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Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Yep, crazy talk – must be. But let’s look at this in a somewhat different light- Since the All Star break, boith Greinke and MInor have made ten starts.
Greinke has pitched 67.2 innjings in thos ten sta and has given up 29 ER.
Minor in his ten starts since the AS break, has pitched 63 innings (had a rain shortened start of 3.2IP) and given up 17 ER.
Oops. I’m talking crazy again.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Remember when Nate hit a walkoff homer for the Braves and evrybody left the dugout and went into the tunnel?
Dadgum....
September 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Problem is we have two top of the rotation type pitchers now in Medlen then Beachy when he returns mid-season. They are cheap right now. Gotta spend the money on the outfield. With Hudson and Minor anchoring the other spots and great prospects coming up like Teheran, Delgado, and eventually the Gilmartins of the organization we are looking good.
Two glaring problems roosting with the Braves are catcher and 2nd base. Those have been glaring weaknesses whose career numbers are declining over almost a two year period. That is horrible given the Braves were counting on them for the 4 & 5 power spots in the lineup. I would jettison McCann after next year and be aggressive in trading Uggla this year. Move Prado back to 2nd and scour the FA and trade markets for a 3rd baseman. Uggla is reminding me of Marcus Giles at 5 times the money.
Rock on….just sayin not beechin.
MVPrado14
September 13th, 2012
10:23 am
Everyone on here is so enamored with the huge lead the Braves have in the WC race that they are missing what’s really going on.
Do I think the Braves will win the WC? Yes. In fact, I think they will end up getting the top WC and hosting the one-game playoff.
But herein lies the problem. Each of the teams in contention for the other wild card have at least one or two pitchers that can easiliy shut down the Braves. Easily.
Can anything happen? Sure. But if you are resting your laurels on the Braves making a splash in the postseason, then the odds are not in their favor.
More than likely, this season will end on October 5th and Fredi will keep his job because the Braves made it to the “postseason”. Not good enough in my book.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
10:23 am
we really wanted Bourn and once we locked him up, there was only enough to get Raul Mondesi and Garrett Anderson for the team.
Why oh why did you even have to go here? I was having such a great morning.
ncscoots
September 13th, 2012
10:25 am
Should be a fun offseason of blogging.
I fear we may have different definitions of “fun”.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:25 am
Must be that amazing Atlanta defense.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:28 am
Oops. I’m talking crazy again.
So you think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke? Is that what you’re saying?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
10:30 am
Greinke still has a better ERA than Minor does for the year…. over the past 4 starts Greinke has 1.87 ERA, Minor at 2.59. Both are doing fine. Minor struggled for months at the beginning of the year, Greinke struggled for 3 starts with the Angels
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:30 am
I fear we may have different definitions of “fun”.
I should of put quotes around “fun” – I’m right there with you, scoots.
Dadgum....
September 13th, 2012
10:31 am
If the Braves win 2 of 3 from the Nats then they will cruise to the wild card win. If they are swept all bets are off for even the 2nd spot. They will be in official Tom Petty mode – freefallin’.
TennesseePaul
September 13th, 2012
10:31 am
So you think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke?
Well, … he is Polished.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:31 am
Greinke still has a better ERA than Minor does for the year….
And ya know, the whole career thing too which includes one of the best seasons by a pitcher in 100 years.
ncscoots
September 13th, 2012
10:31 am
Problem is we have two top of the rotation type pitchers now in Medlen then Beachy when he returns mid-season.
If that were true, I hardly think it would be a “problem”. But Beachy can’t be counted for anything next year, and I wonder if folks really, really want Medlen matching up against the likes of Halladay, Strasburg, Dickey, and Josh Johnson most of the time. And that’s just in the division.
I know people love the guy, but that does not seem a good Plan A to me.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
10:32 am
Must be that amazing Atlanta defense.
That’s part of it… our defense is much better than the Brewers and Angels defense. However, at the time that Greinke was traded, his ERA was better than any Braves starter. Explain that one, if he’s such an average pitcher.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:32 am
Well, … he is Polished.
