 am
Also not smart to sign a pitcher [Greinke] for $20 million who will basically not show up in the playoffs.
Be at peace. Greinke’s not coming to Atlanta. Or so I’ll wager.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:28 am
I think folks got caught up in 2 months of Bourn’s out of this world performance. Happens a lot here. Way too often.
Saw a lot of people beating their chest after Mike Minor’s performance in Arizona in April. Then he got destroyed. Seeing a lot more people reserved even after 3 months of great performance from Minor.
Best to relax and look at the big picture. Tough for some, though.
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:28 am
“Greinke’s not coming to Atlanta.”
Nope, and Bourn isn’t staying here. And if he is we should all be happy because he took a major discount in order to do so. Probably 12-13 million a year, which he is EASILY worth that.
Now if Greinke wants to come to the Braves for 12-13 million a year, heck I’ll take them both.
Frankie
September 21st, 2012
9:30 am
“This team has become a playoff team with him and because of him”
Guy had a great first half and great defense all year no doubt. Team is a playoff team having solid starting pitching outside of a slow start, great closer, and Martin Prado doing it all among other things.
Jeff R
September 21st, 2012
9:30 am
Bourn’s not taking a “major discount” to stay in Atlanta, or my name isn’t Scott Boras!
MFin04
September 21st, 2012
9:30 am
Big picture is that the Braves have the most valuable outfield in the NL and are a lock for the playoffs, in part due to Michael Bourn. The guy has been extremely valuable to the Braves this year, and unlike Dan Uggla and Brian McCann, had stretches where he was a phenomenal player.
Efrim
September 21st, 2012
9:31 am
Greinke is averaging 7 IP a start for the Angels(11 starts) with a 3.51 ERA. Much better last 8 starts.