Braves postgame quotes after Tuesday’s loss

FREDI GONZALEZ

On balls to track, two with runners on:

“Well, we didn’t swing the bats. I mean we swung the bats hard, let me say, even in the first inning when Prado lines out to first base. We just couldn’t get it off the wall or in front of them to get some runs. We’ve got to keep swinging. We scored one run yesterday, none today. We go out tomorrow and win the ballgame, we go 4-2 on the road trip and we’ll take that. Right now we’re not feeling real good about ourselves because we haven’t swung the bats but you feel always optimistic that you’ll get a good performance tomorrow, start swinging the bats and it’s a 4-2 road trip and we’ll have a happy plane right going back home. I thought Huddy was nails. That seventh inning got a little crazy with a call here or there and ground ball that got through that maybe shouldn’t have, but again bottom line is we didn’t swing the bats.”

On how important it is to the lineup to get Michael Bourn going at top:

“It’s very important. He causes problems on the basepaths when he’s on. He creates runs with his legs. We’ve got to get him going. We’ve got to get him going and we will. He came in today and Greg (Walker) saw a couple things that he wanted to work on and fix, but we need to get him going.”

On if Hudson ran out of steam in seventh:

“He only had 75 (80) pitches. it was a beautiful night. I didn’t think anything of it like that. I think a couple base hits and then we get an out second and third, groundball double play with Segura running which is a tough one. Do you play the infield in in a one-run game and you make sure you cut the play at home, but if you play the infield in, now you’re in a situation where you’re going to get a big inning and still you’ve got two more at-bats. I thought Danny and Simme did a nice job. It was bang-bang at first. And it was still a two-run game, we just couldn’t get those left-handers out.”

On if saw any interference at second on double play:

“I didn’t see it, because as soon as Danny dishes the ball out, you’re looking for that runner at first base and I didn’t see if it was or not.”

TIM HUDSON

On Ramirez’s ball:

“It was a close play. It was one of those innings that things fell their way. We really didn’t have a whole lot of luck go our way that inning. A couple hits that probably could have been outs, a couple close calls that probably could have gone our way but it’s a frustrating game. I feel like I was pretty good as far as I felt like I had one of my better sinkers going that I’ve had in a while. To give up that many runs especially late when their guys are really putting up some good innings against us, it’s pretty frustrating because their guys – you’ve got to tip your hat to their guys over there. They were making some pitches.”

On rolling going into the seventh:

“I felt fine. I felt good. I still felt strong. It was probably the worst inning that I had all night, just from a quality of pitch standpoint. They took advantage of it. you’ve got to give them credit but at the same time, the play to start the inning was a pretty close play and we got the double play ball that it was just one of those innings that got away from us. Four runs seemed like a dozen at that point in the game because their guys were really throwing the ball good tonight.”

On four balls to warning track:

“It was just one of those guys. A couple balls just about hit out of the park. We could have blown it open. It didn’t fall into place for us.”

CHIPPER JONES

On balls to the track:

“Both of Mac’s had topspin. I don’t think Overbay’s gets out. I didn’t crush it, but I thought I got enough of it. But it happens. Got to get all of it to hit it out.”

On hitting some balls hard with nothing to show:

“Well we swung the bats better than what the scoreboard showed at the end. I thought we put some good at-bats up. We made some solid contact. Their right fielder seems to be standing in front of everything we hit out there. I thought Huddy pitched great. Got a little unlucky there in the seventh. But they’re playing well right now. We’ve just got to try to salvage the series and salvage a winning road trip.”

On a couple bang-bang plays go your way, different game:

“Yeah, I could tell from third Ramirez was out to start the seventh. That changes the whole complexion of the inning. On nights when you don’t get breaks, calls go against you, it’s not a shock.”

On if saw any interference on the double play:

“I didn’t see any of that. I thought we turned it as quickly as we could and the guy can fly.”

On if sense guys are getting frustrated, how dealing with lack of results:

“I don’t know. You go up there and you grind out every at-bat. Some days it’s good enough. Some days it’s not. I felt great at the plate. I felt like I put four good at-bats up there tonight. Hit a couple balls off the barrel just got under them a little bit. Every swing is not going to be perfect. We’ve just got to keep these guys loose and keep them from pressing. We know our offense starts at the top, and we’ve been struggling to get on base early in the innings to be able to put pressure on the defense. And that’s the reason why we’ve been struggling offensively, I think.”