And went to college. And is left handed.
+2 for Mike.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:33 am
What I’aying is that Zack Greinke is highly overrated based on one truly excellent season and Minor is a lot better than you want to admit.
I find it interesting that you site Minor’s ERA for a barely started career, yet conveniently disregard Greinke’s (which is nowhere near that of a number one or two pitcher) which is based on a ten year career in the majors.
But yeah – since the All Star break, Minor has pitched better than Greinke. Will he continue to develop at this rate? Who knows. But what I DO know is that Greinke has had severeasons in which to equal his great year and has come nowhere close. Spin it any way you see fit to – it doesn;t change those facts.
DAP
September 13th, 2012
10:34 am
do the braves have what it takes to get justin upton? that would be a nice get this offseason. it would help me settle for a so-so hitter in CF.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:35 am
And you can throw that “Polished bull manure out ther all you want to. It doesn’t change the fact that Minor has been pitching quite well for some time now and it’s eating you up.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
10:35 am
Uggla to Detroit, package him with someone like Gilmartin.. get us a return of something like Infante, McCann and Garcia.
Then sign us a pitcher… Greinke or Haren, first available.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
10:35 am
Also, Mike’s taller.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:36 am
Medlen matching up against the likes of Halladay, Strasburg, Dickey, and Josh Johnson most of the time. And that’s just in the division.
You’re so absurd, scoots. Medlen can match up against Godzilla, Moby Dick, and Darth Vader.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:36 am
And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:37 am
And Mike’s a hell of a lot cheaper, too.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:38 am
Minor has no ceiling. Uggla must be traded. And y’all think I live in LaLa land?
Dadgum....
September 13th, 2012
10:38 am
Scoots….that isn’t what I meant. Simply given historically great pitching from Medlen and Beachy coming back (hopefully solid 2nd half) we do have the top horses to go up against anyone. Would I like Greinke? Absolutely. Not at the cost of getting a stronger outfield and if Bourn leaves then we need two guys. As we have seen this year, and last for that matter, the Braves simply aren’t very strong offensively. Greinke ain’t coming to Atlanta it’s as simple as that IMO.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
10:39 am
I posted the comparisons a while back, Zack Greinke’s ERA through now (his age 28 season) compares pretty closely to some pitchers who are considered to be top pitchers in the MLB. Roy Halladay’s ERA was 3.70 ERA thru his age 28 season. Greinke is at 3.80
By age 28, Halladay had only put together 2 full start-to-finish seasons of starting. Greinke will have done 5. Not saying Greinke is a #1 like Doc, but he can at least be a #2.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
10:40 am
Efrim doesn’t find a way to include Minor in every post he makes like the loonies.
Fols
September 13th, 2012
10:40 am
Nothing like flipping over to the ESPN website and having a main page article about Nate McClouth coming through with game winning hits in September.
What is it with Atlanta? Not like Nate is having a very good year, but still…….what is it about this city, this team that has to play it’s worst ball right now while relatively healthy?
Turn it around boys! Those wins against the Mets don’t hold any water…..you want to prove you’re in the big show dance, beat the Nats this weekend or forever just bow out.
Please…beat them…
the Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 13th, 2012
10:40 am
DADGUM:
I agree on the pitching side of things.
I still don’t think BOURN lands in ATLANTA although I expect WREN to make a sizable offer to keep him.
No, I see HEYWARD in CF with PRADO in left and REED JOHNSON in right off today’s roster……and that’s scary.
Down of the FARM
Older experienced players are limited. I liked JORDAN PARRAZ a lot, but evidently he was hurt much of the season, and has not regained form as yet.
Having ‘GEORGIE’ patrolling CF on a full-time basis is not having MIKE BOURN there, and I think most everyone can see that. At the plate there is NO comparison.
STEF GARTRELL tried hard, but has come up short.
FELIX PIE, LUIS DURANGO, JOSH KROEGER? Bench material.
In the lower minors, GATTIS, CUNNINGHAM, TERDOSLAVICH, MILLIGAN, HEFFLINGER, SKINNER are not ML material in my estimation, at least not off what they showed in AA and below. JOEY T. probably has the potential to be a starter someday, but that glove……oh my.
