Braves need Bourn to heat up; Chipper in SI

(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this series.)

Milwaukee – OK I’m going to throw some numbers out there, but you already know what they’re getting at: Michael Bourn isn’t hitting and you know this because the Braves offense isn’t scoring runs.

That’s how important Bourn is as the leadoff man is to the Braves offense. When he’s going, the Braves are scoring runs and when he’s not, they’re not. We’ve seen it all year both on the positive and negative side.

Bourn is 0-for-8 in the Brewers series and the Braves have lost both games, while scoring one run on a double play grounder by Andrelton Simmons.

Bourn has played in all but one of the Braves games this year and started all but three. In the 81 wins he has played in, Bourn is hitting .320 with a .403 on-base percentage, 16 doubles, five triples, six home runs, 45 RBIs and 26 stolen bases. In the 61 losses he has played in, Bourn is hitting .221 with a .269 on-base percentage, seven doubles, five triples, three home runs, 11 RBIs, and 13 stolen bases.

In 57 games since the All-Star break, Bourn is hitting .227 (51-for-224) with a .323 on-base percentage. The Braves as a team have hit .238 while averaging 4.2 runs in 58 games. Before the All-Star break, Bourn hit .311 with a .366 on-base percentage, and the Braves hit .259 and averaged 4.6 runs per game.

Bourn struck out once every 4.82 at-bats in the first half, and in the second half, he’s struck out once every 3.5 at-bats, including twice last night.

“We’ve got to get him going,” Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez acknowledged after last night’s game. “We’ve got to get him going and we will. He came in today and (hitting coach) Greg (Walker) saw a couple things that he wanted to work on and fix, but we need to get him going.”

In the process of talking to Chipper Jones last night about the Braves offensive struggles, he basically said the same thing in so many words.

“We know our offense starts at the top, and we’ve been struggling to get on base early in the innings to be able to put pressure on the defense,” Jones said. “And that’s the reason why we’ve been struggling offensively, I think.”

It’s a tough assignment to try to turn things around tonight against Brewers ace Yovani Gallardo who faces Braves left-hander Paul Maholm. Gallardo is 6-0 with a 3.04 ERA in his past eight starts and the Brewers have won all eight.

Maholm knows the Brewers well from all his years in the National League Central, and maybe too well. He won only once in his past 18 starts against them dating back to 2006, going 1-10 with a 5.37 ERA including losses in his past five decisions. He’s 3-10 with a 4.87 ERA against them in 21 games overall.

A lot rides on this game mentally for the Braves, who would love to salvage a win so they can finish the road trip 4-2 and take a little momentum home to Atlanta where they welcome in the Nationals this weekend.

The Cardinals have lost two in a row (and four out of five) so the Braves maintained a 5 ½ game lead in the wild card, but both the Brewers and Phillies are making a push now, and trail St. Louis by only four games. Both the Dodgers (one game back) and Pirates (2 ½ back) are having their issues.

Tidbits

Looking ahead to the weekend, pitching match-ups for the Braves vs. Nationals, who are now sans Stephen Strasburg. On Friday it’ll be Kris Medlen vs. Ross Detwiler, on Saturday, Tommy Hanson vs. Edwin Jackson, and on Sunday Mike Minor vs. Gio Gonzalez….

Major League Baseball released the 2013 schedule today. The Braves open and close the season at home against the Phillies, and they’ll travel to Kansas City for the first time in their history. Click here for a story about the schedule.

Tidbits: Bryce Harper had four hits in the game to become the first teenager to collect four hits in a game since Andruw Jones did it on Sept. 22, 1996 at age 19…

Happy Birthday to Freddie Freeman who’s 23 today.

Chipper in back pages of Sports Illustrated

Something you all are going to want to look out for this week. Sports Illustrated asked Chipper Jones to write the “Point After” in this week’s issue. It’s pretty poignant and you won’t want to miss. (Chipper is being honored tonight by the Brewers in his last game in Milwaukee before retirement, by the way.)

Here are a couple of excerpts from that article, including one when Chipper talked about meeting his boyhood (and his father’s) hero Mickey Mantle at a card show shortly before Mantle died.

“He was a god to me. Because he batted switch, I wanted to bat switch. Because he spent his whole career with one club, I wanted to spend my whole career with one club….There were grown men with tears in their eyes that day, meeting the Mick. I asked him, ‘Do you ever get tired of signing?’ He said he had a recurring dream where he gets to the pearly gates and the guy at the door says, “Mick, we’re gonna let you in, but we need you to sign these dozen balls first.” If you’re a ballplayer, people want a piece of you. Why? Because baseball is the grand American game, that’s why.”

And then Chipper closed it with something very personal.

“I’ve had a lot of failings, as a ballplayer, as a father, as a husband. I married at 20 the first time, too young, but I didn’t know that then. I’m getting divorced now from my second wife, and I will never, ever, get married again. But I honestly wouldn’t change a thing. I believe everything happens for a reason. My four kids, three with my second wife, are athletic, smart, fun, still young. I’ve been a part-time father. Now, come October, I’m going to be a full-time father, like my father was to me. I’m going to teach Shea to bat switch. He’s eight. It’s time. I’m saying goodbye without a tear in my eye. I gave it my all.”

Braves lineup:

1. Bourn CF

2. Prado LF

3. Heyward RF

4. Jones 3B

5. Freeman 1B

6. Uggla 2B

7. McCann C

8. Janish SS

9. Maholm P

1,786 comments Add your comment

Kevin

September 12th, 2012
4:00 pm

Thanks for new blog Carroll!

Tomahawkin

September 12th, 2012
4:00 pm

FREE MIXXO

Braves are now 10-13 Since he got Bozo’d and the team is has hit like ####

Its a Curse

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

Atlanta Braves ‏@Braves
Tonight’s lineup at MIL (8:10, SPSO/680AM/BRN): Bourn 8 Prado 7 Heyward 9 Jones 5 Freeman 3 Uggla 4 McCann 2 Janish 6 Maholm 1

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

ChipperisGod

September 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

You’re right Carrol. Gotta get Bourn going. Ironically, I think he should get the night off. Looks exhausted.

Got the new SI and can’t wait to read it. Going to come to a game this weekend to see Chip and the boys again, and the last game vs. the Mets as well.

Let’s get it going all!

Go Braves!

ChipperisGod

September 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

You’re right Carrol. Gotta get Bourn going. Ironically, I think he should get the night off. Looks exhausted.

Got the new SI and can’t wait to read it. Going to come to a game this weekend to see Chip and the boys again, and the last game vs. the Mets as well.

Let’s get it going all!

Go Braves!

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

Has anybody actually communicated with Mixxo to know for sure he was banned? He said something about leaving the blog not too long B4 he disappeared. Or is this just more speculation accusation?

Kevin

September 12th, 2012
4:05 pm

Might be time for the do-it-all Prado to hit leadoff for a few games just to give Bourn a breather.

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

Wow, is Simmons sore, you think?

reckingball

September 12th, 2012
4:07 pm

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:07 pm

Has anybody actually communicated with Mixxo to know for sure he was banned? He said something about leaving the blog not too long B4 he disappeared.

Geez, who cares why that guy is MIA? Good riddance.

DAP

September 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

What would be really nice is for the Braves to get a chance to set up their rotation for the playoffs

DS1 and scoots, if we keep the current rotation, i think medlen can start the one game playoff on 3 days rest.

or, they can skip a starter on an off day(which would be easy, since hanson is scheduled to start on an off day), and medlen can start the playoff on regular rest.

ChipperisGod

September 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

Why is Simmons out of the line up? He got two hits last night! Unless he’s sore, he should under no circumstance, be out of the order.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

well Tomahawkin seems to make a big deal out of it scoots…..

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
4:09 pm

nolie – it would be an amazing coincidence if he left on his own after those last 4 posts…

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

T’Hawkin – “it’s a curse” ….or a slump. By the way, ALL baseball teams have slumps and losing streaks. It baseball. Long season. Hitting is streaky. Great pitchers have bad games. Sorry pitchers have great games. Too much Football mentality around here. ( this was not directed at you specifically, T’H, but at the minions.)

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

I don’t know VJ, he mighta used that as a parting shot not planning to come back.
I never actually saw the posts, but I get tired of all the unproven accusations that some folks love to spread around

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

VJ – I’m sorry I missed all the excitement. I don’t particularly miss Mixxo.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

( this was not directed at you specifically, T’H, but at the minions.),,,raleigh

it should have been, he is one of the premiere football mentality guys on the blog, always has been

cricket

September 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

is simmons broke? why the heck is janish playing?

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

nolie – Yeah, it’s a lot like certain politicians lately…some people just say schydt with no basis in reality.

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

So the Nationals currently are project by ESPN to have 100% lock on the playoffs. Braves are at 99.1%.

So the Braves chances of winning the division are somewhere in the realm of .9% I’d guess.

I’m not gonna put my hopes on the .9%

cricket

September 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

best records since the All-Star break in NL -

Reds 39 19
Nationals 39 20
Phillies 34 21
Braves 35 23
Padres 34 22
Giants 34 22

toast

September 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

carroll

any idea on what time the WC game will be played on the 5th and how tixs are selling?

got my 5 this morning and can’t wait. friday hopefully at night and for once the ted should be LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.

hopefully hamels won’t be opposing pitcher :(

Gary O.

September 12th, 2012
4:17 pm

Look on the bright side. With Bourn struggling, that should bring down his price tag in free agency.

Bourn has played in all but one of the Braves games this year and started all but three..

Also, is it possible he is overused/worn out?

cricket

September 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

I’m not gonna put my hopes on the .9%

no guts no glory. those are the odds that vegas loves and made lots of money for the guy that bet on Cards last yer.

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

“and made lots of money for the guy that bet on Cards last year.”

Yeh, well I went all in on the Cardinals last year and it still didn’t make me very happy. :cry:

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
4:24 pm

Already called sweep, nolie.

Tomahawkin

September 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

raleighbravefan

“T’Hawkin – “it’s a curse” ….or a slump. By the way, ALL baseball teams have slumps and losing streaks. It baseball. Long season. Hitting is streaky. Great pitchers have bad games. Sorry pitchers have great games. Too much Football mentality around here. ( this was not directed at you specifically, T’H, but at the minions.)”

Yeah Man, Most Braves Fans are Hardcore Fans of The SEC, and Atlanta is The MECCA of the SEC

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

OK, what’s the deal with no Simmons?

Fish Bisch – Please butcher Yovani Gallardo’s name with your “owns us” line. It is traditional to start a winning streak with that, don’t you know.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

yeah I made a killing on the 96 series but it didn’t make me happy. did alleviate much of the pain though….

Tomahawkin

September 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

SWEEP

only a 30 percent Chance of us winning this one…

We hit like this against the Curley W’s this Weekend, They are gonna take us to the Woodshed

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:28 pm

Brewers own us

DAP

September 12th, 2012
4:29 pm

we havent won a single game since simmons returned. get him outta there!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
4:31 pm

Collapse will be in high gear WHEN, not if, we loose tonight. That’s just the way it goes. BANK on it!

DAP

September 12th, 2012
4:31 pm

guyardo owns us. ….?

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
4:31 pm

Two games, no XBH’s.

It’s real hard to watch them right now. But, I feel obligated to.
I love baseball and I’m a lifelong Braves fan.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be a Cubs faithful.

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:33 pm

well Tomahawkin seems to make a big deal out of it scoots…..

Why am I not surprised at that particular pairing, LOL? Mercy.

I’m not gonna put my hopes on the .9%

No stones at all, brother. You don’t win the rodeo by riding the broke hoss, you got to get up on the wild bucker for eight seconds.

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

Jimmy – Difference is NOBODY expects the Cubs to win. :)

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

Hey George, Carroll wrote this blog too. Not DOB.
I want to make sure you knew that.

DAP – add this :-( and it might work.

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

scoots – Man, you are on a roll today (even more than usual).

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

“You don’t win the rodeo by riding the broke hoss, you got to get up on the wild bucker for eight seconds.”

So bench Chipper? ;)

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

( this was not directed at you specifically, T’H, but at the minions.)…scoots

true dat. saddle bronc ridin’ ain’t so awful bad, bareback is right tough, bull ridin’ is a stone bitch….

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
4:36 pm

Carroll_

Good read, thanks.

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

No, MFin, I was doing a ****-kicker paraphrase of Sun Tzu, you dolt. :-)

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

George is so obsessed with DOB’s schedule, that there is a BOLO out on him for stalking.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

yeah raleigh, that is at least partially true, after a long enough time being bad I think it hurts less that when your team has an actual chance fairly regularly, and gets bucked off

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

Sun Tzu say “War is fun, but WAR sukks”

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

raleigh – I guess it’s not as bad if you go in expecting to lose. Expectations sets the bar.

And honestly, it’s not just the Braves losing that gets to me, it’s how they do it. Frustrating as heck.

Like having a first and goal at the one… and not scoring. Now, repeat that two or three times in a game.

cricket

September 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

You don’t win the rodeo by riding the broke hoss

or without going all-in with gut-shot straight draw
or without playing janish instead of simmons

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:42 pm

Jimmy – I understand completely (although, there goes that football mentality again. :) )

cricket

September 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

Expectations sets the bar.

lower expectations – secret of happiness

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:43 pm

You have to beat the best to be the best…..or you could just get REAL lucky.

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
4:44 pm

raleigh – that was for TH.

Got to run. I’ll be back before game time.

See you good folks later.

Gustopher

September 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Great blog Carroll. Any idea what the Brewers are going to do for Chipper’s last appearance?

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

they could give him a sausage race costume with the #10 on it

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

lower expectations – secret of happiness

Or what passes for happiness, I guess. Me, I always like to look around for the Blue Label before I settle for something else in my glass.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

some guys go home with the prom queen, some with the class punch…

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

Brewers and Phillies are making a push? Yep those 3% to 4% chance of making the playoffs are really exciting for them, let me tell you.

I’ll take my 99.1% chance of making the playoffs and take it to the bank, invest it in a CD at 1% for the next 10 years and ROLL in the dough!

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

“some guys go home with the prom queen, some with the class punch…”

No, no

Losers always whine about their best, Winners (go home with) the prom queen.

Carla WAS the prom queen!

ncscoots

September 12th, 2012
4:50 pm

…and some guys are afraid to go to the dance, period. :-)

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:51 pm

they are both prolly glad they scored…..

nolie

September 12th, 2012
4:53 pm

gotta try to be a bit more original than just quoting mf

raleighbravefan

September 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Time to go. Happy trails, frineds. Go Braves!

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Has anybody actually communicated with Mixxo to know for sure he was banned? _ nolie

Not likely to get an answer to that type of question. Now if you asked “did you hear so and so got Mixxo banned, that SOB”, you would get plenty of replies saying “hell yeah”.

If I remember correctly someone said something along the lines of ‘if you hate it so much why don’t you leave, Mixxo’. And he replied with something like ‘don’t worry chief, I’ll be gone for good soon.’

Maybe he committed blog suicide. Maybe he just split. Maybe something else, who knows.

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
4:56 pm

Just gotta tip your cap to those Brewer pitchers. Right? But I gotta say this, they must turn on the extra high powered wind machines to blow a few of the balls Braves have hit back into the park. Seems like a half dozen or so have died on the warning track. But then the turbines get reversed when the home team bats.

Rick

September 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

Is there some STUPID frigging reason Fat Fredi is starting no hitting Janish over Simmons tonight? Does this guy just not frigging get it!?

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
4:58 pm

“Maybe he committed blog suicide”

blog-o-cide?

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

“But then the turbines get reversed when the home team bats.”

No joke. Wouldn’t be surprised, they are the same team that juiced up Braun right? Or was it the FedEx guy? Wait I forget?

nolie

September 12th, 2012
5:01 pm

thats about what I remember too Bat

ATLcracker

September 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Come to think of it Simmons made two throws last night that were not his usual quality. Could be something wrong with his hand/arm. Did anyone see him throwing in those minor league games?

steve

September 12th, 2012
5:02 pm

Braves are not hitting so Fredi starts a sub .200 hitter at short? Anyone else see a problem?

Braveone

September 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

From the previous blog which had 1,056 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 71 posts. There were 155 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 TheOnlyBravesFan 71
2 Disgusted 38
3 cabravesfan 36
4 Mark 35
5 MFin04 33
6 ChattTownBrian 32
7 Efrim 32
8 Venice Jim 31
9 ncscoots 26
10 Brava 22
11 phil 22
12 FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ 21
13 brian 21
14 nolie 21
15 Capt.Mudd 20
16 Tomahawkin 20
17 tiger297 20
18 Hugo Z Hackenbush 19
19 TennesseePaul 19
20 ncbravesfan90 18
21 Heath 17
22 VaBravesFan 16
23 sometimesiwonder 14
24 ACE 13
25 Lew 13

nolie

September 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

FCS people get a grip, I’m sure there is a reason

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:03 pm

One of those throws was because of a poor feed from Uggla that would have ended the inning. But then that would have only made the final score 2-0.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

Blog-o-cide? Works for me. PL committed it but he came back from the dead over and over. He’s still hovering around.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
5:06 pm

death by (blog) cop

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:07 pm

thats about what I remember too Bat

nolie_

Good enough for me then. Though not as interesting as some meanie getting poor, innocent, misunderstood Mixxo banned.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

In the meantime I’m getting pretty much fed up with not scoring some runs.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
5:13 pm

me too, i lie them 8-1 braves wins

steve

September 12th, 2012
5:14 pm

Janish is playing, so we will score!

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:17 pm

Janish is playing, so we will score!

but Biff is not playing, so we can’t win :(

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:17 pm

Janish? I thought Biff was the run midas

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

robneyer ‏@robneyer
“Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness.” – Capt. Nathan Brittles

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:19 pm

Simmons sitting does seem odd. Not like he needs a rest. He only drove in the lone run scored in last 2 games and had half the team hits last night. Guess maybe the rest of the guys had relaxed thinking Simmons is back and he will carry us the rest of the way.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

he is probably real sore. even Fredi is not dumb enough to sit him for no reason with Simmons just back

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

He only drove in the lone run scored in last 2 games and had half the team hits last night.

Well there you go. Sitting will teach him a lesson about hotdogging

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

Janish? I thought Biff was the run midas

Biff affects only the stat that matters without worrying about peripherals – wins

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

People are still concerned with Mixxo’s disappearance? I say good riddance!

By the way, as a team the Braves hit .252/.333/.353/.686 against Gallardo in 139 ABs (and have drawn 18 walks). Struck out 37 times against this guy. Bourn has hit this guy hard, going 11-27, with 5 RBI, 2 BB and 10Ks against him. (.407/.448/.444/.893

Uggla is 4-15 with 1 BB and 2Ks

Chipper is 3-11 with 3 BB and 3Ks

Janish is 5-8 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI for the person who asked why he’s starting

We will win tonight, hope the bats do lots of damage. Later folks, Peace.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

cricket_

Good point.

buzzer

September 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

Is MIxxo the same as the free mike vick dude(dudette)?

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

Janish is 5-8 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI for the person who asked why he’s starting

why is Janish starting?

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

Matthew Diaz ‏@diazfoundation
remember that time the offense was struggling in Milwaukee and then Martin Prado hit a bomb and the offense got hot for a month? I do!!

Let’s hope lightning strikes twice.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

Janish is 5-8 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI for the person who asked why he’s starting

He’s over do for an O’fer then

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
5:27 pm

This offense was hot…when Uggla and McCann got on base 9 times in a game, since then all downhill.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

Amanda Comak ‏@acomak
Davey said he told Strasburg to “keep taking BP. If I can’t use your arm, I might need your bat.” Not sure if he was joking, but we’ll see.

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

Let’s hope lightning strikes twice.

i’m afraid that retractable roof will block that lightning..

buzzer

September 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

That Prado homer happened in like late April or sometime in May. It was Spring and the team was fresh. Not like now when everbody looks comatose in Sept.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

The Braves are due for an offensive explosion. I’m calling over 2 tonight.

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

“remember that time the offense was struggling in Milwaukee and then Martin Prado hit a bomb and the offense got hot for a month? I do!!”

That must have been the reason they are using wind turbines to blow Braves dingers back onto the warning track. Supporting evidence for my theory.

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
5:30 pm

“I’m calling over 2 tonight.”

Two would be a good enough explosion for me.

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

I’m calling over 2 tonight

hits?

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

hits?

Fly balls caught on the warning track?

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

ha, runs, man. I’m boarding the optimism train. Join me there are plenty of seats available.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

i’m afraid that retractable roof will block that lightning..

cricket downer. :mad:

brian

September 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

nice call Bat

buzzer

September 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

If Bourn makes us go (or not)…. who is gonna make the offense go next year with no Bourn and no Chipper?

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:36 pm

t. Louis Cardinals presently have five .300 hitters in their lineup.
.
Only 3 other 90s teams with that luxury – 996 Colorado Rockies, 1997 Red Sox and 1999 Mets

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:37 pm

Welcome aboard, brian.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:37 pm

So, did Simmons get hurt when he got flipped over at second? Why isn’t he playing?

MFin04

September 12th, 2012
5:38 pm

“Cardinals presently have five .300 hitters in their lineup.”

And they have CARLOS BELTRAN. Don’t tell him it is the playoffs or that he is playing the Braves. :cry:

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:39 pm

I’m on the train, too Bat. After all, I bought post-season tickets yesterday and I intend to use them. :)

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

Bat – never left my seat on optimism train. but that can’t come in way of making joke ;)

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

Just gotta tip your hat to them. Fredi should have a button to push that would say that for him.

I may get on the optimism train but would be sitting in the back wearing dark glasses.

Lee in S GA

September 12th, 2012
5:40 pm

If Bourn makes us go (or not)…. who is gonna make the offense go next year with no Bourn and no Chipper?
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that is why it is this year or bust…at least for a couple of years…

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

Maybe some birthday power from Freeman tonight! He could use it and so could the Braves!

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

Jason Martinez ‏@mlbdepthcharts
#Nationals RT @MarkZuckerman M. Morse has a torn sheath in addition to bone bruise in L hand. Will rest 2 days, try to take BP on Friday.

cricket

September 12th, 2012
5:43 pm

I may get on the optimism train but would be sitting in the back wearing dark glasses….Heisenberg

i know those glasses and guessing you’ll be waring that hat too…and here i thought you were out of the business, man :)

the truth...

September 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

This is an example of where Fredi is a scew up………..

Simmons to the bench after a two hit night on Tuesday-HALF OF THE BRAVES OFFENSE…!

Drove in the only run Monday night-no rbi because it was a double play but got the run across..

So now Fredi sits him????????????????

Absurd Fredi Gonzalez……………….absurd….

If it was up to me, I’d sit Bourn for a couple of nights to give him a breather and play Reed or Prado in center…..

Bat Simmons lead off…..he gets on base and is fast enought…..

Can’t do worse than Bourn is now…..

Keep Simmons on the field !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

This guy probably jinxed him…

Steve Berthiaume ‏@SBerthiaumeESPN
#Marlins Josh Johnson has a No Hitter thru 5 IP at #Phillies 2 BB, 4 K, 79 pitches.

Mikey

September 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

I would think by now there should be some comment regarding Simmons?

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:47 pm

Good deal, we’re in fine company then.

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

Certainly the hat.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

but that can’t come in way of making joke cricket

Nope, humor first.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Andrelton Simmons is day-to-day after rolling his right ankle going back to second base last night on a pick off move. #Braves

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
#Braves had thought Simmons right ankle was more severe last night but after trainers examined him today it’s not as serious

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

finger? ankle? pulled peg leg? They need to get their story straight.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Fredi says he’s hopeful with the night off today, and tomorrow’s off day, Andrelton Simmons can play on Friday at home against the Nationals

its alive

September 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Andrelton Simmons is day-to-day after rolling his right ankle going back to second base last night on a pick off move. #Braves

its alive

September 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Fredi says he’s hopeful with the night off today, and tomorrow’s off day, Andrelton Simmons can play on Friday at home against the Nationals

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

David O’Brien ‏@ajcbraves
#Braves were concerned last night it was a high ankle sprain for Simmons but examined today it wasn’t that bad. Big relief for Braves

Brava

September 12th, 2012
5:57 pm

Troll, troll, go away, please come back another day never.

Heisenberg

September 12th, 2012
6:00 pm

gotta go … time to cook

jim

September 12th, 2012
6:04 pm

Simmons looked to be concious of trying to slide feet first back to second, but was not used to doing it in that situation and looked awkward.

One Big Dummy

September 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

Boy, I sure hope the Phillies don’t end up with the second wild card.

Veer

September 12th, 2012
6:07 pm

JANISH OVER SIMMONS? WHAT IS HAPPENING

Brava

September 12th, 2012
6:08 pm

Breathe, Veer… and read.

MiaBchBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
6:10 pm

Who wants to re-sign Michael Bourn NOW?

I don’t. Two flat Septembers tells me that you can take the Astro out of Houston…

But you can’t take the Astro out of Bourn.

MiaBchBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
6:12 pm

Geez! Is Simmons related to Chris Chandler???

MiaBchBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
6:15 pm

If Braves’ hitters were able to take a baseball Viagra, they would still be limp as chimps.

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

They’ve played 5 games (2-3 record) over the past week+ where they don’t have an RBI and in those 5 games Bourn had 5 hits in 17 at-bats

*although the way this month has been going if he had been getting on consistently I’d bet Prado would have taken care of that with some double plays

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

Phillies up 3-1 in the 8th…….winning again.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Simmons: “I want to be out there but I guess they want to be more careful with a day off coming, give me two days straight” #Braves

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

idiots abound

Brava

September 12th, 2012
6:27 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Simmons (on his right ankle): “a lot better. It feels good. Woke up really good” #Braves

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
6:27 pm

Simmons being bow legged could cause some awkward injuries.

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
6:34 pm

Ok, so the bats are cold and we are facing a very good pitcher. So…..I predict we score 6+ and salvage a game. Remember, I posted this at 6:32, with out the the aid of an adult beverage.

If we get our brains beat out, please do not bring this post up. :-)

Honestly, I’m expecting the unexpected tonight. For some reason.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:34 pm

the Braves always take the “extra day of rest” road for safety

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
6:36 pm

nolie, why are we even interested in the game tonight anyway? They’re gonna get swept anyways, right? I mean we both called it.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:37 pm

gutsy call Jimmy, especially without an adult beverage as an excuse ;)

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:38 pm

Faith, Hope and Charity TCB

Veer

September 12th, 2012
6:39 pm

With a win Phillies might only be 3 games out of the Cardinals.
Do we want to face the Cardinals? or the Phillies?

Phillies pitching scare me but then in a game playoff
which is worse for us?

1 of Halladay Hamels Lee or 1 of Loshe and Wainwright

considering Phillies and Cardinals offense. Cards have big advantage on the offense side and pitching you got to figure Wainwright is just as good as any of the Philly starters.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:39 pm

sheeesh typos sukk. CTB not TCB…

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:41 pm

I don’t know, Wainwright ain’t been all that special this year, has he?

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
6:41 pm

You can call me what you want … just don’t call me late for dinner!

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
6:42 pm

Why is Janish in there? Put Prado at SS and start CONSTANZA.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:43 pm

If you’ll be my bodyguard,
I can be your long lost pal!
I can call you Betty,
And Betty, when you call me,
You can call me Al!
You can call me Al …..

Joe

September 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

The Braves would not be where they are now without Bourn. All the BS because he cooled off. He may turn it around at any time and care the team in play-off. Boy if its not Uggla, McCann, JJ, J-Hey, etc it always one player the hawks like to beat up on. BS fans!

darrell starks

September 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

Braves have scored 1 run in 18 ing, WOW!!!!!!!

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

September 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

Braves have scored 1 run in 18 ing, WOW!!!!!!!

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

with Janish back if he stays healthy you ain’t gonna see Prado at SS often if at all I’m guessin’

Joe

September 12th, 2012
6:49 pm

darrell starks

September 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

nolie, Janish is batting .188.

Why not starte Prado at SS he just as good, and let Constanza play LF, i hope Simmons is allright.

