2:59 pm September 16, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
September 17th, 201212:38 pm
“You guys see a bad year from anybody and simply figure he’s cooked”
“Nah, I just can’t stand to watch him pitch. Takes soo long to throw each pitch. It’s like pulling teeth. And it always ends up the same. 100 pitches 5 2/3 a homer or two and some stolen bases. We need better. We deserve better.”
Perfectly put, I usually just opt to Turn it off…It makes B-Macc or Rossy look bad as well
September 17th, 201212:40 pm
“The Braves are 19-9 in Hanson’s starts this year.”
Thats because he usually gets good run support, can’t say the same think about Mike Minor who excluding last night has got crap run support the entire 2nd half and has had to pitch his #### off…
September 17th, 201212:41 pm
What’s JJ’s record this season?
And Hanson is clearly 19-9 this year? Nope, because he can’t make it through 5 innings to get a darn win.
So, what you’re saying is, it’s the style points that matter, not the game outcome?
I knew Medlen was going to be the best pitcher in baseball but I like to keep secrets.
September 17th, 201212:42 pm
Can’t get through 5 innings? Actually he’s gotten through five IP in 23 of his 28 starts. And despite him not pitching enough innings to make you happy (not that anthing actually could) the Braves continue to win 2 of every three Hanson starts.
TOBF – Gotcha. By the way, I am now willing to meet you half way on the Greinke thing…I will admit that at least some of my doubts have been (at least) mitigated. I still can’t justify the cost. I think you are wrong on the $$$$, and pretty sure you are wrong on the # of years. We might could stretch and sign him…I just don’t like what that would do to the rest of the budget. I believe the later years of that contract could be worse than Hampton or Lowe.
September 17th, 201212:45 pm
Hanson’s last 10 starts:
Drives me crazy that he can’t go deep in games especially If he is supposed to be a #1 or #2 for this team.
Braves winning percentage in Hanson starts is .678. He’s currently no better than a Fifth starter? A .678 winning,percentage from your number five starter works for me – and any other sane and knowledgable baseball fan.
September 17th, 201212:46 pm
scoots @12:41 –
Lew @12:42 – Pretty good for a #5 guy in your rotation.
Good Yes, No Bad
September 17th, 201212:47 pm
“I think a lot of times people may become content with one championship or a little bit of success, but we don’t really reflect on what we’ve done in the past. We focus on the present.” Derek Jeter
But of course some people think that focus plays no part in winning and losing. Jeter seems to believe that if you were to focus on past accomplishments and not on the immediate task at hand, you might not be successful.
But what does Jeter know? There are people who post here that know more than he does! lol You can’t lose to an inferior team because you aren’t properly prepared or lose focus.
September 17th, 201212:48 pm
MFin – Hanson hasn’t been anywhere near a #1 or #2 since his first shoulder problems. However, as I just said to Lew, a pretty damn good #5.
September 17th, 201212:49 pm
hanson needs to be someone else’s number 5
MFin: Hanson isn’t supposed to be a #1/2… not after the injury. He’s a number 5/6.
See, I’m not that cruel on Tommy!
Braves have a 100% winning percentage in games that Jurrjens has closed this year.
September 17th, 201212:50 pm
Drives me crazy that he can’t go deep in games especially If he is supposed to be a #1 or #2 for this team.—MFIN04
The Dude is a Number 3 in this rotation…Declining velocity as well…No way should he be considered a #1 or a #2 unless he’s pitching for teams like the Cubs or Astros…
And Furthermore, he has been on the decline since switching agents…I have No love for Boras;_hole
And I guess that’s the origin of a lot of the venom. Hanson has definitely not pitched like a front-line starter since hurting the shoulder last year, and people still have the expectation that he should. In some eyes, he hasn’t been an ace, therefore, he’s a bumb. Nothing in between.
September 17th, 201212:51 pm
Why should you care if Hanson is a number one or number two pitcher when we have Medlen, Hudson and MInor? We have five good starting pitchers and a lock down bullpen. What exactly is the problem? Seems to me it’s just your perception that’s somewhat lacking and not the pitching staff.
September 17th, 201212:52 pm
Hanson hasn’t been good. The Braves have been good. His winning percentage has very little to do with his pitching performance in those games.
But I don’t think Kimbrel should close anymore. Braves have better winning percentage with Jurrjens pitching the 9th. 100% baby!