LYLE OVERBAY

On if Ramirez was out at first:

“Ah, you go back and look at the replay. Those are close calls. Just happened to not go our way. He hit the ball hard. It’s one of those things that’s unlucky more than anything.”

On if bang-bang plays go the other way, different ballgame:

“Yeah it’s kind of a playoff-type thing where those little things that don’t go your way kind of make the difference. They had some bleeders that kind of fell and timely hitting, where it seemed like we hit the ball hard and nothing to show for it. It’s one of those days we’ve got to come back tomorrow and figure out how to get those bleeders.”

On Aoki being all over the place this series:

“He’s been kind of a headache for everything. He’s been playing good defense and hitting the ball, getting timely hitting. He’s kind of started them, as the leadoff guy to get them going.”

On if thought he might have got that ball to the track:

“Yeah it just kind of topspinned on me. If I backspin it, it goes. You hit it hard and hopefully it goes backspin. Normally it flies pretty good here. You’ve just got to get it up in the air like Aramis did.”

On if makes a difference with roof open:

“Usually it does. Playing here, I remember you get a little jet stream – not big, but usually it was going out one of the sides, either right or left. But it seemed like it was knocking everything down.”

84 comments Add your comment

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
12:24 am

Love Chipper’s not-so-subtle shot at Bourn, whose market value drops daily. The rest of these comments are just garden variety garbage that we hear every time about the offense. Funny how often things just don’t go our way. Bottom line is our lineup has about as much life as the Cubs and Astros.

reckingball

September 12th, 2012
12:50 am

The Braves luck will change, some of those balls will start falling in for hits, when they have RISP.
No need to abandon ship.
go braves

A fan in China

September 12th, 2012
1:07 am

I love to read David and Carroll’s postgame quotes, but not today. The problem is that we don’t have the killing instinct like the Phillies do or like any team with championship character would have. Nine hits, no runs yesterday, says a lot! Even we got all the breaks today, so what, it’s still 1-0, not a win. Stop whining, start playing good baseball. Plus, like Gonzalez did yesterday, the manager needs to say more publically or in private about some dumb plays. It may not be a bad idea to rest Mike for a couple of days to recharge. His batting average for the season has been down to .280.
Go Braves.

lee maye

September 12th, 2012
1:21 am

Time to play Costanza for a while in place of Bourn and see if he can get the team going. Noticed Uggla is trying to change his uppercut swing to just make contact. No power that way, then he strikes out anyway.

Time to quit using the old guy Batista. He is throwing BP. Try the young guns in relief, Delgado and Teheran. At least, they have a chance to strike someone out.

gotigers72

September 12th, 2012
1:36 am

Bourn’s contract value/free agent value goes down daily. He has really gone in the ditch since the All Star break after being so smoking hot before the ASB. He strikes out WAY too much, especially for a leadoff hitter. Can’t just throw him under the bus though. If you look under that bus, you’ll see every Braves hitter has been under there at some time or another this year. I think Uggla and McCann both pitched tents under there for a couple of months. Almost all of their pitchers have also been under there. Kimbrel, Medlen and O’Flaherty being the exceptions.

It’s just hard to believe that all hitters at the same time have tanked so badly in the clutch for TWO YEARS IN A ROW IN SEPTEMBER with everything on the line! SHEESH! The pitching has not been good, it has been fantastic. With just a little more run support in the right places, the Braves would be knocking on the Nats door for the division lead and not just a playoff spot.

FW said that he didn’t make many offseason changes because he didn’t believe the lineup could tank so bad AGAIN. Guess what Frankie. They can and they did. IF he is around after this year, and that’s a big if, I’ll bet he will make more changes this offseason. To get rid of some of the excess garbage [hear that Danny?], and get some guys in here that can hit with RISP. 15th in that category since the All Star break is absolutely unacceptable.

jim lanham

September 12th, 2012
2:02 am

1st off i met fredi tp kimbrel and guerrin at the harley museum today. absolutely 1000% accommodating and friendly beyond the call of duty. an amazing experience..can you please pass along my thanks again? i probably thanked them 200 times in person, but its not enough.. tell them the little guy from the museum had his whole vacation and year made thru their friendliness!2nd lets get a win! i ll be in sec 126 row 5 seat 20 if anyone wants to say hello!

drbasic1

September 12th, 2012
3:06 am

DOB

can you get other players for post game quotes??……….Really sick of Fredi’s same old same old…..every freaking day, he say the same thing…well we got some knocks, well, we hit it hard, well it was tough breaks….bla, bla, bla…….same crud!!
Appreciate yours as well as the other reporters hard work, but please give fredi a break…..he stinks!