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
6:53 pm

I remember that song, nolie. Chevy Chase doesn’t sing like he talks. He’s one funny dude too.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
6:54 pm

no he is not just as good, Janish plays much better defense and the Braves have always valued defense there.
and like I said, I’m just guessing what they will do from previous experience, I might be wrong this time

One Big Dummy

September 12th, 2012
6:58 pm

Phillies win again.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
6:59 pm

The made the vets look bad by over doing it and getting 2 hits! They complained to management and thus sat the over achieving short stop before it got out of hand.

robdawg08

September 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

Chipper, you were my all time favorite player. Its been fun watching you play all these years. Best wishes in your retirement.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

Janish Defensive WAR .4
Simmons Defensive WAR 1.5

Yeah Janish is the better defender.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

Thank you CARROLL,tonight was one of your very best main blogs.

Murph

September 12th, 2012
7:02 pm

Wait… I thought the old guard here said the Phillies were washed up, were done, were not a threat.

What happened? Technically they got worse at the trade deadline, yet are playing their best ball of the season right now.

(yes, I’m going to keep bringing it up until someone tells me I was right and they were wrong… ahem… Efrim/Lew/scoots/et all).

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:02 pm

Cards trailing already. Brewers and Cards might end up fighting it out for the second playoff spot.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:03 pm

They meant between Janish and Prado at SS.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
7:05 pm

Do any of you think we miss the playoffs? I say no way because the pitching and health is there … knock on wood.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:05 pm

Whoa….. robdawg08

Long time no see.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:07 pm

@chatttown

I don’t think we miss the wild card play-in game. We might get shut out in that game but that’s making the playoffs.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:07 pm

(yes, I’m going to keep bringing it up until someone tells me I was right and they were wrong… ahem… Efrim/Lew/scoots/et all). _ Murph

You were right and they were wrong………………. maybe

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:07 pm

Did I miss something? Why is SIMMONS not in lineup? Everyone wanted him back, now FREDI benches him after ONE game and I believe AL got two hits last night, better than the rest of our bums.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:08 pm

Thanks Carroll

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:09 pm

George, Simmons hurt his ankle

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:09 pm

Why is SIMMONS not in lineup?

George,

Simmons needed a day off.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:10 pm

team hopes he will be back this weekend.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:10 pm

Monday night was a hick-up, Tuesday night was a burp. Please FREDI don’t let tonight become the start of total indigestion. Play your best players.

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

Whoa….. robdawg08

Long time no see

Those homeruns aren’t going to hit themselves

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

According to George, nobody should ever take a day off. He once went to work with 2 sprained ankles, a punctured lung, and his hair on fire.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

For what reason BAT? He can’t play two games in a row?

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

On a Saturday.

Mendoza Line

September 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

UNBELIEVABLE

It’s unbelievable that Fredi is starting Janish tonight, after Simmons has just returned from the DL two days earlier — irrespective of how Janish may have hit this pitcher in the past.

Simmons is a much more complete offensive player — and is much needed during this current offensive dearth the Braves have been experiencing.

I’m hopeful the Braves will hire a better, more qualified manager this off season — anyone but Fredi.

Murph

September 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

Close enough Bat, thanks. Now I can go back to talking about the Sopapillaporium.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:09 pm
Thanks ACE.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

For what reason BAT? He can’t play two games in a row?

George _

Kids these days are just lazy. What are you gonna do

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

Maholm has a 3-10 career record against the Brew Crew.

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

Holy crap, Simmons sprained his ankle and is coming back from hand surgery you slave drivers.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:16 pm

Murph_

Sounds good to me. Did you know more people are killed every year by deer than by guns?

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

Then why can’t we have someone who can hit a little [like MARTIN ] at SS? Hitting is what we need right now.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

Janish Defensive WAR .4
Simmons Defensive WAR 1.5

Yeah Janish is the better defender….Semper

you really need to pat more attention b4 getting all snarky over the wrong thing., the comparison was between Janish and Prado, not Simmons
and who gives a damn about WAR anyway. I’ll take Fielders Bible over it everyday

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

He once went to work with 2 sprained ankles, a punctured lung, and his hair on fire.

George is old school.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Mendoza Line

September 12th, 2012
7:12 pm
UNBELIEVABLE

It’s unbelievable that Fredi is starting Janish tonight, after Simmons has just returned from the DL two days earlier — irrespective of how Janish may have hit this pitcher in the past.

Simmons is a much more complete offensive player — and is much needed during this current offensive dearth the Braves have been experiencing.

I’m hopeful the Braves will hire a better, more qualified manager this off season — anyone but Fredi.
******************************
THANK YOU Mendoza, YOU SAID IT ALL. FREDI IS THE WORST.

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:21 pm

Hey look, George George made a friend

Jake Lamotta's gut

September 12th, 2012
7:21 pm

C’mon Bravos. Can we score 3…4 maybe?

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

3 or 4 runs???? ya wanna give me a stroke from astonishment? I’m an old man, not sure I could take all that excitement

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

George has lots of friends.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:25 pm

FREDI will do his best to see we don’t get past that silly one game play-in to get to WC.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:25 pm

George is a buddy, we just don’t agree much about the Braves. He is just an ‘Excitable Boy’ sometimes.. ;)

Jim

September 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

Micky Mantle was also my boyhood idol and like Chipper’s dad I took my son to meet him at a card show, paid 35.00, stood in a long line, and when we got up to Mick, he was talking to someone else behind the table, he barely looked at us and said nothing to us, just continued to talk to somebody else, We have to be careful how high we put these guys on their pedestal, just because they can swing a bat dosn’t make them complete heros. Just sayin..

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

Fredi is still looking for that first playoff game.

brian

September 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

Simmons had many awkward looking slides last night, especially on pick off attempts. I know he wants to protect his hand but not at the expense of messing up his ankle. There has to be a protective brace he can put on when he reaches base

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:24 pm
George has lots of friends.
**************************
ACE and Brava think I am ok. nolie, Bat and Lew tolerate me.

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

FREDI will do his best to see we don’t get past that silly one game play-in to get to WC.

Oh, did you not think that Fredi would win the one-game playoff? Well why didn’t you ever tell us that???

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

This might be the biggest game in Maholm’s career so far.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:32 pm

VJ and cab kinda do.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Jim got Big Timed by the Mick. That’s awesome.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

I think you are ok George. At least you don’t get on here and go nuts with insults. You are a lil’ obsessive about a coupla things but nobody is perfect….maybe not even me…

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:35 pm
You and Lew know baseball and I respect that.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

Will Just making the playoffs be enough to for Fredi to keep his job? If he goes one and done is he done.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:40 pm

I’m guessing he is safe as long as we make the playoffs, but I don’t feel all that sure about it. Could go either way, maybe 60-40?
I think Wren is safe no matter what for another year anyway

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:42 pm

@Ace

LOLOL

The Braves never hold any players accountable.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:42 pm

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:39 pm
I did not call getting in that one game play-in game makeing the playoffs, if we win that game we are in the playoffs.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

Ron Gant got caught looking ticked off at something. Camera got on him and he did a fake smile. I bet Gant can get really nasty if he wants to.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

Nolie, I agree with you on Wren.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

Gant is a bad ass. I always liked the guy

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

or coaches accountable.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

nolie, Bat and Lew tolerate me.

Ah come on, George. I like you just fine.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

pretty hard to fire a manager of a team with 90 wins. Why dontca go back and see just how often that has happened FFG.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

If the Braves win 90+ games and we make the playoffs(which is sadly a one gamer), then I fully expect Fredi to be back.

We could collapse again, miss the playoffs and I think Wren would still be given this offseason and 2013. Fredi? No way he would return.

And for the folks that don’t like to blame Wren for anything, he did hire Fredi Gonzalez to manage the team. That has to be at least one strike against the man. But I’m a fan of Wren overall – just not that decision.

keyLargo

September 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

Simmons had many awkward looking slides last night, especially on pick off attempts. I know he wants to protect his hand but not at the expense of messing up his ankle.

The most awkward looking play on his wrist was on the DP that he did not turn and a run scored on. He got his legs taken out from under him and he landed on both wrists.

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Still would like to see Eddie Perez get a shot here if it doesn’t work out with Fredi.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

I bet that hire involved John S too Efrim.

Trader Jack

September 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

Both Wren and Fredi will be back. they each have one year left on their contracts

Jimmy

September 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

nolie @ 6:37 pm

gutsy call Jimmy, especially without an adult beverage as an excuse ;-)

nolie – For some reason, I don’t expect the usual tonight. On paper, we get spanked like Pamela Anderson. I just have a feeling, something happens tonight.

Just wanted to drop in before the idiots get in here full swing. Good to see Bat and Murph have clocked in. I miss the regulars when they aren’t around.

See you good folks later. Again, somehow, some way, the Braves score 6+ and win.

It is 7:50 and an adult beverage WAS involved in THIS post. But, I’ll stand by it.

Later.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

given a complete free hand i’m not so sure Fredi would have been his first choice

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Sure thing, George.

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

I bet that hire involved John S too Efrim.

I get that. But then can Frank ever do anything wrong? What is his fault? Nothing? I think he’s a better GM than most, though. But oddly enough, I don’t think Wren gets much grief on here at all. That’s surprising and probably a good sign.

Man, that was an N8 like post from me. ;)

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:53 pm

Looks like the BRAVES will get past my predicted 85 win season.

George_George

September 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:48 pm
I bet that hire involved John S too Efrim.
**************************************
And with BOBBY’s high recomendtion.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

there are a dozen or so who hate Wren, thankfully they seldom show up in droves…
sure he has made a few booboos, every GM who ever lived has. I certainly don’t think he is the bestest greatest GM around, but he is aggressice about acquiring what he thinks he needs and can afford, and has made several absolute steals and a number of other decent trades. B+

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

don’t think Wren gets much grief on here at all

He gets plenty of grief. Recently for Uggla, but also Lowe, KK, and McLouth

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Jimmy_

Good to see you, too.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

yeah Bobby prolly had some input but Frank and Bobby are not pals by any means

Couch Tater

September 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

I bet that hire involved John S too Efrim.

Why? Does he ride Harleys?

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Wren was pushing Cox out the door as fast as he could.

Murph

September 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Good to see Bat and Murph have clocked in. I miss the regulars when they aren’t around.

I’ve been working OT for the last 2 months, no end in sight. Well, actually, the end is in sight, it just is likely to be after the regular season is over.

I’ll be back on more during the offseason, just in time to throw some ridiculous names into the FA/trade pool.

GO BARVES!!!

nolie

September 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

should not get grief for either McLouth or Uggla. No way to know in advance how they would falter.
KK definitely, Tex,Soriano are the three that come to mind right away that I disagreed with from the gitgo

George_George

September 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

Well Peanut needs walk so outta here for game. WE NEED A WIN TONIGHT. Wishing MARTIN at SS, JOSE C in LF. Nite all.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

oh Hinske, I was against bringing him back.
and some relievers and subs too, but in all fairness those type guys are always a crap shoot

Tom Waits wears Redwing boots

September 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

Kurkjian_ESPN Tim Kurkjian
Three AL East teams are separated by two games. That’s the tighest this division has been this late since 1993

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Three AL East teams are separated by two games. That’s the tighest this division has been this late since 1993

And now it sort of loses it’s excitement a little because all 3 teams could make the playoffs…

darrell starks

September 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

nolie, what coach in there right mind would starte Janish, Prado just as good.

look no one is looking for Ozzie Smith type defense, Prado is a solid player who play good defense also have above AVG BAT.

When your struggle to score runs like the Braves playing .188 Janish will not improve that at all.

Look for your boy Janish to have and 0 for 4 night.

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Veer

September 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

WHY THE HELL IS BOURN PLAYING? THIS GUY IS A STRIKE OUT MACHINE. I DON’T WANT TO SEE THIS GUY NEXT YEAR

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

I don’t think anyone is suggesting Janish start and Prado sit on the bench. Prado’s bat will be in any line up, but SS is not his best defensive position and Janish is well above average there.

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

Tex, Soriano, Kawakami, and it’s probably just me, but I’d never, ever give up a first rounder for a 40 year old Tom Glavine. That was crazy. Even Wagner, I didn’t like at the time. In his tenure, he’s given up a 1st rounder in 2008, a 2nd rounder in 2009, and a 1st rounder in 2010. The two first rounders he did select were Mike Minor and Sean Gilmartin prior to this year selecting Lucas Sims. I know Tony DeMacio made those picks, but again, Wren brought him in.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

JASON!!!!!!!

jeffrey d

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

I’d just like people to know that I just turned on the game before that HR.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Jason with da Bomb!!!!!!!

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Carry On My Heyward Son :)

Sopheee

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Peace out, baseball.

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Hahaha. I was just ready to scream and cuss if he swung at 3-0. Oh man……

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

Nice, Jason.

Looks like my feed is way behind the blog

darrell starks

September 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

A good coach would bring Janish in late inning for defense only if your winning.

GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

I kinda love that the Sausages presented Chipper with his parting gift…so perfect for Milwaukee :)

Zac in Tempe

September 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

Ugh, Janish in the lineup just cuz Simmons is hurt. Just another reason Fredi should give up and shop for a coffin.

MIdtown

September 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

The Phillies are only 3.5 games out of wild card! After dumping some big names they must have gotten lean and mean.

A one game playoff with the ol’ Phillies … Wouldn’t that be fun.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

Bourn could have been on base….someone has to have a big-time talk with Michael….he has to know this slump is stealing money from his future investment endeavors.

Bourn Not Hot

September 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

Bourn rewarding the faithful by swinging at ball four to strike out and start the game.

Braves need to overpay Boros and Bourn in the offseason so he can underachieve again next year in ATL.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

I wish Michael Bourn was actually an effective component of the Braves lineup. At least Jason Heyward went ahead and scored the Braves alotted one run tonight.

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

If the Brewers were selling, I’d love to get Gallardo. Also was thinking why in the world the Rays would trade James Shields, even this offseason. They should just keep running their fleet of #2 and up starters out there near every game.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

Returning for a quickie to remind you all that….

HEYWARD SUCKS — ZERO-TOOL PLAYER!

Efrim

September 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Excuse me, DeMacio made the Gilmartin pick. Wren’s boy was clearly Minor.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

I don’t know what you are talking about with Bourne. This is what he is. He was playing over his head i the 1st half. Give him a 5 year 90 million dollar contract if you want but just know this is what you’re getting. A .275 hitter with .350/.350, 50 sb’s, and excellent defense.

mark

September 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

It ain’t that hard
Born RF
Prado 2B
Jhey RF
Chipper 3B
Freeman 1B
Johnson LF
Simmons SS
Ross C

John Leonard

September 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

O.K. Paul,there’s your one run.

smallmouth6

September 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

I look forward to seeing FG back as coach next year. whatever this year’s conclusion might be. He’s done a good job–much better than 2011, which I think he would admit was mishandled. Shows he can learn from mistakes.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

Just plunk Roid Braun and go after the next guy.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:22 pm

“Here I Go Again,” Whitesnake

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

Aww come on Paul!

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

I’m sure Prado makes that play…

Sopheee

September 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

Y’all know I love ‘teen ‘teen but that’s why Janish is at short today.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

Good play, Janish!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

Nice scoop by Danny too

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

Don’t let Aroidis beat you. I would say don’t let the Brewers roiders beat you but that’s half their team.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Blah blah blah Wren blah blah blah Fredi blah blah blah Uggla. Have I summed it all up?

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

Tight zone tonight. Hopefully Maholm doesn’t give in and starting serving up Meatballs.

Sopheee

September 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

Sit down, Aramis.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

Paul helping Paul there.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

Good job, Maholm! Now let’s get more runs.

Dum-Bass

September 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

Here’s bettin the Phillies pull out that second wildcard. Won again today and now riding a 7 game win streak. All the WC teams above them lost. Phils may be the Braves nemesis again this year looks like!

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

Hugo-

You forgot “blah blah blah Janish blah blah blah Prado” :)

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

Was Aramis Ramirez on roids? Didn’t know that. Never really liked the guy for some reason and not just because he hits us well. Just he has a look of arrogance.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

Phillies are like that dude Edginton on True Blood. Think he’s gone, and then he makes a comeback, annoying the living hell out of everybody.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

@chatt

He was implicated in that big list of players from 2003.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

“Brian hits a blast in the third deck here at Miller Park” is what Chip says. We know, we can see that. We know where they’re playing. I miss his dad.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

Boog never shoulda left. Hope he’s really happy where he is…

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

I don’t know about the rest of y’all but I’m really glad The A Bomb pointed out Heyward to the Braves.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

We need to plunk Gomez.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

Late slide though.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

Yeah the replay showed he went in late and agree he should be plunked. The dummy doesn’t know how to play the game, he’s shown that before when we played them. Dirty thing.

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

Boog is at ESPN at probably double or triple the pay he received in ATL, plus he gets to live in NY. I doubt he ever looked back. He is a smart kid and a terrific announcer.

Veer

September 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

WHY IS MICHAL BOURN PLAYING????
WUT THE HELL MAN!!!!

IF YOU CANT HIT THEN F****UING BUNT!!!!!
BUNT YOU FOOL

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

John Leonard

September 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

I think Bourn needs a couple days off.Looks tired and bat is slow.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

I don’t care what Boog is making. This is about Me and My needs. And I need a world class play-by-play guy because I deserve it.

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Whats up with this team taking fastballs down the middle? I mean multiple fastballs down the heart of the plate being taken each at bat. Too much guessing going on

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Michael Bourn sucks again.

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Lets look at the bright side.Man. At least we can say we lead MLB in one category…slumps.

Random

September 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan (September 12th, 2012 11:46 am): “Just
looked at stats for all LF, Willingham leads the way in RBIs with 102. And
yet he’s hitting only .261. Get him Frank!”

TheOnlyBravesFan (September 12th, 2012 11:54 am): “Alex
Gordon might likely be available as well. I’m sure the Royals will want/need
to call up Wil Myers. That might make Gordon expendable. He’s up to a
respectable .293/.362/.449/.811 line with 11 HR and 63 RBI this year. . . .
He has dropped off from his HR and RBI numbers last year (23 and 87), “

Dude, would you please stop looking at RBIs to evaluate an individual
player’s productivity? They are an unreliable and invalid gauge for that.

I suggest instead that you use Baseball Prospectus’ RBI Opportunites (OBI%)
stats — check them out here (they’re eminently sortable):

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1119832

This goes for you, too, DOB, and for anyone else who’s
listening.

Josh Willingham’s OBI% is 16.2%, which is tied for second lowest among the
the top 30 OBI producers. Indicative that he’s not so much productive as
the beneficiary of more RBI opportunities.

Compare that to Freeman’s OBI% of 17.4%, or any of the following: DWright
(17.2%), RBraun (17.5%), AMcCutchen (17.8%).

The best run producers this year have OBI%s of 20+ — JHamilton (22.8%),
AGonzalez (21.1%), MMontero (20.8%), JLucroy (20.7%), MCabrera (20.6%),
TColvin (20.6%).

Alex Gordon has an OBI% of 15.5% — compare that to Prado (15.9%), Jones
(15.8%) and Bourn (15.7%).

Other Braves’ OBI%s — Uggla (13.2%), Heyward (12.4%).

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

There really is a Logan Schafer that plays MLB CF? That is wack. I thought that name was a blog inside joke about Jordan Schafer. I guess the joke is in my hand.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Makes sense to me,Hugo

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Lets look at the bright side. At least we can say we lead MLB in one category…slumps.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Offense looking to be in its typical slumbering malaise tonight. They have already met their quote of one run.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

Another uncomfortable game for me. Just don’t see Maholm throwing more shutout innings.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

Bourn has 36 Ks since August 1, Uggla has 34… Bourn has had 30 more PAs than Uggla has.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

History will honor Janish’ willingness to sacrifice his body for the good of this team. Thanks, Paul.

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

Isn’t this just the typical Braves performance? Maholm will have to go as deep as he can without allowing a run, and the bullpen will have to be perfect. Take nothing away from Gallardo, a very good pitcher, but it’s just disgraceful that the Heyward homer is their only RBI in the series.

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

Sweet, SD beat the Cards 3-2, so that helps us and Philly

Lee in S GA

September 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

Boog is at ESPN at probably double or triple the pay he received in ATL, plus he gets to live in NY.
—————————————————
and he gets to hang around Sarah Walsh

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Our pitching staff needs to work on their fielding….Janish could prof course in off-season?

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
8:58 pm

Freeman has had trouble at first base recently.

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ

September 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

We’ve decided to take our struggles into the field.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

Lately Freddie Freeman has been playing with the agility of Freddie Gwynne.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

You bet, Hugo

Nice break there at second

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

AWFUL! SUCKS! NO TOOLS!

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

AWFUL! SUCKS! NO TOOLS!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Brava

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Nice snag, Jason!

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

6′5″….no jive

Sopheee

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Go ahead, Hey. Wow.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Nice D, Heyward

Philly Phanatic

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Guys, is it too much to ask to beat the Brewers 1 game out of 3. I say they won’t. We recently swept Washington for you not that’s gonna do any good but you beating Brews will put us by ourselves 3 out. Hearing that you may want to lose as nobody wants anything to do with the Phillies in playoffs. Howard is hitting about half his weight so if he gets hot and the way the starters are rolling they’d be favorite over everybody.

cabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Interesting…. talking about Rays game, but nice little tidbit about Huddy

Tim Kurkjian ‏@Kurkjian_ESPN
Cobb is done. The Rays pen has a 1.33 ERA in his starts this year. Only Tim Hudson and Bronson Arroyo have gotten better pen support

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

AWFUL! SUCKS! NO TOOLS!

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

We need the filthy Mets to score some runs on the Nats. Mets kid pitcher Harvey Ks 10 in 5 innings, but runs out of gas at 106 pitches an 1 R.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Defense on de-fence.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

Heyward made a nice catch. It looked like that might have been a homerun.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

Cab and VJ: Sure y’all ain’t twins? Almost the exact same post!

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

See? I knew you were the same person.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

Yeah I know, two more exclamation points. Can’t be the same person.

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

TOBF – and they were both hung up in the blogosphere for a minute – amazed they both appeared – one of us usually would get a “posting too quickly” notice…

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

I’ve always heard that women have two more exclamaion points…

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

FF!! (nice job, CJ!)…

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

Since September 1, Bourn has whiffed 11 times… Uggla just 4. Bourn has just 10 more PAs than Uggla

Veer

September 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

Schafer sure looks different. Must been all the cocaine and weed he has been on.

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

The makings of a Braves rally with no outs. Let’s score guys.

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

The dreaded 1st and 3rd with no outs……why God? Why do you do this to us?

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

Offensive explosion.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

They score a run, yet still shoot themselves in the foot.

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

Simmons has a minor ankle sprain, will be ready for Nats. Not everybody has a sleepwalking offense this month. Giants just hung a 5-spot on the Rockies in the 1st; that’s more runs than Braves have scored in their last 31 innings combined. Cards lose again, so maybe we will back into the playoffs after all.

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

All righty then at least we got another run, but geez why the hurry BMac and Uggla (3 pitches between them.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

“The wind is moving but I am standing still—A life of pages waiting to be filled…..” Uggla’s place in this World….Looking for a …….???? [Michael W. Smith].

Philly Phanatic

September 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

If I had my choice of a guy to start a team around and a non pitcher I’d take Heyward in a second. Lefty, speed, great fielder. Stanton whiffs too much and hits too many homers when the Marlins are getting killed. Need I say more. C’mon, we’ll see how clutch thay are. Never mind useless just hit into
DP. Why would you even play him. You’ve got a lineup with Prado at 2nd and me in left would beat useless.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

It won’t show up in the box score, but Uggla is becoming the unstoppable force !!!!!!!!!!

MIdtown

September 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

1st and 3rd with no out, and 4 pitches later inning over.

MIdtown

September 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

1st and 3rd with no out, and 4 pitches later inning over.

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Good start, Pauls…

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

Equilibrium of the Braves is off. You cannot bat Uggla and McCann back to back. I would have Constanza or Prado first ( Bourn on the bench) and Uggla bat 5 and McCann 8. Too predictable and inconsistent. They both killed that potential rally. What do you bloggers think?

northbeach Scott

September 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

I think Uggla is waiting for Godot

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

Nationals had bases loaded, none out in the 6th, and failed to score – bunch of bumbs…

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

It’s a different Schafer, Veer… unless you were making a joke, in which case I apologize

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

The guy is still so valuable.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Ok, I’ll go 8 mil a year for the cf, but that’s it!

Joe

September 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Great catch Bourn….

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Pirates with failed suicide squeeze. Pitch out. Nailed. Desperation setting in?

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Nice catch, bourn

Brava

September 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Great catch, Mikey!

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

white zinfandel !!!!!!!!!!

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

…..So many organs working for the same purpose—and, this?

M.V.P.Heyward

September 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

Oh, We’re very lucky for Michael not be injured.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

Thunderbird!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

Bourn will get around 13-14 mill is my guess.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

Bourn will get around 13-14 mill is my guess.

rj

September 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

Frank:
Please trade Uggla. He has been a huge failure and look what you are paying him. You move Prado to play everywhere in the infield and LF as well and he has played daily and given over 100%. Move Prado back to second and unload Uggla during the off season. And one other thing, if the Braves go to post season, do us all a favor and leave Uggla off the post season roster. Maybe he can get a personal trainer job since weight training has apparently taken the place of batting practice.

Veer

September 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

Bet you all 20 cents that Bourn strikes out here

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

“Please trade Uggla.”

Uggla gets a run across and has raised his average 8 points in the last few weeks, and this how you you do him?

Some friend.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

“Bet you all 20 cents that Bourn strikes out here”

Too rich for my blood.

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

Good thing Bourn has been working with the hitting coaches.

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

Ike Davis flies out with the bases loaded, ending the inning…

Rick C

September 12th, 2012
9:25 pm

rj, if they traded Uggla they’d still be paying the majority of his contract. It would not free up much cash and they would then need a LF and 3B instead of just one.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Don’t like Ike (baby boomer reference).

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Ike !!!!!!!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Ike Davis is a bumb…..

If you want Uggla gone so bad, then you pay his salary while he plays somewhere else. The Braves aren’t doing that.

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:27 pm

DFA time, I’m afraid…

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:27 pm

Don’t eff around?

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

“if they traded Uggla they’d still be paying the majority of his contract.”

Maybe not. I’ll always wonder if we could have just given him to Detroit at some point this year?

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

Nice job saving his own run…(dum-dum-da-dum) for now….

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

Blue Tree is getting on my nerves

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

Those wily Japanese, and their wily Japanese hitting styles…

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Brava

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Aoki the counter Bourn !

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Two balls that don’t leave the infield then a HR, WOW

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

Uh oh… Not good. Homer bug hits Maholm again. ANd Weeks stays hot. 19th HR allowed by Maholm.

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

Make that a triple sigh…..

BALLGAME!!

Bat Masterson

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

njbraves

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

Not surprised at all….Maholm is terrible.

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

the ole snowball inning. oh well what are you going to do ….

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

Makes you want a true offense, dont it? GEEZ

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

…And a Bratworst thing to happen there!

keyLargo

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

It is so hilarious that 10 games can shorten the length of a contract 4 years, cut the value of it $50 million and get a guy released instead of having his arb years bought out.

Or so some bloggers think, if you call what they do thinking. A new set of morons every week.

M.V.P.Heyward

September 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

Chipper’s defense would be an issue in post-season play.

phoenix

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Oh. So this is what a clutch-hitting 2nd baseman can do. I see.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Paul Maholm is the king of costly homeruns killing this team. Chipper Jones should fielded that ball.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Fredi get off ur @ss

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Maholm getting hit now…

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

What rhymes with chokers?

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Shocking. Who would have thought? Most players can’t hit home runs when it’s thrown right down the middle. Collapse has been re-engaged.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

Pretty deflating.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:36 pm

Damn, Chipper….

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
9:36 pm

2011—version 2.0.

Joe

September 12th, 2012
9:36 pm

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Maholm reminds me of Livan. Sit back and crush off speed.

I wonder if Chipper will call out Chipper?

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Best defensive team in the leagu, huh?

Don’t let the fielding percentage fool you. This team is FAR from the best defensive team in the league.

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

What rhymes with N8? Hate.

phoenix

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Another Maholm BP Home Run Derby, Chipper old-man at 3B night.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Shoulda pulled Maholm after the HR…. he’s getting hit! Geez, only now are guys getting warmed up in the ‘pen.

RBI

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Welcome back-September Atlanta Braves.
I give up. Goodnight all.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

This team is playin ugly right now.

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Yup. This team can play defense alright.