The Inability for Big Red makes him a #4-5 In this rotation, I gave him too much credit…Playoff teams are gonna run at will on him if we get past that stupid 1 game playoff for The Wildcard
But what does Jeter know? There are people who post here that know more than he does!
It’s like outrunning the bear: I don’t have to know more than Jeter does; I just have to know more than you.
September 17th, 201212:53 pm
Greinke has his teams going 19-12 in his starts… and we all know that the Angels blew the game in his last start, and the Brewers blew one before he got traded… I’m sure there were more that got blown for him too. That Brewers ‘pen stunk early. He probably had his team in position to go 23-9 in his starts. That’s a .719 winning %
I meant to say that
The Inability for Big Red to hold runners on and keep them honest, makes him a #4-5 In this rotation
September 17th, 201212:56 pm
T’Hawkin – Hanson has had his problems, but you can’t blame Boras, no matter how much you hate him. By the way, in addition to getting top $$$ for his guys, Boras is also as good as anyone in the business at putting his guys in a position to succeed. Not much he could do about Tommy’s shoulder problems, or his delivery, even.
Jair Jurrjens: 100% winning percentage when closing! See ya Kimbrel!
September 17th, 201212:57 pm
Yeah ncscoots and you don’t.
And if you go out on a limb and voice your opinion on every post that goes by the board, you’re gonna be wrong sometimes. Focus ncscoots, Focus! It will help you.
I’ll take Jeter as my authority on all things baseball rather than YOU as the authority of all things baseball. I’ll take you as the authority on how to opine about anything on this blog and only be right about half the time. You do that well.
September 17th, 201212:58 pm
Calm down there Ef. You know full well that a “great year” is a misstatement. All that is needed is a great start.
A year? Folks had Sheets penciled in for 2013 after three starts.
Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 17th, 201212:59 pm
HANSON is a looser man. Ship him to GWINNETT.
Hanson has had his problems, but you can’t blame Boras, no matter how much you hate him. By the way, in addition to getting top $$$ for his guys, Boras is also as good as anyone in the business at putting his guys in a position to succeed.—-RalieghBravesFan
No More Boras Clients…See Ya Bourne…
Checkmate for Big Red This offseason….
September 17th, 20121:00 pm
Sad. With no wild card race or division race, Bud Selig has torn the Braves blog apart.
September 17th, 20121:01 pm
T’Hawkin – I don’t believe Tommy will make any post-season starts, no matter how far the Braves go.
The real problem with Tommy is unrealistic expectations, vs actual performance. He’s not the ace power pitcher everyone expected…but most teams would be glad to have him on their staff. It’s a tribute to our other guys, that he is currently at the bottom ouf our staff.
September 17th, 20121:04 pm
Who is Bourne?
I’ll take you as the authority on how to opine about anything on this blog and only be right about half the time.
Man, I’d be happy with half. Anybody that tells you that they’re right about anything in baseball all the time is being disingenuous.
Besides, this is a game in which you can have all the information necessary, and all the knowledge necessary to made a decision based on that information, and still be wrong.
Just ask Jeter.
September 17th, 2012
Of course, we could BE swept, or drop one or two and nothing much changes from the current one game elimination thrill upcoming on the 5th.
You were missed over the weekend, phil.
Sure….lol!! But thx…
The impending end for Chipper is killing me…
Since July 4, Braves are 42-24 with a 2.98 ERA, and Washington is 42-25 with a 3.37 ERA.
That 101pm post was on point abt the unrealistic expectations…
I had Big Red compared to a 1998-1999 Millwood when he was dominating the Arizona Fall League Several years ago…
September 17th, 20121:05 pm
Sure seems like the Nats have played much better….interesting.
How do the bats compare?
“Who is Bourne?”
Good question. It isn’t Matt Damon anymore after that pathetic remake.
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Just a damn shame that the starters got off to such a poor start in April and May. No Hudson, Jurrjens, Minor, Hanson, Delgado all with serious struggles.
That’ll cost us the division and make us participate in the coin flip game.
September 17th, 20121:07 pm
Co-sign!!! Send him to the Astros. Who’s good on their team…… Maxwell? J.D. Martinez? (he’s struggled this year though)\
Or better yet, send him to the Royals… trade injured for injured. Let’s get Lorenzo Cain
September 17th, 20121:08 pm
Dodgers are not going to be an easy rebound for the Nats. If they have even a hint of nerves I could see them losing this series while we whoop on Miami.
By next weekend this might be very interesting!