Michael

September 12th, 2012
3:19 am

Agree with drbasic1. Besides, Fredi does not seem to stick to your question. You ask one thing but he talks about another. Funny things is – when you ask about someone’s hit, he will bring Uggla if he happens to have a hit that day.

No. 1 Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
4:19 am

Conflicting and confusing quotes…. Fredi says Braves did not swing the bats and Chipper said he thought they swung the bats well.

Jasons Shrinking Waist

September 12th, 2012
6:16 am

Phillys are coming strong,its gettin nervous again

Braves quotes are just blah blah blah

Mendoza Line

September 12th, 2012
6:27 am

IT’S FREDI TIME

It’s another September loss that Fredi did little to reverse with his managerial decisions.

And it’s another sterling pitching effort wasted.

Yes, it’s Fredi time!

cornjolio

September 12th, 2012
6:39 am

“Braves quotes are just blah blah blah”

The Braves’ players are blah blah blah.

The Braves are in post-season form right now. It’ll be one and done.

RBI

September 12th, 2012
6:45 am

It is hard to tell if they are just tired, (again), or just have no heart left.
Regardless, I think a clean sweep of the coaching staff and GM for next year would help, along with a look at the conditioning staff.

terry bellamy

September 12th, 2012
7:13 am

only difference from last year is teams behind us in wildcard are not winning games either.our in ability to play small ball or a get a hit with the bases loaded continues to astound braves fans.we need a transfusion in the worst way.

Joey

September 12th, 2012
7:22 am

With hindsight, wish we woulda traded Bourn back in June. Not getting lead-off hits and sucks as bad as everbody else with RISP.

Thank goodness we didn’t offer him a big extension. He needs to go back to Houston so he won’t have to feel that pennant-race pressure.

Joey

September 12th, 2012
7:32 am

So, Frank Wren has put together a team, on a tight budget, that has the 4th best record in MLB, would be in 1st place in half of the divisions in MLB, and 19 games over .500.

And some of you want to run Wren out of town basically because Mac and Uggla are hitting .70 points below below their career averages?

Yeah, that makes sense . . .

alex

September 12th, 2012
7:47 am

@Joey, your comment certainly has significant validity, I guess some of us are tired of significant stretches of mediocrity…

JT

September 12th, 2012
8:03 am

Man there for a minute I thought Venters was pitching the 7th inning. Hudson seems to have a good game and then 2 bad ones in a row.
Maybe we should put him on the 6 day rotation.
Uggla? I think we can just say “ditto” on him, as all of the thing said about him this year, still apply, he is worse than horrible, that play at second, any second base player makes that throw, but oh no, not dumb ass Uggla. Piece of CRAP!!!

JT

September 12th, 2012
8:04 am

Wouldn’t it be great if we came up with a “below the Uggla line” instead of Mendoza????

Buddy Landel

September 12th, 2012
8:11 am

JT- really weak to call someone a name online

cornjolio

September 12th, 2012
8:12 am

Joey,

In recent years teams with smaller or comparable payrolls have reached the World Series, something the Braves haven’t done since 1999.

Don’t give us the Liberty Media is cheap nonsense. Who acquired such overpaid clowns like Uggla, Lowe, McLouth & Kawakami in recent years, and who will likely give McCann an undeserved contract extension after this season?

Frank Wren.

henry tn

September 12th, 2012
8:37 am

a good manager would have taken huddy out when he gave up the back to back hits huddy being 37 yrs old and around 90 pitches…. the brewers will sweep them….

SteveC-GT

September 12th, 2012
8:37 am

Uh, they “swung the bats” like beer league softball hitters swinging for the fence — when a few singles or doubles would have won the game for them. Same old, same old…..