Blow it up Frank. This team can’t hit. Can’t pitch in the clutch and the manager is a baffoon.

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Dont think the Phillies arent watching this game with interest…they know they will be within eight games after this loss

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Do we need to start thinking about the Phillies AND the Brewers passing us. They might as well; the Braves are not playoff-worthy at this point.

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

top two guys in the brewers order are getting on base and knocking in runs, the braves top 2 are not … that’s why the brewers are now in a good spot to finish the sweep

M.V.P.Heyward

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

If Your team gave 5 outs in an inning, Thing can get ugly pretty fast.

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

At least the Nats are coming to town….lol

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Chipper showing his age in the field tonight….

Can’t knock the guy though.

Meanwhile, I guess Malawful is taking one for the team.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Well, at least the Cardinals lost. Hopefully the Dodgers will lose again too.

T-Dawg

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

They just don’t deserve a playoff spot.

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

“Don’t let the fielding percentage fool you. This team is FAR from the best defensive team in the league.”

That’s about like saying we have the 4th best offense because we’ve scored the 4th most runs….not even close to the 4th best offense….

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

Yet another monster inning for the Brewers against the Braves.

One Big Dummy

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

Why is he still in the game?

tony austin

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

So that’s what a hit with a runner in scoring position looks like.

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

And three games to play IN PHILLY next weekend….ouch

Bama Braves

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Time to Hang Em up Chipper! cost us 2 runs!

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Sheets? Y not??

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Sheets? Y not??

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

And the only out was on the pitcher sacrificing. Pathetic.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Brewers are a dangerous team.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

It’s gonna take a Chipper miracle !!!!!!!!!!!!

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

Can’t they replace Chipper at 3rd with Prado? His defense has become a liability and this game is too tight right now. He has only been hitting singles of late. We need a strategist as manager not a fearful manager :(

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Braves may make WC, but we are one and done

Brava

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Fredi needs to take him out now!

Chipper's Farewell Defense Tour

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Chipper not being capable of playing decent defense is evident virtually every game now. Seems like he’s making at least one play a night where he boots the ball. Some are called errors. Some are generously not scored errors. I suppose that is in defference to the future hall of famer.

Chipper should speak to reporters tonight and tell them how HE contributed to this loss instead of insinuating someone else isn’t producing. He’ll probably blame it on Janish like he did when he dropped a pop up a couple of weeks ago.

JoeWhat a joke!Damn

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Enter your comments here

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

No worries….

Playoff tickets now on sale!!

Kris

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

This team is a joke.

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Maholm is Denny Neagle without the lame ass train whistle.

GaryinBham

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Ryan Braun. Better living through chemistry.

One Big Dummy

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

This is on Fredi. Why didn’t he pull Maholm out sooner? At least TRY to keep it close!!!

phoenix

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Let’s not forget, Maholm is basically a Cub. Cubs don’t play post season baseball.

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

Thought the Braves were past the September swoon thing. Obviously not.

I mean, we’re playing Milwaukee for Christ’s sake–a sub-.500 team entering this series. They didn’t even bother to wait til the 7th inning to blow us out tonight. What a crock.

ATL’s pro teams are simply incapable of taking that “next step” toward a championship. After nearly a half-century of this incompetence (excepting ‘95 Braves), you truly have to wonder if it will ever happen.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

I just don’t know here….have no clue what Fredi is processing.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

This just happens way too often.

HEADLINE: Manager grows nuts, sees them fall off

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

hold em at 7!!! that way you’ll only lose by 5 ….

Brava

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Please fire freaking Fredi. He has no clue when to take a pitcher out.

Kat

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

This game went downhill fast.

njbraves

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Maholm sucks and clueless Fredi should be fired. It was obvious that Maholm had nothing left, but dumb Fredi waits until the game is totally out of hand before he pulls him. The guy is an awful manager.

tony austin

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Fredi has to be the dumbest manager in the western hemisphere.

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Does someone care to remind me as to why there were not changes to a team that blew a huge lead and collapsed last season????

JipWiz

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Is it me or did the Bravesvjust become the Cubs?

M.V.P.Heyward

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Fredi G. is always one step late.

Why did he leave Maholm in there?

GaryinBham

September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Maybe we need to trade for Braun and try to improve the chemistry of the team. Or maybe just get some from his chemist

ncbravesfan90

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

It must be nice to have a legit offense….

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Hate a strong word but I hate Fredi Gonzalez managing skillz

Paul Maholm

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Thanks Chipper

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Too late Fredi, too late. Dang.

Hold ‘em here CMart, drop your .285 oppo. batting average. We need to win this one.

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

What a Joke for a team…Fredi & Roger don’t have a clue when to change a pitcher.This team is getting funny.

SOS Braves

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Fredi you moron. Do u have money on the brewers. U idiot

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Jasons Shrinking Waist
September 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

And three games to play IN PHILLY next weekend….ouch

*********
that’s three more near certain losses, much like the three to come with the nats.

We’re quickly getting in trouble. Sad.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

The Brewers have taken advantage of every mistake the Braves have made in this series and unfortunately, the Braves have made plenty lf mistakes. Wow. This is terrible.

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Hey the bright side is I dont have ro stay up late on worknite tonite, lol

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

Fredi Gonzalez must go. It’s that simple. Trade Maholm and his worthless ass.

Actually at this point, I’d like to have Denny Neagle back. Gave up Vizcaino for this, huh?

I’m telling you. If the Braves choke this off, Fredi’s job is not safe. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if Wren’s job is not safe.

Lovely defense by the HOF 3B. Wonder who he’ll call out tonight? Well done Chipper.

jo

September 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

Every night fg leaves pitchers in too long and this is the result: meltdown III
as I said 2 weeks ago. Its done, we just to have to wait until the last week of the season to be out of the playoffs.

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

Boo again for horrible play. Love the team but hate the September play. Team needs real leader and a good asskicking. Are the Nats coming next? Ugh!

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

Ok Fredi….let’s go with….”The Beer Polka,” wiff Mitch Miller…..feel free to ’sing-along!’

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

Have they done that thing were they show a shell shocked Maholm futzing with a towel on the bench?

Kris

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

All those people that were so excited about the Paul Maholm signing are now wondering what happened.

We traded for an over 30, soft tossing pitcher with a career ERA well north of 4.00…and I ask you, what exactly were you expecting? Surely you weren’t thinking that the hot streak he was on was anything other than just that…a hot streak. Welcome to reality and the real Paul Maholm.

old man

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Bring me up to date. Exactly why is Simmons not playing tonight?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Even the pitcher hits…. CMart blows again. Told y’all he’s not that good.

monarch

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Gonzales has to go, get a coach that understands how to handle a pitching staff……..

M.V.P.Heyward

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Infield defense is very worrisome.
Dan Uggla & Chipper among the worst. FF has been shaky.

Sparks

September 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

This is simply pathetic…

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

If Wren has any balls, he’d fire Fredi TONIGHT! Show this sorry sack of losers that losing is NOT acceptable two Septembers in a row.

Do it Wren. Might be what you need to save your own ass.

jo

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

Nice relieve …

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

Off goes the game, on comes the porn….lol

Kat

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

“Maybe we need to trade for Braun and try to improve the chemistry of the team.”

He’s signed to a great contract for the Brewers.

“Or maybe just get some from his chemist.”

He had herpes. After this year’s MVP, the ‘roid jokes should be even less funny. He’s just a LF the Braves could only dream about.

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

how many arms in the pen do we have plus a day off tomorrow…

and paul faces 9 batters with the only out a sacrafice?

friggin earhole somebody fercrhissakes…

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

old man, Simmons hurt his ankle last night.

Check You Later

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Championship teams don’t get embarrassed and swept late in the season.

Of course, this is not a championship team.

Not wasting any more time tonight watching this fiasco.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

C. Martinez…good call; we’ve been down this very same road before….and, regretfully, we step in the same deep mudhole everytime.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

The Braves should have traded some of their pitching for major league hitters while other teams thought Braves pitching was worth a damn. You know, before the season started.

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

JipWiz
September 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Is it me or did the Bravesvjust become the Cubs?
_____________________

It’s you. Except for ‘95, they’ve always been the Cubs.

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Wasting my time with this game, is there any football on?

Ric Flair to Right

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Quite possible the worst bullpen management I’ve ever seen!

DOB would it be to much toask for you to not throw softballs at FG tonight and ask WTF HE IS DOING!!!!!!!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Bring me up to date. Exactly why is Simmons not playing tonight?

Heard that he has an ankle sprain.

Great work, Cmart. Great work. Keep raising your oppo. OBP against ya. :roll:

old man

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

By the way, nice to see Uggla sporting that .364 average over the last 10 days. How does he look tonight?

Take my word, he is soon going to settle back in to his .200 and below routine. Soon, as in tonight.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Those of you who say managers have little effect are full of crap. Really full of it.

Lil' Barry Bailout (Unexpectedly Revised Downward)

September 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Can anybody throw strikes? Pathetic.

sid

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

with a couple of exceptions this team needs to be cleansed…..so much dead weight.

sg10

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

It seems the Braves are anti-Philly come September? It is sad to watch sitting here in a Philly nation.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

“Let’s not forget, Maholm is basically a Cub. Cubs don’t play post season baseball.”

Except that one year they played the Braves and…

Same for the Astros, and Giants, and…

Argh, the aughts !!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

Maholm 4.1 inning, 6 ER. Dayum. His ERA is gonna take a hit. Was already at 3.48 since joining the Braves, and he’s already had a stinker!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

CSB- Classic September Braves!!!

perk

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

last 2 nites – fredi left the starter in too long. blowing it again

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

6 game lead gone by end of next week? Could it be?

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

To: Chip Caray……Memo…….Lauding the opponents doesn’t make our poop smell better!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

Yep, Maholm shoulda been pulled much sooner. He was obviously fighting it with every pitch. He got rattled. Fredi gives the vets way too much credit just because they’re vets. Very silly.

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

Bourn must be thinking “well at least the fans can take it out on somebody else for a while.”

Chas

September 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

Junk Ball / Gopher ball Paul Maholm + E5 HOF + Fredi managing = Brewers Sweep.
Bourne continues to suck, suck, suck at the plate.
Game, Set, Match THANK YOU PAUL MAHOLM. As usual, Fredi G. is right on top of things!
FREDI will have him pitching great, in the quotes tomorrow.
Paul Maholm joins the CHOKERS that are your 2012 Atlanta Braves…The same Losers of the EPIC CHOKE of 2011.

Thank you Braves. Keep pissing down your leg! Losers to a man, and from the top down. A 8 run inning…
What a pukin’, pathetic joke.

monarch

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

Braves have enough players to get into the playoffs, but we don’t have a COACH

Maholm Bomb of The Night

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

You knew it was coming! If he’s in your rotation, it’s gonna happen! Boom! There goes another gopher ball!

Maholm Bomb of The Night

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

You knew it was coming! If he’s in your rotation, it’s gonna happen! Boom! There goes another gopher ball!

Maholm Bomb of The Night

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

You knew it was coming! If he’s in your rotation, it’s gonna happen! Boom! There goes another gopher ball!

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

lets go offense…

Maholm Bomb of The Night

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

You knew it was coming! If he’s in your rotation, it’s gonna happen! Boom! There goes another gopher ball!

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

gcs

September 12th, 2012
9:52 pm

So, what do you all think of the Paul Maholm trade now?
I said it was a bad trade then and I am proved more right with each lame start he makes.
Remember the name Arodys Vizcaino. That is what the Braves gave up for this dead arm.

BravesFanSince80s

September 12th, 2012
9:52 pm

@the A bomb: well said. I don’t really see how any of you pro-Fredi guys CAN defend him now at this point…

N8

September 12th, 2012
9:52 pm

My Chiefs got their asses handed to them at home by a very good Falcons team. Definitely an embarrassing home/season opener.

But they had 4 defensive starters out. 2 of them prow-bowl players.

This Braves team makes me proud to be a Chiefs fan. The Chiefs are less embarrassing…. and they have the worst record in the AFC since 2007.

Fredi Gonzalez’s team management skills makes Romeo Crennel look like a genius.

Carroll Rogers

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

Line on Maholm: 4 1/3 innings, nine hits, eight runs (six earned), two walks, two Ks, one home run. 86 pitches (54 strikes)

LPPNYC

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

This is plain embarrassing.

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

Have u noticed everytime the braves went on a tear this year and won six or seven in a eow they immediatly turn around and lose six in arow..lits incredible.

If they come out friday night and Meds gets shelled…its a sure sign that this ship is sinking faster than the Titanic

I mean, im just sayin…..

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

N8
September 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

If Wren has any balls, he’d fire Fredi TONIGHT! Show this sorry sack of losers that losing is NOT acceptable two Septembers in a row.
___________________

Remember, you’re talking about Losersville here, where losing not only is acceptable two Septembers in a row, but also in 154 of 155 seasons of pro sports competition over nearly half a century.

You should never underestimate just how truly acceptable losing is in this city.

njbraves

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

Eight effing runs…give me a break. This team and this manager are a joke.

GoNatsGo

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

OUCH. And to add insult to injury, the Nats are up 2-0 in the 8th.

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

We do have three hits.

We’ll build on that and get em friday.

Philly Phanatic

September 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

Can I ask you guys something. who is your ace? Right now we have 4 of them. Yes, Kendrick would out pitch any Brave right now. 6-2. Wow. Don’t let last year get too far from your memory. the way the Phil’s are playing and the Brewers the 1 game playoff may be in Philly. Don’t laugh. A year ago if I said the Braves will not make WC you.’d have laughed. in ‘07 the Rockies went 15-1 to end the season. Why can’t the Braves go 1-15. If anybody can do it it’s the historically choking Braves. 7-2 now. You may as well turn off the sets. They have a better chance of beating Phil’s in a one gamer than winning this guy. I asked for one thing please beat the Brewers when it was 2-0. Somebody give me 100-1 that the Phils catch the Braves. Look what happened last year, the Braves went 10-21 in Sept. I can see them so snakebite now that that Atlanta Braves crysong ‘choke’ is in their head. If that were to happen and I were a Braves fan it wouldn’t last long. They phuckig suck.

bitman

September 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

It must be September. I hear a choking sound.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Paul Maholm’s line: 4.1 IP, 9 H, 8 R (6 ER), 2 BB, 2 K, 1 HR, 86 pitches (54 for strikes). #Braves

Yeesh. Thank goodness for some calculus homework, gives me something to do. This game isn’t helping my mood, unfortunately.

http://t.co/Tr0g7rYf Funny pic

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

I’ll save you all the trouble reading tonight’s Braves quotes: “Things just didn’t go our way.”

hick

September 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

P— on fire and call the dogs. The hunt’s over.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

@Bronke…..Re: 9:48 post;

Yeah, I think the Bronkeoooooos are on!

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

Strasburg is prolly, like, eh, maybe they don’t need me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

we bat like we got lead in our pants

The Broom

September 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

Someone looking for me?

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

Is it still the SI jinx if you only write a back page article?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

Yep, Maholm shoulda been pulled much sooner. He was obviously fighting it with every pitch. He got rattled. Fredi gives the vets way too much credit just because they’re vets. Very silly

I wouldn’t say it’s silly, but yes your post is pretty accurate.

Dang you Ishikawa.

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

phil
September 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

6 game lead gone by end of next week? Could it be?
______________________

Absodamnlutely! You don’t have to look any further back than a year ago to see that’s it’s not only possible, but likely.

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

Dum-Bass

September 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

All you guys who were saying what you did last week about the Braves having a lot of games left with sub .500 teams, got the guts to repeat it? You know who you are so let’s discuss it again.

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

SAME TEAM AS LAST SEASON!

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

Got to respect how Chipper runs out those groundballs though.

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

CORRECTION: SAME OFFENSE AS LAST SEASON MINUS GONZO!

Venice Jim

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

9 years ago today we lost the namesake of the blog…RIP MIB…

njbraves

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

Christian Martinez is just awful too. Every time this guy comes in he gives up runs… Every damn time.

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

THE COLLAPSE HAS ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.

Biff Pocoroba

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

Gotta tip your hat to the Brewer, Phillies, and other teams that are peaking in September while Fredi leads this bunch of washed up quitters to their annual predictable collapse. I feel sorry for people who bought playoff tickets today since Ticketmaster won’t refund the service charge when Fredi finishes destroying this team with his idiocity. It is time to trade Heyward while he still has trade value and try and build for the future before the rest of these clowns rub off on him and he starts loafing on every play like the rest of these cheap Wren bums.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

zinfandel and jager/gin shots !!!!!!!!!!!!

phil

September 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

But I thought we had a 99 percent chance of making it in? We probably will just thx to the ineptitude of our closest pursuers, assuming the brew crew or phillies don’t overhaul em by next week.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

You know who you are so let’s discuss it again.

:roll: We’ll still get the WC. Not gonna collapse. Just had a bad series. Afraid our division hopes might be crushed though…

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

haha, we’ll be so lucky to make the playoffs. flat out pathetic effort. we can’t even win 1 game out of the 3 vs the under 500 brewers…. how are we gonna win a 1 gm playoff vs a good team?? lol this is a joke..

Rico

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

Manager lost control of this game. Should have pulled the pitcher after the fourth run.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

Nats Beat Writer…

Amanda Comak ‏@acomak
Sheesh. Look up an inning ago and the #Braves are up 2-0 on the #Brewers. A few minutes later it’s 7-2 Milwaukee.

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

“4 1/3 innings, nine hits, eight runs”

so 13 earned in his last 11 and 2/3 innings pitched, meh .. could be worse

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
9:59 pm

The Brewers strike for 8 runs in an inning while the Braves struggle to score 8 runs in a month.

Kris

September 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

Maholm is a bum and always has been a bum. If Sheets feels ok – replace Maholm’s spot in the rotation with Sheets, hell replace Maholm’s spot in the rotation with Delgado or Teheran!

Veer

September 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

This loss is on Chipper. Makes error then next play dives for ball but cant even bother throwing and then can’t throw our Rameriez. Instead of being so consumed with Twitter he should sit on focus on his defense. I would take Fransico and his 0-4 with 4k’s over this type of pathetic Jones performance.

banned poster

September 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

Well I think there have been enough starts now by Maholm for me to come out and crow a bit about how I was right and that he would revert back to his historical form just when the Braves needed him the most. He has been terrible and Wren should lose his job for not wrapping up a trade for Greinke or trying again to get Dempster. Anything less than a first round series win should have Fredi and Wren looking for work elsewhere in 2013. Chipper, I feel for ya man because you deserved so much more than this incompetence of management during your farewell tour.

phil

September 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

And on this losing night, sleep well those who bother…..

See ya.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

Is anybody REALLY surprised? Maholm’s numbers vs Milwaukee’s were downright brutal. This game was a loss before they even took the field.

And now, they get to go home and lose AT LEAST 2 of 3 to the Nats.

Yep, racing towards that finish line, aren’t we, boys?

This team will be lucky to exceed last year’s 89 wins at this point.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

Who cares if the Braves collapse again? Life will go on for everybody. LOL! You really think the players will sulk over it for very long? Life is busy, busy.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:02 pm

The nice thing about last year’s collapse? How relaxing the postseason was.

This year, we have to endure a 1 game playoff, and help our soul should we win that…

And then Fredi lives for another year and we perfect our Cubs strategy.

They spent their load on Soriano, we have Uggs.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:02 pm

Gonzalez finally grew some last week, and you saw the result. But for some reason he has gone back to his godson Uggla with all the love and support a .215 hitter needs to feel warm and fuzzy.

6 good weeks over 2 seasons $13 million. Love and support. What a joke.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:02 pm

Christian Martinez is just awful too. Every time this guy comes in he gives up runs… Every damn time.

Not every time, but he’s had 50 appearances, pitching 70 innings. Allowed 33 runs. That’s about every other appearance. Hence he’s a long reliever.

Kris

September 12th, 2012
10:03 pm

Can’t wait to face the Nats this weekend, because we all know that we own the Nats. 6 game losing streak coming right up.

MDBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

Ok, so we are down to one pitcher that we can count on. Not sure this will be enough to back slide into the playoffs. Pitiful. Yes, I’ll remember Vizcaino. Seems a bag of balls and some bats to the Cubs would’ve been too much.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

I have never seen somebody mess with their eyes as much as McCann.

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

C T B-
You are right while me and you are working during the winter these poor boys will be home counting there money.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Furman Bitcher

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

Last time I checked the Phillies only have 1 ring to show for their little run so when they are sitting at home this yr watching the Braves in the playoffs they can wonder what happened with their bloated payroll. They are the chokers.

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

SINCE 1991 THIS TEAM HAS WON ONE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE COMMEN THREAD IS TO STOCK UP WITH PITCHING, PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING AND SOME 20 YEARS LATER, THIS ORGANIZATION IS STILL IN THE TANK CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY FREAKIN IDEA OF HOW TO BUILD A WINNING TEAM CAUSE THIER IDEA IS TO OUT PITCH EVERYBODY ELSE!

AND ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE FINDING WAYS IN SEPTEMBER TO COUGH IT UP. THIS TEAM WILL BE SITTING AT HOME AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER!

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

SINCE 1991 THIS TEAM HAS WON ONE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE COMMEN THREAD IS TO STOCK UP WITH PITCHING, PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING AND SOME 20 YEARS LATER, THIS ORGANIZATION IS STILL IN THE TANK CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY FREAKIN IDEA OF HOW TO BUILD A WINNING TEAM CAUSE THIER IDEA IS TO OUT PITCH EVERYBODY ELSE!

AND ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE FINDING WAYS IN SEPTEMBER TO COUGH IT UP. THIS TEAM WILL BE SITTING AT HOME AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER!

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

Bmac with an eye issue…

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

SINCE 1991 THIS TEAM HAS WON ONE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE COMMEN THREAD IS TO STOCK UP WITH PITCHING, PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING AND SOME 20 YEARS LATER, THIS ORGANIZATION IS STILL IN THE TANK CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY FREAKIN IDEA OF HOW TO BUILD A WINNING TEAM CAUSE THIER IDEA IS TO OUT PITCH EVERYBODY ELSE!

AND ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE FINDING WAYS IN SEPTEMBER TO COUGH IT UP. THIS TEAM WILL BE SITTING AT HOME AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER!

NORRIS CHUCK

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

SINCE 1991 THIS TEAM HAS WON ONE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE COMMEN THREAD IS TO STOCK UP WITH PITCHING, PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING AND SOME 20 YEARS LATER, THIS ORGANIZATION IS STILL IN THE TANK CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY FREAKIN IDEA OF HOW TO BUILD A WINNING TEAM CAUSE THIER IDEA IS TO OUT PITCH EVERYBODY ELSE!

AND ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE FINDING WAYS IN SEPTEMBER TO COUGH IT UP. THIS TEAM WILL BE SITTING AT HOME AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER!

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

Vabravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

i think maholms option doesnt look so good now. anyway this team obviously isnt gonna get the job done and is gonna fail and choke again.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:05 pm

I love how people are talking about the one-game playoff like it’s a foregone conclusion. Last I checked, the Braves have not clinched anything. And also last time I checked, these are the same Braves that coughed up the wild card last year.

tmc

September 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

something i haven’t seen with the Braves team for many years is a REFUSE TO LOSE attitude… and resilience. (not 1 game, but every game)

It is the reason this team is so soft, so fragile and can not win consistently.

Both have been missing for the last several years.
And is the MAIN reason this team has not reached it’s expectations.

tmc

September 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

something i haven’t seen with the Braves team for many years is a REFUSE TO LOSE attitude… and resilience. (not 1 game, but every game)

It is the reason this team is so soft, so fragile and can not win consistently.

Both have been missing for the last several years.
And is the MAIN reason this team has not reached it’s expectations.

Veer

September 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

Why pitching change down by 6 runs with one out to go?
wut the hell?

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

When Vizcaino is making his hall of fame speech, I’m going to remind all of you stupid bastards what an awful deal this was!

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

Should I have typed that in all caps for special emphasis?

josey wales

September 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

Does anyone besides me ever wonder why the Braves called up all those extra pitchers?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

Wow, I get Vabraves! LOL

Veer: Your comment about Chipper is just… sigh

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

Capt Mudd.

That was good. Let’s hope we have something to cheer about down the road!

banned poster

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

Hugo, I agree with you. Viz was so much more valuable than the bum we got in return. I said the night we got Maholm as did others. One other poster called this a terrible trade and was ridiculed for it.

birdo

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

Please, Chipper call it now. Retire now. You are hurting the team.

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

“Not gonna collapse. Just had a bad series”

after all that stuff they said after last year, there’s absolutely no way they let it happen again. The Cardinals are screwed though

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

At least the crack team at Cox media can get an early start on fixing this website for next season.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

“Let’s hope we have something to cheer about down the road!”

The season will be over soon. That’s got to be a positive, right?

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

At least the crack team at Cox media can get an early start on fixing this website for next season.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

At least the crack team at Cox media can get an early start on fixing this website for next season.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

At least the crack team at Cox media can get an early start on fixing this website for next season.

Furman Bitcher

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play. They play Miami for 6 and the Mets for 3. Should be 7 wins right there. Game over. please they will play the Phils and they will choke out agame or two just like last week against us.

Furman Bitcher

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play. They play Miami for 6 and the Mets for 3. Should be 7 wins right there. Game over. please they will play the Phils and they will choke out agame or two just like last week against us.

Furman Bitcher

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play. They play Miami for 6 and the Mets for 3. Should be 7 wins right there. Game over. please they will play the Phils and they will choke out agame or two just like last week against us.

Cali Brave fan

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

im concerned about the playoffs for the first time all year. They’re choking hard maybe they should fire fredi it can’t hurt at this point. And the argument that its just a bad series is like whistling in the grave yard, it just doesn’t work anymore. after that last brutal stretch the 4 game win streak should have got us going. this team is a contender for a championship on paper but the game isn’t played on paper, get going guys are you can play for the cups next year and lose !!!

Cali Brave fan

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

im concerned about the playoffs for the first time all year. They’re choking hard maybe they should fire fredi it can’t hurt at this point. And the argument that its just a bad series is like whistling in the grave yard, it just doesn’t work anymore. after that last brutal stretch the 4 game win streak should have got us going. this team is a contender for a championship on paper but the game isn’t played on paper, get going guys are you can play for the cups next year and lose !!!

Furman Bitcher

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play. They play Miami for 6 and the Mets for 3. Should be 7 wins right there. Game over. please they will play the Phils and they will choke out agame or two just like last week against us.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

Boy — everyone’s REALLY making their points tonight.

Boy — everyone’s REALLY making their points tonight.

Boy — everyone’s REALLY making their points tonight.

Boy — everyone’s REALLY making their points tonight.

Boy — everyone’s REALLY making their points tonight.

Cali Brave fan

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

im concerned about the playoffs for the first time all year. They’re choking hard maybe they should fire fredi it can’t hurt at this point. And the argument that its just a bad series is like whistling in the grave yard, it just doesn’t work anymore. after that last brutal stretch the 4 game win streak should have got us going. this team is a contender for a championship on paper but the game isn’t played on paper, get going guys are you can play for the cups next year and lose !!!

Cali Brave fan

September 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

im concerned about the playoffs for the first time all year. They’re choking hard maybe they should fire fredi it can’t hurt at this point. And the argument that its just a bad series is like whistling in the grave yard, it just doesn’t work anymore. after that last brutal stretch the 4 game win streak should have got us going. this team is a contender for a championship on paper but the game isn’t played on paper, get going guys are you can play for the cups next year and lose !!!

VaBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

Wow, I only hit enter 1 time and it froze up lol. That was crazy for it to post it 100 times lol

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

Dodgers lead Arizona 2-1.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

The Maholm trade wasn’t terrible… he had a 3.03 ERA if you took out his 1st 2 starts. Also, he got JJ out of our rotation. That was enough reason to make the trade!

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

quick hook on c-mart there geeze

Hugo Z Hackenbush

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

Either I’m drunk or this blog is seriously fouled up. Or both.

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

the best thing for this weekend is Medlin pitching.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:14 pm

Looks like a few of you are trying to be number one on that poster frequency list. :)

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:16 pm

Braves 4-9 in Sept 2011….. 7-5 in Sept 2012 thru first 12 games.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:16 pm

AJC servers must be messed up again. Lots and lots of multi-posts.

Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play.

