I shouldn’t have to point this out to all of you simpletons but I called this train wreck a long time ago. Maybe now you understand why. Fredi can’t manage. Chipper can’t play. Nobody seems interested in coaching Hanson, Freeman, McCann, and Uggla out of their slumps. You’re all just a bunch of sheep for thinking this group of Fredi’s misfits would do anything. Next time you might think about listening to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Braves are toast until Fredi and Chipper are history.
Remember we need to sweep all nine games against the METS at home, and the six against the FISH to make it. Five more of nine against the NATS, PHILLIES and PIRATES would be nice.
Give him a rest. Uggla and others improved after a rest. Even tonight Freeman had 2 hits after a day off. However, I think Bourn needs a longer rest. A 162 game schedule is brutal on the body. Fredi seems to have learned that for pitching this year, having used O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel less this year after last year’s collapse and it seems to have paid off in good pitching in September most nights. However, he hasn’t seemed to learn that the same applies to the regular position players.
How about looking forward to next year? I would say forget Bourn, Uggla, McCann, Hanson, JJ, and all the old guys they picked up cheap like Batista. Lose Hinske and Diaz for good. Try Francisco at 3rd, Simmons at SS, Prado at 2nd. Keep Freeman and Heyward, Johnson in LF. Give Constanza a shot. Use Ross and Boscan. Medlen, Minor, Hudson. Dump or trade Maholm. Give some minor league guys a chance for some backup. Get a bat and pitcher. Maybe trade Venters.
Lose the entire coaching staff, and possibly the GM.
Nate McLouth is doing quite well for Baltimore… I wish the Braves had given him a deal after the Pirates cut him. I wanted them to. He’s a decent platoon/backup OF
I’m not trying to be overly partisan political….Just pointing out that while we just got swept in Milwaukee some of our Ambassadors, our soldiers and our embassy staff were dying across the globe…..
So let’s not forget those fighting for their and our lives instead of baseball games….I’m not giving up watching baseball and my Braves, but for sure the outcome in MLB is down the priority list…..
Chipper talked yesterday about the 9-11 game our Braves played eleven years ago….so I don’t think it is a stretch to take a hard look at this latest 9-11 fiasco….
Go Braves here…………and GO BRAVE SOLDIERS OVER THERE !!!
Remember one thing. There are different opinions. Don’t come here making grand statements about your opinion and not expect people who disagree to respond. As with usual from your side, you like to spew the bile but you don’t want to hear a different view. And you generally don’t like the truth either. It goes against your manufactured view of reality.
I guess The Broom has cornered the market on the truth and everything else is manufactured reality. I’m honored the blog was graced by the presence of such an omnipotent being.
A Bomb – agree with you on the braves looking exhausted,flat, etc. no excuse for it though. Keep this up and I cannot see fredi managing the braves next year
Need to find a coach that can tell Fredi when to pull his starters… I know you might want your veteran starter to fight and get thru 5, but he was done even before the HR…
….big difference in our folks dying and our sports team losing…..
That isn’t political that is fact….Chipper said yesterday that the game against the Mets
was his most memorable game of his 20 years….
So just pointing out here that as sick as another Braves collapse may make us……….let’s remember the real battle and real “scuffle” is for life and death….that makes it easier for me to put the game tonight in perspective…..
I mean, I know Fredi ain’t the smartest, most strategic manager you’ll find, but come on now. He isn’t out there botching baseballs, watching fastball after fastball go right by him, getting rattled like a little leaguer when something goes wrong on the mound, and on and on. He gets under this fans skin too, but there’s only so much the guy can do.
And Reed got how many PA’s in the series? Seriously, that is what annoys me about Fredi. Reed is a solid bat out there that we definitely needed. Maholm wet his pants tonight, but games one and two he could’ve helped.