Joey

September 12th, 2012
8:48 am

cornjolio, Wren doesn’t gave the luxury of hindsight. If all of those players you named only performed to their career averages, no better, just the same, then those were great deals. It’s not like he obtained players who had terrible numbers. And “nonsense?” The Dodgers and Yankees, Phillies have what, 3 times the payroll? And maybe Tampa Bay had a smaller payroll than the Braves, but I bet they are the only one.

Mac is well-liked so Wren will have to be delicate, but I bet he lets Mac’s agent set the price too high, then understandably pass. He knows we’ve got a replacement in the minors ready to go next year.

Uggla hit 30+ dingers in each of his first 5 years with no drop-off. You had to believe he would do it for the next 5, right?

NorCal Brave

September 12th, 2012
9:14 am

You want to talk payroll? Start with the Oakland A’s. Lowest in the majors at under $50-million, and a roster full of unknowns. The A’s have the 2nd best record in the AL and are pushing Texas hard for the division title. Rangers payroll is 120-million.

alex

September 12th, 2012
9:19 am

@joey, uggla is in the increasingly long line of mlb players who get the big contract then decline, frankly, I don’t think he was worth anywhere near 12 mill for a 260 median ba, 30 dingers or not…..and by frankly I do not mean frank wrenn frankly….

bobby

September 12th, 2012
9:22 am

The Braves pitchers should sue the hitters for non-support.

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alex

September 12th, 2012
9:42 am

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Lyle Stevens II

September 12th, 2012
9:57 am

Well, it’s just karma, after all. I mean, considering that Atlanta stole the Braves away from Milwaukee back in ‘66. Baseball has never been the same without the Milwaukee Braves on the diamond!

Joey

September 12th, 2012
10:02 am

So, what was he worth, alex? $11 million? 9.5 million?

Again, hindsight . . .

Bill M.

September 12th, 2012
10:05 am

I support Wren & F.G to a certain point. I believe Braves will be in playoff’s but will not go farther. This off season something has to be done about the hitting and let’s not blame the hitting coaches. This off season, I think it’s time for Hanson, McCann,Venters and Bourn to move on. I’m hoping at the end of season Liberty will announce they are selling the Braves.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:12 am

The 7th inning was no big deal, the game was over in the 1st inning, next years rotation should look like this:

l. Medlen
2. Minor
3. Delgdo
4. Maholm
5. Teheran

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:27 am

The post season begins the day after the 1 game playoff, just getting the WC does not mean we are in the playoff’s. Next years lineup should look something like this
l. Heyward CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Wright 3B
4. Hamilton LF
5. Freeman 1B
6. Gattis LF
7. Simmons SS
8. Ross C

Same Ole negative dumbazz comments

September 12th, 2012
10:28 am

I agree with 95% of these comments.
Could not have said it better, myself.

Humboldt Harry

September 12th, 2012
10:31 am

Ralph, you forgot to put Beachy in next year’s rotation. He might be the best of them all.

Humboldt Harry

September 12th, 2012
10:34 am

And getting David Wright as a replacement for Chipper would be a very smart move, in my opinion. Much better than resigning Bourn.

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Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:37 am

If Wren can get rid of Uggla and 75% of his payroll it would save us 10M plus Chipper gone 14M and not picking McCanns option 12M and not picking Hudsons option 9M then non tender JJ 5M would add up to $50million, should be enough to sign Hamilton and Wright if available, if not some other outfielder and 3rd baseman.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
10:38 am

I do believe FW has made some bad pick ups trying to fill the most glaring needs. He has gotten what was available, within the budget he was allotted. The inability of the management to get the same production out of players in Atlanta as they have elsewhere I think is the bigger key.

*Lowe* Vet pitcher with a WAR around +4 until he became a brave
*Uggla* Right handed bat .270avg 30hr 100 rbi average over 5 seasons? Yeah horrible pick up /sarcasms off
*McLouth* had a good season with 26HR and 21 the next year with 260ish averages? Puts on a braves uniform and hits 180 with a fraction of the power.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:39 am

Humboldt Harry

I didnt forget, he won’t be availble until probably august and by then one of the other starters I mentioned will probably be down.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:42 am

I forgot that another $10million comes off the books from D.Lowe.

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
10:43 am

Those of you wanting to get rid of Uggla are idiots.

How about this, play GM for a minute and go find an available 2nd baseman that has the proven ability to hit 30+HR and sustain a 270 batting average.