Co-sign!!!

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:17 pm

@Vabravesfan….The guy {Maholm} throws the dying quail outside pitch or his other…which was featured tonight….the 83 MPH heater…about belt high; no added value anywhere…hope you can relax, one would think the ‘mediocre’ have found their home in Atlanta….sad!

SUBMIT COMMENT

September 12th, 2012
10:17 pm

HEEELLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPP!

I’m being assaulted!

Cali Brave fan

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

ok maybe they will hang on but do you seriously think they have the cajone’s to actually win a 1 game pressure packed playoff game come on gang get real . All i can say is 1 last thing go Falcons.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

Uggla is a virus. He’s an infection.

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

vabravesfan-
the blog liked what you had to say i guess.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

Uggla….”I am back!”

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

bad night for Uggla’s return tour to take a break

VaBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

Guess its pretty obvious that we don’t have the right group of guys. Just like last season they will choke in September. Getting swept by the Brewers is flat out unacceptable at this oint in the season.

Well atleast change coming, no more Chipper, Bourn will be gone. Has to make you think twice about giving McCann that 12 million next season. Possibly even Hudson. Cause if our rosters from the last season and this isn’t good enough to get the job done, we surely don’t have a shot next season.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

“Braves will be in the WC game they are still 5.5 games up with 18 to play.”

And this is supposed to be a GOOD thing? You have seen them play of late, haven’t you?

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

Maybe the Brewer pitchers should pitch the Brave hitters underhanded. Than it might be a fair game!

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

Uggla !!!! Like a coiled spring !!!!! On zinfandel!!!!! And spinach !!!!!!!

the truth...

September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

I can’t watch any more of this….so flipped the channel to Fox and saw the reports of the coward terrorists that killed our ambassador in Libya…..and on the anniversary of 9-11 two of our embassies there are attacked and four killed. They fired RPG’s into the one embassy….

I’m an old Jarhead guys and my stomach is turned that we watch this crap and do nothing…..

Think about it folks….tonight in Milwaukee IS REALLY JUST A BALLGAME…..

So let’s save our indignation for the things that really matter….like giving those slime bags billions while they kill our soldiers and ambassadors….

Hope we play in October….but we need to remember that while baseball is played here, that over there our boys are playing hardball…………and dying daily for it….

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

calibraves: I think we can… we still have Medlen and our hitters can get hot at some point.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:20 pm

At this point last year the Braves were 4.5 games up on the Cardinals for the Wild Card.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

@Vabravesfan….”I only hit it one time.’

Many Braves have uttered that phrase the past few weeks.

Tired of excuses!

September 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

This team doesn’t deserve to make the post season. They will be eliminated very quickly playing this way.

Mitchell

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

I don’t suppose we might score a few runs before it’s over, make it a little less cartoonish.

Surely Dan Uggla has another late solo home run in him.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

If we were the Nats I wouldn’t be too woried about being 6 runs down in the 7th because I would believe they could come back but this is the Braves, gonna go now and watcj Gretta.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

the truth…
THat’s been on my mind all day, but I can’t exactly express my feelings on the matter, nor how it’s been handled by our Commander-in-Chief, or I’d be banned from here for life.

VaBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

Well atleast I get o watch the Braves play the Nats on TV, get to watch them whip up on us, wonder how many unearned runs we can manage vs them.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

37,000 at Miller Park on a weeknight.

On a school night? What?

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

wow on the quality PA’s by our veterans in the last 2 innings…

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Agree “the truth”..That was a act of war. Whats the Pres going to do? nothing.

N8

September 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

“we still have Medlen and our hitters can get hot at some point.”

Kris Medlen is one of only four reasons to watch this club right now.

Heyward, Kimbrel and Minor being the other three.

The Braves hitters couldn’t get hot in boiling water. So don’t kid yourself.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

At this point last year the Braves were 4.5 games up on the Cardinals for the Wild Card.

And had no pitching and the ‘pen was on fumes. Also, there wasn’t a 2nd wild card. The Cards and Dodgers are slipping, and no way are the Phillies catching us. The WC play-in game will be played in ATL.

farmer

September 12th, 2012
10:24 pm

another choke happening in September.. I cannot nor will not watch this pathetic team blow another wild card lead 2 years in a row.. it is awful.. gonna happen again.. FIRE FREDI NOW!

No hope for Braves

September 12th, 2012
10:24 pm

“Manager lost control of this game”. Manager has not had control all year. He is a pathetic excuse for a manager, but I guess he accepted the money that was offered. We can’t get a decent manager or players because liberty doesn’t give a damn. We are dead in the water. Go Reds!

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

the truth-

You told ( the truth )

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:26 pm

Yeah, VAbravesfan, but I’d almost rather hear Chip and Joe than Bob Carpenter and F.P. Santangelo calling games.

Mitchell

September 12th, 2012
10:26 pm

The Nationals once again undettered by the day of the week, quality of opposing team, which arm the opposing pitcher prefers to throw with.

If only it were that easy.

Hey, the Brewers are hot. What’you expect, the Braves to win a game?

Get real, daddio.

Veer

September 12th, 2012
10:26 pm

Medlen starts 3 more games atleast so we will win 3 games for sure that puts us as 84 wins. Got to win 1 or 2 more games from here on out to make to wildcard

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

TBbravesfan….
I agree.. with the truth.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

“The WC play-in game will be played in ATL.”

And the visiting team will move on to play in the NLDS. It’s the Braves Way.

Jake Lamotta's gut

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

When this team falters, they really go off a cliff.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

Thanks@Bronke…and I still have hope for them; and will cheer ‘em as they allow to the very end.

VaBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

Well this offseason Wren really has a chance make alot of changes and the 1st change should be replacing Fredi. I’d like to see Eddie Perez get a shot.

N8

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

“And had no pitching and the ‘pen was on fumes”

Right now we have Medlen and Minor who can’t buy a win because of no run support.

Which is also what deems our rested bullpen worthless. Hard to utilize one of our strengths (backend of the bullpen), when you never have a lead to protect.

Besides, you’re forgetting the most important similarity:

Fredi Gonzalez.

Mark it down. This team will NOT make the playoffs.Probably will finish 2-3 games off the pace.

Chas

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

An Uggla / Overbay inning…any guesses how that’s gonna go? And hey, the Nats are in for the next three games. That will be six losses in a row. The Fish will probably give the Braves 1 out of three; then the Phils will sweep the Altanta Chokers. By then, EPIC CHOKE # 2, should be almost completed. That’s the makeup of the 2012 Braves. At least Fredi will be fired, and out of Atlanta. The season win’t be a total loss.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

Play better than .500 at home, go .500 on the road. We just had a .500 road trip. (if the score holds)

Busch Leaguer

September 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

Hope the Nationals bring some fans with them ,or the TED will be like a morgue this weekend.Of course the Braves have been playing the Brewers like they belong in one.Could it be Deja Vu all over again,I know Tito Francona has been making jokes ,during the Yanks Red Sox game about how a team could never blow a 9 game lead with 20 to play.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

DOWN ON THE FARM

LYNCHBURG

HILLCATS take the Championship of the CAROLINA League tonight in dramatic fashion 5-4 in the bottom of the 11th on a sac fly with the bases loaded by ADAM MILLIGAN.

RHSP AARON NORTHCRAFT [2.16 ERA] 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 HR, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO, 1 E [1, pick-off].

RHRP IAN MARSHALL [6.75 ERA] 0.1 IP, 1 H, 1 R/ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.

LHRP MATT CHAFFEE [6.75 ERA] 0.2 IP, no-hits, 1 BB, 1 SO.

RHS/RP RYAN WEBER [4.00 ERA] 1.0 IP, pristine,1 SO.

RHRP JOHN CORNELY [W 2-0, 1.42 ERA] 3.0 IP, no-hits, 2 BB, 7 SO.

Outstanding in the extras.

Lead-off DAN BREWER [.292 BA] 0-3, 2 R, 2 BB, 1 SO.

SS NICK AHMED [.357 BA] 4=5, 1 R, 3 2B [5], 1 RBI [3].

2B TOMMY LaSTELLA [.182 BA] 0-4, 1 RBI [7], 1 BB.

1B CHRIS GARCIA [.174 BA] 0-4, 1 BB, 1 E [2, missed catch].

3B ED SALCEDO [.211 BA] 1-5, 1 R, 1 2B [3], 1 SO, 1 E [2, throwing[.

DH MIKE SPINA [.250 BA] 1-4, 1 2B [1], 2 SO.

PH/DH MATT WEAVER [.500 BA] 1-1, 1 R {winning run}.

C BRAEDEN SCHLEHUBER [.217 BA] 0-4, 1 SO, 1 SAC {11th inning}.

CF MYCAL JONES [.192 BA] 1-4, 1 BB, 2 SO.

RF DAVID ROHM [.125 BA] 0-2, 1 SO.

PH/RF ADAM MILLIGAN [.190 BA] 0-2, 1 SF {winning RBI}.

*** ALL STATS BASED UPON SEVEN GAMES

And that’s a wrap from DOWN ON THE FARM for the 2012 season. See you soon in fall-winter league games.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

Venters is simply ‘venting.’

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

A one game play-off is a joke.
One game and go home!

Who Me?

September 12th, 2012
10:31 pm

No pitching + No offense = No game. Maholm is cooked, pack him up and get him outta here. They all look like they just don’t want to be out there going through this again.

Must be September baseball in Atlanta.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:31 pm

Mark it down. This team will NOT make the playoffs.Probably will finish 2-3 games off the pace.

Meet me in the Turner Field Plaza at the WC play-in game in October.

MVPrado14

September 12th, 2012
10:32 pm

“We just had a .500 road trip.”

That started 3-0, but yeah, let’s hold our head up high on that one. LOL. This team is a joke and will once again by the laughing stock of MLB once October rolls around.

TBbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

Nite everyone. May GOD bless America.

Trader Jack

September 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

J J Hoover got the save tonight for the Reds win over the Pirates

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

worst case scenario 3-3 road trip and we went in to it wanting 4-2…the way it has gone down isn’t fun but 1 game less than expected not the end of the world

the braves may pack it in and play 20 more games like this – or they may not

enjoy the ride or get off the train…about the only 2 choices you have

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:16 pm

AJC servers must be messed up again. Lots and lots of multi-posts.
________________

Again? Hell, they STAY messed up. Big-city newspaper with a small-town IT department.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

That’s awesome, Ghost. Congratulations to the Hillcats!

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

You guys should be watching Turner Classic Movie channel. More exciting watching Lauren Bacall. Now that is a real woman,! Sorry to distract from the game but the Braves piss me off too much to watch :)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

0-12 in the series for Bourn… Yikes

N8

September 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

“Meet me in the Turner Field Plaza at the WC play-in game in October.”

Why on earth would I do that? I don’t like any of your posts. I certainly don’t have any interest in meeting you. :-)

Busch Leaguer

September 12th, 2012
10:36 pm

The Braves are saving their energy for the one game playoff No sense using up energy finishing out the regular season. Seems this is the same game plan they used last year , how did that turn out for the 2011 Braves.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:36 pm

Lordy…

Kevin McAlpin ‏@KevinMcAlpin
Michael Bourn now 4-for-26 (.154) on the 6 game road trip, and 0-for-12 in the series with the Brewers. #Braves

No hope for Braves

September 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

The Truth…..Our pres is a big talker, but I doubt he does anything. Might screw up his campaign. I am like you, my heart goes out to the families. Being a Gunny for 20 years, this has really upset me and pisses me off!

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

This offense is terrible.

The Broom

September 12th, 2012
10:38 pm

“usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:22 pm

the truth…
THat’s been on my mind all day, but I can’t exactly express my feelings on the matter, nor how it’s been handled by our Commander-in-Chief, or I’d be banned from here for life”.

And if I expressed my feelings about the ill-advised response by his November opponent and his minions, I would be banned as well.

That’s why it should not be brought up in the first place.

Powder Blue

September 12th, 2012
10:38 pm

Braves choking again. Same old story.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:39 pm

J J Hoover got the save tonight for the Reds win over the Pirates

Woulda loved to have him in our bullpen… Always liked him.

Tomahawk Mafia

September 12th, 2012
10:39 pm

The Braves got the customary Bourn weak pop, and the Heyward grounder to the right side in that inning.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:40 pm

1,2,3….nothing, I think they just want to get out a there…….”Learning To Fly,” Pink Floyd.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:40 pm

N8: Just telling ya, I plan on being there for the WC game. Hope you show up too. It’s gonna be a fun atmosphere. Support your team.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
10:40 pm

Maholm 3-11 against the brew crew now.

DawgNole

September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

the truth…
September 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

So let’s save our indignation for the things that really matter….like giving those slime bags billions while they kill our soldiers and ambassadors….
_____________________

I’m with you on this one, truth!

I just don’t understand what they (powers that be) don’t understand. You’re dealing with savages and animals who have no value for life. Hell, they think they’re heros if they die–even when they kill themselves. That’s not only an unwinnable war but an extremely costly one–both in terms of thousands of young American lives and billions of American $$$.

Duh. What’s so hard to understand?

ACE

September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

Sutton just said don’t take any thing for granted in September. No Joke.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

“J J Hoover got the save tonight for the Reds win over the Pirates”

Arm looks to be hot fire.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

Ben Ingram ‏@IngramRadio
Since September 3rd, (9 games ago), Michael Bourn is 4 for 35 w/10 K’s and ZERO runs scored.

10 Ks!!! Give that man 18mil…

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

Was this guy not available an hour ago?

Larry

September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm

I shouldn’t have to point this out to all of you simpletons but I called this train wreck a long time ago. Maybe now you understand why. Fredi can’t manage. Chipper can’t play. Nobody seems interested in coaching Hanson, Freeman, McCann, and Uggla out of their slumps. You’re all just a bunch of sheep for thinking this group of Fredi’s misfits would do anything. Next time you might think about listening to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Braves are toast until Fredi and Chipper are history.

ACE

September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm

Bourn is fading just like last September. Maybe if they keep him they start him in the bullpen to save him some innings next season.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm

Last 7 games, Bourn hitting .179/.258/.214/.472, Chipper – .167/.286/.167/.452, BMac .250/.249/.542/.811, Freeman .100/.308/.100/.408.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm

NYTOL….BRAVA.

Remember we need to sweep all nine games against the METS at home, and the six against the FISH to make it. Five more of nine against the NATS, PHILLIES and PIRATES would be nice.

jer

September 12th, 2012
10:44 pm

Give him a rest. Uggla and others improved after a rest. Even tonight Freeman had 2 hits after a day off. However, I think Bourn needs a longer rest. A 162 game schedule is brutal on the body. Fredi seems to have learned that for pitching this year, having used O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel less this year after last year’s collapse and it seems to have paid off in good pitching in September most nights. However, he hasn’t seemed to learn that the same applies to the regular position players.

BS

September 12th, 2012
10:44 pm

No way in hell Braun gets the MVP.

Steve

September 12th, 2012
10:45 pm

The collapse: The Sequel

Brava

September 12th, 2012
10:46 pm

Nite, Ghost. Hope your wife is doing better.

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

Wow, Nate McClouth got the game winning hit for Baltimore tonight!

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

Phillies win 7th in row..

Busch Leaguer

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

Former Brave Nate Mc Clod just had a walk off hit for the Orioles off another former Brave Kyle Farnsworthless.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

Broom….
whatever, dude.

see ya next year

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

How about looking forward to next year? I would say forget Bourn, Uggla, McCann, Hanson, JJ, and all the old guys they picked up cheap like Batista. Lose Hinske and Diaz for good. Try Francisco at 3rd, Simmons at SS, Prado at 2nd. Keep Freeman and Heyward, Johnson in LF. Give Constanza a shot. Use Ross and Boscan. Medlen, Minor, Hudson. Dump or trade Maholm. Give some minor league guys a chance for some backup. Get a bat and pitcher. Maybe trade Venters.
Lose the entire coaching staff, and possibly the GM.

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

Got to see Nate in Norfolk when the Orioles sent him down.

alex

September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

it’s dejavu(braves in mid 80’s) all over again.

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

long way from minnesota to atlanta…although much closer to st. louis

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

Braves look absolutely worn out — extremely surprising since Gonzalez schedules days off like a retail manager.

No reason for Bourn to be playing tonight. A couple of days off would do wonders for his legs.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

Nate McLouth is doing quite well for Baltimore… I wish the Braves had given him a deal after the Pirates cut him. I wanted them to. He’s a decent platoon/backup OF

The Broom

September 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

usnavyvolfaninva

September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

Broom….
whatever, dude

Yeah whatever Fido. Like to dish it out but cant take it.

Busch Leaguer

September 12th, 2012
10:51 pm

How long will Fredi keep his slump buster on the bench? Georgie Constanza is waiting Fredi? Fredi ? What are you waiting for a 10 game slide?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:52 pm

Classy stuff, Brewers fans.

Busch Leaguer: Constanza ain’t gonna help much

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
10:53 pm

Yes Nate’s hitting a cool 230..would fit right back in with Braves.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:53 pm

Come on, man… you coulda let Chipper have the hit. It’s only his last AB in Milwaukee! :)

the truth...

September 12th, 2012
10:54 pm

I’m not trying to be overly partisan political….Just pointing out that while we just got swept in Milwaukee some of our Ambassadors, our soldiers and our embassy staff were dying across the globe…..

So let’s not forget those fighting for their and our lives instead of baseball games….I’m not giving up watching baseball and my Braves, but for sure the outcome in MLB is down the priority list…..

Chipper talked yesterday about the 9-11 game our Braves played eleven years ago….so I don’t think it is a stretch to take a hard look at this latest 9-11 fiasco….

Go Braves here…………and GO BRAVE SOLDIERS OVER THERE !!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm

Nate’s hitting .274/.348/.419/.767 over 133 PAs for Baltimore

The Broom

September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm

Ok outta here.

Remember one thing. There are different opinions. Don’t come here making grand statements about your opinion and not expect people who disagree to respond. As with usual from your side, you like to spew the bile but you don’t want to hear a different view. And you generally don’t like the truth either. It goes against your manufactured view of reality.

Busch Leaguer

September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm

@TOBF,Just making the point for whatever reason ,the Braves have around a .600 winning percentage when lil Georgie starts.

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:56 pm

Love to see Roenicke — the king of the shifts — put all 8 guys to the left of 2B.

brian

September 12th, 2012
10:57 pm

Well Bat – the braves exploded for your 2 runs. Unfortunately they played the fifth inning as well

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Uggla with a GREAT AB!

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm

Another walk to pad the precious OBP of you Virus lovers.

He is such a cluster.

JC Brave

September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm

Uggla with a meaningless walk.

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm

Dan Uggla….potential game coda….minus flatulence…folks he walked.

optimist

September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm

9 more walks like that and the Braves win!

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm

10:48 is the truth..spin it anyway you like.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm

I guess The Broom has cornered the market on the truth and everything else is manufactured reality. I’m honored the blog was graced by the presence of such an omnipotent being.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

Here comes the rally!

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

The streakiness of this team is unbelievable. Sweep and the get swept

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

Err, maybe not. Hinske’s up.

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:02 pm

Uggla and McCann starting a 2 out rally……

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
11:03 pm

I knew someone had one brewing…vs. Brew Crew……Just a poo….luz yoo!!!

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm

3-3 road trip! YEAH!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm

Crap. Well, that series is over. We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL. Brewers getting close in WC chase, Greinke would’ve been a great help to them!

nolie

September 12th, 2012
11:05 pm

Fredo

September 12th, 2012
11:06 pm

good series Brewers, you did upon the Braves as they did upon the Mets and that’s how you’re suppose to play the game

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:07 pm

A Bomb – agree with you on the braves looking exhausted,flat, etc. no excuse for it though. Keep this up and I cannot see fredi managing the braves next year

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:07 pm

.500 road trip…. can’t complain. We were pretty “lucky” in NY.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm

“We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL” TheOnlyBravesFan

:lol:

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm

Need to find a coach that can tell Fredi when to pull his starters… I know you might want your veteran starter to fight and get thru 5, but he was done even before the HR…

Chas

September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm

Your 2012 Atlanta Braves…CHOKE TWO, THE SEQUEL

Dum-Bass

September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm

Brava, agree with your 11:00PM 100%. A couple of posters lost all credibility tonight, as if they had any to begin with.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm

“We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL” TheOnlyBravesFan

The only Braves fan who believes! :)

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm

I would not mind seeing a change in leadership in the clubhouse

N Nine

September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm

And mclouth got a walk off winning hit …okokok not the right time

the truth...

September 12th, 2012
11:11 pm

@the Broom…………

….big difference in our folks dying and our sports team losing…..

That isn’t political that is fact….Chipper said yesterday that the game against the Mets
was his most memorable game of his 20 years….

So just pointing out here that as sick as another Braves collapse may make us……….let’s remember the real battle and real “scuffle” is for life and death….that makes it easier for me to put the game tonight in perspective…..

Go Braves…..

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:13 pm

Ben Ingram ‏@IngramRadio
This is actually the first time the #Braves have been swept on the road since May 21-24 at Cincinnati.

A couple of posters lost all credibility tonight, as if they had any to begin with.

You talking about yourself and some of the others who are like-minded, bud? ;)

The A Bomb

September 12th, 2012
11:13 pm

Gant smells a choke as well.

monty

September 12th, 2012
11:15 pm

Lot to look forward to next season when 2 of our top 3 hitters for avg. will be gone. :) Talk about low scoring.

N Nine

September 12th, 2012
11:17 pm

When will heyward getting his 20 20. Did his legs dry up?;

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
11:17 pm

I mean, I know Fredi ain’t the smartest, most strategic manager you’ll find, but come on now. He isn’t out there botching baseballs, watching fastball after fastball go right by him, getting rattled like a little leaguer when something goes wrong on the mound, and on and on. He gets under this fans skin too, but there’s only so much the guy can do.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm

Thanks, Dum-Bass.

All Het Up

September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm

Dum and the rest never had any credibility to begin with, just a boxcar load of negative crap.

ChattTownBrian

September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm

And Reed got how many PA’s in the series? Seriously, that is what annoys me about Fredi. Reed is a solid bat out there that we definitely needed. Maholm wet his pants tonight, but games one and two he could’ve helped.

All Het Up

September 12th, 2012
11:20 pm

McLouth is hitting .274 .348 .419 .767 109 for the Orioles Yogi, try to keep up

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

Agree with brava at 11pm. I also like being able to say I support usnavy

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

^^^That, esp. the 2nd part! :lol:

Good night folks, don’t jump off any bridges or disparage the team. We’ll be fine.

Go Braves. Peace.

uga-brave

September 12th, 2012
11:25 pm

one extra base hit all series and it came on 3-0 cripple pitch.
one RBI all series and it came on that same pitch.

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:25 pm

Agree ctb reed should have been in there at least one game

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 12th, 2012
11:26 pm

That was directed at All Het Up btw. Nite all.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
11:26 pm

Some teams can give a Greinke away and still handle their biz.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
11:34 pm

Prometheus wasn’t great but it had to have been a better watch than that game :?

Capt.Mudd

September 12th, 2012
11:35 pm

The man….the game….the explaining experiment…..the tipping of the cap to the opponent….oh my mental health…..it comes, it goes……the skipper; Fredi.

brian

September 12th, 2012
11:36 pm

Count – they did not just give away Greinke……they got a very good package for a rental

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
11:39 pm

did that package beat us tonight? even worse then

John Leonard

September 12th, 2012
11:40 pm

Two years in a row that Bourn has tired at the end of the season,and some want to give him a 5 to 7 year contract.There’s one born everyday.

count_schemula

September 12th, 2012
11:41 pm

I miss Beachy

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:44 pm

Thank you, brian, and I also support usnavy and agree with the truth.

tiger297

September 12th, 2012
11:46 pm

when its sleepy time down south…

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:48 pm

John Leonard, I personally would like to see Bourn back next season if we can get him without breaking the bank. Since he has an established track record of fading in the second half, maybe he will need more time off in the first half to help keep him fresh. He has played in 142 games this season.

Brava

September 12th, 2012
11:52 pm

Okay, I’m going to hit the hay now.

A good night to all.

John Leonard

September 12th, 2012
11:53 pm

Brava:Seeing what we had in the past, I can see your point,but what would you pay him?I would not pay him more than 8 a year for 3 years,and you know Boras will get him more.

nolie

September 12th, 2012
11:57 pm

yeah, even now Bourn is likely still looking at almost twice that money and perhaps twice the years John

nolie

September 12th, 2012
11:58 pm

they seem to like him though so if he falls to 15m per 5 years or so they might spring that much

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
12:02 am

Agree nolie,but not on my dime.

The A Bomb

September 13th, 2012
12:06 am

ARIZONA 3 FORT KNOX 2 FINAL

NL is really weak.

Lou

September 13th, 2012
12:09 am

Nolie, My once every 2 weeks comment. Isn’t it very Skip Carayesque to still be needing to “sweep 3 to win the division”, it’s bad enough that he is only in a broadcast booth outside of Billings or Yakima,however, when he makes comments like that you must think that both granddad and dad are ordering a celestial nightcap. “Win the division”, just get Medlen lined up for the one game playoff and stop the BS. The Braves are in and the Nats are very good with or without Strasberg. Sweep them and you “cut it” to 5 1/2, and that would put them in 1964 Phillies range.

nolie

September 13th, 2012
12:13 am

I really don’t pay much attention to the announcers Lou, don’t really like any of then mucm

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
12:16 am

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Race for 2nd wild card is a doozy. Phils, crew win every day; cards, dodgers, bucs lose every day. #wild

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
12:18 am

Driving home I flipped between the Dodgers’ and Angels’ games and struck by various ironies that I am too tired to remember 15 minutes later…time to move away from baseball for the evening…good evening, all…

Veer

September 13th, 2012
12:22 am

People are saying Collapse but that is far from the truth. We can just win 20 percent of the games from here onwards and still make the post season because niether the Cards or Dodgers are doing anything. Bottom line is that we will be in the playoffs. No reason to panic. Yes it is frustrating to lose all these games but it’s not the end of the world.

In fact of all the wildcard contenders the Brewers would give Braves the least hardest time despite of the sweep. I am rooting for the Brewers to win the wildcard. Lets look at the contenders

1. Cardinals- Dangerous offense everyone is hitting .300 and with Loshe and Wainwright they can shut any team down

2. Dodgers- Kemp Hanley Gonzalez Either with Kershaw pitching.

3. Pirates- They are finished but I hope they make the wildcard because they are the easy to beat

4. Phillies- Not much offense won’t score many runs.Got good pitching but that is irrelvent as this won’t be a series it will be a game and their big 3 isn’t any better than Kershaw or Wainwright and thus I wouldn’t mind facing the Phillies in that 1 game

5. Brewers- Good home team pathetic road team. Will be away game for them if they play us. Apart from Gallardo they don’t have much pitching and Gallardo is inconsistent. Got to watch for Braun otherwise a team we can beat.

nolie

September 13th, 2012
12:22 am

Veer

September 13th, 2012
12:28 am

Cardinals though will make it they got 9 games coming up vs Cubs and Astros.
They will go atleast 6-3 there.
Dodgers wil die with their schedule.
Pirates are done
Milwaukee and Phillies will need miracle

So Cardinals vs Braves
Wainwright vs Medlen
810 start on TBS
OCT 5TH in Atlanta GA

Carroll Rogers

September 13th, 2012
12:41 am

postgame quotes are up…..by my count, not one tip-your-cap, so at least there’s that.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/13/braves-postgame-quotes-after-wednesdays-loss/

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
12:59 am

Thanks for the heads up on the tip your caps.I don’t read them when we lose,because of that,this old man goes postal when I read that%^$##@.Will read them this morning.Thanks again C.R.

Carroll Rogers

September 13th, 2012
1:01 am

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/12/braves-swept-by-red-hot-brewers/

final gamer is up, and judging by the fact that i see like one post since i put the quotes up, you guys have checked out.

Nite all.

nolie

September 13th, 2012
1:01 am

got no problem with cap-tippin’ myself. If they beat you, admit it.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:08 am

All for admitting it,but enough of the hat tipping.Why not just say they played better than us even though we have better players,but because I can’t manage or coach my players,we get beat over and over again by players with lesser talent.