John Leonard, I personally would like to see Bourn back next season if we can get him without breaking the bank. Since he has an established track record of fading in the second half, maybe he will need more time off in the first half to help keep him fresh. He has played in 142 games this season.
Brava:Seeing what we had in the past, I can see your point,but what would you pay him?I would not pay him more than 8 a year for 3 years,and you know Boras will get him more.
Nolie, My once every 2 weeks comment. Isn’t it very Skip Carayesque to still be needing to “sweep 3 to win the division”, it’s bad enough that he is only in a broadcast booth outside of Billings or Yakima,however, when he makes comments like that you must think that both granddad and dad are ordering a celestial nightcap. “Win the division”, just get Medlen lined up for the one game playoff and stop the BS. The Braves are in and the Nats are very good with or without Strasberg. Sweep them and you “cut it” to 5 1/2, and that would put them in 1964 Phillies range.
Driving home I flipped between the Dodgers’ and Angels’ games and struck by various ironies that I am too tired to remember 15 minutes later…time to move away from baseball for the evening…good evening, all…
People are saying Collapse but that is far from the truth. We can just win 20 percent of the games from here onwards and still make the post season because niether the Cards or Dodgers are doing anything. Bottom line is that we will be in the playoffs. No reason to panic. Yes it is frustrating to lose all these games but it’s not the end of the world.
In fact of all the wildcard contenders the Brewers would give Braves the least hardest time despite of the sweep. I am rooting for the Brewers to win the wildcard. Lets look at the contenders
1. Cardinals- Dangerous offense everyone is hitting .300 and with Loshe and Wainwright they can shut any team down
2. Dodgers- Kemp Hanley Gonzalez Either with Kershaw pitching.
3. Pirates- They are finished but I hope they make the wildcard because they are the easy to beat
4. Phillies- Not much offense won’t score many runs.Got good pitching but that is irrelvent as this won’t be a series it will be a game and their big 3 isn’t any better than Kershaw or Wainwright and thus I wouldn’t mind facing the Phillies in that 1 game
5. Brewers- Good home team pathetic road team. Will be away game for them if they play us. Apart from Gallardo they don’t have much pitching and Gallardo is inconsistent. Got to watch for Braun otherwise a team we can beat.
Cardinals though will make it they got 9 games coming up vs Cubs and Astros.
They will go atleast 6-3 there.
Dodgers wil die with their schedule.
Pirates are done
Milwaukee and Phillies will need miracle
So Cardinals vs Braves
Wainwright vs Medlen
810 start on TBS
OCT 5TH in Atlanta GA
Thanks for the heads up on the tip your caps.I don’t read them when we lose,because of that,this old man goes postal when I read that%^$##@.Will read them this morning.Thanks again C.R.
All for admitting it,but enough of the hat tipping.Why not just say they played better than us even though we have better players,but because I can’t manage or coach my players,we get beat over and over again by players with lesser talent.
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TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
Ben Ingram @IngramRadio
Since September 3rd, (9 games ago), Michael Bourn is 4 for 35 w/10 K’s and ZERO runs scored.
10 Ks!!! Give that man 18mil…
Capt.Mudd
September 12th, 2012
10:41 pm
Was this guy not available an hour ago?
Larry
September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
I shouldn’t have to point this out to all of you simpletons but I called this train wreck a long time ago. Maybe now you understand why. Fredi can’t manage. Chipper can’t play. Nobody seems interested in coaching Hanson, Freeman, McCann, and Uggla out of their slumps. You’re all just a bunch of sheep for thinking this group of Fredi’s misfits would do anything. Next time you might think about listening to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Braves are toast until Fredi and Chipper are history.
ACE
September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
Bourn is fading just like last September. Maybe if they keep him they start him in the bullpen to save him some innings next season.
usnavyvolfaninva
September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
Last 7 games, Bourn hitting .179/.258/.214/.472, Chipper – .167/.286/.167/.452, BMac .250/.249/.542/.811, Freeman .100/.308/.100/.408.
the Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 12th, 2012
10:43 pm
NYTOL….BRAVA.