No, EVAN GATTIS is the best OF prospect down on the farm right now. He did play some LF [37 G] this season, converting back to C and 1B after returning from that serious broken wrist injury. Assuming he mends completely this off-season, he’s the hot ticket to come to ATLANTA and make some noise. But by next season? Very questionable, and at 26 there is some angst associated with his longevity.
CUNNINGHAM is very limited power-wise [2012 .403 slg]. This despite a .309 BA. He is not AL SIMMONS at the plate, not yet anyway.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
10:44 am
Uggla must be traded. And y’all think I live in LaLa land?
You are if you don’t think it can be done. Uggla has and always will be nothing more than a very good complimentary hitter in a lineup. The problem is.. we don’t have the parts around him to help benefit from his abilities. Detroit however won’t depend on him solely to carry the lineup. He’d work quite well in their lineup. I don’t see why you don’t think he’d be a good match for them.
DAP
September 13th, 2012
10:44 am
arkansas transplant I don’t think the WC is in jeopardy at all. I’m more worried about having the big MO going into the playoffs.
totally agree here. the braves just need to put their head down and concentrate on playing better. the wins will come, and they need to have some things straightened out by oct. 5th.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:45 am
And you can throw that “Polished bull manure out ther all you want to. It doesn’t change the fact that Minor has been pitching quite well for some time now and it’s eating you up.
No, it isn’t. He’s exactly what every single analyst has said he is, Lew. A mid-rotation starter ceiling. Nothing I’ve seen from Mike Minor over 60+ starts has made me believe otherwise.
And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi.
If you truly believe that then you’re dumber than I thought, man. Sorry Lew, but I’m not letting you get away with calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter”. That’s the dumbest comment I’ve seen from you in quite some time. You’ve twisted everything I’ve said ab out Minor to make it sound like I thought he wasn’t a major league pitcher and every bit of it is false. Sijnce day one the issue was that we drafted him #7 overall and his mid-rotation ceiling and high floor was what I’ve “pounded” on. But continue to spew garbage and lies because you’re mad that you got caught out calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter” – which is again, one of the dumber things I’ve ever heard you say.
George_George
September 13th, 2012
10:47 am
Morning all
Below is a repost that deserves to be reposted.
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Plate Appearance
September 13th, 2012
5:24 am
CONGRATULATIONS CHIPPER
Mark Bowman of the Braves MLB web site writes:
“With a little more than three weeks left in his storied career, Chipper Jones has joined an elite group that previously only included Hall of Famers Stan Musial, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams and Lou Gehrig.
The walk Jones drew to begin the fourth inning of Wednesday night’s game against the Brewers was the 1,500th of his career. This marked the last milestone that he had to hit to join these legends in this select group.
Musial, Ruth, Williams, Gehrig and Jones are the only players in Major League history to record at least 2,500 hits, 1,500 walks, 1,500 runs, 500 doubles, 450 home runs and 1,500 RBIs while hitting .300 with a .400 on-base percentage and .500 slugging percentage.
Jones’ career statistics entering Wednesday included: 2,716 hits, 1,499 walks, 1,611 runs, 547 doubles, 468 home runs, 1,620 RBIs, .304 batting average, .401 on-base percentage and a .531 slugging percentage.” — End quote.
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
10:47 am
rich…err…Ghost – I hope your wife is doing better. Tholughts and Prayers still coming your way, my friend.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:48 am
Efrim doesn’t find a way to include Minor in every post he makes like the loonies.
Exactly. “Polished” is more of a joke that I’ve had with TenneseePaul and others because it’s used to describe high floor starters like Minor or Gilmartin – guys that have that quality of pitchability and don’t blow you away with their overall stuff.
Sopheee
September 13th, 2012
10:48 am
Remember when Nate hit a walkoff homer for the Braves and evrybody left the dugout and went into the tunnel?