ACE

September 13th, 2012
1:09 am

Have a good nite Carroll

nolie

September 13th, 2012
1:12 am

the essence of baseball is to get beat over and over by lesser teams, that’s why 6 out of 10 is such a winning record. The best teams lose 40% of their games and since they are the best, those losses must all be to less talented teams. It ain’t football or basketball

nolie

September 13th, 2012
1:13 am

and it ain’t ever gonna be any different

ACE

September 13th, 2012
1:15 am

Fredi says all three games it was one inning. It was a lot more to it than that.

The A Bomb

September 13th, 2012
1:15 am

38,000 at Miller Park tonight for a .500 team.

But I totally understand why the Ted doesn’t draw — team is uninspiring and I can see why people won’t pay $50 to see the Virus Uggla whiff 3 times or the broken down catcher pop up twice and allow a passed ball. There’s no guarantee they’ll see Chipper play and Heyward hasn’t become the icon as of yet.

Plus — add in Bourn as a short-timer and Freeman playing like Herman Munster and inconsistent pitching and it’s easy to see why the in-person fan support isn’t there. Traffic is an excuse. Team has been very boring to follow under Gonzalez.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:29 am

Stengel.Lasorda,and can’t remember the oldtime Dodger manager,but they knew what to do with good teams.Next you’ll be telling me Lord Bobby was a great tactical manager.lol you can’t be serious defending Fredi,must be just having some fun.

the truth...

September 13th, 2012
1:35 am

John Leonard…..

Walter Alston handed it over to LaSorda in 1976

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:40 am

Thanks,that would have bothered me the rest of the night.Bobby did know how to manage the new breed of ballplayers.The game has changed since my day,not saying that’s good or bad,just that its changed,and of course we know,that money is the root of all evil,I would just like to be more evil.Have a good night.

nolie

September 13th, 2012
1:43 am

Not sure where you think I am defending Fredi, if you are responding to me. I am simply stating what happens every year in baseball no matter how good a team is or who the manager is, they still lose around 40% of their games

Ward

September 13th, 2012
1:47 am

Hello everyone! Brewers are a funny team. One series you can beat them, but then they can make you look bad with offense the next time you play them, and I’m not giviing up on the Braves yet! But it’s like the offense is in a coma, and have not awakened from it yet. Getting really interetsting now……

Ward

September 13th, 2012
1:50 am

Did I fear this yes, and saw it coming, but there is still life, and it always gets tougher when your battling for a wild card spot, and the race always tightens.

Ward

September 13th, 2012
1:51 am

It happens to all the teams battling til the end, so we have to sit tight, and have some fun……

Ward

September 13th, 2012
2:00 am

Nothing we can, but be cool, and just wait. Phillies are 2.5 games back from the 2nd wild card. We knew the Phillies would make it interesting down the stretch too.

Ward

September 13th, 2012
2:01 am

Can’t blame this all on Fredi. Wren, really didn’t do much again. It goes both ways…….

nolie

September 13th, 2012
2:07 am

ESPN Insider, Best Fits For FAs

As end of the regular season approaches, every major league club that plans to delve into the free-agent market has its best scouts at the ballpark looking at the best guys who will be available during the offseason. They are evaluating every plate appearance and/or every pitch while the front office is using video technology to further evaluate prospective free agents. A club simply cannot do enough homework on a player’s health, character, work ethic and makeup.

Taking an early look at this year’s free-agent class, center field is clearly the position that offers the most depth and quality. However, there will be several quality pitchers available, too, both top-of-the-rotation types as well as closers.

Here is a list of the 11 best free agents — in no particular order — who will be on the market this November and with which team they might best fit. (You may notice that Mariano Rivera, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are not listed here, and that’s because I am almost certain they will re-sign with their current teams.)

Josh Hamilton, CF | Best fits: Rangers, Yankees
Hamilton is the best position player in this year’s class, and the 31-year-old would like to get a deal in the range of what Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols received last year, which would mean a 10-year contract for more than $200 million. However, Hamilton’s well-documented issues with addiction and nagging health issues will dissuade some teams. Remember, though, it only takes one team to set the market.

Hamilton’s home is in the Dallas area and he has made it clear the Rangers are his first choice. He even plans on keeping his home in Texas even if he signs elsewhere. However, he also said he’s looking for fair market value — not a hometown discount — because he and his family have plans to redirect those earnings to charitable causes. In other words, the more money he makes, the more he can help worthy causes.

If the late George Steinbrenner were still alive, I have little doubt that Hamilton would soon be wearing Yankees pinstripes. And Yankee Stadium’s right-field dimensions are perfect for Hamilton. General manager Brian Cashman has said that the only position players he would sign to long-term contracts are “complete” players, and Hamilton fits that mold.

But in the end, the Rangers are his best fit because of the support the team has offered him on and off the field. However, team president Nolan Ryan and GM Jon Daniels stick to their limits, and if they can’t sign Hamilton within that structure, they won’t be afraid to walk away.

Zack Greinke, RHP | Best fits: Angels, Dodgers, Braves, Yankees
The Southern California lifestyle fits Greinke, and the way he’s dominated for the Angels in his past four starts, re-signing him would be ideal. However, if things should not work out, the Dodgers could be interested in pairing Greinke with Clayton Kershaw at the top of their rotation. The Dodgers have shown they have money to spend, and if Greinke wants to stay in Southern California, Chavez Ravine could be an option.

However, don’t count out the Rangers, who always spend their money first and foremost on starting pitching, or the Yankees, as Cashman has a close relationship with Greinke’s agent, Casey Close, and could end up outbidding everyone.

The underdogs in this chase include the Royals, where select brass would love to get back Greinke to anchor their rotation. The Braves love top-of-the-rotation starters and signing Greinke would send a huge positive message to their fan base.

Fernando Rodney, RHP | Best fits: Giants, Angels, Dodgers
The Giants could either bet on Brian Wilson returning successfully from Tommy John surgery or non-tender him and use the money to sign Rodney, the AL’s best closer this season. Rodney, 35, is a legitimate Cy Young Award candidate. His “Bugs Bunny” changeup possesses a 15 mph differential from his 97 mph fastball and has become one of the game’s best pitches. There won’t be a ton of competition for closers this offseason, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Angels made a play to bring back Rodney to put Ernesto Frieri back in the setup role, or if the Dodgers signed him to protect against Kenley Jansen’s recent health issues. (Note: The Rays do have a team option for Rodney for 2012.)

Michael Bourn, CF | Best fits: Phillies, Nationals, Reds
Bourn will be the best defensive center fielder and leadoff hitter available. Reds manager Dusty Baker has been asking for a leadoff hitter since he arrived in the Queen City, and some of the field staff are tiring of Drew Stubbs’ strikeouts. Nationals GM Mike Rizzo continues to make center field his priority, and I think this is the offseason he finally finds a way to get it done. This will allow him to put Bryce Harper and Jayson Werth in the corners, which was his long-term plan. But the Phillies desperately need some speed and a leadoff hitter, and they’d love to be able to get Bourn to come back to where his career started, when they drafted him in the fourth round of the 2003 draft.

B.J. Upton, CF | Best fits: Phillies, Nationals
Upton’s strong August and start to September is increasing his market value and officially pricing him out of Tampa Bay. The Phillies and Nationals are his best fits, and whoever doesn’t get Bourn will be the front-runner for Upton. The other sleeper team to watch is the team that acquires his brother Justin Upton, if the Arizona Diamondbacks trade him. Justin and B.J. have always talked about someday playing together in the major leagues.

Ryan Dempster, RHP | Best fits: Dodgers, Rangers
Dempster really wanted to become a Dodger this July, and the Cubs tried everything to accommodate him in a trade. However, when the Dodgers wouldn’t budge during negotiations, the Cubs dealt him to the Rangers instead. The Dodgers are his most likely destination this fall, as he would take Chad Billingsley’s spot in the rotation if Billingsley ends up having to undergo Tommy John surgery, which is a distinct possibility. If the Rangers win the World Series this year with Dempster, the experience could also get him to rethink his position and possibly re-sign with them on a short-term deal.

Nick Swisher, RF | Best fits: Yankees, Phillies, Braves
This is a really weak class in terms of corner outfielders, especially after Andre Ethier re-signed with the Dodgers during the season. Unless the Yankees are able to sign Hamilton or trade for Justin Upton, they will have no choice but to re-sign Swisher, who would like to stay in the Bronx. Swisher’s high energy and enthusiasm is important in the Yankees’ clubhouse, and the fact that he’s one of just three players in the majors who have hit at least 20 home runs for eight consecutive seasons speaks to his consistency. However, Citizens Bank Park would suit Swisher well, and there remains a vacancy in right field in the wake of the Hunter Pence trade. The Braves could put him in left field after they move Martin Prado to third base to replace the retiring Chipper Jones.

Kyle Lohse RHP | Best fits: Cardinals, Royals, Pirates
Lohse has won 14 games in each of the past two years and his 2.81 ERA could even get some Cy Young support this year. Combined with two healthy years of 180 innings pitched, and a thin free-agent starting pitching market, Lohse should do very well this fall. The Cardinals are his best fit because of his success there and how well he and Yadier Molina work together. However, young contending teams such as the Royals and Pirates are desperate to rebuild their starting pitching and might be willing to give more length and dollars then the Cards.

Colby Lewis, RHP | Best fits: Rangers, Royals, Dodgers
Lewis would like to remain a Ranger, and it appears the feeling is mutual because of his ability to win big games. After missing most of the season after right elbow surgery July 27, a low base salary with incentives is probably the deal that will get done in Texas. The Royals, who need to chase every starting pitcher, as well as the Dodgers — who love veteran starters — are other clubs to watch.

Edwin Jackson, RHP | Best fits: Royals, Indians, Marlins
Jackson, 29, has proved himself to be a solid No. 3 or No. 4 starter for contending teams over the past two years. His ERA has been under 4.00, and after the 2012 season, he’ll have double-digit wins in five consecutive years. The Royals are the best fit for him as a team with whom there is still room to grow with some of the best young position players in the game. The Marlins and Indians are two other teams that might pursue him.

Shane Victorino, OF | Best fits: Giants, Reds
The Giants have a history of signing veteran free agents with winning attitudes to fill supplemental roles. Victorino fits that mold. It’s still unclear if the Giants will consider re-signing Melky Cabrera in the wake of his suspension, and coupled with the fact that prospect Gary Brown is still not quite ready, Victorino would be a perfect short-term solution in left field for them. After the big second half Ryan Ludwick has had, Cincinnati seems like a less likely spot for Victorino, though they could sign him to play center field.

Ward

September 13th, 2012
2:11 am

The big question is “?” Swisher, or Greinke??????? I would chose Swisher, and than go with Cunningham in Center. I would be happy if the Braves sign Bourn, but it’s a big “IF”??????

Ward

September 13th, 2012
2:16 am

I’m getting tired of building on pitching, so I would like some extra pop added next year to the line up, and see the fences moved in at Turner Field.

Ward

September 13th, 2012
2:22 am

All, have a good one, and good article nolie…… Hang there Braves fans, and keep hope! Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Talk on Friday………

nolie

September 13th, 2012
3:08 am

I’d bet that Cunningham will not be starting in the Braves OF next season.

cowdogit

September 13th, 2012
4:18 am

It’s been happing over two years, Braves go on a winning streak with Canstanza in the lineup, Bench or either send him to the minors and they go on a losing streak. The only way to explain it is one more speedy player in the lineup makes a big difference.

Around The Horn

September 13th, 2012
5:56 am

SHEETS

I’d like to see the Braves give Sheets another shot at starting, even if this entails going back to a six man rotation.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
7:09 am

Zack Greinke, RHP | Best fits: Angels, Dodgers, Braves, Yankees

The Braves love top-of-the-rotation starters and signing Greinke would send a huge positive message to their fan base.

I like that very much.

nolie

September 13th, 2012
7:14 am

I like that very much….TOBF

I just KNEW you would ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
7:17 am

Chipper’s tweet from last night:

Chipper Jones ‏@RealCJ10
That one is on me. Shuda made that play leading off the 5th. Mite not have made a diff, but it mite have. Nice #crank by Jhey in the 1st!

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
7:17 am

Ekes! The seesaw Braves. Up and down, up and down. Swept by the Brew-crew.

The series sweep of the Bravos should be good for a a couple of days, at least, of negative, doom-filled posts and “dump Fredi” rants.

O, joy.

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
7:44 am

TOBF

Not to dampen your hopes but Grienke has stated he loves the LA area and loves playing for the Angels. Brian Cashman has stated that the Yanks have zero interest in Grienke. The Braves remain at best a longshot in the Grienke sewwpstakes

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
7:44 am

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
7:49 am

TOBF

Either the Angels or Dodgers will give Grienke the $20 mil per year, and Wren, rightfully so, will pull out of the bidding

Tomahawkin

September 13th, 2012
7:55 am

ACE

“Fredi says all three games it was one inning. It was a lot more to it than that.”

Agreed, Except for that Sat Game against the AAA Mets, The offense continued to hit like ####

The Curley W’s are gonna take this collection of Stiffs to the Woodshed this weekend, Bank On It

Tomahawkin

September 13th, 2012
7:56 am

Whats The Verdict on Maholm?

looks like an average pitcher who benefitted by playing on bad teams throughout his career, sort of like a Wandy Rodriguez type, basically another innings eater, who Can’t be trusted to be a stopper

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
7:57 am

I don’t think he’ll get 20mil/yr. Especially since the Yanks likely won’t be involved. I’m only afraid of the Dodgers, but I’m hoping that they won’t go after him. If it’s mainly just us and the Angels, we have a shot. At least, that’s how I’m thinking. 16-17mil/yr.

O.J.

September 13th, 2012
8:13 am

So, the Braves are pretty much out of the division race now, no way they catch the Nats. I mean, they just got swept by the Brewers, THE BREWERS!!!! So I can almost guarantee a sweep at the hands of the Nats at the low attendance Ted. Pretty sad this team is in a pennant race and NO ONE shows up to the games.

Guess the silver lining here would be that even though the Braves lost 3 straight, so did the top 4 teams in the WC race.

Cant believe the Phillies are back in it. WTH.

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
8:15 am

TOBF

The Dodgers had an interest in Cliff Lee, at $25 mil per year. what makes you think they won’t go after Grienke, who is much younger, and costs less at $20 mil?

JRW

September 13th, 2012
8:23 am

Groundhog Day all over again. The Newspaper might as well print the overnight games in the evening edition before they even play the games. Cards, Bucs and Dodgers all lose and the Phillies and Brewers win. Why do I even bother to check. Have to watch out for the Brewers and Phillies. They have caught lightning, and it still may be too late, but if either of them gets in they could be last years version of the St. Louis Cardinals. Hot teams in September can ride through to a championship. Just ask the Giants and Cards

JRW

September 13th, 2012
8:27 am

For those few who still believe the Braves can catch the Nats, just remember that the Braves are closer to the Phillies in the loss column (8) than they are the Nationals (9).

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
8:36 am

what makes you think they won’t go after Grienke, who is much younger, and costs less at $20 mil?

TJ Simers…. sure Greinke doesn’t want to be around that guy!

I think the money might keep them out. They’ve already have tons committed in AGon, Beckett, and Crawford. Don’t know how much more they’ll add. But after adding all those guys, I don’t see them handing out even more contracts at an insanely high price.

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
8:48 am

TOBF

Money is not an issue for Guggenheim Partnerships, owners of the Dodgers. Their new TV deal pays them $200 mil per year, plus with the marquee players they have added, their attendance could top 4 million next year.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
8:49 am

So our choice is Greinke or Swisher? This is going to be a loooooong winter.

Bat Masterson

September 13th, 2012
9:02 am

Well Bat – the braves exploded for your 2 runs. _ brian

Well I think my call was for over two and unfortunately it would have taken well over.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:11 am

So our choice is Greinke or Swisher? This is going to be a loooooong winter.

I think it’s Greinke and Willingham + a cheap defensive CF vs. Shields (or other pitcher traded for), cheap LF, and a cheap CF.

I go with the former.

Fols

September 13th, 2012
9:11 am

Good thing there’s an off day…it’ll give them time to look at the standings.

If they can’t get up for a Meds start…then I don’t think there’s any point of going further.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:15 am

Maholm is a fine pitcher. Really has just had a few bad innings as a Brave. Still worth the $6.5 million next year and the guy is very durable as well. Not a frontline guy at all, imo, but who cares? Starting staffs need depth and mid-rotation guys like him.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:19 am

Heyward is hitting .298/.353/.489 in September with a 4/7 BB/K ratio in 51 plate appearances. K rate has been much better this month. Could have the potential to be a big month for him – just a lot of games to go.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:23 am

Maholm after having a good start with the Braves, is now 3-4 with a 4.28 ERA. 8 starts, 48.1 IP (6 a start), 49 Hits, 23 runs allowed, 7 HR, 15 BB vs. 40 Ks.

His ERA+ is 94. It was 106 with Chicago. His WHIP, H/9, HR/9, BB/9 are all up since joining the Braves. His K/9 and SO/BB ratio is better since joining us though.

Over his past 5 starts, Maholm is 1-3 (Braves have gone 2-3) with a 6.75 ERA. Pitched 25.1 innings (5 a start) and allowed 19 runs. He’s walked 10 and K’d 20. Opponents have hit .321/.378/.495/.874 during this stretch.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:28 am

Hmmm, the Dodgers with that great murderers row. :roll:

ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo
Dodgers have lost 6 of last 7 (1.9 runs per game in last 7) and are 6-11 since trade with Red Sox.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:29 am

Two bad starts against the hottest teams in the sport right now in the Phillies and Brewers.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:31 am

And a less than stellar start against the Nationals… 7 innings, 4 runs allowed

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:32 am

Been worth 0.0 WAR since coming over (8 starts)… was worth 1.6 with the Cubs (21 starts)

Lew

September 13th, 2012
9:34 am

Only Braves – The Twins claim they don’t want to trade Willingham and I beleive them – if they had interest, they could have gotten a lot more for hom by trading him at the deadline when the team he went to could have him for two playoff runs cheap. At this point he’s likely woirth more to the Twins as a cheap outfielder with power on a weak team.

As for Greinke – no matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks of him as a pitcher, he WILL get a contract approaching $20 mil per year if not actually hitting that amount. If the Braves have around $23 million to spend, they won’t spend it on Greinke and have nothing left to fill the other needs they must fill.

Look for them to attempt a deal for Sheilds who is cheaper and still under contract for a few years. That they could afford to do. They have the prospects and could actually afford to pay him and still get other players.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:37 am

Braves are 9 back of the Nationals in the loss column with 18 to play.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:38 am

Lew: I agree with you on Willingham, and (obviously) disagree with you on Greinke. Shields is fine as well in my opinion. However, if we do trade for him, I wouldn’t expect a trade for a RH power LF… Frank isn’t going to trade that many prospects away. In that case, we’ll be going cheap in both LF and CF… that’s not the best plan, I’m sure you’ll agree.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
9:38 am

what makes you think they won’t go after Grienke, who is much younger, and costs less at $20 mil

Greinke isn’t getting paid less than $20M. He will get $21M a year at a minimum.
On that giant, stage… that stage that crushes his fragile psyche, Grienke has just been lacking right? I mean, he’s pitched 6+ innings in all but one start since going to LA. In 7 of his 9 starts with LA he has pitched a minimum of 7 innings. Over his last 6 starts with LA he is 5-1 with a 3.46 ERA with a .224/.287/.375 oppo-line. He’s just awful and overhyped and can’t handle the pressure…
With that type of performance and his history no way he gets more than what Michael Bourn pulls in… What’s fair for Zack? Some where around $5M a year? He’s just not good and can’t handle the pressure.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:40 am

And a less than stellar start against the Nationals… 7 innings, 4 runs allowed

I still think he’s been solid overall. Couple of bad starts and I’ll take that performance vs. the Nats.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
9:42 am

Shields is not going to be the answer, the cost would be way too much to bring him to Atlanta. We’d be fools to pay the price in prospects it would take to get that one done.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:42 am

On that giant, stage… that stage that crushes his fragile psyche, Grienke has just been lacking right? I mean, he’s pitched 6+ innings in all but one start since going to LA. In 7 of his 9 starts with LA he has pitched a minimum of 7 innings. Over his last 6 starts with LA he is 5-1 with a 3.46 ERA with a .224/.287/.375 oppo-line. He’s just awful and overhyped and can’t handle the pressure…
With that type of performance and his history no way he gets more than what Michael Bourn pulls in… What’s fair for Zack? Some where around $5M a year? He’s just not good and can’t handle the pressure.

Totally agree. And I believe he was called a “decent #3 starter” – which is just as ludicrous as calling him an Ace.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
9:43 am

Greinke by far would be the most cost effective way to go as long as you didn’t have to go past 5 years with maybe an optioned 6th.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
9:46 am

But of course, you’ve got to look at ways to move Uggla during the offseason. There’s absolutely no reason for this club that has a knack for going so extremely cold at the plate to retain one of the worst streaky hitters in the league.

abeeeewright

September 13th, 2012
9:46 am

Glad for the day off. What a disappointing series in Milwaukee. What a disappointing offensive output for the whole road trip.

Still hoping that the current malaise will snap in a big way come October.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:46 am

Michael Bourn now down to .277/.347/.397, 100 OPS+.

Since the ASG, he’s hit .224/.318/.311 in 58 games, 263 plate appearances.

Since June 19th, he’s hit .240/.331/.340 in 76 games, 349 plate appearances.

Powder Blue

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

The Braves will not win the East. No chance.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
9:47 am

Michael Bourn now down to .277/.347/.397, 100 OPS+.

Which is exactly why we need to stay away from him come this offseason when the numbers of 14 to 18 million a year are thrown around.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

But please, go ahead and offer him $18 million a year over the next 6-7 seasons. He’s just so important to the team.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:48 am

Efrim: I’m not saying that he’s not a good starter, I think he is. Just to be fair, I’m saying that he’s had 5 good starts and 3 not so good ones, 2 of which were stinkers.

Sandra Golden ‏@sportsandra
Phil Niekro just said on 680thefan,with 1 game 2 win for the Braves,He’s putting Kris Medlen on the mound!@krismedlen54 @petermoylan

Agree completely.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
9:49 am

MAHOLM and SHEETS are good for three innings each. Start them in the same game, then use C-MART to finish out the contest = 1 victory

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:51 am

We’d be fools to pay the price in prospects it would take to get that one done.

Teheran and/or Delgado + Spruill/Graham, Salcedo, and Bethancourt. Might even take more than that. Sounds perfect…. (sarcasm)

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:51 am

I think my max offer for Bourn would be around what Damon got – four years, 48-52 million. Something in that range.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
9:52 am

nolie
September 13th, 2012
3:08 am

“…..I’d bet that Cunningham will not be starting in the Braves OF next season……”

Copy that

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
9:52 am

throw Hanson into that mix, rich.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:55 am

Shields is really, really good. He’d dominate in this league, imo. Two years, 21 million is a great cost for a pitcher of his talents. I’m just not sure why the Rays would trade him. They sort of have a gap with their prospects and haven’t drafted as well lately. They need to try and win with this crew. Price, Shields, Moore, Hellickson is filthy. Cobb, Niemann, Davis, Archer as options for the 5th spot. I’d probably trade Wade Davis for a bat if I were them.

tony austin

September 13th, 2012
9:56 am

I say let some other team pay $14 – $18M/year for their lead off hitter to strike out 160 times. I like Bourn and I appreciate his time here, but he really is one of the last people I want to see in the box with the game on the line. I’ll miss his defense but I think the Braves can find someone comparable for a tad less that $14 – $18M.

Dadgum....

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

I really can’t understand how a professional baseball team can play a 3 game series and average around an earned run a game. Again the Braves are pulling off hard to fathom stats. Simply embarrassing play all around. Maybe they explode against the Nats somehow but if they are swept again watch out. Gonna get dicey for a very streaky and average pitching team.

Rock on……Braves will not spend the money it will take to sign Greinke. They will be outbid by teams that are better contenders. With Medlen, Beachy(when he returns), Minor, Hudson, and Delgado or Teheran that is a solid rotation. The Braves have made all these drafts/ trades to acquire young starting pitching. Wren needs to make good on the future he has acquired. Money spent this fall needs to be on big outfield bats especially LF and assuming Bourn leaves then CF.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
9:58 am

Nationals are up 9.5 games. Reds are up 11.5 games. Giants are up 7 games.

Braves are up 5.5 games on the Cardinals, 6.5 games on the Dodgers.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
9:59 am

TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
9:52 am

“…..throw Hanson into that mix, rich……”

No, in my rotation, HANSON does not appear as a starter.

MEDLEN
HUDSON
MINOR
SHEETS/MAHOLM

DELGADO emergency start when necessary.

Strictly a four-man rotation these last eighteen games. SHEETS onto the active roster, and HANSON DL, shoulder problems.

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
9:59 am

Mentioned this late last night, it was good to see that J J Hoover got the save for the Reds

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
9:59 am

Shields is really, really good. He’d dominate in this league, imo. Two years, 21 million is a great cost for a pitcher of his talents.

This possibly could be true but the 21 million dollar cost isn’t the only cost of bringing him here. Now if he was a free agent.. that’d be another story.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:01 am

Shields is good… not saying he’s not. I’m just not a fan of trading pitching for more pitching. We’d likely trade 18-24 years of control on our pitchers for 2 years of Shields? And not be able to get a bat? Dunno how I’d feel about that. Probably not very good. Getting Greinke or any other FA pitcher allows us to keep our prospects to flip for a bat or two and still not have to trade as many of them as we would for Shields.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Strikeouts isn’t the issue with Bourn – it’s more that he’s a below average hitter and a Scott Boras client looking to cash in within a weak free agent market.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

I still think Craig Gentry would be a very nice option for CF next season. Not quite sure what Texas would expect in return but I wouldn’t expect it to be too high. He’s right handed, has speed, plays very good defense and gets on base at a very high rate. Plus, he’s very very good against left handed pitching, which is something we could definitely use.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Fredi should’ve put in Constanza. Dude’s worth at least 9 runs a game.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:03 am

This possibly could be true but the 21 million dollar cost isn’t the only cost of bringing him here. Now if he was a free agent.. that’d be another story.

THIS!

rich: I wouldn’t have slow arm Hanson in my rotation either…. unfortunately he is. He can start the game and go 3 innings, Paul goes innings 3-6, the ‘pen finishes it out.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:04 am

Why do you keep just saying the word “This”

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:06 am

We still have 12 games vs. the Marlins, Mets and Pirates. That’s a good thing. We’ve beat up on bad teams all year long and I expect it to continue through the final 18 games.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:06 am

Don’t forget, just cause we may be out bid for Greinke doesn’t mean we may not have a chance to acquire a top of the rotation type pitcher through free agency. There’s also the possibility that Haren could be available, specially if LA signs Greinke.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
10:09 am

From last night…is dejavu a new “blogism”? :)

UKUGA

September 13th, 2012
10:10 am

It’s interesting to see how quickly this week-end’s series shifted from a chance to gain serious ground in the NL East, to a series where the Braves just need to salvage some wins in hopes of securing WC #1.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:11 am

Really interesting to see what the Angels do with Haren. Their staff has seriously disappointed this year. Even Jered Weaver’s stuff is down this year – fastball velo around 87-89mph, I believe. They could let Haren go and sign Greinke.

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

September 13th, 2012
10:11 am

jeffrey d Why do you keep just saying the word “This”

This.

;)

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
10:11 am

Glad to see a few people put some perspective on baseball vs real life.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:12 am

Yes, because Efrim knows ludicrous. Like Minor only has a ceiling of a number four starter.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
10:14 am

(from last night) Lew and nolie – I concur that most announcers aren’t very good these days, especially with the trend toward former athletes (Glavin and Smoltz excepted).

On the other hand, Vin Scully has reupped for another year.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:14 am

I don’t think the WC is in jeopardy at all. I’m more worried about having the big MO going into the playoffs.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:15 am

Is it something hip young people are saying these days?

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:17 am

Yes, because Efrim knows ludicrous. Like Minor only has a ceiling of a number four starter.

#3 starter. Never said #4. Quit lying.

And again, he has a 4.50 career ERA – so he hasn’t even pitched like a #4 starter to date.

You’re the one who made the comment that Greinke was a “decent #3 starter”, Lew. I’m sorry, that’s crazy talk.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
10:17 am

just cause we may be out bid for Greinke …

I could live with being out-bid for him. I could easily toss the mug at the panel, curse Greinke as a money grubbing snob, blast whatever contract he signs regardless of parameters and go on with my life.

