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George_George
September 19th, 2012
11:18 am
nolie
September 19th, 2012
10:07 am
Wow, was really quiet over night. I thought there would be wailing and rending of garments all night.
Fredi is prolly not going anywhere if we get to the post season, even just the one game qualifier.
Not many managers with 90 wins get canned
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Good morning all
I will comment on game next post, but saw above and wanted to comment. Nolie I hope are wrong, true it would be difficaut to fire a MGR with 90 wins and a year to go on his contract. I wonder if LIBERTY MEDIA would ALLOW J.S. or F.W. to let FREDI go because then they would have to pay him a year for doing nothing. I say FREDI should stay if he can get past silly play-in game and win best of five series.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:19 am
But look at what Mike Trout is doing as a CF. It;s insane. He’s hitting like a 1st baseman, while still playing great defense at a premium position. And he’s like the best baserunner in the league. It’s not even close, imo.
You don’t need WAR to tell you that though. There will be a big debate between Cabrera, Hamilton and Trout and it will be a fun debate as all those players are having exceptional years.
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
11:19 am
Talking about the Twins, is there any interest there in Revere? I know he has zero power but he’s 36-43 in SB and only K’s every 11 ABs (44 in 457 ABs)…doesn’t walk too much though….
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:19 am
If we did a trade like you suggest for Span/Willingham, Shields won’t be a Brave. Not enough prospects. We’d have to go hard after Greinke…
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:21 am
Also, keep away from Victorino…he’s not a leadoff hitter….
Based on his 2nd half stats, neither is Bourn.
Prado would be a fine leadoff hitter. He may not steal 50 bases a year, but that’s secondary.
I think getting an OF who could bat leadoff is a nice-to-have, but not a must-have.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:21 am
I am not going to just look at slash lines to compare players
You do this all the time. You post slash lines of a player like Bourn and argue he isn’t worth a lot of money based entirely on that slash line. And I’m fine with that. No one holds it against you because deep down, everyone knows Bourn isn’t worth $18M a year for 7 years.
David O'Brien
September 19th, 2012
11:21 am
It wasn’t noted anywhere in postgame notes, etc., but just noticed that Uggla’s 2 strikeouts last night gave him 157 for the season, breaking his own Braves franchise record of 156 set in ‘11.
Uggla’s 88 walks leads NL by 10 and ranks second in majors to Adam Dunn’s 98.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:22 am
I’ve always liked Denard Span. His current contract is perfect for the Braves. Guy plays great D, produces a solid OBP actually better than Bourn’s. More contact as well.
I do think it would be tough to swing a deal for both Span and Willingham tho.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:22 am
“There will be a big debate between Cabrera, Hamilton and Trout”
Hamilton actually isn’t anywhere close to those guys I noticed when looking through their stats. I’m assuming Trout will win just because of how much flashier he is as a player.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:22 am
Span is definitely a goner, and Willingham might be too. I’d clean house if I were them. Long ways away.
Maybe they put up Morneau, instead of Willingham. Josh is as good a value for them as the Braves, unfortunately, and Morneau might attract more trading partners. Dunno.
Willingham just seems such a perfect fit for the Braves, on the surface, and Twins appear to be a good trade partner fit. What the hey, got a division to win first.
Worry about it in November.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:23 am
A record that Bourn and Heyward might reach… if only Uggla wouldn’t K the rest of the year…
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:23 am
Trade away all the prospects + Hanson on Headley and Shields, sign Pagan, and call it an offseason.
raleighbravefan
September 19th, 2012
11:24 am
TOBF – (Yawn) …It’s fine to dream, but I don’t expect Shields OR Greinke to be a Brave next year. If you are right, I’ll tip my hat to you…and to Wren (unless, of course, we way overpay for Greinke).