Yeah DOB….MLB Third Best Record…..Wash,Cinci,Braves
T’Hawkin – Yeah, shydt happens. Bad delivery and shoulder problems have turned Hanson from a top prospect/ace into a pretty good #3-5 guy, depending on what adjustments he is able to make. Sad but true…a baseball fact of life.
September 17th, 20121:10 pm
Geeze, that’s a little depressing. We play .636 baseball and gain a half game.
Imagine This team with Uggly Uggla hitting 300 Plus 30 homer this year…..
September 17th, 20121:11 pm
Just a damn shame that the starters got off to such a poor start in April and May.
If we had Zack G., he’d have been our best starter thru May, save Beachy of course.
September 17th, 20121:12 pm
I don’t think the Brewers had given up in April
September 17th, 20121:13 pm
I post yesterday that we don’t need 22 Mil Pitcher….we need to sign Upton and Pagan
and we’re set for 2013…we have enough pitching to go bye and win the Div next year.
I won’t give a crap what Uggla’s average was this year if he helps us win in the post-season…
September 17th, 20121:14 pm
Interesting… Hanson’s line drive percentage is the same as Medlen’s – 17%.
jeffrey d “I don’t think the Brewers had given up in April”
Best comment ever….lol
September 17th, 20121:15 pm
TOBF – No way to know how Greinke would have done as a Brave during that period of time…just no way.
September 17th, 20121:16 pm
line drive percentage…
September 17th, 20121:17 pm
Grienke would’ve outdone Medlen in that we would have won all 30 of his starts to date….
September 17th, 20121:18 pm
Good day all
Good win last night, good sweep. If we had done better in MIL we would have been right back in the race. But no, this BRAVES team is the streakest I have seen in years. We sure run hot and cold. of course the first two WAS games as far as hitting go, the wins were just luck, hit batter and ground ball to SS.
September 17th, 20121:19 pm
nats hold on and finish ahead of reds and braves win wc game, it’s nats vs braves in nlds, yes?
if so, this last series sends a message finally. like tom petty sings,
won’t back down.
September 17th, 20121:21 pm
holy guacamole, enough of the improvements and what to expect in 2013. that’s a million miles away for fredi’s sake, carpe diem. keep in the present people.
“Since July 4, Braves are 42-24 with a 2.98 ERA, and Washington is 42-25 with a 3.37 ERA.”—DOB
“Every ROOSSSEEE, Has It’s Thorn”
September 17th, 20121:22 pm
the wins were just luck, hit batter and ground ball to SS.
BS………….. Teams make their on luck, through grittiness, heart, focus and a will to win. The Braves wanted it more.
Harper said he will be sad to see Jones go.
“It’s sad, but good for him,” Harper said. “He’s done such a great job.
“He’s having one of the best years for a third baseman in the league, so I have no idea why he would leave. He’s had a great career, and it was a pleasure to watch him play growing up.”
Well Kid, maybe in 21 years when you are 40 and playing baseball you’ll understand why he is leaving, lol.
“I won’t give a crap what Uggla’s average was this year if he helps us win in the post-season…”
Co-Sign! Its “Win Or Go Play Golf” From here on out, We Need Struggla to pull off a 1999 Version of Chipper
September 17th, 20121:23 pm
Every ROOSSSEEE, Has It’s Thorn
perfect song on a Cloudy/Rainy day
RBF: You’re technically correct, I’m just taking his stats as a Brewer and comparing them to our pitchers. His numbers are even more “impressive” when you consider that the Brewers had one of the worst defenses in baseball while he was there.
September 17th, 20121:27 pm
Ya have to wonder what the Kershaw injury will do to the Dodgers offseason plans. Hip surgery would most likely sideline him until mid-late May. Billingsley may require Tommy John surgery. That’d leave em with Capuano, Harang and Beckett as the only healthy starters under contract for 2013. They already have $196 million committed to the payroll.
Oh god I have poison in my head and it’s stuck. I hate this….at least it’s not Unskinny Bop!
Folks, Tip Caps win or lose. Remember that they got swept by BEER PEOPLE. Is that a championship team to you? — DOB lofts the softballs
If you paid attention to baseball instead of coming up with painfully unfunny comment after comment after comment, you might realize Milwaukee has won 20 of its past 26 games. They’ve hit 40 homers in that span and posted a 3.37 ERA.
September 17th, 20121:28 pm
Oh yeah, and on the hook for Ted Lilly’s 13.167 million in 2013.