I still have that game on the DVR. If I remember correctly, we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
Greinke… he stay in Anaheim (Orange County)… laid back, fun & sun, surfing, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Laguna… Beach. Orange County (coastal) is plenty different community than nasty, smoggy L.A. Chavez Ravine, gritty, nasty.
Angels, they have loads of bucks to make Greinke happy and smiley. Fun & Sun + Big Bucks = ?
I think Greinke stay smiley in southern California play land.
Fols
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
I remember that….to be honest when a player hits his first homerun, or at least a big homerun, I watch for that kind of thing in the dugout.
I laughed so hard! It’s been done a couple times by the Braves, I wonder who stirs that up?
Great memory Sopheee!
Dadgum....
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
Richbrave….I don’t see Heyward manning CF full time. Ever. He is OK defensively but not CF material except in emergencies. Given a strong FA group in CF that is the only route I see the Braves going for that position. I agree that Bourn lands elsewhere. Probably the Nats. The Braves will end up with an impact player in CF no doubt though.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.
Sopheee, how dare you revisit that past. Shame.. shame.
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
I really can’t understand how a professional baseball team can play a 3 game series and average around an earned run a game.
But enough about the Dodgers…
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
10:52 am
AT – I don’t think Detroit, or anyone else would even consider Uggla, without Braves paying most of his salary…something they WILL NOT do.
You are the biggest serial offender of the “someone else will be glad to take our undesirables” faction. If he’s so bad that we desparately need to dump him, then why would another GM do us a big favor, and take him off of our hands?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
10:52 am
A repost that deserves to be reposted again? Man, it’s gotta be good!
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
10:52 am
Craig Calcaterra, after discussing Chipper’s sausage:
The Braves have road series remaining against the Marlins, the Phillies and the Pirates. Any guesses as to what they give him? The Phillies will probably do well. Not sure about the Pirates. I figure the Marlins will give him a gift card for gas or something because Loria goes all out.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:52 am
Calling me stupid changes nothing Efrim. It does, however prove you to be a total douche.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
10:53 am
If I remember correctly, we went on a 10 game losing streak starting the next game.
Geeeze, Nate…
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
10:54 am
Greinke… I should add, pretty, pretty girls in Orange County. Pretty girls on the beaches, pretty girls in the malls… pretty girls everywhere (almost as many as there are illegals).
Don’t know if Greinke has a wifey or tight girlfriend, but he gotta like those pretty, pretty California girls.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
10:56 am
Greinke isn’t good enough to be a #3… Minor’s better than him
George_George
September 13th, 2012
10:56 am
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:36 am
And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.
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S/O Lew
a couple of days ago in a post I said I was wrong about criticizeing FREDI for running MINOR out there every 5 days to get beat up on. I also said MINOR has developed into a fine pitcher.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
10:56 am
Calling me stupid changes nothing Efrim. It does, however prove you to be a total douche.
This sort of comment: And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.
Is going to get you that sort of response, Lew. You should know better after all these years. I don’t push unless someone starts with me.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
10:58 am
You’re not letting me get away with it? WTF are you going to do? Send me to bed without my supper? Whatever. I guess my next comment should be you’re not the boss of me? Only if I wanted to be as juvelnile as you.
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
10:59 am
The other day Jayson Stark looked at two way playoff possibilities – today he ponders 3 team options:
Let’s lay out just one potential scenario for you.
Say the Cardinals, Dodgers and Brewers all tie. Thanks to rules way too convoluted to run through here, the Brewers, at least for the moment, would get to pick the format of a three-way tiebreaker. They could choose to play two home games to decide that spot or one road game. And we’d guess they’d opt to play once, not twice. So …
On the day after the end of the season (Thursday, Oct. 4), the Cardinals and Dodgers would play a tiebreaker game. That game, for now, would be played in Los Angeles (because the Dodgers lead that season series 4-3 heading into the four-game series between those teams in L.A. this weekend).
So that would set up this potential schedule:
Thursday: Cardinals at Dodgers
Friday: Brewers at Cardinals, or Brewers at Dodgers
Saturday: Winner of tiebreaker at Braves
Sunday: Wild-card survivor hosts Reds or Nationals
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
11:01 am
Now, now, boys (Efrim and Lew), let’s have a Kumbaya moment and save our fire for the dolts and dopes who post here when the sledding gets rough for our beloved Atlanta Braves.