Remember we need to sweep all nine games against the METS at home, and the six against the FISH to make it. Five more of nine against the NATS, PHILLIES and PIRATES would be nice.
jer
September 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
Give him a rest. Uggla and others improved after a rest. Even tonight Freeman had 2 hits after a day off. However, I think Bourn needs a longer rest. A 162 game schedule is brutal on the body. Fredi seems to have learned that for pitching this year, having used O’Flaherty, Venters, and Kimbrel less this year after last year’s collapse and it seems to have paid off in good pitching in September most nights. However, he hasn’t seemed to learn that the same applies to the regular position players.
BS
September 12th, 2012
10:44 pm
No way in hell Braun gets the MVP.
Steve
September 12th, 2012
10:45 pm
The collapse: The Sequel
Brava
September 12th, 2012
10:46 pm
Nite, Ghost. Hope your wife is doing better.
Bronke
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Wow, Nate McClouth got the game winning hit for Baltimore tonight!
Yogi Berra
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Phillies win 7th in row..
Busch Leaguer
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Former Brave Nate Mc Clod just had a walk off hit for the Orioles off another former Brave Kyle Farnsworthless.
usnavyvolfaninva
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Broom….
whatever, dude.
see ya next year
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
How about looking forward to next year? I would say forget Bourn, Uggla, McCann, Hanson, JJ, and all the old guys they picked up cheap like Batista. Lose Hinske and Diaz for good. Try Francisco at 3rd, Simmons at SS, Prado at 2nd. Keep Freeman and Heyward, Johnson in LF. Give Constanza a shot. Use Ross and Boscan. Medlen, Minor, Hudson. Dump or trade Maholm. Give some minor league guys a chance for some backup. Get a bat and pitcher. Maybe trade Venters.
Lose the entire coaching staff, and possibly the GM.
usnavyvolfaninva
September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
Got to see Nate in Norfolk when the Orioles sent him down.
alex
September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
it’s dejavu(braves in mid 80’s) all over again.
tiger297
September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
long way from minnesota to atlanta…although much closer to st. louis
The A Bomb
September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
Braves look absolutely worn out — extremely surprising since Gonzalez schedules days off like a retail manager.
No reason for Bourn to be playing tonight. A couple of days off would do wonders for his legs.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:48 pm
Nate McLouth is doing quite well for Baltimore… I wish the Braves had given him a deal after the Pirates cut him. I wanted them to. He’s a decent platoon/backup OF
The Broom
September 12th, 2012
10:49 pm
usnavyvolfaninva
September 12th, 2012
10:47 pm
Broom….
whatever, dude
Yeah whatever Fido. Like to dish it out but cant take it.
Busch Leaguer
September 12th, 2012
10:51 pm
How long will Fredi keep his slump buster on the bench? Georgie Constanza is waiting Fredi? Fredi ? What are you waiting for a 10 game slide?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:52 pm
Classy stuff, Brewers fans.
Busch Leaguer: Constanza ain’t gonna help much
Yogi Berra
September 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
Yes Nate’s hitting a cool 230..would fit right back in with Braves.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:53 pm
Come on, man… you coulda let Chipper have the hit. It’s only his last AB in Milwaukee!
the truth...
September 12th, 2012
10:54 pm
I’m not trying to be overly partisan political….Just pointing out that while we just got swept in Milwaukee some of our Ambassadors, our soldiers and our embassy staff were dying across the globe…..
So let’s not forget those fighting for their and our lives instead of baseball games….I’m not giving up watching baseball and my Braves, but for sure the outcome in MLB is down the priority list…..
Chipper talked yesterday about the 9-11 game our Braves played eleven years ago….so I don’t think it is a stretch to take a hard look at this latest 9-11 fiasco….