I will not be happy if events unfold and the Braves don’t even try.

I will be furious if events unfold and the Braves opted for Bourn over Greinke… “we really wanted Bourn and once we locked him up, there was only enough to get Raul Mondesi and Garrett Anderson for the team. Raul will be a back end starter filling out the rotation.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:19 am

I wouldn’t mind Haren too much. Sign him as a free agent, no prospect cost. He can be good.

Is it something hip young people are saying these days?

I’m not hip… I’m a nerd. I wouldn’t know. It’s just my way of agreeing.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:19 am

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:20 am

I’ve seen it from more than just you (and McFann ;) ) in recent days. I figured it meant you agree with “this” statement.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:22 am

I will be furious if events unfold and the Braves opted for Bourn over Greinke…

There is a faction here that feel so strongly for Bourn over Greinke and the blogmeister himself is a huge fan of Michael Bourn – “up to $18 million a year” came from him.

Should be a fun offseason of blogging. :)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

I will not be happy if events unfold and the Braves don’t even try.

I will be furious if events unfold and the Braves opted for Bourn over Greinke…

As would I. We need to attempt to get a top of the rotation starter. Not overpay for a speedster who’s not getting any better.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Yep, crazy talk – must be. But let’s look at this in a somewhat different light- Since the All Star break, boith Greinke and MInor have made ten starts.

Greinke has pitched 67.2 innjings in thos ten sta and has given up 29 ER.

Minor in his ten starts since the AS break, has pitched 63 innings (had a rain shortened start of 3.2IP) and given up 17 ER.

Oops. I’m talking crazy again.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Remember when Nate hit a walkoff homer for the Braves and evrybody left the dugout and went into the tunnel?

Dadgum....

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Problem is we have two top of the rotation type pitchers now in Medlen then Beachy when he returns mid-season. They are cheap right now. Gotta spend the money on the outfield. With Hudson and Minor anchoring the other spots and great prospects coming up like Teheran, Delgado, and eventually the Gilmartins of the organization we are looking good.

Two glaring problems roosting with the Braves are catcher and 2nd base. Those have been glaring weaknesses whose career numbers are declining over almost a two year period. That is horrible given the Braves were counting on them for the 4 & 5 power spots in the lineup. I would jettison McCann after next year and be aggressive in trading Uggla this year. Move Prado back to 2nd and scour the FA and trade markets for a 3rd baseman. Uggla is reminding me of Marcus Giles at 5 times the money.

Rock on….just sayin not beechin.

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

Everyone on here is so enamored with the huge lead the Braves have in the WC race that they are missing what’s really going on.

Do I think the Braves will win the WC? Yes. In fact, I think they will end up getting the top WC and hosting the one-game playoff.

But herein lies the problem. Each of the teams in contention for the other wild card have at least one or two pitchers that can easiliy shut down the Braves. Easily.

Can anything happen? Sure. But if you are resting your laurels on the Braves making a splash in the postseason, then the odds are not in their favor.

More than likely, this season will end on October 5th and Fredi will keep his job because the Braves made it to the “postseason”. Not good enough in my book.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:23 am

we really wanted Bourn and once we locked him up, there was only enough to get Raul Mondesi and Garrett Anderson for the team.

Why oh why did you even have to go here? I was having such a great morning.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
10:25 am

Should be a fun offseason of blogging.

I fear we may have different definitions of “fun”.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:25 am

Must be that amazing Atlanta defense.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:28 am

Oops. I’m talking crazy again.

So you think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke? Is that what you’re saying?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:30 am

Greinke still has a better ERA than Minor does for the year…. over the past 4 starts Greinke has 1.87 ERA, Minor at 2.59. Both are doing fine. Minor struggled for months at the beginning of the year, Greinke struggled for 3 starts with the Angels

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:30 am

I fear we may have different definitions of “fun”.

I should of put quotes around “fun” – I’m right there with you, scoots. ;)

Dadgum....

September 13th, 2012
10:31 am

If the Braves win 2 of 3 from the Nats then they will cruise to the wild card win. If they are swept all bets are off for even the 2nd spot. They will be in official Tom Petty mode – freefallin’.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
10:31 am

So you think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke?

Well, … he is Polished.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:31 am

Greinke still has a better ERA than Minor does for the year….

And ya know, the whole career thing too which includes one of the best seasons by a pitcher in 100 years.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
10:31 am

Problem is we have two top of the rotation type pitchers now in Medlen then Beachy when he returns mid-season.

If that were true, I hardly think it would be a “problem”. But Beachy can’t be counted for anything next year, and I wonder if folks really, really want Medlen matching up against the likes of Halladay, Strasburg, Dickey, and Josh Johnson most of the time. And that’s just in the division.

I know people love the guy, but that does not seem a good Plan A to me.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:32 am

Must be that amazing Atlanta defense.

That’s part of it… our defense is much better than the Brewers and Angels defense. However, at the time that Greinke was traded, his ERA was better than any Braves starter. Explain that one, if he’s such an average pitcher.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:32 am

Well, … he is Polished.

And went to college. And is left handed.

+2 for Mike.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:33 am

What I’aying is that Zack Greinke is highly overrated based on one truly excellent season and Minor is a lot better than you want to admit.

I find it interesting that you site Minor’s ERA for a barely started career, yet conveniently disregard Greinke’s (which is nowhere near that of a number one or two pitcher) which is based on a ten year career in the majors.

But yeah – since the All Star break, Minor has pitched better than Greinke. Will he continue to develop at this rate? Who knows. But what I DO know is that Greinke has had severeasons in which to equal his great year and has come nowhere close. Spin it any way you see fit to – it doesn;t change those facts.

DAP

September 13th, 2012
10:34 am

do the braves have what it takes to get justin upton? that would be a nice get this offseason. it would help me settle for a so-so hitter in CF.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:35 am

And you can throw that “Polished bull manure out ther all you want to. It doesn’t change the fact that Minor has been pitching quite well for some time now and it’s eating you up.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:35 am

Uggla to Detroit, package him with someone like Gilmartin.. get us a return of something like Infante, McCann and Garcia.

Then sign us a pitcher… Greinke or Haren, first available.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:35 am

Also, Mike’s taller.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:36 am

Medlen matching up against the likes of Halladay, Strasburg, Dickey, and Josh Johnson most of the time. And that’s just in the division.

You’re so absurd, scoots. Medlen can match up against Godzilla, Moby Dick, and Darth Vader. :)

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:36 am

And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:37 am

And Mike’s a hell of a lot cheaper, too.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:38 am

Minor has no ceiling. Uggla must be traded. And y’all think I live in LaLa land?

Dadgum....

September 13th, 2012
10:38 am

Scoots….that isn’t what I meant. Simply given historically great pitching from Medlen and Beachy coming back (hopefully solid 2nd half) we do have the top horses to go up against anyone. Would I like Greinke? Absolutely. Not at the cost of getting a stronger outfield and if Bourn leaves then we need two guys. As we have seen this year, and last for that matter, the Braves simply aren’t very strong offensively. Greinke ain’t coming to Atlanta it’s as simple as that IMO.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:39 am

I posted the comparisons a while back, Zack Greinke’s ERA through now (his age 28 season) compares pretty closely to some pitchers who are considered to be top pitchers in the MLB. Roy Halladay’s ERA was 3.70 ERA thru his age 28 season. Greinke is at 3.80

By age 28, Halladay had only put together 2 full start-to-finish seasons of starting. Greinke will have done 5. Not saying Greinke is a #1 like Doc, but he can at least be a #2.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:40 am

Efrim doesn’t find a way to include Minor in every post he makes like the loonies.

Fols

September 13th, 2012
10:40 am

Nothing like flipping over to the ESPN website and having a main page article about Nate McClouth coming through with game winning hits in September.

What is it with Atlanta? Not like Nate is having a very good year, but still…….what is it about this city, this team that has to play it’s worst ball right now while relatively healthy?

Turn it around boys! Those wins against the Mets don’t hold any water…..you want to prove you’re in the big show dance, beat the Nats this weekend or forever just bow out.

Please…beat them…

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
10:40 am

DADGUM:

I agree on the pitching side of things.

I still don’t think BOURN lands in ATLANTA although I expect WREN to make a sizable offer to keep him.

No, I see HEYWARD in CF with PRADO in left and REED JOHNSON in right off today’s roster……and that’s scary.

Down of the FARM

Older experienced players are limited. I liked JORDAN PARRAZ a lot, but evidently he was hurt much of the season, and has not regained form as yet.

Having ‘GEORGIE’ patrolling CF on a full-time basis is not having MIKE BOURN there, and I think most everyone can see that. At the plate there is NO comparison.

STEF GARTRELL tried hard, but has come up short.

FELIX PIE, LUIS DURANGO, JOSH KROEGER? Bench material.

In the lower minors, GATTIS, CUNNINGHAM, TERDOSLAVICH, MILLIGAN, HEFFLINGER, SKINNER are not ML material in my estimation, at least not off what they showed in AA and below. JOEY T. probably has the potential to be a starter someday, but that glove……oh my.

No, EVAN GATTIS is the best OF prospect down on the farm right now. He did play some LF [37 G] this season, converting back to C and 1B after returning from that serious broken wrist injury. Assuming he mends completely this off-season, he’s the hot ticket to come to ATLANTA and make some noise. But by next season? Very questionable, and at 26 there is some angst associated with his longevity.

CUNNINGHAM is very limited power-wise [2012 .403 slg]. This despite a .309 BA. He is not AL SIMMONS at the plate, not yet anyway.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:44 am

Uggla must be traded. And y’all think I live in LaLa land?

You are if you don’t think it can be done. Uggla has and always will be nothing more than a very good complimentary hitter in a lineup. The problem is.. we don’t have the parts around him to help benefit from his abilities. Detroit however won’t depend on him solely to carry the lineup. He’d work quite well in their lineup. I don’t see why you don’t think he’d be a good match for them.

DAP

September 13th, 2012
10:44 am

arkansas transplant I don’t think the WC is in jeopardy at all. I’m more worried about having the big MO going into the playoffs.

totally agree here. the braves just need to put their head down and concentrate on playing better. the wins will come, and they need to have some things straightened out by oct. 5th.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:45 am

And you can throw that “Polished bull manure out ther all you want to. It doesn’t change the fact that Minor has been pitching quite well for some time now and it’s eating you up.

No, it isn’t. He’s exactly what every single analyst has said he is, Lew. A mid-rotation starter ceiling. Nothing I’ve seen from Mike Minor over 60+ starts has made me believe otherwise.

And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi.

If you truly believe that then you’re dumber than I thought, man. Sorry Lew, but I’m not letting you get away with calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter”. That’s the dumbest comment I’ve seen from you in quite some time. You’ve twisted everything I’ve said ab out Minor to make it sound like I thought he wasn’t a major league pitcher and every bit of it is false. Sijnce day one the issue was that we drafted him #7 overall and his mid-rotation ceiling and high floor was what I’ve “pounded” on. But continue to spew garbage and lies because you’re mad that you got caught out calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter” – which is again, one of the dumber things I’ve ever heard you say.

George_George

September 13th, 2012
10:47 am

Morning all
Below is a repost that deserves to be reposted.
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Plate Appearance

September 13th, 2012
5:24 am
CONGRATULATIONS CHIPPER

Mark Bowman of the Braves MLB web site writes:

“With a little more than three weeks left in his storied career, Chipper Jones has joined an elite group that previously only included Hall of Famers Stan Musial, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams and Lou Gehrig.

The walk Jones drew to begin the fourth inning of Wednesday night’s game against the Brewers was the 1,500th of his career. This marked the last milestone that he had to hit to join these legends in this select group.

Musial, Ruth, Williams, Gehrig and Jones are the only players in Major League history to record at least 2,500 hits, 1,500 walks, 1,500 runs, 500 doubles, 450 home runs and 1,500 RBIs while hitting .300 with a .400 on-base percentage and .500 slugging percentage.

Jones’ career statistics entering Wednesday included: 2,716 hits, 1,499 walks, 1,611 runs, 547 doubles, 468 home runs, 1,620 RBIs, .304 batting average, .401 on-base percentage and a .531 slugging percentage.” — End quote.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
10:47 am

rich…err…Ghost – I hope your wife is doing better. Tholughts and Prayers still coming your way, my friend.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:48 am

Efrim doesn’t find a way to include Minor in every post he makes like the loonies.

Exactly. “Polished” is more of a joke that I’ve had with TenneseePaul and others because it’s used to describe high floor starters like Minor or Gilmartin – guys that have that quality of pitchability and don’t blow you away with their overall stuff.

Sopheee

September 13th, 2012
10:48 am

Remember when Nate hit a walkoff homer for the Braves and evrybody left the dugout and went into the tunnel?

I still have that game on the DVR. If I remember correctly, we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

Greinke… he stay in Anaheim (Orange County)… laid back, fun & sun, surfing, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Laguna… Beach. Orange County (coastal) is plenty different community than nasty, smoggy L.A. Chavez Ravine, gritty, nasty.

Angels, they have loads of bucks to make Greinke happy and smiley. Fun & Sun + Big Bucks = ?

I think Greinke stay smiley in southern California play land.

Fols

September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

I remember that….to be honest when a player hits his first homerun, or at least a big homerun, I watch for that kind of thing in the dugout.

I laughed so hard! It’s been done a couple times by the Braves, I wonder who stirs that up?

Great memory Sopheee!

Dadgum....

September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

Richbrave….I don’t see Heyward manning CF full time. Ever. He is OK defensively but not CF material except in emergencies. Given a strong FA group in CF that is the only route I see the Braves going for that position. I agree that Bourn lands elsewhere. Probably the Nats. The Braves will end up with an impact player in CF no doubt though.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.

Sopheee, how dare you revisit that past. Shame.. shame.

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

I really can’t understand how a professional baseball team can play a 3 game series and average around an earned run a game.

But enough about the Dodgers…

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
10:52 am

AT – I don’t think Detroit, or anyone else would even consider Uggla, without Braves paying most of his salary…something they WILL NOT do.

You are the biggest serial offender of the “someone else will be glad to take our undesirables” faction. If he’s so bad that we desparately need to dump him, then why would another GM do us a big favor, and take him off of our hands?

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:52 am

A repost that deserves to be reposted again? Man, it’s gotta be good!

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
10:52 am

Craig Calcaterra, after discussing Chipper’s sausage:

The Braves have road series remaining against the Marlins, the Phillies and the Pirates. Any guesses as to what they give him? The Phillies will probably do well. Not sure about the Pirates. I figure the Marlins will give him a gift card for gas or something because Loria goes all out.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:52 am

Calling me stupid changes nothing Efrim. It does, however prove you to be a total douche.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
10:53 am

If I remember correctly, we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.

Geeeze, Nate…

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
10:54 am

Greinke… I should add, pretty, pretty girls in Orange County. Pretty girls on the beaches, pretty girls in the malls… pretty girls everywhere (almost as many as there are illegals).

Don’t know if Greinke has a wifey or tight girlfriend, but he gotta like those pretty, pretty California girls.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
10:56 am

Greinke isn’t good enough to be a #3… Minor’s better than him :roll:

George_George

September 13th, 2012
10:56 am

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:36 am
And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.
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S/O Lew
a couple of days ago in a post I said I was wrong about criticizeing FREDI for running MINOR out there every 5 days to get beat up on. I also said MINOR has developed into a fine pitcher.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
10:56 am

Calling me stupid changes nothing Efrim. It does, however prove you to be a total douche.

This sort of comment: And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.

Is going to get you that sort of response, Lew. You should know better after all these years. I don’t push unless someone starts with me.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
10:58 am

You’re not letting me get away with it? WTF are you going to do? Send me to bed without my supper? Whatever. I guess my next comment should be you’re not the boss of me? Only if I wanted to be as juvelnile as you.

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
10:59 am

The other day Jayson Stark looked at two way playoff possibilities – today he ponders 3 team options:

Let’s lay out just one potential scenario for you.

Say the Cardinals, Dodgers and Brewers all tie. Thanks to rules way too convoluted to run through here, the Brewers, at least for the moment, would get to pick the format of a three-way tiebreaker. They could choose to play two home games to decide that spot or one road game. And we’d guess they’d opt to play once, not twice. So …

On the day after the end of the season (Thursday, Oct. 4), the Cardinals and Dodgers would play a tiebreaker game. That game, for now, would be played in Los Angeles (because the Dodgers lead that season series 4-3 heading into the four-game series between those teams in L.A. this weekend).

So that would set up this potential schedule:

Thursday: Cardinals at Dodgers
Friday: Brewers at Cardinals, or Brewers at Dodgers
Saturday: Winner of tiebreaker at Braves
Sunday: Wild-card survivor hosts Reds or Nationals

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
11:01 am

Now, now, boys (Efrim and Lew), let’s have a Kumbaya moment and save our fire for the dolts and dopes who post here when the sledding gets rough for our beloved Atlanta Braves.

And think how smiley and happy Greinke is in California play land, huh? ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:01 am

Don’t know if Greinke has a wifey or tight girlfriend, but he gotta like those pretty, pretty California girls.

He does have a wife… the very lovely Emily Kuchar (Ms. Daytona Beach 2008). She’d fit right in with the rest of the lovely ATL ladies. ;)

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
11:01 am

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
11:02 am

You’re not letting me get away with it?

You think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke. Okay. Give me something more than 12 starts to prove your point. If you think these 12 starts mean that he’s better, then I have a tough time with that given the sample. And I’d like you to also justify calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter”. Even just lookin gat his ERA doesn’t prove that unless you think a #3 is a 3.80 ERA – which is not the case. And of course, just using ERA and nothing else has to be how you support your case, right? Please.

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
11:02 am

He does have a wife… the very lovely Emily Kuchar (Ms. Daytona Beach 2008). She’d fit right in with the rest of the lovely ATL ladies.

Poor Greinke. In the southern California candy shop and all he can do is browse! ;)

Sopheee

September 13th, 2012
11:02 am

That’s nothing, Arky. The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets in the midst of our collapse little losing streak.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
11:03 am

Efrim – All I did was to point out facts and you got all pissed off – like you usually do when someone dares to take a different stance than yours. I should know better? Whatever. I’m waypast the age of needing a mentor to teach me what I supposedly don’t know – but if I were looking for one, it wouldn’;t have been you.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
11:07 am

something they WILL NOT do. – raleighbravefan

In all due respect, I think your extremely way off base here thinking we’d have to pay any of it to move him. I don’t think we would. As far as saying he’s got no value? I’ve never once said that, but he does have more value in certain types of situations. One being that the Tigers wouldn’t look to him as their big run producer, nor would they have to with the lineup they could run out there day after day unlike the Braves where they strictly went all in hoping he’d be the run producer they were missing.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
11:08 am

Craig Calcaterra, after discussing Chipper’s sausage:

You don’t think there was a better way to word that? :)

George_George

September 13th, 2012
11:08 am

We lost last night. What is it with this Simmons kid? He sits out week after week with a broken finger, then in his second day back he goes down again with a ankle. Is he injurey prone? Don’t they teach how to slide in ST or low minors?

Lew

September 13th, 2012
11:09 am

No – YOU asked if I thought that and whai replied was that since the All Star break, the numbers say that he is better.

Right now with the way Minor has been pitching (and I don’t know how you can claim that he’s been anything but quite good), he’s given up less earned runs (by a fairly large margin) than Greinke in similar IP and equal starts since the All Star break.

I’ve alsso said thai have no idea if it will continue or iff Minor will develop further. But, he’s been showing much more than you and others have expected ince he was signed.

And obsessive? OK, maybe that was a tad bit over the top, but to me (and others here), it’s certainly appeared that you have not only disagreed with him being drafted number seven, but you’ve gone out of your way to rail about it ewver since he was drad and you seemingly aren’t pleased that he’s improved.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
11:10 am

The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets

That was 2 years ago. Unless there was another instance. I just remember Bobby leaving Lowe in while the Mets scored at will and the scoreboard people had to figure out how to add triple digits to a single inning.

Sopheee

September 13th, 2012
11:10 am

What is it with this Simmons kid?

Welcome to the club, Andrelton.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:10 am

The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets in the midst of our collapse little losing streak.

Or even against the Phillies in game 161…. while Fredi sat there and watched. Oh, and DLowe gave up his runs by the 2nd….

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
11:12 am

Dadgum….
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am

Richbrave….I don’t see Heyward manning CF full time. Ever. He is OK defensively but not CF material except in emergencies. Given a strong FA group in CF that is the only route I see the Braves going for that position. I agree that Bourn lands elsewhere. Probably the Nats. The Braves will end up with an impact player in CF no doubt though…..”

HEYWARD in CF….laughable. Won’t happen. I was pointing out just where we are without BOURN. Something I think we must accept. No, I’m agreeing with you that we need a major talent in CF next year because it will be empty, and there’s nothing on the shelf to replace him.

MIKE MORSE in LF next year for the BRAVES would be nice. Of course, I’ve liked him every since I first noticed him in a NATS uniform. He’s due $7 million however on the back end of a two-year deal. FA after that at 31 years of age. Prolly not an option.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
11:12 am

And you can’t judge a pitcher by how many earned runs he gives up? When was the last time a game was decided by comparing how many strikeouts each pitcher had?

David O'Brien

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am

Quite possible the worst bullpen management I’ve ever seen!

DOB would it be to much toask for you to not throw softballs at FG tonight and ask WTF HE IS DOING!!!!!!!! — Ric Flair to Right

Yes, it would be too much to ask, since I was sitting in my living room in Atlanta while the postgame press conference was taking place in Milwaukee.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am

Poor Greinke. In the southern California candy shop and all he can do is browse!

Great malls, people, fans, and schools in Georgia! My fandom alone makes it worth it for Zack to come here!

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am

All I did was to point out facts and you got all pissed off – like you usually do when someone dares to take a different stance than yours

Mike Minor has a career 4.56 ERA, 87 ERA+. Zack Greinke has a career 3.80 ERA, 113 ERA+.

Just pointing out all of the facts and you got all pissed off and decided to go with this comment:

And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.

What reaction would you expect? You bailed on stats and went to comparing me to Robert’s obsession with Bobby Cox.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am

George George – he sounds like a real wuss. I can’t believe he doesn’t work every day, even with a sprained ankle.

Hey, remember that time you went into work on Christmas with a concussion, a cracked spine, and cholera?

David O'Brien

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am

George is so obsessed with DOB’s schedule, that there is a BOLO out on him for stalking. — raleighbravefan

Hasn’t gotten to that point, but would anyone be shocked if it did? I mean, seriously. I wouldn’t.

Sopheee

September 13th, 2012
11:14 am

There was a game last year where we lost 12-2 and Lowe lasted two innings and gave up 6 runs. All I remember is before I could even sit down the Mets had 4 runs in the first.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
11:14 am

Yes, it would be too much to ask, since I was sitting in my living room in Atlanta while the postgame press conference was taking place in Milwaukee.

Yeah well….you should’ve called!!

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
11:17 am

I was waiting to see who’d take the bait…

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
11:17 am

But, he’s been showing much more than you and others have expected ince he was signed.

You don’t get it. A 4.56 career ERA, 87 OPS+ is exactly what I expected. He has a mid-rotation starter ceiling. I’ve said that since day one. You can look back through the blog archives.

CB

September 13th, 2012
11:19 am

DOB, a poor excuse is better than none!

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
11:19 am

Hey, O’BRIEN get up off the sofa and hop a jet….at your own expense, Ric Flair wants some hard-ball questions asked of FG.

Say maybe……..CHRIS MATHEWS instead!

Yeah, Ric how about that?

HEH!

DAVID: Just trying to highlight how ludicrous that stateemnt to you was. Not taking any shot at anyone other than RicFlair.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
11:19 am

Okay, I’m getting a headache… can we quit talking about DLowe?

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
11:19 am

ERA+. Whoops.

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
11:21 am

What is it with this Simmons kid? He sits out week after week with a broken finger, then in his second day back he goes down again with a ankle. Is he injurey prone? Don’t they teach how to slide in ST or low minors?

Fundamentals taught? Not like they used to, my dear, DOB-obsessed Jorge_Jorge.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:21 am

A rotation of 5 Mike Minor’s is so much better than one with 5 Greinke’s in it…. in fact, we should go with 5 young ‘uns in our rotation next year, sign Bourn to a 5yr deal at 16mil each since he fills so many holes :roll: , and let Juan start at 3rd and have Prado play every day. Sounds perfect.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
11:21 am

And you can’t judge a pitcher by how many earned runs he gives up?

Never said you can’t, but it shouldn’t be the only thing you’re looking at. I’d rather look at all of it as oppose to just focusing on ERA. Heck, that’s why I think Minor is better than a 4.56.

Sopheee

September 13th, 2012
11:24 am

Okay, I’m getting a headache… can we quit talking about DLowe?

I know the feeling, Greinke does the same thing to me.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
11:25 am

Efrim – OK, well I guess if you want a piece of me for that comparison, I don’t live all that far from you. Personally, I’d as soon take you out to dinner, but I’ll give you one shot if that’s what you think is fair.

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
11:27 am

The Greinke versus Minor thing is somewhat interesting, but really… It’s kinda blowing in the wind.

Yes, Greinke could come to Atlanta. I suppose Wren may make a play for him. But I really do think that the Angels have the inside track to retain Greinke’s services. Big budget that can fairly easily absorb the high dollar, long term deal that Greinke wants.

I wager Greinke stays right where he is. Don’t see all the Greinke-to-Atlanta chatter as connected to the reality of the situation.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
11:29 am

AT – Why would Detroit pay him big $$$ if he isn’t a big run producer? Seriously, it doesn’t add up to me…AT ALL.

O.M.G.

September 13th, 2012
11:31 am

What’s a BOLO?

Jeff R

September 13th, 2012
11:33 am

What’s a BOLO?

A tie, western-wear. ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:33 am

Quite often when Greinke is brought up, an argument starts…. involving Minor as well. Why?

Lew

September 13th, 2012
11:34 am

BOLO – Be on the lookout, or a rope with balls on it that Argentinian gauchos (cowboys) use to stop cattle by throwing it around their legs.

O.M.G.

September 13th, 2012
11:37 am

OK got it. Carry on.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
11:39 am

Lew is right…I meant Be On the Lookout. I guess I read too many Michael Connelly books. :)

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
11:39 am

Mike Minor has certainly made great strides this year ,as has medlen,and Delgado.Hudson has battled through some nagging injuries as has Hanson.Beachy damn it all was my ace.
Greinke can pitch for whomever can afford him we can’t.
The right piece is out there I trust Wren to find that piece.In my mind we need a fireballer to throw batters off during the course of a series to go with our “surgical”staff

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
11:41 am

Fireballers aren’t the answer necessarily. Though if we had Greinke, he’d be the closest thing to a fireballer that we’d have. He throws harder than any of our starters.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
11:43 am

raleighbravefan – Like I said, he’s a very good complimentary piece in the lineup. But he’s in no way shape or form the main piece which is something the Braves were wanting him to be and something the Tiger’s wouldn’t need him to be.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
11:44 am

Greinke will be in SoCal next year.

I know this will throw many in a tizzy, including my friend scoots, but I would be OK with Huddy (post bone spur op), Minor, Medlen, Maholm, and the best of Teheran, Delgodo, Sheets, and Signable. In 2014, we would have Beachy back, and probably Graham, as well.

I would rather spend money on bats (OF), bench, and BP. If a trade for a top pitcher becomes available, that’s great, too.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
11:45 am

AT – I’m done with that horse, but I will agree to strongly disagree.

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
11:51 am

@raleigh that sounds like a good take on it to me

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
11:58 am

Looking at Grienke’s wife, she is the perfect fit for Southern California

Lew

September 13th, 2012
12:00 pm

Pretty much agree with chipontheroad. Whether we think Greinke is a one, two or three starter, we won’t be able to afford him and the pitching we already have is none too shabby to bein with.

Seems to me that more times than not, when we lose this year it’s because of an offense that tends to run hot and cold and NOT because the pitching has been bad.