September 17th, 20121:29 pm
The hit batter and grounder to short are worthless w/o the men on base that scored….
Not luck. Someone executed. Someone did not.
September 17th, 20121:32 pm
Remember that they got swept by BEER PEOPLE. Is that a championship team to you?
And the Nationals – with the most wins in baseball – just got swept by the Braves. Funny thing, baseball is.
Oh yeah, and on the hook for Ted Lilly’s 13.167 million in 2013.
If you give someone such as Ted Lilly eight figures, you deserve to get bitten in the ***, don’t you?
Medlen is now 6th among NL pitchers in baseball-reference’s WAR with 3.8, just behind Hamels’ 3.9. Yep, he’s been awesome.
September 17th, 20121:34 pm
Remember that they got swept by BEER PEOPLE.
Braves should have countered with the fatboy lineup.
September 17th, 20121:37 pm
Jest read post-game qoutes. CHIPPER knows SO MUCH MORE about baseball than FREDI does. CHIPPER far more intelligent.
September 17th, 20121:40 pm
Medlen is too short and too fat to ever be very good….results show it as he only has 2 complete games.
September 17th, 20121:42 pm
Outta here for a bit. hope to be back before game, if not, KEEP IT GOING BRAVES.
September 17th, 20121:43 pm
phil, Nats have actually outscored the Braves in the second half, which surprised me. I knew the Nats had been hitting homers by the bucketful, but even so…
September 17th, 20121:47 pm
“Medlen is now 6th among NL pitchers in baseball-reference’s WAR with 3.8, just behind Hamels’ 3.9. Yep, he’s been awesome.”
Probably because of his bat and fielding abilities.
September 17th, 20121:48 pm
the wins were just luck, hit batter and ground ball to SS.
BS………….. Teams make their on luck, through grittiness, heart, focus and a will to win. The Braves wanted it more.
i give credit to the ground crew for all the extra water on basepaths
September 17th, 20121:50 pm
We go through so many offensive ups and downs that I can easily believe the Nats have outscored us. My perception is that our weekly scoring line is something like 1,3,8,0,2,1,3.
We score a bunch one day, not so much the other days of the week.
Anyway, bottom line is winning more than “they” do. Third best record in baseball is still not enough to win our division, leaving us in the crapshoot to come on the 5th. Who knows what facets of the game will show up that day. Looks now like we’re in for sure barring something never before seen.
uh oh.. OBP > RBI ?
September 17th, 20121:51 pm
How dare you bring stats and reasonable analysis into this forum DOB. Braves clearly were asleep at the wheel in Milwaukee. Only explanation for the sweep.
Teams don’t evolve over the course of a season – not possible. Everything baseball related is etched in stone tablets at the beginning of the season. Woe to those who stray from ye old baseball tablets.
September 17th, 20121:54 pm
I think the bill of Kris Medlen’s cap deserves its own Facebook page.
September 17th, 20121:55 pm
Meanwhile Hanson and his -0.3 WAR has him surrounded by guys such as Jeremy Hefner, Mike Dunn, Joba Chamberlain, Daniel Bard, and Will Ohman… *sigh*
September 17th, 20121:56 pm
Nats have actually outscored the Braves in the second half, which surprised me
To be honest scoots, based on your initial frame of reference, the Nats overall, season long dominance would have to be labeled “surprising.”
I think they need a Kris Medlen Cap Tipping App. Sure would save opponents time.
September 17th, 20121:59 pm
To be honest scoots, based on your initial frame of reference, the Nats overall, season long dominance would have to be labeled “surprising. – TennesseePaul
Agreed. I don’t even think the Nats saw this coming.
September 17th, 20122:03 pm
Lets Kill The SmallTalk:
Braves Have the #1 WC Spot in The Bag!
Pick the Score of that Stupid WC elimination game as well as the opponent
With Meds Starting Braves 4, Cardinals 1
With Huddy Starting Braves 1, Cardinals 5
Bank on It!
September 17th, 20122:04 pm
We go through so many offensive ups and downs that I can easily believe the Nats have outscored us.
This is the only month that the team has averaged fewer than 4 runs a game, phil. And I’ve put out a number of posts on the percentage of games in which they scored four or more, over the course of the season. I’m afraid your weekly scoring line perception doesn’t hold water, except maybe the last ten games or so.
Which is exactly why you have the perception, probably.