Go Braves here…………and GO BRAVE SOLDIERS OVER THERE !!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
Nate’s hitting .274/.348/.419/.767 over 133 PAs for Baltimore
The Broom
September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
Ok outta here.
Remember one thing. There are different opinions. Don’t come here making grand statements about your opinion and not expect people who disagree to respond. As with usual from your side, you like to spew the bile but you don’t want to hear a different view. And you generally don’t like the truth either. It goes against your manufactured view of reality.
Busch Leaguer
September 12th, 2012
10:55 pm
@TOBF,Just making the point for whatever reason ,the Braves have around a .600 winning percentage when lil Georgie starts.
The A Bomb
September 12th, 2012
10:56 pm
Love to see Roenicke — the king of the shifts — put all 8 guys to the left of 2B.
brian
September 12th, 2012
10:57 pm
Well Bat – the braves exploded for your 2 runs. Unfortunately they played the fifth inning as well
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
10:58 pm
Uggla with a GREAT AB!
The A Bomb
September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
Another walk to pad the precious OBP of you Virus lovers.
He is such a cluster.
JC Brave
September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
Uggla with a meaningless walk.
Capt.Mudd
September 12th, 2012
10:59 pm
Dan Uggla….potential game coda….minus flatulence…folks he walked.
optimist
September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
9 more walks like that and the Braves win!
Yogi Berra
September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
10:48 is the truth..spin it anyway you like.
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:00 pm
I guess The Broom has cornered the market on the truth and everything else is manufactured reality. I’m honored the blog was graced by the presence of such an omnipotent being.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Here comes the rally!
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
The streakiness of this team is unbelievable. Sweep and the get swept
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:01 pm
Err, maybe not. Hinske’s up.
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:02 pm
Uggla and McCann starting a 2 out rally……
Capt.Mudd
September 12th, 2012
11:03 pm
I knew someone had one brewing…vs. Brew Crew……Just a poo….luz yoo!!!
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
Fire Fredi!
The A Bomb
September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
3-3 road trip! YEAH!
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:04 pm
Crap. Well, that series is over. We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL. Brewers getting close in WC chase, Greinke would’ve been a great help to them!
nolie
September 12th, 2012
11:05 pm
Oh well.
Fredo
September 12th, 2012
11:06 pm
good series Brewers, you did upon the Braves as they did upon the Mets and that’s how you’re suppose to play the game
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:07 pm
A Bomb – agree with you on the braves looking exhausted,flat, etc. no excuse for it though. Keep this up and I cannot see fredi managing the braves next year
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:07 pm
.500 road trip…. can’t complain. We were pretty “lucky” in NY.
ChattTownBrian
September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
“We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL” TheOnlyBravesFan
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
Need to find a coach that can tell Fredi when to pull his starters… I know you might want your veteran starter to fight and get thru 5, but he was done even before the HR…
Chas
September 12th, 2012
11:09 pm
Your 2012 Atlanta Braves…CHOKE TWO, THE SEQUEL
Dum-Bass
September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
Brava, agree with your 11:00PM 100%. A couple of posters lost all credibility tonight, as if they had any to begin with.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
“We’ll sweep the Nats in ATL” TheOnlyBravesFan
The only Braves fan who believes!
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
I would not mind seeing a change in leadership in the clubhouse
N Nine
September 12th, 2012
11:10 pm
And mclouth got a walk off winning hit …okokok not the right time
the truth...
September 12th, 2012
11:11 pm
@the Broom…………
….big difference in our folks dying and our sports team losing…..
That isn’t political that is fact….Chipper said yesterday that the game against the Mets
was his most memorable game of his 20 years….
So just pointing out here that as sick as another Braves collapse may make us……….let’s remember the real battle and real “scuffle” is for life and death….that makes it easier for me to put the game tonight in perspective…..
Go Braves…..
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
Ben Ingram @IngramRadio
This is actually the first time the #Braves have been swept on the road since May 21-24 at Cincinnati.