And think how smiley and happy Greinke is in California play land, huh?
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:01 am
Don’t know if Greinke has a wifey or tight girlfriend, but he gotta like those pretty, pretty California girls.
He does have a wife… the very lovely Emily Kuchar (Ms. Daytona Beach 2008). She’d fit right in with the rest of the lovely ATL ladies.
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
11:01 am
http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/stark_jayson/id/8369571/wild-race-second-wild-card-national-league
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
11:02 am
You’re not letting me get away with it?
You think Mike Minor is a better pitcher than Zack Greinke. Okay. Give me something more than 12 starts to prove your point. If you think these 12 starts mean that he’s better, then I have a tough time with that given the sample. And I’d like you to also justify calling Greinke a “decent #3 starter”. Even just lookin gat his ERA doesn’t prove that unless you think a #3 is a 3.80 ERA – which is not the case. And of course, just using ERA and nothing else has to be how you support your case, right? Please.
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
11:02 am
He does have a wife… the very lovely Emily Kuchar (Ms. Daytona Beach 2008). She’d fit right in with the rest of the lovely ATL ladies.
Poor Greinke. In the southern California candy shop and all he can do is browse!
Sopheee
September 13th, 2012
11:02 am
That’s nothing, Arky. The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets in the midst of our
collapselittle losing streak.Lew
September 13th, 2012
11:03 am
Efrim – All I did was to point out facts and you got all pissed off – like you usually do when someone dares to take a different stance than yours. I should know better? Whatever. I’m waypast the age of needing a mentor to teach me what I supposedly don’t know – but if I were looking for one, it wouldn’;t have been you.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
11:07 am
something they WILL NOT do. – raleighbravefan
In all due respect, I think your extremely way off base here thinking we’d have to pay any of it to move him. I don’t think we would. As far as saying he’s got no value? I’ve never once said that, but he does have more value in certain types of situations. One being that the Tigers wouldn’t look to him as their big run producer, nor would they have to with the lineup they could run out there day after day unlike the Braves where they strictly went all in hoping he’d be the run producer they were missing.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
11:08 am
Craig Calcaterra, after discussing Chipper’s sausage:
You don’t think there was a better way to word that?
George_George
September 13th, 2012
11:08 am
We lost last night. What is it with this Simmons kid? He sits out week after week with a broken finger, then in his second day back he goes down again with a ankle. Is he injurey prone? Don’t they teach how to slide in ST or low minors?
Lew
September 13th, 2012
11:09 am
No – YOU asked if I thought that and whai replied was that since the All Star break, the numbers say that he is better.
Right now with the way Minor has been pitching (and I don’t know how you can claim that he’s been anything but quite good), he’s given up less earned runs (by a fairly large margin) than Greinke in similar IP and equal starts since the All Star break.
I’ve alsso said thai have no idea if it will continue or iff Minor will develop further. But, he’s been showing much more than you and others have expected ince he was signed.
And obsessive? OK, maybe that was a tad bit over the top, but to me (and others here), it’s certainly appeared that you have not only disagreed with him being drafted number seven, but you’ve gone out of your way to rail about it ewver since he was drad and you seemingly aren’t pleased that he’s improved.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
11:10 am
The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets
That was 2 years ago. Unless there was another instance. I just remember Bobby leaving Lowe in while the Mets scored at will and the scoreboard people had to figure out how to add triple digits to a single inning.
Sopheee
September 13th, 2012
11:10 am
What is it with this Simmons kid?
Welcome to the club, Andrelton.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:10 am
The other day I was thinking about how last year this time I was at Turner Field watching D-Lowe give up 96 runs in the first three innings vs. the Mets in the midst of our collapse little losing streak.
Or even against the Phillies in game 161…. while Fredi sat there and watched. Oh, and DLowe gave up his runs by the 2nd….
the Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 13th, 2012
11:12 am
Dadgum….