DAP
September 19th, 2012
11:25 am
MFin04 Sure it is. The guy has to want to play for the Braves and I don’t see the two syncing up if he wants to stay in LA.
victorino’s contract is up after this season, so it matters if LA wants to keep HIM, as much as it matter if he wants to stay there. its not up to him to say hes a “lock” to stay in LA.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:26 am
You do this all the time. You post slash lines of a player like Bourn and argue he isn’t worth a lot of money based entirely on that slash line. And I’m fine with that. No one holds it against you because deep down, everyone knows Bourn isn’t worth $18M a year for 7 years.
In the future, I’ll absolutely explain myself by posting slash lines and prefacing that while he’s below average as a hitter, his baserunning and defense are why I’d offer four years, 48-52 million.
I mean, it’s really meant for ya know, those folks that compare Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman merely by posting the slash lines…..
Hah!
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:26 am
Willingham is the RH masher we need in the cleanup spot to break up Heyward and Freeman. Span would be great for replacing Bourn.
A lineup like this looks damn good.
CF Span
3B Prado
RF Heyward
LF Willingham
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:27 am
Problem with trading for Willingham is that he’s publicly stated that he wants to stay in Minnesota.
I’m not a big fan of trading for people who won’t be happy on their new team.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:28 am
I do think it would be tough to swing a deal for both Span and Willingham tho.
Yeah, if they want to deal them both, then they will probably want to trade em in seperate deals.
I just think Span’s contract is reasonable, and he’s a good defender in CF + being able to take a walk.
Willingham would be awesome, though. He is a perfect fit.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:28 am
I’m not a big fan of trading for people who won’t be happy on their new team.
Winning, and being on a contender, tends to breed happiness in ballplayers.
David O'Brien
September 19th, 2012
11:29 am
Uggla’s past 11 games: 13-for-38 (.342) with three doubles, two homers, eight RBIs and a .457 OBP.
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
11:30 am
I almost feel like if we could get a Span type to leadoff, we could move Simmons to the 2 hole and Prado to the middle of the order either 3,5, or 6, and then all we would need is a LF that could bat 8th….
JMO but I think placing Simmons where he is comfortable at 2 would be the best scenario, especially when you consider that Prado can really hit anywhere and would be a good placement to break up our LHH…
Another question, does Hunter Pence have enough ML time to become a FA post this year?
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:30 am
Winning, and being on a contender, tends to breed happiness in ballplayers.
Being away from family, from home, from a place they love tends to do the opposite, though.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
I mean, it’s really meant for ya know, those folks that compare Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman merely by posting the slash lines…..
Ha!
And from here on out I’ll also include an explanation that when I post Heyward and Freeman slash lines, I’m comparing hitting ability. It would seem intuitive, but for some intuition seems to go out the window when a favorite player isn’t meeting reasonable expectations. ( :
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
Efrim
Who are some other alternatives for LF threw trade?
raleighbravefan
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
DOB – And it’s about time, too.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
Hanson, Delgado, Spruill, and Ahmed for Willingham, Span and a RH reliever.
Sign Dan Haren to a one year deal.
Wren could be done minutes into Novemeber, provided the Angels decline the option.
David O'Brien
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
Bourn’s past 27 games: .165 (16-for-97) with 1 double, 7 runs, 6 SBs, 28 K, .293 OBP and .175 slugging (.468 OPS)
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:31 am
Willingham would be awesome, though. He is a perfect fit.
I doubt he gets traded.
Frankie
September 19th, 2012
11:32 am
Let’s hope that Uggla continues with this stretch. I would have bet the mortage he strikes out in the 9th inning last night. Two weeks ago he doesn’t hit a curveball outside corner of the plate with a rowing paddle. Not sure what he hit last night, but that was as good as a AB as he’s had.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:33 am
Wren could be done minutes into Novemeber, provided the Angels decline the option.
Wren will be done minutes into November regardless…
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:33 am
18 mil!!!
Alex Gordon of KC is another good guy for left field, though some people believe that Francoeur is more likely to leave KC than Alex.