September 17th, 20122:05 pm
A Player Called Chipper
Nineteen years ago a pro player called Chipper
Started playing America’s game, Bobby Cox was his skipper
High School played short
Braves put him at third
Seemed that he liked it
Did not say a word
A batting champ
Switch hitting home runs
MVP, dad is proud of his son
It’s rare a guy plays all of his years
With the same team, a salute to you, cheers
Singles, doubles, triples too
And yes home runs they’re more than a few
A chopper to Chipper a bare handed play
Wow! What a throw what can I say
On Schmidt, on Brett, on Boyers, Ken, and Clete
When it comes to third base, Chipper Jones can’t be beat
He was younger then, but now he’s turned old
The best of the best is what will be told
It seems like yesterday he started to play
We’re sure are going to miss him when he goes away
Look at him run, at times even steal
One year in left field for a team he’s unreal
His truly a legend baseball never forgets
He’s about to retire but he’snot done yet
Breaking records still playing one great game
We will see you next time Cooperstown Hall of Fame
Standing ovations a final farewell
Opponentstip their caps as well
Knute Rockne once said “Lets win for the Gipper!”
But I will never forget number 10 on a player called Chipper
Created By: Dennis Palmer 9/13/12
September 17th, 20122:06 pm
Braves have scored 49 runs in 15 September games. Almost exactly the scoring rate of the 2011 collapse (3.266 rpg in Sept 2012 vs. 3.222 rpg in Sept. 2011). Pitching is the only thing preventing another epic, generational collapse (not to over-dramatize, of course)
Not only preventing a collapse, but winning 2/3 of our games!
“Meanwhile Hanson and his -0.3 WAR”
“Winning Percentage of Team When Pitcher Has Thrown 5 Innings” is the important stat here!
His WPTWPHT5 stat if you will.
based on your initial frame of reference, the Nats overall, season long dominance would have to be labeled “surprising.”
I won’t deny that, for sure. They’ve been better, longer than I thought they had any chance of being.
Guess I better tip my cap.
September 17th, 20122:09 pm
“Pick the Score of that Stupid WC elimination game as well as the opponent”
Ok, so just for argument’s sake. If you have a better chance of winning the wild card game with Medlen pitching or a better chance of winning the 1st round series with Medlen starting game 1, do you risk the wild card game and have Medlen pitch game 1 of the opening series?
It’s a pretty well-known fact that flat cap bills make you look shorter on TV.
MLB confuses me…that one game play-in….I just can’t wrap my head around who came up with that idea, and when they pitched it, how come they didn’t get fired? How is this inserted into the season when the whole regular season is based on series. When teams structure their entire team around winning series with multiple pitchers that can start and relieve.
I really hope for baseball’s sake, the 2 teams finishing 4th overall in their respective leagues are not bumped out by a single game elimination. You will have actually REMOVED playoff games from these teams that would have had a series last year.
In this day and age, trying to expand the playoffs, this is the idea someone came up with and it passed a vote? I realize you can’t expand to 6 because a bye doesn’t work in this sport.
8 teams make it, each league. First week of the playoffs is a quick and ultra exciting best of 3 round to go on and get it back to the usual 4 that we’re used to. Boom! The top teams will not get bounced if they are any good because there is a HUGE difference from 1-8 and if they did get bounced, who cares, they deserve it and everyone loves the underdog. Best of 3 also gives the fans a ton of elimination games, and those are clearly the most exciting part of the playoffs. (just not in a one game format…best of 3 lets you see some rotation depth)
It would possibly be the most electric week of the year and gets you down to 4 teams without making the season go on forever. Teams are built to win these 3 game series all year long, carry it forward to the playoffs.
It’s either that or leave it at 4 but a single game just isn’t how to decide a playoff team. It’ll be an exciting day for Braves fans, but if we lose, LOOK OUT! There will be plenty of anger and it might be well deserved.
September 17th, 20122:10 pm
I love it, superadam.
September 17th, 20122:13 pm
MFin04 If you have a better chance of winning the wild card game with Medlen pitching or a better chance of winning the 1st round series with Medlen starting game 1, do you risk the wild card game and have Medlen pitch game 1 of the opening series?
the WC play-in is an elimination game, so you have to use your best pitcher, period. medlen can start the game in regular rest. he is the obvious choice. you do it that way and huddy pitches games 1 and 5 or the NLDS, with medlen in game 3.
Pitching is the only thing preventing another epic, generational collapse
Well, they’ve had a little luck, too, but deservedly so after last September. The wheel of karma, and like that.
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