I agree Uggla should have been benched weeks ago. But he has hit safely in 10 of his last 11 games started. Still hustles (which Michael Bourn didn’t even run out 2 infield ground balls last night) and even not hitting still has a presence in the line up that pitchers notice.

Jay Dubu

September 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Braves need to get the bats corrected…else their post season will last all of one game.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
10:46 am

Semper Fi Braves Fan

I won’t call you an idiot but I think your dead wrong!

Felix

September 12th, 2012
10:55 am

We didn’t really need a second baseman at the time we got Uggla. Prado was doing great. We had other needs that seemed much more pressing- and then for some reason we rushed to overpay Uggla after acquiring him.

bruce mac

September 12th, 2012
10:55 am

I have said all year (even when all of you were in heat over him) that Borne is not the answer and is not worth any part of the $12 Million a year that he will be asking for. I can’t wait to see someone at the top of the line up that knows his role and fulfills it. Borne is an all or nothing hitter and he pouts all the time. Good riddance and take your over blown primadona agent with you. Is there a National League record for strike outs by a supposed lead off man? Can we get Uggla to go with him?

Rick C

September 12th, 2012
10:58 am

Ralph,

Your lineup has two LFs and no RF. I sincerely doubt they will put Heyward in CF. And Hudson’s option will definitely be picked up.

Also I believe the WC playoff is part of the playoffs. That’s why it’s a WC playoff game, not a play in game. Any play in games would be the day after the season ends.

Barbara

September 12th, 2012
10:59 am

Watch out Phillies are on the move. Fredi there is no excuse for leaving Hudson in after two were on. You act s if you have nothing in the pen. By the way did you happen to hear our own announcers state that the Brewers were very successful using small ball!!!!! Duh do you even know what that is???? Overbay hasn’t helped us since he at all. Did some other team give him to us?? Chipper if you are helping with the hitting coach they sure need a lot more work. Letting under 500 clubs beat us is unacceptable. The biggest change for next year is get a new manager

alex

September 12th, 2012
11:03 am

@semper and joey, look at uggla’s stats, not mean ,the median :he had a coupla good years of average, the others are 240-250,mu statment is NOT in hindsight , I stated I would not havepaid 12 million for his talent(?) anyway,hopefully he is gone!

Agree, hopw we do not resign Bourne

Rick C

September 12th, 2012
11:03 am

Felix, no but they needed a power hitting RH bat. Obviously it hasn’t worked out, but most people don’t’ expect players who have put up pretty consistent numbers for five years to suddenly fall short.

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
11:06 am

Its Bitching time everyday for a different Brave player..Today its BOURN, yesterday it was MaCann, the day before it was Uggla, etc,etc,etc, stfu and pull for your team. Bitching only causes hate and nothing good comes from it. Bitch Bitch…
Bourn will be ok..you’ll see.
Go Braves!

Good Grief Charlie Brown

September 12th, 2012
11:09 am

@Yogi Berra: ‘it ain’t over till it’s over’? (this season)

or how about ‘it’s deja vu all over again’? (this Sept vs. last Sept)

Arizona Brave

September 12th, 2012
11:11 am

Have to go back to the line up that was winning. Sit Uggla, McCann and maybe Bourn. Play Costanza,Johnson and Ross.

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
11:15 am

If Braves don’t make it this year…well all hell will break loose in braves management Dept..and a few players will be gone. Thats the business of the game.
Charlie Brown I understand.

htownbravesfan

September 12th, 2012
11:16 am

Ralph, are you talking about Josh Hamilton in next year’s lineup? If so, maybe we should have random drug testing to be eligible to post on this site. Getting back to reality, even when we were beating the Rockies and Mets, we still weren’t scoring. I hope the bats haven’t flown south for the winter. On the bright side, we can’t score less runs than last night, and the Cards, Dodgers, and Bucs don’t seem to want to get into the playoffs, so I think we’ll still make the one game playoff, even if we do back into it. As far as Bourn goes, I’ll be curious to see just how much he gets as a free agent. His second half has been horrible, and he’s a strikeout and pop out machine.

reckingball

September 12th, 2012
11:16 am

The Braves just need to play .500 ball for the next 7 or 8 games,
give some of the starting lineup a couple days rest,
then wake up the lumber, go on a tear,
and win the whole shooting match(as in the 2012 World Series).
It could happen.
go braves

Yogi Berra

September 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Hope u right reckingball…

Tumbledown

September 12th, 2012
11:30 am

reckingball – I already have called out posters who offer reasonable and objective opinions on the Braves. Now, you should know better and not be so positive about the Braves chances. The sky is falling, and the Braves are doomed!. The masses have spoken. Fredi is the worst manager of all time. Uggla should be run out of town. The offense has left the building. The Braves collapse of 2012 is imminent!!