A couple of posters lost all credibility tonight, as if they had any to begin with.
You talking about yourself and some of the others who are like-minded, bud?
The A Bomb
September 12th, 2012
11:13 pm
Gant smells a choke as well.
monty
September 12th, 2012
11:15 pm
Lot to look forward to next season when 2 of our top 3 hitters for avg. will be gone.
Talk about low scoring.
N Nine
September 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
When will heyward getting his 20 20. Did his legs dry up?;
ChattTownBrian
September 12th, 2012
11:17 pm
I mean, I know Fredi ain’t the smartest, most strategic manager you’ll find, but come on now. He isn’t out there botching baseballs, watching fastball after fastball go right by him, getting rattled like a little leaguer when something goes wrong on the mound, and on and on. He gets under this fans skin too, but there’s only so much the guy can do.
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
Thanks, Dum-Bass.
All Het Up
September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
Dum and the rest never had any credibility to begin with, just a boxcar load of negative crap.
ChattTownBrian
September 12th, 2012
11:19 pm
And Reed got how many PA’s in the series? Seriously, that is what annoys me about Fredi. Reed is a solid bat out there that we definitely needed. Maholm wet his pants tonight, but games one and two he could’ve helped.
All Het Up
September 12th, 2012
11:20 pm
McLouth is hitting .274 .348 .419 .767 109 for the Orioles Yogi, try to keep up
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:24 pm
Agree with brava at 11pm. I also like being able to say I support usnavy
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:24 pm
^^^That, esp. the 2nd part!
Good night folks, don’t jump off any bridges or disparage the team. We’ll be fine.
Go Braves. Peace.
uga-brave
September 12th, 2012
11:25 pm
one extra base hit all series and it came on 3-0 cripple pitch.
one RBI all series and it came on that same pitch.
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:25 pm
Agree ctb reed should have been in there at least one game
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
That was directed at All Het Up btw. Nite all.
count_schemula
September 12th, 2012
11:26 pm
Some teams can give a Greinke away and still handle their biz.
nolie
September 12th, 2012
11:34 pm
Prometheus wasn’t great but it had to have been a better watch than that game
Capt.Mudd
September 12th, 2012
11:35 pm
The man….the game….the explaining experiment…..the tipping of the cap to the opponent….oh my mental health…..it comes, it goes……the skipper; Fredi.
brian
September 12th, 2012
11:36 pm
Count – they did not just give away Greinke……they got a very good package for a rental
count_schemula
September 12th, 2012
11:39 pm
did that package beat us tonight? even worse then
John Leonard
September 12th, 2012
11:40 pm
Two years in a row that Bourn has tired at the end of the season,and some want to give him a 5 to 7 year contract.There’s one born everyday.
count_schemula
September 12th, 2012
11:41 pm
I miss Beachy
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:44 pm
Thank you, brian, and I also support usnavy and agree with the truth.
tiger297
September 12th, 2012
11:46 pm
when its sleepy time down south…
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:48 pm
John Leonard, I personally would like to see Bourn back next season if we can get him without breaking the bank. Since he has an established track record of fading in the second half, maybe he will need more time off in the first half to help keep him fresh. He has played in 142 games this season.
Brava
September 12th, 2012
11:52 pm
Okay, I’m going to hit the hay now.
A good night to all.
John Leonard
September 12th, 2012
11:53 pm
Brava:Seeing what we had in the past, I can see your point,but what would you pay him?I would not pay him more than 8 a year for 3 years,and you know Boras will get him more.
nolie
September 12th, 2012
11:57 pm
yeah, even now Bourn is likely still looking at almost twice that money and perhaps twice the years John
nolie
September 12th, 2012
11:58 pm
they seem to like him though so if he falls to 15m per 5 years or so they might spring that much
John Leonard
September 13th, 2012
12:02 am
Agree nolie,but not on my dime.