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:33 am
Willingham knows full well what the prospects of winning in MN are, and he’s said that he wants to stay.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:34 am
Being away from family, from home, from a place they love tends to do the opposite, though.
You bet. Still, for a very large fraction of players, “home” does not have an address in the team’s zipcode, so that’s something they go through as a matter of course. Wouldn’t you think that most of them are used to that, or at least reconciled to it?
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:34 am
Why wouldn’t LA want to keep him? Guy is a cheap, productive outfielder, who is a proven winner.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:35 am
Uggla’s past 11 games: 13-for-38 (.342) with three doubles, two homers, eight RBIs and a .457 OBP.
Nice. Glad Fredi is playing him instead of sticking with his “bench” statement. This late in the season, the team would gain nothing from a benching and stood to miss out on those 11 games of production…
The team is 7-4 in those 11 games.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:35 am
It would seem intuitive, but for some intuition seems to go out the window when a favorite player isn’t meeting reasonable expectations
I rarely see you write about baserunning or defense, and I don’t think it’s always “well, of course he’;s better at that stuff….”. Heyward is meeting my expectations as of this moment. .880 was never on my radar. And I always thought you compared the two based on their back and forth “competition” of sorts in the minors. That’s all fine and dandy.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:35 am
The Twins are terrible and would be better off trading Willingham and Span for young players. By the time the Twins compete those 2 likely won’t be there anyways.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:37 am
Bourn’s past 27 games: .165 (16-for-97) with 1 double, 7 runs, 6 SBs, 28 K, .293 OBP and .175 slugging (.468 OPS)
DOB, would you still pay him up to $18 million a year on a multi year deal and do you believe he is very important to the Braves franchise moving forward?
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:37 am
So all this talk about new guys got me thinking…
Are we still gonna be blogging during the World Series of how to fix this team if we are IN the World Series?
How about if we get past the play-in game?
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:38 am
Magic Numbers for each race:
NL East:
Washington – 10
Atlanta – 21
NL Central:
Cincinnati – 4
St. Louis – 26
Milwaukee – 29
NL West:
San Francisco – 7
Los Angeles – 24
Arizona – 27
San Diego – 29
NL Wild card (relative to 2nd wild card spot):
Atlanta – 7
St. Louis – 14
Los Angeles – 17
Milwaukee – 18
Pittsburgh – 19
Arizona – 20
San Diego – 22
AL East:
New York – 16
Baltimore – 17
Tampa Bay – 22
Toronto – 34
AL Central:
Chicago – 13
Detroit – 19
Kansas City – 31
AL West:
Texas – 13
Oakland – 19
Los Angeles – 22
AL Wild Card (relative to 2nd wild card spot)
Oakland – 12
Baltimore – 13
Los Angeles – 18
Detroit – 21
Seattle – 29
Toronto – 33
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:38 am
Willingham may not get traded, but I think they should. I understand that the object of the sport is winning, but that major league roster is far away imo, based on the lack of pitching throughout the entire organization. It’s really bad in the minors and even worse in the majors.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:39 am
Our defense in 2013 still looks to be great. Prado is a upgrade over the Chipper/Francisco combo at 3rd and having Simmons for a full season will make a ton of difference. We won’t be able to match what Bourn brings in CF but we should be able to bring in a really good defender still.
George_George
September 19th, 2012
11:39 am
Last nights game was sad because we could have picked up ground on NATS because of rainout. The loss was on BOURN and FREDI. BOURN because he did not know where fence was and jumped at wrong time GOOD GRIEF he looked awful on that play. FREDI because he does not know how to use a bullpen. KIMBREL was warmed up in I think the 8th inn and not used at all in the game, he should have been used in the 10th. FREDI in a close game and a close race you MUST USE YOUR BEST PLAYERS. I am starting to believe Shaun is right in certain situations you should use your best RP wherever in the game you really need a out or more even if it is early like in 6th inn or so.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:40 am
Are we still gonna be blogging during the World Series of how to fix this team if we are IN the World Series?