September 13th, 2012
10:50 am
Richbrave….I don’t see Heyward manning CF full time. Ever. He is OK defensively but not CF material except in emergencies. Given a strong FA group in CF that is the only route I see the Braves going for that position. I agree that Bourn lands elsewhere. Probably the Nats. The Braves will end up with an impact player in CF no doubt though…..”
HEYWARD in CF….laughable. Won’t happen. I was pointing out just where we are without BOURN. Something I think we must accept. No, I’m agreeing with you that we need a major talent in CF next year because it will be empty, and there’s nothing on the shelf to replace him.
MIKE MORSE in LF next year for the BRAVES would be nice. Of course, I’ve liked him every since I first noticed him in a NATS uniform. He’s due $7 million however on the back end of a two-year deal. FA after that at 31 years of age. Prolly not an option.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
11:12 am
And you can’t judge a pitcher by how many earned runs he gives up? When was the last time a game was decided by comparing how many strikeouts each pitcher had?
David O'Brien
September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Quite possible the worst bullpen management I’ve ever seen!
DOB would it be to much toask for you to not throw softballs at FG tonight and ask WTF HE IS DOING!!!!!!!! — Ric Flair to Right
Yes, it would be too much to ask, since I was sitting in my living room in Atlanta while the postgame press conference was taking place in Milwaukee.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
Poor Greinke. In the southern California candy shop and all he can do is browse!
Great malls, people, fans, and schools in Georgia! My fandom alone makes it worth it for Zack to come here!
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
All I did was to point out facts and you got all pissed off – like you usually do when someone dares to take a different stance than yours
Mike Minor has a career 4.56 ERA, 87 ERA+. Zack Greinke has a career 3.80 ERA, 113 ERA+.
Just pointing out all of the facts and you got all pissed off and decided to go with this comment:
And the way you’ve punded on the Kid ever since he was drafted makes you look every bit as obsessed as Riobert with Cox and George with Fredi. Must be that newly wedded bliss that’s obscuring it from you.
What reaction would you expect? You bailed on stats and went to comparing me to Robert’s obsession with Bobby Cox.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
George George – he sounds like a real wuss. I can’t believe he doesn’t work every day, even with a sprained ankle.
Hey, remember that time you went into work on Christmas with a concussion, a cracked spine, and cholera?
David O'Brien
September 13th, 2012
11:13 am
George is so obsessed with DOB’s schedule, that there is a BOLO out on him for stalking. — raleighbravefan
Hasn’t gotten to that point, but would anyone be shocked if it did? I mean, seriously. I wouldn’t.
Sopheee
September 13th, 2012
11:14 am
There was a game last year where we lost 12-2 and Lowe lasted two innings and gave up 6 runs. All I remember is before I could even sit down the Mets had 4 runs in the first.
jeffrey d
September 13th, 2012
11:14 am
Yes, it would be too much to ask, since I was sitting in my living room in Atlanta while the postgame press conference was taking place in Milwaukee.
Yeah well….you should’ve called!!
Venice Jim
September 13th, 2012
11:17 am
I was waiting to see who’d take the bait…
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
11:17 am
But, he’s been showing much more than you and others have expected ince he was signed.
You don’t get it. A 4.56 career ERA, 87 OPS+ is exactly what I expected. He has a mid-rotation starter ceiling. I’ve said that since day one. You can look back through the blog archives.
CB
September 13th, 2012
11:19 am
DOB, a poor excuse is better than none!
the Ghost of Chipper Jones
September 13th, 2012
11:19 am
Hey, O’BRIEN get up off the sofa and hop a jet….at your own expense, Ric Flair wants some hard-ball questions asked of FG.
Say maybe……..CHRIS MATHEWS instead!
Yeah, Ric how about that?
HEH!
DAVID: Just trying to highlight how ludicrous that stateemnt to you was. Not taking any shot at anyone other than RicFlair.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
11:19 am
Okay, I’m getting a headache… can we quit talking about DLowe?
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
11:19 am
ERA+. Whoops.