Is Swisher the answer? I used to want him added to our outfield to the exclusion of all others – power hitting Switch hitter who could hit whether in a hitter’s park like Yankee Stadium or Oakland’s more spacious park. But he’s getting older, won’t come cheap and seems to have hit his peak. He’s still good, but would likely hit less HR in Atlanta and his RBI totals are likely at least somewhat attributable to the higher powered offense of the Yankees. I’m not nearly as certainof him as I was a couple years ago.

Not sure who else might be on Wren’s Radar, but it’s consistent offense we need and not more pitching – especially with the bullpen we still will have next year.

JRW

September 13th, 2012
12:00 pm

Interesting USA Today article by Bob Nightingale…

The Philadelphia Phillies, who not only were given their last rites six weeks ago but ordered their own casket at the trade deadline, these days have National League teams wondering if they’re seeing a ghost.

The Phillies, winners of seven consecutive games and 15 of their last 19, have crept within three games of the St. Louis Cardinals in the wild-card race.

Just as hot are the Milwaukee Brewers, who entered Wednesday night four games behind the Cardinals, despite trading ace Zack Greinke at the non-waiver deadline.

“Everybody better watch out for the Phillies,” Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker told USA TODAY Sports. “Those guys know how to take it. They’re playing some ball now, and with that pitching, man, they can scare you.”

The Phillies, 14 games below .500 on July 13, dumped starting outfielders Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino at the deadline, along with starter Joe Blanton, thinking they were done for the season.

Someone forgot to send the memo to the players.

Instead of preparing for 2013, they’re gearing up for another October run and a sixth consecutive year in the postseason. If the Phillies get into the playoffs, Detroit Tigers president/GM David Dombrowski says, they just might find themselves playing in the World Series.

“What happens if they sneak in?” says Dombrowski, raising his eyebrows. “[Cole] Hamels, [Roy] Halladay, [Cliff] Lee. I don’t think you can sit back and say, “This is easy series.’

The Brewers’ resurgence — they’ve won of 17 of their last 22 — has been just as stunning. The front office gave up hope, just like the Phillies did, when they traded Greinke to the Los Angeles Angels. Yet here they are, sniffing the playoffs, while the Cardinals (4-11), Los Angeles Dodgers (6-11) and Pittsburgh Pirates (2-10) are slumping.

“We’re realistic where we are and know we have to keep playing unbelievable baseball,” the Brewers’ Ryan Braun said. “But by no means is it impossible. We look at what the Cardinals did (with a September rally) last year as inspiration.”

The Cardinals pulled off one of the most improbable comebacks in baseball history last year, trailing the Atlanta Braves by 10 ½ games on Aug. 25, only to win 23 of their final 31 games to reach the postseason, and ultimately win the World Series.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:02 pm

I would rather spend money on bats (OF), bench, and BP. If a trade for a top pitcher becomes available, that’s great, too.

Bench and BP will be cheap next year…. probably under 15mil combined. With most of the money going to the ‘pen. I think we can have a good bench for about 6-7mil.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:05 pm

Looking at Grienke’s wife, she is the perfect fit for Southern California

She was Ms. Daytona Beach, not Long Beach. Better fit on the east coast :)

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
12:08 pm

Huddy at 38 (and I love that guy) and Medlen with his 30 or so career starts fronting the rotation, against Halladay/Lee, Strasburg/Zimmerman, Dickey/Santana (or Niese, for that matter), just for openers, plus various other two-headed monsters in the league.

Medlen may be Maddux reincarnate, but I’d kinda like to see him do it for a full season before he gets thrown into gladiator school. raleigh’s projected staff isn’t bad, not at all, but I think it makes some assumptions that have a fairly large margin of error. That leads to a fairly small margin of error in terms of performance.

I’m no huge fan of most names thrown around here, when it comes to front-line pitchers, and I have no idea of who might be available (other the FAs). But I think there is a big hole at the top of the rotation. The team looks to have good depth in the rotation, though, so maybe that can overcome the lack of a top guy. I just hate for that to be Plan A.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
12:12 pm

Is Swisher the answer?

I think I’ve read that the Yanks want him back, or at least are willing to present him a qual-offer… so in addition to contract costs, Swisher would also cost a first round draft pick. If the team is wise and merely offers a qual to bourn, going after some other teams qual offer player evens out. But I’d hate to see this team spin away draft picks for aging players. It’s just a bad way to go.

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
12:14 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:05 pm

Looking at Grienke’s wife, she is the perfect fit for Southern California

She was Ms. Daytona Beach, not Long Beach. Better fit on the east coast :)

Look at what she does for a living. More opportunities for her in LA, than in ATL, plus he’s happy pitching there. A win/win for both of them

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
12:15 pm

I think I’ve read that the Yanks want him back,

Geez, I hope so. I’ll send money, if it will help.

Swisher in LF, some scrub in CF, and Medlen on the bump for Opening Day. I’d be counting the days until playoff tix went on sale. Mercy.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
12:16 pm

Huddy at 38 (and I love that guy) and Medlen with his 30 or so career starts fronting the rotation

You know, you don’t have to pick on Medlen for this. There’s Polished. There’s Hanson with his blown shoulder and 88mph FB. There’s Delgado and his less than 30 MLStarts, Teheran and his less than 10 ML starts, Beachy (returning from surgery) and less than 30 ML starts, Gilmartin and no ML starts, Jurrjens (if not released) and his injury issues…. It isn’t just the idea of Huddy and Medlen fronting a rotation. It’s the idea that there isn’t anyone ideal to front this rotation next year without an acquisition.

Murph

September 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

I would rather spend money on bats (OF), bench, and BP. If a trade for a top pitcher becomes available, that’s great, too.

This.

Or, to extrapolate a bit more on my aforementioned “this” agreement, the team is going to have some major offensive holes next year when Chipper and Bourn are gone. Prado, Heyward, and Freeman can only do so much, Simmons can’t be counted on for much, Uggla is Uggla and will struggle mightily, etc etc etc. The team needs to score runs to win. Doesn’t matter if they have a team ERA of 3.00 if they are only scoring two runs per game.

McCann will be in a contract year, which might help to will his broken-down body into performing well for more than 25 games a season. So we have that going for us.

I’d like an “ace”, but I’d like the team to have a competitive offense more.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

…and Medlen on the bump for Opening

Medlen’s success really bums you out doesn’t it? ( : I picture you standing there during every Medlen game, in pure agony: “Why won’t he just die. Die already! Die. Die!

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

You know, you don’t have to pick on Medlen for this.

Absolutely true. Nobody else on the staff I’d want at the front, either. I chose Medlen simply because he is the most blog-beloved. :-)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

Huddy/Medlen as our 1-2 doesn’t compare to quite a few of the 1-2s in the NL East, let alone all of the MLB. Injured/struggling + a guy with under 30 career starts. They’ll be going up against proven + proven on other staffs.

Yikes.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

Our BP and Bench are pretty well set. I don’t see much need to go out and sign anyone for the pen. We’ve got a lot of good options down there now and a few in the minors that could fill any holes. I’d see about extending EOF and possibly Martinez outside of that, with Venters, Kimbrel, Gearrin, Avilan, Moylan, Cordier, Varvaro and a few in the minors gives us plenty of options. The bench is kinda the same way as long as we extend Ross, we’ve got options of Francisco(if he’s not the starter at 3rd), Janish, Pastornicky, plus we may extend Johnson.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
12:19 pm

I chose Medlen simply because he is the most blog-beloved.

There seemed to be a pretty big boost in Polished’s blogmance this morning…

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:21 pm

10Paul at 12:16 Great post

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:22 pm

Huddy/Medlen as our 1-2 doesn’t compare to quite a few of the 1-2s in the NL East, let alone all of the MLB.

But it sure would with a Greinke or Haren right in front of them.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
12:22 pm

Medlen’s success really bums you out doesn’t it?

Actually, I love the kid. Who wouldn’t? And you know me better than to think I’d wish failure on someone, simply because of my opinion of the player. I hope he turns out to be the guy everybody but me thinks he is, LOL. That would be a good thing.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
12:24 pm

She was Ms. Daytona Beach, not Long Beach. Better fit on the east coast

And with the Braves she can be Ms. Lake Lanier!

McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:

September 13th, 2012
12:25 pm

McCann will be in a contract year, which might help to will his broken-down body into performing well for more than 25 games a season.

Hot dang, Murph

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:25 pm

I’d see about extending EOF and possibly Martinez

Not Martinez…. ever looked at his oppo. stat lines? They are horrible. But we can just bring up a guy from AAA to take his spot. The bench and ‘pen are all set for next year. Just gotta decide if we’re resigning Ross, Johnson, and Durbin. I think at least 2 will be back, if not all 3.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:27 pm

But it sure would with a Greinke or Haren right in front of them.

Agreed.

It’s the idea that there isn’t anyone ideal to front this rotation next year without an acquisition.

Minor, ya know, the guy that’s better than Greinke, he can front this rotation… :roll:

No Flag Since Lemke

September 13th, 2012
12:28 pm

If the Braves flame out again and Mr. Wren pays the price for his smug “stand pat” strategy (which he should), my advice to his successor worth every dime he’s paying for it….

Protect a corps of eight players – Heyward, Prado and Simmons along with Beachy, Kimbral, Medlin, Minor and O’Flaherty and go get some guys with fire in their belly – people like who play all 27 outs and all four at bats.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
12:28 pm

There seemed to be a pretty big boost in Polished’s blogmance this morning…

Yeah, he’s been gettin’ some love since the break. Deservedly. Kid looked into the abyss and not only kept himself from falling in, but also found a shovel and started filling up the hole. Good on him.

Doesn’t mean I want him matched up with Clayton Kershaw and the like.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
12:29 pm

Protect a corps of eight players – Heyward, Prado and Simmons along with Beachy, Kimbral, Medlin, Minor

…..that’s what Wren has done

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:30 pm

I’m not a big Durbin supporter, although he has been useful at time this year but he’d be one I’d let walk. I just couldn’t justify throwing that much money at him with all of the options we’d have available. Martinez wouldn’t be anything more than a whipping boy for the blow out games.

ChattTownBrian

September 13th, 2012
12:30 pm

Now we know how important Bourn is. See what happens when he doesn’t hit? And I wouldn’t resign him unless he went for something less than 10 mill. That isn’t happening, obviously. So he’s gone and that’s okay. You have to play for a full season and I think he’s proven he can easily wear down.

I would sit him against lefties from here on out if I’m manager and let Reed get some more PA’s.

CB

September 13th, 2012
12:32 pm

I believe Medlen is just enough of a scatterbrain to not care how anybody labels him,probably doesn’t care who is standing in batter’s box and most assuredly does not worry one iota what people here think of him. :-)

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:32 pm

Kid looked into the abyss and not only kept himself from falling in, but also found a shovel and started filling up the hole.

Nicely said.

ChattTownBrian

September 13th, 2012
12:33 pm

Now the only problem sitting Bourn is the defense you’d lose in center. That sucks, but Reed I think is okay there and offense has been the biggest problem lately. What’s your biggest flaw right now should be the thinking.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:34 pm

Go get Gentry… he solves 2 major issues for next season.

1. Servers as our CF
2. Hits lefties very well.

ChattTownBrian

September 13th, 2012
12:37 pm

CB, Medlen just seems hyper. Listening to interviews and some ways he acts makes me think he has ADD. That actually might help him with his pitching though like you say. Not real clear headed maybe.

No Flag Since Lemke

September 13th, 2012
12:40 pm

Protect a corps of eight players – Heyward, Prado and Simmons along with Beachy, Kimbral, Medlin, Minor

…..that’s what Wren has done

Yes along with a bunch of under achievers in the rotation, at several positions and on the bench.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:40 pm

One guy that might work out well for our bench next season if we’re able to retain Johnson, might be Freddy Sanchez.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
12:40 pm

Like I said – Whatever you think of Greinke, he ain’t coming to Atlanta.

Seems to me that with the needs we have (two outfield positions or 3B/outfield), that we need to address them and if we were to sign someone who will make what Greinke will, we will not have the money to fill those positions which would leave us trade as an option.

Does anyone here truly believe we have enough talent in the minors to fill two positions adequately (and by that I mean good enough players that all we hear wouldn’t be constant bitching). I’m just not seeing it.

Apparently no one wants to leave Prado in LF and to put Juan Francisco at third, but if we signed someone for Greinke bucks, that’s likely what you’d end up with after picking up Pagan for CF. So what will happen is FW might trade for Shields (we could pul this off), which would improve the rotation and leave us with enough money left over to actually make a dent in LF and CF.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:42 pm

Sanchez would have to prove to be healthy though and I’d sign him for the league min.

Mitchell

September 13th, 2012
12:42 pm

Bronke

September 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

You guys should be watching Turner Classic Movie channel. More exciting watching Lauren Bacall. Now that is a real woman,! Sorry to distract from the game but the Braves piss me off too much to watch.

I like this. Thumbs up.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
12:42 pm

Or he could trade for one outfielder?3B and get the other through Free Agency and let the pitching staff shake out however it does.

beachcomber

September 13th, 2012
12:45 pm

Does anyone here truly believe we have enough talent in the minors to fill two positions adequately (and by that I mean good enough players that all we hear wouldn’t be constant bitching). I’m just not seeing it.

Not me, buddy!

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
12:48 pm

if we were to sign someone who will make what Greinke will

That would rule out Bourn as well. And I’d be fine with not signing Bourn long term.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

TenPaul – Given Bourn’s scond half, I’d rather have Pagan in there and find that Thumper for LF. Never been that big a Pagan fan, but he’s having a pretty good year and will play some seriously good defense.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

we will not have the money to fill those positions which would leave us trade as an option….. Does anyone here truly believe we have enough talent in the minors to fill two positions adequately

Nope, that’s why I make these moves this winter.
I’d move Uggla to Detroit in some type of package that would net us Infante, McCann and Garcia. I’d give Infante a chance to hold 2nd and see if Garcia would be ready to take LF. I’d use the money saved to sign someone like Greinke or Haren to serve as our ace at the top of the rotation.
I work with Texas on a Gentry trade allowing him to man CF.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:53 pm

Lew: If we trade for Shields, who can we get? There aren’t many intriguing CF/LF to get via free agency. If we trade for Shields, we’ll lose quite a few prospects, likely meaning that we won’t be able to fill those positions via trade as well.

if we were to sign someone who will make what Greinke will

Bourn will make that much, if not more… you have said that you want us to re-sign him.

George_George

September 13th, 2012
12:53 pm

David O’Brien

September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Quite possible the worst bullpen management I’ve ever seen!

DOB would it be to much toask for you to not throw softballs at FG tonight and ask WTF HE IS DOING!!!!!!!! — Ric Flair to Right

Yes, it would be too much to ask, since I was sitting in my living room in Atlanta while the postgame press conference was taking place in Milwaukee
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Enjoying yet another mini-vacation

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
12:54 pm

I still entertain platooning uggla with juan and pastornicky at 3rd and 2nd with a smattering of Marteeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:55 pm

Given Bourn’s scond half,

Bourjos ain’t looking so bad now… he’d hit roughly the same as what Bourn is doing right now. He’d still play great defense all while costing 600k or so. It shouldn’t cost much to trade for him

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
12:58 pm

Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick
Got a comment today from a reader griping about our excessive #orioles coverage. I guess there’s a first for everything.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
12:58 pm

I think the worst possible thing that could happen is to see us miss the playoffs with the Phillies making it….

cdog

September 13th, 2012
12:59 pm

the air company known as the atlanta braves are a waste of time.they won”t swing their bats but just sit there, take pitches right down the middle, try to guess what pitch is coming,when you guess you lose more times than you win and give the opposing pitcher, a 1-2 count before they decide to swing.michael bourne is killing the braves along martin prado who only hits when the game is not on the line.the player trying to get to the post season is jason heyward.for all of you who thinks the braves will make the post season you are wishing upon a star.as long as this group of characters along with incompetent manager, freddie gonzalez is there, you will be heartt-broken again.playoffs? not going to happen. too many losers on the team.

MFin04

September 13th, 2012
1:00 pm

Apparently no one wants to play the Braves in the wild card game. They should just give us the Wild Card at this rate and not make us play anyone. Ridiculous that you can win the Wild Card by 10 games and still have to play in a play-in game.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:01 pm

Even with Bourn’s bad 2nd half slump he’s still in line for a nice pay day. But his late season struggles are making his price drop by the day. I still say he will get atleast 13 million a season.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
1:01 pm

Another possible option for LF might be Cody Ross.

MFin04

September 13th, 2012
1:02 pm

“think the worst possible thing that could happen is to see us miss the playoffs with the Phillies making it….”

Nothing like completely selling your team at the trade deadline and still winning the wild card eh?

Complete opposite of the Dodgers. Kinda, actually, VERY funny.

CB

September 13th, 2012
1:02 pm

Fangraphs has Angel Pagan as the most underrated player in baseball, I would agree with them. I would love Braves sign him and let someone else overbid for Bourn. Best bet for Braves filling other needs are via trade. Good LF and one solid pitcher would be fitting bill for our top concerns.

George_George

September 13th, 2012
1:03 pm

MFin04

September 13th, 2012
1:00 pm
Apparently no one wants to play the Braves in the wild card game. They should just give us the Wild Card at this rate and not make us play anyone. Ridiculous that you can win the Wild Card by 10 games and still have to play in a play-in game
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YUP

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:04 pm

raleighbravesfan:

Thanx raleigh. We’re still seeing dr. after dr. with no results. But they’ve done enough blood-work to give a transplant. High blood platelet counts. Something called ESR and ANA which is supposed to be around 20 and her’s in 126.

Some type of rare auto-immune disease evidently, and something she’s probably had all her life. Boils and sores come and go over her entire body, but mostly on her legs and feet.

Course of treatment pretty non-existant too. Got to find out what we’re dealing with first. Thanx for thinking of her. She can use a little outside influence with our maker, prayers help.

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

I hope Bourn wants to be a Brave for a few more years ,If he has a red cap next year I will be bummbed and will take a disgusted and hearty boo and direct it at LM

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

“Apparently no one wants to play the Braves in the wild card game. They should just give us the Wild Card at this rate and not make us play anyone. Ridiculous that you can win the Wild Card by 10 games and still have to play in a play-in game.”

Not only that, but the Braves will probably lose that play-in game as well!

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

When did rich become the ghost of chipper? Guess I’ve missed a few things.

Sorry to read about the wife, you can bet you two will be in my thoughts and prayers.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:07 pm

Another possible option for LF might be Cody Ross

Don’t think the Red Sox let him walk. He’ll be quite expensive too, given the year he had. MLBTR said he might get a bigger deal than Willingham did.

Ridiculous that you can win the Wild Card by 10 games and still have to play in a play-in game.

You have to win your division :roll:

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:08 pm

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:09 pm

Not only that, but the Braves will probably lose that play-in game as well!

And we probably will win it as well. 50-50 chance. Wish it were a series, but whatever… gotta deal with it. Just hope Selig moves us to the NL West next year!

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:11 pm

AT:

Couple of blog articles back AT. Just a temp to honor the imminant departing of one great BRAVE who will soon be that, and in our memories only. Enjoy every game he plays in.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:11 pm

There is just so many ways Frank Wren can go this offseason. We have some valuable young talent to go along with quite a bit of money to work with as well. But we won’t be improving this roster, we’ll be trying to replace big pieces… On paper this will be a worse ball club. Alot depends on if Heyward and Freeman can take the next step. Also throw in can Uggla produce and what about McCann…. But still we have to replace Chipper and Bourn, safe to say were not gonna be upgrade those spots as I said.

O.M.G.

September 13th, 2012
1:12 pm

Ghost, more prayer coming your way.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:13 pm

AT:

And thanx for the thought.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
1:13 pm

And the broken record award (what’s a record?) in the “it ain’t going to happen” category, goes to….wait, it’s a tie:

AT, for “trade Uggla to Detroit”, and TOBF for “sign Greinke”. Please hold your applause…

MFin04

September 13th, 2012
1:14 pm

Just hope Selig moves us to the NL West next year!

Exactly. That is the part that bothers me. The NL East is by far the best division in the league and it isn’t even close. To penalize a team for not winning it’s division, but having a better record than another division winner is absurd. Way too much of a penalty for the first wild card.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
1:14 pm

OnlyBrave – NO, If you read a few posts above, you’ll see that I have no desire to re-sign Bourn since he’s fallen so far off the second half and you might remember that I’ve been the one claiming he hasn’t ut up a career year. I re-evaluated because of current performance.

Honestly, I’m not sure what I’d do. I’m not overly thirilled with the prospect of BJ Upton (good year, but I’m suspicious of his behavior and walk year breakouts), Victorino (what’s left in his tank?) or frankly with signing Pagan, though he costs less than the others and will give decent offense and good defense.

But one of those options might be better than what’s available at the corners – just not seeing that boomer we all seem to be looking for – can’t afford Hamilton any more than Bourn or Greinke – and Swisher is getting older and past his prime (and it appears the Yankees want him back).

I’m just not seeing the wherewithall (cash or trade bait) to fill both outfield positions and get a front line starter. There’s enough of both to fill all positions, but there will almost certainly be a hue and cry, much wailing, moaning, groaning and outright bitching about at least two of the three acquisitions. Bank on that.

That leaves trade and I just don’t see more than one piece coming to us with the bait we have.

tony austin

September 13th, 2012
1:14 pm

George_George – I accrue what is known as Paid Time Off, but that bank has a limit of 240 hours. I’m sitting at 222.64 hours right now, so in a couple of pay periods I am going to be at my max. If I don’t use them I lose them so I’m going to have to take a day off every pay period, probably wrapped around a weekend, for a few pay periods until I decide to take a week off or whatever.

Since you see to be obsessed over the time DOB “takes off”, I wanted to clear it with you about me taking some days off since sometimes it will be 4 days in a row. Please let me know what you think.

Thank you.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:14 pm

O.M.G. and others:

Thank you all. The folks here are special to me . An extended family if you will. I appreciate the kind thoughts.

the Ghost of Chipper Jones

September 13th, 2012
1:15 pm

Time for more dr. stuff. later.

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
1:15 pm

“And we probably will win it as well. 50-50 chance.”

Not really, given the way pitchers are easily shutting down the Braves bats. More like a 25-75 chance, if that.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
1:15 pm

Delete the last line of that post – I edited and forgot to remove it.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
1:19 pm

Ghost – Thinking of you and yours and sending out as much positive energy as I can. Hang tough.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:19 pm

I think that Wren should focus on bringing in multiple solid to good players instead of 1 great to elite player.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:21 pm

Not a huge Pagan fan, but I’m okay with him in CF on a two year deal and for us to go get a banger in LF. Pagan isn’t the most instinctive player, but he’s solid.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:22 pm

Delete the last line? I was about to use it!

That leaves trade and I just don’t see more than one piece coming to us with the bait we have

Which is why I’m for Greinke… would rather trade for a bat than for just an SP and have to try to fill LF and CF with aging/underwhelming free agents.

Agree with you on Bourn… it took a while, but you came to the right decision.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
1:23 pm

Blog award for most obsessive (winning over formidable competition), goes to George, aka George_George, for his fixation on DOB’s work schedule. He already won for “most ridiculous thing to be concerned about on the blog” award. Word is that he’s already warming up for next year’s competition.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:23 pm

If the team is wise and merely offers a qual to bourn, going after some other teams qual offer player evens out. But I’d hate to see this team spin away draft picks for aging players. It’s just a bad way to go.

Wouldn’t surprise me. We’ve given up three draft picks for three players over the age of 36 years old in Tom Glavine, Derek Lowe and Billy Wagner in Frank Wren’s tenure. Could definitely see that happen again in Swisher, eseocially with Wren playing the card of us getting a draft pick for Bourn. To me, the two shouldn’t be associated. Giving up a draft pick for an aging player is not smart.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:24 pm

It isn’t just the idea of Huddy and Medlen fronting a rotation. It’s the idea that there isn’t anyone ideal to front this rotation next year without an acquisition.

Well stated.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
1:25 pm

And maybe with enough time (if all of us can abide you by then), you’ll come to the conclusion Greinke ain’t coming to Atlanta no matter how much you love him.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:26 pm

When replacing Bourn I think Defense should be at the top of the list for what were looking for. We can add offense at 3rd or LF. Wren is gonna explore all options for sure and Prado gives us that option. Hell Wren might even kick the tires and see how much we’d have to eat to say good bye to Uggla. Who knows. But Prado is easily capable of playing everyday at 3 different positions so that gives us tons of flexibility.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
1:26 pm

MFin – As it stands today, all 3 division winners have a better record than us…we would still be the WC team. However, don’t let the facts get in your way of a good whine.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
1:27 pm

I’m out of here – got the bank rep coming by late this afternoon with the paperwork to refi the Orlando place and need to do some house cleaning. Later. Have fun.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:28 pm

Notice Minors high number of K’s?I think he sits at about 91 to 93.I don’t think they teach it to much any more.(See dart thrower on our staff)But back in the stone age,they tought you to come over the top,so that you would hide the ball,some of us learned that by twisting your hip a little, that the ball was harder to pick up by the hitter.In my case it got my lower half more envolved,increasing my velocity.Well Minors has these things,and at the risk of having Lews wrath upon me,I think Minors ceiling is higher then he thinks.Barring injury I believe Medlen,Beachy and Minor will rival the former Holy trinity,that the Braves once had.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:28 pm

Prado and Heyward should be locked up ASAP as well.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:30 pm

Pagan isn’t the most instinctive player, but he’s solid.

Swisher in LF, Pagan in CF, and Medlen on the bump. Opening Day’s getting better all the time. :-)

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:31 pm

Notice Minors high number of K’s?I think he sits at about 91 to 93

Doesn’t sit 91-93. More like 89-91.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:31 pm

Since July 30, Braves have gone 23-19. Bourn has hit .229/.344/.299/.643 (no power) with just 11 stolen bases. That’s over 187 PAs for Bourn… the same number that Bourjos has for the entire season. Bourjos has hit .227/.291/.325/.616.

We can win without our CF hitting. The rest of the guys need to step up. I’m not advocating Bourjos by any means, just saying that he wouldn’t be a bad option if it came to that.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:33 pm

Barring injury I believe Medlen,Beachy and Minor will rival the former Holy trinity,that the Braves once had.

Wow.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:34 pm

Ef: Thats even better,shows how polished he is.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:36 pm

Swisher in LF, Pagan in CF, and Medlen on the bump. Opening Day’s getting better all the time.

Just get me through these 18 games in one peace. Guess the eggs are in the one gamer basket. At least it should be in Atlanta.

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
1:37 pm

@john leonard i agree

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:38 pm

Wow.

But maybe I won’t be able to get through these 18 games in one peace………

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:39 pm

Those 3 rival the big 3? Umm, nah.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:40 pm

I think we’d all feel more comfortable if our 2-5 was Medlen, Hudson, Minor, Maholm with someone like James Shields on the hill for opening day. Getting a starter is going to cost a boatload in prospects or free agency dollars.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:41 pm

Just get me through these 18 games in one peace. Guess the eggs are in the one gamer basket. At least it should be in Atlanta.

Like the song says, “I didn’t buy this beer, but I’m payin’ the price”. :-)

The pitching was soft early, and they haven’t been able to make up the ground. One-gamer is the cost of being second-best, so they’ll just have to bear down and deal.

chipontheroad

September 13th, 2012
1:42 pm

Maybe while Chipper is teaching Shea to bat switch,he could teach Hanson to throw southpaw

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:44 pm

If we sign Bourn, I’d say that would end talks of upgrading greatly at either LF or SP. Not unless we start trading arb. eligible players. Which I guess is possible, Hanson being the most likely.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
1:45 pm

Thats what winners do ncscoots,and the losers go home.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

Not unless we start trading arb. eligible players. Which I guess is possible, Hanson being the most likely.

If I were a Braves’ pitcher, at any level, I wouldn’t be signing any long-term leases. Pitching is their bank, and they’re gonna have to come off their hip with some of it.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

One-gamer is the cost of being second-best, so they’ll just have to bear down and deal.

Like I said to TenneseePaul yesterday, the potential for 1 playoff series in three years with the win totals being 91, 89, 90+ is going to be incredibly frustrating on Saturday morning, October 6th. Like fist through the sheetrock frustrating. ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
1:51 pm

Getting a starter is going to cost a boatload in prospects or free agency dollars.

And with our farm not being that deep, I think I’d rather pay the dollars.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:53 pm

Like fist through the sheetrock frustrating.