Do you mean before or after the incessant whining over every pitch and plate appearance, LOL? My gosh, it’s brutal enough during a regular season game in June, what’s it gonna be like during a playoff series? Mercy.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:40 am
Magic Numbers for each race:
NL East:
Washington – 10
Atlanta – 21
Good lord.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:40 am
I rarely see you write about baserunning or defense
Why would I compare a first baseman’s base running abilities or defense to an outfielders? I’m also not comparing McCann’s base running to other players. It would seem the conclusions of those comparisons are …intuitive. Why constantly compare apples and oranges?
And I always thought you compared the two based on their back and forth “competition” of sorts in the minors.
That competition in the minors was based on slash lines… But from what I understand, at the end of every day when they had that talk, Heyward would always point out he’s a faster base runner than Freeman and then walk away. It was good times. Freeman would be left standing there muttering… “but we were talking about on base percentage…”
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:41 am
I’m sure the Twins would have alot of interest in Delgado and Graham. Even Hanson makes sense for them with 3 years of control left. Tommy could very well need a change of scenery cause he looks like the odd man out when looking at all of our options going forward.
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:42 am
Are we still gonna be blogging during the World Series of how to fix this team if we are IN the World Series?
Absolutely. What else would we talk about? Sopapillas?
Still, for a very large fraction of players, “home” does not have an address in the team’s zipcode, so that’s something they go through as a matter of course.
Sure, but I have to believe that if a player comes out publicly stating that he wants to stay with a team, he’s doing so for a reason. Whether it’s to communicate something to his current team or to communicate something to prospective trade partners, he’s let it be known that he wants to stay in MN.
I’m not a team GM, have never negotiated a trade, but if I were it would at least enter into my mind that a player who doesn’t want to play for my team might not be the best trade target.
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
11:42 am
Fin-
Yes, as there are always ways to improve a team, whether its get rid of deadweight or increase production….
Like I have said with the offense, my first goal in mind would be the add more contact types….and that starts w/ letting Bourn walk
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:42 am
“what’s it gonna be like during a playoff series? Mercy.”
I think I’m gonna go with a tonic of Mt Dew/Red Bull/Prozac to keep myself level.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:43 am
Magic Numbers for each race:
NL East:
Washington – 10
Atlanta – 21
Wait, are the Braves playing black jack? They have only 13 games left…
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:44 am
Anyone see McCann’s slump and Bourn’s slump as a giant blessing? Heck it might just bring down their prices to Brave-affordability.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:44 am
Tommy might do well in MN…. that cold air will keep him from giving up yet another HR… as for the stolen bases, well, he’s screwed. His trends are bad, but he might “get it together” playing up there.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:46 am
Sure, but I have to believe that if a player comes out publicly stating that he wants to stay with a team, he’s doing so for a reason.
He’s very unlikely to say, “Are you kidding? We’re getting our brains beat in and probably still will be on the last day of my contract. Get me the bleep outta here and away from these losers.”
DAP
September 19th, 2012
11:47 am
MFin04 Why wouldn’t LA want to keep him? Guy is a cheap, productive outfielder, who is a proven winner.
maybe they see the grass a greener somewhere else? they are playing him in LF. do they need a LFer like that? i wouldnt count on the dodgers wanting victorino back.
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:47 am
For the division leaders, here are their magic numbers for clinching a playoff spot, since that isn’t shown above:
Washington – 3
Cincinnati – 3
San Francisco – 7
New York – 16
Chicago – 13
Texas – 12
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:47 am
The loss last night clinched the Braves playoff hopes. Can lose games like that an expect to catch the Nationals, pretty much had to play perfect baseball from here on out and didn’t do it.
Our hopes lie in a 1-game playoff. Woohoo. Who set this crap up and who do I email to complain?
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:48 am
Willingham knows full well what the prospects of winning in MN are, and he’s said that he wants to stay
That’s smart of him. Only a douche would publicly call for a trade. That’s just not a sign of a good teammate.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:48 am
Why would I compare a first baseman’s base running abilities or defense to an outfielders?