Semper Fi Braves Fan

September 12th, 2012
11:49 am

Fredi is the 2nd worst manager in Baseball, the worst is in Boston. As for the collapse of 2012, I for one don’t want to see it and hope the Braves pull some magic out.

I do think the Braves make it to the 1 game play off. I could even see them winning that game. However, I don’t see them getting past Washington who has pounded us for years, even when they sucked.

Ralph

September 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

I just checked the list of free agent 3rd basemen after this seas is over, other than David Wright and the Mets hold an option on him, there is nothing worth having, I also checked for potential 3B trade prospects and there is nothing there either that would be better than Prado or Franscisco so unless the Mets decided not to pick up Wright’s option it looks most likely that Chipper’s replacement will be eithe Prado or Fransisco. Actually Franscisco has more potential than any of the avialable free agents.

BravesfaninWis

September 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

If this team makes the playoffs, and that is a colossal sized if, they will be bounced from the playoffs immediately. This late in the season and they can’t even beat the f’n Brewers. They always look like complete crap when they should be playing their best baseball. I have absolutely no faith in this team anymore. The only thing this team has proved in recent times is that they choke massively under pressure.

jim

September 12th, 2012
12:32 pm

If the Braves survive the season and the 1 game play-in, wouldn’t they face the Reds in the next round (assuming they have the best or 2nd best record at season’s end)? Does it still work that the Wild Card team does not face the team from its own division?

jim

September 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

BravesFan in Wis

Have you not noticed that at this point in the season, the Brewers are one of the hottest teams in MLB? The Brewers, Padres, and Phillies may have been below 500 teams at the end of August, but they are the hottest teams in the NL (along with Wash and Cin) right now. Brewers have won 9 straight home games, and something like 15 of last 21. What is discouraging is the lack of offense against a mediocre and right-handed pitching staff.

Dum-Bass

September 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

FG keeps playing the same type games, the same type managing, and expecting better results. That’s very close to the definition of “stupidity”. If anyone ever said try some “small ball” around him to manufacture some runs, and get a rally started, they would have to explain “small ball” to him. He has obviously never heard of it. So, so, ignorant of what it takes to win ball games.

jim

September 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

Except for the 3 games left with the Braves, it is time for us to become big Nats rooters with 6 games left with Philly and 3 with Mil. Realistically it is preferable to play the Cards, Dodgers or Pirates in the WC than the Phillies.

Dum-Bass

September 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

Something I ran across this AM that seems very fitting for FG and the Braves. It’s called “The 50-50-90 Rule”, but let’s change it to “The Fredi G Rule”. Seems more appropriate.
“Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there’s a 90% probability you will get it wrong!”

jim

September 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

Dum-Bass,

The Braves have had neither the recent opportunities to play small ball nor the personnel to play it. With Bourn not getting on base with any consistency (and neither Constanza in limited opportunity) the opportunity to play small ball is greatly diminished. Players like Jones, Freeman, McCann, Uggla, and Francisco are not suited for playing small ball either on the bases or at bat. Simmons hits 8th and when he reaches with less than 2-outs the pitcher will bunt — small ball or just standard procedure? He might be somebody to play hit and run with when batting, but with McCann or Freeman running? The players able to play small ball are confined to the top 3 in the order, but Bourn is slumping. The one complaint I’ve had with Fredi all year is that he does not play hit-and-run with Bourn on first and Prado hitting — seems like an ideal duo, but rarely is hit and run called.

In order to play small-ball, you first need base runners — the right ones — but we have not had enough of these lately.

Tumbledown

September 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

jim -Do we know for a fact that Fredi rarely calls for a hit and run, or have their been instances where the hit and run is called but the players fail to execute (batter swings and misses, etc.)? What do you see as legitimate gripes about Fredi. I have a hard time reading past all of the hyperbole of posters to understand the legitimate gripes.

jim

September 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

In the game Monday night we had Heyward caught attmpting to steal and Prado thrown out twice trying to take an extra base on a hit. Would this aggressive approach be classified as playing small-ball?