The A Bomb
September 13th, 2012
12:06 am
ARIZONA 3 FORT KNOX 2 FINAL
NL is really weak.
Lou
September 13th, 2012
12:09 am
Nolie, My once every 2 weeks comment. Isn’t it very Skip Carayesque to still be needing to “sweep 3 to win the division”, it’s bad enough that he is only in a broadcast booth outside of Billings or Yakima,however, when he makes comments like that you must think that both granddad and dad are ordering a celestial nightcap. “Win the division”, just get Medlen lined up for the one game playoff and stop the BS. The Braves are in and the Nats are very good with or without Strasberg. Sweep them and you “cut it” to 5 1/2, and that would put them in 1964 Phillies range.
nolie
September 13th, 2012
12:13 am
I really don’t pay much attention to the announcers Lou, don’t really like any of then mucm
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
12:16 am
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Race for 2nd wild card is a doozy. Phils, crew win every day; cards, dodgers, bucs lose every day. #wild
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
12:18 am
Driving home I flipped between the Dodgers’ and Angels’ games and struck by various ironies that I am too tired to remember 15 minutes later…time to move away from baseball for the evening…good evening, all…
Veer
September 13th, 2012
12:22 am
People are saying Collapse but that is far from the truth. We can just win 20 percent of the games from here onwards and still make the post season because niether the Cards or Dodgers are doing anything. Bottom line is that we will be in the playoffs. No reason to panic. Yes it is frustrating to lose all these games but it’s not the end of the world.
In fact of all the wildcard contenders the Brewers would give Braves the least hardest time despite of the sweep. I am rooting for the Brewers to win the wildcard. Lets look at the contenders
1. Cardinals- Dangerous offense everyone is hitting .300 and with Loshe and Wainwright they can shut any team down
2. Dodgers- Kemp Hanley Gonzalez Either with Kershaw pitching.
3. Pirates- They are finished but I hope they make the wildcard because they are the easy to beat
4. Phillies- Not much offense won’t score many runs.Got good pitching but that is irrelvent as this won’t be a series it will be a game and their big 3 isn’t any better than Kershaw or Wainwright and thus I wouldn’t mind facing the Phillies in that 1 game
5. Brewers- Good home team pathetic road team. Will be away game for them if they play us. Apart from Gallardo they don’t have much pitching and Gallardo is inconsistent. Got to watch for Braun otherwise a team we can beat.
nolie
September 13th, 2012
12:22 am
Foggy Mountain Breakdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOIqmlI65Y
Veer
September 13th, 2012
12:28 am
Cardinals though will make it they got 9 games coming up vs Cubs and Astros.
They will go atleast 6-3 there.
Dodgers wil die with their schedule.
Pirates are done
Milwaukee and Phillies will need miracle
So Cardinals vs Braves
Wainwright vs Medlen
810 start on TBS
OCT 5TH in Atlanta GA
Carroll Rogers
September 13th, 2012
12:41 am
postgame quotes are up…..by my count, not one tip-your-cap, so at least there’s that.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/13/braves-postgame-quotes-after-wednesdays-loss/
John Leonard
September 13th, 2012
12:59 am
Thanks for the heads up on the tip your caps.I don’t read them when we lose,because of that,this old man goes postal when I read that%^$##@.Will read them this morning.Thanks again C.R.
Carroll Rogers
September 13th, 2012
1:01 am
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2012/09/12/braves-swept-by-red-hot-brewers/
final gamer is up, and judging by the fact that i see like one post since i put the quotes up, you guys have checked out.
Nite all.
nolie
September 13th, 2012
1:01 am
got no problem with cap-tippin’ myself. If they beat you, admit it.
John Leonard
September 13th, 2012
1:08 am
All for admitting it,but enough of the hat tipping.Why not just say they played better than us even though we have better players,but because I can’t manage or coach my players,we get beat over and over again by players with lesser talent.