I guess I recall a different conversation that we’ve had in the past. One that was based around, who would you take moving forward: Heyward or Freeman? And you said you’d wait until the end of the season to make that sort of call.
Personally, it’s not even something I have to think about. Not close, actually. Why do we have to have this conversation? We don’t. Just really be happy about having both of these great 23 year players on the Atlanta Braves. But I enjoy talking about value. Just something like I talking about.
And McCann doesn’t have to be a better baserunner because he hits so well. He is(or at least was) an incredibly valuable asset.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:48 am
Regardless of how the team is doing, I enjoy talking about the future and the offseason. No matter how far we make it in the playoffs we still will have the same scenarios in the offseason.
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:48 am
Wait, are the Braves playing black jack? They have only 13 games left…
Right…with a magic number of 21, they would need a total of 21 Braves wins or Washington losses. So if they won all 13 games, they would need Washington to lose at least 8.
ncscoots
September 19th, 2012
11:49 am
Why wouldn’t LA want to keep him?
Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier. Where’s Victorino going to play?
Murph
September 19th, 2012
11:51 am
He’s very unlikely to say, “Are you kidding? We’re getting our brains beat in and probably still will be on the last day of my contract. Get me the bleep outta here and away from these losers.”
How many times have you seen players of Willingham’s caliber publicly state that they want to play for a winner, that they want a shot at the postseason, or even flat out ask to be traded? Lots of times.
If Willingham were unhappy in MN and wanted to be traded, all it would have taken was a couple of sessions with reporters to start the wheels in motion. Maybe MN wouldn’t have been able to get a deal done, but looking at his stats, I’d think more than a few teams would have been on the phone to the Twins minutes after hearing the news that Willingham was unhappy and wanted to play elsewhere.
Frankie
September 19th, 2012
11:52 am
“Anyone see McCann’s slump and Bourn’s slump as a giant blessing? Heck it might just bring down their prices to Brave-affordability.”
Kidding right? I don’t a blessing whatsover with two guys who are responsible for this team not winning a division title and not being productive possibly to advance in the playoffs.
Efrim
September 19th, 2012
11:52 am
Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier. Where’s Victorino going to play?
You mean they aren’t going ot spend $300 million on the 2013 payroll and have Victorino on the bench as a 4th outfielder????
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:53 am
NL Wild card (relative to 2nd wild card spot):
Atlanta – 7
St. Louis – 14
Los Angeles – 17
Milwaukee – 18
Pittsburgh – 19
Arizona – 20
San Diego – 22
Just noticed I left Philadelphia out. Their magic number for a wild card spot is 19.
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
11:55 am
I just don’t see Victorino bringing much, he looks slow to mae and probably doesn’t bring the same defense as he would have just 2 years ago.
As far as Hanson to the Rangers for Gentry.. I don’t think I would do that. I’d look for something along these lines.. like Bullock for Gentry.
Texas, even if Hamilton walks, has options outside of Gentry in center, they gave big money to get the cuban Martin.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
11:56 am
Willingham signed with the Twins cause they likely offered the most money. He knew signing there the chances of winning are very slim. You could probably say the same thing about Michael Cuddyer.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 19th, 2012
11:56 am
MFin Anyone see McCann’s slump and Bourn’s slump as a giant blessing?
No.
Efrim He is(or at least was) an incredibly valuable asset.
WAS??? IS!! IS!!…
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:56 am
Let’s redo the NL Wild Card, since I left actually a couple more teams out who haven’t been eliminated:
NL Wild Card (relative to 2nd wild card spot)
Atlanta – 7
St. Louis – 14
Los Angeles – 17
Milwaukee – 18
Pittsburgh – 19
Philadelphia – 19
Arizona – 20
San Diego – 22
New York – 27
Miami – 27
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:56 am
One that was based around, who would you take moving forward: Heyward or Freeman? And you said you’d wait until the end of the season to make that sort of call.