I’m not sure you should be watching that play-in game, my brother. :-)

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
1:54 pm

I think the worst possible thing that could happen is to see us miss the playoffs with the Phillies making it….

I think a humanity ending meteor would be much worse.

But I posted the numbers yesterday, and for that to happen the Braves would have to play somethng like .250 ball and the Phillies would have to play .800

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
1:57 pm

But I posted the numbers yesterday, and for that to happen the Braves would have to play somethng like .250 ball and the Phillies would have to play .800

“So, you’re saying there’s a chance?”

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
1:58 pm

I’m not sure you should be watching that play-in game, my brother.

Just sayin…..looking at the last three years on a whole with one playoff series appearance, of which we were 2 men down – I mean, come on…..

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
2:00 pm

three years with the win totals being 91, 89, 90+

I think you miscounted the 16-2 stretch that the team is about to embark upon. :-)

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
2:03 pm

That’ll still put us at 90+ wins

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:03 pm

I’m think it’ll be better than 9-9 down the stretch. 12 games vs. the Marlins, Mets and Pirates should take care of it.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:07 pm

Ryan Howard is hitting .227/.308/.415 in 57 games, 234 plate appearances this year. Chase Utley is hitting .254/.362/.449 in 64 games, 279 plate appearances.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
2:08 pm

16-2? I’ll take that… hottest team going into the playoffss. 18-0 would be better though…

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
2:09 pm

Efrim, nah, I’m gonna go with the 16-2 thing. Live big and dream bigger. I’m going to make a life-sized cutout of Mitchell, like with Major League, and rip off a piece of virtual skin every time the Braves win one. 16 wins, and I’ll have the sucker down to capillaries.

So, win a couple, you cringing cur dogs! Dangit!

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:11 pm

Howard is owed $105 million through 2016……

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:12 pm

Getting a starter is going to cost a boatload in prospects or free agency dollars.

We’ve been lectured all day that if we like the player, he isn’t coming to Atlanta. And also that there is no money to spend. So just get ready for Gilmartin in the rotation, Biff in center and Francisco at third with Prado in left…. and a lot of comments about how you aren’t a real fan of the Braves if you don’t think all those players are the best.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:13 pm

So, win a couple, you cringing cur dogs! Dangit!

How about just beat the Nationals in a series at home this weekened? Would love to start there. ;)

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
2:13 pm

Efrim brought up our 1 recent playoff appearance… we got screwed in the 1st game on a bad call at 2nd base. What if that’s what makes the difference in the 1-game playoff? Some people aren’t gonna be real happy about that. Series allow you to come back from those mistakes.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

Ryan Howard is hitting .227/.308/.415 in 57 games, 234 plate appearances this year

But he was injured Ef. He has an excuse and you have to let him have that excuse.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
2:15 pm

So just get ready for Gilmartin in the rotation, Biff in center and Francisco at third with Prado in left…. and a lot of comments about how you aren’t a real fan of the Braves if you don’t think all those players are the best.

Do you own a pistol, or will you need to borrow one of mine to put me out of my misery? :-)

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:16 pm

Some people aren’t gonna be real happy about that. Series allow you to come back from those mistakes.

screw ‘em.

A whole season lets you come back from mistakes… perhaps they should work it out to where, after all 30 teams compete over 162 games, the best two teams of each league play in a 7 game world championship.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
2:16 pm

We’ve been lectured all day that if we like the player, he isn’t coming to Atlanta.

Indeed… they’re trying to destroy my hopes. :) Another great post 10Paul.

UKUGA

September 13th, 2012
2:16 pm

I don’t like that the Oct. 5 play-off game could get moved to October 6.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:16 pm

and a lot of comments about how you aren’t a real fan of the Braves if you don’t think all those players are the best.

What were we doing between 2008 and 2011? 4 drafts? And we have Jose Constanza and Juan Francisco atop the depth charts in CF and at 3B.

Nevermind. Let me stop before I get yelled at about how Heyward and Freeman leaving our farm system and becoming star players makes it okay that we have no position player depth…..

(even though they were drafted 5.5 years ago right before the Tex trade for crying out loud)

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:19 pm

Mycal Jones just didn’t pan out, I guess.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:19 pm

Do you own a pistol, or will you need to borrow one of mine to put me out of my misery?

You’ll just need to show up at my bar on game day and get between me and the panel. You’ll be out of your misery well before I’ve ordered all 20 of my beers. And the bar keep will engrave on your stone a nice note about saving him some money on flat screens.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:20 pm

But he was injured Ef. He has an excuse and you have to let him have that excuse.

I give him a pass fror this year. It’s the next four years that I have trouble giving him a pass for. Him or Amaro Jr.

But Ruben should have “Hey, it’s the next GM’s problem” tattooed on his back. :)

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
2:21 pm

screw ‘em. A whole season lets you come back from mistakes

Got that right. Think the division winners are gonna be happy about going back home down 2-0, facing an elimination game before they sell the first bag of popcorn? Tough snookums.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:21 pm

Got my good friends wedding in Philadelphia on Saturday, October 6th. Really hoping the drive down will be pleasant. Really hoping……

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:22 pm

Let me stop before I get yelled at about how Heyward and Freeman leaving our farm system and becoming star players makes it okay that we have no position player depth…

It sound logic, Ef. Once Delgado and Teheran exit the system, the Braves won’t need to draft any more pitchers either. In fact, they can just opt out of the entire draft business and save that money for some bench players.

flange1

September 13th, 2012
2:23 pm

With the loss of Chipper and Bourn and with the salary raises that we will see for 2013, I think we as fans can expect one of the replacements for these 2 to be either very young or very cheap.

The Braves FO will exercise the options for McCann and Hudson and tell us they have limited funds for other players. They will say McCann will be back to 100% and that he at 100% will help replace the loss of Chipper.

I could see a situation where they use some sort of platoon with Prado, Francisco and a RH outfielder (Gattis?, Reed Johnson?) for LF and 3B and then spend a touch of $$$ on a CF.

Or they could try to sign Tori Hunter to a 2 year deal and treat him like they did Chipper this year using Prado and Francisco to “platoon” with Tori.

I think they trade for a pitcher.

The only way the team will improve next year is if more than a couple guys have career years.

The TV deal is going to start to hurt next year.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
2:25 pm

screw ‘em.

Why? The purpose is to see who the best team is…. series determine that, not 1 game. If they’re gonna do that, just eliminate the regular season and have the playoffs…. single elimination. Go from there. Watch the Royals and Padres go to the World Series.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:25 pm

perhaps they should work it out to where, after all 30 teams compete over 162 games, the best two teams of each league play in a 7 game world championship.

I’m okay with eliminating playoffs entirely……..

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
2:27 pm

The purpose is to see who the best team is….

The purpose of the playoffs hasn’t been about “best team” since divisions were created.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:28 pm

The purpose is to see who the best team is…. series determine that, not 1 game.

I hate the one gamer, but even series don’t show you who the best team is.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:28 pm

Why? The purpose is to see who the best team is…

That’s why you play 162 games… The rest is just exhibition.

I can tell you right now the top two teams: Nationals, Rangers. The rest of this business is merely for the money.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:34 pm

I can tell you right now the top two teams: Nationals, Rangers. The rest of this business is merely for the money.

Agreed.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

keithlaw ‏@keithlaw
Yes. “@SBS0311: @keithlaw Does Matt Harvey have ace upside?”

Didn’t think he was going to, but from what I’ve seen of that kid – nasty, nasty stuff.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

Meanwhile, Julio Teheran went from having nasty stuff to nasty (bad) results.

beekay

September 13th, 2012
2:43 pm

I think Bourn cost himself a cool 15 million with this prolonged slump….5 yrs 75mm is now 5 yrs 60mm imo

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
2:44 pm

Current standings are such that we would be the WC team under the old rules.

We are subject to the same rules as everyone else…don’t win the division…then don’t whine about it, just go out and win the play-in game. You then get the first 2 in best 3 of 5 at home. Win those too, and you only need 1 of 3 away. You will have had 3 home games at that point, and division winner may only get 1 at home. Fair?…or not…that’s the way it is, so you deal with it. Whining doesn’t help.

NO MORE FREDI

September 13th, 2012
2:45 pm

I repeat… Why do you want to see this team in the playoffs? The Phillies are showing it’s not how you start the season but end it. Would like to see them get in (even though I hate them). They dropped dead weight in July and started kicking butt. Braves would never give up on any of these losers. Hope they sink with them AGAIN.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
2:46 pm

We are subject to the same rules as everyone else…don’t win the division…then don’t whine about it

Word.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
2:46 pm

beekay – I doubt he’s lost anywhere near $15M, and Scott Boras will explain to us why.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
2:48 pm

No More Fredi – Your logic, or lack thereof, is too ridiculous to warrent a response.

raleighbravefan

September 13th, 2012
2:49 pm

Gotta go. Later, friends.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
2:49 pm

Braves would never give up on any of these losers. Hope they sink with them AGAIN.

What a horrible “fan”

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
2:50 pm

I feel like some people – the louder minority – are hoping the Braves fail so that they have something to complain about.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
2:53 pm

And the broken record award (what’s a record?) in the “it ain’t going to happen” category, goes to….wait, it’s a tie:

AT, for “trade Uggla to Detroit”, and TOBF for “sign Greinke”.

Yes I know, this organization isn’t going to do anything because we have depth. Cause everyone knows, “quantity equals quality” and we don’t need no stinken ace.

beekay

September 13th, 2012
2:54 pm

Raleigh
Do you think the Nats or Phils will pony up that much? Boras owns the Nats but to give that type of cash to a guy who has slumped for months and strikes out like a power hitter? If im the Braves offer 4 yrs 45 million and then make the Phils or Nats over pay. I still don’t see him getting more than 5 nd 60 if he finishes as bad as he has been the next 20 games

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
2:56 pm

Cause everyone knows, “quantity equals quality”

Isn’t the premise behind trading Uggla for Infante and a bunch minor leaguers? ( :

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
3:04 pm

I hate the one gamer, but even series don’t show you who the best team is.

But that one-gamer ought to have some clutch, no? Heck, it’s a whole game’s worth of clutch, LOL. I mean, if you can still find your spit in the seventh of a one-nothing wild-card play-in game, I say you be strong, dog. :-)

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
3:04 pm

We are subject to the same rules as everyone else…don’t win the division…then don’t whine about it

If a team is clearly one of the best three teams in the league but doesn’t win a division and therefore has to play in a one-game playoff, I think that team has every right to whine. Them not winning a division has to do with geography more than it does the quality of their team.

This is a more distinct possibility in the AL. There is a chance the Yankees or Rays or both could have to play in a one-game playoff, though they are clearly better than the AL Central winner and are probably on par with the AL West winner. The Yankees and Rays are going to be forced in to a one-game playoff not because they aren’t good enough to win a division title but because geographically they are in the wrong division.

But I guess MLB doesn’t want a league that gives the best chance in the postseason to teams that had the most success in the regular season.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:10 pm

Byron (The College of New Jersey)

Any chance Kris Medlen wins the NL Cy Young? What if he throws 3 perfect games between now and the end of the season?
David Schoenfield (3:09 PM)

OK, let’s be realistic and say he wins three more starts and finishes 11-1 with 1.78 ERA and 135 innings or so. I don’t think that’s enough; there’s never been a pitcher of that type to win. Relievers have won with fewer innings, but they have saves. So I think Medlen maybe gets some down-the-ballot support, but not enough first- and second-place votes to win.

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
3:13 pm

I hate the one gamer, but even series don’t show you who the best team is.

I agree with this and think it’s pretty obviously the case. However, you want to at least give the best teams the best chance to win in the playoffs. And the more games you play, the better the chance of the best team winning.

There needs to be a balance, if you want playoffs. You want some randomness in the playoffs so that the best team doesn’t always win, otherwise what’s the point of a playoff system. But you also want to make it so that the best teams are rewarded in the playoffs. Certainly having three divisions and two wild cards with those wild cards playing a one-game playoff doesn’t do much to make sure the best teams are rewarded.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
3:17 pm

Three weeks from today and tomorrow should be a blast on this blog, eh?

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

Jason (Atlanta)

I’m refuse to panic about the Brewers sweep of the Braves. Instead, I’m boldly looking ahead to the postseason. Who do you see in the Braves playoff rotation? Medlen, Hudson and Minor? Maholm as the 4th?
David Schoenfield (3:17 PM)

I’d make Medlen the No. 1 (for the one-game wild card), which would set up Hudson for the potential two starts in the Division Series. As for the two lefties, I think it depends on who you play. Not sure I’d want to throw two lefties against the Reds, who are predominately right-handed. But that means starting Hanson? Hmm … well, yes, probably Minor and Maholm then. Wouldn’t trust Hanson right now.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:23 pm

Wayne (TENN)

Hey Dave… Once my pathetic braves choke again this would be the right time to clean house… Chipper and Bourn will be gone… They should decline Hudson and McCann’s option really clean house, of course all this should happen after Fredi is fired..
David Schoenfield (3:18 PM)

Somebody sounds a little worried … the Braves will make it. But I’m still not sure that means Fredi keeps his job.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Isn’t the premise behind trading Uggla for Infante and a bunch minor leaguers?

Not exactly, it was also about signing Greinke or Haren.

TheOnlyBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Wouldn’t trust Hanson right now.

David Schoenfield has it right… no reason to trust Hanson right now, in the regular season, and definitely not in the playoffs

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

Orioles take lead – next inning Rays get leadoff walk, passed ball, steal of 3rd on K, infield single to tie game at 2…

Bay Area Steve

September 13th, 2012
3:30 pm

“no reason to trust Hanson right now”

No idea you felt this way. Might you repeat it 30 times a blog just in case, you know, somebody missed it?

JRW

September 13th, 2012
3:30 pm

I never understand why everyone on here cares how much money any team pays any player in MLB. It’s not your money. Who cares how people with money beyond our imagination spend it. And I believe the Fielder and Pujols contracts are much worse than Howards, not because of the money but because of the terms.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
3:33 pm

John Leonard – You’re worried about incurring MY wrath by thinking MInor has a higher upside? You obviously have me confused with Efrim. I’m a MInor supporter and think he can be much more than what many have believed him to be since he was drafted. You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

But I guess MLB doesn’t want a league that gives the best chance in the postseason to teams that had the most success in the regular season.

If they were, they’d get rid of the divisional format entirely and rid themselves of the play offs reverting back to strictly the World Series. But it’s about money, and that is what the MLB is about.

JRW

September 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

The NFL playoffs are all one and done games. No series. As is the NCAA Basketball Tournament. And they are both seen as a more exciting playoff system than Baseball, Basketball and Hockey. I think it’s the finality that comes with each game that makes it that much more exciting.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

No idea you felt this way.

Ha!

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

Not exactly, it was also about signing Greinke or Haren.

If rumor is correct and this team has $20+M available to spend, then they have the ability to sign Greinke or Haren without trading anyone.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
3:39 pm

then they have the ability to sign Greinke or Haren without trading anyone.

Plus, Uggla is just about the last offensive piece that would go on the trading block.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

After you factor in Jurrjens getting non-tendered, that will make a total of around 45 million coming off the books.

TennesseePaul

September 13th, 2012
3:43 pm

Plus, Uggla is just about the last offensive piece that would go on the trading block.

Pretty much. Either he’s good enough to bring back talent, in which case he should stay with the Braves or he isn’t good enough… in which case he’ll bring back nothing and require money to move him, while still requiring this team to pay someone to replace him, netting no savings.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

There’s a good chance Rafael Soriano will exercise the opt-out clause in his contract with the Yankees after the season and hit free agency early, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. Soriano must choose between another year in New York with a salary of $14MM and opting out for a $1.5MM buyout and the uncertainty of the open market.

VaBravesFan

September 13th, 2012
3:46 pm

That’s pretty crazy that a Yankee’s relief pitcher makes more a season than any Brave.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
3:46 pm

this team has $20+M available to spend

I’m all for using some of that to acquire him but I’m concerned if we did, what it might mean the year after. I guess if Hudson was to walk we’d have that space for arb eligible or extension and such but I’m just not sure. But I’d also like what it might bring us in return if we were to trade him, I mean outside of Infante and someone like McCann that could give us organizational depth at catcher, but someone like Garcia that could potentially be exactly what were looking for to play LF as soon as possibly next season if he continues to develop. I’d also like to see us work a trade with Texas for Gentry which would give us a very good( and even better a controllable) outfield for a good forseeable future. All without having to give up much to do so.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
3:49 pm

Pretty much.

They aren’t trading RH power, when it’s such a scarce commodity. That would be insane. Uggla would have to be well and truly cooked for all time, for the team to even consider it. He isn’t, so they won’t.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
3:50 pm

I see Uggla more as a complimentary piece, not so much as a center piece.

If we had more offense around him to offset his long slumps, then I’d be alright with retaining him. But I just don’t see the value he brings to this lineup as the supposedly right handed run producer.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
3:51 pm

I know he can be valuable at times but this club needs more of an even keel type hitter. at least in my opinion.

Arkansas Transplant

September 13th, 2012
3:53 pm

Uggla would have to be well and truly cooked for all time, for the team to even consider it.

If that was the case, then he’d really be of more value to this club cause you wouldn’t gain anything from moving him.

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
3:53 pm

But I guess MLB doesn’t want a league that gives the best chance in the postseason to teams that had the most success in the regular season. –Me

If they were, they’d get rid of the divisional format entirely and rid themselves of the play offs reverting back to strictly the World Series. But it’s about money, and that is what the MLB is about. –TennesseePaul

Well, there has to be a happy medium where MLB can still have its playoffs (and it’s money) and where success over the long haul of the regular season is more fairly rewarded in the postseason, where the best teams get the best chance to win.

JRW, I would argue that one-game finality doesn’t work in baseball, at least when it’s contrived and constructed. That sort of finality in baseball only works when it comes at the end of a 162-game race. If MLB is trying to construct that finality, most fans are smart enough to realize it’s not as meaningful because it opens up the game to the possibility of a mediocre team beating a great team to advance; and that just annoys most of the loyal baseball fans.

I have to wonder how much of the decline of playoff ratings is a result of MLB expanding the playoffs and fans getting smarter about the randomness (i.e., meaninglessness, in terms of an indication of which team is better) of 5-game and 7-game series.

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
3:54 pm

Tom ‏@Haudricourt
Glad I could play small role in Chipper Jones getting retirement gift he wanted from the #Brewers. Fire up the grill!

cowdogit

September 13th, 2012
4:04 pm

A good manager could take this team to the world series, It’s unfortunate the braves manager will keep playing the same fatboy lineup, always hoping that the results will be different. I guess with his one track mine, he’s caugh up with Chipper’s farewell tour.

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:07 pm

Pretty much. Either he’s good enough to bring back talent, in which case he should stay with the Braves or he isn’t good enough… in which case he’ll bring back nothing and require money to move him, while still requiring this team to pay someone to replace him, netting no savings.

I’m not so sure. I think there is a chance that could move Uggla in a deal that would be favorable, in terms of shedding salary, bringing back players or both. I also think there is a good chance that such a deal isn’t out there.

I don’t think it’s necessarily true that Uggla is either too good or too bad for the Braves to make a favorable trade. I don’t think it’s definitive either way. I could certainly see a team giving up something that would peak the Braves’ interest in order to get Uggla and the Braves being able to fill his spot with fair production, on the cheap.

John Leonard

September 13th, 2012
4:08 pm

Lew: I’m old and decrepit(sp) and just having some fun with Ef.But what I said about Minor is what I believe.

Venice Jim

September 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

I usually think of Big Thunder Mountain as a one track mine…

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:10 pm

A good manager could take this team to the world series, It’s unfortunate the braves manager will keep playing the same fatboy lineup, always hoping that the results will be different. I guess with his one track mine, he’s caugh up with Chipper’s farewell tour.

I’m no huge fan of Fredi, though I think he’s improved quite a bit from last season. However, what manager could make this Braves team more of a World Series contender than they already are? And what is your reason for believing that there is such a manager out there? I would love to hear your reasoning because I don’t see it.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:11 pm

most fans are smart enough to realize it’s not as meaningful…and that just annoys most of the loyal baseball fans.

There are several women I’ve dated in my life who might say they know just what you’re talking about, LOL. Because they were all about “meaningful”.

Baseball fans, not so much.

JRW

September 13th, 2012
4:12 pm

Shaun please don’t mis interpret me I wouldn’t mind doing away with the wildcard all together and go back to east/west division series again. I like baseball series playoffs especially since the sport is played in series all year long. I was just making the point that the one and done format is very popular, as proven by vegas betting and tv ratings.

UKUGA

September 13th, 2012
4:16 pm

Different Day. Same Shaun.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

playing the same fatboy lineup

I kinda hate to give this guy any props, but that has a certain ring to it. Not in the derogatory way he meant it, of course, but in a good way. :-) In the “I’m not an athlete, I’m a baseball player!” way.

Sic ‘em, fatboys!

keyLargo

September 13th, 2012
4:18 pm

That’s pretty crazy that a Yankee’s relief pitcher (Rafael Soriano) makes more a season than any Brave.

And even crazier that the Braves traded Soriano for Jesse Chavez.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:21 pm

Here’s hoping they can use the off day to unlimber a little fatboy lumber.

Otherwise, it might be time for high socks, shaved heads, and live chickens in the clubhouse.

count_schemula

September 13th, 2012
4:24 pm

All that talk about Greinke’s wife does bring up a valid point. We do need a player with a hot piece.

What about Evan Longoria for 3rd base?

Lew

September 13th, 2012
4:28 pm

One track mine? Oh! The geology.

Lew

September 13th, 2012
4:29 pm

Since they were going to let Soriano walk anyway, what’s it matter what they did or didn’t get for him?

keyLargo

September 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

Maybe it means they shouldn’t have let him walk. Everyone in baseball knew he was a budding SuperStar.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:34 pm

And even crazier that the Braves traded Soriano for Jesse Chavez.

And Mark Teixiera for Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek. Pretty much the equal of giving Michael Bourn a 7 year, $126 million dollar contract.

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

JRW, I’m not saying I think you want the one-game playoff. I’m just saying it may not work as well in baseball as in other sports, in terms of ratings, etc. What might happen is that the ratings will be rather high for the one-game playoff but will be worse for the rest of the postseason. In other words, I think it’s very possible this is a short-sighted move to increase ratings at one point but will overall cause a slight decline in the ratings of the playoffs as a whole.

It does seem possible that MLB has made the playoffs less interesting by including more teams (more less-than-great teams) and that may be the reason TV ratings for the playoffs haven’t been all that high in recent years.

Baseball would be better off playing up intriguing match-ups and story lines than trying to gin up excitement for a one-and-done situation that only waters down the playoffs.

By the way, I’d be okay with a one-game playoff, if done more fairly. For instance, make sure the one-gamer is between two teams that are inferior to other playoff teams. Do away with the possibility that the second-best team in the league could be playing in a one-game playoff while the 3rd- or 4th-best team gets a pass.

Bay Area Steve

September 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

“Everyone in baseball knew he was a budding SuperStar.”

Please tell me this was sarcasm. My detector may need calibration.

cowdogit

September 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

With the braves extra slow lineup, Milwaukee’s infield was playing so deep it looked like they were playing seven outfielder’s.

O.M.G.

September 13th, 2012
4:36 pm

UKUGA, now now, you must listen to Shaun, he played high school ball you know. LOL Please.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:37 pm

make sure the one-gamer is between two teams that are inferior to other playoff teams.

Keith Law, bracket-maker. :-)

(Though this sounds suspiciously like “power rankings”, and we all know that those are not “meaningful”.)

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:40 pm

The Braves have an extra slow lineup? Bourn, Prado, Heyward, Simmons? I know Jones, Freeman, McCann and Uggla aren’t the fastest guys in the world, but I think it balances itself out.

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
4:41 pm

Let’s flash forward to Oct 5th

A crowd of about 30,000 “fills” the Ted
Medlen pitches his guts out but gives up 1 or 2 runs but has to be pulled for Hinske to strike out
The offense is a no show until it is too late
The Braves best pitcher, Kimbrel, never even gets loose
Game ends, a frustrated Chipper is forced to endure a standing ovation Season over

But hey, it’s Friday night so not a total loss because it’s Publix Fireworks Night

David O'Brien

September 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

Series preview: Braves vs. Nationals, beginning with Medlen vs. Detwiler on Friday

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/13/series-preview-braves-vs-nationals-2/

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

ncscoots, it doesn’t take power rankings to realize the Rays or Yankees are better than the Tigers or White Sox, yet the Tigers and White Sox are going to be in a better position than the Rays or Yankees to win the AL Pennant and the World Series.

Even folks who didn’t play high school ball can realize that, OMG and UKUGA. ;)

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
4:43 pm

it looked like they were playing seven outfielder’s

The outfielders don’t own anything here.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

The Braves have named right-hander J.R. Graham their minor league pitcher of the year and outfielder Todd Cunningham their minor league player of the year.

Cunningham had a heck of a year. indeed. I still have trouble finding anyone that sees more than a 4th outfielder, though.

jeffrey d

September 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

MVPrado – looks like there’s no need for you to watch anymore. You’ve got it all figured out.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

it doesn’t take power rankings to realize the Rays or Yankees are better than the Tigers or White Sox

Define your criteria for “better”. Sometimes it’s easier to find a Romney tax return than your logic. :-)

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:46 pm

The Braves minor league pitchers and players of the year at each level were (respectively): Cory Gearrin, Ernesto Mejia (Triple-A Gwinnett); Sean Gilmartin, Joe Leonard (Double-A Mississippi); Gus Schlosser, Nick Ahmed (high-A Lynchburg); Navery Moore, William Beckwith (low-A Rome), Mauricio Cabrera, Carlos Franco (rookie Danville), Luis Merejo, Jose Peraza (rookie Gulf Coast League), and Michael Flores, Johan Camargo (Dominican Summer League).

I love that name – Gus Schlosser.

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
4:47 pm

Unless there’s a dramatic turnaround in the next three weeks, I probably won’t subject myself to it

I’ve seen this movie before, and aside from 1995, it always has a bad ending

keyLargo

September 13th, 2012
4:48 pm

MFIKY goes from 27 saves with a 2.97 ERA, 1.057 WHIP and 102 K’s in 75 IP in 09 to 45 saves, 1.73 ERA, 0.802 WHiP in 2010 and he wasn’t on the way up?

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:48 pm

Luis Merejo is 17 and did pretty well in the GCL.. Up to 93 with an above average changeup. Might skip him to full season ball.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:49 pm

I’ve seen this movie before, and aside from 1995, it always has a bad ending

Yeah, I mean, winning World Series titles isn’t easy. Ask the Texas Rangers.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

Ya think they screwed up on Graham’s measurements and he’s 6′2”?

scoots, what’s your take on that?

Hah! ;)

MVPrado14

September 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

Yankees won a few of them. Heck, even the Marlins won two.

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:53 pm

Define your criteria for “better”. Sometimes it’s easier to find a Romney tax return than your logic.

Basically which team would win more over 162 games, if they played similar-quality schedules.

If the Rays or Yankees played a schedule similar to that of the White Sox or Tigers and the Rays or Yankees were in the AL Central, based on all the information we have at our disposal, the Rays or Yankees would win the Central more easily than the White Sox or Tigers.

Efrim

September 13th, 2012
4:53 pm

Yankees won a few of them. Heck, even the Marlins won two.

Bounce of the friggin ball, man. Don’t keep yourself up at night.

ncscoots

September 13th, 2012
4:54 pm

scoots, what’s your take on that?

Height measurements in the Braves’ org might be problematic, I reckon.

Or maybe they just have a bunch of Randy Newman fans in the FO. Tough call. :-)

Trader Jack

September 13th, 2012
4:54 pm

Shaun

Very true that the ratings for say the World Series are down from where they were 25 years ago. However, you need to look at the cume for all the playoff games to really understand how the game is marketed to the masses

Bay Area Steve

September 13th, 2012
4:54 pm

“he wasn’t on the way up?”

Move the goalposts much? “Budding SuperStar” is now “on the way up?” And, why are you posting his TB season, when the discussion was the trade from Atlanta? How is that pertinent? No mention of his injured-again, mediocre age-31 season?

Shaun

September 13th, 2012
4:55 pm

ncscoots, my turn. What makes you think the White Sox or Tigers are better than the Rays or Yankees? Or do you?