Tumbledown

September 12th, 2012
1:19 pm

there instead of their

Rick C

September 12th, 2012
1:25 pm

jim, no the WC team can play their division’s winner. As of now, Braves would play the Nats if they win the WC game.

jim

September 12th, 2012
1:32 pm

Tumbledown,

I’m not griping about Fredi, just wishing he would hit and run with Prado and Bourn more frequently. Lately the question is moot with Bourn not getting on with any regularity, but earlier in the season there were multiple times when Bourn led of the game with a hit or walk and stayed on first only to have Prado hit into a DP. Fredi is more likely to use the bunt (as he did the other day in NY) to advance Bourn than a straight steal or hit-and-run. I don’t recall Prado and Bourn playing hbit and run at all this year even though they seem ideally suited (and Baseball America ranks Prado the 2nd bets hit-and-run man in the league with scant evidence to back it up).

I think Fredi has done a decent job managing the games this past week, and do not blame the last two losees on him. Too many bloggers are frustrated by the lack of hitting and are looking for some patsie to blame it on. The team is not constructed to play small ball except for some limited opportunities that have not presented themselves very much over the recent span of games.

jc_dawgs

September 12th, 2012
1:35 pm

6 1/2 game lead right now for the 2nd wild card. With 19 games left…surely the Braves wont blow at least getting the 2nd WC play-in….right?

jim

September 12th, 2012
1:36 pm

Thanks Rick,
Pick your poison — right now the Reds might be the most complete team in the league, and we had no success playing them this year either.

cornjolio

September 12th, 2012
1:43 pm

Giving Frank Wren a lot of money to spend is frightening considering he gave us Lowe, Kawakami, McLouth & Uggla in recent years.

New GM needed !

Tumbledown

September 12th, 2012
1:53 pm

I am sure legitimate gripes exist with Fredi, as with any manager. Nobody is perfect. It seems to me like he has improved from last season and has a better feel for the game. Nevertheless, it comes down to player execution. Pitchers gotta make the pitches, hitters gotta move runners along and timely get them to the plate.

Every now and then, some player has to come up with something a bit extraordinary in order to win titles or playoff series. And, while some will never admit this, sometimes a team’s best just falls short as another team is just better or outperforms you. In other words, can anyone cut Fredi a little slack?

Same Ole negative dumbazz comments

September 12th, 2012
2:35 pm

BraveFaninWis @12:13,,,,,,,,,Good to see you on the blog.
You are always making these brilliant observations.

Same Ole, negatives dumbazz comments

September 12th, 2012
2:37 pm

You’re a genius.

Same Ole, negative dumbazz comments

September 12th, 2012
2:38 pm

A legend in your own mind

paul in richmond

September 12th, 2012
3:09 pm

We need something to bring this group together. They lack passion. Energy.

I would give my lunch money for a bench-clearing brawl. Or even a manager or player thrown out of the game. Hey – do we have a female owner who can go into the locker room and mock them?

Tumbledown

September 12th, 2012
3:28 pm

In the past, the Braves have rallied around such events as: (1) a pitcher, Pasqual Perez, getting lost on I-285 (1982 season); and (2) the ballpark catching on fire (1993, although the acquisition of Fred McGriff probably had more to do with the Braves resurgence that year). I am not sure what to suggest that would equate with those past events.

smallmouth6

September 12th, 2012
5:52 pm

The Braves win when our leadoff guy is good. And, when we play Constanza.

Backdoor Slider

September 13th, 2012
6:44 am

FREDI’S MANAGING

Fredi has managed the Braves right OUT of virtually any chance now to win the division, as the National’s lead is ever increasing.

Will Fredi again manage the Braves OUT of even a rather unattractive one game elimination wild card berth?

Perhaps.

But one thing is sure: After these last three Braves and Cardinals losses, there are certainly several more teams now IN contention for potential wild card spots — including the Brewers, the Phillies and the Diamondbacks.

And Fredi’s sweating bullets — knowing that his job is assuredly on the line.

For if the Braves are OUT, then Fredi’s probably OUT.

To the relief of most fans.

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