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
11:21 am
What is it with this Simmons kid? He sits out week after week with a broken finger, then in his second day back he goes down again with a ankle. Is he injurey prone? Don’t they teach how to slide in ST or low minors?
Fundamentals taught? Not like they used to, my dear, DOB-obsessed Jorge_Jorge.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:21 am
A rotation of 5 Mike Minor’s is so much better than one with 5 Greinke’s in it…. in fact, we should go with 5 young ‘uns in our rotation next year, sign Bourn to a 5yr deal at 16mil each since he fills so many holes
, and let Juan start at 3rd and have Prado play every day. Sounds perfect.
Efrim
September 13th, 2012
11:21 am
And you can’t judge a pitcher by how many earned runs he gives up?
Never said you can’t, but it shouldn’t be the only thing you’re looking at. I’d rather look at all of it as oppose to just focusing on ERA. Heck, that’s why I think Minor is better than a 4.56.
Sopheee
September 13th, 2012
11:24 am
Okay, I’m getting a headache… can we quit talking about DLowe?
I know the feeling, Greinke does the same thing to me.
Lew
September 13th, 2012
11:25 am
Efrim – OK, well I guess if you want a piece of me for that comparison, I don’t live all that far from you. Personally, I’d as soon take you out to dinner, but I’ll give you one shot if that’s what you think is fair.
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
11:27 am
The Greinke versus Minor thing is somewhat interesting, but really… It’s kinda blowing in the wind.
Yes, Greinke could come to Atlanta. I suppose Wren may make a play for him. But I really do think that the Angels have the inside track to retain Greinke’s services. Big budget that can fairly easily absorb the high dollar, long term deal that Greinke wants.
I wager Greinke stays right where he is. Don’t see all the Greinke-to-Atlanta chatter as connected to the reality of the situation.
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
11:29 am
AT – Why would Detroit pay him big $$$ if he isn’t a big run producer? Seriously, it doesn’t add up to me…AT ALL.
O.M.G.
September 13th, 2012
11:31 am
What’s a BOLO?
Jeff R
September 13th, 2012
11:33 am
What’s a BOLO?
A tie, western-wear.
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:33 am
Quite often when Greinke is brought up, an argument starts…. involving Minor as well. Why?
Lew
September 13th, 2012
11:34 am
BOLO – Be on the lookout, or a rope with balls on it that Argentinian gauchos (cowboys) use to stop cattle by throwing it around their legs.
O.M.G.
September 13th, 2012
11:37 am
OK got it. Carry on.
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
11:39 am
Lew is right…I meant Be On the Lookout. I guess I read too many Michael Connelly books.
chipontheroad
September 13th, 2012
11:39 am
Mike Minor has certainly made great strides this year ,as has medlen,and Delgado.Hudson has battled through some nagging injuries as has Hanson.Beachy damn it all was my ace.
Greinke can pitch for whomever can afford him we can’t.
The right piece is out there I trust Wren to find that piece.In my mind we need a fireballer to throw batters off during the course of a series to go with our “surgical”staff
TheOnlyBravesFan
September 13th, 2012
11:41 am
Fireballers aren’t the answer necessarily. Though if we had Greinke, he’d be the closest thing to a fireballer that we’d have. He throws harder than any of our starters.
Arkansas Transplant
September 13th, 2012
11:43 am
raleighbravefan – Like I said, he’s a very good complimentary piece in the lineup. But he’s in no way shape or form the main piece which is something the Braves were wanting him to be and something the Tiger’s wouldn’t need him to be.
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
11:44 am
Greinke will be in SoCal next year.
I know this will throw many in a tizzy, including my friend scoots, but I would be OK with Huddy (post bone spur op), Minor, Medlen, Maholm, and the best of Teheran, Delgodo, Sheets, and Signable. In 2014, we would have Beachy back, and probably Graham, as well.
I would rather spend money on bats (OF), bench, and BP. If a trade for a top pitcher becomes available, that’s great, too.
raleighbravefan
September 13th, 2012
11:45 am
AT – I’m done with that horse, but I will agree to strongly disagree.