Yeah… not even close for you right? That’s why at the beginning of the season you wanted to see a full season of Heyward as well? In thirteen games I will have your answer for you… sneak peak, I am Happy to have Heyward back to form. spoiler alert, I refuse to make a choice between the two since it is unnecessary. Who am I a bigger fan of? It’s all irrelevant preference. When Maddux and Smoltz were in the rotation. I was a bigger fan of Smoltz. I liked him. My brother was a big fan of Glavine. We both loved Maddux, but were bigger fans of guys not named Maddux. I would go to games and see some people rooted for DeRosa more than Chipper.
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
11:57 am
And as far as Willingham coming to Atlanta, as nice as it might be, I think that’s a pretty long shot.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
11:58 am
“Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier. Where’s Victorino going to play?”
Games played this year:
Kemp 91
Ethier 135
Crawford 31
Where is Victorino gonna play? Umm it appears in LF, CF, and in RF.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:58 am
Right…with a magic number of 21…
Gotcha. ( :
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
11:58 am
The only teams, I think who have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs are the Astros, Cubs, Rockies, Indians, Twins, and Red Sox.
TennesseePaul
September 19th, 2012
11:59 am
Right…with a magic number of 21…
… should clarify… thanks. Now I understand. ( :
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:00 pm
As far as Hanson to the Rangers for Gentry.. I don’t think I would do that.
Yeah, it’s not really fair to Tommy. He needs to go to an NL team if he wants to help “turn-around” his career. Send him to the AL, he’ll get chewed up like Vasquez was.
tony austin
September 19th, 2012
12:00 pm
This may have been discussed already but I wasn’t around last night. I see, once again, a pitcher way under .500 shuts this team down. The dude is 4-12, in his last nine starts not counting last night his innings pitched are 5.1, 2.0, 5.0, 5.0. 6.2, 3.0, 7.0, 5.0, and 4.0. So what does he do against this offense? Shuts them down for 8 innings. And stuff like this happens time and time again.
If the Braves do make the one game WC, if I’m the opposing manager I’m throwing my worst starter against them, esp if he’s LH.
Okay, enough venting. It’s nice to see the offense finally have some life in the 9th last night, they might not have pulled it off but at least they didn’t go down with a whimper. It’s just too bad they couldn’t get anything done for the first 8.
Oh well, can’t and won’t win them all, just as long as they win more than the chasers.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:00 pm
I believe that if Uggla and McCann produced career norm numbers this season that we would be in 1st place in the East. When you really go and look at how bad they are compared to the norm its staggering.
Brian from SC
September 19th, 2012
12:00 pm
The Blue Jays and Royals are one loss away from elimination, or one win by the Orioles/Yankees and White Sox, respectively.
The Marlins are two losses or St. Louis wins away from elimination. Several teams will be dropping out over the next day or two.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
12:01 pm
McFann – So you’d rather McCann have a career year and leave?
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
12:03 pm
Yeah, it’s not really fair to Tommy.
I can feel the love from here.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:05 pm
Victorino could be a option for CF or LF. Who knows maybe his price is much lower than we all think. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him get around what Angel Pagan will get. Victorino is a bit older and coming off a bad season so I don’t see anything longer than a 2 year deal for em.
George_George
September 19th, 2012
12:06 pm
Repost
**********George_George
September 19th, 2012
11:39 am
Last nights game was sad because we could have picked up ground on NATS because of rainout. The loss was on BOURN and FREDI. BOURN because he did not know where fence was and jumped at wrong time GOOD GRIEF he looked awful on that play. FREDI because he does not know how to use a bullpen. KIMBREL was warmed up in I think the 8th inn and not used at all in the game, he should have been used in the 10th. FREDI in a close game and a close race you MUST USE YOUR BEST PLAYERS. I am starting to believe Shaun is right in certain situations you should use your best RP wherever in the game you really need a out or more even if it is early like in 6th inn or so.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
12:07 pm
Heyward playing in the dirt on the warning track for Jose Reyes didn’t lose the game?
Murph
September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm
So you’d rather McCann have a career year and leave?
Yes. I’d love to see him put up amazing numbers next season and help the Braves to back-to-back WS championships, then leave to pursue the life of a DH with occassional backup catcher duties… the Braves can’t afford to pay a guy $15mil+ a season to have him broken down and hitting .220 for most of the season.
It would be the best thing for the Braves and for BMac’s career.
If you really love something, then set it free. Set it free.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:08 pm
To Tommy Hanson
You are my sunshine
My only sunshine
You make me happy
when skies are gray…
You’ll never know dear
How much I love you
But please
get traded
away.
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
No, Tommy needs to go to an AL team so that no one EVER has to watch him try to stand in a batters box w/ a bat that he doesnt know how to use again!
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
12:10 pm
I believe that if Uggla and McCann produced career norm numbers this season that we would be in 1st place
Yeah, I have no doubt about this one.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
12:10 pm
“I just don’t see why we’d get a decent prospect/MLB player for him.”
Because he “wins” games at a ~70% clip.
Frankie
September 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
“Bourn’s past 27 games: .165 (16-for-97) with 1 double, 7 runs, 6 SBs, 28 K, .293 OBP and .175 slugging (.468 OPS)”
Wow you really have to look at these numbers and start thinking of options. How long do you roll the dice and take chances he turns it around? Really have to think about Reed Johnson getting some PT. Give up some D for sure, but have to think about platooning him right now. Bourn keeps this up, you don’t have a prayer getting through the playoffs. Benched Uggla, this guy might need to start sitting a little more.
VaBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
Victorino isn’t anywhere near the top of my list of players I’d want tho. Victorino could be on the major decline, he’s been even worse for the Dodgers.
And speaking about the Dodgers it has to be very pathetic to miss the playoffs after all the midseason moves….
You mean to tell me that adding Adrian Gonzalez, Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, Nick Punto, Josh Beckett, Joe Blanton, and Brandon League isn’t enough to get them in the playoffs… Just wow.
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
P-T, welcome back. Long time no read.
MFin04
September 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
“No, Tommy needs to go to an AL team so that no one EVER has to watch him try to stand in a batters box w/ a bat that he doesnt know how to use again!”
Touche. Perhaps the AL won’t steal on him as much as the NL. Win-Win!
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
Victorino only K’s 1 in ever 7.4 AB…..
If we got Span and he wanted to take less money to hit 2nd or 8th, I’d be ok with him playing LF….
But he’s not as good as Span anymore and I agree that it feels like he still covers a great amount of ground BUT he’s lost a step….
That said, ppl talk about a Prado/Bourn/Heyward OF being great and covering a lot of ground….could you imagine how much area an OF of Victorino/Span/Heyward could cover…..WOW!
Arkansas Transplant
September 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
I’d just assume stay away from Victorino, I don’t want the Phillies to be able to say we want their cast offs.
Venice Jim
September 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz
RT @_andrewcarter Source close to #UNC confirmed that Roy Williams is in surgery to have a tumor removed from his kidney. Stay tuned
P-Town Brave ©
September 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
AT-
Thx…gotta get ready for my tour through the ATL next week
And I thought I’d check in while I have an hour or so to kill on the job.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 19th, 2012
12:15 pm
Despite Bourn’s 2nd half struggles, we’ve still won at a pretty good clip. Currently have a better winning% than we did in the 1st half. Maybe Bourjos wouldn’t be so bad, especially if we can get a slugging LF.
DAP
September 19th, 2012
12:18 pm
murph How many times have you seen players of Willingham’s caliber publicly state that they want to play for a winner, that they want a shot at the postseason, or even flat out ask to be traded? Lots of times.
3 examples please. a player in WIllingham’s situation, with willingham’s abilities.